Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
I’m minded to agree Crimea is a bit different from the other regions here, as those maps of the old 1991 referendum show. When Ukraine liberates the other annexed territories they will be met with cheering and hugs, but the Crimean population may be a different matter.
Cheering and hugs indeed. Like in Lyman. Did you see them all? "Thanks, Zelensky," the population were all chanting, "You've liberated us from the Moskali."
You're as mad as a Trump supporter, imagining stuff that you want to be true.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
Yes, that's fair
By their 40s at the latest most people have worked out if they are good drunks or bad drunks, and adjusted their drinking and socialising accordingly. Quite odd
The problem is that Truss’s chief whip, Wendy Morton, is seen as weak and ineffectual and is branded “Wendy Moron” by MPs and advisers, she “could not fight her way out of a wet paper bag” according to one senior Conservative.
Diplomats in London, Brussels and Dublin are also cautiously optimistic that there could be a new deal over the Northern Ireland protocol by October 28. That would see the EU approve red and green lanes for goods passing from Great Britain into Northern Ireland, allowing them to reduce the number of border checks, in exchange for the UK dropping its opposition for the European Court of Justice to play a role in the agreement.
My good friend "Urban" the notorious black clad heroin dealer called me today. During Covid he got dangerously ill, fell on his face, and suffered serious brain damage, yet he still keeps cheerful and has opinions
He told me he's gone right off Truss. And if she's lost the brain damaged ex-heroin dealers who only wear black she's in a pickle, no mistake
I guess heroin dealers like her ultra libertarian politics?
He's actually surprisingly conservative on many issues. Given that he is, or was, an international heroin trafficker supplying The Beige to supermodels in Mayfair. Gets cheesed off with speeding motorists in his hood, etc
It's like the way people expect gays or blacks to be leftwing. We all expect majorly important heroin dealers to be louche and amoral. Many are upstanding, and would be hard working Tory local councillors in a parallel universe
Tories should love heroin dealers - entrepreneurs who don't rely on any state support, ruthlessly following the logic of the market. Definitely not part of the anti growth coalition!
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
In a sample of 650 people, especially 650 people in a high-pressure career, you're bound to find some heavy drinkers.
Beyond that, in this particular case we've no way of knowing (based on the skeletal information provided) whether or not the bloke actually did anything wrong at all.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
This might explain why you're not getting laid.
Indeed, make them laugh, and you're 90% of the way there.
Spent Thursday night at a focus group in Swindon South. 5 Tory voters, 3 Labour. Every single one agreed the govt was responsible for market turmoil after mini-budget and rejected idea of global forces. Also disliked that govt had not apologised for it. https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1578694190673928193/video/1
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
The no-brains trust "supporting" Liz Truss, are truly as thick as molasses in January.
IF they really "think" she & they come off looking better than Gove, based on THEIR own spinning.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
This might explain why you're not getting laid.
Some of my favourite Christmas memories are of games of Up Jenkins, involving the hot Welsh girls from down the road in the mid 1980s. OOOOOH. The entirety of the game is drunken fumbling
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
All sweetness and light in the Tory Party right now then? 🙏
I’m minded to agree Crimea is a bit different from the other regions here, as those maps of the old 1991 referendum show. When Ukraine liberates the other annexed territories they will be met with cheering and hugs, but the Crimean population may be a different matter.
Cheering and hugs indeed. Like in Lyman. Did you see them all? "Thanks, Zelensky," the population were all chanting, "You've liberated us from the Moskali."
You're as mad as a Trump supporter, imagining stuff that you want to be true.
Obviously a difficult day for you. Sincerest sympathies.
Do you think the 4 referendums held by Russia last week in Ukraine territories were
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
"Burns, 50, was a close friend of Margaret Thatcher in her final years"
Whilst I don't wish to suggest intergenerational friendships are not a thing, I call bullshit on the idea Thatcher was 'close friends' with someone 47 years her junior.
Boris just has great judgement in friends and allies - Paterson, Burns, Pincher
She was. I know Conor well.
That's totally true.
So you associate with weirdos, no surprise there then
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
Yes, that's fair
By their 40s at the latest most people have worked out if they are good drunks or bad drunks, and adjusted their drinking and socialising accordingly. Quite odd
Westminster culture has not caught up with the rest of us.
"Burns, 50, was a close friend of Margaret Thatcher in her final years"
Whilst I don't wish to suggest intergenerational friendships are not a thing, I call bullshit on the idea Thatcher was 'close friends' with someone 47 years her junior.
Boris just has great judgement in friends and allies - Paterson, Burns, Pincher
She was. I know Conor well.
That's totally true.
