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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    Good evening. Just about to read through all today's comments to see if anything happened in British politics today.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,272

    Oh well was bound to happen sooner or later - after feeling a bit rough yesterday with flu-y symptoms tested positive for COVID. Only have had minor examples of two of the symptoms - none of the others - small increase in temperature now back to normal and occasional cough, not consistent. Feeling a bit better today - hoping this trajectory continues!

    Glad it hasn’t hit you too hard. Get well soon!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    edited July 2022
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,395

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    Best wishes to @CarlottaVance. Look after yourself and take it easy for a bit.
  • Best song/cover/sample combination

    Bo Diddley - Hit Or Miss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRDz2wm0Dk

    Odetta - Hit Or Miss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkM4d2CoF0E

    De La Soul Q Tip and the Jungle Brothers - Buddy
    https://www.whosampled.com/De-La-Soul/Buddy/

    I've got other entries

    Obviously none of you care

    But if you do

    Lovin' Spoonful - Summer In The City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwZdDyH9LLc

    Quincy Jones - Summer In The City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcSUi1VP00M

    Pharcyde - Passin' Me By
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0FYJtOdVbI
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Oh well was bound to happen sooner or later - after feeling a bit rough yesterday with flu-y symptoms tested positive for COVID. Only have had minor examples of two of the symptoms - none of the others - small increase in temperature now back to normal and occasional cough, not consistent. Feeling a bit better today - hoping this trajectory continues!

    Get well. We can’t have one of our few female voices keeling over!
    This is the bit in the Downfall vids where they say Errrm ... mein fuhrer...

    CV ist keine Frau
    Plato used to provide about 99% of the female input to this site. A shame she's no longer around.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Andy_JS said:

    Good evening. Just about to read through all today's comments to see if anything happened in British politics today.

    I’m sorry that you had to do that.

    ;)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,922
    ydoethur said:

    Just spent half an hour watering the garden plants.

    It is now pissing down with heavy rain.

    Sums up my July so far. :disappointed:

    It ever rains when you pour...
    Are you trying to butt in on this conversation?
    He's trying to hail the chief.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,840
    eek said:

    Did we really pay Rwanda a large sum of money to handle 200 immigration cases a year?

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1551313012706971649


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    Sunak's solution is that *everyone* who crosses the Channel must know they will go to "Kigali, not King's Cross"

    Rwanda Government has capacity for 200 people. It makes 30-300 asylum decisions a year. Sunak just promised to deport 20,000 asylum seekers there. He can't do this

    What can be done is irrelevant.
    It's all about what is said.
    It's Borisification.
  • So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    Yep. It's another disaster on stilts.

    Leadership election next summer to try and get someone who might save some seats before 2024.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Andy_JS said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Oh well was bound to happen sooner or later - after feeling a bit rough yesterday with flu-y symptoms tested positive for COVID. Only have had minor examples of two of the symptoms - none of the others - small increase in temperature now back to normal and occasional cough, not consistent. Feeling a bit better today - hoping this trajectory continues!

    Get well. We can’t have one of our few female voices keeling over!
    This is the bit in the Downfall vids where they say Errrm ... mein fuhrer...

    CV ist keine Frau
    Plato used to provide about 99% of the female input to this site. A shame she's no longer around.
    She was lovely until she went alt right. And physically lovely. A sad loss.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    eek said:

    Did we really pay Rwanda a large sum of money to handle 200 immigration cases a year?

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1551313012706971649


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    Sunak's solution is that *everyone* who crosses the Channel must know they will go to "Kigali, not King's Cross"

    Rwanda Government has capacity for 200 people. It makes 30-300 asylum decisions a year. Sunak just promised to deport 20,000 asylum seekers there. He can't do this

    We learned on Wednesday that the Home Office fails to fingerprint or photo many of the arrivals, and loses track of them.

    It would seem wise to fix that first.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    GB News is the channel that Sky News used to be when it first started.

    If you doubt this, go on YouTube and watch the first day of Sky News from 1989.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    eek said:

    Did we really pay Rwanda a large sum of money to handle 200 immigration cases a year?

