Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
Give it up. That might fly if (a) that was what happened, and (b) the spooks had not relieved LizT of the compromised phone, and (c) the KGB was too thick to realise no-one was using said phone any more.
Knowing when a phone was taken out of use is different from knowing when a phone was discovered to have been compromised. There are loads of intelligence cases where things have been allowed to carry on running as usual, or appearing so, whilst an investigation took place. Which is why people shouldn't be leaking such stories to presumably score political points.
Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
Give it up. That might fly if (a) that was what happened, and (b) the spooks had not relieved LizT of the compromised phone, and (c) the KGB was too thick to realise no-one was using said phone any more.
Knowing when a phone was taken out of use is different from knowing when a phone was discovered to have been compromised. There are loads of intelligence cases where things have been allowed to carry on running as usual, or appearing so, whilst an investigation took place. Which is why people shouldn't be leaking such stories to presumably score political points.
The story was leaked long after the phone was removed from Liz Truss.
The simple truth is the massive gap in educational aspiration between white and non white working class communities. Not sure what the policy makers can do about it - it’s deeply embedded culturally.
Visit any grammar school in London to see this fact in play.
And between Indian and Chinese working class communities and the other non white communities too as well as the white working class.
Although part of it is due to the fact immigrants tend to be more motivated
Indeed. A large part of why people migrate is for better economic opportunities. By their very nature immigrants have a great deal of "get up and go".
But there are huge variations between ethnicities. It's not the case that all immigrants are equally successful, eitger educationally or career wise. I wonder if it is the case that the immigrants we get from India and Afruca tend to come from better off backgrounds where education was more highly valued than those from Pakistan or the West Inidies? Just speculation - and of course I know there are always counterexamples.
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Great article from The Times. Gives people a good background into the driving force of success for British Indians and Hindus. The UK could learn a lot from our cultural values, hopefully Rishi is able to impart some on the wider nation.
In case anyone doesn't want to read it, the three keys are education, family and education. In that order. Every single one of my cousins is degree educated and all of them work in higher professional jobs or own and run businesses. There's simply no option of failure given to us as kids, parental support in education, high expectations and ongoing support after university are key to all of us being successful. White British families could learn a lot.
There was a time when Scotland was like that, with a massive emphasis on education and a huge desire to "get on". It's tragic how far we have fallen away from those cultural values to those of envy and bitterness. I really don't know how it happened but it is in my lifetime. My parents and my wife's parents would recognise and endorse the values you espouse in a heartbeat.
But Hinduism is growing in Scotland. I don't get it. How can Max's heralds of right living be on the up at the same time it's all going to rack and ruin? At least one of you must be wrong.
That is nonsense. Hindus are very much on the up because their cultural values give them an edge over the indigenous population but one is not incompatible with the other. In the 20 years we had kids at DHS we saw Hindus go from a tiny minority to a significant presence in the school. Their parents were completely up for sacrifices to ensure that their kids got a proper education. They are the doctors, lawyers and accountants of the next generation. Already they are disproportionately more professional and earn significantly more than the average.
The problem Scotland has is that there are not enough Hindus, or people who share those values, to carry the rest. And we have a government whose main focus is finding reasons to whine about the Union and how unfair everything is.
You are doing the same thing that you condemn - blame the government for everything. A government that tries to support students more than the norm of the UKG settlement, within the limits of the devolution settlement.
No I absolutely am not. The government is not helping but this is a much wider problem that existed long before an SNP administration was ever contemplated. In my lifetime Scots have switched from admiring those that get on and make something of themselves to resenting them and wanting to tax them out of existence. That is not an SNP thing although they seem to have those values too.
And as for helping students more, well the SG funding is so poor that our Universities have become dependent upon foreign students and indeed English students to subsidise their education. Even then, the number of places are limited and becoming more so, closing the door to opportunity. We have utterly destroyed our college system replacing it with certificates for all, regardless of effort or attendance, the exact opposite of training people for the world of work. Our school standards have fallen so far against international standards the SG doesn't want to play anymore.
A Scottish education was something to be proud of in my youth, If you did well in it you had worked hard and applied yourself. Sadly, that is no longer the case and it is not equipping our next generation to create and develop the economy we need.
The devastation wreaked on Scottish, and the wider UK, society, by Thatcher destroyed hope and ambition in many places. Why try to improve when there are no jobs and no hope?
Yet another myth and need to blame someone else. This is a chart of employment in the UK over time:
What we see is that employment started to fall in the last 2 years of the Labour government and this continued until a point in 1983 after which employment rose consistently, considerably exceeding previous highs, until after she lost power.
Ukraine claiming 950 Russian losses yesterday, as well as 13 tanks, 16 artillery systems and 50+ AFVs. It is hard to know how accurate these can be, but if even half true represents massive attrition of the Russian forces.
Great article from The Times. Gives people a good background into the driving force of success for British Indians and Hindus. The UK could learn a lot from our cultural values, hopefully Rishi is able to impart some on the wider nation.
In case anyone doesn't want to read it, the three keys are education, family and education. In that order. Every single one of my cousins is degree educated and all of them work in higher professional jobs or own and run businesses. There's simply no option of failure given to us as kids, parental support in education, high expectations and ongoing support after university are key to all of us being successful. White British families could learn a lot.
Are you saying if you don't own your own business or work in "higher professional jobs" then that's failure?
Yes.
I see. Well, I'm sure "White British families" will be eager for more of your lessons. Any day now.
They should be, not mine, the Hindu community that has gone from having nothing when arriving in the 60s and 70s to being the second highest earning religious group, the first non white PM and quite simply the backbone of the NHS. If people don't want to learn from that then more fool them.
I'm sure there's lots to learn from them as there is from many people - it's always great to open your mind to how other people live. I do wonder whether at least as important as the specific cultural values of Hinduism is the fact that immigrant communities are a self selecting group with a predisposition to hard work, sacrifice and taking risks? After all, if Hindus as a group were the most devoted people in the world as far as education is concerned then presumably India wouldn't have a terrible public education system and be full of illiterates? I disagree with your view that anyone who doesn't earn big bucks or join a profession is a failure, BTW. That's a pretty small minded and narrow view of what constitutes success. Perhaps the learning process could go both ways?
Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
Give it up. That might fly if (a) that was what happened, and (b) the spooks had not relieved LizT of the compromised phone, and (c) the KGB was too thick to realise no-one was using said phone any more.
Knowing when a phone was taken out of use is different from knowing when a phone was discovered to have been compromised. There are loads of intelligence cases where things have been allowed to carry on running as usual, or appearing so, whilst an investigation took place. Which is why people shouldn't be leaking such stories to presumably score political points.
The story was leaked long after the phone was removed from Liz Truss.
That's not the point at all. The details in the story like "the hack was discovered during the summer’s Tory leadership campaign" allow a timeline to be constructed by the Russian intelligence services. So from that statement you can say that anything that originated after 13th July is less likely to be true than the messages and calls before that date. They can also look at when the phone went offline to assess whether immediate action was taken or was there any attempt to feed false information.