So you associate with weirdos, no surprise there then
Oi.
Watch it.
Why? He's literally in here saying groping somebody when you're drunk isn't that bad.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
Yes, he must be one of that small subset of males who for some unaccountable reason think they become more desireable after a few drinks.
Diplomats in London, Brussels and Dublin are also cautiously optimistic that there could be a new deal over the Northern Ireland protocol by October 28. That would see the EU approve red and green lanes for goods passing from Great Britain into Northern Ireland, allowing them to reduce the number of border checks, in exchange for the UK dropping its opposition for the European Court of Justice to play a role in the agreement.
Farage will be furious and what about Suella?
Surprise, surprise. But didn't Truss rule it out in the leadership election?
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
In the present political climate it would be good if someone could write a thread header on just how Starmer and labour would deal with the economic and political issues they are likely to face in 2024
Bit early to know what Reeves will face in late 2024 economically. It looks like it will be totally dire but two years is a long time at the moment.
A more ruthless operation would have gently kept the party going (even if the awkward checking night his times phase of the party) until 2024. Then let the other lot deal with the hangover.
Maybe that was the plan. But the last month has meant that some kind of reckoning is coming over the next two years as well.
It's not going to be pretty, and Truss doesn't have the public trust to get out in one piece.
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
Wait:
She was maybe thinking of offering him the job of Ambassador to the UAE.
Wow. He will have been absolutely gutted to have missed that opportunity.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
I'm HALF joking
I know this will appall @CorrectHorseBattery2 and possibly @CorrectHorseBattery3 but it is true to say that, on occasion, I've just thought Fuck it, and grabbed a girl's thigh under a table. While smiling politely as if nothing untoward has happened
And I am afraid to say it has worked. Sometimes!
It cuts out a lot of tedious chit chat and courtship, for a start
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
Big part of the problem giving cover to such crum-bums within your own magic circle, is that they (and others of their ilk) come to expect & count on such protection
Will be interesting to see IF this particular dingleberry gets to be Lord Dingleberry?
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
In a sample of 650 people, especially 650 people in a high-pressure career, you're bound to find some heavy drinkers.
Beyond that, in this particular case we've no way of knowing (based on the skeletal information provided) whether or not the bloke actually did anything wrong at all.
Not the point. In a sample of me, you are bound to find a heavy drinker. My point is most of us develop control mechanisms which enable us to get through professional life without it showing, especially when the odds are this high (loss of job and knighthood).
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
In a sample of 650 people, especially 650 people in a high-pressure career, you're bound to find some heavy drinkers.
Beyond that, in this particular case we've no way of knowing (based on the skeletal information provided) whether or not the bloke actually did anything wrong at all.
Not the point. In a sample of me, you are bound to find a heavy drinker. My point is most of us develop control mechanisms which enable us to get through professional life without it showing, especially when the odds are this high (loss of job and knighthood).
Though most successful professional politicians are gamblers who assume the odds are tweaked in their favour. They have to be, or they wouldn't touch the job with a bargepole.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
An important question is: which is less embarrassing or menacing for Russia? what narrative do they want to be told?
If it was a clever SBS style waterborne attack that is highly impressive. And suggests that Ukraine might have been responsible the the Nordstream explosion. They certainly have the motivation
It's 600km, one-way, from Odesa to Kerch, if you stay close to the Crimean coast. I would have thought that made a sea-based mode of attack exceptionally unlikely.
It's just over 250km from the frontline in Zaporizhzhia (near Orikhiv) or further to the frontline in Kherson. I honestly don't know how they did it. Every method seems improbable. Looking forward to reading about it once the war is won.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
This might explain why you're not getting laid.
Some of my favourite Christmas memories are of games of Up Jenkins, involving the hot Welsh girls from down the road in the mid 1980s. OOOOOH. The entirety of the game is drunken fumbling
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
Wait:
She was maybe thinking of offering him the job of Ambassador to the UAE.
Wow. He will have been absolutely gutted to have missed that opportunity.
She should have offered him Saudi Arabia if she wanted to get Riyadh of him.
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
All sweetness and light in the Tory Party right now then? 🙏
Good evening PB
The idea of Truss inviting Gove round for tea is amusing. It's like Jemima Puddleduck asking Mr Fox to come round so that they can discuss ways of working together in future.
Official broadcast in #Iran is interrupted that says “join us and rise up” at the right and at the bottom “the blood of our youth drips from your clutches” #IranProtests2022 #IranRevolution https://twitter.com/1500tasvir/status/1578810266296651776
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
Yes, and no.