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1551313012706971649


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    Sunak's solution is that *everyone* who crosses the Channel must know they will go to "Kigali, not King's Cross"

    Rwanda Government has capacity for 200 people. It makes 30-300 asylum decisions a year. Sunak just promised to deport 20,000 asylum seekers there. He can't do this

    This is what happens when Johnson rushes through some bonkers idea or other for a couple of days of distracting headlines. Now the party will have to deliver on the policy as both runners, in order to curry favour with the Johnson-loving members, have now committed to go with it, if not expand it massively.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Leon said:

    Oh well was bound to happen sooner or later - after feeling a bit rough yesterday with flu-y symptoms tested positive for COVID. Only have had minor examples of two of the symptoms - none of the others - small increase in temperature now back to normal and occasional cough, not consistent. Feeling a bit better today - hoping this trajectory continues!

    Get well. We can’t have one of our few female voices keeling over!
    Seconded. But I didn't think female. Although do internet ids have a gender?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Best song/cover/sample combination

    Bo Diddley - Hit Or Miss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRDz2wm0Dk

    Odetta - Hit Or Miss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkM4d2CoF0E

    De La Soul Q Tip and the Jungle Brothers - Buddy
    https://www.whosampled.com/De-La-Soul/Buddy/

    I've got other entries

    Obviously none of you care

    But if you do

    Lovin' Spoonful - Summer In The City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwZdDyH9LLc

    Quincy Jones - Summer In The City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcSUi1VP00M

    Pharcyde - Passin' Me By
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0FYJtOdVbI
    Quincy Jones is rubbish, but there's good BB King and Joe cocker attempts. Original is best.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Oh well was bound to happen sooner or later - after feeling a bit rough yesterday with flu-y symptoms tested positive for COVID. Only have had minor examples of two of the symptoms - none of the others - small increase in temperature now back to normal and occasional cough, not consistent. Feeling a bit better today - hoping this trajectory continues!

    Get well. We can’t have one of our few female voices keeling over!
    Seconded. But I didn't think female. Although do internet ids have a gender?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_at_Eight_(1933_film)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    eek said:

    Did we really pay Rwanda a large sum of money to handle 200 immigration cases a year?

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1551313012706971649


    Sunder Katwala
    @sundersays
    Sunak's solution is that *everyone* who crosses the Channel must know they will go to "Kigali, not King's Cross"

    Rwanda Government has capacity for 200 people. It makes 30-300 asylum decisions a year. Sunak just promised to deport 20,000 asylum seekers there. He can't do this

    Perhaps he just means they will pay the £30 000 and elect to be taxed in Kigali

    He is a joke
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Best song/cover/sample combination

    Bo Diddley - Hit Or Miss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRDz2wm0Dk

    Odetta - Hit Or Miss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkM4d2CoF0E

    De La Soul Q Tip and the Jungle Brothers - Buddy
    https://www.whosampled.com/De-La-Soul/Buddy/

    I've got other entries

    Obviously none of you care

    But if you do

    Lovin' Spoonful - Summer In The City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwZdDyH9LLc

    Quincy Jones - Summer In The City
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcSUi1VP00M

    Pharcyde - Passin' Me By
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0FYJtOdVbI
    Quincy Jon|es is rubbish, but there's good BB King and Joe cocker attempts. Original is best.
    Yebbut everyone samples Quincy. Including Pharcyde
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,395

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In fact, it's quite noticeable that exactly the same bozos who told us that IDS was the man, are now telling us that Truss has great, though hitherto undetected, leadership qualities. One of them is Sir Iain Duncan Smith himself - the duddest dud who ever won a leadership election.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,395

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited July 2022
    Nigelb said:

    A single picture summing up the state of Russian engineering.
    https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1551199976436469764

    Yebbut a concentric hole would just be boring.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
    Or introduce PR and then when a solid Lab-Liberal government forms in 2028 - do another eu vote by which time 10% of the leavers of 2016 will be dead.

  • I drunk
  • Pints whoop whoop
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069
    Nigelb said:
    Hmmm. Aren't all party's keen on economic growth, just not very good at delivering it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    edited July 2022

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    That is not the problem. MP's have voted through two deeply unsuitable candidates, one of whom is likely to have used his advantage with MPs to engineer a situation where he is opposed by the weakest alternative candidate. That is all the fault of MPs, not the members. If anyone should be denied a vote in future it's the parliamentary party.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,395

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
    Or introduce PR and then when a solid Lab-Liberal government forms in 2028 - do another eu vote by which time 10% of the leavers of 2016 will be dead.

    Possibly. Although, as you will recall, Nick Clegg's PR referendum didn't exactly go to plan....

