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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (-)
    CON: 31% (-1)
    LDEM: 12% (+2)
    GRN: 6% (-1)

    via @JLPartnersPolls
    , 12 - 14 Jul
    Chgs. w/ Jan

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1548334007091228674
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Liz Truss explains why Brexit would be a terrible idea in 2016.

    https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1548330075472351233
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Can anyone point to a decent/memorable speech that Kemi Badenoch has ever delivered that would gird my loins and millions of other ordinary voters like myself?

    Ditto a policy.

    She's barely had a chance. Not like a junior minister develops policies of their own, and their speeches will only get attention if it is part of some existing argument.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258
    HYUFD said:

    Truss is probably who Labour and the LDs least fear. However whoever wins has to perform a careful balancing act of holding the Leave backing redwall seats that won Boris his majority without losing Remain seats in the South which stayed Tory in 2019 to keep Corbyn out.

    Leadership elections though are not just about picking a candidate your opponents fear but also someone who represents your party's core convictions

    I don’t think holding together the Brexit coalition is as hard as you think now that we have actually brexited

    The Blue Remainers want a constructive and mature relationship with the EU, with a resolution to the NI protocol. That is entirely positive without bending over

    The Red Wall cares more about levelling up and not compromising on freedom of movement. That approach means we can’t have free trade because the EU is obsessive about linking freedom of movement with economics for political reasons. But it doesn’t preclude other deeper relationships
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    BBC Weather is now predicting 42C in some places on Tuesday. eg Wittering Peterborough

    Let that sink in. 42C in little old Wittering

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2633727

    Shit

    There's a bloke on the reddit thread linked to below saying his flat is routinely 10C warmer than the outside temp. How is he not going to die? How is it legal to build or sell or rent out shit buildings like that? My house is a sort of barely habitable stone igloo but it is consistently cooler in than out (23 vs 26 at the moment)
    My flat is also, regularly, 10C warmer than outside. It's the first floor, with very high ceilings, and floor to ceiling windows. Facing absolutely due south

    I will close the windows and blinds early tomorrow, and they might stay shut til Wednesday dawn. And I shall pray

    If it gets really bad I will go to a hotel
    My sage advice - grounded in much experience - for folks with south-facing windows, is to COVER them for the duration.

    Best for this purpose is alumin(i)um foil, taped with clear packing tape, to the outside of the window if possible, shiny side out. Very effective. Downside is that indoors will be darker than the inside of a cow. But ok IF you have decent interior lighting. Plus you can always take it down when direct sunlight no longer hitting the window(s).

    Variant of this is to put foil over lightwide foamboards, then use them to cover the windows, so you can swap them in and out as need be.

    Other alternative are using cardboard as window coverings. AND also deploy drapes & blinds - defense in depth.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    I think it’s now fairly clear that The Oaf hates the Conservative Party.
    To be fair to Boris, he is getting Nadine Dorries out of the Commons.
    Do you mind...Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries....

    :smiley:
    The Rt Honourable Nadine Dorries, please.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    kle4 said:

    Can anyone point to a decent/memorable speech that Kemi Badenoch has ever delivered that would gird my loins and millions of other ordinary voters like myself?

    Ditto a policy.

    She's barely had a chance. Not like a junior minister develops policies of their own, and their speeches will only get attention if it is part of some existing argument.
    The hype on her is unreal, like she's the new Thatcher circa 1975 when she's done feck all.

    I mean by 1975 Mrs Thatcher had so many awesome policy achievements like closing down a record breaking number of grammar schools.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    HYUFD said:

    Truss is probably who Labour and the LDs least fear. However whoever wins has to perform a careful balancing act of holding the Leave backing redwall seats that won Boris his majority without losing Remain seats in the South which stayed Tory in 2019 to keep Corbyn out.