Well, he was certainly right about Nordstream, even tho the Germans laughed and sneered at him
Look at them, stupid chortling German twats. The Brits, Yanks and Ukes blew up their stupid pipeline anyway
Are we going to one day use the 2022 Conservative Party Conference as an example of the worst gathering of and by a political party?
I thought Conferences were supposed to give the Party holding it an electoral lift - Starmer certainly did very well from the Labour Conference.
Perhaps it might have been better if the Conservatives had emulated the Liberal Democrats and cancelled their Conference - I'm sure they could have come up with a reason - a mark of respect for a former leader perhaps?
How does this end? Do the Conservative backbenchers hang on and hope, pace Micawber, something will turn up or could they go out in the biggest act of political self-immolation since Labour voted for Corbyn and the LDs U-Turned on tuition fees?
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
Wait:
She was maybe thinking of offering him the job of Ambassador to the UAE.
Wow. He will have been absolutely gutted to have missed that opportunity.
She should have offered him Saudi Arabia if she wanted to get Riyadh of him.
Imagine if Boris’s bridge to Northern Ireland had been destroyed by some kind of Von der Leyen-Varadkar axis special ops.
The idea of a bridge (to Ireland generally) isn't a bad thing. Not practical yet.
It’s a shit idea precisely because it’s not practical.
Come along. The idea of flight in the 18th century wasn't shit.
I love trains.
I want a high speed train linking Derry, Belfast and Dublin.
I want a high speed train from Holyhead to Hull.
Neither have, I suppose, a good business case behind them, but at least they are buildable.
Standing tough under stars and stripes, we can tell This dream's in sight, you've got to admit it At this point in time that it's clear The future looks bright On that train, all graphite and glitter Undersea by rail Ninety minutes from New York to Paris Well, by '76 we'll be a-okay
What a beautiful world this will be What a glorious time to be free What a beautiful world this will be (Ooh, ah) What a glorious time to be free
Ah, God. I miss the 1980s. All that optimism. Everything was going to get better. And the music was lovely
I watched Point Break the weekend before last. It was a delight to watch a film about an America which didn't hate itself. There were bank robbers. But they just wanted money. There were no lectures on racism or climate change or alternative sexualities or any other moral shortcomings of the west. It was just a story. A slightky ludicrous story, granted. But beautifully shot. (ok, this was actually 90s. But the poont holds.)
I found it interesting how, when we were young, my contemporaries saw the Swayze character as a hero. When I saw him as a creepy cult leader high on his own supply, who gets all his followers killed.
Now we are old older nearly everyone else has come to my point of view. He deserved the life in a cage he escapes.
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
Wait:
She was maybe thinking of offering him the job of Ambassador to the UAE.
Wow. He will have been absolutely gutted to have missed that opportunity.
She should have offered him Saudi Arabia if she wanted to get Riyadh of him.
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
Wait:
She was maybe thinking of offering him the job of Ambassador to the UAE.
Wow. He will have been absolutely gutted to have missed that opportunity.
She should have offered him Saudi Arabia if she wanted to get Riyadh of him.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
This might explain why you're not getting laid.
Some of my favourite Christmas memories are of games of Up Jenkins, involving the hot Welsh girls from down the road in the mid 1980s. OOOOOH. The entirety of the game is drunken fumbling
Only hand fumbling though? Or is there a Herefordshire version that is considerably darker?
No it's all about hands up skirts and the like
Have you never played it the fun sexy way? It is genuinely hilarious - and can be seriously erotic
And before @CorrectHorseBattery tries to get me arrested this definitely goes both ways. A girl will blatantly put her hand where you aren't entirely expecting it. Electric!
Why appoint a Home Secretary who is hardline on immigration if you’re going to want more work visas . Truss is hopeless , aswell as making too many enemies in the early part of her premiership .
Are we going to one day use the 2022 Conservative Party Conference as an example of the worst gathering of and by a political party?
I thought Conferences were supposed to give the Party holding it an electoral lift - Starmer certainly did very well from the Labour Conference.
Perhaps it might have been better if the Conservatives had emulated the Liberal Democrats and cancelled their Conference - I'm sure they could have come up with a reason - a mark of respect for a former leader perhaps?
How does this end? Do the Conservative backbenchers hang on and hope, pace Micawber, something will turn up or could they go out in the biggest act of political self-immolation since Labour voted for Corbyn and the LDs U-Turned on tuition fees?
Lloyd George with his infamous speech about agricultural labourers in 1925, which was a highly personal attack on Asquith at a time when they were trying to reunite the wings of their party probably comes close. But that was personality. This was all policy.
A friend gets in touch to say this is the kind of vicious comments I used to make about Mark Reckless.