    Risky things, referendums.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    Nigelb said:

    A single picture summing up the state of Russian engineering.
    https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1551199976436469764

    Yebbut a concentric hole would just be boring.
    That would be an eccentric forge-ery.
  • Fuck it Leon fuck
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 4,534

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
    Or introduce PR and then when a solid Lab-Liberal government forms in 2028 - do another eu vote by which time 10% of the leavers of 2016 will be dead.

    The Tories need to be removed from office and kept out for the foreseeable future and the only way that can happen is through PR .

    A long period in opposition is what’s needed in the hope that the party might return to a semblance of sanity and move away from the disgusting divisive politics that they’ve inflicted on the UK in recent times .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:
    Hmmm. Aren't all party's keen on economic growth, just not very good at delivering it.
    Oh, I’m yet to be convinced.

    But at least they’re talking about it, rather than Rwanda, or whether they’ll allow civil servants to work from home, etc.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    I like the way the robot’s handlers are blaming the kid for getting his finger broken.
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226

    Fuck it Leon fuck

    Have you been on the electric doobies?
  • moonshine said:

    Fuck it Leon fuck

    Have you been on the electric doobies?
    Nah m8 mooon






    shine
  • Keir can have goes on my tits any day luv
  • Sexy Tony oyyy oyy blairrrrrr


    r
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited July 2022
    I see it's a cheery evening at bar PB !
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226
    In the spring I released 500 native ladybird larvae, in a forlorn hope of keeping the aphids under control. The proper red ones. Not the orange harlequins that are the ones you mostly see these days. Was gratifying to find a pair of them this evening on a fence post “all grown up” and doing what grown up ladybirds do.
  • I see it's a cheery evening at bar PB !

    Fuck offff


    luv u whsiperating oracle absolute lady lad Man U lad
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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,401
    Good evening and off topic...

    I have always had an irrational dislike of people who go on holiday by means of crossing the Channel with their car and then driving to somewhere in France. Especially if their destination is a camp site. Or a "gite". And expecially if they drive continuously for an unsafe period of time. Overnight.

    So a bit of schadenfreude to see them all stuck in queues in Kent for hour after hour.

    Good night all.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226

    Good evening and off topic...

    I have always had an irrational dislike of people who go on holiday by means of crossing the Channel with their car and then driving to somewhere in France. Especially if their destination is a camp site. Or a "gite". And expecially if they drive continuously for an unsafe period of time. Overnight.

    So a bit of schadenfreude to see them all stuck in queues in Kent for hour after hour.

    Good night all.

    You are of course right. Your dislike is quite irrational.
  • I have Wendys!

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  • Goodevening yes good night loves x
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
    Or introduce PR and then when a solid Lab-Liberal government forms in 2028 - do another eu vote by which time 10% of the leavers of 2016 will be dead.

    Possibly. Although, as you will recall, Nick Clegg's PR referendum didn't exactly go to plan....

    Risky things, referendums.
    Agreed. But possibly that's because the ground wasn't prepared. They rushed into it.

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited July 2022
    moonshine said:

    Good evening and off topic...

    I have always had an irrational dislike of people who go on holiday by means of crossing the Channel with their car and then driving to somewhere in France. Especially if their destination is a camp site. Or a "gite". And expecially if they drive continuously for an unsafe period of time. Overnight.

    So a bit of schadenfreude to see them all stuck in queues in Kent for hour after hour.

    Good night all.

    You are of course right. Your dislike is quite irrational.
    I always grew up somehow envying people whose parents took them on driving holidays to Greece through Yugoslavia, and such like. My parents were never the type to do this, but I suppose driving long distances and camping for holidays is ingrained in some people.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,268
    Please continue, Mr Horse Battery
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited July 2022
    Horse is having a merry night. Official summer break is nearly here ; Boris is gone. A lot to celebrate, at least just for a few weeks.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Nigelb said:

    I like the way the robot’s handlers are blaming the kid for getting his finger broken.
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow

    Little shit clearly had it coming. Only the most bigoted meatist would fail to see this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    Horse is having a merry night. Official summer break is nearly here ; Boris is gone. A lot to celebrate, just for a few weeks at least.

    Last I saw Johnson still had his sweaty hands on the nuke codes and a pass key to Chequers, so I will hold back on the celebrations.

    Anyway, what's coming is worse frankly.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    nico679 said:

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
    Or introduce PR and then when a solid Lab-Liberal government forms in 2028 - do another eu vote by which time 10% of the leavers of 2016 will be dead.

    The Tories need to be removed from office and kept out for the foreseeable future and the only way that can happen is through PR .

