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God save the Queen – politicalbetting.com

All the Queen’s four children are now with her at Balmoral Castle. Along with her grandson, the Duke of Cambridge.This is a serious situation. #queen #queenelizabeth pic.twitter.com/6fWzhHxLol

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  • BournvilleBournville Posts: 309
    A friend of a friend works in the Cabinet Office, and says we should expect a further announcement at 6pm today.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    God save the Queen
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,800
    I guess the Queen is pretty much, by some way the most famous and most permanent person in the world. It will be a different world without her.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Jesus Christ - writing NEW THREAD like that on the previous thread.

    Well looked at quickly you know what NEW THREAD looks like don't you. Jeez have a thought for the readers.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,650
    Hear, hear.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    No Meghan, this doesn’t mean there’s a vacancy.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,913
    Something quite interesting happening on the live feed on beeb of balmoral entrance. A chap has just driven up from inside the estate in a van and is now taking down a No Entry sign by the gate.

    I can think of any reason except that it looks garish against the entrance area so if the worst has happened and they have photos of the hearse coming out then they want it more somber?

    Until a few mins ago there was a red “no entry” plus another sign below where I have marked.


  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,650
    To be honest I would rather we found out instantly, rather than hours of speculation.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,997
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    It is a bit like the Rab C. Nesbit approach to climbing Ben Nevis. Only hot rather than cold.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,800
    boulay said:

    Something quite interesting happening on the live feed on beeb of balmoral entrance. A chap has just driven up from inside the estate in a van and is now taking down a No Entry sign by the gate.

    I can think of any reason except that it looks garish against the entrance area so if the worst has happened and they have photos of the hearse coming out then they want it more somber?

    Until a few mins ago there was a red “no entry” plus another sign below where I have marked.


    There's no chance if she's passed they will move her out of Balmoral until they have all the plans and people in place.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,519
    GIN1138 said:

    God save the Queen

    King?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    God save the Queen

    King?
    Not yet.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,800
    Bournville said:

    A friend of a friend works in the Cabinet Office, and says we should expect a further announcement at 6pm today.

    Just been denied on BBC. But who knows.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,913
    Slackbladder said:

    boulay said:

    Something quite interesting happening on the live feed on beeb of balmoral entrance. A chap has just driven up from inside the estate in a van and is now taking down a No Entry sign by the gate.

    I can think of any reason except that it looks garish against the entrance area so if the worst has happened and they have photos of the hearse coming out then they want it more somber?

    Until a few mins ago there was a red “no entry” plus another sign below where I have marked.


    There's no chance if she's passed they will move her out of Balmoral until they have all the plans and people in place.
    Absolutely but why would they be moving a garish red sign “now” from the entrance to Balmoral which will have the world’s press winging their way to?



  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    boulay said:

    Something quite interesting happening on the live feed on beeb of balmoral entrance. A chap has just driven up from inside the estate in a van and is now taking down a No Entry sign by the gate.

    I can think of any reason except that it looks garish against the entrance area so if the worst has happened and they have photos of the hearse coming out then they want it more somber?

    Until a few mins ago there was a red “no entry” plus another sign below where I have marked.

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yn/fkygq9edohzc.jpeg" alt="" />

    Oh yeah, just rewound it.

    Unfortunately, looks like staff following major event protocol.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,662
    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    God save the Queen

    King?
    To paraphrase Gough Whitlam, Ladies and gentlemen, well may we say 'God Save the Queen', because nothing will save the monarchy under King Charles
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,997
    Sandpit said:

    boulay said:

    Something quite interesting happening on the live feed on beeb of balmoral entrance. A chap has just driven up from inside the estate in a van and is now taking down a No Entry sign by the gate.

    I can think of any reason except that it looks garish against the entrance area so if the worst has happened and they have photos of the hearse coming out then they want it more somber?

    Until a few mins ago there was a red “no entry” plus another sign below where I have marked.

    img src="https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/yn/fkygq9edohzc.jpeg" alt="" />

    Oh yeah, just rewound it.

