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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    A meltdown in UK assets during Liz Truss’s first month as prime minister has left the sterling corporate bond market notching up its worst monthly return ever https://trib.al/TlGtOS0
  • Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Scott_xP said:

    Jonathan said:

    maxh said:

    nico679 said:

    Where is the electoral mandate for this low tax and smaller state economy . Truss and Kwarteng are determined to change the UKs economic model with absolutely no democratic consent .

    Nonsense.
    Care to elaborate? Genuinely interested

    Democratic consent was given at the GE.
    Truss and Kwarteng claim that this a new era. It does not add up.
    No sense whatever of an imminent U-turn in Downing Street on Budget. One source says: 'We've got an 80-seat majority and we've done nothing with it. We have an opportunity now to push through reforms to things that have been holding Britain back for years. If not now, when?'
    https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1575866749106327552
    Right after the worst of Covid was the time, if they wanted to use that big majority. But they acted like a small majority government afraid of every little thing.

    Now they left it so late they lacked the political capital for it, the arrogant disregard for anyone not rich bleeds through it all, and, the real killer, if they wanted to do it they should have planned it properly.

    As it is they've clearly had no clue it would be Ill recieved and have had very little response to criticisms other than to say they 'believe' in it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Trouble is, some people quite like that sort of thing. Danger of confusion.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    edited October 2022
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    I think the argument here is that we've all been living it up at the expense of the richest people in society and now it's time for that to end. https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1576115785197445120/photo/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Scott_xP said:

    kle4 said:

    Did she move so fast as she wanted to get praised at conference or something? People were pushing on the energy stuff but the other stuff could wait

    Why wait?

    You've got the keys to the Ferrari

    Do you nip to the shops at 30, or do you find the nearest stretch of A road and floor it?
    I wait until I'm out of the showroom at least.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    Good morning, everyone.

    Whatever else one thinks of her, Truss must be the most successful Lib Dem sleeper agent in history.

    Given Labour’s ratings the risk now is that she will overshoot and create another 1997.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
    It's actually quite a surprise to find how many people on PB have not watched the key triad (to use an appropriate term) of films. Maybe it's a generation thing.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Reece Dinsdale went on to star in “Home to Roost” with John Thaw. A marked change in tone, but at least he wasn’t typecast.
  • Mr. Divvie, would you give the constituent parts of the UK a veto on matters like that in a referendum?

    I'm not sure that's right. A British vote should weigh equally. It'd be slightly bonkers if everywhere except Wales wanted to rejoin the EU and the Welsh vote stopped us doing so.

    There are positions between giving an outright veto and zero consultation with or acknowledgment of the attitudes of a member nation of a union. NI is an example of in between, Scotland of shut your faces and get with our programme.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,659
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Time to get out my mostly eighties War and Peace Spotify playlist from February to cheer you up:

    https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4LybGX1d2YvaFIHB3VAxXx?si=QpO6oBD0RMqZZjboUqWyZQ&utm_source=copy-link
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    kle4 said:

    The government is exhibiting fiscal discipline in the same way that Flaminius showed emotional control as he chased Hannibal to Lake Trasimene.

    We still have Cannae to come then
    Great.
    Cannae wait.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    darkage said:

    I was just thinking about how things may evolve.
    The tories seem hell bent on doubling down.
    The possible outcome seems to be to shore up their base of wealthy southern and rural constituencies. (although even if this is the case, they are going in to an unwise battle with them over planning reform - which makes you wonder, is there any political strategy at all?).
    But I wondered... looking at the regional polling that came out yesterday, what is the likelihood of an 'independent group' of red wall tory MPs forming?
    Could this be the end game for the current 'growth plans'?

    Planning reform will be dropped, never you doubt. Piss of the shires when popularity has plummeted? Not a chance.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Scott_xP said:

    kle4 said:

    I wonder if they'll go ridiculous and claim they are not backing down even when they are, or go super prissy and moan that the bad media not getting has ruined their chance to give money back to rich people I mean help people.

    Assuming they do completely crash and burn, it will be the fault of Remainer civil servants, left wing markets and ill-informed press.