This might seem trivial, but that's all intelligence really is, lots of trivial details that build up a picture.
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Disappointing lack of attractive women. Your standards are slipping.
It’s too frigging cold to think about sex
Impressive place. Two mighty tectonic plates ripping apart - creating these deep dark lava rock ravines, where they used to hurl witches. Perfect
The only place in the world where a tectonic plate boundary is above a hot spot. Elsewhere, @Leon, you would be standing on the ocean floor.
And the only place which is also: an incredibly ancient Parliament, an execution ground, the site of a national religious conversion, the witch burning field, and a sacred pool where incestuous girls were put in weighted sacks and thrown in the geothermal water to drown
Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
I think this is clutching at straws - Feeding misinformation can be as deadly as feeding valid information in the nuclear age - nuclear stability relies on mutual trust to a large extent. Governments will know that- This is just lax arrogance - as i say it is quite unbelievable that high office holders have personal phones -
Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
Give it up. That might fly if (a) that was what happened, and (b) the spooks had not relieved LizT of the compromised phone, and (c) the KGB was too thick to realise no-one was using said phone any more.
Knowing when a phone was taken out of use is different from knowing when a phone was discovered to have been compromised. There are loads of intelligence cases where things have been allowed to carry on running as usual, or appearing so, whilst an investigation took place. Which is why people shouldn't be leaking such stories to presumably score political points.
The story was leaked long after the phone was removed from Liz Truss.
That's not the point at all. The details in the story like "the hack was discovered during the summer’s Tory leadership campaign" allow a timeline to be constructed by the Russian intelligence services. So from that statement you can say that anything that originated after 13th July is less likely to be true than the messages and calls before that date. They can also look at when the phone went offline to assess whether immediate action was taken or was there any attempt to feed false information.
This might seem trivial, but that's all intelligence really is, lots of trivial details that build up a picture.
Do the Russians read anything outside the UK press? The story was only embargoed here.
Great article from The Times. Gives people a good background into the driving force of success for British Indians and Hindus. The UK could learn a lot from our cultural values, hopefully Rishi is able to impart some on the wider nation.
In case anyone doesn't want to read it, the three keys are education, family and education. In that order. Every single one of my cousins is degree educated and all of them work in higher professional jobs or own and run businesses. There's simply no option of failure given to us as kids, parental support in education, high expectations and ongoing support after university are key to all of us being successful. White British families could learn a lot.
There was a time when Scotland was like that, with a massive emphasis on education and a huge desire to "get on". It's tragic how far we have fallen away from those cultural values to those of envy and bitterness. I really don't know how it happened but it is in my lifetime. My parents and my wife's parents would recognise and endorse the values you espouse in a heartbeat.
But Hinduism is growing in Scotland. I don't get it. How can Max's heralds of right living be on the up at the same time it's all going to rack and ruin? At least one of you must be wrong.
That is nonsense. Hindus are very much on the up because their cultural values give them an edge over the indigenous population but one is not incompatible with the other. In the 20 years we had kids at DHS we saw Hindus go from a tiny minority to a significant presence in the school. Their parents were completely up for sacrifices to ensure that their kids got a proper education. They are the doctors, lawyers and accountants of the next generation. Already they are disproportionately more professional and earn significantly more than the average.
The problem Scotland has is that there are not enough Hindus, or people who share those values, to carry the rest. And we have a government whose main focus is finding reasons to whine about the Union and how unfair everything is.
You are doing the same thing that you condemn - blame the government for everything. A government that tries to support students more than the norm of the UKG settlement, within the limits of the devolution settlement.
No I absolutely am not. The government is not helping but this is a much wider problem that existed long before an SNP administration was ever contemplated. In my lifetime Scots have switched from admiring those that get on and make something of themselves to resenting them and wanting to tax them out of existence. That is not an SNP thing although they seem to have those values too.
And as for helping students more, well the SG funding is so poor that our Universities have become dependent upon foreign students and indeed English students to subsidise their education. Even then, the number of places are limited and becoming more so, closing the door to opportunity. We have utterly destroyed our college system replacing it with certificates for all, regardless of effort or attendance, the exact opposite of training people for the world of work. Our school standards have fallen so far against international standards the SG doesn't want to play anymore.
A Scottish education was something to be proud of in my youth, If you did well in it you had worked hard and applied yourself. Sadly, that is no longer the case and it is not equipping our next generation to create and develop the economy we need.
The devastation wreaked on Scottish, and the wider UK, society, by Thatcher destroyed hope and ambition in many places. Why try to improve when there are no jobs and no hope?
Yet another myth and need to blame someone else. This is a chart of employment in the UK over time:
What we see is that employment started to fall in the last 2 years of the Labour government and this continued until a point in 1983 after which employment rose consistently, considerably exceeding previous highs, until after she lost power.
Eh? Am I looking at the wrong chart? Afaics employment rose in the last 2 years of the Labour government. The 2 most precipitous falls were under Conservative governments.
There were of course lots of regional variations in these rises and falls, not least in Scotland.
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Disappointing lack of attractive women. Your standards are slipping.
It’s too frigging cold to think about sex
Impressive place. Two mighty tectonic plates ripping apart - creating these deep dark lava rock ravines, where they used to hurl witches. Perfect
The only place in the world where a tectonic plate boundary is above a hot spot. Elsewhere, @Leon, you would be standing on the ocean floor.
And the only place which is also: an incredibly ancient Parliament, an execution ground, the site of a national religious conversion, the witch burning field, and a sacred pool where incestuous girls were put in weighted sacks and thrown in the geothermal water to drown
Any info on what happened to the incestuous blokes?
Maybe it's just me. But when I worked for the Civil Service, having signed the Official Secrets Act, I didn't find it at all difficult to make a clear distinction between my work phone and work email, and my private phone and private email.
It's really not difficult, unless a) you're a bit thick, or b) you're willfully breaking the rules. And if a) and/or b) apply, you shouldn't be in the job anyway.
The simple truth is the massive gap in educational aspiration between white and non white working class communities. Not sure what the policy makers can do about it - it’s deeply embedded culturally.
Visit any grammar school in London to see this fact in play.
And between Indian and Chinese working class communities and the other non white communities too as well as the white working class.
Although part of it is due to the fact immigrants tend to be more motivated
Indeed. A large part of why people migrate is for better economic opportunities. By their very nature immigrants have a great deal of "get up and go".
But there are huge variations between ethnicities. It's not the case that all immigrants are equally successful, eitger educationally or career wise. I wonder if it is the case that the immigrants we get from India and Afruca tend to come from better off backgrounds where education was more highly valued than those from Pakistan or the West Inidies? Just speculation - and of course I know there are always counterexamples.
I think there were big differences in the social class origins of different immigrant groups, and what they were brought here to do. Mill worker or Doctor? Cleaner or PhD student?
There is also the issue of where groups settled. For everyone there are more economic opportunities in London than Northern towns, which is why migrants want to move to London, whether from Nigeria, France or shire England.
Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
Give it up. That might fly if (a) that was what happened, and (b) the spooks had not relieved LizT of the compromised phone, and (c) the KGB was too thick to realise no-one was using said phone any more.
Knowing when a phone was taken out of use is different from knowing when a phone was discovered to have been compromised. There are loads of intelligence cases where things have been allowed to carry on running as usual, or appearing so, whilst an investigation took place. Which is why people shouldn't be leaking such stories to presumably score political points.
The story was leaked long after the phone was removed from Liz Truss.
That's not the point at all. The details in the story like "the hack was discovered during the summer’s Tory leadership campaign" allow a timeline to be constructed by the Russian intelligence services. So from that statement you can say that anything that originated after 13th July is less likely to be true than the messages and calls before that date. They can also look at when the phone went offline to assess whether immediate action was taken or was there any attempt to feed false information.
This might seem trivial, but that's all intelligence really is, lots of trivial details that build up a picture.
There is no evidence that Truss's phone was ever turned in the manner you suggest. For a start, she'd have needed a second, "true" phone.
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Been there, done that. Is it necessary to fill the chasm with tourists? Does it stop working if they don't? Just have this vision of the earth gobbling them all up.
PS @Leon can you reply to my questions yesterday re how this journalism stuff works. Genuinely interested in the finances as I don't have a clue, although another poster gave what appeared to be a very good reply. I linked the question to @Leon so it should be easy to see.
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Disappointing lack of attractive women. Your standards are slipping.
It’s too frigging cold to think about sex
Impressive place. Two mighty tectonic plates ripping apart - creating these deep dark lava rock ravines, where they used to hurl witches. Perfect
The only place in the world where a tectonic plate boundary is above a hot spot. Elsewhere, @Leon, you would be standing on the ocean floor.
And the only place which is also: an incredibly ancient Parliament, an execution ground, the site of a national religious conversion, the witch burning field, and a sacred pool where incestuous girls were put in weighted sacks and thrown in the geothermal water to drown
Any info on what happened to the incestuous blokes?
Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
Give it up. That might fly if (a) that was what happened, and (b) the spooks had not relieved LizT of the compromised phone, and (c) the KGB was too thick to realise no-one was using said phone any more.
Knowing when a phone was taken out of use is different from knowing when a phone was discovered to have been compromised. There are loads of intelligence cases where things have been allowed to carry on running as usual, or appearing so, whilst an investigation took place. Which is why people shouldn't be leaking such stories to presumably score political points.
The story was leaked long after the phone was removed from Liz Truss.
That's not the point at all. The details in the story like "the hack was discovered during the summer’s Tory leadership campaign" allow a timeline to be constructed by the Russian intelligence services. So from that statement you can say that anything that originated after 13th July is less likely to be true than the messages and calls before that date. They can also look at when the phone went offline to assess whether immediate action was taken or was there any attempt to feed false information.
This might seem trivial, but that's all intelligence really is, lots of trivial details that build up a picture.
There is no evidence that Truss's phone was ever turned in the manner you suggest. For a start, she'd have needed a second, "true" phone.
Presumably the Security Services/Govt could have slapped a D-notice on the book/story if they had wanted to. Maybe it was actually discovered much later and the latest story is itself misinformation to try and limit the damage!
On the Truss story - surely the issue is not that a lightweight politician got her phone compromised? The issue is that No.10 covered it up.
It is completely normal to keep quiet about such things. You don't let your enemy know what you know about their espionage. Usually we only hear about such things if a lot of time has passed, their is some action taken against the foreign power like arrests or sanctions, or in rare cases where it is in the public interest to raise the alarm like a large scale campaign where the public need to be warned.
Has anyone considered that allowing Liz Truss to own a compromised phone would be an excellent way to feed misinformation to the Russians?
Of course that is an option, or rather it was until some idiot leaker thought they knew best. Russia now knows that we know, and I haven't read the story but they might also be able to pin down the rough date of when it was discovered, which would be used to assess the veracity of any intelligence. The leaker(s) have put politics ahead of security.
Give it up. That might fly if (a) that was what happened, and (b) the spooks had not relieved LizT of the compromised phone, and (c) the KGB was too thick to realise no-one was using said phone any more.
Knowing when a phone was taken out of use is different from knowing when a phone was discovered to have been compromised. There are loads of intelligence cases where things have been allowed to carry on running as usual, or appearing so, whilst an investigation took place. Which is why people shouldn't be leaking such stories to presumably score political points.
The story was leaked long after the phone was removed from Liz Truss.
That's not the point at all. The details in the story like "the hack was discovered during the summer’s Tory leadership campaign" allow a timeline to be constructed by the Russian intelligence services. So from that statement you can say that anything that originated after 13th July is less likely to be true than the messages and calls before that date. They can also look at when the phone went offline to assess whether immediate action was taken or was there any attempt to feed false information.
This might seem trivial, but that's all intelligence really is, lots of trivial details that build up a picture.
There is no evidence that Truss's phone was ever turned in the manner you suggest. For a start, she'd have needed a second, "true" phone.
That is probably correct, it still doesn't make leaking details such as when it was discovered a good thing to do.
Great article from The Times. Gives people a good background into the driving force of success for British Indians and Hindus. The UK could learn a lot from our cultural values, hopefully Rishi is able to impart some on the wider nation.
In case anyone doesn't want to read it, the three keys are education, family and education. In that order. Every single one of my cousins is degree educated and all of them work in higher professional jobs or own and run businesses. There's simply no option of failure given to us as kids, parental support in education, high expectations and ongoing support after university are key to all of us being successful. White British families could learn a lot.
There was a time when Scotland was like that, with a massive emphasis on education and a huge desire to "get on". It's tragic how far we have fallen away from those cultural values to those of envy and bitterness. I really don't know how it happened but it is in my lifetime. My parents and my wife's parents would recognise and endorse the values you espouse in a heartbeat.
But Hinduism is growing in Scotland. I don't get it. How can Max's heralds of right living be on the up at the same time it's all going to rack and ruin? At least one of you must be wrong.
That is nonsense. Hindus are very much on the up because their cultural values give them an edge over the indigenous population but one is not incompatible with the other. In the 20 years we had kids at DHS we saw Hindus go from a tiny minority to a significant presence in the school. Their parents were completely up for sacrifices to ensure that their kids got a proper education. They are the doctors, lawyers and accountants of the next generation. Already they are disproportionately more professional and earn significantly more than the average.
The problem Scotland has is that there are not enough Hindus, or people who share those values, to carry the rest. And we have a government whose main focus is finding reasons to whine about the Union and how unfair everything is.
You are doing the same thing that you condemn - blame the government for everything. A government that tries to support students more than the norm of the UKG settlement, within the limits of the devolution settlement.
No I absolutely am not. The government is not helping but this is a much wider problem that existed long before an SNP administration was ever contemplated. In my lifetime Scots have switched from admiring those that get on and make something of themselves to resenting them and wanting to tax them out of existence. That is not an SNP thing although they seem to have those values too.