    Leadership elections though are not just about picking a candidate your opponents fear but also someone who represents your party's core convictions

    I don’t think holding together the Brexit coalition is as hard as you think now that we have actually brexited

    The Blue Remainers want a constructive and mature relationship with the EU, with a resolution to the NI protocol. That is entirely positive without bending over

    The Red Wall cares more about levelling up and not compromising on freedom of movement. That approach means we can’t have free trade because the EU is obsessive about linking freedom of movement with economics for political reasons. But it doesn’t preclude other deeper relationships
    That might be true, were it not the policy of all the leadership candidates to be as obstructive as possible because constant rows and lack of resolution enables them to keep the ERG in line.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Not with those choices.
    One of them will end up PM.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785
    Pulpstar said:

    Going to be weirdly windy Tuesday. Normally when it's hot everything is pond still

    It's supposed to be pretty much pond still where I am. Swapsies?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    They made the bed. Let them lie in it - sweating.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    Farooq said:

    moonshine said:

    Jonathan said:

    If elected, Sunak will make a big splash on the global stage. His election will be presented as a big deal. A bit like Obama. You will see him with Macron, Trudeau etc. That presents some risk for Labour, but it’s the economy that will determine the next election.

    Sunak is second generation, Kemi is first. That would blow a lot of minds if a Nigerian immigrant became Prime Minister, especially at such a young age. But yes Rishi would do similar internationally.

    What’s interesting to me is how little race has featured in this election. No one was talking Javid up or down as the son of Pakistani immigrants, ditto Rishi with India or Braverman / Mauritius, Zahawi first Gen Iraq, Kemi first Gen Nigeria.

    There’s been tangential discussion from a left/right point scoring prism but that’s about it. Underlines to me how UK society is far more structured around class than race. Hence “Rishi is the tax raising Davos man”, “Javid just another banker” etc…

    Those that like to do our society down and who so willingly hitched a ride on the BLM train would do well to ponder this.
    Structural racism doesn't mean omnipresent racism.

    If you think BLM's primary focus has been on equality for ethnic minority elites, like Sunak, Javid, Badenoch and other millionaires, then you have missed the point quite spectacularly.
    Or millionaires like its founders?

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    moonshine said:

    Jonathan said:

    If elected, Sunak will make a big splash on the global stage. His election will be presented as a big deal. A bit like Obama. You will see him with Macron, Trudeau etc. That presents some risk for Labour, but it’s the economy that will determine the next election.

    Sunak is second generation, Kemi is first. That would blow a lot of minds if a Nigerian immigrant became Prime Minister, especially at such a young age. But yes Rishi would do similar internationally.

    What’s interesting to me is how little race has featured in this election. No one was talking Javid up or down as the son of Pakistani immigrants, ditto Rishi with India or Braverman / Mauritius, Zahawi first Gen Iraq, Kemi first Gen Nigeria.

    There’s been tangential discussion from a left/right point scoring prism but that’s about it. Underlines to me how UK society is far more structured around class than race. Hence “Rishi is the tax raising Davos man”, “Javid just another banker” etc…

    Those that like to do our society down and who so willingly hitched a ride on the BLM train would do well to ponder this.
    Awesome levels of point missing. You haven't looked at the candidates' own videos, for one thing.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    What are Kemi’s false climate claims?

    She's said Net Zero is unilateral economic disarmament and puts Britain at a disadvantage compared to other countries that are not bothering.

    She's said the 2050 target is arbitrary and she wants a new approach to tackling climate change that is more affordable, practical and fair.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    edited July 2022
    St Andrews got loads of criticism on here on Thursday. Look at the leaderboard now. 5 of the worlds top 9 in the top 7 places, plus 4 time major winner, Dustin Johnson too.

    No other course, consistently does this. It is the best test of golf in the world as it is. It does not need penal rough or ultra slick greens or different balls. It is a magical place that should be kept in line with its traditions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,922
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reading Penny's book - although I suspect it's basically ghost-written by Chris Lewis.

    It's a lot of waffle: what sort of country we are, then long-winded wax-lyricising about our challenges, with some statistics thrown in, and plenty more waffle about the statistics, but very light on solutions.

    Its main premise seems to be to abolish the House of Lords, as if that will fix everything.

    However. A Tory leader ditching the House of Lords would be interesting.
    It needs radical reform. And too much time for an incoming government to waste on it.
    If the House of Lords is replaced by an elected second chamber, it likely just leads to the legislative deadlock we see in the USA in the long run
    Most places get by with two elected chambers, but the Commons would need to think very carefully what kind of chamber it wants if it replaces the Lords.

