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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,678
    edited September 2022

    kle4 said:

    "We need to build faster (ignore what i pitched to Tory members about giving locals more say)"

    Spades in the ground she said.

    Wasn't that in the context of energy? More nuclear? More wind farms? The earlier comment was about houses and roads.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 15,467
    Miss Trusst makes Sir Keir Royale sound charismatic.

    Quite an achievement.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042
    I gather we are going to be showered with grit.
    Doesn't sound particularly appealing.

    Some sort of fetish thing ?
  • As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those
  • Good speech and interesting that she referenced building and spades in the ground so much. Perhaps she's planning some genuine free market reforms on planning.

    Tbh I was wondering if the Prime Minister accidentally skipped a section there. It made no sense.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    Stereodog said:

    I can’t get over how badly she delivers a speech. Her intonation is all over the place and half the time she sounds like one of those computer text readers.

    Starmer will now be the more charismatic and fluent of the two, who would have thought that Sir Keir would be more charismatic than the Tory PM a few months ago? Certainly Truss needs some strong policies in the next few weeks to make an impact with the electorate
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,914

    HYUFD said:

    Some good proposals from Truss on new infrastructure etc and ensuring security abroad as well as at home.

    As promised she proposes tax cuts and reform. She blames the energy crisis on Putin but says she will secure our future energy supply.

    Opportunity and prosperity for all she promises. Now first shot with her husband outside No 10.

    Dull delivery though again, certainly in contrast to Boris' oratorical flourishes this morning. However let us see how she gets on and what the new Cabinet brings

    You need to get over Johnson
    We all do. How long will the recuperation period be though? He was a pretty toxic virus.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
  • EXCLUSIVE: Keir Starmer has been having presentation lessons and I understand has recently undergone procedures to think his nasal voice.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,603
    ‘Former employee of Shell….’
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019
    kle4 said:

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
    According to @williamglenn Britain is broken. This is apparently Truss' attempt at unbreaking it.
  • EXCLUSIVE: Keir Starmer has been having presentation lessons and I understand has recently undergone procedures to think his nasal voice.

    About time!
    I notice that Truss has nasal issues of her own.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Prime minister Liz Truss in her first speech outside No.10:

    “Now is the time to tackle the issues that are holding Britain back.”

    https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1567183127134584838


    Brexit...

    Really? Still? To you, Brexit is still Britain's #1 issue?
    She didn't say #1, she said holding Britain back.

    Absofuckinglutely, Brexit is holding Britain back.
    Just think how much higher your own productivity would be if you accepted it and moved on.
    But hating Brexit and railing uselessly against it IS Scott's whole raison d'etre. If he didn't have that he would be a hollow, empty shell staring listlessly at a flickering screen, bereft of purpose or meaning.

    Don't take that way from him please. It would be too cruel.
  • As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    As a parent of two "young people" (under 25), I will judge her on similar criteria, though I would also add judging her on how well she creates an environment that is conducive to enterprise and business success, which is what many young people rely on for work
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    I'd like to see her properly fund justice - would not take much and would immediately see results in speeding up trials.

    But no doubt improving legal aid, though better in the long run, would never pass muster.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393
    "Suella Braverman was told by Liz Truss that she would be made Home Secretary “absolutely ages ago”, according to a source familiar with discussions. “Suella has been busy getting background briefings, reading think-tank reports - really getting to grips with it,” they said."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/06/liz-truss-cabinet-appointments/
  • Congratulations to Prime Minister Liz Truss.

    I look forward to deepening the special relationship between our countries and working in close cooperation on global challenges, including continued support for Ukraine as it defends itself against Russian aggression.


    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1567184098195537921

    Thangam Debbonaire on BBC news talking about taxing Norway, Qatar & Nigeria.....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,230
    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
    According to @williamglenn Britain is broken. This is apparently Truss' attempt at unbreaking it.
    AIUI his argument was she's about to make an omelette.
    If I follow the metaphor.
    Still. Will keep her out of bother.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    She’s better than TMay and she might even be competent and capable

    However I just can’t see her doing enough to overcome the massive desire to kick the Tories out and give the other lot a go

    Labour should be heavy favourites for 2024
  • As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    As a parent of two "young people" (under 25), I will judge her on similar criteria, though I would also add judging her on how well she creates an environment that is conducive to enterprise and business success, which is what many young people rely on for work
    I believe the UK is a nation in which rentier capitalism is out of control, stifling genuine innovation and economic growth.

