Zelensky has said 4.5 million households in Ukraine now without power in nightly address
What are your bosses trying to achieve by doing that?
This one isn't even entertaining. What happened to the last pet, DJ41 or something, is he still going or got the banhammer? That one at least could be amusing, this one is boring.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I know you had a real issues with schools and maybe it is a case of me not having to interact as much with these sorts of organisations. I think we have always had the 'jobs worth' stuff in public bodies and because we have moved on with stuff like gender identity it then becomes an issue where you get nonsense stuff and it needs calling out as nonsense. I don't think it is new, but a case of the new topic that get over interpreted by idiots. It is the same idiots who when viewing the footage from a traffic camera see a car pulling into a bus lane to let an ambulance by, but still gives the car a ticket rather than using common sense.
I know that doesn't help if you are having issues with schools though and I had a similar case of nonsense with one of my children re schooling. Luckily I sorted it out. I had to appeal a decision and won and could not believe how incompetent the authorities were.
’More than 138,000 properties in England and Wales owned by offshore companies’ - Research shared with the Guardian also shows offshore holdings in London are worth a combined £55bn
Under new rules, overseas entities that own UK property must register with Companies House and provide details of their true beneficial owners by 31 January 2023. However, only a handful more than 1,000 had declared their true owners by the end of September according to a review by moneylaundering.com.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
’More than 138,000 properties in England and Wales owned by offshore companies’ - Research shared with the Guardian also shows offshore holdings in London are worth a combined £55bn
Under new rules, overseas entities that own UK property must register with Companies House and provide details of their true beneficial owners by 31 January 2023. However, only a handful more than 1,000 had declared their true owners by the end of September according to a review by moneylaundering.com.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
IS a bad man?
Anyway, what do you think about the way Stalin is portrayed in Russian schools?
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
I am not sure that Martin10 has any first hand experience of the British education system.
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
Just yesterday we had someone here praising a TA for spending hours making "pronoun badges" for the staff.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
'The left are obsessed with women with penises and pulling down statchoos!!!'
'I'm not obsessed with women with penises and pulling down statchoos.'
'There you go, talking about women with penises and pulling down statchoos again!!!'
I feel my use of exclamation marks is consistent with the types that are always banging on about women with penises and pulling down statchoos.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Ha ha ha that is total bollocks by the way.
Yes, but we need to know, is it male bollocks, or female bollocks?
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
My only issue with our primary school is that it has had a £1000 per pupil real terms funding cut. It's hardly surprising that people are trying to come up with other things to distract parents with.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Only 7% had a negative view of Churchill in the recent Policy Exchange poll, the young may not be as proud of Churchill as the old but that does not mean they are very negative to him either
Zelensky has said 4.5 million households in Ukraine now without power in nightly address
What are your bosses trying to achieve by doing that?
Its getting cold in ukraine now...not nice to be without power....reason why people like kissinger are calling for negotiations
Lol, the negotiations are quite simple.
When will the Russian army leave Ukraine, 1991 border, how much will be the reparations, and how many more years of international sanctions against Russia should be their punishment?
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Only 7% had a negative view of Churchill in the recent Policy Exchange poll, the young may not be as proud of Churchill as the old but that does not mean they are very negative to him either
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
Wouldn't be great if the world's problems came down to not being given enough notice to find a wooden spoon.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
IS a bad man?
Anyway, what do you think about the way Stalin is portrayed in Russian schools?
This is how Soviet leaders should be portrayed. (Also perhaps the ideal Xmas present for @Dura_Ace )
Zelensky has said 4.5 million households in Ukraine now without power in nightly address
What are your bosses trying to achieve by doing that?
Its getting cold in ukraine now...not nice to be without power....reason why people like kissinger are calling for negotiations
Lol, the negotiations are quite simple.
When will the Russian army leave Ukraine, 1991 border, how much will be the reparations, and how many more years of international sanctions against Russia should be their punishment?
Or slightly more precisely, "When will what's left of the Russian army leave Ukraine..."
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Plastic only I'm afraid, and all the shops I went to were sold out of wooden ones (possibly due to demand by other parents from the same school).