And as for helping students more, well the SG funding is so poor that our Universities have become dependent upon foreign students and indeed English students to subsidise their education. Even then, the number of places are limited and becoming more so, closing the door to opportunity. We have utterly destroyed our college system replacing it with certificates for all, regardless of effort or attendance, the exact opposite of training people for the world of work. Our school standards have fallen so far against international standards the SG doesn't want to play anymore.
A Scottish education was something to be proud of in my youth, If you did well in it you had worked hard and applied yourself. Sadly, that is no longer the case and it is not equipping our next generation to create and develop the economy we need.
The devastation wreaked on Scottish, and the wider UK, society, by Thatcher destroyed hope and ambition in many places. Why try to improve when there are no jobs and no hope?
Yet another myth and need to blame someone else. This is a chart of employment in the UK over time:
What we see is that employment started to fall in the last 2 years of the Labour government and this continued until a point in 1983 after which employment rose consistently, considerably exceeding previous highs, until after she lost power.
Employment: June 70: 24.6 (Mar 71 earliest available) Feb 74: 25.0 (+0.4 vs when Con took office) Oct 74: 25.1 May 79: 25.1 (+0.1 under Labour) June 83 23.6 June 87: 25.1 April 92: 26.6 May 97: 26.5 (+1.4 under Con) June 01: 27.7 May 05: 28.8 May 10: 29.1 (+2.6 under Labour) May 15: 31.1 (+2.0 under Coalition) June 17: 32.1 Dec 19: 32.9 (+1.8 under Con)
Striking the significant growth in more recent years and despite COVID current employment is level with Dec 19 (32.8).
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Disappointing lack of attractive women. Your standards are slipping.
It’s too frigging cold to think about sex
Impressive place. Two mighty tectonic plates ripping apart - creating these deep dark lava rock ravines, where they used to hurl witches. Perfect
The only place in the world where a tectonic plate boundary is above a hot spot. Elsewhere, @Leon, you would be standing on the ocean floor.
And the only place which is also: an incredibly ancient Parliament, an execution ground, the site of a national religious conversion, the witch burning field, and a sacred pool where incestuous girls were put in weighted sacks and thrown in the geothermal water to drown
Any info on what happened to the incestuous blokes?
One thing I don’t get though is how we know what was actually on this phone. So her personal phone was hacked. Is that her fault? - possibly not. But are claims about what was on it reliable and it seems a bit of a serious breach of security to be leaking that if at all accurate.
On the Truss story - surely the issue is not that a lightweight politician got her phone compromised? The issue is that No.10 covered it up.
It is completely normal to keep quiet about such things. You don't let your enemy know what you know about their espionage. Usually we only hear about such things if a lot of time has passed, their is some action taken against the foreign power like arrests or sanctions, or in rare cases where it is in the public interest to raise the alarm like a large scale campaign where the public need to be warned.
The cover up happened here after the Finland story. The Russians knew but we still suppressed the story here. Why?
So that LT could be PM.
Why was that allowed? Because the selectorate were not to know, that is why. No.10 knew LT was the front runner and would keep Sunak out.
They trashed the UK's already weakened reputation and cost the country billions, nearly wrecked pension schemes and for what? To protect a story that had already leaked out to the European press?
It would make sense to cover up to maintain a secret, but this cover up was not about that.
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Disappointing lack of attractive women. Your standards are slipping.
It’s too frigging cold to think about sex
Impressive place. Two mighty tectonic plates ripping apart - creating these deep dark lava rock ravines, where they used to hurl witches. Perfect
The only place in the world where a tectonic plate boundary is above a hot spot. Elsewhere, @Leon, you would be standing on the ocean floor.
And the only place which is also: an incredibly ancient Parliament, an execution ground, the site of a national religious conversion, the witch burning field, and a sacred pool where incestuous girls were put in weighted sacks and thrown in the geothermal water to drown
Any info on what happened to the incestuous blokes?
Beheaded
Typical, always the easy way out for the men.
In an early example of typically Nordic gender equality, the 16th century Icelandics were, unusually, just as keen to burn male witches as female witches. And this also happened here at Thingvellir
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
Depends if the owner of the media concerned is looking for a peerage....
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
The so-called D-notice system (qv) exists for the government to suppress stories like this.
So in just 40 days Liz Truss wrecked the public finances and unwittingly passed critical state secrets to the enemy. Any other achievements?
torpedoed singapore-on-thames hahahahahahaha
Torpedoed Labour's ability to borrow to fund its Manifesto.
hur hur hur.....
gilts are right back to where they were before and Liz and Kwasi show.
But they won't be, if Labour tries to repeat the Kwasi and Liz Show.....
Going to be a difficult task to manage TU expectations.
But that was never on cards. Even when McDonnell was shadow Chancellor he knew his figures had to balance. Wrong-Daily perhaps you might have had a point.
Musk heading back to the courts, by the look of it.
Saturday Night News: Musk fired the company’s entire senior staff “for cause,” an attempt to avoid paying out tens of millions of dollars in severance packages to the former CEO, CFO, GC and head of legal https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1586539695491624960
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Been there, done that. Is it necessary to fill the chasm with tourists? Does it stop working if they don't? Just have this vision of the earth gobbling them all up.
PS @Leon can you reply to my questions yesterday re how this journalism stuff works. Genuinely interested in the finances as I don't have a clue, although another poster gave what appeared to be a very good reply. I linked the question to @Leon so it should be easy to see.
I think you've got it the wrong way around: the Tourists bubble up naturally from the centre of the earth. That's why there are so many tourists in Iceland.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
Depends if the owner of the media concerned is looking for a peerage....
Such informal horsetrading seems unlikely given that Rupert Murdoch could not accept a peerage and probably doesn't want one anyway.
I remember being told in no uncertain terms when all the pedo kerfuffle was being spoken about that a 'D-notice' (a Government imposed media blackout) didn't exist. But it seems from this story that they're relatively routine.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
Presumably they merely mean Case decided not to release any info and are dressing it up as shadowy conspiracy. Its not a D notice as it wouldnt be out now if it were and the mail are not able to provide any details of being 'leant on'. Its as convincing as Braverman 'being investigated' when she was just one of many, none of whom were found responsible, with a 'the source reckons' chucked in
In both cases the story is not the story, the undertone and desired outcome is
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
Great article from The Times. Gives people a good background into the driving force of success for British Indians and Hindus. The UK could learn a lot from our cultural values, hopefully Rishi is able to impart some on the wider nation.
In case anyone doesn't want to read it, the three keys are education, family and education. In that order. Every single one of my cousins is degree educated and all of them work in higher professional jobs or own and run businesses. There's simply no option of failure given to us as kids, parental support in education, high expectations and ongoing support after university are key to all of us being successful. White British families could learn a lot.
There was a time when Scotland was like that, with a massive emphasis on education and a huge desire to "get on". It's tragic how far we have fallen away from those cultural values to those of envy and bitterness. I really don't know how it happened but it is in my lifetime. My parents and my wife's parents would recognise and endorse the values you espouse in a heartbeat.
