Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
When pricing in the chance of a Tory defection, account needs to be taken of Labour's parliamentary selection process. About 35 seats have been selected so far, but a quite a few more have already started the selection process which will need to take its course now. Including those, the total is about 50. These are all seats which Labour regards as winnable from the Tories.
It's hard to see circumstances where a sitting Tory could be gifted their seat where the selection to replace them had been settled or were underway. That does reduce the odds of a further defection somewhat. However, it also means that with a selection process looming, in the remaining seats some Tory MPs might think it's now or never, so of those that are still able to defect, they might come to the conclusion that they had better hurry up and do so in the next couple of months.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
I doubt you could have read a single post of mine if you think I'm after genteel. I just don't know what the rules are here.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
If you defect from the Conservatives to Labour questions have to be asked why you ever joined the Tories in the first place, let alone became a candidate. You could just about understand a Conservative MP defecting to the LDs or RefUK but going to Labour just means they are careerists with no ideology beyond what furthers their career.
Same would apply to a Labour candidate defecting to the Conservatives
Not necessarily. What about Rosie Duffield who has a major issue with Labour's gender politics, or Graham Stringer who is as close to the definition of a RedWall Tory as one could get?
Let's talk about Lee Anderson. A lifelong Labour activist supporting Gloria Del Piero until his defection to the Tories in 2018 and victory in 2019, and now one of Boris Johnson's most loyal lapdogs (yourself not withstanding).
Rose Duffield is a social democrat even if she does not always agree with Labour gender politics.
Lee Anderson was always ideologically a Conservative, he joined Labour because it was the best way to get ahead in Ashfield. Once the Tories looked like they could win it under Boris he swiftly defected
Personally, I can't see how someone can support parties all the way through, even though they range from the Europhile One Nations in one government to the Hard Brexiteers the next, the Clause 28-ers then become the ones to allow gay marriage etc etc. Same with Labour. Voting with a party, even though that party and it's core policies are radically different, seems crazy to me. As a floating voter, I vote for whoever seems best (at a tactical voting level). Quite obviously that's not the Tories now. It's a government, not a football team.
Yes but you are a floating voter. If you are an ideological Conservative then you cannot consistently then join the Labour Party, same as if you are an ideological Socialist/Social Democrat you cannot then consistently join the Conservative Party
Let's take my old MP, Peter Temple-Morris, Conservative MP for Leominster for decades and the son of a Conservative MP. He crossed the floor, first to Independent then to Labour. Blair made him a Life Peer and he finished his days writing papers for Labour under Corbyn's Leadership.
By the way he was a thoroughly decent man in every way. My late father knew him quite well.
In some ways also a careerist, he defected right at the nadir of the Major premiership and the heights of Blairism.
Let us say had Corbyn been leader 20 years earlier not Blair he would almost certainly not have defected
Not really. He could have hung on in Leominster as a Conservative until he fell off the perch, were he that cynical. Wasn't he replaced by the drear-fest that is Bill Wiggin?
I suspect you are right about Corbyn as leader, although he had a stronger constitution than me and stayed whereas I left on the advent of Magic Grandpa.
Temple-Morris also sounded superb. Like Patrick McNee (John Steed of the Avengers).
The differences between centrist Labour supporters and centrist One Nation Conservatives such as myself have never been that great. There is certainly a much bigger difference between Ken Clarke and Rees-Mogg than there is between the former and, say, Yvette Cooper
(Cue HYUFD claiming that his idol, the disgraced former PM and pathological liar, Boris Johnson was/is a One Nation Conservative - he isn't and never was.)
Erm….. Ken Clarke is a Thatcherite failure who caused strikes and service failings at every one of his Departments. He happens to have been pro-EU so gets though of as some sort of moderate when he was at the very bleeding edge of the Thatcherite vanguard.
Of course he is a million miles better than JRM, but so is almost anyone.
If you defect from the Conservatives to Labour questions have to be asked why you ever joined the Tories in the first place, let alone became a candidate. You could just about understand a Conservative MP defecting to the LDs or RefUK but going to Labour just means they are careerists with no ideology beyond what furthers their career.
Same would apply to a Labour candidate defecting to the Conservatives
Not necessarily. What about Rosie Duffield who has a major issue with Labour's gender politics, or Graham Stringer who is as close to the definition of a RedWall Tory as one could get?
Let's talk about Lee Anderson. A lifelong Labour activist supporting Gloria Del Piero until his defection to the Tories in 2018 and victory in 2019, and now one of Boris Johnson's most loyal lapdogs (yourself not withstanding).
Rose Duffield is a social democrat even if she does not always agree with Labour gender politics.
Lee Anderson was always ideologically a Conservative, he joined Labour because it was the best way to get ahead in Ashfield. Once the Tories looked like they could win it under Boris he swiftly defected
I look forward to Lee's return journey in that case.
Lee Anderson won't be returning, he's gone full on right-wing with the zeal of a convert.
Just read his wiki.
Afternoon all.