Eventually was given a couple of teaspoon style wooden spoons by someone friendly at a local Booths supermarket that they give away with their hot food nowadays. Not what I had in mind when I got the email, I was thinking baking style, but the teacher seemed OK with it.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Yes this is my experience. The "extreme woke" positions that are undoubtedly popular among the young are self and peer motivated, rather than coming from schools. And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
We too have a multitude of wooden spoons.
Peek Middle Class Yogurt Knitting -
Go to a course on wooden spoon making at Barn The Spoon on Hackney Road in London.
For £175 you can learn how to whittle your own spoons.
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....
The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
Just yesterday we had someone here praising a TA for spending hours making "pronoun badges" for the staff.
Um that was more arguing that you may be surprised what side of the argument people may join - the example was just an example of 2 people few would believe were on the “woke side” actually being on that side
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Yes this is my experience. The "extreme woke" positions that are undoubtedly popular among the young are self and peer motivated, rather than coming from schools. And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
If this were how it has always been then social trends would only ever go in one direction, which is not the case.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
All part of the conspiracy, Bart. Your local nimbys bought those spoons, egged on by Gordon Brown.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Russia also tried to pioneer a new form of information warfare.... but it fell down because they couldn't get the staff....
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Plastic only I'm afraid, and all the shops I went to were sold out of wooden ones (possibly due to demand by other parents from the same school).
Eventually was given a couple of teaspoon style wooden spoons by someone friendly at a local Booths supermarket that they give away with their hot food nowadays. Not what I had in mind when I got the email, I was thinking baking style, but the teacher seemed OK with it.
I'm astonished. Anyone else on here have a kitchen but no wooden spoons? It was basically the second item I acquired after an all-purpose knife. (Though on my recent holiday in Scotland the lodge came without a wooden spoon, and I was equally astonished - especially given it was in Scotland.) My issue with plastic spoons (or teflon) is that they tend to melt when you leave them in the pan for too long. Anyway. Pleased you managed to solve the problem adequately.
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....
The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Whilst you are here SovBot, would you like to field a question on where Russia sees the Polish-Ukraine relationship these days? Do you think they really are that lovey dovey in 21st century, or the peoples still hate each other?
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Russia also tried to pioneer a new form of information warfare.... but it fell down because they couldn't get the staff....
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....
The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
Agreed. Added.
• Heavy lifting • Colour me … • IANAE/IANAL • Feature, not a bug • Ad hom • This • It’s a view • North of • As I’ve said passim • One of those irregular verbs • Late of this parish • Nail. Head. • Unspoofable • …. (four dot ellipsis)
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Whilst you are here SovBot, would you like to field a question on where Russia sees the Polish-Ukraine relationship these days? Do you think they really are that lovey dovey in 21st century, or the peoples still hate each other?
A secondary question if I may. In early days of Putin’s failed invasion of Ukraine in 2022, some of the early tanks crossing the border were sporting old Soviet Union flags - in your opinion why were they doing that?
Thought for the day. It’s good Chief Whip offers “pastoral care” to backbenchers, as well as thumb screws.
Have we heard from Oldie since he signed off for an operation?
In the old days, it was called "man management". Look after the troops, and they'll look after you. Save the hardcore blackmail for when it's really needed.
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....
The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
Semi relevantly here's a snippet from a broker's email this morning
"Turns out that since 1948, when there’s a Democrat in the White House and Republicans take control of Congress, it’s resulted in annualized returns for the S&P 500 of 16.9% (according to data from Edelman Financial Engines)."
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
I had not considered that approach! I may try it - though I worry the sauce would dribble back down the spoon to the handle.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
I had not considered that approach! I may try it - though I worry the sauce would dribble back down the spoon to the handle.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
More pertinently, what's the secret? How on earth do you manage to keep your cooker so clean?
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
Honestly I don't think I've ever seen an actual human being do what's pictured in the photo in real life, except for pans designed for it.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Whilst you are here SovBot, would you like to field a question on where Russia sees the Polish-Ukraine relationship these days? Do you think they really are that lovey dovey in 21st century, or the peoples still hate each other?
A secondary question if I may. In early days of Putin’s failed invasion of Ukraine in 2022, some of the early tanks crossing the border were sporting old Soviet Union flags - in your opinion why were they doing that?
