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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,926

    HYUFD said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    That’s not a pre-req.
    Indeed, the Republic of Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth but Rwanda and Mozambique and Gabon and Togo are. Ireland was part of the British Empire, the latter 4 weren't
    Gabon and Togo are NOT in the Commonwealth. Togo was occupied by Britain (jointly with France) 1914 to 1916.
    They are, they joined in June

    https://thecommonwealth.org/countries/gabon#:~:text=Gabon joined the Commonwealth in,be available in due course.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    There’s a report that ATACMS has been cleared for delivery to Ukraine…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS

    300km range, you fire it from a HIMARS.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    So what? Nor was Cameroon nor Mozambique nor Rwanda.

    Ukraine joining the Commonwealth would probably cause Putins head to explode…

    Also Macarons and VDLs…
    Yup. Quite a few positives.

    It’d be like that computer game Lemmings…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    Talking of diets, I took my day's exercise today by walking to King's Cross from Camden Market, to see the latest iteration of the King's X development

    I know I've mentioned this before, but it is astonishing, and just gets better. They've now extended it north with new gardens, boulevards, pavilions, a dozen new restaurants, new bars and shops, playgrounds, sculpture parks, schools, industrial sheds turned into mighty echoing art galleries where hipster students play table tennis

    If you like dense, cultured urban life (and lots of restaurants) King's Cross might be the most desirable part of London to live in, right now. Which, for anyone that knew King's Cross in the 80s, is mind-boggling. I'm not sure there is anything like it anywhere else in the world

    So we might have wrecked half of the UK's towns from 1945-2010, but maybe we are learning. Slowly
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,380

    “Starmer’s allies say he will decide when he returns from his holiday on 15 August whether to take disciplinary action against Lisa Nandy” for standing on a picketline yesterday reports
    @GuardianHeather

    Fucking Numpty

    There's a long interview with Nandy in this week's New Statesman.

    Interestingly, she takes two pops at Lammy.

    Does she think he will be facing her in a leadership election?

    Interesting. I don't have the NS - could you precis what she has a pop at Lammy about?
    Something about him not supporting BA staff strike and then something about eating a pie balm cake the wrong way.
    Thanks - the latter's a killer.

    Nandy can be pretty funny. She's seriously underestimated by many Tories on here - just like some of us underestimated Truss's appeal.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    That’s not a pre-req.
    Indeed, the Republic of Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth but Rwanda and Mozambique and Gabon and Togo are. Ireland was part of the British Empire, the latter 4 weren't
    Gabon and Togo are NOT in the Commonwealth. Togo was occupied by Britain (jointly with France) 1914 to 1916.
    They are, they joined in June

    https://thecommonwealth.org/countries/gabon#:~:text=Gabon joined the Commonwealth in,be available in due course.
    My god, I honestly didn't know! Apologies.

    Gabon, as far as I know never saw British occupation, but Togo was occupied (as I said, jointly with France) 1914-1916. Until 1914 it was German.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    edited August 2022
    ping said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    The Auschwitz Diet
    Basically yes. There weren't many fat people in Auschwitz, were there? So the guys in Auschwitz "didn't put it all back on" after fasting, despite what dieticians say. They held on to their weight loss
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Truss going down like a lead balloon in Scotland.

    YouGov, the only pollster to correctly weigh geographical sub-samples:

    London
    Lab 51%
    Con 25%
    LD 17%
    Grn 6%
    Ref 1%

    Rest of South
    Con 41%
    Lab 31%
    LD 15%
    Grn 7%
    Ref 4%

    Midlands and Wales
    Lab 35%
    Con 34%
    LD 9%
    Grn 8%
    Ref 6%
    PC 5%

    North
    Lab 41%
    Con 34%
    LD 14%
    Grn 7%
    Ref 2%

    Scotland
    SNP 48%
    Lab 19%
    Con 18%
    Grn 8%
    LD 5%

    (YouGov / The Times Survey;
    Sample Size: 1797; Fieldwork: 27th - 28th July 2022)

    Pro-independence parties 56%
    Unionist parties 42%
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994

    11th July 2022 was peak SKS its all downhill from that Poll that gave LAB a 15% lead

    LAB: 43% (+2)
    CON: 28% (-4)
    LDEM: 12% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (+1)

    Today we have a YG

    LAB 35
    CON 34
    LD 13
    GRN 7

    Well done on picketgate SKS

    LLG 55%, lower end of the recent range but slap bang in the middle of the post-Partygate range.

    Looking good. Despite the entire British media being all “Liz, Liz, we love you Liz!”
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    Apologies if already posted, but this is top trolling:

    twitter.com/MarkRid89403375/status/1554526393769365506
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,926
    edited August 2022

    “Starmer’s allies say he will decide when he returns from his holiday on 15 August whether to take disciplinary action against Lisa Nandy” for standing on a picketline yesterday reports
    @GuardianHeather

    Fucking Numpty

    There's a long interview with Nandy in this week's New Statesman.

    Interestingly, she takes two pops at Lammy.

    Does she think he will be facing her in a leadership election?

    Interesting. I don't have the NS - could you precis what she has a pop at Lammy about?
    Something about him not supporting BA staff strike and then something about eating a pie balm cake the wrong way.
    Thanks - the latter's a killer.

    Nandy can be pretty funny. She's seriously underestimated by many Tories on here - just like some of us underestimated Truss's appeal.
    Nandy is too pro Brexit for Remainers and too close to strikers for Starmer loyalists in Labour but was not Corbynite enough for the Labour left. Hence she got just 16% in the 2020 Labour leadership contest.

    She is also a complete lightweight, even Rayner has gravitas and charisma compared to Nandy
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Hmmm...

    "Whenever the general election comes, Labour looks likely to win"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/02/labour-power-keir-starmer
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited August 2022
    Pea wet and scratchings!
    Incidentally. That photo is an abomination. It is clearly a steak and kidney.
    Meyt n' prayter is the only authentic one. They are always round. To fit in a barm cake. And piquantly peppery.
    The one in the world championship video is the real deal.
  • Taz said:

    I wonder how many are retire and return ?
    Biggest ever vacancy levels already in history of NHS now LT wants a pay cut

    I thought Tories understood supply and demand!
    Not as well as they think.

    Breaking British Rail was (in part) about reducing the Power Of Militant Unions. One of the things that happened was that said unions got really good at playing one employer off against another.

    Having a single national pay framework actually gives the employer an awful lot of power, as the only purchaser of doctors, teachers, nurses and so on.