"Lee Anderson always ideologically a Conservative" doesn't quite ring true, given his background in pretty much the poorest area of a down-at-heel mining village. I can't say what turned him, if anything - but I might punt at his being 17-18 at college in 1984 when Scargill sent his hundreds of flying pickets into Nottinghamshire after a democratic vote was denied being part responsible for turning him to the more moderate wing of Labour - say the EETPU tradition from the late 80s/90s.
I tend not to listen to wiki entries for hate figures for the soft left such as Anderson - they tend to be lists of selected -ve points with a lot of stuff left out. There's plenty missing from that one. Might take a look at that to see if I can fix some details, however in that kind of piece Wiki normally migrates back to partisan content.
Such data isn’t exhaustive, but it’s verifiable fact.
I'd question whether Parliamentary votes are a strong indicator of personal views (and these are low numbers of votes) due to party lines and whipping, and auto-voting against motions from the opposite party from both sides. Though some of those are quite interesting (and one or two not what I would expect tbh):
>Consistently voted for raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices >Voted a mixture of for and against a reduction in spending on welfare benefits >Consistently voted against reducing the rate of corporation tax >Almost always voted against transferring more powers to the Senedd/Welsh Parliamen >Consistently voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK >Generally voted against strengthening the Military Covenant >Generally voted against more EU integration >Consistently voted against higher taxes on bank >Almost always voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules >Consistently voted for a stricter asylum system >Consistently voted against raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax
The Military Covenant one was a surpirse to me - its a biggish military area.
Clearly they have to be read in the context of party lines, and the extent or otherwise of whipping on particular votes, but they are are still a pretty decent way of getting an idea of where MPs you know nothing about sit on the spectrum.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
I doubt you could have read a single post of mine if you think I'm after genteel. I just don't know what the rules are here.
Just pretend you're trying to be MP for Morningside, or Kelvinside if you prefer. Though I don't know how you type SSE into a chat site.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It’s not just him. Other posters have been deservedly banned here but come back with a new username. Their forum their rules but it’s bizarre that abusive posters can simply get a new handle and come back and carry on like they never left. As obnoxious and abusive as before.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
I doubt you could have read a single post of mine if you think I'm after genteel. I just don't know what the rules are here.
I have read most of your posts indeed. They are not written in stone for sure , you post and take your chances.
If you defect from the Conservatives to Labour questions have to be asked why you ever joined the Tories in the first place, let alone became a candidate. You could just about understand a Conservative MP defecting to the LDs or RefUK but going to Labour just means they are careerists with no ideology beyond what furthers their career.
Same would apply to a Labour candidate defecting to the Conservatives
Not necessarily. What about Rosie Duffield who has a major issue with Labour's gender politics, or Graham Stringer who is as close to the definition of a RedWall Tory as one could get?
Let's talk about Lee Anderson. A lifelong Labour activist supporting Gloria Del Piero until his defection to the Tories in 2018 and victory in 2019, and now one of Boris Johnson's most loyal lapdogs (yourself not withstanding).
Rose Duffield is a social democrat even if she does not always agree with Labour gender politics.
Lee Anderson was always ideologically a Conservative, he joined Labour because it was the best way to get ahead in Ashfield. Once the Tories looked like they could win it under Boris he swiftly defected
Personally, I can't see how someone can support parties all the way through, even though they range from the Europhile One Nations in one government to the Hard Brexiteers the next, the Clause 28-ers then become the ones to allow gay marriage etc etc. Same with Labour. Voting with a party, even though that party and it's core policies are radically different, seems crazy to me. As a floating voter, I vote for whoever seems best (at a tactical voting level). Quite obviously that's not the Tories now. It's a government, not a football team.
Yes but you are a floating voter. If you are an ideological Conservative then you cannot consistently then join the Labour Party, same as if you are an ideological Socialist/Social Democrat you cannot then consistently join the Conservative Party
Let's take my old MP, Peter Temple-Morris, Conservative MP for Leominster for decades and the son of a Conservative MP. He crossed the floor, first to Independent then to Labour. Blair made him a Life Peer and he finished his days writing papers for Labour under Corbyn's Leadership.
By the way he was a thoroughly decent man in every way. My late father knew him quite well.
In some ways also a careerist, he defected right at the nadir of the 1990s Tories and the heights of Blairism.
Let us say had Corbyn been leader 20 years earlier not Blair he would almost certainly not have defected
Indeed. Those who go on a political ‘journey’ just so happen to always move to more popular positions/parties
TBF to Liz Truss she joined the Tories at their nadir in 1997. Okay, they were admittedly bigger than the LDs she left, but for a true careerist there was only one way to go in ‘97.
100% the Tories - always buy at the bottom. Higher risk, higher return
And may be she enjoyed Blair dominating the political landscape?
I see the the new CEO of Twitter has repeated the Pelosi rumour on Twitter.
Regulate that shit.
Out of interest, what is the Pelosi rumour? That the attack on her husband was staged I take it.
American politics - and media - are in such a state it is possible to believe any of the many versions of this story. From left or right. And it is impossible to know which is correct
That’s a grave place to be
Maybe a moment of reflection from you before posting arch "more to this than meets the eye" comments?
