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The Cost of Lizzing Crisis [1] – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited October 9 in General
imageThe Cost of Lizzing Crisis [1] – politicalbetting.com

Remember key workers. We clapped for them a couple of years ago for a while. We were brutally reminded that it is not, in fact, the high and mighty, the wealthy and self-important, those with the most or those with the loudest voices, who make every day ordinary society work. 

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  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,322
    1st
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 42,644
    edited September 30
    FPT
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer.

    Doenitz was the last Reichsfuhrer.
    No, Goebbels was the last Reich Chancellor and Doenitz the final President (Hitler had revived the Office in his testament).

    Only on pb as they say.
    Goebbels was Kanzler, Doenitz was Fuhrer.
    Have a look at the Wiki page on Hitler’s testament and the govt he ordered to be formed.
    Goebbels was never styled "Fuhrer". He was (supposed to be) Doenitz's Chancellor.
    You are displaying HYUFD levels of obstinacy. Read the source I suggested. Anyway, this is boring, although perhaps oddly apt as we may all be on the eve of destruction.
    NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!

    In his last will and testament, Hitler named no successor as Führer or leader of the Nazi Party. Instead, he appointed Goebbels as Reich Chancellor; Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz, who was at Flensburg near the Danish border, as Reich President; and Bormann as Party Minister.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
    Er, that’s exactly what I said.

    Doenitz President
    Goebbels Chancellor
    Read Casino's original comment:

    "Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer."

    Hitler was the only Reichsfuhrer. Admittedly, I was wrong about Doenitz being Fuhrer, but Goebbels was NEVER styled "Fuhrer" either.
  • Agree 100%
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,096

    Agree 100%

    Hear hear.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Clapping was a profoundly weird moment in our history, however you are quite correct in the spectacular wrongheadedness of everything. Go for growth? Fine, but in tandem with protection and care and kindness and very basic fairness.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 19,600
    It will surprise nobody that I don't agree with the general tenor of @Cyclefree's thread header, but the headline is nicely done, and I do agree that more needs to be done to claw back the taxpayers money lost to Covid fraudsters. I can't help but think this will never be done by the civil service or police service, so should somehow be thrown over to private bounty hunters who make a commission on what they claim back. It would be a private sector solution, as well as a good example of trickle down economics. :smiley:
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 2,963
    Oh, I was assuming this post was going to have sequels.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    'September kills me with its sadness.'
    Never a truer word
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,868

    'September kills me with its sadness.'
    Never a truer word

    Byron

    But tomorrow is the first day of ROCKTOBER, so-called because the world will be rocked to its core by disaster and catastrophe! So cheer up
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,096

    It will surprise nobody that I don't agree with the general tenor of @Cyclefree's thread header, but the headline is nicely done, and I do agree that more needs to be done to claw back the taxpayers money lost to Covid fraudsters. I can't help but think this will never be done by the civil service or police service, so should somehow be thrown over to private bounty hunters who make a commission on what they claim back. It would be a private sector solution, as well as a good example of trickle down economics. :smiley:

    Abominable solution. Just think of the data access issues.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,245
    The cost of Liz = ScotCon 10% = SLab Bastion of the Union = End of the Union
  • PeterMPeterM Posts: 302

    'September kills me with its sadness.'
    Never a truer word

    mood of the country flatter than ive ever known it at present
  • Bravo, Cyclefree, bravo.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Leon said:

    'September kills me with its sadness.'
    Never a truer word

    Byron

    But tomorrow is the first day of ROCKTOBER, so-called because the world will be rocked to its core by disaster and catastrophe! So cheer up
    And we can satirise every disaster in PBs Mocktober specials
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 19,600
    Carnyx said:

    It will surprise nobody that I don't agree with the general tenor of @Cyclefree's thread header, but the headline is nicely done, and I do agree that more needs to be done to claw back the taxpayers money lost to Covid fraudsters. I can't help but think this will never be done by the civil service or police service, so should somehow be thrown over to private bounty hunters who make a commission on what they claim back. It would be a private sector solution, as well as a good example of trickle down economics. :smiley:

    Abominable solution. Just think of the data access issues.
    What issues? I think it's probably the only solution. You think the police or some spotty little herbert from the civil service is going to do anything?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,124

    FPT

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer.