    TPA, Truss and their acolytes should be very careful what they wish for.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Hmmm...

    "Whenever the general election comes, Labour looks likely to win"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/02/labour-power-keir-starmer

    I assume Toynbee wrote that from Tuscany? The original champagne socialist.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    .

    There’s a report that ATACMS has been cleared for delivery to Ukraine…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS

    300km range, you fire it from a HIMARS.

    That one makes a big boom!

    They’re almost obsolete to the US, but still better than anything currently in theatre, and the US Army has a couple of thousand of them lying around.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    dixiedean said:

    Pea wet and scratchings!
    Incidentally. That photo is an abomination. It is clearly a steak and kidney.
    Meyt n' prayter is the only authentic one. They are always round. And piquantly peppery.
    Please don't talk about food. I'm having a wobble
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    ping said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    The Auschwitz Diet
    Anti Semitic Ping liked by 2 fellow Anti Semites too!

  • Midlands and Wales
    Lab 35%
    Con 34%
    LD 9%
    Grn 8%
    Ref 6%
    PC 5%

    Why have they lumped together "the Midlands AND Wales"??
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,380
    edited August 2022
    HYUFD said:

    “Starmer’s allies say he will decide when he returns from his holiday on 15 August whether to take disciplinary action against Lisa Nandy” for standing on a picketline yesterday reports
    @GuardianHeather

    Fucking Numpty

    There's a long interview with Nandy in this week's New Statesman.

    Interestingly, she takes two pops at Lammy.

    Does she think he will be facing her in a leadership election?

    Interesting. I don't have the NS - could you precis what she has a pop at Lammy about?
    Something about him not supporting BA staff strike and then something about eating a pie balm cake the wrong way.
    Thanks - the latter's a killer.

    Nandy can be pretty funny. She's seriously underestimated by many Tories on here - just like some of us underestimated Truss's appeal.
    Nandy is too pro Brexit for Remainers in Labour and was not Corbynite enough for the Labour left. Hence she got just 16% in the 2020 Labour leadership contest.

    She is also a complete lightweight, even Rayner has gravitas and charisma compared to Nandy
    Nandy is not pro-Brexit. Just like you, she accepted the result, having voted remain.

    And we've already reserved one of your adjectives for Lightweight Liz.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,926

    Truss going down like a lead balloon in Scotland.

    YouGov, the only pollster to correctly weigh geographical sub-samples:

    London
    Lab 51%
    Con 25%
    LD 17%
    Grn 6%
    Ref 1%

    Rest of South
    Con 41%
    Lab 31%
    LD 15%
    Grn 7%
    Ref 4%

    Midlands and Wales
    Lab 35%
    Con 34%
    LD 9%
    Grn 8%
    Ref 6%
    PC 5%

    North
    Lab 41%
    Con 34%
    LD 14%
    Grn 7%
    Ref 2%

    Scotland
    SNP 48%
    Lab 19%
    Con 18%
    Grn 8%
    LD 5%

    (YouGov / The Times Survey;
    Sample Size: 1797; Fieldwork: 27th - 28th July 2022)

    Pro-independence parties 56%
    Unionist parties 42%

    So what, she has made clear she will never allow an indyref2 on her watch so sod all the SNP can do about it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    kle4 said:

    Driver said:

    What this shows us that the old Liz Truss is still very much there.

    She has a habit of talking about things she doesn't understand, having to walk back what she has said. It does not inspire confidence that is competent or that she is a change from BoJo.

    That announcement to cut pay in the Red Wall will have gone down there very badly.

    The policy has been ditched, can everyone please stop lying about it now?
    Was it ditched, or was it misrepresented? I'm confused, as if it was the latter then there would obviously be no reason to ditch it.
    It was misrepresented and it was ditched. Misrepresented because people implied she wanted to cut nurses' pay, and ditched because she didn't want it to turn into a dementia tax moment.
    She did want to cut nurses’ pay. She wanted new nurses in some regions to be paid less than they currently are.
    That's not cutting anyone's pay though, is it. It's offering new entrants less.

    Although I think we would do better if we went back to the idea of employing people as, effectively, nursing assistants, while they did their training.
    I've been back to back since 9am so only found out about this hoo-ha on reading the threads and checking the news this evening.

    Firstly, Truss killed it so quick it won't even dominate one news cycle to get noticed but, also, even if she hadn't it's not a bad idea, IMHO, and certainly wouldn't damage her with the selectorate.

    Few firms in the private sector operate an identical pay policy nationwide. It's one reason why the public sector struggles to attract workers in London outside the central Whitehall civil service but crowd out the private sector in "the provinces".
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Leon said:

    Talking of diets, I took my day's exercise today by walking to King's Cross from Camden Market, to see the latest iteration of the King's X development

    I know I've mentioned this before, but it is astonishing, and just gets better. They've now extended it north with new gardens, boulevards, pavilions, a dozen new restaurants, new bars and shops, playgrounds, sculpture parks, schools, industrial sheds turned into mighty echoing art galleries where hipster students play table tennis

    If you like dense, cultured urban life (and lots of restaurants) King's Cross might be the most desirable part of London to live in, right now. Which, for anyone that knew King's Cross in the 80s, is mind-boggling. I'm not sure there is anything like it anywhere else in the world

    So we might have wrecked half of the UK's towns from 1945-2010, but maybe we are learning. Slowly

    Agreed, Kings Cross is the best place to live in London now especially when you add in the transport links (unless you are worth £5m+ when other areas may have more appeal).
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    Sounds like one of those intermittent fasting diets but you've mixed up eating and fasting. It sounds dangerous to me. I am considering the 800 (Calories a day) for 8 weeks diets. That is basically 8 Soleros a day for 8 weeks. My fish and chips every day diet has stopped working.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pea wet and scratchings!
    Incidentally. That photo is an abomination. It is clearly a steak and kidney.
    Meyt n' prayter is the only authentic one. They are always round. And piquantly peppery.
    Please don't talk about food. I'm having a wobble
    So tempted...

    Stick at it, but long term consider the 5:2 version.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    Hmmm...

    "Whenever the general election comes, Labour looks likely to win"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/02/labour-power-keir-starmer

    Channeling Sion Simon.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pea wet and scratchings!
    Incidentally. That photo is an abomination. It is clearly a steak and kidney.
    Meyt n' prayter is the only authentic one. They are always round. And piquantly peppery.
    Please don't talk about food. I'm having a wobble
    Though not so wobbly as a week ago.
    Keep it up! Great effort.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361
    edited August 2022

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    So what? Nor was Cameroon nor Mozambique nor Rwanda.