    Given how governments dislike scrutiny, I'd suspect they'd be more in favour of unicameralism.
    Of comparable western nations to ours only the US, Australia, Japan and Italy have fully directly elected second chambers
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,012
    WTF, bowler just missed the strip in the T20 and the umpire didn't give a wide.

    Edit - i think somebody had a word and told him to give it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Farooq said:

    moonshine said:

    Jonathan said:

    If elected, Sunak will make a big splash on the global stage. His election will be presented as a big deal. A bit like Obama. You will see him with Macron, Trudeau etc. That presents some risk for Labour, but it’s the economy that will determine the next election.

    Sunak is second generation, Kemi is first. That would blow a lot of minds if a Nigerian immigrant became Prime Minister, especially at such a young age. But yes Rishi would do similar internationally.

    What’s interesting to me is how little race has featured in this election. No one was talking Javid up or down as the son of Pakistani immigrants, ditto Rishi with India or Braverman / Mauritius, Zahawi first Gen Iraq, Kemi first Gen Nigeria.

    There’s been tangential discussion from a left/right point scoring prism but that’s about it. Underlines to me how UK society is far more structured around class than race. Hence “Rishi is the tax raising Davos man”, “Javid just another banker” etc…

    Those that like to do our society down and who so willingly hitched a ride on the BLM train would do well to ponder this.
    Structural racism doesn't mean omnipresent racism.

    If you think BLM's primary focus has been on equality for ethnic minority elites, like Sunak, Javid, Badenoch and other millionaires, then you have missed the point quite spectacularly.
    Or millionaires like its founders?

    https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/
    Uppity...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    Can anyone point to a decent/memorable speech that Kemi Badenoch has ever delivered that would gird my loins and millions of other ordinary voters like myself?

    Ditto a policy.

    The only person in the Tory party who's ever excited you is George Osborne.

    Y'know, the guy who only 2% of the public liked.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    One of the things seldom mentioned in the discussions of global warming is that some nations are likely to be net gainers from a planet that is a couple of degrees (Celsius) warmer. That would be true, for example, for Canada and Russia, which just happen to be major oil producers.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    dixiedean said:
    I am certainly no climate change skeptic, and very likely disagree with Kemi, but I see no dishonesty here.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    kle4 said:

    Can anyone point to a decent/memorable speech that Kemi Badenoch has ever delivered that would gird my loins and millions of other ordinary voters like myself?

    Ditto a policy.

    She's barely had a chance. Not like a junior minister develops policies of their own, and their speeches will only get attention if it is part of some existing argument.
    The hype on her is unreal, like she's the new Thatcher circa 1975 when she's done feck all.

    I mean by 1975 Mrs Thatcher had so many awesome policy achievements like closing down a record breaking number of grammar schools.
    And stealing our milk.
    (Thought it was vile as a kid, especially in the summer.)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    HYUFD said:

    Truss is probably who Labour and the LDs least fear. However whoever wins has to perform a careful balancing act of holding the Leave backing redwall seats that won Boris his majority without losing Remain seats in the South which stayed Tory in 2019 to keep Corbyn out.

    Leadership elections though are not just about picking a candidate your opponents fear but also someone who represents your party's core convictions

    I don’t think holding together the Brexit coalition is as hard as you think now that we have actually brexited

    The Blue Remainers want a constructive and mature relationship with the EU, with a resolution to the NI protocol. That is entirely positive without bending over

    The Red Wall cares more about levelling up and not compromising on freedom of movement. That approach means we can’t have free trade because the EU is obsessive about linking freedom of movement with economics for political reasons. But it doesn’t preclude other deeper relationships
    It's contingent on economic growth.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Be grateful Carrie never noticed this, or there might have been nothing left to waste on restoring the HoC.
    https://twitter.com/theoldbuilding/status/1548285662008188929
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    Good. Get Dorries well away from the her destroy-the-BBC mission.
    Peers can sit in cabinet ...
    You think Nadine gets a Cabinet seat with ANY of the final five?

    Nah....
    I hear Penny Mordaunt will make Nadine Dorries ambassador to Afghanistan.
    Possible that PMPM might appoint MadNad as ambassador to Scotland? Yet another troubled nation making more trouble on the world stage.

