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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,822

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    We have it on good authority from HYUFD that when the ballot box fails the Armalite option is the one that gets results.
  • Pulpstar said:

    If gas prices are so terrible what is the possibility for using alternative energy sources? The oil price has started coming down again. Now $86 for WTI crude.

    We blew up all our oil fired power stations.
    We could do like in the 1970s. Park locomotives in towns. Connect jumper cables from their electrical generator to the local substation. Use loco to generate power instead of driving traction motors.
  • Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    LMAO, she really shouldn't waste her money
    Her money? Her donor's money, surely.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    He wants boosters for all (no mention of how many, probably another dozen) and masks on public transport
    Git. Turd. Prat. Arsehole
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,799
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    Must have got my Presidential Sidekicks muddled up; I thought he had popped his clogs.
    Dick Cheney is still alive, he did a video for his daughter last week. Called Trump a coward and a liar. Hasn't done much good, of course. I find Liz Cheney an extremely effective speaker but I really struggle to see where she gets a base from to have a serious run for President.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    Don't do it Liz, it probably won't make a difference and it'll just be years of awfulness.
    The Dems might be better off trying to split the republican vote than going after Trump.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    I don't know whether NI voters would choose to join the Republic now or in the near future, but Westminster doesn't seem to have any clue whatsoever how to keep them part of the family.

    Disagree with the approach taking re Scotland (resist the SNP, hope for events to help, talk about more devolution) or not as effective, they at least think about it. Northern Irish politics, despite the shifts of Sinn Fein in the last 10 years, hardly seems to have budged an inch since the Good Friday agreement, and that's not a good thing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    LMAO, she really shouldn't waste her money
    Her money? Her donor's money, surely.
    True, although who's looking at a 37% loss in her primary and thinking 'yep, great place to invest for influence later'
    She is part of political history now
  • kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Northern Ireland.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    edited August 2022

    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    He wants boosters for all (no mention of how many, probably another dozen) and masks on public transport
    Git. Turd. Prat. Arsehole
    What constituency is he trying to appeal to here?

    Are the selfish elderly who run the country (via the Tory Party) clamouring for face masks again?

    Today I am taking my kids to the Fire Engine Museum because the Math Museum (better than it sounds) has a draconian Covid policy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    LMAO, she really shouldn't waste her money
    Her money? Her donor's money, surely.
    True, although who's looking at a 37% loss in her primary and thinking 'yep, great place to invest for influence later'
    She is part of political history now
    Broadly true, but she's presumably not looking to win, only to spoil. Whilst I don't think that likely either, it's at least conceivable as an aim, particularly given how close some of the key states were.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,687
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:
    That is quite insane


    It's one room. In Taplow. £130k!
    We will find Horse his dream home.
    Got it. He's just gotta go a couple of miles north, to Jarrow

    Three beds, spacious, pleasant neighborhood, £5,000


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125093444#/?channel=RES_BUY
    But then he’d have to live in Jarrow…
    Horse works in it same as me, I was looking for a new job a couple of months ago and there are huge numbers of remote roles paying over 50k. He could live anywhere in the country and still do the same sort of job at the same wage now. Just as I have done. The fact is you fit your accomodation to your salary depending upon your preferences. Horse prefers living in London over buying a house simple as that.
    I know, I was doing a bantz about Jarra
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Northern Ireland.
    That would be too obviously a punishment, I think Truss would be canny enough to offer him something technically substantial but unwanted and unloved.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 15,145

    Angel tube is closed 1 day in 5 because of Covid-related illness, reports the BBC.

    Am I getting a highly partial view due to my media bubble, or is the UK totally coming apart at the seams? It’s incredibly depressing, I don’t want the place to implode.

    Where is @Sunil_Prasannan when we need him? Isn't Angel lifts-only (not escalators) between platforms and surface? Would that be a factor?

    Ah, TfL says Angel was sacrificed in order to keep open Old Street station (Silicon Roundabout & Moorfields Eye Hospital).
    https://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/traffic/angel-station-closed-9213768
    No. Angel is skiiing championships - longest escalators in the Underground.

    https://youtu.be/rlF4nRUbKmc?t=54
  • Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    He wants boosters for all (no mention of how many, probably another dozen) and masks on public transport
    Git. Turd. Prat. Arsehole
    What constituency is he trying to appeal to here?

    Are the selfish elderly who run the country (via the Tory Party) clamouring for face masks again?

    Today I am taking my kids to the Fire Engine Museum because the Math Museum (better than it sounds) has a draconian Covid policy.
    Its a bizarre intervention. He is talking about winter too, why even piss people off with this months early
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    Or, we have lost interest in it and think it should have been cancelled after the second series. Thing is, he might actually be right: what gets lost in the overall doominess of the coming crisis is how it is going to be a specifically NHS crisis as much as anything else, because the NHS is so on the back foot anyway and increased health problems because no food/fuel.

    And it could be worse than masks. As I pointed out last night the most elegant way to shut down much of the country to save fuel, is lockdown. Watch for reports of an unprecedentedly virulent strain in late October. Porton Down are on it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 11,183
    edited August 2022

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Why would he do that?

    I have a friend on Facebook who's decided they have to mask up because of Monkeypox.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,799
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Yes he should be watching out for agents from Special Cricumstances.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Shit, I never knew that expression, and I used to get paid to do ancient history. Thank you.
  • kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Northern Ireland.
    That would be too obviously a punishment, I think Truss would be canny enough to offer him something technically substantial but unwanted and unloved.
    Health or education.

    Politically dead by next spring.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    LMAO, she really shouldn't waste her money
    Her money? Her donor's money, surely.
    True, although who's looking at a 37% loss in her primary and thinking 'yep, great place to invest for influence later'
    She is part of political history now
    Broadly true, but she's presumably not looking to win, only to spoil. Whilst I don't think that likely either, it's at least conceivable as an aim, particularly given how close some of the key states were.
    But who does she hurt? She might end up attracting moderate Dems due to her Trump stance whilst republicans just ignore her
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,853
    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    Or, we have lost interest in it and think it should have been cancelled after the second series. Thing is, he might actually be right: what gets lost in the overall doominess of the coming crisis is how it is going to be a specifically NHS crisis as much as anything else, because the NHS is so on the back foot anyway and increased health problems because no food/fuel.

    And it could be worse than masks. As I pointed out last night the most elegant way to shut down much of the country to save fuel, is lockdown. Watch for reports of an unprecedentedly virulent strain in late October. Porton Down are on it.
    Every time i visit the hospital it's shorts and t-shirt temperature.
    What on earth is the NHS heating bill going to be this winter ?
  • Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    edited August 2022

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Why would he do that?