    I had no idea they were in the Commonwealth. Well in that case, start drafting the letter to Ukraine...
    Apparently I need the email addresses for five supporters to start a petition on the Parliament petition website - I was intending to start a petition asking HMG to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth.

    If anyone is interested, please do consider sending me an email. My email address is "< first-name >j< last-name >@gmail.com" where my first name and last name were published with this guest slot some time ago.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,926
    edited August 2022

    HYUFD said:

    “Starmer’s allies say he will decide when he returns from his holiday on 15 August whether to take disciplinary action against Lisa Nandy” for standing on a picketline yesterday reports
    @GuardianHeather

    Fucking Numpty

    There's a long interview with Nandy in this week's New Statesman.

    Interestingly, she takes two pops at Lammy.

    Does she think he will be facing her in a leadership election?

    Interesting. I don't have the NS - could you precis what she has a pop at Lammy about?
    Something about him not supporting BA staff strike and then something about eating a pie balm cake the wrong way.
    Thanks - the latter's a killer.

    Nandy can be pretty funny. She's seriously underestimated by many Tories on here - just like some of us underestimated Truss's appeal.
    Nandy is too pro Brexit for Remainers in Labour and was not Corbynite enough for the Labour left. Hence she got just 16% in the 2020 Labour leadership contest.

    She is also a complete lightweight, even Rayner has gravitas and charisma compared to Nandy
    Nandy is not pro-Brexit. Just like you, she accepted the result, having voted remain.

    And we've already reserved one of your adjective for Lightweight Liz.
    For Labour members she is too pro Brexit, hence she got an abysmal 16% in the 2020 Labour leadership election. Well behind Long Bailey as well as Starmer.

    Truss has miles more gravitas than Nandy even if not much more charisma, same with Starmer compared to Nandy. Rayner and Lammy have miles more charisma than Nandy.

    Streeting and Burnham both have much more gravitas and charisma than Nandy does
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994


    Midlands and Wales
    Lab 35%
    Con 34%
    LD 9%
    Grn 8%
    Ref 6%
    PC 5%

    Why have they lumped together "the Midlands AND Wales"??
    Kind of the torso of Britain. It makes sense geographically.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    Hmmm...

    "Whenever the general election comes, Labour looks likely to win"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/02/labour-power-keir-starmer

    Written before todays YG

    PT is Dan Hodges in drag
  • Liz Truss has extended her lead over Rishi Sunak to 34 points in the Tory leadership race, with 60 per cent of party members now saying they will vote for the foreign secretary to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister.

    A YouGov poll for The Times and Times Radio found that almost nine in ten Conservative members have now made up their minds how they will vote ahead of ballot papers going out this week.

    Just 26 per cent say they will support Sunak, compared with 60 per cent for Truss. The rest are undecided or say they will not vote.

    The poll, carried out over the past five days, suggests a significant widening of Truss’s lead. The last YouGov survey, carried out in the wake of Penny Mordaunt’s elimination from the race, had support for Truss on 49 per cent compared with 31 per cent for Sunak, with 15 per cent undecided.

    It shows that Truss is now ahead of Sunak among all age groups, across different parts of the country and men and women. The only category where he beats Truss is among Tory Remain supporters.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/truss-extends-lead-over-sunak-in-tory-leadership-race-3pksqstpp
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    ping said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    The Auschwitz Diet
    Anti Semitic Ping liked by 2 fellow Anti Semites too!
    No, anti semitism is hating jews, not making iffy jokes about anti semites. Being jezza, not making jokes about jezza.
  • TimS said:


    Midlands and Wales
    Lab 35%
    Con 34%
    LD 9%
    Grn 8%
    Ref 6%
    PC 5%

    Why have they lumped together "the Midlands AND Wales"??
    Kind of the torso of Britain. It makes sense geographically.
    But Wales has its own devolved parliament - it would be akin to lumping Scotland with "da North".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294

    Leon said:

    Talking of diets, I took my day's exercise today by walking to King's Cross from Camden Market, to see the latest iteration of the King's X development

    I know I've mentioned this before, but it is astonishing, and just gets better. They've now extended it north with new gardens, boulevards, pavilions, a dozen new restaurants, new bars and shops, playgrounds, sculpture parks, schools, industrial sheds turned into mighty echoing art galleries where hipster students play table tennis

    If you like dense, cultured urban life (and lots of restaurants) King's Cross might be the most desirable part of London to live in, right now. Which, for anyone that knew King's Cross in the 80s, is mind-boggling. I'm not sure there is anything like it anywhere else in the world

    So we might have wrecked half of the UK's towns from 1945-2010, but maybe we are learning. Slowly

    Agreed, Kings Cross is the best place to live in London now especially when you add in the transport links (unless you are worth £5m+ when other areas may have more appeal).
    It is amazing. If I could be arsed to move within London that is maybe where I would go

    Not great for bigger families tho (very few gardens), or for parking perhaps. But if you are rich and you want a pied a terre or simply love urban life: yes, it is now sensational

    And the transport connexions are probably the best in the world. Literally

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,380
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    “Starmer’s allies say he will decide when he returns from his holiday on 15 August whether to take disciplinary action against Lisa Nandy” for standing on a picketline yesterday reports
    @GuardianHeather

    Fucking Numpty

    There's a long interview with Nandy in this week's New Statesman.

    Interestingly, she takes two pops at Lammy.

    Does she think he will be facing her in a leadership election?

    Interesting. I don't have the NS - could you precis what she has a pop at Lammy about?
    Something about him not supporting BA staff strike and then something about eating a pie balm cake the wrong way.
    Thanks - the latter's a killer.

    Nandy can be pretty funny. She's seriously underestimated by many Tories on here - just like some of us underestimated Truss's appeal.
    Nandy is too pro Brexit for Remainers in Labour and was not Corbynite enough for the Labour left. Hence she got just 16% in the 2020 Labour leadership contest.

    She is also a complete lightweight, even Rayner has gravitas and charisma compared to Nandy
    Nandy is not pro-Brexit. Just like you, she accepted the result, having voted remain.

    And we've already reserved one of your adjective for Lightweight Liz.
    For Labour members she is too pro Brexit, hence she got an abysmal 16% in the 2020 Labour leadership election. Well behind Long Bailey as well as Starmer.