    Unfortunately, looks like staff following major event protocol.
    Indeed, giving the hacks something to film and expound learnedly upon.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    edited September 2022
    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,662
    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Officially
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,758
    OT video on the twitters of the Ukraine flag flying over Balakliya, the town the offensive yesterday surrounded on 3 sides. Claims of fighting getting close to Kupiansk, the key road/rail hub.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    MoonRabbit said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    RobD said:

    To be honest I would rather we found out instantly, rather than hours of speculation.

    I think we have found out.

    There won't be an announcement until the family have gathered and so it should be.

    Respect for Her Majesty, like TSE not a royalist but Her Majesty has served with honour and distinction and we will not see her like again.
    If we could chose or invent our monarch, we could never have done better. Our greatest most beloved Queen was absolutely brilliant from the start, and never faltered from brilliance.
    As AlastiarM already posted says it all.
    “the Nation's mum, and then granny. Always looking out for you and with kind words.”

    😞
    No disrespect to Queenie, but I think any random person plucked out of obscurity, with a decent work ethic would have been just as good.

    The fact that she kindof was plucked out of obscurity meant she was better than-than-your-average monarch, relative to past kings/queens.

    She always treated her position as a privilege. Expectant heirs have a nasty tendency to treat it as a right and take the piss, in various ways.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861
    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    There is probably a hierarchy of people who need to be informed before they hear it on the news.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,396
    The Telegraph's web site has been set to June.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,880
    edited September 2022
    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And if she did that's me hoisting your Deadpool trophy.
    (but not of course in a celebratory way)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    edited September 2022
    Now armed plod outside Balmoral gates.

    This is no time for a latter day Michael Fagan.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Yes, there’s a lot of protocol. No-one will know, bar a handful of family and doctors, until everyone knows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,758
    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    Constantly lying and concealing stuff for no good reason is at the heart of what means to have a monarchy.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,802
    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    BBC won’t know she’s died before the PM. And they will make the announcement as soon as possible after becoming aware of it.

    More likely, I am sorry to say, is that it has been distributed through official channels that the queen really isn’t well and we are to “expect an announcement” - ie they know it’s coming, it’s just a matter of when.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,563
    edited September 2022
    Fwiw, they are not flying the Royal Standard over Balmoral. That's the Royal Banner of Scotland, slightly different (it's currently flying over Holyrood palace, for example).

    So, she's not in residence. Either at a cottage elsewhere on the estate, or...

  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 815
    A close relative is on the list of those who receive the first phone call to activate London Bridge/Unicorn, and hasn't had it yet. But they are expecting it this evening.
    They're currently on holiday in Croatia and are scrambling to find somewhere they can use as a base for conference calls!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,514
    ping said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    RobD said:

    To be honest I would rather we found out instantly, rather than hours of speculation.

    I think we have found out.

    There won't be an announcement until the family have gathered and so it should be.

    Respect for Her Majesty, like TSE not a royalist but Her Majesty has served with honour and distinction and we will not see her like again.
    If we could chose or invent our monarch, we could never have done better. Our greatest most beloved Queen was absolutely brilliant from the start, and never faltered from brilliance.
    As AlastiarM already posted says it all.
    “the Nation's mum, and then granny. Always looking out for you and with kind words.”

    😞
    No disrespect to Queenie, but I think any random person plucked out of obscurity, with a decent work ethic would have been just as good.

    The fact that she kindof was plucked out of obscurity meant she was better than-than-your-average monarch, relative to past kings/queens.

    She always treated her position as a privilege. Expectant heirs have a nasty tendency to treat it as a right and take the piss, in various ways.
    I think that ignores the example set by her father and the impact that had on her.

    He was entirely unsuited to be King, never expected to be King and genuinely never wanted it either. He had everything going against him as far as making a success of the position and yet he did his duty.