    Their sacred project will live on, never having been "tried properly"
    Anti semite remainer civil servants I think is the Truss approved descriptor
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,332
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
    I’ve seen that. Very fine

    But not in the same league as THREADS. None of them are. Not The Day After, not War Game

    Threads strikes me as one of those perfect low budget British movies where everything miraculously comes together - theme, actors, location, script, research, ideas - and you get a masterpiece that grows in reputation over time

    Withnail and Wickerman seem apt comparisons

    Threads has gone straight into my top ten movies ever. At my advanced age, that seldom happens
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    That's nuts.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Simon Clarke is flagging return to austerity in @thetimes interview. But where’s the mandate?

    Boris Johnson pledged govt would "not go back to the austerity of 10 years ago" in June 2020.

    Truss said in July 2022: “I’m very clear I’m not planning public spending reductions”.


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1576120213069656065/photo/1
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    That's nuts.
    The meat and two veg of current politics.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,659
    kle4 said:

    darkage said:

    I was just thinking about how things may evolve.
    The tories seem hell bent on doubling down.
    The possible outcome seems to be to shore up their base of wealthy southern and rural constituencies. (although even if this is the case, they are going in to an unwise battle with them over planning reform - which makes you wonder, is there any political strategy at all?).
    But I wondered... looking at the regional polling that came out yesterday, what is the likelihood of an 'independent group' of red wall tory MPs forming?
    Could this be the end game for the current 'growth plans'?

    Planning reform will be dropped, never you doubt. Piss of the shires when popularity has plummeted? Not a chance.
    With Truss? Every chance!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    “The more the bourses convulse, the surer the government will be that it is on to something”
    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1576121380109967361
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
    I’ve seen that. Very fine

    But not in the same league as THREADS. None of them are. Not The Day After, not War Game

    Threads strikes me as one of those perfect low budget British movies where everything miraculously comes together - theme, actors, location, script, research, ideas - and you get a masterpiece that grows in reputation over time

    Withnail and Wickerman seem apt comparisons

    Threads has gone straight into my top ten movies ever. At my advanced age, that seldom happens
    Watch the documentary posted up thread. It’s the precursor to Threads. Some sardonic wit.

    Threads is important. Only the BBC could have done that.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Go with "A Serbian Film" for tonight's viewing material.
    Ewwww I could have done without that. Congrats on making a mark even by your standards with your 10,000th post.

    And just to make you bang your head against the wall I'm off to the 50th anniversary of Panther cars today. Still might buy one. Missed 2 so far by quicker buyers. Not a Lima though. Going a bit more upmarket.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    A good header which reads more like a call for revolution than for a leisurely two year wait for a change of government.

    But why not? There certainly seems to be plenty of anger around at the moment
  • Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Where did you watch it? Is it available for streaming somewhere or did you buy a DVD? I'd quite like to watch it to get some tips.
    The only real tip is to stock up on some opiates or such like to ease you painlessly from this world if you’re unfortunate enough to survive the bombs.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Simon Clarke is flagging return to austerity in @thetimes interview. But where’s the mandate?

    Boris Johnson pledged govt would "not go back to the austerity of 10 years ago" in June 2020.

    Truss said in July 2022: “I’m very clear I’m not planning public spending reductions”.


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1576120213069656065/photo/1

    Of course she wasn't planning spending cuts. She's a libertarian; government planning is bad. Departments will have to spontaneously self-oganise in response to the invisible iron fist (velvet gloves sold off to raise money).
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    She said it more than once
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,332

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Where did you watch it? Is it available for streaming somewhere or did you buy a DVD? I'd quite like to watch it to get some tips.
    The only real tip is to stock up on some opiates or such like to ease you painlessly from this world if you’re unfortunate enough to survive the bombs.
    The tip is to drive TO the centre of the nearest blast and be vapourised painlessly in a second

    You don’t want to be in the second and third tiers of lifelong suffering
  • ..
    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Go with "A Serbian Film" for tonight's viewing material.
    Ewwww I could have done without that. Congrats on making a mark even by your standards with your 10,000th post.

    And just to make you bang your head against the wall I'm off to the 50th anniversary of Panther cars today. Still might buy one. Missed 2 so far by quicker buyers. Not a Lima though. Going a bit more upmarket.
    Go for it!


  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,459
    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    ..

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Go with "A Serbian Film" for tonight's viewing material.
    Ewwww I could have done without that. Congrats on making a mark even by your standards with your 10,000th post.