Come on it's Leon, he's going to repost any old far right transparently false tweets so long as they fit with his ugly prejudices.
The reflex naivety on here is absurd
A surprising level of self-awareness expressed in that post.
The position of the PB left seems to be: the American left never lies, the FBI never lies, social media never lies (except now it does because Elon has bought Twitter)
The more sophisticated analysis is that truth in American politics is increasingly hard to secure on all sides. And you can accept this even as you acknowledge that Trump really is a madman, january 6 really was an attempted coup, etc
There are, I think, two stories where that is somewhat true:
One is the Hunter Biden story.
Two is (to a lesser extent) the lab leak theory.
But I'm struggling with any others.
And in the former case, it was a case of junkie doing stupid thing. In the latter case, the 'conspiracy' consisted of people being sceptical of something.
It's rather a leap from that to the Pelosis hiring an actor to pretend for months to be MAGA supporting, QAnon believer, and then for him to break into the Pelosi household and attack Mr Pelosi with a hammer.
Said actor then being willing to go to jail for a couple of years is also pretty impressive.
From what I have read around the story, the man concerned is a drug addict and a sometime nudist, living a very ramshackle and somewhat sad and disjointed life. This seems like a sad story of crime and drug addiction in San Francisco to me, and the attempt to make it into a MAGA assassination attempt seems premature if not positively specious. You don't have to believe the theory that he was the man's gay lover to see that.
...who just happens to write a blog containing a load of references to MAGA and QAnon.
Who also happens to attend nude protests and have an extremely chequered relationship history, lives in a squat/bus/homeless commune, and is addicted to psychadellic drugs. Not the archetypal Trumpian, just seems drug-addled and mental.
Psychedelic, and there are no psychedelic drugs which are addictive.
I suspect he means “habitual user” rather than physically addicted
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It’s not just him. Other posters have been deservedly banned here but come back with a new username. Their forum their rules but it’s bizarre that abusive posters can simply get a new handle and come back and carry on like they never left. As obnoxious and abusive as before.
Rather like bankruptcy, though. If it's good enough for double glazing salesmen, it's good enough for PB folk who are mostly on a much higher moral plane. Presumably.
If you defect from the Conservatives to Labour questions have to be asked why you ever joined the Tories in the first place, let alone became a candidate. You could just about understand a Conservative MP defecting to the LDs or RefUK but going to Labour just means they are careerists with no ideology beyond what furthers their career.
Same would apply to a Labour candidate defecting to the Conservatives
Not necessarily. What about Rosie Duffield who has a major issue with Labour's gender politics, or Graham Stringer who is as close to the definition of a RedWall Tory as one could get?
Let's talk about Lee Anderson. A lifelong Labour activist supporting Gloria Del Piero until his defection to the Tories in 2018 and victory in 2019, and now one of Boris Johnson's most loyal lapdogs (yourself not withstanding).
Rose Duffield is a social democrat even if she does not always agree with Labour gender politics.
Lee Anderson was always ideologically a Conservative, he joined Labour because it was the best way to get ahead in Ashfield. Once the Tories looked like they could win it under Boris he swiftly defected
I look forward to Lee's return journey in that case.
Lee Anderson won't be returning, he's gone full on right-wing with the zeal of a convert.
Just read his wiki.
Afternoon all.
"Lee Anderson always ideologically a Conservative" doesn't quite ring true, given his background in pretty much the poorest area of a down-at-heel mining village. I can't say what turned him, if anything - but I might punt at his being 17-18 at college in 1984 when Scargill sent his hundreds of flying pickets into Nottinghamshire after a democratic vote was denied being part responsible for turning him to the more moderate wing of Labour - say the EETPU tradition from the late 80s/90s.
I tend not to listen to wiki entries for hate figures for the soft left such as Anderson - they tend to be lists of selected -ve points with a lot of stuff left out. There's plenty missing from that one. Might take a look at that to see if I can fix some details, however in that kind of piece Wiki normally migrates back to partisan content.
Such data isn’t exhaustive, but it’s verifiable fact.
I'd question whether Parliamentary votes are a strong indicator of personal views (and these are low numbers of votes) due to party lines and whipping, and auto-voting against motions from the opposite party from both sides. Though some of those are quite interesting (and one or two not what I would expect tbh):
>Consistently voted for raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices >Voted a mixture of for and against a reduction in spending on welfare benefits >Consistently voted against reducing the rate of corporation tax >Almost always voted against transferring more powers to the Senedd/Welsh Parliamen >Consistently voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK >Generally voted against strengthening the Military Covenant >Generally voted against more EU integration >Consistently voted against higher taxes on bank >Almost always voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules >Consistently voted for a stricter asylum system >Consistently voted against raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax
The Military Covenant one was a surprise to me - its a biggish military area.
Clearly they have to be read in the context of party lines, and the extent or otherwise of whipping on particular votes, but they are are still a pretty decent way of getting an idea of where MPs you know nothing about sit on the spectrum.