    A long period in opposition is what’s needed in the hope that the party might return to a semblance of sanity and move away from the disgusting divisive politics that they’ve inflicted on the UK in recent times .
    In order to push PR through without a referendum Labour would have to have it clearly stated in their manifesto.

    Even then the right-wing press will go apeshit and do what they can to derail it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    Leon said:

    Please continue, Mr Horse Battery

    Vaping is a terrible business.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    Good evening and off topic...

    I have always had an irrational dislike of people who go on holiday by means of crossing the Channel with their car and then driving to somewhere in France. Especially if their destination is a camp site. Or a "gite". And expecially if they drive continuously for an unsafe period of time. Overnight.

    So a bit of schadenfreude to see them all stuck in queues in Kent for hour after hour.

    Good night all.

    That was me for goodness knows how many summers.

    Although we tended to use Weymouth and St Malo route.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    edited July 2022

    Good evening and off topic...

    I have always had an irrational dislike of people who go on holiday by means of crossing the Channel with their car and then driving to somewhere in France. Especially if their destination is a camp site. Or a "gite". And expecially if they drive continuously for an unsafe period of time. Overnight.

    So a bit of schadenfreude to see them all stuck in queues in Kent for hour after hour.

    Good night all.

    You haven't told us why you don't like it. (Other than it being irrational).
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited July 2022

    Horse is having a merry night. Official summer break is nearly here ; Boris is gone. A lot to celebrate, just for a few weeks at least.

    Last I saw Johnson still had his sweaty hands on the nuke codes and a pass key to Chequers, so I will hold back on the celebrations.

    Anyway, what's coming is worse frankly.

    I know, but a bit of August, or nearly-August, escapism is always good for the soul. The French, Spanish, Italians and Greeks, are always particularly good at this, with the cities emptying and shops left shuttered and unmanned, and the lower-key, drifting English stasis in August can also be replenishng.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    moonshine said:

    In the spring I released 500 native ladybird larvae, in a forlorn hope of keeping the aphids under control. The proper red ones. Not the orange harlequins that are the ones you mostly see these days. Was gratifying to find a pair of them this evening on a fence post “all grown up” and doing what grown up ladybirds do.

    Interesting.

    How do you get the larvae?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2022
    If Corbyn becomes Mayor will Jewish people be safe in our capitol city?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,226

    moonshine said:

    In the spring I released 500 native ladybird larvae, in a forlorn hope of keeping the aphids under control. The proper red ones. Not the orange harlequins that are the ones you mostly see these days. Was gratifying to find a pair of them this evening on a fence post “all grown up” and doing what grown up ladybirds do.

    Interesting.

    How do you get the larvae?
    Off t’interwebs
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    moonshine said:

    In the spring I released 500 native ladybird larvae, in a forlorn hope of keeping the aphids under control. The proper red ones. Not the orange harlequins that are the ones you mostly see these days. Was gratifying to find a pair of them this evening on a fence post “all grown up” and doing what grown up ladybirds do.

    Interesting.

    How do you get the larvae?
    The mummy and daddy ladybirds have to rub tummies... is what I was told.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    nico679 said:

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
    Or introduce PR and then when a solid Lab-Liberal government forms in 2028 - do another eu vote by which time 10% of the leavers of 2016 will be dead.

    The Tories need to be removed from office and kept out for the foreseeable future and the only way that can happen is through PR .

    A long period in opposition is what’s needed in the hope that the party might return to a semblance of sanity and move away from the disgusting divisive politics that they’ve inflicted on the UK in recent times .
    In order to push PR through without a referendum Labour would have to have it clearly stated in their manifesto.

    Even then the right-wing press will go apeshit and do what they can to derail it.
    Indeed. That is the reality.

    Might be part of the reason Johnson seems to be planning to pack the HoL with peers of his choosing.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    I drunk

    *sigh* Youth (and good booze) is wasted on the young...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    edited July 2022
    GIN1138 said:

    If Corbyn becomes Mayor will Jewish people be safe in our capitol city?

    Yes.

    We still have laws and courts. Oh, and the ECHR.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    Interesting that Murdoch papers seem to be going for Sunak.



  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    nico679 said:

    So, have I got the story so far right?

    The membership are appalled that Johnson has been ousted and would vote him back in again in preference to Sunak and Truss.

    The MPs wanted Johnson out but most of them want Sunak and not Truss.

    If the membership can't have Johnson they will vote in droves for Remainer Truss over Leaver Sunak because he helped oust Johnson.