    I’ll be judging her on whether, as a seemingly committed liberal, she recognises and does anything about that.
  • Adam Boulton on Sky, referring to Joe Biden's congratulations, said that for some time the UK, EU and Ireland have been working on the NI issue and he expects Truss to go to NI shortly and a resolution of this by Truss may be possible
  • As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    Nigelb said:

    I gather we are going to be showered with grit.
    Doesn't sound particularly appealing.

    Some sort of fetish thing ?

    After 3 years of showering with grift. Whats an f twixt mates?
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    If the omelette is full of shell and the eggs are off, best consign it to the bin. That is the best place for Johnson and his broken legacy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    edited September 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    "Suella Braverman was told by Liz Truss that she would be made Home Secretary “absolutely ages ago”, according to a source familiar with discussions. “Suella has been busy getting background briefings, reading think-tank reports - really getting to grips with it,” they said."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/06/liz-truss-cabinet-appointments/

    That's a lot of effort when I imagine her direction was a single line 'Stop the bloody boats by any means necessary!'

    Maybe with something about the the EcHR as a distraction.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited September 2022
    GIN1138 said:

    Speech wasn't too bad. She does better when she doesn't have to stop for audience applause. So similar to Theresa I get the feeling she doesn't really "do" people. Which is unfortunate as it's the people that are going to have to vote for her in the end...

    Truss doesn't "do" people = she has no charisma.
    TMay had some.
    Truss seems less personable than any PM since Gordon Brown.
    She is lucky that Keir Starmer has no charisma either and is less personable than any Labour leader since ... Gordon Brown.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    Agreed 1000% railways are a disaster and my only practical travel option outside Norfolk
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019

    Scott_xP said:

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Prime minister Liz Truss in her first speech outside No.10:

    “Now is the time to tackle the issues that are holding Britain back.”

    https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1567183127134584838


    Brexit...

    Really? Still? To you, Brexit is still Britain's #1 issue?
    She didn't say #1, she said holding Britain back.

    Absofuckinglutely, Brexit is holding Britain back.
    Just think how much higher your own productivity would be if you accepted it and moved on.
    But hating Brexit and railing uselessly against it IS Scott's whole raison d'etre. If he didn't have that he would be a hollow, empty shell staring listlessly at a flickering screen, bereft of purpose or meaning.

    Don't take that way from him please. It would be too cruel.
    Very disappointing that you should denigrate in such terms a passionate political belief.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042

    Nigelb said:

    I gather we are going to be showered with grit.
    Doesn't sound particularly appealing.

    Some sort of fetish thing ?

    After 3 years of showering with grift. Whats an f twixt mates?
    Fast-lane PPE contracts guy is her new chief of staff, so perhaps not much at all.
  • As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    Agreed 1000% railways are a disaster and my only practical travel option outside Norfolk
    We agree a lot wool
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    dixiedean said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
    According to @williamglenn Britain is broken. This is apparently Truss' attempt at unbreaking it.
    AIUI his argument was she's about to make an omelette.
    If I follow the metaphor.
    Still. Will keep her out of bother.
    What if she goes the hard-boiled route?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,914
    edited September 2022
    kle4 said:

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
    Also note that he this morning included "fixed social care" - funded by the NI rise - in his long list of stupendous achievements.

    So has she now unfixed it?
  • Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    Congratulations to Prime Minister Liz Truss.

    I look forward to deepening the special relationship between our countries and working in close cooperation on global challenges, including continued support for Ukraine as it defends itself against Russian aggression.
    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1567184098195537921?s=20&t=_ROrMQd0ibYn062W7OZMPQ
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028

    @MoonRabbit from last thread
    Thats what im waiting to see. The Truss plan and Starmer plan will probably have similar net effects in freezing but truss AIUI is for 2 years and slightly better protects lower end users whilst punishing higher end a bit more.
    The key however is businesses - Davey and Starmers freeze does nothing for them, if Truss does then her plan is superior regardless of raising 4% of the cost via a windfall tax or not.
    No point us all staying warm and there being no businesses left to utilise and work for
    Edit - no business measures and Truss can do one on day one

    Horse Battery can make a fine socialist out of you yet, Woolie if you are selling us a socialist energy price freeze on PB 🤭

    I don’t dislike the element of trying some compulsion of everyone saving energy, but is it enough compulsion and no inherent vice?