    And just to make you bang your head against the wall I'm off to the 50th anniversary of Panther cars today. Still might buy one. Missed 2 so far by quicker buyers. Not a Lima though. Going a bit more upmarket.
    Go for it!


    What the hell is that? Looks like FAB 1 for sunny days.
  • A few comments wrapping up some of the topics.

    1. Economically, the post from @williamglenn quoting the Fox Business tweet suggesting the Fed is concerned about systemic risk from rising interest rates is the key economic issue. It suggests the Fed is going to scale back on interest rate increases and may even reverse some.

    I've always taken the view the Fed's moves are essentially political to show US voters they are doing something on inflation (even though raising interest rates does little to cool a lot of the underlying causes). Given the midterms are next month, we may see a reverse ferret from the Fed using the excuse of market turmoil as a reason to change course.

    2. Re nukes in Ukraine, bear in mind the last thing China wants is Russia using nukes as that will automatically make China's strategic positioning far worse as Japan at least and possibly S Korea and Taiwan go for nukes. This Xi will do everything to stop Putin using such weapons
  • Scott_xP said:

    Simon Clarke is flagging return to austerity in @thetimes interview. But where’s the mandate?

    Boris Johnson pledged govt would "not go back to the austerity of 10 years ago" in June 2020.

    Truss said in July 2022: “I’m very clear I’m not planning public spending reductions”.


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1576120213069656065/photo/1

    The mandate is We Are Masters Of The Universe.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Oh? You wanted to become a lawyer that early?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited October 2022
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Where did you watch it? Is it available for streaming somewhere or did you buy a DVD? I'd quite like to watch it to get some tips.
    The only real tip is to stock up on some opiates or such like to ease you painlessly from this world if you’re unfortunate enough to survive the bombs.
    The tip is to drive TO the centre of the nearest blast and be vapourised painlessly in a second
    Damn, I was hoping it was like a homeopathic thing where you want the poison as it will somehow help even if it seems stupid. I call it the Truss approach.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    edited October 2022

    ..

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Go with "A Serbian Film" for tonight's viewing material.
    Ewwww I could have done without that. Congrats on making a mark even by your standards with your 10,000th post.

    And just to make you bang your head against the wall I'm off to the 50th anniversary of Panther cars today. Still might buy one. Missed 2 so far by quicker buyers. Not a Lima though. Going a bit more upmarket.
    Go for it!


    Not that one nor the ghastly Rolls Royce clone.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    Dianne Abbott didn't get any grace for a "slip of the tongue", so neither does Liz Truss. Liz Truss is a moron who doesn't know what she's doing.
    Fair point. My question is this - do you think Truss thinks the bills are capped at £2500? I don’t, but sadly the way the cap has been reported has confused a lot of people.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Carnyx said:

    ..

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Go with "A Serbian Film" for tonight's viewing material.
    Ewwww I could have done without that. Congrats on making a mark even by your standards with your 10,000th post.

    And just to make you bang your head against the wall I'm off to the 50th anniversary of Panther cars today. Still might buy one. Missed 2 so far by quicker buyers. Not a Lima though. Going a bit more upmarket.
    Go for it!


    What the hell is that? Looks like FAB 1 for sunny days.
    Panther made some, how can I put it, interesting cars.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    Dianne Abbott didn't get any grace for a "slip of the tongue", so neither does Liz Truss. Liz Truss is a moron who doesn't know what she's doing.
    Quite. You front a policy, and if people follow your words, they can't be blamed if you screw up - especially if it is *already* a known common misunderstanding. IIRC Which, Moneysavingexpert, etc. have all been warning about the confusion caused by the "cap" term. And Ms Truss has doubled down on this confusion.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,459
    Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    Post-dinner activity?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Farooq said:

    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?

    Why does anyone watch their home videos?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    In the hope of dinosex scenes?
  • Carnyx said:

    ..

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Go with "A Serbian Film" for tonight's viewing material.
    Ewwww I could have done without that. Congrats on making a mark even by your standards with your 10,000th post.

    And just to make you bang your head against the wall I'm off to the 50th anniversary of Panther cars today. Still might buy one. Missed 2 so far by quicker buyers. Not a Lima though. Going a bit more upmarket.
    Go for it!


    What the hell is that? Looks like FAB 1 for sunny days.
    A Panther 6 apparently.