But Hinduism is growing in Scotland. I don't get it. How can Max's heralds of right living be on the up at the same time it's all going to rack and ruin? At least one of you must be wrong.
That is nonsense. Hindus are very much on the up because their cultural values give them an edge over the indigenous population but one is not incompatible with the other. In the 20 years we had kids at DHS we saw Hindus go from a tiny minority to a significant presence in the school. Their parents were completely up for sacrifices to ensure that their kids got a proper education. They are the doctors, lawyers and accountants of the next generation. Already they are disproportionately more professional and earn significantly more than the average.
The problem Scotland has is that there are not enough Hindus, or people who share those values, to carry the rest. And we have a government whose main focus is finding reasons to whine about the Union and how unfair everything is.
You are doing the same thing that you condemn - blame the government for everything. A government that tries to support students more than the norm of the UKG settlement, within the limits of the devolution settlement.
No I absolutely am not. The government is not helping but this is a much wider problem that existed long before an SNP administration was ever contemplated. In my lifetime Scots have switched from admiring those that get on and make something of themselves to resenting them and wanting to tax them out of existence. That is not an SNP thing although they seem to have those values too.
And as for helping students more, well the SG funding is so poor that our Universities have become dependent upon foreign students and indeed English students to subsidise their education. Even then, the number of places are limited and becoming more so, closing the door to opportunity. We have utterly destroyed our college system replacing it with certificates for all, regardless of effort or attendance, the exact opposite of training people for the world of work. Our school standards have fallen so far against international standards the SG doesn't want to play anymore.
A Scottish education was something to be proud of in my youth, If you did well in it you had worked hard and applied yourself. Sadly, that is no longer the case and it is not equipping our next generation to create and develop the economy we need.
The devastation wreaked on Scottish, and the wider UK, society, by Thatcher destroyed hope and ambition in many places. Why try to improve when there are no jobs and no hope?
Yet another myth and need to blame someone else. This is a chart of employment in the UK over time:
What we see is that employment started to fall in the last 2 years of the Labour government and this continued until a point in 1983 after which employment rose consistently, considerably exceeding previous highs, until after she lost power.
Employment: June 70: 24.6 (Mar 71 earliest available) Feb 74: 25.0 (+0.4 vs when Con took office) Oct 74: 25.1 May 79: 25.1 (+0.1 under Labour) June 83 23.6 June 87: 25.1 April 92: 26.6 May 97: 26.5 (+1.4 under Con) June 01: 27.7 May 05: 28.8 May 10: 29.1 (+2.6 under Labour) May 15: 31.1 (+2.0 under Coalition) June 17: 32.1 Dec 19: 32.9 (+1.8 under Con)
Striking the significant growth in more recent years and despite COVID current employment is level with Dec 19 (32.8).
Thanks. When I went back to it I saw that I had misread the scale on the chart as @Theuniondivvie correctly pointed out. But the idea that there was mass unemployment or lack of opportunity through the Thatcher years is simply wrong and Scotland did better than most on the back of north sea oil.
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
Musk heading back to the courts, by the look of it.
Saturday Night News: Musk fired the company’s entire senior staff “for cause,” an attempt to avoid paying out tens of millions of dollars in severance packages to the former CEO, CFO, GC and head of legal https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1586539695491624960
One thing I don’t get though is how we know what was actually on this phone. So her personal phone was hacked. Is that her fault? - possibly not. But are claims about what was on it reliable and it seems a bit of a serious breach of security to be leaking that if at all accurate.
They probably figure that if the KGB knows, so does the CIA.
You know what is missing from this tale, once you look past the faux indignation about press leaks? Any suggestion that every other government phone was immediately checked.
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Disappointing lack of attractive women. Your standards are slipping.
It’s too frigging cold to think about sex
Impressive place. Two mighty tectonic plates ripping apart - creating these deep dark lava rock ravines, where they used to hurl witches. Perfect
The only place in the world where a tectonic plate boundary is above a hot spot. Elsewhere, @Leon, you would be standing on the ocean floor.
And the only place which is also: an incredibly ancient Parliament, an execution ground, the site of a national religious conversion, the witch burning field, and a sacred pool where incestuous girls were put in weighted sacks and thrown in the geothermal water to drown
Any info on what happened to the incestuous blokes?
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
Ah, I'd not realised Lifeline has a PB author (unless that is why I bought it in the first place, and I've forgotten it was already plugged here). Well done on the prize.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
Surely because the current government wants to be straight with the British people? 😉
Musk heading back to the courts, by the look of it.
Saturday Night News: Musk fired the company’s entire senior staff “for cause,” an attempt to avoid paying out tens of millions of dollars in severance packages to the former CEO, CFO, GC and head of legal https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1586539695491624960
Well the bastards made him buy it, didn't they?
Looks as though they set themselves up with some fairly watertight employment contracts, too. $200m is pretty small change to Musk, but I feel that Twitter will turn out to be a costly distraction for him. He might surprise us all and develop a highly profitable web business out of it… but I know which of that, Tesla and SpaceX I’d rather invest in.
Musk heading back to the courts, by the look of it.
Saturday Night News: Musk fired the company’s entire senior staff “for cause,” an attempt to avoid paying out tens of millions of dollars in severance packages to the former CEO, CFO, GC and head of legal https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1586539695491624960
Well the bastards made him buy it, didn't they?
That did a fantastic job of maximising shareholder value! Except for him of course
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
Depends if the owner of the media concerned is looking for a peerage....
Such informal horsetrading seems unlikely given that Rupert Murdoch could not accept a peerage and probably doesn't want one anyway.
I remember being told in no uncertain terms when all the pedo kerfuffle was being spoken about that a 'D-notice' (a Government imposed media blackout) didn't exist. But it seems from this story that they're relatively routine.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
This is an enormous dead cat. I'll wager there was nothing national security related, just some *ahem* and some 'apres Boris, c'est moi' Its been tweaked to achieve a goal
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
Musk heading back to the courts, by the look of it.
Saturday Night News: Musk fired the company’s entire senior staff “for cause,” an attempt to avoid paying out tens of millions of dollars in severance packages to the former CEO, CFO, GC and head of legal https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1586539695491624960
Well the bastards made him buy it, didn't they?
Looks as though they set themselves up with some fairly watertight employment contracts, too. $200m is pretty small change to Musk, but I feel that Twitter will turn out to be a costly distraction for him. He might surprise us all and develop a highly profitable web business out of it… but I know which of that, Tesla and SpaceX I’d rather invest in.
Gives the lie, however, to the PB meme that Twitter is a worthless irrelevance. The opposite is the case
Much to my astonishment and delight, my book 'LIFELINE' has just won in this year's British Medical Association medical book awards ('Good Medical Practice' category). The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset. It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
This is an enormous dead cat. I'll wager there was nothing national security related, just some *ahem* and some 'apres Boris, c'est moi' Its been tweaked to achieve a goal
You are so desperate for this not to be a real and substantial story as it clearly is, you are replying to your own posts about it.