    Labours policy would be the best value for money option for the nation, at shielding billpayers from the imminent 80% rise set for October, and another jump in January. The weakness of it though is the crisis will not be over by March 2023.

    My main attack on Truss leaked proposal, and that is all it is, she hasn’t nailed herself to anything, is the need for windfall tax to pay for some it, not just fairness signalling, but the political element of getting much needed buy in from the public.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732
    IanB2 said:

    41% too high?

    Way too high. I think Lab most seats at 2.04 on Bfx is quite good value.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    I think the current polling is a bit of a kicking for the 8 week piss about. I think it hasnt exactly captured the voters imaginations
  • kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
    Also note that he this morning included "fixed social care" in his long list of stupendous achievements.

    Appears she has now unfixed it.
    Believe me it is not fixed.

    It's an f-ing shambles where I live and I am dealing with the consequences at the moment.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    That was rather good

    Disagree.

    She wants to create jobs - as you yourself noted we have record employment.
    She wants to focus on the NHS - which the Cons have been in charge of for 12 yrs.
    She wants us to be "modern and brilliant" - what does she think we are now. And why?
    Yes sorry. Better but not good.

    Only one sleep till PMQs.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,624
    The Tories have had 12 years to sort out the NHS . Truss has been in government for most of that. Her speech was thankfully short !
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 36,605

    I think Liz’s problem is that you can’t simultaneously cut taxes, fend off the energy crisis, deliver more infrastructure investment and manage the deficit.

    One or two of those things need to give.

    Nah, she'll half arse all of them and achieve nothing. It's the British disease IMO.
  • I am not a socialist
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
    There are indeed but this is the first that we have heard precisely how broken and not working it has been these past few years.

    Look, I am delighted that someone has come in, assessed the situation that Britain is not working, and is attempting to right that wrong.

    I mean let's start with those who have been in power this past few years don't you think?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    PM Orbán congratulated the new British PM Liz Truss
    @trussliz
    : The relationship between Hungary and the United Kingdom has traditionally been based on solid foundations, mutual respect, common interests & common goals. HU's committed to strengthening cooperation with the UK
    https://twitter.com/BalazsOrban_HU/status/1567142048477716483?s=20&t=iyE2XJkaQM86L28-jHk0pw
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    HYUFD said:

    PM Orbán congratulated the new British PM Liz Truss
    @trussliz
    : The relationship between Hungary and the United Kingdom has traditionally been based on solid foundations, mutual respect, common interests & common goals. HU's committed to strengthening cooperation with the UK
    https://twitter.com/BalazsOrban_HU/status/1567142048477716483?s=20&t=iyE2XJkaQM86L28-jHk0pw

    That's positively alarming given his interests and goals.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,258
    edited September 2022
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    41% too high?

    Way too high. I think Lab most seats at 2.04 on Bfx is quite good value.
    UK early betting, general election golden rules:

    1 Back the tories
    2 If you don't want to do that, think again and back the tories
    3 If you really, really don't want to do that back no overall control instead.
  • Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!

    I reached that point in 2010 (older than Cameron).
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
    There are indeed but this is the first that we have heard precisely how broken and not working it has been these past few years.

    Look, I am delighted that someone has come in, assessed the situation that Britain is not working, and is attempting to right that wrong.

    I mean let's start with those who have been in power this past few years don't you think?
    No, because that implies trying to resurrect the status quo ante, which, if you remember, is something that even as a Remainer I didn't want.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,743
    The Truss 41% Starmer 57% for PM after next election slightly overstates both of them, given that either of them could fall under the weight of events; but 42% Tory led, 58% Labour led would be a not unreasonable assessment of the odds for which party shall lead the next government.

    I think Truss will get a bounce in the polls for now, as the oceans of free money drives it; beyond that the crystal ball is cloudy.

    I don't think a Tory poll lead on a t least one occasion over the next 6 weeks or so is impossible.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!

    I reached that point in 2010 (older than Cameron).
    Seventeen years since he became LOTO.

    He was the future, once.
  • Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
    According to @williamglenn Britain is broken. This is apparently Truss' attempt at unbreaking it.
    AIUI his argument was she's about to make an omelette.
    If I follow the metaphor.
    Still. Will keep her out of bother.
    What if she goes the hard-boiled route?
    That's what I'm a-fried of.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
    There are indeed but this is the first that we have heard precisely how broken and not working it has been these past few years.

    Look, I am delighted that someone has come in, assessed the situation that Britain is not working, and is attempting to right that wrong.