    I have a friend on Facebook who's decided they have to mask up because of Monkeypox.
    Lol really? I mean thats just inane. Sorry if its a good friend but yeah even the weirdos from WHO arent gunning for monkeypox masking
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Techbros

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/adjustable-switching-precision-charging-interface/dp/B0B121WMHN/

    Seeing as this has usb A out, could I buy one and just use it as sodding great external power pack for fones n tablets so I can continue to educate, inform and entertain thru the power cuts?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 3,041

    Endillion said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    That's why Truss wants to cut the taxes of people like you. She's on your side. :smile:
    Lovely. And, just in case predictions of growth generation or yet more efficiency savings do not bear out, what will get cut?

    I'm not opposed to reductions, but there seems a lot of promises to meet.
    She'll protect pensioners and make people work suffer by cutting more of our services and letting house prices go up, let our student fees explode upwards too.

    The current Tories are pricks
    What will sks do?
    Not much it seems, perhaps he should build some houses and sort out student debt.

    Still better than this lot that have had 13 years to do something and done fuck all for me.
    I don't really know what "sort out student debt" means in this context - presumably it is not the Corbyn approach of pretending to have a policy to forgive all outstanding loans, even those used to pay maintenance rather than fees.

    If it's a reference to reducing the sky high interest rates expected on loans from this year, anything Starmer does will most likely be regressive - as only the top earning graduates have any chance of paying the debt down to zero before it expires. For the vast majority of students, it makes no practical difference whether the rate their debt accumulates at is 4% or 4,000%.
    No practical difference but a psychological, economic and perhaps psephological effect if graduates feel weighed down by debt they cannot pay off, even if in practice they will not have to.
    This could be best solved by everyone stopping pretending that the capped graduate tax is a debt.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    He wants boosters for all (no mention of how many, probably another dozen) and masks on public transport
    Git. Turd. Prat. Arsehole
    What constituency is he trying to appeal to here?

    Are the selfish elderly who run the country (via the Tory Party) clamouring for face masks again?

    Today I am taking my kids to the Fire Engine Museum because the Math Museum (better than it sounds) has a draconian Covid policy.
    Its a bizarre intervention. He is talking about winter too, why even piss people off with this months early
    Winter Is Coming. It is not too early to start prepping for it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,230

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    LMAO, she really shouldn't waste her money
    Her money? Her donor's money, surely.
    True, although who's looking at a 37% loss in her primary and thinking 'yep, great place to invest for influence later'
    She is part of political history now
    Broadly true, but she's presumably not looking to win, only to spoil. Whilst I don't think that likely either, it's at least conceivable as an aim, particularly given how close some of the key states were.
    But who does she hurt? She might end up attracting moderate Dems due to her Trump stance whilst republicans just ignore her
    Unlikely. She's solidly right wing even by Republican standards. She's just anti-Trump. I can't see her attraction to moderates or Independents.
    There is political space for a Centrist anti-Trump Republican. But she isn't one.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 917
    IshmaelZ said:

    Techbros

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/adjustable-switching-precision-charging-interface/dp/B0B121WMHN/

    Seeing as this has usb A out, could I buy one and just use it as sodding great external power pack for fones n tablets so I can continue to educate, inform and entertain thru the power cuts?

    You will have to plug it in to something.
  • Betfair next prime minister
    1.09 Liz Truss 92%
    11.5 Rishi Sunak 9%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.09 Liz Truss 92%
    11.5 Rishi Sunak 9%

    Pre-hustings

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.08 Liz Truss 93%
    13 Rishi Sunak 8%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.08 Liz Truss 93%
    12 Rishi Sunak 8%
    Belfast hustings ended with:-

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.08 Liz Truss 93%
    13 Rishi Sunak 8%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.08 Liz Truss 93%
    12.5 Rishi Sunak 8%
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Techbros

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/adjustable-switching-precision-charging-interface/dp/B0B121WMHN/

    Seeing as this has usb A out, could I buy one and just use it as sodding great external power pack for fones n tablets so I can continue to educate, inform and entertain thru the power cuts?

    You will have to plug it in to something.
    It might come precharged... But is it what it looks like, a socking great battery?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,799
    The really important question is whether the rain in London is going to last enough of the next 4 days to prevent England from going 1-0 down in a test series yet again. It's going to have to be pretty consistent from here.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393
    Former Peterborough councillor, first elected in 1954, has died at the age of 92. Charles Swift OBE.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-62572929
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Shit, I never knew that expression, and I used to get paid to do ancient history. Thank you.
    I got it from Cicero...on the HBO series Rome.
  • Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    As only a tiny minority of bigots in NI have those views, your straw man fails.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,491
    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    He wants boosters for all (no mention of how many, probably another dozen) and masks on public transport
    Git. Turd. Prat. Arsehole
    What constituency is he trying to appeal to here?

    Are the selfish elderly who run the country (via the Tory Party) clamouring for face masks again?

    Today I am taking my kids to the Fire Engine Museum because the Math Museum (better than it sounds) has a draconian Covid policy.
    Its a bizarre intervention. He is talking about winter too, why even piss people off with this months early
    Winter Is Coming. It is not too early to start prepping for it.
    The way we go between extremes I think it quite likely we'll go from scorching summer straight into Winter.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 11,183

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Why would he do that?

    I have a friend on Facebook who's decided they have to mask up because of Monkeypox.
    Lol really? I mean thats just inane. Sorry if its a good friend but yeah even the weirdos from WHO arent gunning for monkeypox masking
    Yes. PB's favourite Eric from Twitter has been cited. The droplets/fomites/aerosol uncertainty in the early days of Covid is being appealed to.

    They had a pretty bad bout of Covid, but, well, it's just as well they don't live close by. We had someone round to give us a moving quote and my wife didn't stick a mask on, so she's making progress.
  • kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Shit, I never knew that expression, and I used to get paid to do ancient history. Thank you.
    I got it from Cicero...on the HBO series Rome.
    Cicero got it from Finnish social media.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 11,183
    IshmaelZ said:

    Techbros

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/adjustable-switching-precision-charging-interface/dp/B0B121WMHN/

    Seeing as this has usb A out, could I buy one and just use it as sodding great external power pack for fones n tablets so I can continue to educate, inform and entertain thru the power cuts?

    Doesn't seem to have a battery or generate electricity. Seems to be a large transformer for converting AC input to DC output at precise voltages and currents for use with specialist instruments.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Techbros

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/adjustable-switching-precision-charging-interface/dp/B0B121WMHN/

    Seeing as this has usb A out, could I buy one and just use it as sodding great external power pack for fones n tablets so I can continue to educate, inform and entertain thru the power cuts?