    Truss has miles more gravitas than Nandy even if not much more charisma, same with Starmer compared to Nandy. Rayner and Lammy have miles more charisma than Nandy.

    Streeting and Burnham both have much more gravitas and charisma than Nandy does
    Thanks for correcting me with the facts. Just for a minute, I though you were giving an opinion.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited August 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    That’s not a pre-req.
    Indeed, the Republic of Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth but Rwanda and Mozambique and Gabon and Togo are. Ireland was part of the British Empire, the latter 4 weren't
    Gabon and Togo are NOT in the Commonwealth. Togo was occupied by Britain (jointly with France) 1914 to 1916.
    They are, they joined in June

    https://thecommonwealth.org/countries/gabon#:~:text=Gabon joined the Commonwealth in,be available in due course.
    My god, I honestly didn't know! Apologies.

    Gabon, as far as I know never saw British occupation, but Togo was occupied (as I said, jointly with France) 1914-1916. Until 1914 it was German.
    The part of Togo Britain administered joined the Gold Coast and then became Ghana, what is Togo today was the French part of the condiminium
  • Today confirms Lightweight Lizzy is the female Gavin Williamson.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361
    Sandpit said:

    .

    There’s a report that ATACMS has been cleared for delivery to Ukraine…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS

    300km range, you fire it from a HIMARS.

    That one makes a big boom!

    They’re almost obsolete to the US, but still better than anything currently in theatre, and the US Army has a couple of thousand of them lying around.
    Are they obsolete because they'd use cruise missiles or drones in preference?

    Noticed that we don't have any with our M270s, according to Wikipedia.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    Liz Truss has extended her lead over Rishi Sunak to 34 points in the Tory leadership race, with 60 per cent of party members now saying they will vote for the foreign secretary to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister.

    A YouGov poll for The Times and Times Radio found that almost nine in ten Conservative members have now made up their minds how they will vote ahead of ballot papers going out this week.

    Just 26 per cent say they will support Sunak, compared with 60 per cent for Truss. The rest are undecided or say they will not vote.

    The poll, carried out over the past five days, suggests a significant widening of Truss’s lead. The last YouGov survey, carried out in the wake of Penny Mordaunt’s elimination from the race, had support for Truss on 49 per cent compared with 31 per cent for Sunak, with 15 per cent undecided.

    It shows that Truss is now ahead of Sunak among all age groups, across different parts of the country and men and women. The only category where he beats Truss is among Tory Remain supporters.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/truss-extends-lead-over-sunak-in-tory-leadership-race-3pksqstpp

    This is my experience of Tory members I know. They're all voting for Liz, some were ready to listen to Rishi but the tax u-turns have ended any campaign he had.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    Sounds like one of those intermittent fasting diets but you've mixed up eating and fasting. It sounds dangerous to me. I am considering the 800 (Calories a day) for 8 weeks diets. That is basically 8 Soleros a day for 8 weeks. My fish and chips every day diet has stopped working.
    No drama - I've done exactly this before, and it worked. I shifted 20 pounds in 2 months and it stayed off for ten years (until the pandemic). As the time goes by I do get less harsh on myself, and fast less ruthlessly

    The beauty of it is that the weight drops off quickly, so you are encouraged, and you stick at it. I'm also used to fasting so I can cope with the hunger pangs (normally) and I take a bit of salt and vitamins and the like to stay healthy
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Liz Truss has extended her lead over Rishi Sunak to 34 points in the Tory leadership race, with 60 per cent of party members now saying they will vote for the foreign secretary to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister.

    A YouGov poll for The Times and Times Radio found that almost nine in ten Conservative members have now made up their minds how they will vote ahead of ballot papers going out this week.

    Just 26 per cent say they will support Sunak, compared with 60 per cent for Truss. The rest are undecided or say they will not vote.

    The poll, carried out over the past five days, suggests a significant widening of Truss’s lead. The last YouGov survey, carried out in the wake of Penny Mordaunt’s elimination from the race, had support for Truss on 49 per cent compared with 31 per cent for Sunak, with 15 per cent undecided.

    It shows that Truss is now ahead of Sunak among all age groups, across different parts of the country and men and women. The only category where he beats Truss is among Tory Remain supporters.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/truss-extends-lead-over-sunak-in-tory-leadership-race-3pksqstpp

    YouGov with the whacky polls today
  • In light of the email we PB Tories have received.

    It also suggests that Sunak may be running out of time to claw himself back into the race. Just under half (45 per cent) of members questioned said they would vote as soon as they received their ballot paper this week, with a further 27 per cent saying they would vote “soon after” they received it.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2022
    Right. I’ve rebalanced, post yougov

    Truss %

    Under 60% -93£
    60-64.99% +£9.50
    65-69.99% +£168
    70%+ +£658
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    That’s not a pre-req.
    Indeed, the Republic of Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth but Rwanda and Mozambique and Gabon and Togo are. Ireland was part of the British Empire, the latter 4 weren't
    Gabon and Togo are NOT in the Commonwealth. Togo was occupied by Britain (jointly with France) 1914 to 1916.
    They are, they joined in June

    https://thecommonwealth.org/countries/gabon#:~:text=Gabon joined the Commonwealth in,be available in due course.
    My god, I honestly didn't know! Apologies.

    Gabon, as far as I know never saw British occupation, but Togo was occupied (as I said, jointly with France) 1914-1916. Until 1914 it was German.
    The part of Togo Britain administered joined the Gold Coast and then became Ghana, what is Togo today was the French part of the condiminium
    Yes, that was the post-1916 arrangement. Between 1914-16 the whole former German Togoland was Anglo-French occupied.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    a) SKS sacks a front bencher for saying workers shouldn’t be given a real terms pay cut

    b) LAB plummets in Polls

    Nobody gives a fuck about a) say PB Tories but cant give a reason for b)
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,380
    Leon said:

    Talking of diets, I took my day's exercise today by walking to King's Cross from Camden Market, to see the latest iteration of the King's X development

    I know I've mentioned this before, but it is astonishing, and just gets better. They've now extended it north with new gardens, boulevards, pavilions, a dozen new restaurants, new bars and shops, playgrounds, sculpture parks, schools, industrial sheds turned into mighty echoing art galleries where hipster students play table tennis

    If you like dense, cultured urban life (and lots of restaurants) King's Cross might be the most desirable part of London to live in, right now. Which, for anyone that knew King's Cross in the 80s, is mind-boggling. I'm not sure there is anything like it anywhere else in the world

    So we might have wrecked half of the UK's towns from 1945-2010, but maybe we are learning. Slowly

    When I lived in Camden, 1980s, the area you're talking about was largely Somers Town, wasn't it? A mix of white w/c and a growing Bangladeshi community at that time - a friendly place, albeit a bit run down. I guess that they have made way for the gentrification?
  • Today confirms Lightweight Lizzy is the female Gavin Williamson.