I tend to discount the records a little - as some of it is elephant traps, so we get "X voted against supporting Y, so s/he is a $%^%^&**" political adverts, when actually X was voting against Y as a govt / opposition motion on a govt / opposition day.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
@Leon is a gifted troll. He’s having fun and pushing the edges of the acceptable. Sometimes he transgresses and spends time in the sin bin.
But overall he helps keep the discourse on here from becoming too worthy
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
I’m surprised that the water behind a dyke was hot…
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
He did yes and i predict he will be back within a week despite him using the N word
As I say its not up to us we are mere guests and I say that as someone who has been attacked brutally by Sean on a couple of occasions
With Sean he sees it all as some huge post-modernist joke. The post he got banned for was a reply to me suggesting his Hitler themed screenshots the other month we’re not a wind up. For what it’s worth, they probably were, but his tiresome layering of irony and “satire” on ostensible reality means we’re all just part of his personal joke. So I decided to accept them as real. And it was, in a double dose of irony, his “ironic” use of the vilest word that got him banned.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
I’m surprised that the water behind a dyke was hot…
Or indeed water in a dyke. Very context dependent word.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
And in geological terms, and quite separatel Scotland and NE farming.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
@Leon is a gifted troll. He’s having fun and pushing the edges of the acceptable. Sometimes he transgresses and spends time in the sin bin.
But overall he helps keep the discourse on here from becoming too worthy
He is often witty and interesting.
Unfortunately, deep down, there is always a nasty little racist trying to get out.
If you defect from the Conservatives to Labour questions have to be asked why you ever joined the Tories in the first place, let alone became a candidate. You could just about understand a Conservative MP defecting to the LDs or RefUK but going to Labour just means they are careerists with no ideology beyond what furthers their career.
Same would apply to a Labour candidate defecting to the Conservatives
Not necessarily. What about Rosie Duffield who has a major issue with Labour's gender politics, or Graham Stringer who is as close to the definition of a RedWall Tory as one could get?
Let's talk about Lee Anderson. A lifelong Labour activist supporting Gloria Del Piero until his defection to the Tories in 2018 and victory in 2019, and now one of Boris Johnson's most loyal lapdogs (yourself not withstanding).
Rose Duffield is a social democrat even if she does not always agree with Labour gender politics.
Lee Anderson was always ideologically a Conservative, he joined Labour because it was the best way to get ahead in Ashfield. Once the Tories looked like they could win it under Boris he swiftly defected
Personally, I can't see how someone can support parties all the way through, even though they range from the Europhile One Nations in one government to the Hard Brexiteers the next, the Clause 28-ers then become the ones to allow gay marriage etc etc. Same with Labour. Voting with a party, even though that party and it's core policies are radically different, seems crazy to me. As a floating voter, I vote for whoever seems best (at a tactical voting level). Quite obviously that's not the Tories now. It's a government, not a football team.
Yes but you are a floating voter. If you are an ideological Conservative then you cannot consistently then join the Labour Party, same as if you are an ideological Socialist/Social Democrat you cannot then consistently join the Conservative Party
Let's take my old MP, Peter Temple-Morris, Conservative MP for Leominster for decades and the son of a Conservative MP. He crossed the floor, first to Independent then to Labour. Blair made him a Life Peer and he finished his days writing papers for Labour under Corbyn's Leadership.
By the way he was a thoroughly decent man in every way. My late father knew him quite well.
In some ways also a careerist, he defected right at the nadir of the 1990s Tories and the heights of Blairism.
Let us say had Corbyn been leader 20 years earlier not Blair he would almost certainly not have defected
Indeed. Those who go on a political ‘journey’ just so happen to always move to more popular positions/parties
TBF to Liz Truss she joined the Tories at their nadir in 1997. Okay, they were admittedly bigger than the LDs she left, but for a true careerist there was only one way to go in ‘97.
Blair was first elected on Foot's "longest suicide note in history" 1983. Just sayin'.
Cameron was also first elected in 2001 in Blair's landslide year, as was Boris.
In some respects better to get elected in opposition when your party is at its lowest and the only way is up if you want to be a future PM and long term PM.
Michael Howard by contrast was elected in the Thatcher landslide of 1983 and Hague in 1989 when the Tories were only just over halfway through their period in office and both ended up defeated Leaders of the Opposition when the pendulum swung the other way. Same with Ed Miliband, elected in 2005 when Blair was re elected. Starmer was elected in 2015 when Cameron won his majority by contrast
Cameron and Johnson weren't exactly.elected against the run of play. Weren't they Witney and Henley respectively? Donkeys and blue rosettes, and all that....
Neither was Blair in Sedgefield (at least until 2019). The ideal therefore to become a long serving PM is to win a safe seat in a year your party is heavily defeated nationally, so your time comes when the pendulum turns
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
He did yes and i predict he will be back within a week despite him using the N word
As I say its not up to us we are mere guests and I say that as someone who has been attacked brutally by Sean on a couple of occasions
Used to be you were a nobody if you had not been insulted by him. I was lucky enough to have a good few of them and enjoyed the banter in return. Far better to ban the boring knobs that whine all the time.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
And in geological terms, and quite separatel Scotland and NE farming.