    So we will end up with PM Truss who only a third MPs want and a membership who never wanted Johnson to leave and view Truss as distant 2nd best.

    Pass the popcorn Jeeves.

    The problem is giving members the vote as Labour discovered with Corbyn and, as the Tories had already discovered back in 2001 with IDS: a leader who does not have the confidence of the parliamentary party.

    It's pretty sobering that Truss got just 50 votes from Tory MPs (14per cent) in the first round. The irresponibility of those promoting her is remarkable. But, of course, they know best just as the IDS crowd did twenty years ago.
    I agree. IBS, Ed Milly, Jezza all thanks to giving members the vote
    In Ed's case it was the unions.

    We would still be in the EU if they hadn't rigged the vote for Ed M via their mail out ballots.
    Yep, and the ERGers who are backing Truss who will probably lead the Tories to annihilation, may quite possibly give Starmer enough personal authority and enough of a majority to roll back Brexit when he gets into Number 10.
    Or introduce PR and then when a solid Lab-Liberal government forms in 2028 - do another eu vote by which time 10% of the leavers of 2016 will be dead.

    The Tories need to be removed from office and kept out for the foreseeable future and the only way that can happen is through PR .

    A long period in opposition is what’s needed in the hope that the party might return to a semblance of sanity and move away from the disgusting divisive politics that they’ve inflicted on the UK in recent times .
    In order to push PR through without a referendum Labour would have to have it clearly stated in their manifesto.

    Even then the right-wing press will go apeshit and do what they can to derail it.
    Indeed. That is the reality.

    Might be part of the reason Johnson seems to be planning to pack the HoL with peers of his choosing.

    That can always be overcome of course. And the HoL would not block a manifesto commitment.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    Interesting that Murdoch papers seem to be going for Sunak.



    My guess is they want to knock out Rish and get PM Truss because they think (probably not unreasonably) that Liz will be so bad as PM the Tories will beg Boris to return before Jan25,,,
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    GIN1138 said:

    Interesting that Murdoch papers seem to be going for Sunak.



    My guess is they want to knock out Rish and get PM Truss because they think (probably not unreasonably) that Liz will be so bad as PM the Tories will beg Boris to return before Jan25,,,
    Little do they know that Truss’s name will rank alongside Attlee and Thatcher.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited July 2022

    GIN1138 said:

    Interesting that Murdoch papers seem to be going for Sunak.



    My guess is they want to knock out Rish and get PM Truss because they think (probably not unreasonably) that Liz will be so bad as PM the Tories will beg Boris to return before Jan25,,,
    Little do they know that Truss’s name will rank alongside Attlee and Thatcher.
    ..in her first dream in Downing Street, as Prime Minister.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,397
    CarlottaVance - May you have a speedy and complete recovery -- with no more attacks by this nasty virus.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043

    GIN1138 said:

    Interesting that Murdoch papers seem to be going for Sunak.



    My guess is they want to knock out Rish and get PM Truss because they think (probably not unreasonably) that Liz will be so bad as PM the Tories will beg Boris to return before Jan25,,,
    Little do they know that Truss’s name will rank alongside Attlee and Thatcher.
    Only in the list of PMs and their total days in office. She'll be alongside them in the sense of being on the list but will down there with the ones who lasted 364 days.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    In the spring I released 500 native ladybird larvae, in a forlorn hope of keeping the aphids under control. The proper red ones. Not the orange harlequins that are the ones you mostly see these days. Was gratifying to find a pair of them this evening on a fence post “all grown up” and doing what grown up ladybirds do.

    Interesting.

    How do you get the larvae?
    Off t’interwebs
    Isn't that for spiders?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 8,480
    edited July 2022

    GIN1138 said:

    Interesting that Murdoch papers seem to be going for Sunak.



    My guess is they want to knock out Rish and get PM Truss because they think (probably not unreasonably) that Liz will be so bad as PM the Tories will beg Boris to return before Jan25,,,
    Little do they know that Truss’s name will rank alongside Attlee and Thatcher.
    Only in the list of PMs and their total days in office. She'll be alongside them in the sense of being on the list but will down there with the ones who lasted 364 days.
    Her portrait will be on the stairs, and inside her first dream as Prime Minister a velvet curtain will rise, a bevy of blue-rinse 1984 party stalwarts will be revealed in a dreamy, heavenly cinematic auditorium-type space, redolent of a Powell and Pressburger film, and Truss will see herself on a giant conference screen saying : " No ! No ! No ! "
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    My favourite newspaper columnist is Matthew Syed in the Sunday Times, and now I'm listening to his radio programme on Radio Four. A pity we can't have Matthew as next prime minister.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931

    Interesting that Murdoch papers seem to be going for Sunak.