Fond memories of a crushingly successful miltary campaign? As far as I can tell remembering the Great Patriotic War verges on a religion in Russia overcoming ideology and politics, therefore its symbols are important. Dura Ace may be able to comment with more authority.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Whilst you are here SovBot, would you like to field a question on where Russia sees the Polish-Ukraine relationship these days? Do you think they really are that lovey dovey in 21st century, or the peoples still hate each other?
A secondary question if I may. In early days of Putin’s failed invasion of Ukraine in 2022, some of the early tanks crossing the border were sporting old Soviet Union flags - in your opinion why were they doing that?
Fond memories of a crushingly successful miltary campaign? As far as I can tell remembering the Great Patriotic War verges on a religion in Russia, overcoming ideology and politics, therefore its symbols are important. Dura Ace may be able to comment with more authority.
How very different from the home life of our own dear country.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
More pertinently, what's the secret? How on earth do you manage to keep your cooker so clean?
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.
So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.
So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
Yesterday Ed Miliband, on behalf of labour, told us we should be paying climate ‘reparations’. Now it looks like the Tories are happy to sign up to this too.
At a time of oncoming austerity, tax rises and declining living standards where Will this come from ? I cannot see this being anything other than electoral poison.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Yes this is my experience. The "extreme woke" positions that are undoubtedly popular among the young are self and peer motivated, rather than coming from schools. And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
If this were how it has always been then social trends would only ever go in one direction, which is not the case.
I'm not making any claims about this as a universal phenomenon but on most social questions (eg racial and sexual equality, sexual identity) the trend in this country has been fairly monotonic since the turn of the last century at least, hasn't it?
Yesterday Ed Miliband, on behalf of labour, told us we should be paying climate ‘reparations’. Now it looks like the Tories are happy to sign up to this too.
At a time of oncoming austerity, tax rises and declining living standards where Will this come from ? I cannot see this being anything other than electoral poison.
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....
The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
Agreed. Added.
• Heavy lifting • Colour me … • IANAE/IANAL • Feature, not a bug • Ad hom • This • It’s a view • North of • As I’ve said passim • One of those irregular verbs • Late of this parish • Nail. Head. • Unspoofable • …. (four dot ellipsis)
That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one?
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
Yesterday Ed Miliband, on behalf of labour, told us we should be paying climate ‘reparations’. Now it looks like the Tories are happy to sign up to this too.
At a time of oncoming austerity, tax rises and declining living standards where Will this come from ? I cannot see this being anything other than electoral poison.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Yes this is my experience. The "extreme woke" positions that are undoubtedly popular among the young are self and peer motivated, rather than coming from schools. And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
If this were how it has always been then social trends would only ever go in one direction, which is not the case.
I'm not making any claims about this as a universal phenomenon but on most social questions (eg racial and sexual equality, sexual identity) the trend in this country has been fairly monotonic since the turn of the last century at least, hasn't it?
No, that's survivor bias.
Evolution provides both good and bad mutations. The bad ones tend to wither and die, the good ones survive. Over time if you look at what's changed you see the good mutations that made it, you don't see all the bad ones that withered and fell by the wayside.
Societal evolution follows the same process.
It's great that racial equality, women's liberation and gay rights have happened since the turn of the last century.
But the less said about failed then-"progressive" ideas like PIE or eugenics, the better.
Until hindsight it's not possible to know if new ideas are this generations women's liberation, or eugenics.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
The discussion was @Cookie's dilemma of putting the spoon in the pan itself.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.
So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Whilst you are here SovBot, would you like to field a question on where Russia sees the Polish-Ukraine relationship these days? Do you think they really are that lovey dovey in 21st century, or the peoples still hate each other?
I really don't think Martin10 is a robot. Robots can use apostrophes.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Yes this is my experience. The "extreme woke" positions that are undoubtedly popular among the young are self and peer motivated, rather than coming from schools. And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
If this were how it has always been then social trends would only ever go in one direction, which is not the case.
I'm not making any claims about this as a universal phenomenon but on most social questions (eg racial and sexual equality, sexual identity) the trend in this country has been fairly monotonic since the turn of the last century at least, hasn't it?
No, that's survivor bias.
Evolution provides both good and bad mutations. The bad ones tend to wither and die, the good ones survive. Over time if you look at what's changed you see the good mutations that made it, you don't see all the bad ones that withered and fell by the wayside.