    BUT with a catch that they each fail to recognize? Though perhaps SNP would welcome the news!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    My goodness it is a beautiful evening. Warm with a gentle breeze. We must remember to enjoy these moments.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431

    kle4 said:

    Can anyone point to a decent/memorable speech that Kemi Badenoch has ever delivered that would gird my loins and millions of other ordinary voters like myself?

    Ditto a policy.

    She's barely had a chance. Not like a junior minister develops policies of their own, and their speeches will only get attention if it is part of some existing argument.
    The hype on her is unreal, like she's the new Thatcher circa 1975 when she's done feck all.

    I mean by 1975 Mrs Thatcher had so many awesome policy achievements like closing down a record breaking number of grammar schools.
    And earned the title of ‘Milk Snatcher’!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    I think it’s now fairly clear that The Oaf hates the Conservative Party.
    To be fair to Boris, he is getting Nadine Dorries out of the Commons.
    Do you mind...Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries....

    :smiley:
    The Rt Honourable Nadine Dorries, please.
    Correction: The Rt Horrible . . .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632

    Can anyone point to a decent/memorable speech that Kemi Badenoch has ever delivered that would gird my loins and millions of other ordinary voters like myself?

    Ditto a policy.

    The only person in the Tory party who's ever excited you is George Osborne.

    Y'know, the guy who only 2% of the public liked.
    Fake news.

    Thatcher, Clarke, Cameron, got me excited than George ever did.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going to be weirdly windy Tuesday. Normally when it's hot everything is pond still

    It's supposed to be pretty much pond still where I am. Swapsies?
    Here..


  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,161
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    BBC Weather is now predicting 42C in some places on Tuesday. eg Wittering Peterborough

    Let that sink in. 42C in little old Wittering

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2633727

    Shit

    There's a bloke on the reddit thread linked to below saying his flat is routinely 10C warmer than the outside temp. How is he not going to die? How is it legal to build or sell or rent out shit buildings like that? My house is a sort of barely habitable stone igloo but it is consistently cooler in than out (23 vs 26 at the moment)
    My flat is also, regularly, 10C warmer than outside. It's the first floor, with very high ceilings, and floor to ceiling windows. Facing absolutely due south

    I will close the windows and blinds early tomorrow, and they might stay shut til Wednesday dawn. And I shall pray

    If it gets really bad I will go to a hotel
    What's the temprature the night before?

    The classic is crossflow ventilation until it goes above 20C in the morning, then close up the wndows and blinds to keep the heat out.

    Evaporative ('swamp' in American) coolers can also be surprisingly beneficial.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Nigelb said:

    Be grateful Carrie never noticed this, or there might have been nothing left to waste on restoring the HoC.
    https://twitter.com/theoldbuilding/status/1548285662008188929

    Give her time. Suspect she'll have same attitude as First Lady Florence Cleveland, who after her husband lost the 1888 election, supposedly told the White House staff, to take good care of the place, because (I paraphrase) "we'll be back!"

    As indeed they were, after Grover Cleveland won the 1892 election.
  • TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    An exceedingly pleasant 20 degrees here. My banana and citrus plants are doing very well indeed.

    Husband has been invited to sign up for hustings. The nearest in person ones will be in Newcastle. None in this part of the NorthWest. He is not impressed by that. So it will be online

    Camden Market, which is as busy as I've seen it in years.
    Thus speaks an incomer. What a meaningless statement to make about "Camden Market" at the weekend in summer.
    WTF are you on about, you big rank hairy twat? I've lived in London for 35+ years, nearly always within walking distance of Camden Market. For the last 11 years I have lived 300 metres away from the Market

    The Market has grown busier and busier over that time (as it has expanded). Covid interrupted this, now the expansion continues
    It is always busy you plonker. Covid notwithstanding. You incomer.
    If I recall correctly you were born west of the Park. You know nothing
    Avenue Road.
    Does Google maps still abbreviate that to Ave Rd?

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663

    England is glorious on days like today.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Jonathan said:

    My goodness it is a beautiful evening. Warm with a gentle breeze. We must remember to enjoy these moments.

    My recommendation for Monday or Tuesday is to go swimming in Loch Morlich. It is properly freezing!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Can anyone point to a decent/memorable speech that Kemi Badenoch has ever delivered that would gird my loins and millions of other ordinary voters like myself?

    Ditto a policy.

    The only person in the Tory party who's ever excited you is George Osborne.