    If we give her a Damehood, can we make her shut up and go away?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Mirror for RR


    Rachel Reeves
    @RachelReevesMP
    We’ve seen today exactly what Liz Truss thinks of public sector workers.

    It’s clear her priority would be to slash their pay packets and send local economies backwards.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    a) SKS sacks a front bencher for saying workers shouldn’t be given a real terms pay cut

    b) LAB plummets in Polls

    Nobody gives a fuck about a) say PB Tories but cant give a reason for b)

    LAB plummets in Poll.

    Wake us up when there's another
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    That’s not a pre-req.
    Indeed, the Republic of Ireland isn't in the Commonwealth but Rwanda and Mozambique and Gabon and Togo are. Ireland was part of the British Empire, the latter 4 weren't
    Gabon and Togo are NOT in the Commonwealth. Togo was occupied by Britain (jointly with France) 1914 to 1916.
    They are, they joined in June

    https://thecommonwealth.org/countries/gabon#:~:text=Gabon joined the Commonwealth in,be available in due course.
    My god, I honestly didn't know! Apologies.

    Gabon, as far as I know never saw British occupation, but Togo was occupied (as I said, jointly with France) 1914-1916. Until 1914 it was German.
    The part of Togo Britain administered joined the Gold Coast and then became Ghana, what is Togo today was the French part of the condiminium
    Yes, that was the post-1916 arrangement. Between 1914-16 the whole former German Togoland was Anglo-French occupied.
    Ah yes i see! I stand educated!
  • kle4 said:

    Driver said:

    What this shows us that the old Liz Truss is still very much there.

    She has a habit of talking about things she doesn't understand, having to walk back what she has said. It does not inspire confidence that is competent or that she is a change from BoJo.

    That announcement to cut pay in the Red Wall will have gone down there very badly.

    The policy has been ditched, can everyone please stop lying about it now?
    Was it ditched, or was it misrepresented? I'm confused, as if it was the latter then there would obviously be no reason to ditch it.
    It was misrepresented and it was ditched. Misrepresented because people implied she wanted to cut nurses' pay, and ditched because she didn't want it to turn into a dementia tax moment.
    She did want to cut nurses’ pay. She wanted new nurses in some regions to be paid less than they currently are.
    That's not cutting anyone's pay though, is it. It's offering new entrants less.

    Although I think we would do better if we went back to the idea of employing people as, effectively, nursing assistants, while they did their training.
    I've been back to back since 9am so only found out about this hoo-ha on reading the threads and checking the news this evening.

    Firstly, Truss killed it so quick it won't even dominate one news cycle to get noticed but, also, even if she hadn't it's not a bad idea, IMHO, and certainly wouldn't damage her with the selectorate.

    Few firms in the private sector operate an identical pay policy nationwide. It's one reason why the public sector struggles to attract workers in London outside the central Whitehall civil service but crowd out the private sector in "the provinces".
    Is that last part, that private sector firms do not have national pay policies, true? Do Tesco shelf-stackers get more in Southampton than Northampton? This BBC article on supermarket wages does not mention it, although London weighting is implied.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61021465
  • Liz Truss has extended her lead over Rishi Sunak to 34 points in the Tory leadership race, with 60 per cent of party members now saying they will vote for the foreign secretary to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister.

    A YouGov poll for The Times and Times Radio found that almost nine in ten Conservative members have now made up their minds how they will vote ahead of ballot papers going out this week.

    Just 26 per cent say they will support Sunak, compared with 60 per cent for Truss. The rest are undecided or say they will not vote.

    The poll, carried out over the past five days, suggests a significant widening of Truss’s lead. The last YouGov survey, carried out in the wake of Penny Mordaunt’s elimination from the race, had support for Truss on 49 per cent compared with 31 per cent for Sunak, with 15 per cent undecided.

    It shows that Truss is now ahead of Sunak among all age groups, across different parts of the country and men and women. The only category where he beats Truss is among Tory Remain supporters.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/truss-extends-lead-over-sunak-in-tory-leadership-race-3pksqstpp

    YouGov with the whacky polls today
    Excluding don't knows, it puts Lizzy on 70% and I'm on Lizzy getting over 70% at 12/1.

    ****Mythical modesty klaxon****
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Liz Truss has extended her lead over Rishi Sunak to 34 points in the Tory leadership race, with 60 per cent of party members now saying they will vote for the foreign secretary to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister.

    A YouGov poll for The Times and Times Radio found that almost nine in ten Conservative members have now made up their minds how they will vote ahead of ballot papers going out this week.

    Just 26 per cent say they will support Sunak, compared with 60 per cent for Truss. The rest are undecided or say they will not vote.

    The poll, carried out over the past five days, suggests a significant widening of Truss’s lead. The last YouGov survey, carried out in the wake of Penny Mordaunt’s elimination from the race, had support for Truss on 49 per cent compared with 31 per cent for Sunak, with 15 per cent undecided.

    It shows that Truss is now ahead of Sunak among all age groups, across different parts of the country and men and women. The only category where he beats Truss is among Tory Remain supporters.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/truss-extends-lead-over-sunak-in-tory-leadership-race-3pksqstpp

    Well that’s somewhat in contrast to last night’s polling of ‘members’.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    a) SKS sacks a front bencher for saying workers shouldn’t be given a real terms pay cut

    b) LAB plummets in Polls

    Nobody gives a fuck about a) say PB Tories but cant give a reason for b)

    Here's one: the Conservatives are up in the polls simply because they've gotten about 20 times the media coverage Labour have in the past few weeks, due to the ongoing leadership election.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    Hmm.... OK....

    Maybe not. 1 bed flats in King's X are £1m for OK ones:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111821045#/media?channel=RES_BUY&id=media7&ref=photoCollage


    and £1.3m for nice one bed flats in the Gasholders:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125626310#/?channel=RES_BUY

    This is King's Cross, not Mayfair. Insane
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    Sounds very WOKE...
    It sounds quite good, apart from the earing normally bit. It's going to be very hard to pack in the nutrition for optimal health into a day's 'normal' eating. You need to make sure in that day you have lots of eggs, a handsome allowance of healthy fats, fish, meat, fruit, veg - you might need some supplementation. Other than that, sounds OK and you should stop feeling hungry and miserable after doing it for a while.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Bet on a Tory lead.