Societal evolution follows the same process.
It's great that racial equality, women's liberation and gay rights have happened since the turn of the last century.
But the less said about failed then-"progressive" ideas like PIE or eugenics, the better.
Until hindsight it's not possible to know if new ideas are this generations women's liberation, or eugenics.
I agree with you, I don't think what I said and what you said are inconsistent. I'm sure there is a mixture of good and bad in the "woke" views of the young. Some of it seems a bit loopy to me, but then I am approaching 50.
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....
The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
Agreed. Added.
• Heavy lifting • Colour me … • IANAE/IANAL • Feature, not a bug • Ad hom • This • It’s a view • North of • As I’ve said passim • One of those irregular verbs • Late of this parish • Nail. Head. • Unspoofable • …. (four dot ellipsis)
That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one?
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
Yesterday Ed Miliband, on behalf of labour, told us we should be paying climate ‘reparations’. Now it looks like the Tories are happy to sign up to this too.
At a time of oncoming austerity, tax rises and declining living standards where Will this come from ? I cannot see this being anything other than electoral poison.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
The discussion was @Cookie's dilemma of putting the spoon in the pan itself.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
The discussion was Cookie's dilemma of putting the spoon in the pan itself.
Indeed. You can use the hole for this, but as turbotubbs pointed out, it's not what it was designed for, it's just a useful bonus.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Yes this is my experience. The "extreme woke" positions that are undoubtedly popular among the young are self and peer motivated, rather than coming from schools. And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
If this were how it has always been then social trends would only ever go in one direction, which is not the case.
I'm not making any claims about this as a universal phenomenon but on most social questions (eg racial and sexual equality, sexual identity) the trend in this country has been fairly monotonic since the turn of the last century at least, hasn't it?
No, that's survivor bias.
Evolution provides both good and bad mutations. The bad ones tend to wither and die, the good ones survive. Over time if you look at what's changed you see the good mutations that made it, you don't see all the bad ones that withered and fell by the wayside.
Societal evolution follows the same process.
It's great that racial equality, women's liberation and gay rights have happened since the turn of the last century.
But the less said about failed then-"progressive" ideas like PIE or eugenics, the better.
Until hindsight it's not possible to know if new ideas are this generations women's liberation, or eugenics.
I agree with you, I don't think what I said and what you said are inconsistent. I'm sure there is a mixture of good and bad in the "woke" views of the young. Some of it seems a bit loopy to me, but then I am approaching 50.
Indeed. But the fact that once very progressive people like Marie Stopes have now been "cancelled", hence her Institute now renaming itself to MSI, shows how far from monotonic the trend has been.
Which is a good thing. If people never over-reached we'd never get far enough, and we shouldn't be afraid to admit something we once thought was a good idea was not in hindsight.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
Russia is pioneering a new type of economy. The one where all the smart young wealth creators, managers, inventors, administrators have all left Russia. The world will watch this experiment in the same way it watched Pol Pot and his Year Zero approach.
Spoiler: in 5 years time, Russia will be a hollowed out husk of the country it was before it invaded Ukraine. Its hydrocarbons industry will be patched up, leaking, lacking investment, lacking basic western technologies, its products bought at discounts from those who will gouge the prices.
And still the remaining thick drunkards in Moscow and St. Petersburg will blame NATO.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
The discussion was @Cookie's dilemma of putting the spoon in the pan itself.
Yesterday Ed Miliband, on behalf of labour, told us we should be paying climate ‘reparations’. Now it looks like the Tories are happy to sign up to this too.
At a time of oncoming austerity, tax rises and declining living standards where Will this come from ? I cannot see this being anything other than electoral poison.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
True the schools bombard kids with woke propaganda...most now think churchill is a bad man...people have a right to be angry about this....
Do they? Genuine question. My children weren't taught that, although they have been out of school for a few years now.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
It's not schools - at least not mainly - it's social media. My daughters are massively influenced by it and when an issue comes up in conversation I have to gently pick apart their views with logic. Not sure it does any good.
Yes this is my experience. The "extreme woke" positions that are undoubtedly popular among the young are self and peer motivated, rather than coming from schools. And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
If this were how it has always been then social trends would only ever go in one direction, which is not the case.