If Shapps is causing concern, Michael Gove is causing fury in No 10. He went public last week with his opposition to the 45p tax cut, branding it a “display of the wrong values”.
Downing Street sources say Gove’s troublemaking came after Truss privately contacted the former levelling up secretary to seek his advice and offer him a job. They met for tea in the state room at No 10 on September 26, the Monday before conference.
Gove told Truss “how much he admired her” and praised the energy price support package, though he made clear that he did not support the abolition of the top rate of tax. Truss, in turn, asked Gove if he was interested in a new role. Nothing was explicitly offered but the PM alluded to a senior diplomatic role working with a major ally. Possibilities could have been Israel or the United Arab Emirates where ambassadorial vacancies are soon due to arise.
In Downing Street’s view, Gove went to Birmingham and “stabbed the PM in the back”. A senior Conservative said: “Michael Gove is trying to destroy another Tory leader.”
In an astonishing attack on Gove’s character, a friend of Truss added: “Michael is troubled and has never found his place in the sun. There is something deeply troubling about the darkness inside him. It grips him and it takes over.
“It corrupts his soul. The more he plots, the more baggage he collects and the more conflicted he then becomes about who and what he is. His answer to everything is more tax, more salami slicing, more failed economics. The Tory party has rejected him.”
A Gove ally denied that he had gone behind Truss’s back. “Michael had told his whip and Liz directly that this is what he was going to do,” the source said, also accusing Downing Street of briefing an “inaccurate account” of the conversation.
But accounts have reached the whips that Gove was privately suggesting the biggest names should “get the old gang back together”. One MP said: “Michael thinks Boris and Rishi should come together and get the show back on the road.” It is unclear how this might work, given that Sunak resigned from Johnson’s government and Johnson sacked Gove as an act of revenge for his betrayal in 2016.
Wait:
She was maybe thinking of offering him the job of Ambassador to the UAE.
Wow. He will have been absolutely gutted to have missed that opportunity.
She should have offered him Saudi Arabia if she wanted to get Riyadh of him.
Why appoint a Home Secretary who is hardline on immigration if you’re going to want more work visas . Truss is hopeless , aswell as making too many enemies in the early part of her premiership .
Yes, well spotted: this policy division is bewilderingly inept
She has to go, no matter how crazy it makes the Tories appear
Why appoint a Home Secretary who is hardline on immigration if you’re going to want more work visas . Truss is hopeless , aswell as making too many enemies in the early part of her premiership .
I think her instructions were: "stop the bloody boats". Braverman seems to have interpreted that as stop anyone. Build a Wall.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
He was right about Germany and Ru energy reliance.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
He was right about Germany and Ru energy reliance.
"In the long run we all lose reelection", as Keynes put it.
Bit rich from Kwasi, as his chances of making xmas are 10-90.
Someone must take the fall and it 'aint gonna be Lizzy.
Maybe I'm wrong but I do have the impression that Kwasi is a bit smarter Liz. You can argue his economic theories are flawed but he does at least understand them. She gives the impression of not understanding them at all and she just blindly depended on him for some 'fresh ideas' that would sound good to Daily Mail readers and others in her core constituency.
She therefore cannot realistically sack him without resigning herself.
Liz Truss’ approval rating has dropped by 10 points in just one week. Her net approval figure (-47%) is now worse than any recorded for Boris Johnson – who reached a low of -44% during Partygate – and Theresa May who reached -46% during the 2019 elections. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1578826242060865537/photo/1
I’m minded to agree Crimea is a bit different from the other regions here, as those maps of the old 1991 referendum show. When Ukraine liberates the other annexed territories they will be met with cheering and hugs, but the Crimean population may be a different matter.
Cheering and hugs indeed. Like in Lyman. Did you see them all? "Thanks, Zelensky," the population were all chanting, "You've liberated us from the Moskali."
You're as mad as a Trump supporter, imagining stuff that you want to be true.
How do you explain, then, that it is Russian troops drafted in defending newly captured lands and not -say- Ukrainians? And how do you explain the fanatical, and often suicidal defence by Ukraninans in Mauripol?
Because to an outside observer, they seem pretty fucking massive evidence that they'd rather be part of Ukraine than Russia.
Why appoint a Home Secretary who is hardline on immigration if you’re going to want more work visas . Truss is hopeless , aswell as making too many enemies in the early part of her premiership .
Yes, well spotted: this policy division is bewilderingly inept
She has to go, no matter how crazy it makes the Tories appear
I know she had to give her a job but there were plenty of options . Now Braverman has this higher profile job I suspect she’s worked out she could position herself as the next PM if Truss gets ditched . Of course Braverman quitting and playing the martyr might help her down the line . God help us if she got the job . In that instance I would be begging Johnson to come back !