    Yougov are stealing a march on Opinium.

    The Opinium poll on old methodology would have Labour around 8 ahead.

    Yougov; the gold standard?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    a) SKS sacks a front bencher for saying workers shouldn’t be given a real terms pay cut

    b) LAB plummets in Polls

    Nobody gives a fuck about a) say PB Tories but cant give a reason for b)

    Its ok, SKS is waiting till Aug 15th to resurrect the issue once people start to forget. FORENSIC
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Mirror for RR


    Rachel Reeves
    @RachelReevesMP
    We’ve seen today exactly what Liz Truss thinks of public sector workers.

    It’s clear her priority would be to slash their pay packets and send local economies backwards.

    Glad to see that it seems Reeves and Starmer have agreed holiday arrangements. iirc he is off now until mid August so presumably she is doing the mid summer attack dog stuff for a couple of weeks.

    And there's a hell of a lot to attack.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    edited August 2022
    For £1.3 million I'd expect a second bedroom, TBH, or at least a small utility room
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    So what? Nor was Cameroon nor Mozambique nor Rwanda.

    I had no idea they were in the Commonwealth. Well in that case, start drafting the letter to Ukraine...
    Apparently I need the email addresses for five supporters to start a petition on the Parliament petition website - I was intending to start a petition asking HMG to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth.

    If anyone is interested, please do consider sending me an email. My email address is "< first-name >j< last-name >@gmail.com" where my first name and last name were published with this guest slot some time ago.
    Why would we, or indeed the Ukrainians, want Ukraine to join the Commonwealth? If we did, is it within HMG's gift anyway?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    Quite a few models of my acquaintance used to use a variation of 'the cabbage diet' where they'd just have cabbage soup (spiced, plain, herby) for the 'fasting' days. They claimed it worked wonders and kept the worst of the hunger pangs at bay. I imagine there are some fabulous Greek 'green soups' that would also fit the bill.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    The SNP may not like Truss' statement but could to see our potential future PM standing firm against Sturgeon, something most Unionists will welcome.

    He public sector comments may not have been well advised for the electorate as a whole, hence her row back but for party members concerned about public sector crowding out of the private sector in parts of the North it will not have gone down so badly

    Not just the SNP. Quite a few people of other parties, including the "Conservative" one, have taken it very badly.

    For instance:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20594201.former-tory-msp-says-liz-truss-lost-vote-inappropriate-nicola-sturgeon-dig/

    Ignoring a democratically elected First Minister is not a good practice to carry on from Mr Johnson.
    You manage to find 1 ex Tory MSP who has not been at Holyrood for 6 years.

    Ignoring Sturgeon's constant indyref2 shrieking is however an excellent move from a Tory PM, meanwhile actual Tory MSPs like Murdo Fraser are loving the new harder line from Truss
    Murdo Fraser? He's as bad as Ms Truss for changing his mind. He wanted independence for the Scottish Tories. Now he's all in favour of unity.

    Just bear in mind: he's a list MSP, not a constituency one. He will almost always get elected whatever happens under FPTP.
    Look on the bright side, much of Murdo’s and his wee pals’ output is whining about Sturgeon, presumably after the Truss edict this will now cease.
    Genuine LOL.

    Those gobshites won’t manage to ignore the First Minister and her party for 5 minutes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    Taz said:

    I wonder how many are retire and return ?
    Biggest ever vacancy levels already in history of NHS now LT wants a pay cut

    I thought Tories understood supply and demand!
    Not as well as they think.

    Breaking British Rail was (in part) about reducing the Power Of Militant Unions. One of the things that happened was that said unions got really good at playing one employer off against another.

    Having a single national pay framework actually gives the employer an awful lot of power, as the only purchaser of doctors, teachers, nurses and so on.

    TPA, Truss and their acolytes should be very careful what they wish for.
    This is absolutely spot on: regional differences allow employees to shop around for the best wages.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,945
    Leon said:

    Hmm.... OK....

    Maybe not. 1 bed flats in King's X are £1m for OK ones:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111821045#/media?channel=RES_BUY&id=media7&ref=photoCollage


    and £1.3m for nice one bed flats in the Gasholders:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125626310#/?channel=RES_BUY

    This is King's Cross, not Mayfair. Insane

    The question is who is buying them? Who is making that much money?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    IshmaelZ said:

    ping said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    The Auschwitz Diet
    Anti Semitic Ping liked by 2 fellow Anti Semites too!
    No, anti semitism is hating jews, not making iffy jokes about anti semites. Being jezza, not making jokes about jezza.
    Forde -"AS was used as a factional tool"
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2022
    Dishy 11/1
    The mad one 1/11
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    WTF the just happened?

    Sunak out at 12!!!!
  • Today confirms Lightweight Lizzy is the female Gavin Williamson.

    What was yesterday's hustings question on Gavin Williamson all about?
  • WTF the just happened?

    Sunak out at 12!!!!

    See my post at 8.08 pm, I move betting markets.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Sunak is dive bombing.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Sandpit said:

    .

    There’s a report that ATACMS has been cleared for delivery to Ukraine…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-140_ATACMS

    300km range, you fire it from a HIMARS.

    That one makes a big boom!

    They’re almost obsolete to the US, but still better than anything currently in theatre, and the US Army has a couple of thousand of them lying around.
    Are they obsolete because they'd use cruise missiles or drones in preference?

    Noticed that we don't have any with our M270s, according to Wikipedia.
    Being directly replaced by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Strike_Missile which have a longer range, and fit two to a ‘pod’, rather than only one on the ATACMS. UK will be taking those ones.