I'm not making any claims about this as a universal phenomenon but on most social questions (eg racial and sexual equality, sexual identity) the trend in this country has been fairly monotonic since the turn of the last century at least, hasn't it?
No, that's survivor bias.
Evolution provides both good and bad mutations. The bad ones tend to wither and die, the good ones survive. Over time if you look at what's changed you see the good mutations that made it, you don't see all the bad ones that withered and fell by the wayside.
Societal evolution follows the same process.
It's great that racial equality, women's liberation and gay rights have happened since the turn of the last century.
But the less said about failed then-"progressive" ideas like PIE or eugenics, the better.
Until hindsight it's not possible to know if new ideas are this generations women's liberation, or eugenics.
I agree with you, I don't think what I said and what you said are inconsistent. I'm sure there is a mixture of good and bad in the "woke" views of the young. Some of it seems a bit loopy to me, but then I am approaching 50.
The young really don't look at this in the way that all of us old folk on PB do.
20-30 yr olds take it as perfectly normal and part of what makes up society (ie different flavours of family, gender, sexual preferences, etc).
Under 20-yr olds openly laugh in your face if you try to describe people using one form of label or another as being in any way heterodox.
Yesterday Ed Miliband, on behalf of labour, told us we should be paying climate ‘reparations’. Now it looks like the Tories are happy to sign up to this too.
At a time of oncoming austerity, tax rises and declining living standards where Will this come from ? I cannot see this being anything other than electoral poison.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
The discussion was @Cookie's dilemma of putting the spoon in the pan itself.
Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way
It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.
So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
I prefer DJ41. He/she is much more sophisticated.
Presumably DJs 1-40 were hanged.
Posting on pb.com is the test of whether you are good enough to be unleashed on the wider Internets.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
Also, the horror of putting spaghetti into a too-small pan of water that isn't at a vigorous boil.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
Its a stupid internet meme that this was the reason for the hole in the handle, which it absolutely wasn't.
While we have a number of wooden spoons, we also have several hand-crafted artisan wooden stirring implements where the handle is beautifully shaped to match the contours of the hand. A delight to use, although they don't improve the flavour of the food.
The smallest of these is my 'go-to' porridge stirrer, as I do not possess a pukka spurtle.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
The discussion was @Cookie's dilemma of putting the spoon in the pan itself.
Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.
If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of things
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
The discussion was @Cookie's dilemma of putting the spoon in the pan itself.
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
That depends on what the meaning of the word "for" is.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
I see that Stop Oil have closed the M25 by scaling gantries.
Assuming they are of sound mind, why do we close the motorway? We don’t close it if there is someone on a bridge.
If they fall off, that’s at their own risk, and we deal with it then. If they drop something off we prosecute them. There’s not a meaningful risk to the drivers of cars.
I'm not sure you'd survive a 70kg body falling through your windscreen at 80mph.
Source: Wrote a minibus off hitting a deer near Ullapool.
Should hose teh idiots with ice cold water, and boot them up the arse when they crawl down
A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?
No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
I think it is a mix of both in a way.
a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke. b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues. What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.
I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan. This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Ever wondered what that hole was for?
Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
So does hanging up the pan...
Was not the point being discussed.
Its a stupid internet meme that this was the reason for the hole in the handle, which it absolutely wasn't.
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I know that doesn't help if you are having issues with schools though and I had a similar case of nonsense with one of my children re schooling. Luckily I sorted it out. I had to appeal a decision and won and could not believe how incompetent the authorities were.
- Research shared with the Guardian also shows offshore holdings in London are worth a combined £55bn
Under new rules, overseas entities that own UK property must register with Companies House and provide details of their true beneficial owners by 31 January 2023. However, only a handful more than 1,000 had declared their true owners by the end of September according to a review by moneylaundering.com.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/07/more-than-138000-properties-in-england-and-wales-owned-by-offshore-companies
Any entities that own a residential property should be subject to a very significant tax surcharge.
Or is it a case of an unbiased view. Rather than just a hero who led us through WW2 a rounded view including his failures.
My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.
Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
Anyway, what do you think about the way Stalin is portrayed in Russian schools?
'I'm not obsessed with women with penises and pulling down statchoos.'
'There you go, talking about women with penises and pulling down statchoos again!!!'