Liz Truss’ approval rating has dropped by 10 points in just one week. Her net approval figure (-47%) is now worse than any recorded for Boris Johnson – who reached a low of -44% during Partygate – and Theresa May who reached -46% during the 2019 elections. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1578826242060865537/photo/1
There’s no coming back. No idea why the Tories continue to pretend that “they need to give her time”
Why appoint a Home Secretary who is hardline on immigration if you’re going to want more work visas . Truss is hopeless , aswell as making too many enemies in the early part of her premiership .
Yes x2. She wants immigrants in general for Growf, and Indians in particular to sweeten the Modi deal. Braverman is soooo going to outflank her with the nutters.
"Burns, 50, was a close friend of Margaret Thatcher in her final years"
Whilst I don't wish to suggest intergenerational friendships are not a thing, I call bullshit on the idea Thatcher was 'close friends' with someone 47 years her junior.
Boris just has great judgement in friends and allies - Paterson, Burns, Pincher
She was. I know Conor well.
That's totally true.
So you associate with weirdos, no surprise there then
Oi.
Watch it.
Why? He's literally in here saying groping somebody when you're drunk isn't that bad.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
He was right about Germany and Ru energy reliance.
Liz Truss’ approval rating has dropped by 10 points in just one week. Her net approval figure (-47%) is now worse than any recorded for Boris Johnson – who reached a low of -44% during Partygate – and Theresa May who reached -46% during the 2019 elections. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1578826242060865537/photo/1
There’s no coming back. No idea why the Tories continue to pretend that “they need to give her time”
Long Read Alert: Inside Tory warring factions 💣MP says Liz Truss is like "Pol Pot" imposing Year Zero 💣Six rebel gangs are all lobbing grenades - can Liz survive? 💣Cabinet minister says Liz "kind of person who would walk into a gun fight"
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
He was right about Germany and Ru energy reliance.
Diplomats in London, Brussels and Dublin are also cautiously optimistic that there could be a new deal over the Northern Ireland protocol by October 28. That would see the EU approve red and green lanes for goods passing from Great Britain into Northern Ireland, allowing them to reduce the number of border checks, in exchange for the UK dropping its opposition for the European Court of Justice to play a role in the agreement.
Farage will be furious and what about Suella?
Good news.
I am finding it difficult to comprehend the possibility of the Truss government doing something beneficial and helpful, but I’m sure I’ll get over the shock.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
I'm HALF joking
I know this will appall @CorrectHorseBattery2 and possibly @CorrectHorseBattery3 but it is true to say that, on occasion, I've just thought Fuck it, and grabbed a girl's thigh under a table. While smiling politely as if nothing untoward has happened
And I am afraid to say it has worked. Sometimes!
It cuts out a lot of tedious chit chat and courtship, for a start
When I was 20, I went to the cinema with a bunch of friends. On my left was a friend of mine's girlfriend (and the friend was to her left). Half way through the movie, she put her hand on my thigh, in a way that was unmistakably sexual.
I was quite disturbed. Because, although she was both attractive and funny, my friend was considerably stronger than me, and was known to have a temper.
In the circumstances, I felt the risks outweighed the benefit and went for an unneeded toilet break.
I’m minded to agree Crimea is a bit different from the other regions here, as those maps of the old 1991 referendum show. When Ukraine liberates the other annexed territories they will be met with cheering and hugs, but the Crimean population may be a different matter.
Cheering and hugs indeed. Like in Lyman. Did you see them all? "Thanks, Zelensky," the population were all chanting, "You've liberated us from the Moskali."
You're as mad as a Trump supporter, imagining stuff that you want to be true.
How do you explain, then, that its Russian troops drafted in defending newly captured lands and not -say- Ukrainians? And how do you explain the fanatical, and often suicidal defence by Ukraninans in Mauripol?
Because to an outside observer, they seem pretty fucking massive evidence that they'd rather be part of Ukraine than Russia.
At one time, Mariupol was the most pro-Russian city in Ukraine. Even more so than Sevastopol.
If even they don't want the Russians...
and they seem to have been further put off Russia by their city being flattened by Russian artillery. I can't think why.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
In a sample of 650 people, especially 650 people in a high-pressure career, you're bound to find some heavy drinkers.
Beyond that, in this particular case we've no way of knowing (based on the skeletal information provided) whether or not the bloke actually did anything wrong at all.
There seem to be more heavy drinkers than one would expect from a random sample of 650 members of the population!