  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Analysis via ⁦@joepike⁩ on eve of Tory conference: “The PM already cuts a diminished figure after squandering much of her political capital - damaging her party's reputation for economic management and demoralising many of her MPs”
    https://news.sky.com/story/as-tory-conference-looms-the-pm-cuts-a-diminished-figure-after-squandering-much-of-her-political-capital-12708836
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Carnyx said:

    ..

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Go with "A Serbian Film" for tonight's viewing material.
    Ewwww I could have done without that. Congrats on making a mark even by your standards with your 10,000th post.

    And just to make you bang your head against the wall I'm off to the 50th anniversary of Panther cars today. Still might buy one. Missed 2 so far by quicker buyers. Not a Lima though. Going a bit more upmarket.
    Go for it!


    What the hell is that? Looks like FAB 1 for sunny days.
    Panther Six. At that point you might as well say, Fuck It, and get a Wolfrace Sonic.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Tax cuts for the rich paid for by your children’s education.

    That’s quite a look the Tories are going for.

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/school-budget-cuts-follow-national-insurance-change/
  • What is the largest actual majority we think Labour could achieve?
  • Carnyx said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
    It's actually quite a surprise to find how many people on PB have not watched the key triad (to use an appropriate term) of films. Maybe it's a generation thing.
    I picked up Where The Wind Blows in the library when I was about 10 years old - cartoons, same size as an Asterix or Tintin book, I thought it was a kids book. It isn’t.

    A hugely powerful book for me. To have stayed with me so vividly is a mark of its impact on my young mind.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,659

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    It wasn't a slip of the tongue, she repeated it several times on the BBC local radio interviews. She genuinely got it wrong.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    Reflecting on the mornings comments I was struck by the thought that LT is only in power because of her predecessors dishonesty and perceived incompetence. Not because of his policies.

    She has no mandate to change policy dramatically.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Simon Clarke is flagging return to austerity in @thetimes interview. But where’s the mandate?

    Boris Johnson pledged govt would "not go back to the austerity of 10 years ago" in June 2020.

    Truss said in July 2022: “I’m very clear I’m not planning public spending reductions”.


    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1576120213069656065/photo/1

    It’s almost as if the Tories are a bunch of lying bastards. Who knew?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,089
    Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    A T. rex would be horrified at Jurassic Park showing its peers without their usual feathery covering.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Those Truss and Kwarteng pieces will convince no one. There's no comms solution here because it's not a comms problem. It's like trying to save your house from a flood by painting it.
    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1575975543958142977
  • What is the largest actual majority we think Labour could achieve?

    704
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497
    Cyclefree is on the ball as always. However as so often more than one strand of the many problems can get confused.

    In terms of presentation obviously this is a disaster. In one bound Truss and co manage both to spook the people who actually have some say over trillions and to devastate the lives and opinions of ordinary middle ground punters. This takes skill. And there is a special advanced skill in giving away hundreds of billions of free money and getting no credit for it.

    Books will be written about this.

    However, the real problem is not the presentation disaster of giving away a few billion to the rich. These sums are accounting footnotes. The real problem is that we are in a cycle, and have been since 2008 at least of borrowing to live beyond our means and affording it by artificial zero/negative interest rates.

    We are still in it. Bank crisis, Covid, Ukraine, and now Energy. Next it will be housing/mortgages to be met by oceans of free money.

    On this matter solutions seem more distant.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,360
    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
    I’ve seen that. Very fine

    But not in the same league as THREADS. None of them are. Not The Day After, not War Game

    Threads strikes me as one of those perfect low budget British movies where everything miraculously comes together - theme, actors, location, script, research, ideas - and you get a masterpiece that grows in reputation over time

    Withnail and Wickerman seem apt comparisons

    Threads has gone straight into my top ten movies ever. At my advanced age, that seldom happens
    Watch the documentary posted up thread. It’s the precursor to Threads. Some sardonic wit.

    Threads is important. Only the BBC could have done that.
    Threads and Se7en are, I think, the two most frightening films that I ever watched.