Used in Ayrshire as well , I think in relation to farming.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
@Leon is a gifted troll. He’s having fun and pushing the edges of the acceptable. Sometimes he transgresses and spends time in the sin bin.
But overall he helps keep the discourse on here from becoming too worthy
He is often witty and interesting.
Unfortunately, deep down, there is always a nasty little racist trying to get out.
Hence - on balance - I think that time outs are still an acceptable approach - think of it as disciplining a toddler
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
@Leon is a gifted troll. He’s having fun and pushing the edges of the acceptable. Sometimes he transgresses and spends time in the sin bin.
But overall he helps keep the discourse on here from becoming too worthy
He is often witty and interesting.
Unfortunately, deep down, there is always a nasty little racist trying to get out.
It's perfectly fine to be a provocative gadfly. Plenty of hacks make a good living from it.
What isn't OK is to use the same voice for utterances that are meant to be taken seriously.
Otherwise everyone gets confused and you end up with government by postmodern joke.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
I’m surprised that the water behind a dyke was hot…
Leon/SeanT/MissyG/whoever is a nasty, racist, horrible bully and when he comes on the site the quality drops quickly. I now actively avoid the site when he is around.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
We always say melted like snaw aff a dyke , you must have been in wokeshire among quinoa munching snowflakes.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I’d say - in all seriousness - that “dyke” is equivalent to “faggot”. A word that used to be acceptable and merely descriptive but is now seen as hostile.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
It is the internet, it is entertaining , in all his guises and he is a real character. Of course there have to be some rules and a sin bin but the last thing we need is for all the colourful characters to be banned and just leave the boring farts, OGH is not daft and the site needs a good mix of opinions , types , etc to reflect reality. No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
@Leon is a gifted troll. He’s having fun and pushing the edges of the acceptable. Sometimes he transgresses and spends time in the sin bin.
But overall he helps keep the discourse on here from becoming too worthy
He is often witty and interesting.
Unfortunately, deep down, there is always a nasty little racist trying to get out.
It's perfectly fine to be a provocative gadfly. Plenty of hacks make a good living from it.
What isn't OK is to use the same voice for utterances that are meant to be taken seriously.
Otherwise everyone gets confused and you end up with government by postmodern joke.
As we have seen.
Talking aboiut postmodern joke, have you seen this?
"When she was foreign secretary, orders were sent to embassies around the world of what Truss would expect to be served [...] Truss would expect double espressos served in a flat-white-sized takeaway cup, and the coffee had to be sourced from independent stores, a serialisation of the book printed in the Sunday Times says. Truss placed a ban on big-brand coffee except when she was in the UK, when she would accept coffee from Pret a Manger."
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I was threatened with a ban were I to use the word again.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I was threatened with a ban were I to use the word again.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I’d say - in all seriousness - that “dyke” is equivalent to “faggot”. A word that used to be acceptable and merely descriptive but is now seen as hostile.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I’d say - in all seriousness - that “dyke” is equivalent to “faggot”. A word that used to be acceptable and merely descriptive but is now seen as hostile.
Occasionally, like "queer" is can be repossessed as a word.
In such circumstances generally only by people describing themselves, of course.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction . Above all though he revels in life and does not find the worthy accepted view of how life should be lived or expressed especially interesting or correct
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I’d say - in all seriousness - that “dyke” is equivalent to “faggot”. A word that used to be acceptable and merely descriptive but is now seen as hostile.
Occasionally, like "queer" is can be repossessed as a word.
In such circumstances generally only by people describing themselves, of course.
Sure and @DJ41 posted some examples but I don’t think it’s there yet
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I’d say - in all seriousness - that “dyke” is equivalent to “faggot”. A word that used to be acceptable and merely descriptive but is now seen as hostile.
Also in all seriousness, I'd say that dyke has been reappropriated, whilst faggot has not.
I'd be quite at ease using it in a verbatim third party quote, but not in general usage myself. But that's based more on my view that tying yourself up in knots to avoid saying an offensive word when it is necessary to talk about it is absurd - as when eg the Today Programme has a fit of PC and comes up with a 5 minute story about an offensive quote that no one knows what it is, but they won't repeat it.
Leon/SeanT/MissyG/whoever is a nasty, racist, horrible bully and when he comes on the site the quality drops quickly. I now actively avoid the site when he is around.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction . Above all though he revels in life and does not find the worthy accepted view of how life should be lived or expressed especially interesting or correct
Not a fascist but reads them extensively on social media, repeatedly posts about how he finds their arguments "interesting" and "extremely persuasive" and reguritates their propaganda verbatim on PB.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
well at the risk of going into semantics I would define the opposite of fascism as being not conforming to powerful leadership (usually state) and being a free thinker. I think Leon's instinct is this
Are you invested in a Brazilian PE market, @Andy_JS? I am on Lula at an overall price of 1.45. First bought him at 1.52 I think.
He is certain to win he has had the Messiah over there batting for him this week (not Noel Edmonds)
ForgottenGenius @ExStrategist The sheer narcissism of Jeremy Corbyn, one of the most unpopular politicians among working class voters in history believing he would be an asset to Lula is remarkable. Esp given his role as a useful idiot for the regime which dispersed 5m Venezuelan refugees around S.America.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
More interested in the idea he has brains. He certainly hides it well!