    Doenitz was the last Reichsfuhrer.
    No, Goebbels was the last Reich Chancellor and Doenitz the final President (Hitler had revived the Office in his testament).

    Only on pb as they say.
    Goebbels was Kanzler, Doenitz was Fuhrer.
    Have a look at the Wiki page on Hitler’s testament and the govt he ordered to be formed.
    Goebbels was never styled "Fuhrer". He was (supposed to be) Doenitz's Chancellor.
    You are displaying HYUFD levels of obstinacy. Read the source I suggested. Anyway, this is boring, although perhaps oddly apt as we may all be on the eve of destruction.
    NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!

    In his last will and testament, Hitler named no successor as Führer or leader of the Nazi Party. Instead, he appointed Goebbels as Reich Chancellor; Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz, who was at Flensburg near the Danish border, as Reich President; and Bormann as Party Minister.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
    Er, that’s exactly what I said.

    Doenitz President
    Goebbels Chancellor
    Read Casino's original comment:

    "Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer."

    Hitler was the only Reichsfuhrer. Admittedly, I was wrong about Doenitz being Fuhrer, but Goebbels was NEVER styled "Fuhrer" either.
    One final final comment. I was ‘correcting’ both of you. Read my short but perfectly formed post again.

    (And incidentally the only Reichsfuehrer was Himmler. Hitler was simply the Fuehrer).

    I fear a ban-hammer for tedium beyond torture after 17 glorious years of unblemished service here and on a new thread too (although Mike once did send an admonitory email). So we really must leave it there.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,096

    The cost of Liz = ScotCon 10% = SLab Bastion of the Union = End of the Union

    Do you remember when we were assured that getting rid of Johnson B would lead to a huge Tory revival? I have a dim memory of HYUFD claiming that aeons and aeons ago. Maybe three weeks?
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502
    edited September 30

    Carnyx said:

    It will surprise nobody that I don't agree with the general tenor of @Cyclefree's thread header, but the headline is nicely done, and I do agree that more needs to be done to claw back the taxpayers money lost to Covid fraudsters. I can't help but think this will never be done by the civil service or police service, so should somehow be thrown over to private bounty hunters who make a commission on what they claim back. It would be a private sector solution, as well as a good example of trickle down economics. :smiley:

    Abominable solution. Just think of the data access issues.
    What issues? I think it's probably the only solution. You think the police or some spotty little herbert from the civil service is going to do anything?
    Now if the Covid fraudster was caught speeding...well...the police will be all over him/her/it/them.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    The cost of Liz = ScotCon 10% = SLab Bastion of the Union = End of the Union

    Will wee Dougie finally realise the Scottish Unionist Party is his best bet
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 19,600

    Carnyx said:

    It will surprise nobody that I don't agree with the general tenor of @Cyclefree's thread header, but the headline is nicely done, and I do agree that more needs to be done to claw back the taxpayers money lost to Covid fraudsters. I can't help but think this will never be done by the civil service or police service, so should somehow be thrown over to private bounty hunters who make a commission on what they claim back. It would be a private sector solution, as well as a good example of trickle down economics. :smiley:

    Abominable solution. Just think of the data access issues.
    What issues? I think it's probably the only solution. You think the police or some spotty little herbert from the civil service is going to do anything?
    Now if the Covid fraudster was caught speeding...well...the police will be all over him/her/it.
    Yes indeed. Also woe betide them if they say something gamey on Twitter.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,868
    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502
    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 19,600
    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Would I enjoy it? I do like things with nice clothes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,096

    The cost of Liz = ScotCon 10% = SLab Bastion of the Union = End of the Union

    Will wee Dougie finally realise the Scottish Unionist Party is his best bet
    Er, terminological confusion there in the Scottish context ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Unionist_Party_(1986)
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,673
    Truss is so awful. On every level.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 2,963
    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    I prefer THREADS II: THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,096

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Would I enjoy it? I do like things with nice clothes.

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    Just have a look at the fashion sense of the gent on the DVD cover. Not a film recommended unless you have locked up the gin and tranks on a time switch.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Threads-Blu-ray-BBC-Mick-Jackson/dp/B07JZVP6KX
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,365
    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    A laugh riot. There is an IMDB entry for “Woman who urinates herself”
  • JohnO said:

    FPT

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer.