    The things about Threads is that it's so plausible, and happening to people just like you and me. And, the survivors really are the unlucky ones.
  • Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    A T. rex would be horrified at Jurassic Park showing its peers without their usual feathery covering.
    Or he might find it quite hot.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    A T. rex would be horrified at Jurassic Park showing its peers without their usual feathery covering.
    It’s fascinating how quickly Jurassic Park became out of date. Not all dinosaurs were feathered, but a significant number were. I used to have dinosaur books which pictured T-Rex standing upright, rather than the more modern horizontal positioning.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    Very naive of you to think this. She’s a sleazy Tory politician - lying is in the blood.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,076
    We all thought the 2022 Conservative conference might end up being a make-or-break moment for the Prime Minister.

    The surprise is that it's Boris's replacement, rather than Boris, that has managed to collapse so spectacularly in such a short space of time.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,360

    Carnyx said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
    It's actually quite a surprise to find how many people on PB have not watched the key triad (to use an appropriate term) of films. Maybe it's a generation thing.
    I picked up Where The Wind Blows in the library when I was about 10 years old - cartoons, same size as an Asterix or Tintin book, I thought it was a kids book. It isn’t.

    A hugely powerful book for me. To have stayed with me so vividly is a mark of its impact on my young mind.
    The Wargame disturbed me a lot as a child, although not as much as Threads.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    algarkirk said:

    In terms of presentation obviously this is a disaster. In one bound Truss and co manage both to spook the people who actually have some say over trillions and to devastate the lives and opinions of ordinary middle ground punters. This takes skill. And there is a special advanced skill in giving away hundreds of billions of free money and getting no credit for it.

    “They love the invisible hand until it gives them the invisible finger”.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Reflecting on the mornings comments I was struck by the thought that LT is only in power because of her predecessors dishonesty and perceived incompetence. Not because of his policies.

    She has no mandate to change policy dramatically.

    And she argued the same! Boris was great, made some personal errors, but should not have been ousted, that was her view. It doesn't get less stupid the more the supposed urgency and inviolability of her actions comes up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,723

    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    25m
    First ukrainian official Ive seen putting a specific figure on the number of Russian troops trapped in Lyman. 5000.

    https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,456
    rcs1000 said:

    maxh said:

    I’ve been thinking a lot about Haidt’s excellent book ‘The Righteous Mind’ in the past few days: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

    TLDR; the things you think are beyond the pale morally, are to another person the only moral answer.

    The usual conclusion from the book is that we should be more understanding of others’ political positions - more often than we think our opponents genuinely believe in the moral purpose of what they are doing.

    In the case of the extremists in government, I feel there is also another conclusion to draw. If you are weird enough, you can find almost any outcome the ‘moral’ one (cf gulags under communism). So one should be deeply suspicious of one’s own moral certainties.

    Given what others have posted about Truss in the last few hours, I’m not sure she will be open to that conclusion though.

    I've not read it (although will now add it to the pile), but I did write this a few months ago on Facebook:


    What a lot of bollocks.

    This sanctimonious arsehole (bet he's a Dem) needs to mind his own business.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,456
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    It's horrifying as opposed to terrifying.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Scott_xP said:

    Tax cuts for the rich paid for by your children’s education.

    That’s quite a look the Tories are going for.

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/school-budget-cuts-follow-national-insurance-change/

    TBF, the funding situation was always going to collapse schools in the short to medium term anyway.
  • nico679 said:

    Where is the electoral mandate for this low tax and smaller state economy . Truss and Kwarteng are determined to change the UKs economic model with absolutely no democratic consent .

    https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1202879393313574912
  • Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    A T. rex would be horrified at Jurassic Park showing its peers without their usual feathery covering.
    It’s fascinating how quickly Jurassic Park became out of date. Not all dinosaurs were feathered, but a significant number were. I used to have dinosaur books which pictured T-Rex standing upright, rather than the more modern horizontal positioning.
    On that score Jurassic Park was out of date before it was even made - in spite of leaning heavily on the new theories that were circulating at the time about warm blooded dinosaurs. They made great use of the ideas of Bob Bakker who was one of the original proponents of the warm blooded dinosaur hypothesis and which included feathered dinosaurs. They seem to have made a conscious decision not to push things too far away from the traditional view of dinosaurs and so limited the use of feathers and fur.