    Yes, there’s also a lot of new capability on drone and cruise missiles.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294

    Leon said:

    Talking of diets, I took my day's exercise today by walking to King's Cross from Camden Market, to see the latest iteration of the King's X development

    I know I've mentioned this before, but it is astonishing, and just gets better. They've now extended it north with new gardens, boulevards, pavilions, a dozen new restaurants, new bars and shops, playgrounds, sculpture parks, schools, industrial sheds turned into mighty echoing art galleries where hipster students play table tennis

    If you like dense, cultured urban life (and lots of restaurants) King's Cross might be the most desirable part of London to live in, right now. Which, for anyone that knew King's Cross in the 80s, is mind-boggling. I'm not sure there is anything like it anywhere else in the world

    So we might have wrecked half of the UK's towns from 1945-2010, but maybe we are learning. Slowly

    When I lived in Camden, 1980s, the area you're talking about was largely Somers Town, wasn't it? A mix of white w/c and a growing Bangladeshi community at that time - a friendly place, albeit a bit run down. I guess that they have made way for the gentrification?
    No, you've got the wrong bit. This isn't Somers Town at all. This is the derelict railyards and coal depots and shunting crap BEHIND King's X and St Pancras. Battlebridge Road. the gasholders! Seen in many movies as the ultimate in urban wastelands. Became a place for raves in disused warehouses in the late 80s. 67 acres of shite turned into a stunning new neighbourhood

    I used to score heroin where there is now a Tom Dixon design outlet. No joke
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Leon said:

    Hmm.... OK....

    Maybe not. 1 bed flats in King's X are £1m for OK ones:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111821045#/media?channel=RES_BUY&id=media7&ref=photoCollage


    and £1.3m for nice one bed flats in the Gasholders:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125626310#/?channel=RES_BUY

    This is King's Cross, not Mayfair. Insane

    What’s happened to all the hotels where you could, apparently, rent a room by the hour ?
  • Bet on a Tory lead.

    Yougov are stealing a march on Opinium.

    The Opinium poll on old methodology would have Labour around 8 ahead.

    Yougov; the gold standard?
    How big a bounce do the Conservatives need to feel happy? Maggie to Major was roughly a 8 point Labour lead to 8 point Conservative lead.
  • This bet is going to be a winner!


  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Hmm.... OK....

    Maybe not. 1 bed flats in King's X are £1m for OK ones:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111821045#/media?channel=RES_BUY&id=media7&ref=photoCollage


    and £1.3m for nice one bed flats in the Gasholders:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125626310#/?channel=RES_BUY

    This is King's Cross, not Mayfair. Insane

    What’s happened to all the hotels where you could, apparently, rent a room by the hour ?
    All gone. Sic Transit Gloria Mundi
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749

    In light of the email we PB Tories have received.

    It also suggests that Sunak may be running out of time to claw himself back into the race. Just under half (45 per cent) of members questioned said they would vote as soon as they received their ballot paper this week, with a further 27 per cent saying they would vote “soon after” they received it.

    He who wields the knife never wears the crown.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    WTF the just happened?

    Sunak out at 12!!!!

    See my post at 8.08 pm, I move betting markets.
    The Robert Peston of PB !
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567

    Today confirms Lightweight Lizzy is the female Gavin Williamson.

    Except, he never got to be PM.....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    edited August 2022

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.23 Liz Truss 81%
    5.1 Rishi Sunak 20%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.22 Liz Truss 82%
    5.5 Rishi Sunak 18%

    One poll later and it's all aboard the Team Truss choo choo.

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.09 Liz Truss 92%
    11.5 Rishi Sunak 9%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.07 Liz Truss 93%
    12.5 Rishi Sunak 8%
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    Truss going down like a lead balloon in Scotland.

    YouGov, the only pollster to correctly weigh geographical sub-samples:

    London
    Lab 51%
    Con 25%
    LD 17%
    Grn 6%
    Ref 1%

    Rest of South
    Con 41%
    Lab 31%
    LD 15%
    Grn 7%
    Ref 4%

    Midlands and Wales
    Lab 35%
    Con 34%
    LD 9%
    Grn 8%
    Ref 6%
    PC 5%

    North
    Lab 41%
    Con 34%
    LD 14%
    Grn 7%
    Ref 2%

    Scotland
    SNP 48%
    Lab 19%
    Con 18%
    Grn 8%
    LD 5%

    (YouGov / The Times Survey;
    Sample Size: 1797; Fieldwork: 27th - 28th July 2022)

    Pro-independence parties 56%
    Unionist parties 42%

    So what, she has made clear she will never allow an indyref2 on her watch so sod all the SNP can do about it.
    We love your greatest hit, but does your single have a B-side?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited August 2022

    This bet is going to be a winner!


    There’s still £8 available at 12/1 on BF

    I’m all out on that market for now. My main bet is the same, but at better odds - £37 @ 19/1
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    Quite a few models of my acquaintance used to use a variation of 'the cabbage diet' where they'd just have cabbage soup (spiced, plain, herby) for the 'fasting' days. They claimed it worked wonders and kept the worst of the hunger pangs at bay. I imagine there are some fabulous Greek 'green soups' that would also fit the bill.
    When I get a real wobble I do the same! I either have a bowl of hot bone broth (yes @HYUFD) or miso soup. Gives some minerals and vits and flavour with almost no calories
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    12:1 for the pre-race favourite, only two candidates remaining, not a single vote been cast yet (and might not be for a couple of weeks), current odds-on favourite has a history of being gaffe-prone and there aren't any reliable polls of the electorate available?

    Yes please.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Hmm.... OK....

    Maybe not. 1 bed flats in King's X are £1m for OK ones:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111821045#/media?channel=RES_BUY&id=media7&ref=photoCollage


    and £1.3m for nice one bed flats in the Gasholders:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125626310#/?channel=RES_BUY

    This is King's Cross, not Mayfair. Insane

    The question is who is buying them? Who is making that much money?
    Until recently, they’d go to exhibitions in China and Arabia, maybe even Moscow, and sell them for cash off-plan.

    God knows who’s up for a £1m one-bed these days? The few lucky Russkis who got their money out in time?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    Quite a few models of my acquaintance used to use a variation of 'the cabbage diet' where they'd just have cabbage soup (spiced, plain, herby) for the 'fasting' days. They claimed it worked wonders and kept the worst of the hunger pangs at bay. I imagine there are some fabulous Greek 'green soups' that would also fit the bill.
    When I get a real wobble I do the same! I either have a bowl of hot bone broth (yes @HYUFD) or miso soup. Gives some minerals and vits and flavour with almost no calories
    Do you make your own bone broth or buy it?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    All this Taiwan tall takes me back to the start of the year and the absolutely bananananananas set of threads we had where people were convinced China could take Taiwan in a stealth lightning invasion.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Endillion said:

    12:1 for the pre-race favourite, only two candidates remaining, not a single vote been cast yet (and might not be for a couple of weeks), current odds-on favourite has a history of being gaffe-prone and there aren't any reliable polls of the electorate available?