All stories are from sources so what is your point?
Next time Andrew Sullivan is on the BBC telling us about left wing domination of US media, they might ask him about the Fox reaction to the Pelosi story. And the lack of interest of some of the 'liberal' media.
You may well discover there are *reasons* this story is being underplayed
What you mean is that the MAGA/right wing echo chamber has gone into overdrive to try to deflect blame from themselves, seizing on a couple of misreported and/or misrepresented “facts” in the initial aftermath (since debunked/withdrawn as inaccurate) to create a vast fantastical conspiracy which is a million miles from the highly likely and most obvious version of events.
Because when the obvious version of events doesn’t paint MAGA and its followers in a good light they have to create an alternative version (or several for when each one falls by the wayside).
Indeed. There’s already been a bot attack on Wikipedia trying to push a false flag narrative.
Of course, Alex Jones made false flag claims about a different event and now owes nearly a billion dollars in libel damages. I hope no-one here is stupid enough to drag PB.com into similar difficulties.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
This is an enormous dead cat. I'll wager there was nothing national security related, just some *ahem* and some 'apres Boris, c'est moi' Its been tweaked to achieve a goal
You are so desperate for this not to be a real and substantial story as it clearly is, you are replying to your own posts about it.
All stories are from sources so what is your point?
I meant to reply to Luckyguy but there you go, im a tool. My point is if this was being suppressed via D Notice by Case then it wouldn't now be out, and if the info retrieved was of blackmail/national security level it absolutely eould be under D notice. That not being the case and a mystery 'source' briefing the Mail then its clearly a much lesser issue being used for a purpose - probably to distract from Suella issues. There is no way a source is annonymously briefing the Mail on something with massive national security implication and the government not be in utter panic and 'blackout everything to do with this' mode. The opposition also would be very careful if there were proper, serious implications. Im not 'desperate for it not to be a big story', im trying to identify the actual story/issue
Thingvellir. Where two continents divorce and a chasm fills with tourists
Been there, done that. Is it necessary to fill the chasm with tourists? Does it stop working if they don't? Just have this vision of the earth gobbling them all up.
PS @Leon can you reply to my questions yesterday re how this journalism stuff works. Genuinely interested in the finances as I don't have a clue, although another poster gave what appeared to be a very good reply. I linked the question to @Leon so it should be easy to see.
I think you've got it the wrong way around: the Tourists bubble up naturally from the centre of the earth. That's why there are so many tourists in Iceland.
'The number of data points used to calculate April 2022 hotel price CPI inflation in NI was... two.'
'Therefore it seems likely that the apparent jump in CPI in Northern Ireland in April 2022 was not caused by the Northern Ireland Protocol, but by Little Mix. Specifically, the concerts at the SSE Arena, which caused two hotels to increase their prices.'
I guess the DUP have done their 'The NIP is destroying ouf fair land' on even flimsier shit, mind.
Next time Andrew Sullivan is on the BBC telling us about left wing domination of US media, they might ask him about the Fox reaction to the Pelosi story. And the lack of interest of some of the 'liberal' media.
You may well discover there are *reasons* this story is being underplayed
What you mean is that the MAGA/right wing echo chamber has gone into overdrive to try to deflect blame from themselves, seizing on a couple of misreported and/or misrepresented “facts” in the initial aftermath (since debunked/withdrawn as inaccurate) to create a vast fantastical conspiracy which is a million miles from the highly likely and most obvious version of events.
Because when the obvious version of events doesn’t paint MAGA and its followers in a good light they have to create an alternative version (or several for when each one falls by the wayside).
Indeed. There’s already been a bot attack on Wikipedia trying to push a false flag narrative.
Of course, Alex Jones made false flag claims about a different event and now owes nearly a billion dollars in libel damages. I hope no-one here is stupid enough to drag PB.com into similar difficulties.
I think the story is so ludicrous that we can safely recount it just to laugh at it. Hammer man was Paul Pelosi's gay lover on a cocaine bender.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
This is an enormous dead cat. I'll wager there was nothing national security related, just some *ahem* and some 'apres Boris, c'est moi' Its been tweaked to achieve a goal
You are so desperate for this not to be a real and substantial story as it clearly is, you are replying to your own posts about it.
All stories are from sources so what is your point?
I meant to reply to Luckyguy but there you go, im a tool. My point is if this was being suppressed via D Notice by Case then it wouldn't now be out, and if the info retrieved was of blackmail/national security level it absolutely eould be under D notice. That not being the case and a mystery 'source' briefing the Mail then its clearly a much lesser issue being used for a purpose - probably to distract from Suella issues. There is no way a source is annonymously briefing the Mail on something with massive national security implication and the government not be in utter panic and 'blackout everything to do with this' mode. The opposition also would be very careful if there were proper, serious implications. Im not 'desperate for it not to be a big story', im trying to identify the actual story/issue
What security implications? The implications are that the government (whether that means HMG or MI5 or Liz Truss or anyone else) messed up. There are no great security implications (from the leak) because the KGB already knows what phones the KGB hacked. Official embarrassment is not the same as national security.
Next time Andrew Sullivan is on the BBC telling us about left wing domination of US media, they might ask him about the Fox reaction to the Pelosi story. And the lack of interest of some of the 'liberal' media.
You may well discover there are *reasons* this story is being underplayed
What you mean is that the MAGA/right wing echo chamber has gone into overdrive to try to deflect blame from themselves, seizing on a couple of misreported and/or misrepresented “facts” in the initial aftermath (since debunked/withdrawn as inaccurate) to create a vast fantastical conspiracy which is a million miles from the highly likely and most obvious version of events.
Because when the obvious version of events doesn’t paint MAGA and its followers in a good light they have to create an alternative version (or several for when each one falls by the wayside).
Indeed. There’s already been a bot attack on Wikipedia trying to push a false flag narrative.
Of course, Alex Jones made false flag claims about a different event and now owes nearly a billion dollars in libel damages. I hope no-one here is stupid enough to drag PB.com into similar difficulties.
I think the story is so ludicrous that we can safely recount it just to laugh at it. Hammer man was Paul Pelosi's gay lover on a cocaine bender.
Oh, sure, we can recount nonsense to laugh at it. I worry about the one who believes it to be true.
'The number of data points used to calculate April 2022 hotel price CPI inflation in NI was... two.'
'Therefore it seems likely that the apparent jump in CPI in Northern Ireland in April 2022 was not caused by the Northern Ireland Protocol, but by Little Mix. Specifically, the concerts at the SSE Arena, which caused two hotels to increase their prices.'
I guess the DUP have done their 'The NIP is destroying ouf fair land' on even flimsier shit, mind.
All economic statistics are rubbish, to a greater or lesser extent. At best they approximate whatever underlying concept researchers want to measure. Why were hotel room rates included in the first place? What about cat food or baked beans?