    I mean let's start with those who have been in power this past few years don't you think?
    No, because that implies trying to resurrect the status quo ante, which, if you remember, is something that even as a Remainer I didn't want.
    I think it is "brave" for an incoming PM belonging to the same party as has been in power for the past decade, and of which she has been a leading member, and to pronounce that Britain is not working.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 3,041
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Prime minister Liz Truss in her first speech outside No.10:

    “Now is the time to tackle the issues that are holding Britain back.”

    https://twitter.com/SophiaSleigh/status/1567183127134584838


    Brexit...

    Really? Still? To you, Brexit is still Britain's #1 issue?
    And it will be until we have rejoined.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
    Yes but politics and the general perception of Britain as a well governed country has been dragged to a new level of depravity and toe curling embarrassment by Boris Johnson. I hope that Truss can restore a little of the Tories previous reputation for being in favour of good governance. I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,603

    Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!

    You could always move to the US…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    edited September 2022
    Dynamo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Speech wasn't too bad. She does better when she doesn't have to stop for audience applause. So similar to Theresa I get the feeling she doesn't really "do" people. Which is unfortunate as it's the people that are going to have to vote for her in the end...

    Truss doesn't "do" people = she has no charisma.
    TMay had some.
    Truss seems less personable than any PM since Gordon Brown.
    She is lucky that Keir Starmer has no charisma either and is less personable than any Labour leader since ... Gordon Brown.
    The next general election will be between the 2 dullest leaders of the main parties since at least Heath v Wilson but at least Wilson had some folksy charisma.

    Indeed you probably have to go back to the 1922 general election and Bonar Law as the new Conservative PM v Clynes as Leader of the Labour Party which overtook the Liberals as the main opposition to find Tory and Labour leaders so dull
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,624
    Andy_JS said:

    "Suella Braverman was told by Liz Truss that she would be made Home Secretary “absolutely ages ago”, according to a source familiar with discussions. “Suella has been busy getting background briefings, reading think-tank reports - really getting to grips with it,” they said."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/09/06/liz-truss-cabinet-appointments/

    Getting to grips with it ! Braverman is clueless and will be just as hopeless and nasty as her predecessor.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
    There are indeed but this is the first that we have heard precisely how broken and not working it has been these past few years.

    Look, I am delighted that someone has come in, assessed the situation that Britain is not working, and is attempting to right that wrong.

    I mean let's start with those who have been in power this past few years don't you think?
    Wasn't that basically the message in 2019? Totally new government, nothing to do with the idiots in charge before, pure coincidence that we all wear the same rosettes...
  • Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!

    I have been drifting in and out of that state since 2010. I was older than Cameron, significantly younger than May, very slightly younger than Johnson and now significantly older than Truss.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,433

    Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!

    There would have been a lot more of us in that position, had the contest gone to the child of the ‘80s Rishi.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019
    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Speech wasn't too bad. She does better when she doesn't have to stop for audience applause. So similar to Theresa I get the feeling she doesn't really "do" people. Which is unfortunate as it's the people that are going to have to vote for her in the end...

    Truss doesn't "do" people = she has no charisma.
    TMay had some.
    Truss seems less personable than any PM since Gordon Brown.
    She is lucky that Keir Starmer has no charisma either and is less personable than any Labour leader since ... Gordon Brown.
    The next general election will be between the 2 dullest leaders of the main parties since at least Heath v Wilson but at least Wilson had some folksy charisma.

    Indeed you probably have to go back to the 1922 general election and Bonar Law as the new Conservative PM v Clynes as Leader of the Labour Party which had just overtaken the Liberals as the main opposition to find Tory and Labour leaders so dull
    We will now see if the UK really is in the mood for those promising boring but competent policies.
  • As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    She didn't mention railways. Just building roads. Twice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042
    How are they going to select soundbites from that for the news ?
    Dreadful.

    Fingers crossed she can govern better than she speaks.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028
    HYUFD said:

    Stereodog said:

    I can’t get over how badly she delivers a speech. Her intonation is all over the place and half the time she sounds like one of those computer text readers.