    Y'know, the guy who only 2% of the public liked.
    Osborne and Brown saved the Union. According to the PB Herd 2014.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    NEW @JLPartnersPolls for The Sunday @Telegraph

    We polled a representative sample of 4,500 people and used MrP to model it onto seats - with awareness of candidates factored in.

    In 76% of seats the Conservatives won in 2019, Rishi Sunak has the highest net 'good PM' rating (1/6)

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1548291779522244608/photo/1

    Tom Tugendhat tops the table in 70 of them, 19%.

    Penny Mordaunt comes first in only 19 seats (5%).

    Liz Truss or Kemi Badenoch do not top the table in any seat the Conservatives won in 2019. (2/6)

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    moonshine said:

    Jonathan said:

    If elected, Sunak will make a big splash on the global stage. His election will be presented as a big deal. A bit like Obama. You will see him with Macron, Trudeau etc. That presents some risk for Labour, but it’s the economy that will determine the next election.

    Sunak is second generation, Kemi is first. That would blow a lot of minds if a Nigerian immigrant became Prime Minister, especially at such a young age. But yes Rishi would do similar internationally.

    What’s interesting to me is how little race has featured in this election. No one was talking Javid up or down as the son of Pakistani immigrants, ditto Rishi with India or Braverman / Mauritius, Zahawi first Gen Iraq, Kemi first Gen Nigeria.

    There’s been tangential discussion from a left/right point scoring prism but that’s about it. Underlines to me how UK society is far more structured around class than race. Hence “Rishi is the tax raising Davos man”, “Javid just another banker” etc…

    Those that like to do our society down and who so willingly hitched a ride on the BLM train would do well to ponder this.
    I'm old enough to remember when Meghan Markle joining the Royal family meant racism was over.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Jonathan said:


    England is glorious on days like today.

    Is this from Penny Mordaunt's video?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited July 2022
    Found this chart of the hottest day every year in UK since 1900.
    Noticeably, years without a 30°C at all weren't particularly unusual. Last time was 1993.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,663
    edited July 2022

    Jonathan said:


    England is glorious on days like today.

    Is this from Penny Mordaunt's video?
    Very good, but no. This is real Sussex right now. Mad spaniel just out of shot. Not a bad PB stock photo for Tory stories though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    One of the things seldom mentioned in the discussions of global warming is that some nations are likely to be net gainers from a planet that is a couple of degrees (Celsius) warmer. That would be true, for example, for Canada and Russia, which just happen to be major oil producers.

    There's a whole book on precisely this that i read a few years ago by a US geographer. Called something like the 'New North'.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Jonathan said:

    England is glorious on Day

    Jonathan said:


    England is glorious on days like today.

    Is this from Penny Mordaunt's video?
    Very good, but no. This is real Sussex right now. Mad spaniel just out of shot. Not a bad PB stock photo for Tory stories though.
    Would need to add a spinster riding her bicycle to Evensong?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    dixiedean said:

    Found this chart of the hottest day every year in UK since 1900.
    Noticeably, years without a 30°C at all weren't particularly unusual. Last time was 1993.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html

    Hah I'm 5 miles from Bawtry. Could it retake the title ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    O/T

    Janan Ganesh in the FT:

    "Earlier this month, I went out with a few journalists I hadn’t met before. Ninety or so seconds of pleasantries passed before it became a verbal tempest about our industry: who is unoriginal, who writes like a klutz, who is there on account of his old man. The chat was lacking in humility, decorum and consideration for others. I can’t wait to do it again. After the unexpected formalities of America, it was a kind of exhalation."

    https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1548326776442535936
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,922
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW @JLPartnersPolls for The Sunday @Telegraph

    We polled a representative sample of 4,500 people and used MrP to model it onto seats - with awareness of candidates factored in.

    In 76% of seats the Conservatives won in 2019, Rishi Sunak has the highest net 'good PM' rating (1/6)

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1548291779522244608/photo/1

    Tom Tugendhat tops the table in 70 of them, 19%.

    Penny Mordaunt comes first in only 19 seats (5%).