I’m going to the Commons on Tuesday. It’s for breakfast, so I should be safe…
"Burns, 50, was a close friend of Margaret Thatcher in her final years"
Whilst I don't wish to suggest intergenerational friendships are not a thing, I call bullshit on the idea Thatcher was 'close friends' with someone 47 years her junior.
Boris just has great judgement in friends and allies - Paterson, Burns, Pincher
She was. I know Conor well.
That's totally true.
So you associate with weirdos, no surprise there then
Oi.
Watch it.
Why? He's literally in here saying groping somebody when you're drunk isn't that bad.
Dude: cut out the personal abuse.
How odd, you didn't jump in when that user called me an autistic virgin yet him literally saying he assaults women is okay. Utterly pathetic.
If that's what we go for here then I'm leaving for good. See ya.
Liz Truss’ approval rating has dropped by 10 points in just one week. Her net approval figure (-47%) is now worse than any recorded for Boris Johnson – who reached a low of -44% during Partygate – and Theresa May who reached -46% during the 2019 elections. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1578826242060865537/photo/1
There’s no coming back. No idea why the Tories continue to pretend that “they need to give her time”
At the moment, there's insufficient agreement on what to do after Truxit. And bad though Truss is, some of the plausible alternatives are probably worse.
Until Truss is so awful that the radicals prefer Wallace-Sunak or the realists prefer Braverman-Badenoch, Truss is safe.
That hasn't happened yet, but it shouldn't take long.
Why appoint a Home Secretary who is hardline on immigration if you’re going to want more work visas . Truss is hopeless , aswell as making too many enemies in the early part of her premiership .
Yes, well spotted: this policy division is bewilderingly inept
She has to go, no matter how crazy it makes the Tories appear
I know she had to give her a job but there were plenty of options . Now Braverman has this higher profile job I suspect she’s worked out she could position herself as the next PM if Truss gets ditched . Of course Braverman quitting and playing the martyr might help her down the line . God help us if she got the job . In that instance I would be begging Johnson to come back !
If the Tories ditch Truss then they need to change the rules to get rid of the membership runoff first. Otherwise I think Braverman has a strong chance of winning from second place as the right wing doubling down candidate.
EXCL - Home Secretary Suella Braverman writes for @TheSun to warn Tory rebels - lay down your arms and get behind Liz Truss or you will hand the keys to No10 to Sir Keir Starmer
EXCL - Home Secretary Suella Braverman writes for @TheSun to warn Tory rebels - lay down your arms and get behind Liz Truss or you will hand the keys to No10 to Sir Keir Starmer
I’m minded to agree Crimea is a bit different from the other regions here, as those maps of the old 1991 referendum show. When Ukraine liberates the other annexed territories they will be met with cheering and hugs, but the Crimean population may be a different matter.
Cheering and hugs indeed. Like in Lyman. Did you see them all? "Thanks, Zelensky," the population were all chanting, "You've liberated us from the Moskali."
You're as mad as a Trump supporter, imagining stuff that you want to be true.
How do you explain, then, that its Russian troops drafted in defending newly captured lands and not -say- Ukrainians? And how do you explain the fanatical, and often suicidal defence by Ukraninans in Mauripol?
Because to an outside observer, they seem pretty fucking massive evidence that they'd rather be part of Ukraine than Russia.
At one time, Mariupol was the most pro-Russian city in Ukraine. Even more so than Sevastopol.
If even they don't want the Russians...
and they seem to have been further put off Russia by their city being flattened by Russian artillery. I can't think why.
There is no aspect of this war that has not delivered the opposite of what Putin wanted.
It will be studied throughout the annals of military and strategic history as a clusterfuck for the ages.
I guess he'll be remembered for something after all.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
He was right about Germany and Ru energy reliance.
Anything else?
Lab Leak
Fair point.
Trump does have a lot of native cunning. He's certainly not stupid. He might even be a bit of a genius, although not very stable. He definitely has useful insights because he is prepared to challenge orthodoxy
However he is also an ugly raging narcissist with zero political morals, or even beliefs (apart from his own greatness) and is a clear and present danger to American democracy
It's a shame he can't be transformed into some kind of Grecian oracle, but with no political power. America could then consult him for his bizarre but useful opinions, and ignore them as and when it pleases
EXCL - Home Secretary Suella Braverman writes for @TheSun to warn Tory rebels - lay down your arms and get behind Liz Truss or you will hand the keys to No10 to Sir Keir Starmer
EXCL - Home Secretary Suella Braverman writes for @TheSun to warn Tory rebels - lay down your arms and get behind Liz Truss or you will hand the keys to No10 to Sir Keir Starmer
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
If that's all it was he will get the whip restored in time, so his career won't be ended.