Obviously either can live perfectly well without either but he does brighten the place up a bit from bein a bit of a nerdy groupthink worthy group who debate at the margins . He is also brave enough to post when we all know who he is in real life -
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
well at the risk of going into semantics I would define the opposite of fascism as being not conforming to powerful leadership (usually state) and being a free thinker. I think Leon's instinct is this
Leon absolutely adores “powerful” leadership; it is one of his core topics alongside what 3 words, UFOs, and teenage sex.
I agree he is a free thinker, but that’s not the get of jail free card you think it is.
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I was not applying the label to anyone myself - but reporting remarks made by others.
You need to decide whether it is tactical outrage / virtue signalling, or whether someone is genuinely upset. IMO.
I’d say - in all seriousness - that “dyke” is equivalent to “faggot”. A word that used to be acceptable and merely descriptive but is now seen as hostile.
Depends on how used and if person you are talking to is a woke halfwit. I would use it in any rural setting for any stone structure enclosing land. Not as appropriate to use in a pub in a city in relation to a person however.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
well at the risk of going into semantics I would define the opposite of fascism as being not conforming to powerful leadership (usually state) and being a free thinker. I think Leon's instinct is this
Nah, he is not really strong on free-thinkers who disagree with him, e.g. 'remainers, 'wokists', alien-sceptics (aka sane people), anyone-with-an-open-mind-about-the-source-of-covid, etc., etc.
Putin though, now there is a 'free thinker' @Leon can get behind.
Yup, there’s a few here who live their lives through this forum. I guess that’s a good thing as it gives them some social interaction. Most of us dip in and out and have real world relations.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
More interested in the idea he has brains. He certainly hides it well!
Hmm if you have read his posts over the years it is very obvious that he is very intelligent indeed.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction . Above all though he revels in life and does not find the worthy accepted view of how life should be lived or expressed especially interesting or correct
Not a fascist but reads them extensively on social media, repeatedly posts about how he finds their arguments "interesting" and "extremely persuasive" and reguritates their propaganda verbatim on PB.
Isnt that the argument to ban extremist views , that they can be persuasive to a lot of people because they are "interesting " (in the sense its an alternative to the "worthy" view). I think Leon is not afraid to think about this and provoke reaction on here (PB does have a very irritating collective view of itself as being "right") . Leon notices this and attacks it - he is not a fascist in any way by his actions or deeds but not afraid to challenge the orthodoxy (hence actually being the opposite of a fascist which by definition is a dictator ship based on state power )
Are you invested in a Brazilian PE market, @Andy_JS? I am on Lula at an overall price of 1.45. First bought him at 1.52 I think.
He is certain to win he has had the Messiah over there batting for him this week (not Noel Edmonds)
ForgottenGenius @ExStrategist The sheer narcissism of Jeremy Corbyn, one of the most unpopular politicians among working class voters in history believing he would be an asset to Lula is remarkable. Esp given his role as a useful idiot for the regime which dispersed 5m Venezuelan refugees around S.America.
Tim is obssessed with Corbyn
I believe Corbyns lawyers contacted him about one post about 6 months ago re Corbyn and AS which disappeared
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I have a killer joke to which the punchline is "Dick Van Dyke" but it does not get aired these days.
People getting offended over slurs in reported speech are being prissy, with the possible exception of the n-word. Of course, we would need the full context to judge...
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
More interested in the idea he has brains. He certainly hides it well!
Hmm if you have read his posts over the years it is very obvious that he is very intelligent indeed.
Mostly seen posts where he blindly repeats stuff that he has clearly neither checked (even rudimentarily), nor understood. Plus some abuse. I admit his abuse is occasionally more original than your repetitive stuff, but that's a very low bar.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
He's slowly being radicalised by Way-Rightwing Twitter. It was kind of sad knowing exactly what topic he would be ranting about in 2 weeks time after it first emerges from the usual suspects on Twitter.
He's got a social media bubble feeding him exactly what he wants to hear and pulling him in tighter and tighter. A year ago he wouldn't have posted the gay sex cocaine orgy gone wrong Pelosi rumours but now he's so deep in that's just a normal thing for him to see on his feed.
The irony of him being described as a free thinker as he hewed ever and ever closer to full on Alt-Right Twitter is not lost on me.
Leon's banned. Oh well. Stunningly ironic way to go.
Leon is often banned but seems to operate under different rules to everyone else in that he will be allowed back again in 48 hours or reappears under another name and lies about it. Does anyone believe that Leon is not Sean T (and Byronic, LadyGaga. Eadric etc etc)?
I shall enjoy the hiatus but will be off the moment he materialises again
Are you invested in a Brazilian PE market, @Andy_JS? I am on Lula at an overall price of 1.45. First bought him at 1.52 I think.