    Starmer will now be the more charismatic and fluent of the two, who would have thought that Sir Keir would be more charismatic than the Tory PM a few months ago? Certainly Truss needs some strong policies in the next few weeks to make an impact with the electorate
    “ who would have thought that Sir Keir would be more charismatic than the Tory PM a few months ago “

    Errrrrr at least one PBer has been screaming all year “leave Boris alone or you will regret it!” 🫢
  • DriverDriver Posts: 3,041
    edited September 2022

    As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    Remember that railway users are richer on average than the population as a whole, so you need to be careful to avoid the poor subsidising the rich.
  • HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Speech wasn't too bad. She does better when she doesn't have to stop for audience applause. So similar to Theresa I get the feeling she doesn't really "do" people. Which is unfortunate as it's the people that are going to have to vote for her in the end...

    Truss doesn't "do" people = she has no charisma.
    TMay had some.
    Truss seems less personable than any PM since Gordon Brown.
    She is lucky that Keir Starmer has no charisma either and is less personable than any Labour leader since ... Gordon Brown.
    The next general election will be between the 2 dullest leaders of the main parties since at least Heath v Wilson but at least Wilson had some folksy charisma.

    Indeed you probably have to go back to the 1922 general election and Bonar Law as the new Conservative PM v Clynes as Leader of the Labour Party which had just overtaken the Liberals as the main opposition to find Tory and Labour leaders so dull
    Seeing the last election was a clown versus a loonytune communist geography teacher, I will happily take boring or dull every time.
  • As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    She didn't mention railways. Just building roads. Twice.
    Good. About time politicians stop banging on about railways and started concentrating on roads. Right priorities there. 👍
  • PJHPJH Posts: 274

    Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!

    I reached that point in 2010 (older than Cameron).
    Me too - by a few days :s
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019
    edited September 2022

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
    There are indeed but this is the first that we have heard precisely how broken and not working it has been these past few years.

    Look, I am delighted that someone has come in, assessed the situation that Britain is not working, and is attempting to right that wrong.

    I mean let's start with those who have been in power this past few years don't you think?
    Wasn't that basically the message in 2019? Totally new government, nothing to do with the idiots in charge before, pure coincidence that we all wear the same rosettes...
    I believe it was. I think that the public (with the exception of @williamglenn) will not swallow it this time round.

    Although for reasons of Brexit I think there was a more legitimate claim in 2019 to be a break from the past than now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    Agreed 1000% railways are a disaster and my only practical travel option outside Norfolk
    We agree a lot wool
    In politics many often do on many things. Economically i could exist quite comfortably on various issues at various points in the Labour party. My problem with them is they are a complete anathema to my libertarian instincts and the baggage. The weight of self satisfied judgmental arsery that dominates the left and what i perceive as an inability to accept 'wrongthink'. And the blissful/wilful ignorance of their bigotry on certain things.
    All reasons i long for their failure.
    The Tories are fuckers, but they leave me alone. Huzzah for that.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Driver said:

    As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    Remember that railway users are richer on average than the population as a whole, so you need to be careful to avoid the poor subsidising the rich.
    Working population vs unemployed, pensioners and schoolkids and babies?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Get Britain working again?

    Working has a second meaning.
    Oh, you mean Boris broke it? I didn't think that was your new way of thinking.
    You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, and once the eggs are broken, it's better to make the omelette than try to put them back together again.
    Hmm has this been the line all along, that we are breaking eggs? My recollection is that we would have intact eggs as we were making the omelette.

    You can't rewrite history quite so easily.

    If Britain is broken you don't need to look far to see who broke it.
    There are serious problems that go back to the mid 90s. It certainly wasn't all wonderful before 2016.
    There are indeed but this is the first that we have heard precisely how broken and not working it has been these past few years.

    Look, I am delighted that someone has come in, assessed the situation that Britain is not working, and is attempting to right that wrong.

    I mean let's start with those who have been in power this past few years don't you think?
    Wasn't that basically the message in 2019? Totally new government, nothing to do with the idiots in charge before, pure coincidence that we all wear the same rosettes...
    Which is why headlining her acceptance speech and today with Boris love was non ideal. People loved the man, not his policies.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,175
    Despite speculation, awkward wooden thing outside No 10 is NOT Liz Truss, says govt. https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1567183792359489537/photo/1
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Scott_xP said:

    Despite speculation, awkward wooden thing outside No 10 is NOT Liz Truss, says govt. https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status/1567183792359489537/photo/1

    Can we make the awkward wooden thing PM?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 15,145
    edited September 2022
    Hmmm. Just back from a hospital diabetic checkup appointment. When asked the nurse and the consultant said they are mainly back to normal face-to-face appointments, and cracking on as per pre-Covid. Impressive.