    I think seeing that at first hand and seeing the impact it had on him probably explains a great deal about her sense of duty. Anything less would have been a betrayal of his memory and, in her eyes, his sacrifice.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,292
    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    With her faith, if she is gone she will be in a place of comfort to her.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    edited September 2022
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Officially
    No, not even 'officially'. Nobody will get advance notice of London Bridge. They may be told its imminent but the notification and announcement is absolutely rigid protocol. If she is currently lying passed on whilst they await Harry or some such, nobody but her doctors and family know
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Eabhal said:

    Fwiw, they are not flying the Royal Standard over Balmoral. That's the Royal Banner of Scotland, slightly different (it's currently flying over Holyrood palace, for example).

    So, she's not in residence. Either at a cottage elsewhere on the estate, or...

    Now that is very interesting. The Queen is/was/who knows always been an absolute stickler for protocol. Because of course it has been her protocol, as Queen.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,762
    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And we all told him to do the walk. WE ALL KILLED LEON. On today of all days.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,292
    Slackbladder said:

    I guess the Queen is pretty much, by some way the most famous and most permanent person in the world. It will be a different world without her.

    I believe some languages have a word for queen, but The Queen is in English.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    edited September 2022
    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    With her faith, if she is gone she will be in a place of comfort to her.
    Er, no. If she has died she will be dead with no "comfort" or anything like it. There will be nothing.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And we all told him to do the walk. WE ALL KILLED LEON. On today of all days.
    Murder on the Portgual Express
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    wooliedyed said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Officially
    No, not even 'officially'. Nobody will get advance notice of London Bridge. They may be told its imminent but the notification and announcement is absolutely rigid protocol. If she is currently lying passed on whilst they await Harry or some such, nobody but her doctors and family know
    And @Leon, obvs.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,762
    jamesdoyle said:

    A close relative is on the list of those who receive the first phone call to activate London Bridge/Unicorn, and hasn't had it yet. But they are expecting it this evening.
    They're currently on holiday in Croatia and are scrambling to find somewhere they can use as a base for conference calls!

    Glad to hear they are keeping you informed.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,997
    edited September 2022
    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fwiw, they are not flying the Royal Standard over Balmoral. That's the Royal Banner of Scotland, slightly different (it's currently flying over Holyrood palace, for example).

    So, she's not in residence. Either at a cottage elsewhere on the estate, or...

    Now that is very interesting. The Queen is/was/who knows always been an absolute stickler for protocol. Because of course it has been her protocol, as Queen.
    But at some point it will become the then-at-once-former Duke of Rothesay's standard.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    wooliedyed said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And we all told him to do the walk. WE ALL KILLED LEON. On today of all days.
    Murder on the Portgual Express
    Not sure about the express bit, tbh.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,563
    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fwiw, they are not flying the Royal Standard over Balmoral. That's the Royal Banner of Scotland, slightly different (it's currently flying over Holyrood palace, for example).

    So, she's not in residence. Either at a cottage elsewhere on the estate, or...

    Now that is very interesting. The Queen is/was/who knows always been an absolute stickler for protocol. Because of course it has been her protocol, as Queen.
    Though in theory it would remain raised if the new King was there?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    jamesdoyle said:

    A close relative is on the list of those who receive the first phone call to activate London Bridge/Unicorn, and hasn't had it yet. But they are expecting it this evening.
    They're currently on holiday in Croatia and are scrambling to find somewhere they can use as a base for conference calls!

    Glad to hear they are keeping you informed.
    Dammit I had a mate who was involved from HMF and they went as far as rehearsals, etc. Now left, irritatingly for my information sources.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    Sandpit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Yes, there’s a lot of protocol. No-one will know, bar a handful of family and doctors, until everyone knows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
    Buf of course a lot of people will be told 'its serious, be ready in case'
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,662
    wooliedyed said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Officially
    No, not even 'officially'. Nobody will get advance notice of London Bridge. They may be told its imminent but the notification and announcement is absolutely rigid protocol. If she is currently lying passed on whilst they await Harry or some such, nobody but her doctors and family know
    That is 'officially'.