    They pay a direct homage to Bakker in the second film by having one of the experts who returns to the island based on him including his distinictive looks.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    FPT:
    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    PeterM said:
    Sadly I can’t speak Russian.
    What’s that they’re singing? Is it “Whistle a Happy Tune” from the King and I?
    Look at the streets around them in the long shots. It's a couple of pens for a few thousand people bussed in for the regime. This in a city of 12m people.
    The BBC certainly showed clips and it is obviously a much smaller crowd then Russian propaganda would have you believe
    Perhaps Mad Vlad's good buddy the Sage > Security Risk of Mar-a-Lardo can lend him a hand, via 45's own proven "fuzzy math" re: crowd "estimates"?
    The irony is that, if the USA was at present *enjoying* President Trump's 2nd term, we'd probably be at less risk of going to all out war and global death. Coz Trump would have said Sure, have Ukraine, & Putin would have taken half of Ukraine, end of story
    I ought to apologise for reacting to this because I know it was posted tongue in cheek but in such scenario, whatever else might happen, it would not be "end of story".
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    murali_s said:

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    Very naive of you to think this. She’s a sleazy Tory politician - lying is in the blood.
    I try to think the best of people.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,965
    edited October 2022
    Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    A T. rex would be horrified at Jurassic Park showing its peers without their usual feathery covering.
    I believe Dr Wu, my favourite character of the entire franchise (dude just wanted to make dinosaurs, and incompetent and evil people kept misusing that), explained it all in Jurassic World as basically 'Look, we're doing the best we can, and are having to fill in the gaps, so of course these things aren't like real dinosaurs'.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,456
    Leon said:

    Jonathan said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Barely slept because Threads

    Thanks, you bastards

    Our pleasure. Although I wasn’t allowed to watch it when it first aired, being 10 years old, even just the Radio Times cover gave me nightmares at the time.

    https://www.crazyaboutmagazines.com/ourshop/prod_1230357-Radio-Times-magazine-Picking-Up-The-Threads-cover-2228-September-1984.html
    It’s a sublime work of art. And yet appalling. After watching it last night I went down the rabbit hole of “research”

    Maybe a bit of me wanted to discover that the movie exaggerates nuclear war. It does not. The director spent A YEAR talking to 50 different experts on everything from civil defence to radiation poisoning. The prep was METICULOUS. And the budget was just £400k! Which probably enforced artistic discipline

    I said last night it wasn’t as terrifying as I expected. I’m not sure that’s right now. It’s just terrifying in a different way to a great horror movie like Exorcist

    It’s existentially terrifying to realise humanity could do this to itself. And has built the weapons to do it. So that’s profoundly troubling; sure, it doesn’t make you reel back like the Exorcist’s spiderwalk, but it makes you stare into space with a quiet dread. And interrupts your sleep

    Next: five seasons of BAKE OFF

    Where the Wind Blows. Don’t read or watch that. We had that had school.
    I’ve seen that. Very fine

    But not in the same league as THREADS. None of them are. Not The Day After, not War Game

    Threads strikes me as one of those perfect low budget British movies where everything miraculously comes together - theme, actors, location, script, research, ideas - and you get a masterpiece that grows in reputation over time

    Withnail and Wickerman seem apt comparisons

    Threads has gone straight into my top ten movies ever. At my advanced age, that seldom happens
    One of the most powerful aspects of Threads is the loud Whitehall typewriter that occasionally intersperses with the action to tap out, in white letters, the latest nuclear exchanges on a totally black background. No music. Then, a pause. And then an utterly catastrophic explosion and sickening scene of devastation and horror.

    Brilliant.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    murali_s said:

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    Very naive of you to think this. She’s a sleazy Tory politician - lying is in the blood.
    I try to think the best of people.
    Let's apply this to Liz Truss.

    Unlike her predecessor, she isn't so far as we know an actual criminal.

    Well, it's something I suppose.
  • rcs1000 said:

    maxh said:

    I’ve been thinking a lot about Haidt’s excellent book ‘The Righteous Mind’ in the past few days: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

    TLDR; the things you think are beyond the pale morally, are to another person the only moral answer.

    The usual conclusion from the book is that we should be more understanding of others’ political positions - more often than we think our opponents genuinely believe in the moral purpose of what they are doing.

    In the case of the extremists in government, I feel there is also another conclusion to draw. If you are weird enough, you can find almost any outcome the ‘moral’ one (cf gulags under communism). So one should be deeply suspicious of one’s own moral certainties.

    Given what others have posted about Truss in the last few hours, I’m not sure she will be open to that conclusion though.