In the meantime he'd be a distraction as a minister, and if he chooses to get that pissed whilst on medication to boot clearly lacks the judgement to be one.
The days of people unable to control themselves whilst serving in office are indeed over (at least when it comes to light). Is that puritannical? Perhaps, but all they have to do is not get shitfaced at public events.
But how are you ever going to get laid if you aren't allowed to furtively grope someone in a bar?
A lot of my best relationships have started with a bit of ludicrous, embarrassing, very drunken fumbling under a table. The lady thrusts your hand away, but in an equivocal manner which says Hmmm, maybe, but come back to me when you're sober
And so it goes
Good grief. Are you joking?! Ever tried striking up a conversation?
He's literally on the cusp of advocating assault. I won't be part of this site whilst he is posting so I am off to the pub
Go for it and just remember: Grab 'em by the pussy.
He wasn't always wrong, the Donald
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
You've painted yourself into a bit of a corner there.
Donald Trump is an odious creep who was, awkwardly, absolutely right about quite a few things: discuss
He was right about Germany and Ru energy reliance.
Anything else?
Although it is of course worth remembering that not buying gas from Russia hasn't protected us or a host of other countries.
Why appoint a Home Secretary who is hardline on immigration if you’re going to want more work visas . Truss is hopeless , aswell as making too many enemies in the early part of her premiership .
Yes, well spotted: this policy division is bewilderingly inept
She has to go, no matter how crazy it makes the Tories appear
I know she had to give her a job but there were plenty of options . Now Braverman has this higher profile job I suspect she’s worked out she could position herself as the next PM if Truss gets ditched . Of course Braverman quitting and playing the martyr might help her down the line . God help us if she got the job . In that instance I would be begging Johnson to come back !
If the Tories ditch Truss then they need to change the rules to get rid of the membership runoff first. Otherwise I think Braverman has a strong chance of winning from second place as the right wing doubling down candidate.
Yep. A membership election delivers Braverman and tory MPs must know this.
I think we need a Bill that bans membership elections unless the party is in opposition.
Allies of the MP claim he had injured his ribs the weekend before the party conference and was on heavy medication to manage the pain.
They suggested the prescribed medicine made the effect of the alcohol worse.
It is not disputed by the former minister's friends that he had been drinking or that he flirted with the young man who had joined him, who, we understand, was not known to Mr Burns.
The MP was sufficiently drunk that he had to later be taken back to his hotel by a friend.
We have become absurdly puritanical. His drunken fumblings are more sad than menacing, and merit a proper ticking off, not cancellation. Unless there is more to it
What baffles me is why MPs get this pissed, where it matters. Him and Pincher and the Labour guy who punched people in the HoC bar. Virtually all adult drinkers find an equilibrium at which they don't get punching/groping/escort back to hotel drunk beyond the age at which they graduate, let alone in highest high profile work settings.
In a sample of 650 people, especially 650 people in a high-pressure career, you're bound to find some heavy drinkers.
Beyond that, in this particular case we've no way of knowing (based on the skeletal information provided) whether or not the bloke actually did anything wrong at all.
There seem to be more heavy drinkers than one would expect from a random sample of 650 members of the population!
I’m going to the Commons on Tuesday. It’s for breakfast, so I should be safe…
Comments
You're as mad as a Trump supporter, imagining stuff that you want to be true.
By their 40s at the latest most people have worked out if they are good drunks or bad drunks, and adjusted their drinking and socialising accordingly. Quite odd
ROFL
Farage will be furious and what about Suella?
Beyond that, in this particular case we've no way of knowing (based on the skeletal information provided) whether or not the bloke actually did anything wrong at all.
IF they really "think" she & they come off looking better than Gove, based on THEIR own spinning.
Wonderful
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_Jenkins
Good evening PB
Do you think the 4 referendums held by Russia last week in Ukraine territories were
i. straight
or
ii. bent?
Watch it.
Someone must take the fall and it 'aint gonna be Lizzy.
Maybe that was the plan. But the last month has meant that some kind of reckoning is coming over the next two years as well.
It's not going to be pretty, and Truss doesn't have the public trust to get out in one piece.
Oh well, couldn't happen to a nicer person.
She was maybe thinking of offering him the job of Ambassador to the UAE.
Wow. He will have been absolutely gutted to have missed that opportunity.
I know this will appall @CorrectHorseBattery2 and possibly @CorrectHorseBattery3 but it is true to say that, on occasion, I've just thought Fuck it, and grabbed a girl's thigh under a table. While smiling politely as if nothing untoward has happened
And I am afraid to say it has worked. Sometimes!