    Doenitz was the last Reichsfuhrer.
    No, Goebbels was the last Reich Chancellor and Doenitz the final President (Hitler had revived the Office in his testament).

    Only on pb as they say.
    Goebbels was Kanzler, Doenitz was Fuhrer.
    Have a look at the Wiki page on Hitler’s testament and the govt he ordered to be formed.
    Goebbels was never styled "Fuhrer". He was (supposed to be) Doenitz's Chancellor.
    You are displaying HYUFD levels of obstinacy. Read the source I suggested. Anyway, this is boring, although perhaps oddly apt as we may all be on the eve of destruction.
    NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!

    In his last will and testament, Hitler named no successor as Führer or leader of the Nazi Party. Instead, he appointed Goebbels as Reich Chancellor; Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz, who was at Flensburg near the Danish border, as Reich President; and Bormann as Party Minister.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
    Er, that’s exactly what I said.

    Doenitz President
    Goebbels Chancellor
    Read Casino's original comment:

    "Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer."

    Hitler was the only Reichsfuhrer. Admittedly, I was wrong about Doenitz being Fuhrer, but Goebbels was NEVER styled "Fuhrer" either.
    One final final comment. I was ‘correcting’ both of you. Read my short but perfectly formed post again.

    (And incidentally the only Reichsfuehrer was Himmler. Hitler was simply the Fuehrer).

    I fear a ban-hammer for tedium beyond torture after 17 glorious years of unblemished service here and on a new thread too (although Mike once did send an admonitory email). So we really must leave it there.
    Himmler was Reichsfuehrer of the SS!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,868

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 2,771
    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Oh God, you haven't seen it.

    Don't watch. Seriously. Don't.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,673
    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    I remember being shown threads at uni. V disturbing
  • Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Jesus man, really? On a Friday night?

    I hope you don’t have a loaded revolver to hand. Or a full bath and a toaster. Or a coiled rope and a sturdy beam. It’s bleak.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,045
    Yet another coup in Burkina Faso [according to the BBC News Channel].
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,451
    Chapeau for "Cost of Lizzing". Love it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Inaccurate slur in sentence 2, I have never clapped for a key worker in my life. Otherwise not sure what point is being made.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    I prefer THREADS II: THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL.
    Instead of 80's working class Sheffield it's in 80's affluent Surrey. "eee fookin' 'ell they've gon' an' dun it" replaced with "Jerry - come here - there's an awfully big cloud blocking the sun to the Azaleas".
  • JohnO said:

    FPT

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer.

    Doenitz was the last Reichsfuhrer.
    No, Goebbels was the last Reich Chancellor and Doenitz the final President (Hitler had revived the Office in his testament).

    Only on pb as they say.
    Goebbels was Kanzler, Doenitz was Fuhrer.
    Have a look at the Wiki page on Hitler’s testament and the govt he ordered to be formed.
    Goebbels was never styled "Fuhrer". He was (supposed to be) Doenitz's Chancellor.
    You are displaying HYUFD levels of obstinacy. Read the source I suggested. Anyway, this is boring, although perhaps oddly apt as we may all be on the eve of destruction.
    NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!

    In his last will and testament, Hitler named no successor as Führer or leader of the Nazi Party. Instead, he appointed Goebbels as Reich Chancellor; Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz, who was at Flensburg near the Danish border, as Reich President; and Bormann as Party Minister.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
    Er, that’s exactly what I said.

    Doenitz President
    Goebbels Chancellor
    Read Casino's original comment:

    "Truss = Doctor Goebbels for the last 24 hours there was a Reichsfuhrer."

    Hitler was the only Reichsfuhrer. Admittedly, I was wrong about Doenitz being Fuhrer, but Goebbels was NEVER styled "Fuhrer" either.
    One final final comment. I was ‘correcting’ both of you. Read my short but perfectly formed post again.

    (And incidentally the only Reichsfuehrer was Himmler. Hitler was simply the Fuehrer).