    I've not read it (although will now add it to the pile), but I did write this a few months ago on Facebook:


    What a lot of bollocks.

    This sanctimonious arsehole (bet he's a Dem) needs to mind his own business.
    Weird to refer to yourself in the third person but I am glad you're reflecting on your many flaws.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    ydoethur said:

    murali_s said:

    Liz Truss says the markets don't understand her plans.

    Liz Truss thinks the energy cap caps your bill at £2500 a year - she doesn't understand her plans.

    No, she doesn’t think that. That was a slip of the tongue and you know it.
    Very naive of you to think this. She’s a sleazy Tory politician - lying is in the blood.
    I try to think the best of people.
    Let's apply this to Liz Truss.

    Unlike her predecessor, she isn't so far as we know an actual criminal.

    Well, it's something I suppose.
    There you go! Start the day with a happy thought…
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


    Putin started WW1 and WW2? He truly is powerful.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


    Do Dynamo and his BA obsessed friends count?
  • Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


    What is with the KCMG bollocks? Is he allowed to advertise himself in that way?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    rcs1000 said:

    maxh said:

    I’ve been thinking a lot about Haidt’s excellent book ‘The Righteous Mind’ in the past few days: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

    TLDR; the things you think are beyond the pale morally, are to another person the only moral answer.

    The usual conclusion from the book is that we should be more understanding of others’ political positions - more often than we think our opponents genuinely believe in the moral purpose of what they are doing.

    In the case of the extremists in government, I feel there is also another conclusion to draw. If you are weird enough, you can find almost any outcome the ‘moral’ one (cf gulags under communism). So one should be deeply suspicious of one’s own moral certainties.

    Given what others have posted about Truss in the last few hours, I’m not sure she will be open to that conclusion though.

    I've not read it (although will now add it to the pile), but I did write this a few months ago on Facebook:


    What a lot of bollocks.

    This sanctimonious arsehole (bet he's a Dem) needs to mind his own business.
    Exactly. At least on PB.com we do engage with the 'other' view.

    Now, sod off you baby-eating Tory.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    kle4 said:

    Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


    Putin started WW1 and WW2? He truly is powerful.
    His entire career, he came not to rule yer but to Serbia.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Truss seems to think she hit upon a unique economic model that no one else has thought of !

    In plain speak what she wants is capitalism on steroids .
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Apple has withdrawn a number of Russian-based social media apps from the App Store, including the app for the VK social network. With Apple operating in the UK, sanctions put in place by the government mean that Apple can no longer do business with the developers of the app, leading to the cancellation of the developer accounts and subsequent delistings:

    "Russia's communications regulator on Wednesday demanded an explanation from Apple after applications operated by the Russian state-controlled tech firm VK were removed from the U.S. firm's App Store… Apple said it follows laws in the jurisdictions where the company operates. Apple said the apps in question were being distributed by developers majority-owned or majority-controlled by one or more parties sanctioned by the UK government."



    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2022/09/30/apple-headlines-apple-iphone-15-iphone-14-pro-mac-pro-launch-leaks-specs/?sh=2a32dab1a0d1
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,995
    Good news for the start of the gas heating season: 2 weeks of mild westerlies across most of Europe. Should keep demand low.

    http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4

    Lots of rain for Norway’s hydro dams too, and a bit for France’s riverside nukes.

    http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited October 2022


    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
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    25m
    First ukrainian official Ive seen putting a specific figure on the number of Russian troops trapped in Lyman. 5000.

    https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

    So that's 2,500 rifles, 4,000 pairs of boots and about 900 sandals then?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    edited October 2022

    Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


    What is with the KCMG bollocks? Is he allowed to advertise himself in that way?
    Since if he were one the correct form of address would be 'Sir [Name] KG' I imagine he probably is. It would be like referring to yourself as the Supreme Duke and Earl Marshall of the Wash and Humber. It is a non-existent title so has no meaning.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    TimS said:

    Good news for the start of the gas heating season: 2 weeks of mild westerlies across most of Europe. Should keep demand low.

    http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4

    Lots of rain for Norway’s hydro dams too, and a bit for France’s riverside nukes.

    http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4

    If it was windy, rather sunny, and rained all night, that would be perfect from my point of view. The conservatory is heating up nicely and the solar panels are already running all my extant gadgets.