    Being told 'its imminent' is unofficially saying it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,880
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And we all told him to do the walk. WE ALL KILLED LEON. On today of all days.
    Yep, 'Joint Enterprise' sends us all down for it. Oh god.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,640
    Slackbladder said:

    Bournville said:

    A friend of a friend works in the Cabinet Office, and says we should expect a further announcement at 6pm today.

    Just been denied on BBC. But who knows.
    Never believe something until it has been official denied
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,292
    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    With her faith, if she is gone she will be in a place of comfort to her.
    Er, no. If she has died she will be dead with no "comfort" or anything like it. There will be nothing.
    Believe it or not I am aware how death works. However she believes in heaven even I do not.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,913
    wooliedyed said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And we all told him to do the walk. WE ALL KILLED LEON. On today of all days.
    Murder on the Portgual Express
    Evil under the sun.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fwiw, they are not flying the Royal Standard over Balmoral. That's the Royal Banner of Scotland, slightly different (it's currently flying over Holyrood palace, for example).

    So, she's not in residence. Either at a cottage elsewhere on the estate, or...

    Now that is very interesting. The Queen is/was/who knows always been an absolute stickler for protocol. Because of course it has been her protocol, as Queen.
    Though in theory it would remain raised if the new King was there?
    Yes that is a good point but wouldn't it (the new standard) change/be designed for King Charles (or whatever he's called)?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,292
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And we all told him to do the walk. WE ALL KILLED LEON. On today of all days.
    Leave me out of it, I told him to be lazy.

    I'll visit you lot in prison.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    The BBC R4 coverage is just appalling taste. They have Fergus Walsh the Health Editor pontificating. FFS

    Fergus sings the blues!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    kinabalu said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Am I the only one who is genuinely worried that we might be facing Leon-don Bridge? A 15km hike in hot sunshine with only a bottle of warm white wine to drink doesn't sound very wise.

    In the dark days ahead we are going to need his unmatched powers of hysteria and searching Twitter to establish if Truss gave the Queen covid.
    And we all told him to do the walk. WE ALL KILLED LEON. On today of all days.
    Yep, 'Joint Enterprise' sends us all down for it. Oh god.
    Let Him Have It.

    The warm white wine, that is.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,658
    I used to work for a company that has a Royal Warrant and has a defined roll in Project Unicorn.

    But I left...
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 815
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    jamesdoyle said:

    A close relative is on the list of those who receive the first phone call to activate London Bridge/Unicorn, and hasn't had it yet. But they are expecting it this evening.
    They're currently on holiday in Croatia and are scrambling to find somewhere they can use as a base for conference calls!

    Glad to hear they are keeping you informed.
    Only because I poked them and asked!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    edited September 2022
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    wooliedyed said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Officially
    No, not even 'officially'. Nobody will get advance notice of London Bridge. They may be told its imminent but the notification and announcement is absolutely rigid protocol. If she is currently lying passed on whilst they await Harry or some such, nobody but her doctors and family know
    That is 'officially'.

    Being told 'its imminent' is unofficially saying it.
    Yes, but nobody will know if she has passed away already or not for example
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,031
    Off topic I know. But how much are we paying per kWh of power this winter?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    With her faith, if she is gone she will be in a place of comfort to her.
    Er, no. If she has died she will be dead with no "comfort" or anything like it. There will be nothing.
    Believe it or not I am aware how death works. However she believes in heaven even I do not.
    Indeed. The wording of the statement could easily be a way of describing someone's death (especially someone with faith) without formally confirming it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Interesting that both BBC and GB News are showing pictures from the gate at Balmoral, but no studio shots. Are the presenters in a broom cupboard, as something is happening to the studios themselves?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,997
    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fwiw, they are not flying the Royal Standard over Balmoral. That's the Royal Banner of Scotland, slightly different (it's currently flying over Holyrood palace, for example).

    So, she's not in residence. Either at a cottage elsewhere on the estate, or...