    Doesn't seem to have a battery or generate electricity. Seems to be a large transformer for converting AC input to DC output at precise voltages and currents for use with specialist instruments.
    thank you.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393
    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Be glad. Most of the time life seems to go by too fast. This contest is slowing it down.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 10,172
    edited August 2022

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    As only a tiny minority of bigots in NI have those views, your straw man fails.
    One of the questions that was put to Truss today was about abortion to birth being allowed for conditions like Cleft Pallette etc. An opinion poll claims that 72% of NI voters oppose that law: https://care.org.uk/news/2020/06/new-poll-shows-majority-in-ni-opposed-to-abortion-to-birth-for-disabilities

    So that's considerably more opposition to what Westminster did than it is on anything else, if you're going on polls like that.

    I'm glad Westminster ignored the 72% that opinion poll found and I'm glad Truss reinforced that today too.
    Either Westminster has the power to legislate, or it doesn't, you can't cherrypick that bits you like and claim the rest is undemocratic.

    If NI voters want to be in a union with England etc then that means Westminster will sometimes make decisions you don't like. Truss explicitly said today in response to the abortion question that's part of being in a union. 👍

    EDIT: Here you go, as Truss said "that is what being a union is": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62566833?ns_mchannel=social&amp;ns_source=twitter&amp;ns_campaign=bbc_live&amp;ns_linkname=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&Abortion law should apply across UK - Truss&2022-08-17T12:41:07.726Z&amp;ns_fee=0&amp;pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:25fefc01-b582-4a14-aa75-1c700d53b591&amp;pinned_post_asset_id=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&amp;pinned_post_type=share
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Why would he do that?

    I have a friend on Facebook who's decided they have to mask up because of Monkeypox.
    Lol really? I mean thats just inane. Sorry if its a good friend but yeah even the weirdos from WHO arent gunning for monkeypox masking
    Yes. PB's favourite Eric from Twitter has been cited. The droplets/fomites/aerosol uncertainty in the early days of Covid is being appealed to.

    They had a pretty bad bout of Covid, but, well, it's just as well they don't live close by. We had someone round to give us a moving quote and my wife didn't stick a mask on, so she's making progress.
    Fungal Dungal? Yeah i think we can assume if monkey was airborne we'd be seeing more cases than we are. He'll be suggesting the cold has mutated into an ebola level threat next. Dreadful fakespert
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 917
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Techbros

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/adjustable-switching-precision-charging-interface/dp/B0B121WMHN/

    Seeing as this has usb A out, could I buy one and just use it as sodding great external power pack for fones n tablets so I can continue to educate, inform and entertain thru the power cuts?

    You will have to plug it in to something.
    It might come precharged... But is it what it looks like, a socking great battery?
    Seems like a variable DC power supply, for electronics types. i.e. it needs mains AC to do its job.

    Batteries not included.

    Something like this is preferable. I'd by reputable. Dodgy circuits and lithium cells have a habit of igniting.*

    *See cheap ebikes and house fires

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-PowerHouse-Portable-Generator-Emergency/dp/B08PCYF3Y4/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=anker+powerhouse&qid=1660742456&sr=8-3
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 10,955

    Relatedly,

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Strikes me Truss' fate may end up depressingly based on whether our amount of being fucked is noticably more or less than the rest of the West

    If your dire forebodings are right, we are heading into the worst winter since WW2, apart from the Covid winter of 2021. Great!

    I don't see how economies everywhere can avoid severe contraction. If energy prices go up 300% then businesses will simply shut down for the winter as that is probably cheaper and maybe the only way of surviving. Pubs, restaurants, libraries, museums, everything.

    Which implies a 5% fall in GDP? 10%?? Across the west?

    Jeez
    That is precisely my question.

    The US is mostly protected from this.
    My electricity bill hasn’t really changed at all since I arrived, and it’s incredibly low.
    Petrol is obviously a lot cheaper.

    You’ve just said that London is booming, which is reassuring, but how does this square with the stark economic realities?
    It's a proper conundrum. My head tells me some terrible stuff is coming down the line. It must be. For all Europe and beyond

    My eyes tell me, WTF London looks fine. But I guess Paris looked fine in the summer of 1939?

    It causes cognitive dissonance
    Part of the story is that a lot of the people you see out and about in the chichi bits of London that you frequent are either tourists or rich enough that they can afford to pay an extra £3k a year in utility bills without cutting back on their other spending. There are millions of people in London who will be absolutely crushed by this but they are not drinking four pound lattes in Primrose Hill.
    What’s the view down Skehan’s?
    I would view that (as you’ve said, quite good pub) as a decent proxy for ordinary London.
    It looks busy as ever from the outside, but I've not been in for a while owing to holidays etc. Perhaps a research trip is due!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 11,183
    edited August 2022
    DavidL said:

    The really important question is whether the rain in London is going to last enough of the next 4 days to prevent England from going 1-0 down in a test series yet again. It's going to have to be pretty consistent from here.

    Very low chance of rain for Thu-Sun.

    Stokes' England have come back from stickier situations. We'll see what happens. Draw seems unlikely.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,433

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jesus 5th September seems so far away ><

    Why is this contest going on so long ?

    I want my money lol.

    Still time for Sunak to turn this ar.....

    Sorry, can't keep a straight face.
    He better not or I'm in big trouble lol.
    If ever there was a time to do the decent thing, it is now. His least worst bet is to concede in a deal in exchange for Big Beast status - FS? Country's gratitude, perhaps even contender next time.
    Too late to concede, the ram has touched the wall. He's getting Culture or nothing now.
    Northern Ireland.
    That would be too obviously a punishment, I think Truss would be canny enough to offer him something technically substantial but unwanted and unloved.
    Health or education.

    Politically dead by next spring.
    Heath! It’s the largest managed spending department, clearly needs someone who can run spreadsheets and identify financial opportunities - and it’s going to get an awful lot worse before it gets better.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,908

    tlg86 said:

    Blair calling for masks again like a broken record.
    Cancerous little turd

    Does he own shares in mask manufactures or something? COVID is done.
    He wants boosters for all (no mention of how many, probably another dozen) and masks on public transport
    Git. Turd. Prat. Arsehole
    What constituency is he trying to appeal to here?

    Are the selfish elderly who run the country (via the Tory Party) clamouring for face masks again?

    Today I am taking my kids to the Fire Engine Museum because the Math Museum (better than it sounds) has a draconian Covid policy.
    Sounds like you've done the Math :wink:
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 37,019
    So with Liz at 1/10 or thereabouts what is the largest amount of money (in percentage of net worth if you don't want to give the figures) that you might just lump on her to win.