Our Icelandic guide has just casually mentioned that his “great grandmother was eaten by a polar bear”
Think s/he might be winding you up. Polar bears do not live in Iceland. They occasionally arrive by accident. Looked it up and it is about one every couple of years. You have really got to be in the wrong place at the wrong time to get eaten by one, or not be in Iceland of course.
'The number of data points used to calculate April 2022 hotel price CPI inflation in NI was... two.'
'Therefore it seems likely that the apparent jump in CPI in Northern Ireland in April 2022 was not caused by the Northern Ireland Protocol, but by Little Mix. Specifically, the concerts at the SSE Arena, which caused two hotels to increase their prices.'
I guess the DUP have done their 'The NIP is destroying ouf fair land' on even flimsier shit, mind.
All economic statistics are rubbish, to a greater or lesser extent. At best they approximate whatever underlying concept researchers want to measure. Why were hotel room rates included in the first place? What about cat food or baked beans?
This one now has to have meds, which I have to give in her food, so she now has wet food twice as often. She’s happy, but it’s definitely contributed to cat food-related inflation in my household.
Great article from The Times. Gives people a good background into the driving force of success for British Indians and Hindus. The UK could learn a lot from our cultural values, hopefully Rishi is able to impart some on the wider nation.
In case anyone doesn't want to read it, the three keys are education, family and education. In that order. Every single one of my cousins is degree educated and all of them work in higher professional jobs or own and run businesses. There's simply no option of failure given to us as kids, parental support in education, high expectations and ongoing support after university are key to all of us being successful. White British families could learn a lot.
There was a time when Scotland was like that, with a massive emphasis on education and a huge desire to "get on". It's tragic how far we have fallen away from those cultural values to those of envy and bitterness. I really don't know how it happened but it is in my lifetime. My parents and my wife's parents would recognise and endorse the values you espouse in a heartbeat.
But Hinduism is growing in Scotland. I don't get it. How can Max's heralds of right living be on the up at the same time it's all going to rack and ruin? At least one of you must be wrong.
That is nonsense. Hindus are very much on the up because their cultural values give them an edge over the indigenous population but one is not incompatible with the other. In the 20 years we had kids at DHS we saw Hindus go from a tiny minority to a significant presence in the school. Their parents were completely up for sacrifices to ensure that their kids got a proper education. They are the doctors, lawyers and accountants of the next generation. Already they are disproportionately more professional and earn significantly more than the average.
The problem Scotland has is that there are not enough Hindus, or people who share those values, to carry the rest. And we have a government whose main focus is finding reasons to whine about the Union and how unfair everything is.
David, you trying to say the small Tory contingent of absolute losers in Holyrood would benefit Scotland in any way shape or form. Better we shoot one foot off rather than let the Tories ahck both feet off and come back for our eyeballs.
What is a 'news blackout' in this context, and how does the Head of the Civil Service go about imposing one? Does he just say to the media 'Oy lads, this Russia hacks Truss's phone story - No.'?
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
D-Notice.
It wouldnt be out now if there were a D notice, the Mail arent that brave
One assumes any blackout would now be rescinded because Truss is gone and negative stories about her suit the current Government.
The story is from a 'source' though, not something that was clearly known but under suppression. Otherwise the Mail would say 'we found out about this in August but were prevented from running the story'
This is an enormous dead cat. I'll wager there was nothing national security related, just some *ahem* and some 'apres Boris, c'est moi' Its been tweaked to achieve a goal
You are so desperate for this not to be a real and substantial story as it clearly is, you are replying to your own posts about it.
All stories are from sources so what is your point?
I meant to reply to Luckyguy but there you go, im a tool. My point is if this was being suppressed via D Notice by Case then it wouldn't now be out, and if the info retrieved was of blackmail/national security level it absolutely eould be under D notice. That not being the case and a mystery 'source' briefing the Mail then its clearly a much lesser issue being used for a purpose - probably to distract from Suella issues. There is no way a source is annonymously briefing the Mail on something with massive national security implication and the government not be in utter panic and 'blackout everything to do with this' mode. The opposition also would be very careful if there were proper, serious implications. Im not 'desperate for it not to be a big story', im trying to identify the actual story/issue
What security implications? The implications are that the government (whether that means HMG or MI5 or Liz Truss or anyone else) messed up. There are no great security implications because the KGB already knows what phones the KGB hacked. Official embarrassment is not the same as national security.
Well, that depends on the info retrieved doesnt it? We don't know what was retrieved. My point is, if it were 'official seecrets' stuff, this story would not have got out, thus its just 'embarassing for Liz' stuff and the story is being used to deflect from Suella. Im not sure whats so controversial about that? Its blatantly obvious thats what is going on here. Hence the Mail getting the scoop
Edit - Cooper even says it 'this better not be to deflect from other stories' cos she knows it is
What security implications? The implications are that the government (whether that means HMG or MI5 or Liz Truss or anyone else) messed up. There are no great security implications because the KGB already knows what phones the KGB hacked. Official embarrassment is not the same as national security.
Given that the state-of-the-art for malware is zero-click zero-day attacks the only sense that someone has messed up is in having a phone at all. So unless you literrally ban public officials from having phones you are going to have these sort of problems.
Our Icelandic guide has just casually mentioned that his “great grandmother was eaten by a polar bear”
Think s/he might be winding you up. Polar bears do not live in Iceland. They occasionally arrive by accident. Looked it up and it is about one every couple of years. You have really got to be in the wrong place at the wrong time to get eaten by one, or not be in Iceland of course.
Are up off to the geyser by chance next? Did it yesterday! Currently doing the hike to the volcano that isn't erupting
Next time Andrew Sullivan is on the BBC telling us about left wing domination of US media, they might ask him about the Fox reaction to the Pelosi story. And the lack of interest of some of the 'liberal' media.
You may well discover there are *reasons* this story is being underplayed
What you mean is that the MAGA/right wing echo chamber has gone into overdrive to try to deflect blame from themselves, seizing on a couple of misreported and/or misrepresented “facts” in the initial aftermath (since debunked/withdrawn as inaccurate) to create a vast fantastical conspiracy which is a million miles from the highly likely and most obvious version of events.
Because when the obvious version of events doesn’t paint MAGA and its followers in a good light they have to create an alternative version (or several for when each one falls by the wayside).
Indeed. There’s already been a bot attack on Wikipedia trying to push a false flag narrative.
Of course, Alex Jones made false flag claims about a different event and now owes nearly a billion dollars in libel damages. I hope no-one here is stupid enough to drag PB.com into similar difficulties.
I think the story is so ludicrous that we can safely recount it just to laugh at it. Hammer man was Paul Pelosi's gay lover on a cocaine bender.
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I’d like to show you my bronzed six pack.
I wonder if it is the case that the immigrants we get from India and Afruca tend to come from better off backgrounds where education was more highly valued than those from Pakistan or the West Inidies? Just speculation - and of course I know there are always counterexamples.
The Herald on Sunday can confirm that the blueprints for the newest ferries that are to serve Scotland's islands do not involve LNG - which was once lauded as the green way forward for nation's ageing ferry fleet.