    Yes please.

    I'm going back in at 12/1

    Truss has shown today she is one massive gaffe from implosion. That has to be worth a punt.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Leon said:

    Talking of diets, I took my day's exercise today by walking to King's Cross from Camden Market, to see the latest iteration of the King's X development

    I know I've mentioned this before, but it is astonishing, and just gets better. They've now extended it north with new gardens, boulevards, pavilions, a dozen new restaurants, new bars and shops, playgrounds, sculpture parks, schools, industrial sheds turned into mighty echoing art galleries where hipster students play table tennis

    If you like dense, cultured urban life (and lots of restaurants) King's Cross might be the most desirable part of London to live in, right now. Which, for anyone that knew King's Cross in the 80s, is mind-boggling. I'm not sure there is anything like it anywhere else in the world

    So we might have wrecked half of the UK's towns from 1945-2010, but maybe we are learning. Slowly

    Good luck with the diet. I have the added incentive that the Pitts Special flight I have booked has a weight limit and currently I am 3 kg over it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,294
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Hmm.... OK....

    Maybe not. 1 bed flats in King's X are £1m for OK ones:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/111821045#/media?channel=RES_BUY&id=media7&ref=photoCollage


    and £1.3m for nice one bed flats in the Gasholders:


    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125626310#/?channel=RES_BUY

    This is King's Cross, not Mayfair. Insane

    The question is who is buying them? Who is making that much money?
    Lord knows. I read a couple of articles saying it was wealthy Londoners downsizing from suburban houses to urban flats. There must also be a lot of super affluent students, with St Martin's, UAL, and UCL all close or very close

    And some buy to let? But they all seem let. It's a busy area now and the new flats are clearly occupied (balconies with chairs and bikes etc)

    The death of London was much exaggerated
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MORE IMPORTANTLY

    My diet yields results. 7 pounds down

    I spend my days reading restaurant reviews and fish recipes, and drooling from hunger, but it works

    What is this miracle diet and why can you not eat fish?
    It's a very clever diet where you eat ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL

    For about 3 days, then you eat normally for 1 day (don't binge), then another 3 days with NOTHING

    Brutal, but it works
    Quite a few models of my acquaintance used to use a variation of 'the cabbage diet' where they'd just have cabbage soup (spiced, plain, herby) for the 'fasting' days. They claimed it worked wonders and kept the worst of the hunger pangs at bay. I imagine there are some fabulous Greek 'green soups' that would also fit the bill.
    When I get a real wobble I do the same! I either have a bowl of hot bone broth (yes @HYUFD) or miso soup. Gives some minerals and vits and flavour with almost no calories
    A couple of years ago or so I did the diabetic 800 cal diet for ten days or so. Worked as far as decent weight reduction was concerned, but, as they warned, there is an issue with the old bowels.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    a) SKS sacks a front bencher for saying workers shouldn’t be given a real terms pay cut

    b) LAB plummets in Polls

    Nobody gives a fuck about a) say PB Tories but cant give a reason for b)

    You are living in a fantasy world.

    Starmer is underwhelming but the Tarry sacking isn't what has (likely) reduced the deficit.

    As Mike said a day or two ago the media have been wall to wall Truss, and dissing Sunak like he was some Labour politician. Which is what will explain a Conservative lead over the next weeks. Then the energy bills drop, so you tell me what happens next?

    Starmer sacking Tarry (which I suspect would have little traction anyway, one way or the other) barely made the TV bulletins. For the most part it was behind the Lionesses, Truss, the strikes, holiday chaos, Johnson's party at Bamford's gaff, Ukraine, Nancy Pelosi's proposed trip to Taiwan and just before the cat stuck up a tree story. No one noticed!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    Current Labour Lead By Pollster:

    YouGov: 1%
    Opinium: 3%
    Redfield: 4%
    Techne: 7%
    Deltapoll: 11%
    ComRes: 13%
    Ipsos MORI: 14%

    Problem for Lab the 1.4.and 7 have most recent FW
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    The rise and fall and rise of Truss :D
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,636

    Endillion said:

    12:1 for the pre-race favourite, only two candidates remaining, not a single vote been cast yet (and might not be for a couple of weeks), current odds-on favourite has a history of being gaffe-prone and there aren't any reliable polls of the electorate available?

    Yes please.

    I'm going back in at 12/1

    Truss has shown today she is one massive gaffe from implosion. That has to be worth a punt.
    Or having got this scare behind her she won’t risk another and she should be a stronger favourite.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,839
    edited August 2022

    geoffw said:

    I don't care at all about leadership election promises

    "Honest" Keir has proved that they're worth less than manifesto promises

    Right now I care most about steadfast support for Ukraine

    Truss has been resolutely anti-Russian

    Sunak has allegedly been weak in his pro-Ukrainian stance

    "Honest" Keir twice campaigned hard for Ukraine to not exist

    Watching the Commonwealth games I think it would be nice to invite Ukraine to join the Commonwealth when the dust has settled.
    Good idea.
    Why wait?
    On a technical point, Ukraine was never colonised by the British, therefore...
    Sevastopol was occupied by the Brits in 1855.
    AND French. Be fair.

    Also one or two other members of the alliance, but I can't remember the details of timing and whether those were actually represented by units on the ground.
  • Liz Truss has extended her lead over Rishi Sunak to 34 points in the Tory leadership race, with 60 per cent of party members now saying they will vote for the foreign secretary to succeed Boris Johnson as prime minister.

    A YouGov poll for The Times and Times Radio found that almost nine in ten Conservative members have now made up their minds how they will vote ahead of ballot papers going out this week.

    Just 26 per cent say they will support Sunak, compared with 60 per cent for Truss. The rest are undecided or say they will not vote.

    The poll, carried out over the past five days, suggests a significant widening of Truss’s lead. The last YouGov survey, carried out in the wake of Penny Mordaunt’s elimination from the race, had support for Truss on 49 per cent compared with 31 per cent for Sunak, with 15 per cent undecided.

    It shows that Truss is now ahead of Sunak among all age groups, across different parts of the country and men and women. The only category where he beats Truss is among Tory Remain supporters.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/truss-extends-lead-over-sunak-in-tory-leadership-race-3pksqstpp

    It still looks like there is a Yougov house effect that favours Liz Truss. Of course, Yougov could be right and the others wrongly lean towards Rishi Sunak.
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