He is certain to win he has had the Messiah over there batting for him this week (not Noel Edmonds)
ForgottenGenius @ExStrategist The sheer narcissism of Jeremy Corbyn, one of the most unpopular politicians among working class voters in history believing he would be an asset to Lula is remarkable. Esp given his role as a useful idiot for the regime which dispersed 5m Venezuelan refugees around S.America.
Why do they keep letting him back? We've seen slurs against Black people, Asians, Catholics, and more. It happens with alarming regularity.
He adds colour to the site, despite his crazy bouts he is and always was one of the best posters on the site. Mediocrity is to be avoided.
They can do what they like ofc, but if there's a policy that this and that isn't allowed, then it's no policy at all when they keep enabling it. Doesn't really make sense to me.
Surely no way back after dropping the Hard R. Unless Dark Elon buys the site.
He did yes and i predict he will be back within a week despite him using the N word
As I say its not up to us we are mere guests and I say that as someone who has been attacked brutally by Sean on a couple of occasions
With Sean he sees it all as some huge post-modernist joke. The post he got banned for was a reply to me suggesting his Hitler themed screenshots the other month we’re not a wind up. For what it’s worth, they probably were, but his tiresome layering of irony and “satire” on ostensible reality means we’re all just part of his personal joke. So I decided to accept them as real. And it was, in a double dose of irony, his “ironic” use of the vilest word that got him banned.
At least it's easy to find out where he lives - credulous.offensive.twat surely zeroes in on his front door?
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I have a killer joke to which the punchline is "Dick Van Dyke" but it does not get aired these days.
People getting offended over slurs in reported speech are being prissy, with the possible exception of the n-word. Of course, we would need the full context to judge...
I grew up (in the 60s and 70s) believing that all Irish people were stupid, Jews were miserly, etc. etc.
That is the danger of slurs and lazy stereotypes being repeated unchallenged.
The dark evenings are closin' in and the pre-Halloween excitement that is three kids on bikes knocking on people's doors.
Back to important matters and the latest Danish opinion poll ahead of Tuesday's poll is from Epinion and they've split the vote by gender and the results of interest but not surprise:
Among men the centre-left parties poll 36.3% and the centre-right bloc 48.8% with the Moderates on 9%
Among women the centre-left parties poll 53.6% and the centre-right parties 37.5% with the Moderates on 7.7%
We've seen it in many other countries and under all electoral systems - men "tend" to vote for centre-right parties and women "tend" to vote centre-left. It's not a universal truth and I suspect someone will quickly find an exception but this is as obvious as it gets.
Leon is still - I think - a net asset, but he’s less interesting and more barely-concealed-fascist-sympathiser these days.
I am interested in the psychology of it. Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
Leon has the brains to want to explore - both the geographical world but also the world of the mind and that involves sometimes provoking the status quo on here (which can get groupthinky) . He is not a fascist (from his instinct I would say more the opposite) but because he is unconventional in thought he provokes reaction .
Interesting. What evidence can you offer to support your idea that @Leon is the opposite of a fascist? Indeed what do you think the opposite of a fascist is?
More interested in the idea he has brains. He certainly hides it well!
Hmm if you have read his posts over the years it is very obvious that he is very intelligent indeed.
Mostly seen posts where he blindly repeats stuff that he has clearly neither checked (even rudimentarily), nor understood. Plus some abuse. I admit his abuse is occasionally more original than your repetitive stuff, but that's a very low bar.
F off you boring nasty arsehole. It is totally boring judgemental clowns like you the site could do without
May I ask how offensive is use of the 'Dyke' word? A few months ago I got into hot water in a pub when I used the word in the context of Indirect - ie Reported -Speech. I was taken aback by the reaction.
It's allowed in East Anglia and the Netherlands.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
I have a killer joke to which the punchline is "Dick Van Dyke" but it does not get aired these days.
People getting offended over slurs in reported speech are being prissy, with the possible exception of the n-word. Of course, we would need the full context to judge...
I grew up (in the 60s and 70s) believing that all Irish people were stupid, Jews were miserly, etc. etc.
That is the danger of slurs and lazy stereotypes being repeated unchallenged.
It is both better and worse in our new information age. On the one hand, exposure to a wide variety of views should prevent some of those sterotypes taking hold; on the other, it is easy to become quickly radicalised online.
Benjamin Fogel @BenjaminFogel I don't want to sound alarmist, but there is a serious attempt at a coup happening in the open right now in Brazil. The Federal Traffic Police along with state police and elements of the army are trying to suppress the vote across the country.
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No point in an echo chamber and tough for the "Outraged Turnbridge Wells / modern day Mary Whitehouse types". This site is very genteel compared to the general rubbish on the internet and controlled with just the necessary steel , in my humble opinion having had the ban hammer many times.
When pricing in the chance of a Tory defection, account needs to be taken of Labour's parliamentary selection process. About 35 seats have been selected so far, but a quite a few more have already started the selection process which will need to take its course now. Including those, the total is about 50. These are all seats which Labour regards as winnable from the Tories.
It's hard to see circumstances where a sitting Tory could be gifted their seat where the selection to replace them had been settled or were underway. That does reduce the odds of a further defection somewhat. However, it also means that with a selection process looming, in the remaining seats some Tory MPs might think it's now or never, so of those that are still able to defect, they might come to the conclusion that they had better hurry up and do so in the next couple of months.