    I fear a ban-hammer for tedium beyond torture after 17 glorious years of unblemished service here and on a new thread too (although Mike once did send an admonitory email). So we really must leave it there.
    wiki on Reichsführer-SS:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsführer-SS
  • Andy_JS said:

    Yet another coup in Burkina Faso [according to the BBC News Channel].

    wish there was one here!
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Yeah. Yeah. It does. Kind of.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,096

    Regarding Threads,

    Threads is regarded as one of the most terrifying films ever made. Thirty years after the film's release, Peter Bradshaw of The Guardian called it a "masterpiece", writing: "It wasn't until I saw Threads that I found that something on screen could make me break out in a cold, shivering sweat and keep me in that condition for 20 minutes, followed by weeks of depression and anxiety."

    No thanks.

    FPT As GW says ...

    Memories of those years. Watching FB-111 low overhead. Going to Greenham Common for an airshow and seeing the bunkers.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,365
    IshmaelZ said:

    Inaccurate slur in sentence 2, I have never clapped for a key worker in my life. Otherwise not sure what point is being made.

    Personally I’m not sure why the fuss was made for people who worked at Timpsons and other locksmiths. We should have applauded nurses etc
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,868
    I like the soft comedy of THREADS so far. It's warm and amiable, but I bet there's going to be a murder later, or something a bit darker, anyway
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    For a more comic view of life in ante-apocalyptic, Trussterfucked Britain, I wholeheartedly recommend this short video.

    It’s not entirely SFW, but it’s Friday night in the UK, so fill your boots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLLQFLXz6VE
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Inaccurate slur in sentence 2, I have never clapped for a key worker in my life. Otherwise not sure what point is being made.

    Personally I’m not sure why the fuss was made for people who worked at Timpsons and other locksmiths. We should have applauded nurses etc
    I thought it was piano tuners
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    edited September 30
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Wait till they get to the bitch fights in the underground local government shelter. Hilarious.
    Reece Dinsdale is a massive pussy in the film generally.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 11,000
    FPT - for which, apologies


    1. Scrap council tax and do a 2% annual property tax already, payable by estates or on sale if you can’t pay in the year.

    2. Inheritance tax at 20% for all non property assets.

    On point 1, are we talking about an annual valuation of every property or simply applying an inflationary uplift base don he house price index in a particular area.

    So, let's say Stodge Towers is worth £500k - I would therefore pay £10k per year in property tax. That's well in front of Council Tax. What would you do with commercial property - apply a similar figure?

    What about Land Value Taxation ( a good old LD policy) rather than a property tax? Tax the land your property is on rather than the property so for a block of flats the freeholder gets to pay for the land while the leaseholders are taxed on their property.

    Reduce the tax to 1%, include land and think about commercial property.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,365
    edited September 30
    IshmaelZ said:

    DougSeal said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Inaccurate slur in sentence 2, I have never clapped for a key worker in my life. Otherwise not sure what point is being made.

    Personally I’m not sure why the fuss was made for people who worked at Timpsons and other locksmiths. We should have applauded nurses etc
    I thought it was piano tuners
    Maybe dockers and stevedores? Quay workers.
  • Nice article @Cyclefree !
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,148
    We ought to be taxing land.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Bit of Threads trivia, when the first nuke goes off and you see the mushroom cloud a woman pisses herself. 'Woman who wets herself' is her sole acting credit on IMDB
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 19,600
    darkage said:

    FPT

    darkage said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Who is the unity candidate for Tory party MPs realising that they face certain disaster at the polls unless Truss is replaced. They would have a year to 18 months to turn things around. Cometh the hour....

    Probably Tugendhat, no known enemies
    Tugendhat has one month's experience in government. It would be crazy to make him leader. The only 'safe pair of hands' options would be May or possibly Hunt.
    He's about the only proper unity candidate though.
    Hunt is just too far from the Spartans etc to hold it together i think, hes yesterdays man
    May is possible, yes, but would be 'take us gently into the twilight' leader for the Tories
    I reckon Wallace would do it if it came to it.
    But not without Sunak as Chancellor.
    Wallace/ Sunak would be a gamechanger.

    I'd pound the streets for that.
    Sunak has been entirely vindicated. What he said in the debates has come true

    Sacking Truss and installing him might actually show the markets that the government gets it. So it has to be him, with someone else? Mordaunt? Hunt? Wallace?

    Sunak as PM and Mordaunt or May as CoE?

    It's not going to save the election but it would steady the ship of state...