    I idly pondered a XXX figure sum to win a XXX figure sum but thought no it would be really, really silly to spunk that away if something comes up/things change.

    Perhaps on Sep 4th or something.

    So what are the PB scores on the doors?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,433
    IshmaelZ said:

    Techbros

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/adjustable-switching-precision-charging-interface/dp/B0B121WMHN/

    Seeing as this has usb A out, could I buy one and just use it as sodding great external power pack for fones n tablets so I can continue to educate, inform and entertain thru the power cuts?

    No, that’s just a fancy power supply, not a power store.

    You want a couple of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-Portable-Charger-Output-Included/dp/B09NTNTVRJ/
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited August 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    LMAO, she really shouldn't waste her money
    She will be showered with cash from the kind of GOP donors who hate Trump but can't bring themselves to vote Democrat even when Trump is on the ticket.

    There was a hugely revealing vox pop at the last election where a couple of golf club Republican women (literally at the golf club IIRC). They were asked who they were voting for, they said "The Republican candidate for President", the interviewer "So that means you are voting for Trump", they responded with "We are voting for the Republican candidate for President".

    That's her target donation source.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    How many people know an AV election is ongoing in Alaska?

    2nd round counting is going to be AGONISINGLY slow.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    Don't do it Liz, it probably won't make a difference and it'll just be years of awfulness.
    She's said she won't if it's unlikely to make a difference.
    But it provides a national stage for another year, and if the polling indicates that her running will cost Trump (or his facsimile) more than the Democrats, then she'll run.

    And quite right, too.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,253
    I can summon up no enthusiasm for politics right now.

    However, tonight is the first night of the British Fireworks championships at Plymouth. Yay!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042
    edited August 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    #BREAKING: Cheney says she’s "thinking about" running for president https://trib.al/A75Vk8M https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1559866909939695618/photo/1

    LMAO, she really shouldn't waste her money
    Her money? Her donor's money, surely.
    Funding a campaign wouldn't be a problem.
    This is an intra- Republican Party feud, and there's plenty of cash on both sides.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,853
    edited August 2022
    TOPPING said:

    So with Liz at 1/10 or thereabouts what is the largest amount of money (in percentage of net worth if you don't want to give the figures) that you might just lump on her to win.

    I idly pondered a XXX figure sum to win a XXX figure sum but thought no it would be really, really silly to spunk that away if something comes up/things change.

    Perhaps on Sep 4th or something.

    So what are the PB scores on the doors?

    This is a 1.01 shot in reality now (Truss dies or something..) at 1-11 Kelly Criterion says you should have 88% of your betting bank on it.

    Lord Cruddas' legal action - which was a remote black swan doesn't seem to be happening now, the Techne poll that was good for Rishi has been replaced by a better poll for Truss and there's only two hustings to go. All the polls are broadly in line with each other whilst still having enough variability to be credible.
    I think this is as certain as you'll ever see in betting tbh.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
    Oxford has at least one like that, from the inner ring of Royal works, just south of the science area: I was very taken with the thought of having one in the front garden.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7568937,-1.2518371,3a,75y,68.52h,80.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT7LW6WPXKGcB0NkEiVWsFQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042
    .
    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    I note your commenteroooni.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,253
    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    I can think of someone who might not be enlivened by her Rooneyerooni legal bills....
  • Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    So with Liz at 1/10 or thereabouts what is the largest amount of money (in percentage of net worth if you don't want to give the figures) that you might just lump on her to win.

    I idly pondered a XXX figure sum to win a XXX figure sum but thought no it would be really, really silly to spunk that away if something comes up/things change.

    Perhaps on Sep 4th or something.

    So what are the PB scores on the doors?

    This is a 1.01 shot in reality now (Truss dies or something..) at 1-11 Kelly Criterion says you should have 88% of your betting bank on it.

    Lord Cruddas' legal action - which was a remote black swan doesn't seem to be happening now, the Techne poll that was good for Rishi has been replaced by a better poll for Truss and there's only two hustings to go. All the polls are broadly in line with each other whilst still having enough variability to be credible.
    I think this is as certain as you'll ever see in betting tbh.
    I've put 100% of my liquid betting bank on her winning.

    Of course if she doesn't, I'll get even more winnings than that 100% but them's the breaks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    I note your commenteroooni.
    See, it works!

    I find you quite boring, but from now on I'm going to think of you as "Nigelerooni from PB!" and suddenly you are full of interesting sparkle and vim
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    edited August 2022
    RAINEROONI!!!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
    If you are talking about Barnsbury Square, it’s an old manorial site.

    If you are talking about Claremont Square, it’s an underground reservoir. Albeit there was I think a Civil War fortress there before that.

    There are quite a few knolls in strange places in Barnsbury though, agreed.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
    If you are talking about Barnsbury Square, it’s an old manorial site.

    If you are talking about Claremont Square, it’s an underground reservoir. Albeit there was I think a Civil War fortress there before that.

    There are quite a few knolls in strange places in Barnsbury though, agreed.
    It's neither of those, it's tucked away down a lane near Thornhill Square. I'll see if I can dig it out on Google Maps
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,822
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    'Captain Crash-a-roony Snoozefest' was rubbish, but the 'a-roony' elevated it to the pantheon of dogshit Johnson jibes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393
    Interesting article about Swedish society.

    https://unherd.com/2022/08/conservatism-needs-some-swedish-love/

    O/T
    Very heavy rain in Bishop's Stortford. [On a train from London to Cambridge].
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    edited August 2022
    Leon said:

    RAINEROONI!!!

    IF you are intent on suing a WAG, does that mean it has all gone a bit Coleen Rooneyarooni....?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,853

    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    So with Liz at 1/10 or thereabouts what is the largest amount of money (in percentage of net worth if you don't want to give the figures) that you might just lump on her to win.

    I idly pondered a XXX figure sum to win a XXX figure sum but thought no it would be really, really silly to spunk that away if something comes up/things change.

    Perhaps on Sep 4th or something.

    So what are the PB scores on the doors?

    This is a 1.01 shot in reality now (Truss dies or something..) at 1-11 Kelly Criterion says you should have 88% of your betting bank on it.

    Lord Cruddas' legal action - which was a remote black swan doesn't seem to be happening now, the Techne poll that was good for Rishi has been replaced by a better poll for Truss and there's only two hustings to go. All the polls are broadly in line with each other whilst still having enough variability to be credible.
    I think this is as certain as you'll ever see in betting tbh.
    I've put 100% of my liquid betting bank on her winning.