I just don't know what the rules are here.
Was it the holiday snaps again or did we have AI back?
Of course he is a million miles better than JRM, but so is almost anyone.
And may be she enjoyed Blair dominating the political landscape?
As I say its not up to us we are mere guests and I say that as someone who has been attacked brutally by Sean on a couple of occasions
I would posit they should be equivalently ranked
But overall he helps keep the discourse on here from becoming too worthy
Wilted Artisan Borsch will go down a storm in Islington.
I do have a favourite dyke anecdote, which I had better keep to myself if the ban hammer is out and about.
Unfortunately, deep down, there is always a nasty little racist trying to get out.
Tonights evictee is
Not going to be revealed by me
What isn't OK is to use the same voice for utterances that are meant to be taken seriously.
Otherwise everyone gets confused and you end up with government by postmodern joke.
As we have seen.
First polls close 62 minutes from now. Last ones 3 hours later.
Smarkets have a market on whether Lula will get under or over 52.5%. (They phrase it for Bolsonaro.) Current price 2.44 for Lula beating that figure.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/30/liz-truss-rider-out-of-the-blue-book
"When she was foreign secretary, orders were sent to embassies around the world of what Truss would expect to be served [...] Truss would expect double espressos served in a flat-white-sized takeaway cup, and the coffee had to be sourced from independent stores, a serialisation of the book printed in the Sunday Times says. Truss placed a ban on big-brand coffee except when she was in the UK, when she would accept coffee from Pret a Manger."
I am interested in the psychology of it.
Does one develop a fascination for the fuhrerprinciple with old age, or are you born with it?
In such circumstances generally only by people describing themselves, of course.
Are you invested in a Brazilian PE market, @Andy_JS? I am on Lula at an overall price of 1.45. First bought him at 1.52 I think.
I'd be quite at ease using it in a verbatim third party quote, but not in general usage myself. But that's based more on my view that tying yourself up in knots to avoid saying an offensive word when it is necessary to talk about it is absurd - as when eg the Today Programme has a fit of PC and comes up with a 5 minute story about an offensive quote that no one knows what it is, but they won't repeat it.
@ExStrategist
The sheer narcissism of Jeremy Corbyn, one of the most unpopular politicians among working class voters in history believing he would be an asset to Lula is remarkable.
Esp given his role as a useful idiot for the regime which dispersed 5m Venezuelan refugees around S.America.
Evening all, polls close 8pm UK, 5pm Brasilia
https://resultados.tse.jus.br/oficial/app/index.html#/eleicao/resultados
https://g1.globo.com/politica/eleicoes/2022/apuracao/presidente.ghtml
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq2B49ltg8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlNjH_NvBVY
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.180434883
Gut feel is Lula with 51-52% but wouldn't be totally amazed if Bolsonaro pulls it off.
Note that when Rousseff won with 51.4% in 2014, she was behind for the first 80%+ of the count.
Denmark and Israel vote on Tuesday.
Thanks,
DC
I agree he is a free thinker, but that’s not the get of jail free card you think it is.
Putin though, now there is a 'free thinker' @Leon can get behind.
I believe Corbyns lawyers contacted him about one post about 6 months ago re Corbyn and AS which disappeared
People getting offended over slurs in reported speech are being prissy, with the possible exception of the n-word. Of course, we would need the full context to judge...
Plus some abuse. I admit his abuse is occasionally more original than your repetitive stuff, but that's a very low bar.
He's got a social media bubble feeding him exactly what he wants to hear and pulling him in tighter and tighter. A year ago he wouldn't have posted the gay sex cocaine orgy gone wrong Pelosi rumours but now he's so deep in that's just a normal thing for him to see on his feed.
The irony of him being described as a free thinker as he hewed ever and ever closer to full on Alt-Right Twitter is not lost on me.
I shall enjoy the hiatus but will be off the moment he materialises again
Out to 1.58 Bols in from 3 to 2.76
That is the danger of slurs and lazy stereotypes being repeated unchallenged.
The dark evenings are closin' in and the pre-Halloween excitement that is three kids on bikes knocking on people's doors.
Back to important matters and the latest Danish opinion poll ahead of Tuesday's poll is from Epinion and they've split the vote by gender and the results of interest but not surprise:
Among men the centre-left parties poll 36.3% and the centre-right bloc 48.8% with the Moderates on 9%
Among women the centre-left parties poll 53.6% and the centre-right parties 37.5% with the Moderates on 7.7%
We've seen it in many other countries and under all electoral systems - men "tend" to vote for centre-right parties and women "tend" to vote centre-left. It's not a universal truth and I suspect someone will quickly find an exception but this is as obvious as it gets.
Its only 84 mins so should be home well before we know how its going in Brazil
@BenjaminFogel
I don't want to sound alarmist, but there is a serious attempt at a coup happening in the open right now in Brazil. The Federal Traffic Police along with state police and elements of the army are trying to suppress the vote across the country.