    Liz Truss or Kemi Badenoch do not top the table in any seat the Conservatives won in 2019. (2/6)

    On a net rating of all voters as to whether they would make a good or bad PM, Badenoch is on -15%, Truss on -13%, Mordaunt on -4%, Tugendhat on -2% and Sunak on 0

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1548291790649712640?s=20&t=9vNr_buj_07EFWcXUbgCgQ
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    OT the World Matchplay Darts kicks off tonight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    .

    OT the World Matchplay Darts kicks off tonight.

    Who cares about a pub game.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    MattW said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    An exceedingly pleasant 20 degrees here. My banana and citrus plants are doing very well indeed.

    Husband has been invited to sign up for hustings. The nearest in person ones will be in Newcastle. None in this part of the NorthWest. He is not impressed by that. So it will be online

    Camden Market, which is as busy as I've seen it in years.
    Thus speaks an incomer. What a meaningless statement to make about "Camden Market" at the weekend in summer.
    WTF are you on about, you big rank hairy twat? I've lived in London for 35+ years, nearly always within walking distance of Camden Market. For the last 11 years I have lived 300 metres away from the Market

    The Market has grown busier and busier over that time (as it has expanded). Covid interrupted this, now the expansion continues
    It is always busy you plonker. Covid notwithstanding. You incomer.
    If I recall correctly you were born west of the Park. You know nothing
    Avenue Road.
    Exactly. THE Park. Primrose Hill. It is the only Royal Park worthy of the name
    Isn't Avenue Road the place for dodgy plutocrats who can't afford Bishops Avenue?

    Can it be reached with a private helicopter?
    Who the hell would choose to live in Bishop's Avenue.

    And Winnington Road was the substitute. Both near Kenwood.
    Someone with lots of cash and a helicopter :smile:
    Sure: but if you had infinite cash to spend, why wouldn't you much prefer Avenue Road, or the fancier bits of Primrose Hill / St John's Wood?

    You'd get the same close access to a delightful park (Regent's, rather than Hampstead Heath), and you'd also have much better access to restaurants, shops, public transport*, and central London.

    * For the staff
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    Found this chart of the hottest day every year in UK since 1900.
    Noticeably, years without a 30°C at all weren't particularly unusual. Last time was 1993.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html

    Hah I'm 5 miles from Bawtry. Could it retake the title ?
    Notts or Yorkshire side?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    Good. Get Dorries well away from the her destroy-the-BBC mission.
    Peers can sit in cabinet ...
    You think Nadine gets a Cabinet seat with ANY of the final five?

    Nah....
    But in that case why give the lady a peerage if it makes no difference to the BBC?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Found this chart of the hottest day every year in UK since 1900.
    Noticeably, years without a 30°C at all weren't particularly unusual. Last time was 1993.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html

    Wait, the hottest temperature record in 1978 was in Poolewe? That's crazy. That's even farther north than me.
    3 times in Scotland in the 70's.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    Good. Get Dorries well away from the her destroy-the-BBC mission.
    Peers can sit in cabinet ...
    You think Nadine gets a Cabinet seat with ANY of the final five?

    Nah....
    I hear Penny Mordaunt will make Nadine Dorries ambassador to Afghanistan.
    Possible that PMPM might appoint MadNad as ambassador to Scotland? Yet another troubled nation making more trouble on the world stage.

    BUT with a catch that they each fail to recognize? Though perhaps SNP would welcome the news!
    Making Dorries Scotland/Indyref minister would be immensely entertaining. I would pay decent money to see a TV indyref debate between NS and ND.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
    Why do you say that? Sound advice
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    HYUFD said:

    Truss is probably who Labour and the LDs least fear. However whoever wins has to perform a careful balancing act of holding the Leave backing redwall seats that won Boris his majority without losing Remain seats in the South which stayed Tory in 2019 to keep Corbyn out.

    Leadership elections though are not just about picking a candidate your opponents fear but also someone who represents your party's core convictions

    I don’t think holding together the Brexit coalition is as hard as you think now that we have actually brexited

    The Blue Remainers want a constructive and mature relationship with the EU, with a resolution to the NI protocol. That is entirely positive without bending over

    The Red Wall cares more about levelling up and not compromising on freedom of movement. That approach means we can’t have free trade because the EU is obsessive about linking freedom of movement with economics for political reasons. But it doesn’t preclude other deeper relationships
    It's contingent on economic growth.
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Janan Ganesh in the FT:

    "Earlier this month, I went out with a few journalists I hadn’t met before. Ninety or so seconds of pleasantries passed before it became a verbal tempest about our industry: who is unoriginal, who writes like a klutz, who is there on account of his old man. The chat was lacking in humility, decorum and consideration for others. I can’t wait to do it again. After the unexpected formalities of America, it was a kind of exhalation."

    https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1548326776442535936

    Giles Coren in The Times is the worst.