    Of course if she doesn't, I'll get even more winnings than that 100% but them's the breaks.
    One of the advantages of an exchange is that the 5k potential profit you had on Sunak can be laid back to Truss whereas if you're with a traditional bookie you need to invest more stake to green up.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 787
    Alistair said:

    How many people know an AV election is ongoing in Alaska?

    2nd round counting is going to be AGONISINGLY slow.

    From what I've read, they only start counting second prefs on 31 August!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
    If you are talking about Barnsbury Square, it’s an old manorial site.

    If you are talking about Claremont Square, it’s an underground reservoir. Albeit there was I think a Civil War fortress there before that.

    There are quite a few knolls in strange places in Barnsbury though, agreed.
    It's neither of those, it's tucked away down a lane near Thornhill Square. I'll see if I can dig it out on Google Maps
    Barnsbury Wood! Has exceedingly restrictive opening hours, and for that reason I’ve never been “inside”.

    No, I don’t know why it’s there, either.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,644

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    This doesn't affect your broader point, but polling suggests Northern Irelanders support liberalising the abortion law there, although the polling is much closer than in GB.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 47,253
    Trusserooni.

    Nope.

    Sigh......
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    edited August 2022
    Rebekah Vardyerooni.

    Nope.

    Edit: Oh, someone got there before me.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    UAPerooni.

    Wokerooni.

    London-is-back-erooni.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    edited August 2022

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
    If you are talking about Barnsbury Square, it’s an old manorial site.

    If you are talking about Claremont Square, it’s an underground reservoir. Albeit there was I think a Civil War fortress there before that.

    There are quite a few knolls in strange places in Barnsbury though, agreed.
    It's neither of those, it's tucked away down a lane near Thornhill Square. I'll see if I can dig it out on Google Maps
    Barnsbury Wood! Has exceedingly restrictive opening hours, and for that reason I’ve never been “inside”.

    No, I don’t know why it’s there, either.
    I've been to Barnsbury Wood many times! It is charming. A secret gem. The house I had on Thornhill Crescent backed on to it. So it was like our own private miracle garden beyond our own garden

    Ah...

    Talking of the knoll and looking at Google Street view I can't quite find it, but I am pretty sure it is NEAR Barnsbury Square so you may be right. Part of that old manor house? A peculiar little tump
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,547
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
    If you are talking about Barnsbury Square, it’s an old manorial site.

    If you are talking about Claremont Square, it’s an underground reservoir. Albeit there was I think a Civil War fortress there before that.

    There are quite a few knolls in strange places in Barnsbury though, agreed.
    It's neither of those, it's tucked away down a lane near Thornhill Square. I'll see if I can dig it out on Google Maps
    Barnsbury Wood! Has exceedingly restrictive opening hours, and for that reason I’ve never been “inside”.

    No, I don’t know why it’s there, either.
    I've been to Barnsbury Wood many times! It is charming. A secret gem. The house I had on Thornhill Crescent backed on to it. So it was like our own private miracle garden beyond our own garden

    Ah...

    Talking of the knoll and looking at Google Street view I can't quite find but I am pretty sure it is NEAR Barnsbury Square so may be right. Part of that old manor house. A peculiar little tump
    Yes there are one or two “tumps” springing off Barnsbury Square.

    Personally, I think Barnsbury is possibly the best place in London. It’s still, very largely, “local”, has gorgeous, historic housing stock, and you are also so close to everything.

    Foreigners don’t seem interested in it, and house prices, though terrifying, are actually not as awful as comparative areas.

    Don’t tell anyone.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    edited August 2022

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    As only a tiny minority of bigots in NI have those views, your straw man fails.
    One of the questions that was put to Truss today was about abortion to birth being allowed for conditions like Cleft Pallette etc. An opinion poll claims that 72% of NI voters oppose that law: https://care.org.uk/news/2020/06/new-poll-shows-majority-in-ni-opposed-to-abortion-to-birth-for-disabilities

    So that's considerably more opposition to what Westminster did than it is on anything else, if you're going on polls like that.

    I'm glad Westminster ignored the 72% that opinion poll found and I'm glad Truss reinforced that today too.
    Either Westminster has the power to legislate, or it doesn't, you can't cherrypick that bits you like and claim the rest is undemocratic.

    If NI voters want to be in a union with England etc then that means Westminster will sometimes make decisions you don't like. Truss explicitly said today in response to the abortion question that's part of being in a union. 👍

    EDIT: Here you go, as Truss said "that is what being a union is": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62566833?ns_mchannel=social&amp;ns_source=twitter&amp;ns_campaign=bbc_live&amp;ns_linkname=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&Abortion law should apply across UK - Truss&2022-08-17T12:41:07.726Z&amp;ns_fee=0&amp;pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:25fefc01-b582-4a14-aa75-1c700d53b591&amp;pinned_post_asset_id=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&amp;pinned_post_type=share
    I would note most MPs wanting to reverse that horrible abortion to birth law for disabilities are Tory. If Truss wants abortion on demand the party will be in open revolt, including those who backed her like Rees Mogg and Dorries.

    NI taking its own position on abortion is also no different to the position in the US Union now with each state taking its own line
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,914
    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received

    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    Also works if you put to the tune of "Have a banana!"

    I used to do this with Abu Qatada - that rather forbidding person we were always trying to "put on a plane".

    Works a dream. He suddenly seems a nice cheery chappy who you'd like to have tea with.
  • HYUFD said:

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    As only a tiny minority of bigots in NI have those views, your straw man fails.
    One of the questions that was put to Truss today was about abortion to birth being allowed for conditions like Cleft Pallette etc. An opinion poll claims that 72% of NI voters oppose that law: https://care.org.uk/news/2020/06/new-poll-shows-majority-in-ni-opposed-to-abortion-to-birth-for-disabilities

    So that's considerably more opposition to what Westminster did than it is on anything else, if you're going on polls like that.

    I'm glad Westminster ignored the 72% that opinion poll found and I'm glad Truss reinforced that today too.
    Either Westminster has the power to legislate, or it doesn't, you can't cherrypick that bits you like and claim the rest is undemocratic.

    If NI voters want to be in a union with England etc then that means Westminster will sometimes make decisions you don't like. Truss explicitly said today in response to the abortion question that's part of being in a union. 👍

    EDIT: Here you go, as Truss said "that is what being a union is": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62566833?ns_mchannel=social&amp;ns_source=twitter&amp;ns_campaign=bbc_live&amp;ns_linkname=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&Abortion law should apply across UK - Truss&2022-08-17T12:41:07.726Z&amp;ns_fee=0&amp;pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:25fefc01-b582-4a14-aa75-1c700d53b591&amp;pinned_post_asset_id=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&amp;pinned_post_type=share
    I would note most MPs wanting to reverse that horrible abortion to birth law for disabilities are Tory. If Truss wants abortion on demand the party will be in open revolt, including those who backed her like Rees Mogg and Dorries.