It cuts out a lot of tedious chit chat and courtship, for a start
Will be interesting to see IF this particular dingleberry gets to be Lord Dingleberry?
By interesting, I mean telling.
Right on Nordstream, right on grabbing?
It's just over 250km from the frontline in Zaporizhzhia (near Orikhiv) or further to the frontline in Kherson. I honestly don't know how they did it. Every method seems improbable. Looking forward to reading about it once the war is won.
Look at them, stupid chortling German twats. The Brits, Yanks and Ukes blew up their stupid pipeline anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfJv9QYrlwg
Are we going to one day use the 2022 Conservative Party Conference as an example of the worst gathering of and by a political party?
I thought Conferences were supposed to give the Party holding it an electoral lift - Starmer certainly did very well from the Labour Conference.
Perhaps it might have been better if the Conservatives had emulated the Liberal Democrats and cancelled their Conference - I'm sure they could have come up with a reason - a mark of respect for a former leader perhaps?
How does this end? Do the Conservative backbenchers hang on and hope, pace Micawber, something will turn up or could they go out in the biggest act of political self-immolation since Labour voted for Corbyn and the LDs U-Turned on tuition fees?
Now we are old older nearly everyone else has come to my point of view. He deserved the life in a cage he escapes.
Dear Liz: Here are my thoughts on how you can prevent our party eating itself alive - The Mail https://www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/comment/228526/dear-liz-here-are-my-thoughts-on-how-you-can-prevent-our-party-eating-itself-alive
Have you never played it the fun sexy way? It is genuinely hilarious - and can be seriously erotic
And before @CorrectHorseBattery tries to get me arrested this definitely goes both ways. A girl will blatantly put her hand where you aren't entirely expecting it. Electric!
*sinks into nostalgic reverie*
https://twitter.com/adrianmcmenamin/status/1578818047477190656?s=21&t=G9-B8gIgyPaz1q4-hjyMmQ
She has to go, no matter how crazy it makes the Tories appear
Labour has a 21 point lead over the Conservatives, the largest lead that Opinium has recorded for Labour since we have started polling.
Con 26% (-1)
Lab 47% (+1)
Lib Dems 11% (+2)
Green 6% (-n/c) https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1578824671335940098/photo/1
Anything else?
She therefore cannot realistically sack him without resigning herself.
Tricky.
Her net approval figure (-47%) is now worse than any recorded for Boris Johnson – who reached a low of -44% during Partygate – and Theresa May who reached -46% during the 2019 elections. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1578826242060865537/photo/1
Because to an outside observer, they seem pretty fucking massive evidence that they'd rather be part of Ukraine than Russia.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/
https://twitter.com/lijukic/status/1578792189257461762?s=20&t=Vb1upGHxeslxrBGO29NvWQ
💣MP says Liz Truss is like "Pol Pot" imposing Year Zero
💣Six rebel gangs are all lobbing grenades - can Liz survive?
💣Cabinet minister says Liz "kind of person who would walk into a gun fight"
https://bit.ly/3yqvjLy
I am finding it difficult to comprehend the possibility of the Truss government doing something beneficial and helpful, but I’m sure I’ll get over the shock.
Tory rebels in secret talks with Labour to derail Liz Truss' plans to curb benefits...Expect more sparks to fly when Parliament returns on Tuesday.
A rebel warns the PM "We are organised"
https://bit.ly/3eeNWLs
I was quite disturbed. Because, although she was both attractive and funny, my friend was considerably stronger than me, and was known to have a temper.
In the circumstances, I felt the risks outweighed the benefit and went for an unneeded toilet break.
If even they don't want the Russians...
and they seem to have been further put off Russia by their city being flattened by Russian artillery. I can't think why.
I’m going to the Commons on Tuesday. It’s for breakfast, so I should be safe…
If that's what we go for here then I'm leaving for good. See ya.
Until Truss is so awful that the radicals prefer Wallace-Sunak or the realists prefer Braverman-Badenoch, Truss is safe.
That hasn't happened yet, but it shouldn't take long.
https://bit.ly/3MewSBX
It will be studied throughout the annals of military and strategic history as a clusterfuck for the ages.
I guess he'll be remembered for something after all.
However he is also an ugly raging narcissist with zero political morals, or even beliefs (apart from his own greatness) and is a clear and present danger to American democracy
It's a shame he can't be transformed into some kind of Grecian oracle, but with no political power. America could then consult him for his bizarre but useful opinions, and ignore them as and when it pleases
Also, DT was probably right about the lab leak.
I think we need a Bill that bans membership elections unless the party is in opposition.