    I always skip over his articles.

    I have no idea how he got the job.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,161

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    FPT

    1976: not only were the Synoptics absolutely unique and not yet repeated, but the UK had the biggest warm anomaly of anywhere on earth that summer, with blues on the anomaly map across much of the rest of the planet. Now we are just one bit of a vast sea of red and orange, despite it being a (relatively cool) La Niña year globally.

    If we saw June-July Synoptics in 2022 we would get a repeat of 1976, but with temperatures a degree of two higher.

    Indeed this morning’s GFS run showed essentially a 1976-style run of hot days from next weekend, 34-36C day after day. Massive outlier big shows what would happen if we ever repeated the pattern.

    June 1976 averaged 17.0C in central England, the same as July 2022 so far, before the heatwave.

    1976 is the “we survived the blitz” of modern British climate denial.

    1976 was more that that, and generally I don't think we are anywhere near that yet.

    It was for three months and nearly 18C average:

    In the Central England Temperature series, 1976 is the hottest summer for more than 350 years. The average temperature over the whole summer (June, July, August) was 17.77 °C (63.99 °F), compared to the average for the unusually warm years between 2001–2008 of 16.30 °C (61.34 °F).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_British_Isles_heat_wave

    The noticeable thing for me this year - Midlands - so far is the changeability of it. We have had a heat wave in spring, plus a cold period. Followed by May/June/July where we have continued to receive periodic rain - my garden water butts keep getting refilled by showers and overnight rain before they run completely dry.

    Also the water problems in 1976 were also due to an extended serious shortage of rain from Summer 75 / Autumn 75 / Winter 75 / Spring 76.

    Even in 2018 hosepipe bans started at the end of June. To date this year none are in place.

    There are also background factors, such as reduced water reduced leakage in the supply.

    I was going to add in reduced leakage, but when I can find immediate estimates that domestic is either 5% or 50% of total usage, I don't think that reliable figures exist.
    Even so, the denial is a bit like saying house fires dont' exist because the average temperature of a burnt down house is about 25 degC averaged out for a year.
    Is anyone still in denial about the gradual warming of the climate and the need to continue to address it?

    Who?
    Quite a few folk ... including some Tories. One of us was denying the need for net zero policies only a couple of hours ago, which is pretty much the same thing.

    Edit: I have just realised yo might have thought my comment was aimed at you specifically. Not at all; apologies if it was misconstrued as such. It was an allusion to TimT's final comment, before your post (and again not aimed at him but the situation he mentions).
    To be fair, you can accept global warming whilst also opposing net zero policies if you come to slightly depressing conclusion that it's not going to work with populations in China, Africa and India continuing to grow.

    I'm sympathetic to that position, but still think going for net zero is worth it for a bunch of other reasons (primarily cheap, secure energy provision and air pollution in our cities).
    China and India are most threatened by global warming, so they will take action out of self-interest. Agriculture in China is particularly at risk.
    @Carnyx No problem - not how I intrepreted it, but thanks :smile: .

    One thing that seems to happen is that "we're not going to make it and the Government MUST DO MORE" evaluations reach a conclusion based on nothing more being put in place over what is already in place plus some trend assumptions.

    I tend to see the glass half full, though continually cross currently with BJ for free-wheeling and arse-sitting, and ignoring the things that should already be in place. And the Cons not having taken advantage of some things that should have been developed strategically, such as a domestic wind manufacturing / consulting industry, and perhaps some creative leveraging of the overseas aid budget.

    But I think that they will continue to happen regardless of Govt, because the consensus pressure is now too strong to resist.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    HYUFD said:

    Truss is probably who Labour and the LDs least fear. However whoever wins has to perform a careful balancing act of holding the Leave backing redwall seats that won Boris his majority without losing Remain seats in the South which stayed Tory in 2019 to keep Corbyn out.