    NI taking its own position on abortion is also no different to the position in the US Union now with each state taking its own line
    No difference to the utter dogshite that is the US position?

    Thank goodness Truss opposed that then and will be next Tory leader and not a loon obsessed with Medieval religion like you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    What is the point in working harder, the Tories take my money and spend it on pensioners who do fuck all

    Not true. CB, you are being grossly unfair. They work very hard when the postal ballot comes round, writing the X against the name of the local brain-damaged chimpanzee with a blue rosette Araldited to his fur.
    I apologise.

    I am having my student loan wacked up, an inability to buy a house, all my money being taken so a load of lazy, arsing pricks can vote every five years for more of the same.
    Hmm I thought you were on a decent whack ?
    Yes and I still can't afford a house, how's that for property owning democracy eh Margaret?

    If somebody earning - I will not say how much - above £50K a year can't afford a house then the Tories have no chance. I should be a Tory voter, I am now more Labour than ever
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/80223438#/?channel=RES_BUY

    a commuter's dream as it is located within walking distance to Gravesend railway station that offers the fast train to London, via Ebbsfleet International, in just over 20 minutes.

    Any good for you ?
    It is a commuters dream apparently!
    Bedroom is "12'7 x 9'7 maximum" - but look at that shape on the plan!
    It's quite "cosy", but remember, as soon as you walk out of the door, you've got all of Gravesend at your disposal. Like Paris in the 1890s
    What's Gravesend like? Never been there, and it sounds sort of interesting to explore - I've already got Tilbury and Coalhouse Forts on my list, and there is a ferry to Tilbury.
    Actually, I'm being unfair. There are much worse places in the UK than Gravesend. It's just the name that gives it that grim quality

    Like a lot of the towns on the Thames estuary its gritty, salty and rough at the edges, but it has a lot of history, some interesting and beautiful old pubs, churches, wharves. I'd rather live there than some soulless new build estate just outside Redditch or Basingstoke

    Also has a benign climate by British standards
    Thanks. Thinking about a visit to the area - Dickensian convicts, the Faversham explosion, Oare gunpowder works etc.
    It's well worth it. Don't expect the Italian Riviera, but do expect a lot of character, and oodles of history, and also a sense of exploration. No one goes there as a tourist, so you can feel like a pioneer

    And there is lots of visual drama, because of the mighty Thames Estuary. It gets more boring the further you get from the river

    I actually enioyed my one and only visit to the Isle of Sheppey. It is as ugly and bleak as people say, and yet.... it is poetic, and moody, and seriously eerie in the right foggy weather
    My Camden friend and I love that sort of exploration - last time was the remnants of the Woolwich naval dockyards to the west of the Arsenal, here and there in industrial estates and council housing.

    Been to Sheppey too! Fossil-hunting in the slumped and slippery London Clay.

    Little snippet of Faversham history - what happens if you leave a tip of TNT contaminated sacks against an explosives store in dry weather.
    https://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/sites/default/files/archcant/1985 100 The Great Explosion at Faversham 2 April 1916 Percival.pdf
    Excellent. Yes, I too like that exploration, there is so much history east of London, much of it neglected


    Have you heard of this place, or been?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadman's_Island_(Kent)

    "In 2016 the remains of more than 200 humans were found on the island. It is believed that the remains are those of men and boys who died of disease on board prison hulks, floating prisons that were moored in the area around 200 years ago.[3] Originally buried in wooden coffins under six feet (1.8 m) of mud, coastal erosion and rising sea levels has washed away the mud to expose the remains at times of low tide.[2] "

    A journalist friend of mine went, not so long ago, and confirmed that Yes, you can see human bones scattered about

    Brrrr!


    Another fascinating bit of London archaeology is following the Civil War fortifications, which takes you through some of the most compelling parts of the capital

    https://www.walkspast.com/p/walk-16a-english-civil-war-wapping-to.html
    No! To both! Bookmarked.
    It is claimed that nearly all of the Cromwellian fortifications have been swept away, but I sometimes wonder

    When I lived in leafy Barnsbury there was this really weird grassy knoll that no local history book could explain. I eventually decided it was a peripheral chunk of the Civil War earthworks, which ran through N1. It exuded ancient potsherds

    Islington is great for stuff like that. Better than Camden perhaps, as it is less lacerated by train lines, which destroy everything
    If you are talking about Barnsbury Square, it’s an old manorial site.

    If you are talking about Claremont Square, it’s an underground reservoir. Albeit there was I think a Civil War fortress there before that.

    There are quite a few knolls in strange places in Barnsbury though, agreed.
    It's neither of those, it's tucked away down a lane near Thornhill Square. I'll see if I can dig it out on Google Maps
    Barnsbury Wood! Has exceedingly restrictive opening hours, and for that reason I’ve never been “inside”.

    No, I don’t know why it’s there, either.
    I've been to Barnsbury Wood many times! It is charming. A secret gem. The house I had on Thornhill Crescent backed on to it. So it was like our own private miracle garden beyond our own garden

    Ah...

    Talking of the knoll and looking at Google Street view I can't quite find but I am pretty sure it is NEAR Barnsbury Square so may be right. Part of that old manor house. A peculiar little tump
    Yes there are one or two “tumps” springing off Barnsbury Square.

    Personally, I think Barnsbury is possibly the best place in London. It’s still, very largely, “local”, has gorgeous, historic housing stock, and you are also so close to everything.

    Foreigners don’t seem interested in it, and house prices, though terrifying, are actually not as awful as comparative areas.

    Don’t tell anyone.
    Yes, it's almost perfect. Great pubs some nice restaurants and you've got Angel and Islington High Street down the way, with theatres, venues, shops, bars

    If I have one critique is that it feels a bit cut off by the railways and the lower Cally Road, it's like an enclave, and it's a bit too far to walk into the West End (which you can do in NW1 and I LOVE that, through Regent's Park)

    But otherwise yes it is splendid. Very beautiful streets. Tho I am not sure it is cheap or even cheaper? A house on Thornhill Crescent - where I lived - is now £2.5-£3m. Beyond the dreams of 99.99% of the world. But cheaper than Primrose Hill or Portobello or Chelsea, yes
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 1,055
    This morning I glanced at the Wyoming results and was surprised to see that, despite getting less than 30 percent of the total vote, Cheney had carried two Wyoming counties (Park and Albany). In fact, she had a landslide in Park County, winning 75 percent of the vote there.
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/election-results/wyoming/2022-primaries/?itid=hp-more-top-stories
    Park County: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_County,_Wyoming

    Which means, of course, that she did even worse in the counties that depend on mining and farming, instead of tourism. (Her worst appears to be Niobrara where she currently has 113 votes to Hageman's 908.)