    Again the Tories have three choices: sack Truss, back Truss, or call a GE. One of those three. Choose, you fucks, end this turmoil
    I don't think that the 'turmoil' can actually be ended, there are too many difficult external problems. What we need is someone with the appropriate temperament and judgement to be PM. Truss has proved already to be not up to the task.
    Based on the evidence we have, that's not true. Truss set out her policy programme, and is implementing it. She defended her approach well at PMQs, actually answering her questions, and she has defended her policies in back to back interviews, where again, she pauses (clearly the crime of the century), thinks about her answer, and gives a proper answer. She's already withstood more political and media headwinds than Boris did at any one time in his miserable Prime Ministerial career, and not given an inch. It cannot be easy with every fat-arsed jelly-spined middle aged middle class twat, including the so-called Tories, joining the remoaner backing singers in the chorus for her to go, and bugger me if it doesn't make me want to support her all the more.
    Well, what I am seeing is this. She set out a policy programme, yes (the growth plan) which went down like a bucket of sick and then she disappeared for 5 days, allowing the narrative to take hold that the government 'were borrowing money to fund a 5% tax cut for the extremely rich', and whilst the markets went in to chaos, and people found out that their mortgages "would be increasing by £10,000 per year" due to a rise in interest rates that she denied would happen a few weeks before, branding it 'project fear'.

    The substantive policy, 'investment zones' are another variant of a familiar theme, 'enterprise zones', which came about in the 80's (with some success) then again in the 10's ('enterprise zones') and 20's (freeports), the latter being vague shadows of real meaningful things that happened in the past. The latest version has been invented in about 5 minutes, involving tax breaks (ok but then what happens to the tax reciepts?) and vague ideas about tearing up planning rules which in turns out aren't really being torn up, because she has confirmed that government planning policies will still apply, as is always the case.

    There is nothing substantive in any of this. It is all a load of bullsh*t. I normally vote conservative in the hope that politicians will deliver a kind of benign incompetence, like we got from Theresa May and to a lesser extent, Boris Johnson. But Liz Truss comes across to me as mad and dangerous. The danger with Truss is greater even than with the Labour party, particularly with Starmer leading it. This is born out by the real "evidence", the recent polling results, which show a massive switch to labour.
    Your critique is completely inconsistent. You complain that she's mad and dangerous, but at the same time you criticise the enterprise zones for being insufficiently radical. So what exactly is your issue; that she's going too far, or not far enough?

    We already know what Freeports are, and they're going in to place. Enterprise zones seem to me to be a welcome addition to that, surrounding the hinterland of freeports with areas subject to easier taxes, lower regulations, and looser planning restrictions, or at least an expedited process. I have seen nothing to suggest that Liz will underdeliver - she has been 100% consistent thus far.

    When the markets did what they did, I believe it was the right approach not to comment (and to use the convention of the Labour party conference to avoid doing so), as to do so could have made the situation worse, see Tony idiot Blair in his hazmat suit during foot and mouth. She still kept her scheduled interviews and was grilled remorselessly and held up well.

    As for the sort of 'benign' incompetence - the managerial approach we've seen from Major onwards, that has actually been a process of fairly consistent economical decline, and more and more dependence on borrowing. We can't afford that any more. Starmer can't put a plaster and make the arterial bleeding go away - we need a radical return to growth, and a realistic energy policy, and his energy policy has been revealed as the same dangerous virtue signalling claptrap that got us here in the first place.
  • It will surprise nobody that I don't agree with the general tenor of @Cyclefree's thread header, but the headline is nicely done, and I do agree that more needs to be done to claw back the taxpayers money lost to Covid fraudsters. I can't help but think this will never be done by the civil service or police service, so should somehow be thrown over to private bounty hunters who make a commission on what they claim back. It would be a private sector solution, as well as a good example of trickle down economics. :smiley:

    Disagreeing with the "general tenor" is denying the evidence in front of your face. Unless in LG world all of the brilliant health and education staff are actually getting payrises worth their salt. Meanwhile you Trussites keep insisting the sky is green despite everyone being able to see it is blue, then wonder where all the votes went.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502
    Leon said:

    I like the soft comedy of THREADS so far. It's warm and amiable, but I bet there's going to be a murder later, or something a bit darker, anyway

    At least the couple can afford to rent a half-decent flat I suppose. So there's that bit of unrealistic plot for the modern audience. Before. Well. Things go to shit.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    edited September 30