    Now that is very interesting. The Queen is/was/who knows always been an absolute stickler for protocol. Because of course it has been her protocol, as Queen.
    Though in theory it would remain raised if the new King was there?
    Yes that is a good point but wouldn't it (the new standard) change/be designed for King Charles (or whatever he's called)?
    Don't think so. There's no gender to the Sovereign's arms, is there? (Unless on funereal hatchments, obvs.)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    Sky black tie
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,370
    TOPPING said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    jamesdoyle said:

    A close relative is on the list of those who receive the first phone call to activate London Bridge/Unicorn, and hasn't had it yet. But they are expecting it this evening.
    They're currently on holiday in Croatia and are scrambling to find somewhere they can use as a base for conference calls!

    Glad to hear they are keeping you informed.
    Dammit I had a mate who was involved from HMF and they went as far as rehearsals, etc. Now left, irritatingly for my information sources.

    Well, you could just ask me. And I will ask my well connected friend? But your call
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,856
    wooliedyed said:

    Sandpit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Yes, there’s a lot of protocol. No-one will know, bar a handful of family and doctors, until everyone knows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
    Buf of course a lot of people will be told 'its serious, be ready in case'
    God will be the first to know
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,292
    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Bit weird, if she has indeed died, that the BBC is telling us that The Queen "is comfortable and resting".

    With her faith, if she is gone she will be in a place of comfort to her.
    Er, no. If she has died she will be dead with no "comfort" or anything like it. There will be nothing.
    Believe it or not I am aware how death works. However she believes in heaven even I do not.
    Indeed. The wording of the statement could easily be a way of describing someone's death (especially someone with faith) without formally confirming it.
    I'm sure it isnt that, too misleading, but I'm sure her beliefs are giving or have given her comfort for this sort of thing.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    edited September 2022
    state_go_away said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Sandpit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Yes, there’s a lot of protocol. No-one will know, bar a handful of family and doctors, until everyone knows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
    Buf of course a lot of people will be told 'its serious, be ready in case'
    God will be the first to know
    If you believe than God always knew. And always will know.
  • BournvilleBournville Posts: 309
    wooliedyed said:

    Sandpit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Yes, there’s a lot of protocol. No-one will know, bar a handful of family and doctors, until everyone knows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
    Buf of course a lot of people will be told 'its serious, be ready in case'
    Yes, most Government departments have London Bridge teams who have all been told to stop their regular work to wait for further instruction. While not confirmation, this isn't the kind of thing that departments do unless they're told to do so at the highest level.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,563
    I have a friend who would know what is about to happen and she has blocked everyone on WhatsApp and left the group chats. Quite right.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Carnyx said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Eabhal said:

    Fwiw, they are not flying the Royal Standard over Balmoral. That's the Royal Banner of Scotland, slightly different (it's currently flying over Holyrood palace, for example).

    So, she's not in residence. Either at a cottage elsewhere on the estate, or...

    Now that is very interesting. The Queen is/was/who knows always been an absolute stickler for protocol. Because of course it has been her protocol, as Queen.
    Though in theory it would remain raised if the new King was there?
    Yes that is a good point but wouldn't it (the new standard) change/be designed for King Charles (or whatever he's called)?
    Don't think so. There's no gender to the Sovereign's arms, is there? (Unless on funereal hatchments, obvs.)
    Ah didn't know - in my mind there are different standards but perhaps that is eg plantagenet, tudor, etc, rather than individual monarchs.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,459
    moonshine said:

    Off topic I know. But how much are we paying per kWh of power this winter?