    That's ambiguous! :wink:
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931
    Britain forced to beg Belgium for power to keep the lights on
    National Grid issued emergency appeal to avoid blackout last week

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/24/britain-forced-beg-belgium-power-keep-lights/ (£££)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931
    Folkestone becomes ‘new hotspot of holiday hell’ as travel ‘chaos’ hits drivers crossing channel on Eurotunnel
    Holidaymakers and hauliers faced major delays at the Channel Tunnel after delays at Dover eased

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/dover-delays-traffic-holidays-disruption-brexit-french-b1014323.html

    Too few British staff; too few French staff.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2022

    Britain forced to beg Belgium for power to keep the lights on
    National Grid issued emergency appeal to avoid blackout last week

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/24/britain-forced-beg-belgium-power-keep-lights/ (£££)

    To be fair everyone is "begging" everyone right now.. "Saving The Planet" is a costly and humiliating business...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931
    GIN1138 said:

    Britain forced to beg Belgium for power to keep the lights on
    National Grid issued emergency appeal to avoid blackout last week

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/24/britain-forced-beg-belgium-power-keep-lights/ (£££)

    To be fair everyone is "begging" everyone right now.. "Saving The Planet" is a costly and humiliating business...
    It will be interesting to see if Rishi and Liz have anything to say about energy security in their first televised debate tonight beyond platitudes. I'm sure they are both in favour of it but how do we get there?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.53 Liz Truss 65%
    2.92 Rishi Sunak 34%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.52 Liz Truss 66%
    2.92 Rishi Sunak 34%

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.52 Liz Truss 66%
    2.96 Rishi Sunak 34%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.52 Liz Truss 66%
    2.96 Rishi Sunak 34%
    A barely perceptible shift in the betting towards Rishi but there is still some 2/1 available from Boylesports.

    Betfair next prime minister
    1.54 Liz Truss 65%
    2.94 Rishi Sunak 34%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.53 Liz Truss 65%
    2.92 Rishi Sunak 34%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,286
    edited July 2022
    "Shops in France will be ordered to close doors when using air conditioning and limit neon lighting in a bid to cut energy waste, a minister has said.

    These rules, already in place in some areas, will be rolled out across France, Minister of Ecological Transition Agnes Pannier-Runacher told the Journal du Dimanche newspaper. Energy costs in Europe have spiralled since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Shops will be fined up to €750 (£640) for breaking the air-conditioning rule. Leaving doors open when air conditioning is on is "absurd", Ms Pannier-Runacher told local radio station RMC."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62286924
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931
    Andy_JS said:

    Britain forced to beg Belgium for power to keep the lights on
    National Grid issued emergency appeal to avoid blackout last week

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/24/britain-forced-beg-belgium-power-keep-lights/ (£££)

    The Telegraph posted an article the other day saying that we were sending more gas than usual to Europe.
    We've sold our gas storage facilities, solar panels become less efficient as their temperature rises (as in last week's heatwave) and much of France's nuclear estate was down. Fingers crossed for the winter when demand will be high and Russian gas supplies to the continent problematic.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931
    NHS in England facing worst staffing crisis, MPs warn
    The large number of unfilled NHS job vacancies is posing a serious risk to patient safety, a report by MPs says.

    It found England is now short of 12,000 hospital doctors and more than 50,000 nurses and midwives, calling this the worst workforce crisis in NHS history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62267282

    Spoilers: the government is not on track to deliver its manifesto commitment of 6,000 more GPs, and the situation is even worse in the social care sector.

    Something else for the leadership debate tonight.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 23,931
    Andy_JS said:

    "Shops in France will be ordered to close doors when using air conditioning and limit neon lighting in a bid to cut energy waste, a minister has said.

    These rules, already in place in some areas, will be rolled out across France, Minister of Ecological Transition Agnes Pannier-Runacher told the Journal du Dimanche newspaper. Energy costs in Europe have spiralled since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Shops will be fined up to €750 (£640) for breaking the air-conditioning rule. Leaving doors open when air conditioning is on is "absurd", Ms Pannier-Runacher told local radio station RMC."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62286924

    Probably a lot of car drivers make the same mistake.
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