    Is this speech a must-watch?

    For those interested, closed loop pumps are quite close to being available, and disposable insulin "patch" pumps (you stick a new one on every 3 days, and no need for a separate feed-line) are available on prescription for those desirous and so advised. At least in my not very high-powered hospital.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028

    Labour lead by 17% in the Red Wall.

    Red Wall Voting Intention (4 September):

    Labour 48% (+1)
    Conservative 31% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 7% (-1)
    Reform UK 7% (+2)
    Green 5% (+2)
    Plaid Cymru 1% (-1)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 21 August

    Reform very high in the red wall.
  • Well I have now reached that point in life when I am older than the PM.

    Youngsters running the country!

    I have been drifting in and out of that state since 2010. I was older than Cameron, significantly younger than May, very slightly younger than Johnson and now significantly older than Truss.
    I am guessing you were born in 1966?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 3,041

    @MoonRabbit from last thread
    Thats what im waiting to see. The Truss plan and Starmer plan will probably have similar net effects in freezing but truss AIUI is for 2 years and slightly better protects lower end users whilst punishing higher end a bit more.
    The key however is businesses - Davey and Starmers freeze does nothing for them, if Truss does then her plan is superior regardless of raising 4% of the cost via a windfall tax or not.
    No point us all staying warm and there being no businesses left to utilise and work for
    Edit - no business measures and Truss can do one on day one

    Horse Battery can make a fine socialist out of you yet, Woolie if you are selling us a socialist energy price freeze on PB 🤭

    I don’t dislike the element of trying some compulsion of everyone saving energy, but is it enough compulsion and no inherent vice?

    Labours policy would be the best value for money option for the nation, at shielding billpayers from the imminent 80% rise set for October, and another jump in January. The weakness of it though is the crisis will not be over by March 2023.

    My main attack on Truss leaked proposal, and that is all it is, she hasn’t nailed herself to anything, is the need for windfall tax to pay for some it, not just fairness signalling, but the political element of getting much needed buy in from the public.
    The problems with the windfall tax idea include, but are not limited to:

    (a) Not all "energy firms" have made massive profits. The energy suppliers - the firms that ordinary people actually deal with - really haven't;
    (b) Those firms that have made bigger profits than usual are in many cases just balancing out the losses they made during lockdown. Why should we tax the profits but not compensate the losses?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,914

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    BBC: First tax cut from Truss is to reverse the rise in NI.

    Your regular reminder that I said on here, repeatedly at the time, that the ludicrous jobs tax would either be canned before it was implemented or reversed in short order. It was, I said, the Tory equivalent of Brown's 10p infamous tax.

    Various credulous PBers, such as Big G said that it could not be reversed. It has lasted just five months. I was right. The PB Credulants were wrong.

    All noted, I hope.

    Praising Boris then immediately reversing one of his signature policies (don't anyone give me that guff that it was not his, he was the boss after all).
    Also note that he this morning included "fixed social care" in his long list of stupendous achievements.

    Appears she has now unfixed it.
    Believe me it is not fixed.

    It's an f-ing shambles where I live and I am dealing with the consequences at the moment.
    No, I know. They raise tax saying it's to fix social care. But the money goes to the NHS backlog instead. Johnson leaves, saying he fixed social care. Truss arrives and cancels the tax rise.

    It's all such a charade. Have we ever had such pisspoor government? Not that I can recall.
  • Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    41% too high?

    Way too high. I think Lab most seats at 2.04 on Bfx is quite good value.
    UK early betting, general election golden rules:

    1 Back the tories
    2 If you don't want to do that, think again and back the tories
    3 If you really, really don't want to do that back no overall control instead.
    The most sensible thing I have read on here for a while, they have all the money, and 80% of the media in their pocket, why would you back against them, the dice is always loaded in their favour, no matter how they fuck things up
  • MattWMattW Posts: 15,145
    edited September 2022
    FPT on that Scottish Govt rent-freeze.

    ydoethur said:

    Well, that comes as a complete surprise:

    John Blackwood, Chief Executive of the Scottish Association of Landlords (SAL), responds to the rent freeze announcement

    " I have been inundated by landlords saying they will be removing their vacant properties from the rental market, and I don’t blame them.”


    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1567147873434755072

    So basically this is a fabulous policy for existing tenants and leaves the rest more buggered than a reluctant Turkish conscript?