    I got the impression from the piece I read that we don't know yet as the Truss plan involves capping the average cost to keep below £2500.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,467
    Bournville said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Sandpit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The only people who can possibly know the Queens status right now are her doctors and family. Once an announcement is made it is a rigid process. Queens private secretary phones the PM and then it is communicated via emergency broadcast to the beeb and world media whilst an announcement is pinned on Buckingham palace gates. Bbc and news channels will all cut to black tie announcement and Truss will address parliament.
    There is no 'shes gone but keep it under your hat for now'

    Yes, there’s a lot of protocol. No-one will know, bar a handful of family and doctors, until everyone knows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
    Buf of course a lot of people will be told 'its serious, be ready in case'
    Yes, most Government departments have London Bridge teams who have all been told to stop their regular work to wait for further instruction. While not confirmation, this isn't the kind of thing that departments do unless they're told to do so at the highest level.
    The precautionary principle applies. Preparing for a likely imminent outcome.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    As much as we all seem to be relieved that Boris is no longer PM whilst all this happens, I would also like to give thanks that Corbyn is no longer LOTO.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,396
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    The Telegraph's web site has been set to June.

    Now back to today. Possibly the Telegraph messed up testing a quick switch to a prepared alternative showing bad news.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    jamesdoyle said:

    A close relative is on the list of those who receive the first phone call to activate London Bridge/Unicorn, and hasn't had it yet. But they are expecting it this evening.
    They're currently on holiday in Croatia and are scrambling to find somewhere they can use as a base for conference calls!

    Glad to hear they are keeping you informed.
    Dammit I had a mate who was involved from HMF and they went as far as rehearsals, etc. Now left, irritatingly for my information sources.

    Well, you could just ask me. And I will ask my well connected friend? But your call
    Michael Fagan? Not sure he would know.

    And there are plenty of people I could ask if I could rouse myself, just that this person discussed it with me and would have had a prominent role. SO THERE.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    numbertwelve said:

    As some dark humour as one of the most significant national moments in our lifetimes nears, I hate to say it but it really does give off the impression that she was just holding on until she got rid of Boris!

    That's my mum's theory.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,370
    Ok I’m getting quite drunk now. Because my only liquid in this desert is an excellent but warm white wine. That’s fine isn’t it? That’s good fieldcraft?

    AND NOW I RISE, LIKE LEONS AFTER SLUMBER
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    Is this thread celebrating the life of HMQ, or Leon, or both?

    Asking for a friend.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,121
    Mexicanpete said:

    Is this thread celebrating the life of HMQ, or Leon, or both?

    Asking for a friend.

    You never see them in the same room.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,533
    Leon said:

    Ok I’m getting quite drunk now. Because my only liquid in this desert is an excellent but warm white wine. That’s fine isn’t it? That’s good fieldcraft?

    AND NOW I RISE, LIKE LEONS AFTER SLUMBER

    Why not find a bit of a shade until the sun gets a bit coooler in an hour or so, and you've still got enough light and time to get back. Hot sun and alcohol aren't a good mix.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,370

    Pretty sure that’s a fucking GERMAN down there

    SMILING

    He’s SMILING even as our QUEEN is DYING

    I’m going to knock his block off
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,997
    Mexicanpete said:

    Is this thread celebrating the life of HMQ, or Leon, or both?

    Asking for a friend.

    He provides the comic relief while we wait, as per Shakespeare?
  • eekeek Posts: 31,010
    Some overview of the forthcoming ceremonies..


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,880
    numbertwelve said:

    As some dark humour as one of the most significant national moments in our lifetimes nears, I hate to say it but it really does give off the impression that she was just holding on until she got rid of Boris!

    I'd like to believe that. One last service to the nation. And no small one either.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,233
    Is it appropriate to say I am actually looking at London Bridge right now. At the actual London Bridge.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,658
    Carnyx said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Is this thread celebrating the life of HMQ, or Leon, or both?

    Asking for a friend.

    He provides the comic relief while we wait, as per Shakespeare?
    The rude mechanicals...
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,540
    RAF Plane from Northolt to Aberdeen due to land in less than 10 minutes
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,997
    Scott_xP said:

    Carnyx said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Is this thread celebrating the life of HMQ, or Leon, or both?

    Asking for a friend.

    He provides the comic relief while we wait, as per Shakespeare?
    The rude mechanicals...
    I was thinking of Macbeth.
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