    But given a choice between sun and wind/rain, the latter's better for everyone else so I'll take it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568

    What is the largest actual majority we think Labour could achieve?

    16 short....
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497
    edited October 2022
    Farooq said:

    rcs1000 said:

    maxh said:

    I’ve been thinking a lot about Haidt’s excellent book ‘The Righteous Mind’ in the past few days: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind

    TLDR; the things you think are beyond the pale morally, are to another person the only moral answer.

    The usual conclusion from the book is that we should be more understanding of others’ political positions - more often than we think our opponents genuinely believe in the moral purpose of what they are doing.

    In the case of the extremists in government, I feel there is also another conclusion to draw. If you are weird enough, you can find almost any outcome the ‘moral’ one (cf gulags under communism). So one should be deeply suspicious of one’s own moral certainties.

    Given what others have posted about Truss in the last few hours, I’m not sure she will be open to that conclusion though.

    I've not read it (although will now add it to the pile), but I did write this a few months ago on Facebook:


    The sentiment is noble, but it's unintentionally funny in one particular way: saying "we all" when you are only talking about a subset of people.
    Trust me when I say that you can walk from one end of my constituency to the other and not run into a Lib Dem voter. My folks are all Labour but I've never voted for them. Everyone else seems to be Conservative or SNP. I'm surrounded by people who have pretty fixed opinions one was or the other about independence but I'm open to either option.

    Not all of us are in a political echo chamber. I'm sure there are quite a few of us on here who recognise the feeling of being a lone voice of sanity among others who just don't get it, and who fear that others regard us as a lone voice of insanity because our ideas don't fit.

    Bubbles are real, but the idea that everyone is in one is just your bubble talking.
    Yes. This use of the term 'We' (the Guardian does it all the time) is dishonest, evasive, patronising and guilt trippy.

    'We' should always be used with precision, identifying oneself and identifiable others. It is lazy writing.

    (It has an obscure but more harmless parallel in what I term the 'Times Lit Supp "everyone" '

    As in "Everyone knows that 14th century Mongolian terracotta chimneys are predominantly the work of Nestorian camel owners")

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    ydoethur said:

    Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


    What is with the KCMG bollocks? Is he allowed to advertise himself in that way?
    Since if he were one the correct form of address would be 'Sir [Name] KG' I imagine he probably is. It would be like referring to yourself as the Supreme Duke and Earl Marshall of the Wash and Humber. It is a non-existent title so has no meaning.
    I have edited that because of course KCMG is Michael and George, not the Garter.

    More to the point, a little research confirms there are no 'Knight Commanders' in the Garter. They are 'Knight Companions.' It's the other orders have Knight Commanders. So it's a totally made up title.

    Why would he do it? I don't know, but I'm guessing because he's a tool. This would be in character with much of his career.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    edited October 2022

    Which ‘people’ would these be I wonder? The Sioux or Zoroastrians, or Rangers supporters perhaps?


    What is with the KCMG bollocks? Is he allowed to advertise himself in that way?
    Does he realise what a nob everyone else thinks he is?
    nob - short for noble, also a corruption of nabob.

    Isn't that what he's trying to get us to see?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Farooq said:

    CD13 said:

    I still remember going to bed in late October 1962, thinking that I might not quite reach my teens, my thirteenth birthday not being until January.

    As always, we muddled through and since then, I've treated doom-sayers with a little contempt. If it's being foreseen, it probably won't happen. It's the unforseen you need to worry about.

    Global warning? A piece of piss. Nuckear war? It won't happen. A large asteroid? We can probably knock it off-course.

    A complete f*ck-up? Always possible, but no point worrying about. As for a financial misadventure? Put it into context. What is this life if full of care ...

    To be fair I also thought I wouldn’t reach my teens because I was convinced a T-Rex was going to eat me after watching Jurassic Park
    Why would a t-rex watch Jurassic Park?
    Anyway, it would make more sense to eat him first and watch the film after?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    nico679 said:

    Where is the electoral mandate for this low tax and smaller state economy . Truss and Kwarteng are determined to change the UKs economic model with absolutely no democratic consent .

    Nonsense.
    It's not nonsense because if the Tories had gone in to the last election spelling out what they have done since Truss became PM they would have lost by the sort of margins the polls are now indicating.
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