    I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you.
    So, a central control policy that has the same effects that every other rent control policy has had. Everywhere in the world.
    I'd be interested to see what the actual policy is. Of course LLs can't move until they know where they stand.

    There's some as per normal wibble from a Green Party MSP:

    With soaring inflation, skyrocketing bills and increasing rents, these are desperate times for tenants all across Scotland.”
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-announces-rent-freeze-to-help-tackle-cost-of-living-crisis-3832580

    In fact Scottish Government published data show that rents in Scotland to February 2022 increased by 2.6% over 12 months, that is a real terms *cut* of 3.3%. They even provided a graph to help the Greens to understand it.
    https://www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-housing-market-review-q1-2022/pages/4/



    In that context, any kind of "freeze" seems bizarre, other than for pupulist damn-the-consequences-for-tenants signalling.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 274
    Nigelb said:

    How are they going to select soundbites from that for the news ?
    Dreadful.

    Fingers crossed she can govern better than she speaks.

    As a non-Tory listening on the radio I thought she came across OK. I noticed a couple of odd pauses or emphases but no more than the average speaker.

    But the odd thing was that apart from the tax cuts bit, it sounded like what an incoming Labour PM might say.
  • Driver said:

    @MoonRabbit from last thread
    Thats what im waiting to see. The Truss plan and Starmer plan will probably have similar net effects in freezing but truss AIUI is for 2 years and slightly better protects lower end users whilst punishing higher end a bit more.
    The key however is businesses - Davey and Starmers freeze does nothing for them, if Truss does then her plan is superior regardless of raising 4% of the cost via a windfall tax or not.
    No point us all staying warm and there being no businesses left to utilise and work for
    Edit - no business measures and Truss can do one on day one

    Horse Battery can make a fine socialist out of you yet, Woolie if you are selling us a socialist energy price freeze on PB 🤭

    I don’t dislike the element of trying some compulsion of everyone saving energy, but is it enough compulsion and no inherent vice?

    Labours policy would be the best value for money option for the nation, at shielding billpayers from the imminent 80% rise set for October, and another jump in January. The weakness of it though is the crisis will not be over by March 2023.

    My main attack on Truss leaked proposal, and that is all it is, she hasn’t nailed herself to anything, is the need for windfall tax to pay for some it, not just fairness signalling, but the political element of getting much needed buy in from the public.
    The problems with the windfall tax idea include, but are not limited to:

    (a) Not all "energy firms" have made massive profits. The energy suppliers - the firms that ordinary people actually deal with - really haven't;
    (b) Those firms that have made bigger profits than usual are in many cases just balancing out the losses they made during lockdown. Why should we tax the profits but not compensate the losses?
    (c) we need vast investment in energy generation to drive energy independence. Why would firms invest if the profits are taxed away?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    edited September 2022

    @MoonRabbit from last thread
    Thats what im waiting to see. The Truss plan and Starmer plan will probably have similar net effects in freezing but truss AIUI is for 2 years and slightly better protects lower end users whilst punishing higher end a bit more.
    The key however is businesses - Davey and Starmers freeze does nothing for them, if Truss does then her plan is superior regardless of raising 4% of the cost via a windfall tax or not.
    No point us all staying warm and there being no businesses left to utilise and work for
    Edit - no business measures and Truss can do one on day one

    Horse Battery can make a fine socialist out of you yet, Woolie if you are selling us a socialist energy price freeze on PB 🤭

    I don’t dislike the element of trying some compulsion of everyone saving energy, but is it enough compulsion and no inherent vice?

    Labours policy would be the best value for money option for the nation, at shielding billpayers from the imminent 80% rise set for October, and another jump in January. The weakness of it though is the crisis will not be over by March 2023.

    My main attack on Truss leaked proposal, and that is all it is, she hasn’t nailed herself to anything, is the need for windfall tax to pay for some it, not just fairness signalling, but the political element of getting much needed buy in from the public.
    A windfall tax already exists though. I could see the logic of extending its duration as a signal only, not its scope.
    Labours policy leaves business to wither on the vine. Economically catastrophic for millions via job losses, services lost etc. It was too rushed, too limited in scope and too focussed on 'getting in the news'
  • Nigelb said:

    How are they going to select soundbites from that for the news ?
    Dreadful.

    Fingers crossed she can govern better than she speaks.

    I bet the CBI are looking forward to their next PM speech. It will be dull but I doubt it will mention Peppa. Unless she decides to troll her predecessor of course!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,175
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,028

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer leads Truss by 7% in the Red Wall.