Transport chiefs have already spent millions on preparing for LNG ferries.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23088009.shambles-beggars-belief-scots-transport-bosses-end-plans-green-fuel-ferries-costing-taxpayers-millions/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdbywq9tVwM
If only Tory MPs could have seen what he was seeing when voting on the next PM this summer, eh?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281998/employment-figures-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/
What we see is that employment started to fall in the last 2 years of the Labour government and this continued until a point in 1983 after which employment rose consistently, considerably exceeding previous highs, until after she lost power.
He says: "When I was FS, we still had the Liam Byrne memo clear in our minds! don't make any demands.. no requests.."
https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1586655806149332993
I suspect the tone was set from the top….
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1586628660399841280?t=CH6VLSMbSIrAg_YOekFrKg&s=19
This seems...sub optimal.
I disagree with your view that anyone who doesn't earn big bucks or join a profession is a failure, BTW. That's a pretty small minded and narrow view of what constitutes success. Perhaps the learning process could go both ways?
This might seem trivial, but that's all intelligence really is, lots of trivial details that build up a picture.
girls were put in weighted sacks and thrown in the geothermal water to drown
Afaics employment rose in the last 2 years of the Labour government. The 2 most precipitous falls were under Conservative governments.
There were of course lots of regional variations in these rises and falls, not least in Scotland.
It's really not difficult, unless a) you're a bit thick, or b) you're willfully breaking the rules. And if a) and/or b) apply, you shouldn't be in the job anyway.
There is also the issue of where groups settled. For everyone there are more economic opportunities in London than Northern towns, which is why migrants want to move to London, whether from Nigeria, France or shire England.
PS @Leon can you reply to my questions yesterday re how this journalism stuff works. Genuinely interested in the finances as I don't have a clue, although another poster gave what appeared to be a very good reply. I linked the question to @Leon so it should be easy to see.
No.10 caused a prolonged leadership campaign at a time the country did not need one.
No.10 indirectly caused the KT catastrophe
Did No.10 (or Boris) set up Truss to fail as a vehicle for his own return?
Those are the pertinent points and if heads are going to roll, I would not waste time on the hapless Truss whose reputation is in ruins anyway.
Employment:
June 70: 24.6 (Mar 71 earliest available)
Feb 74: 25.0 (+0.4 vs when Con took office)
Oct 74: 25.1
May 79: 25.1 (+0.1 under Labour)
June 83 23.6
June 87: 25.1
April 92: 26.6
May 97: 26.5 (+1.4 under Con)
June 01: 27.7
May 05: 28.8
May 10: 29.1 (+2.6 under Labour)
May 15: 31.1 (+2.0 under Coalition)
June 17: 32.1
Dec 19: 32.9 (+1.8 under Con)
Striking the significant growth in more recent years and despite COVID current employment is level with Dec 19 (32.8).
So that LT could be PM.
Why was that allowed? Because the selectorate were not to know, that is why. No.10 knew LT was the front runner and would keep Sunak out.
They trashed the UK's already weakened reputation and cost the country billions, nearly wrecked pension schemes and for what? To protect a story that had already leaked out to the European press?
It would make sense to cover up to maintain a secret, but this cover up was not about that.
Non binary witch burnings!
I know about super-injunctions and I don't really approve, but that is at least some sort of legal process.
Downthread there is also mention of the media sitting on stories about Bojo that may re-emerge if he runs for PM again. Why are they sitting on them, and at whos request? Why is that in the public interest?
hur hur hur.....
.@rabbitandcoffee reimagines the procession of U.K. prime ministers in the world of SUCCESSION.
https://twitter.com/InsidersABC/status/1586493084644167681
Going to be a difficult task to manage TU expectations.
The FCO has secure systems of communication, but they are rather tiresome to our leaders.
Saturday Night News: Musk fired the company’s entire senior staff “for cause,” an attempt to avoid paying out tens of millions of dollars in severance packages to the former CEO, CFO, GC and head of legal
https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1586539695491624960
I remember being told in no uncertain terms when all the pedo kerfuffle was being spoken about that a 'D-notice' (a Government imposed media blackout) didn't exist. But it seems from this story that they're relatively routine.
Its not a D notice as it wouldnt be out now if it were and the mail are not able to provide any details of being 'leant on'.
Its as convincing as Braverman 'being investigated' when she was just one of many, none of whom were found responsible, with a 'the source reckons' chucked in
In both cases the story is not the story, the undertone and desired outcome is
The book analyses the reason's for the collapse of the NHS, and given how much health has become a political 'hot potato' might be of interest to readers of pb.com. Some of the book will make you laugh and some will reduce you to tears of rage. There were a few occasions when I was writing when I had to stop because I was so upset.
It's available on Amazon, Waterstones, etc.
You know what is missing from this tale, once you look past the faux indignation about press leaks? Any suggestion that every other government phone was immediately checked.
ETA all the winners:-
https://www.bma.org.uk/media/6336/bma-medical-book-awards-winners-2022.pdf
$200m is pretty small change to Musk, but I feel that Twitter will turn out to be a costly distraction for him. He might surprise us all and develop a highly profitable web business out of it… but I know which of that, Tesla and SpaceX I’d rather invest in.
Nobly done 🥂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSMA-Notice
Its been tweaked to achieve a goal
Gives the lie, however, to the PB meme that Twitter is a worthless irrelevance. The opposite is the case
All stories are from sources so what is your point?
https://twitter.com/peterdonaghy/status/1586378699728748544
Of course, Alex Jones made false flag claims about a different event and now owes nearly a billion dollars in libel damages. I hope no-one here is stupid enough to drag PB.com into similar difficulties.
My point is if this was being suppressed via D Notice by Case then it wouldn't now be out, and if the info retrieved was of blackmail/national security level it absolutely eould be under D notice. That not being the case and a mystery 'source' briefing the Mail then its clearly a much lesser issue being used for a purpose - probably to distract from Suella issues.
There is no way a source is annonymously briefing the Mail on something with massive national security implication and the government not be in utter panic and 'blackout everything to do with this' mode.
The opposition also would be very careful if there were proper, serious implications.
Im not 'desperate for it not to be a big story', im trying to identify the actual story/issue
'The number of data points used to calculate April 2022 hotel price CPI inflation in NI was... two.'
'Therefore it seems likely that the apparent jump in CPI in Northern Ireland in April 2022 was not caused by the Northern Ireland Protocol, but by Little Mix. Specifically, the concerts at the SSE Arena, which caused two hotels to increase their prices.'
I guess the DUP have done their 'The NIP is destroying ouf fair land' on even flimsier shit, mind.
This one now has to have meds, which I have to give in her food, so she now has wet food twice as often. She’s happy, but it’s definitely contributed to cat food-related inflation in my household.
Im not sure whats so controversial about that? Its blatantly obvious thats what is going on here. Hence the Mail getting the scoop
Edit - Cooper even says it 'this better not be to deflect from other stories' cos she knows it is