I feel my use of exclamation marks is consistent with the types that are always banging on about women with penises and pulling down statchoos.
It's hardly surprising that people are trying to come up with other things to distract parents with.
When will the Russian army leave Ukraine, 1991 border, how much will be the reparations, and how many more years of international sanctions against Russia should be their punishment?
(Also perhaps the ideal Xmas present for @Dura_Ace )
https://twitter.com/sovietvisuals/status/1554411182848557056
Have we heard from Oldie since he signed off for an operation?
This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
Eventually was given a couple of teaspoon style wooden spoons by someone friendly at a local Booths supermarket that they give away with their hot food nowadays. Not what I had in mind when I got the email, I was thinking baking style, but the teacher seemed OK with it.
And isn't this how it's always been? The younger generation take up views that their parents find incomprehensible, and eventually the received wisdom inches forwards in the direction of the young's views, while the young's own views mellow as they gain experience? Hence today's baby boomers rail against the "wokeness" of the young while holding views themselves that their own grandparents would find bafflingly liberal.
Go to a course on wooden spoon making at Barn The Spoon on Hackney Road in London.
For £175 you can learn how to whittle your own spoons.
My issue with plastic spoons (or teflon) is that they tend to melt when you leave them in the pan for too long.
Anyway. Pleased you managed to solve the problem adequately.
• Heavy lifting
• Colour me …
• IANAE/IANAL
• Feature, not a bug
• Ad hom
• This
• It’s a view
• North of
• As I’ve said passim
• One of those irregular verbs
• Late of this parish
• Nail. Head.
• Unspoofable
• …. (four dot ellipsis)
"Turns out that since 1948, when there’s a Democrat in the White House and Republicans take control of Congress, it’s resulted in annualized returns for the S&P 500 of 16.9% (according to data from Edelman Financial Engines)."
FYB, DYOR etc.
As far as I can tell remembering the Great Patriotic War verges on a religion in Russia overcoming ideology and politics, therefore its symbols are important. Dura Ace may be able to comment with more authority.
So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
I can't seem to find who Manchester United drew? 😇
At a time of oncoming austerity, tax rises and declining living standards where Will this come from ? I cannot see this being anything other than electoral poison.
https://digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1149/reader/reader.html?#!preferred/0/package/1149/pub/1149/page/2/article/NaN
Evolution provides both good and bad mutations. The bad ones tend to wither and die, the good ones survive. Over time if you look at what's changed you see the good mutations that made it, you don't see all the bad ones that withered and fell by the wayside.
Societal evolution follows the same process.
It's great that racial equality, women's liberation and gay rights have happened since the turn of the last century.
But the less said about failed then-"progressive" ideas like PIE or eugenics, the better.
Until hindsight it's not possible to know if new ideas are this generations women's liberation, or eugenics.
The hole is designed for hanging up the pan, but can also be used for putting a wooden spoon in.
Seems that it would take up a lot of space and be quite unsightly.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Angoily-Stainless-Silicone-Flexible-Accessories/dp/B09LHWMD3F/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=spoon+holder+for+pot&qid=1667821384&sprefix=spoon+holder,aps,100&sr=8-5
Which is a good thing. If people never over-reached we'd never get far enough, and we shouldn't be afraid to admit something we once thought was a good idea was not in hindsight.
Spoiler: in 5 years time, Russia will be a hollowed out husk of the country it was before it invaded Ukraine. Its hydrocarbons industry will be patched up, leaking, lacking investment, lacking basic western technologies, its products bought at discounts from those who will gouge the prices.
And still the remaining thick drunkards in Moscow and St. Petersburg will blame NATO.
As long as the numbers aren't stupid.
20-30 yr olds take it as perfectly normal and part of what makes up society (ie different flavours of family, gender, sexual preferences, etc).
Under 20-yr olds openly laugh in your face if you try to describe people using one form of label or another as being in any way heterodox.
Also if all parties offer similar policies where is the incentive to vote.
I also expect there to be quite a bit of argument over this, especially within the Tory party.
Cannot see it surviving as it is with the Tories.
It is a cruel and unusual training regime.
The smallest of these is my 'go-to' porridge stirrer, as I do not possess a pukka spurtle.
*one for @Anabobazina's list.