    One of the great oddities of the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections is how well a New York City con man did among rural voters. Much of that can be explained by the decades of neglect of rural areas by elected Democrats.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,644
    .

    This morning I glanced at the Wyoming results and was surprised to see that, despite getting less than 30 percent of the total vote, Cheney had carried two Wyoming counties (Park and Albany). In fact, she had a landslide in Park County, winning 75 percent of the vote there.
    source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/election-results/wyoming/2022-primaries/?itid=hp-more-top-stories
    Park County: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_County,_Wyoming

    Which means, of course, that she did even worse in the counties that depend on mining and farming, instead of tourism. (Her worst appears to be Niobrara where she currently has 113 votes to Hageman's 908.)

    One of the great oddities of the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections is how well a New York City con man did among rural voters. Much of that can be explained by the decades of neglect of rural areas by elected Democrats.

    The thought is that those Counties are the Democrat ones, and that was Dem voters crossing to vote in the Rep primary.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    The moral of the German tale is that economies can adapt with astonishing speed to external energy shocks under war-time conditions, but you have to let the price mechanism play its part through orderly demand destruction.

    My advice to Labour: send a team to Berlin and learn a thing or two from serious people.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/16/germany-surprise-success-story-energy-crisis-not-labour-has/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received

    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    Also works if you put to the tune of "Have a banana!"

    I used to do this with Abu Qatada - that rather forbidding person we were always trying to "put on a plane".

    Works a dream. He suddenly seems a nice cheery chappy who you'd like to have tea with.
    Yes. When I mentally turned the sinister unshaven Iranian president into the flat northern vowels of "Ah, me dinner jacket" he suddenly became a figure of agreeably silly fun
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 29,279

    HYUFD said:

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    As only a tiny minority of bigots in NI have those views, your straw man fails.
    One of the questions that was put to Truss today was about abortion to birth being allowed for conditions like Cleft Pallette etc. An opinion poll claims that 72% of NI voters oppose that law: https://care.org.uk/news/2020/06/new-poll-shows-majority-in-ni-opposed-to-abortion-to-birth-for-disabilities

    So that's considerably more opposition to what Westminster did than it is on anything else, if you're going on polls like that.

    I'm glad Westminster ignored the 72% that opinion poll found and I'm glad Truss reinforced that today too.
    Either Westminster has the power to legislate, or it doesn't, you can't cherrypick that bits you like and claim the rest is undemocratic.

    If NI voters want to be in a union with England etc then that means Westminster will sometimes make decisions you don't like. Truss explicitly said today in response to the abortion question that's part of being in a union. 👍

    EDIT: Here you go, as Truss said "that is what being a union is": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62566833?ns_mchannel=social&amp;ns_source=twitter&amp;ns_campaign=bbc_live&amp;ns_linkname=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&Abortion law should apply across UK - Truss&2022-08-17T12:41:07.726Z&amp;ns_fee=0&amp;pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:25fefc01-b582-4a14-aa75-1c700d53b591&amp;pinned_post_asset_id=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&amp;pinned_post_type=share
    I would note most MPs wanting to reverse that horrible abortion to birth law for disabilities are Tory. If Truss wants abortion on demand the party will be in open revolt, including those who backed her like Rees Mogg and Dorries.

    NI taking its own position on abortion is also no different to the position in the US Union now with each state taking its own line
    No difference to the utter dogshite that is the US position?

    Thank goodness Truss opposed that then and will be next Tory leader and not a loon obsessed with Medieval religion like you.
    As usual, the idea of abortion presents all sorts of difficulties. I have no objection in principle to aborting a fetus which is incapable of independent life, although it is of course very very sad,. It has to be the mothers decision. However I remain to be convinced of the propriety of aborting a fetus close to birth which has a curable defect.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    I'm now looking forward to the evil nightmarish Cost-of-Living dystopia that is.... Winterooni!

    WINTEROONI IS COMING

    See. It just doesn't sound scary anymore
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,147
    edited August 2022

    HYUFD said:

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    As only a tiny minority of bigots in NI have those views, your straw man fails.
    One of the questions that was put to Truss today was about abortion to birth being allowed for conditions like Cleft Pallette etc. An opinion poll claims that 72% of NI voters oppose that law: https://care.org.uk/news/2020/06/new-poll-shows-majority-in-ni-opposed-to-abortion-to-birth-for-disabilities

    So that's considerably more opposition to what Westminster did than it is on anything else, if you're going on polls like that.

    I'm glad Westminster ignored the 72% that opinion poll found and I'm glad Truss reinforced that today too.
    Either Westminster has the power to legislate, or it doesn't, you can't cherrypick that bits you like and claim the rest is undemocratic.

    If NI voters want to be in a union with England etc then that means Westminster will sometimes make decisions you don't like. Truss explicitly said today in response to the abortion question that's part of being in a union. 👍

    EDIT: Here you go, as Truss said "that is what being a union is": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62566833?ns_mchannel=social&amp;ns_source=twitter&amp;ns_campaign=bbc_live&amp;ns_linkname=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&Abortion law should apply across UK - Truss&2022-08-17T12:41:07.726Z&amp;ns_fee=0&amp;pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:25fefc01-b582-4a14-aa75-1c700d53b591&amp;pinned_post_asset_id=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&amp;pinned_post_type=share
    I would note most MPs wanting to reverse that horrible abortion to birth law for disabilities are Tory. If Truss wants abortion on demand the party will be in open revolt, including those who backed her like Rees Mogg and Dorries.

    NI taking its own position on abortion is also no different to the position in the US Union now with each state taking its own line
    No difference to the utter dogshite that is the US position?

    Thank goodness Truss opposed that then and will be next Tory leader and not a loon obsessed with Medieval religion like you.
    I would point out the majority of Tory MPs also voted against permanent diy abortions by 172 to just 75 in favour. Only Labour and LD MPs got it through.