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No that was The War Game from 1965
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 2,963

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Bit of Threads trivia, when the first nuke goes off and you see the mushroom cloud a woman pisses herself. 'Woman who wets herself' is her sole acting credit on IMDB
    Perhaps she was afraid of being typecast. Or maybe Threads was sufficient to put her off acting forever.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Bit of Threads trivia, when the first nuke goes off and you see the mushroom cloud a woman pisses herself. 'Woman who wets herself' is her sole acting credit on IMDB
    Person who wets themselves. Please!!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 2,771

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Bit of Threads trivia, when the first nuke goes off and you see the mushroom cloud a woman pisses herself. 'Woman who wets herself' is her sole acting credit on IMDB
    Yeah, but it is a more memorable scene than many actors have managed in a whole career.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,204
    Good header. The only positive thing about this situation is that the failings of Liz Truss have been revealed in a brutal and dramatic way, and the recent polls show that she is hated by the public at the point when she should be in her honeymoon period. This means that there is a greater than theoretical possibility of immediate, radical corrective action by Conservative MPs.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,365

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No - they showed it originally in 1983 and followed it up with a debate
  • stodgestodge Posts: 11,000
    As I'm "on a journey" apparently it would be churlish in this period of Government baiting not to point out some more positive developments in the world of transport.

    After the lunatic abrasiveness of Grant Schapps, Anne-Marie Trevelyan has made a far more positive start as Transport Minister acknowledging the right of unions to fight for the best deal for their members and encouraging all sides to negotiate. It's drawn favourable comment from the RMT and Sadiq Khan.

    Perhaps if they can get out from the shadow of the numbskulls at No.10 and No.11, there may actually be the odd brighter spark in this new Cabinet.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Bit of Threads trivia, when the first nuke goes off and you see the mushroom cloud a woman pisses herself. 'Woman who wets herself' is her sole acting credit on IMDB
    Perhaps she was afraid of being typecast. Or maybe Threads was sufficient to put her off acting forever.
    They made her go to actual Sheffield for filming. Enough!
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,365

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No that was The War Game from 1965
    My English teacher at school played the Bishop of Rochester in The War Game.
  • Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    yes banned for being too depictive and frightening -unlike of course the public information films about what to do when the 4 minute warning sounds - build a shelter , grand designs would be proud of OR hide under a table
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    POTUS Jimmy Carter is 98 tomorrow.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,868
    Ah, I think I've spotted the themes, and maybe a comedy villain

    THREADS is like a genial soap opera but its actually got a slightly more serious side, that maybe a lot of people don't see
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    edited September 30
    stodge said:

    FPT - for which, apologies


    1. Scrap council tax and do a 2% annual property tax already, payable by estates or on sale if you can’t pay in the year.

    2. Inheritance tax at 20% for all non property assets.

    On point 1, are we talking about an annual valuation of every property or simply applying an inflationary uplift base don he house price index in a particular area.

    So, let's say Stodge Towers is worth £500k - I would therefore pay £10k per year in property tax. That's well in front of Council Tax. What would you do with commercial property - apply a similar figure?

    What about Land Value Taxation ( a good old LD policy) rather than a property tax? Tax the land your property is on rather than the property so for a block of flats the freeholder gets to pay for the land while the leaseholders are taxed on their property.

    Reduce the tax to 1%, include land and think about commercial property.
    Annual appraisal.
    Yes, all property treated equally.
    Yes, you would pay £10k. Tough.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,096

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No that was The War Game from 1965
    It was. Peter Watkins was the director.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,365

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Bit of Threads trivia, when the first nuke goes off and you see the mushroom cloud a woman pisses herself. 'Woman who wets herself' is her sole acting credit on IMDB
    Perhaps she was afraid of being typecast. Or maybe Threads was sufficient to put her off acting forever.
    They made her go to actual Sheffield for filming. Enough!
    The story is that when filming the later post nuke scenes up on the moors the weather was beautiful and they had to keep reminding extras to look miserable

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    edited September 30

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    yes banned for being too depictive and frightening -unlike of course the public information films about what to do when the 4 minute warning sounds - build a shelter , grand designs would be proud of OR hide under a table
    The protect and survive public info shorts are on youtube.
  • POTUS Jimmy Carter is 98 tomorrow.

    is he the oldest ever former President or UK prime minister?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No that was The War Game from 1965
    My English teacher at school played the Bishop of Rochester in The War Game.
    That’s nothing.
    Leon of this parish played woman who pisses herself in Threads.