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do voters think would be the better PM for the United Kingdom? (4 September)

    Keir Starmer 39% (–)
    Liz Truss 32% (-3)
    Don't Know 29% (+3)

    Changes +/- 21 August
    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1567183409318862849?s=20&t=_ROrMQd0ibYn062W7OZMPQ

    Wrong

    That poll was on the 4th September before the last 24 hours, not at this moment

    I do not expect polls to improve before we have heard the announcements
    You do expect polls to improve though?

    Care to add some detail on what “improve” actually is - You predicting Tory share of 35 in a few polls, consistently 34 maybe?

    Why on earth are you expecting improved Big G, talk us through the logic.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042

    HYUFD said:

    Stereodog said:

    I can’t get over how badly she delivers a speech. Her intonation is all over the place and half the time she sounds like one of those computer text readers.

    Starmer will now be the more charismatic and fluent of the two, who would have thought that Sir Keir would be more charismatic than the Tory PM a few months ago? Certainly Truss needs some strong policies in the next few weeks to make an impact with the electorate
    “ who would have thought that Sir Keir would be more charismatic than the Tory PM a few months ago “

    Errrrrr at least one PBer has been screaming all year “leave Boris alone or you will regret it!” 🫢
    Curiously I found her incoherent drone easier to listen to than Boris.

    Let's see she how she does as PM.
    (I have low expectations, but am prepared to be surprised.)
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 107
    edited September 2022

    EXCLUSIVE: Keir Starmer has been having presentation lessons and I understand has recently undergone procedures to think his nasal voice.

    I'm reminded of a quote from one of the title characters from 'The Golden Girls': 'It's a shame to do all that and keep that hairdo.'

    In all seriousness, I don't think he is particularly peculiar looking or sounding. The worst I could think to say is that his face is inclined to be a little florid - such a trait has been shared by dozens of other Prime Ministers (most recently, Cameron) so is hardly an inhibition. Other than the length of his speeches I am not sure that much needs to change. If he loses the next election to Liz Truss it won't be because he was the worse speaker of the two.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 3,041
    Carnyx said:

    Driver said:

    As a young person I will tell you of my priorities from PM Truss:

    CoL - energy bills
    Housing - we need to build lots of houses and bring prices down so we can get on the ladder
    Education - sort out tuition fees
    Transport - fix rising costs and terrible service

    I will judge PM Truss on those

    So with the 2 quid bus fare cap, if there is an extensive energy bills package this week you'll be thinking what a start!
    Yes bus cap is a good start but we need work on the railways too.
    Remember that railway users are richer on average than the population as a whole, so you need to be careful to avoid the poor subsidising the rich.
    Working population vs unemployed, pensioners and schoolkids and babies?
    First link on Google: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/travel/articles-reports/2018/12/31/four-ten-brits-havent-set-foot-train-last-12-month

    More than four in ten (42%) of those who have made more than 50 train journeys in the last year live in a high income household (i.e. which we have classified as any household with a combined income of £40,000 or more). Just 10% live in a low income household – which we have classified as one where the combined income is less than £20,000 a year.

    By contrast, only 14% of those who never use the train are in higher income households, while 31% are in lower income households.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147

    Labour lead by 17% in the Red Wall.

    Red Wall Voting Intention (4 September):

    Labour 48% (+1)
    Conservative 31% (-3)
    Liberal Democrat 7% (-1)
    Reform UK 7% (+2)
    Green 5% (+2)
    Plaid Cymru 1% (-1)
    Other 1% (–)

    Changes +/- 21 August

    Reform very high in the red wall.
    Reform level with the LDs in the redwall now, in a Starmer v Truss snoozeville election, Nige may well fancy his chances to bring some populist charisma back into the contest. He could return as leader for the umpteenth time of UKIP/RefUK
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    Scott_xP said:
    In fairness, if people want support is there anyone but taxpayers who will be on the hook?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,603
    mickydroy said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    41% too high?

    Way too high. I think Lab most seats at 2.04 on Bfx is quite good value.
    UK early betting, general election golden rules:

    1 Back the tories
    2 If you don't want to do that, think again and back the tories
    3 If you really, really don't want to do that back no overall control instead.
    The most sensible thing I have read on here for a while, they have all the money, and 80% of the media in their pocket, why would you back against them, the dice is always loaded in their favour, no matter how they fuck things up
    People used to say things like that during the 80s and early 90s
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