    Rather than being an extreme view within the party my view carries the largest support in the Conservative party which Truss better note

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/03/31/the-vote-on-pills-by-post-72-conservative-mps-voted-to-keep-abortions-at-home-and-175-voted-against/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,914
    Sadly there's an exception -

    Donald Trumperooni

    Still sounds grim
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 1,055
    Correction: Teton County, not Park County, was where Cheney received 75 percent of the vote. With an estimated 98 percent of the vote counted, the total vote in the Republican gubernatorial primary in Teton is 6,381, in the Democratic primary, 368.

    With an estimated 99 percent of the votes counted, the total vote in the House primary in Teton is 7883, so, yes, I would agree that Cheney was helped by crossover Democrats -- but I think she would have won there, easily, even without those votes.

    (For the record: There are no Democratic counties in Wyoming.)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,743
    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    As in 'raineroooni stopped play at Lords'.

  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Do the Tories have many members in Northern Ireland? I presume you can't simultaneously be a member of the Conservatives and the DUP? Will they address the issue that the majority of people in Northern Ireland accept the protocol?

    Belfast hustings. Liz Truss is on first, and is talking about the NI Protocol.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlh9oFelIk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-9U2EBN41c
    Excellent answer from her. 👍

    Absolutely sorting out the Protocol is the right answer for NI, for restoring Power Sharing, and protecting the Good Friday Agreement.

    The majoritarian tosspots that wanted to weaponise the NI border and kill the Good Friday Agreement because they dislike Brexit will just need to lump it that they've lost.
    So the majority of the people of NornIron will have to "lump it" because "they've lost". I know you are an English nationalist, but demolishing the union is hardly taking back control for what was the UK.
    The union means adding NI, English, Scottish and Welsh voters together to get a single answer on union issues and Brexit was one of them.

    Scottish and NI "Remain" voters lost the referendum, they didn't win it.

    How does Truss's NI Protocol Bill "demolish the union"?
    So NI voted to remain. gets dragged out against its will.
    NI then gets expelled from the UK customs zone against its will.
    NI then looks at the pieces as they fall, sees opportunity in the half in both worlds settlement and backs it. Truss now dragging them away from that against their will.

    It feels inevitable there will be a border poll in NI and then in the Republic to create a new Ireland. Westminster can't say to NornIron voters that their vote doesn't matter.
    Good. If the people of NI vote to Leave then good riddance to them.

    But if they want to stick with us, they have to accept the decisions of the Westminster Parliament, whether that be Brexit or "legalised infanticide" or anything else Westminster democratically approves of that they dislike.
    As I said, you aren't an objective person to judge the constitutional issues. Westminster imposing things that damage a nation against that nation's voting wishes is unsustainable.

    I assume you cheer it on because you want to see the UK break apart.
    So just to be clear you're saying the UK should re-criminalise "infanticide" in Northern Ireland if that is what is agitating NI voters?

    Or is it only where NI's voting wishes match your own that this matters?

    If NI won't accept Westminster's supremacy then what's the point in even trying to maintain a union with them?
    As only a tiny minority of bigots in NI have those views, your straw man fails.
    One of the questions that was put to Truss today was about abortion to birth being allowed for conditions like Cleft Pallette etc. An opinion poll claims that 72% of NI voters oppose that law: https://care.org.uk/news/2020/06/new-poll-shows-majority-in-ni-opposed-to-abortion-to-birth-for-disabilities

    So that's considerably more opposition to what Westminster did than it is on anything else, if you're going on polls like that.

    I'm glad Westminster ignored the 72% that opinion poll found and I'm glad Truss reinforced that today too.
    Either Westminster has the power to legislate, or it doesn't, you can't cherrypick that bits you like and claim the rest is undemocratic.

    If NI voters want to be in a union with England etc then that means Westminster will sometimes make decisions you don't like. Truss explicitly said today in response to the abortion question that's part of being in a union. 👍

    EDIT: Here you go, as Truss said "that is what being a union is": https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62566833?ns_mchannel=social&amp;ns_source=twitter&amp;ns_campaign=bbc_live&amp;ns_linkname=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&Abortion law should apply across UK - Truss&2022-08-17T12:41:07.726Z&amp;ns_fee=0&amp;pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:25fefc01-b582-4a14-aa75-1c700d53b591&amp;pinned_post_asset_id=62fce157405bb048e31822d8&amp;pinned_post_type=share
    I would note most MPs wanting to reverse that horrible abortion to birth law for disabilities are Tory. If Truss wants abortion on demand the party will be in open revolt, including those who backed her like Rees Mogg and Dorries.

    NI taking its own position on abortion is also no different to the position in the US Union now with each state taking its own line
    No difference to the utter dogshite that is the US position?

    Thank goodness Truss opposed that then and will be next Tory leader and not a loon obsessed with Medieval religion like you.
    I would point out the majority of Tory MPs also voted against permanent diy abortions by 172 to just 75 in favour. Only Labour and LD MPs got it through.

    Rather than being an extreme view within the party my view carries the largest support in the Conservative party which Truss better note

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/03/31/the-vote-on-pills-by-post-72-conservative-mps-voted-to-keep-abortions-at-home-and-175-voted-against/
    She noted it by telling people questioning abortion on demand to birth for things like fetal defect that was the will the UK Parliament on a conscious vote and she won't be changing it. No attempt to pander to the extreme views you have, even if your extreme views are regrettably common in the Conservative Party they're not coming through in this leadership contest.

    Good.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    As in 'raineroooni stopped play at Lords'.

    Ishmailerooni being a dick again? Yep, I like it. :D
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,743
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received


    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    Leon said:

    Some advice from a friend, just received

    "If you find anything dull, irksome or depressing, just add the phrase "erooni" to the end, and it livens it up"

    So you haven't got cancer, you've got cancerooooni! which is much better. Almost a positive, really

    OK, back to work

    Also works if you put to the tune of "Have a banana!"

    I used to do this with Abu Qatada - that rather forbidding person we were always trying to "put on a plane".

    Works a dream. He suddenly seems a nice cheery chappy who you'd like to have tea with.
    Yes. When I mentally turned the sinister unshaven Iranian president into the flat northern vowels of "Ah, me dinner jacket" he suddenly became a figure of agreeably silly fun
    Waynerooni Roonerooni is a very fine footballer and has a wiferooni who adds greatly to the gaiety of nationserooni

  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,484
    A slightly higher res version of the Calvine UFO photo

    The two major prosaic explanations: rock in a loch, or mountaintop, have now been largely dismissed

    The location of the photo does not fit the rock, the weather does not fit the mountaintop (there are several other objections, too)

    Which leaves the alternative hypotheses that


    1. This is all a highly elaborate hoax, extending over decades

    or

    2. That really is something odd, floating in the Scottish sky


    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FCOQiQKciRJsZ4pm26hdrFuVv1uzMk-k/view
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