  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502
    Leon said:

    Ah, I think I've spotted the themes, and maybe a comedy villain

    THREADS is like a genial soap opera but its actually got a slightly more serious side, that maybe a lot of people don't see

    Got to the big bang yet?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 148
    Couldn't help noticing this evening that the latest US aid package to Ukraine takes the total aid to $65bn. With dollar-pound parity, that's exactly what the BoE is spending to clean up Truss and Kwarteng's vomit, isn't it?

    That puts a horrifyingly stark spin on their idiocy, in my view.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,453
    I don't see why we should treat people who at Timson's any differently from people doing other jobs.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    yes banned for being too depictive and frightening -unlike of course the public information films about what to do when the 4 minute warning sounds - build a shelter , grand designs would be proud of OR hide under a table
    When you hear the air attack warning you and your family must take cover!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 19,600

    It will surprise nobody that I don't agree with the general tenor of @Cyclefree's thread header, but the headline is nicely done, and I do agree that more needs to be done to claw back the taxpayers money lost to Covid fraudsters. I can't help but think this will never be done by the civil service or police service, so should somehow be thrown over to private bounty hunters who make a commission on what they claim back. It would be a private sector solution, as well as a good example of trickle down economics. :smiley:

    Disagreeing with the "general tenor" is denying the evidence in front of your face. Unless in LG world all of the brilliant health and education staff are actually getting payrises worth their salt. Meanwhile you Trussites keep insisting the sky is green despite everyone being able to see it is blue, then wonder where all the votes went.
    I would like enough wealth to be created so that we can afford to pay those people what they deserve. I don't know if Truss and Kwarteng have all the answers, but at the moment, they're the only ones asking the questions.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,453
    PeterM said:

    'September kills me with its sadness.'
    Never a truer word

    mood of the country flatter than ive ever known it at present
    Are you in Russia?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,154
    edited September 30

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    yes banned for being too depictive and frightening -unlike of course the public information films about what to do when the 4 minute warning sounds - build a shelter , grand designs would be proud of OR hide under a table
    When you hear the air attack warning you and your family must take cover!
    Have you cancelled the milk ? If not do it now .

    Do not cancel your TV license - This will be needed to instruct you on how to removed dead bodies and to tell you which remaining government (who just fked up your life ) will have control over you
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    edited September 30

    For a more comic view of life in ante-apocalyptic, Trussterfucked Britain, I wholeheartedly recommend this short video.

    It’s not entirely SFW, but it’s Friday night in the UK, so fill your boots.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLLQFLXz6VE

    I’m upthreading this one more time.

    It’s like BartyBobbins, William Glen and BigG, channeled by Dura Ace.

    Don’t say I didn’t want you.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Bit of Threads trivia, when the first nuke goes off and you see the mushroom cloud a woman pisses herself. 'Woman who wets herself' is her sole acting credit on IMDB
    Perhaps she was afraid of being typecast. Or maybe Threads was sufficient to put her off acting forever.
    They made her go to actual Sheffield for filming. Enough!
    The story is that when filming the later post nuke scenes up on the moors the weather was beautiful and they had to keep reminding extras to look miserable

    The yummy dead sheep scene for example. Nom nom nom
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,226
    ...
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    yes banned for being too depictive and frightening -unlike of course the public information films about what to do when the 4 minute warning sounds - build a shelter , grand designs would be proud of OR hide under a table
    When you hear the air attack warning you and your family must take cover!
    Have you cancelled the milk ? If not do it now .
    Also make sure your central heating and all electrical items are switched off. You don't want a huge electricity bill to add to your woes after this.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    yes banned for being too depictive and frightening -unlike of course the public information films about what to do when the 4 minute warning sounds - build a shelter , grand designs would be proud of OR hide under a table
    When you hear the air attack warning you and your family must take cover!
    Have you cancelled the milk ? If not do it now .
    Also make sure your central heating and all electrical items are switched off. You don't want a huge electricity bill to add to your woes after this.
    Look at what happened to Lister in Red Dwarf
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    @Leon

    On the pipe explosion:



    Dan Nexon
    @dhnexon
    Nord Stream 🧵

    Two questions keep on showing up in my TL: "Who sabotaged the pipeline?" and "If Putin ordered it, why would he do that?" I'm going to address the second one. https://cnn.com/2022/09/28/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-leak-russian-navy-ships

    First of all, the answer is less important than people sometimes assume.

    https://twitter.com/dhnexon/status/1575861640322764800
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,245
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    SCon 3%. One point ahead of Alba. How low can The Linesman go?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176
    Threads is horrible.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 10,540

    stodge said:

    FPT - for which, apologies


    1. Scrap council tax and do a 2% annual property tax already, payable by estates or on sale if you can’t pay in the year.

    2. Inheritance tax at 20% for all non property assets.

    On point 1, are we talking about an annual valuation of every property or simply applying an inflationary uplift base don he house price index in a particular area.

    So, let's say Stodge Towers is worth £500k - I would therefore pay £10k per year in property tax. That's well in front of Council Tax. What would you do with commercial property - apply a similar figure?

    What about Land Value Taxation ( a good old LD policy) rather than a property tax? Tax the land your property is on rather than the property so for a block of flats the freeholder gets to pay for the land while the leaseholders are taxed on their property.

    Reduce the tax to 1%, include land and think about commercial property.
    Annual appraisal.
    Yes, all property treated equally.
    Yes, you would pay £10k. Tough.
    The proportional property tax is suggesting a rate of 0.48% in order to replace stamp duty, council tax, the bedroom tax and raise an additional few billion quid. Going straight to a rate of 2% is overkill. Even if it was desirable as an end state, it would cause less disruption to get there gradually over time, so that people could adjust.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Don't. Watch. it. Really. Just. Don't.
    So far I really like it. An affectionate portrayal of northern English life in the 1980s. Hope it stays this good
    Um..
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    edited September 30

    stodge said:

    FPT - for which, apologies


    1. Scrap council tax and do a 2% annual property tax already, payable by estates or on sale if you can’t pay in the year.

    2. Inheritance tax at 20% for all non property assets.

    On point 1, are we talking about an annual valuation of every property or simply applying an inflationary uplift base don he house price index in a particular area.

    So, let's say Stodge Towers is worth £500k - I would therefore pay £10k per year in property tax. That's well in front of Council Tax. What would you do with commercial property - apply a similar figure?

    What about Land Value Taxation ( a good old LD policy) rather than a property tax? Tax the land your property is on rather than the property so for a block of flats the freeholder gets to pay for the land while the leaseholders are taxed on their property.

    Reduce the tax to 1%, include land and think about commercial property.
    Annual appraisal.
    Yes, all property treated equally.
    Yes, you would pay £10k. Tough.
    The proportional property tax is suggesting a rate of 0.48% in order to replace stamp duty, council tax, the bedroom tax and raise an additional few billion quid. Going straight to a rate of 2% is overkill. Even if it was desirable as an end state, it would cause less disruption to get there gradually over time, so that people could adjust.
    The idea is to move toward wealth and away from income. So reduce income tax accordingly.

    But I take your point.
  • maxh said:

    Couldn't help noticing this evening that the latest US aid package to Ukraine takes the total aid to $65bn. With dollar-pound parity, that's exactly what the BoE is spending to clean up Truss and Kwarteng's vomit, isn't it?

    That puts a horrifyingly stark spin on their idiocy, in my view.

    both are very dangerous
  • DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No that was The War Game from 1965
    My English teacher at school played the Bishop of Rochester in The War Game.
    bless him
  • glwglw Posts: 8,788
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No that was The War Game from 1965
    It was. Peter Watkins was the director.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/
    A better film than Threads, which is also very good.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,226
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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,453

    POTUS Jimmy Carter is 98 tomorrow.

    Will he run in 2024, d'you think?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Tic, toc.

  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,502
    edited September 30
    glw said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Here goes then. THREADS. It better be as jolly and entertaining as you all promise

    Is this the one the BBC banned for years?
    No that was The War Game from 1965
    It was. Peter Watkins was the director.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059894/
    A better film than Threads, which is also very good.
    For unbridled true misery and despair When the Wind Blows knocks everything I think.

    Apart from Labour winning a General Election that is. Ha. Ha.
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