    Leadership elections though are not just about picking a candidate your opponents fear but also someone who represents your party's core convictions

    I don’t think holding together the Brexit coalition is as hard as you think now that we have actually brexited

    The Blue Remainers want a constructive and mature relationship with the EU, with a resolution to the NI protocol. That is entirely positive without bending over

    The Red Wall cares more about levelling up and not compromising on freedom of movement. That approach means we can’t have free trade because the EU is obsessive about linking freedom of movement with economics for political reasons. But it doesn’t preclude other deeper relationships
    It's contingent on economic growth.
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Janan Ganesh in the FT:

    "Earlier this month, I went out with a few journalists I hadn’t met before. Ninety or so seconds of pleasantries passed before it became a verbal tempest about our industry: who is unoriginal, who writes like a klutz, who is there on account of his old man. The chat was lacking in humility, decorum and consideration for others. I can’t wait to do it again. After the unexpected formalities of America, it was a kind of exhalation."

    https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1548326776442535936

    Giles Coren in The Times is the worst.

    I always skip over his articles.

    I have no idea how he got the job.
    He radiates a personal unpleasantness.
    And he’s posted some quite offensive stuff on Twitter.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW @JLPartnersPolls for The Sunday @Telegraph

    We polled a representative sample of 4,500 people and used MrP to model it onto seats - with awareness of candidates factored in.

    In 76% of seats the Conservatives won in 2019, Rishi Sunak has the highest net 'good PM' rating (1/6)

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1548291779522244608/photo/1

    Tom Tugendhat tops the table in 70 of them, 19%.

    Penny Mordaunt comes first in only 19 seats (5%).

    Liz Truss or Kemi Badenoch do not top the table in any seat the Conservatives won in 2019. (2/6)

    On a net rating of all voters as to whether they would make a good or bad PM, Badenoch is on -15%, Truss on -13%, Mordaunt on -4%, Tugendhat on -2% and Sunak on 0

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1548291790649712640?s=20&t=9vNr_buj_07EFWcXUbgCgQ
    I presume this is just modelling the poll of the debate last night?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    moonshine said:

    Penny Mordaunt followed by a 2023 election is bad news for both oppo parties. She’ll be an effective campaigner but possibly ineffective administrator. So an election during a honeymoon period hot on the heels of a major political reset = Tory majority

    I think that's right: I think she could well benefit from an end of the war in Ukraine (and therefore fuel and food prices falling), combined with a generally cheerful disposition and a vague sense of patriotism. (Plus the fact she doesn't appear to be a wingnut.)

    But.

    There's that increasingly nagging doubt that she'd be pretty rubbish at the job.

    It would make 2023/4 like 1992, and 2028/9 like 1997.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    Found this chart of the hottest day every year in UK since 1900.
    Noticeably, years without a 30°C at all weren't particularly unusual. Last time was 1993.

    https://www.trevorharley.com/hottest-day-of-each-year-from-1900.html

    Hah I'm 5 miles from Bawtry. Could it retake the title ?
    Notts or Yorkshire side?
    Notts
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,922
    Evangelical Christian Voice endorses Kemi Badenoch for next Tory leader but not with a huge amount of
    enthusiasm for any candidate

    https://twitter.com/ChristianVoicUK/status/1548339957441257472?s=20&t=4v5AYtP8JPOWrileW_XZSw
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    IshmaelZ said:

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
    Why do you say that? Sound advice
    If you think its great your EMPLOYER tells you to not go for a walk then I differ in the way I would like society to operate - Its chit advice anyway - isolate yourself basically- great!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,922

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW @JLPartnersPolls for The Sunday @Telegraph

    We polled a representative sample of 4,500 people and used MrP to model it onto seats - with awareness of candidates factored in.

    In 76% of seats the Conservatives won in 2019, Rishi Sunak has the highest net 'good PM' rating (1/6)

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1548291779522244608/photo/1

    Tom Tugendhat tops the table in 70 of them, 19%.

    Penny Mordaunt comes first in only 19 seats (5%).

    Liz Truss or Kemi Badenoch do not top the table in any seat the Conservatives won in 2019. (2/6)

    On a net rating of all voters as to whether they would make a good or bad PM, Badenoch is on -15%, Truss on -13%, Mordaunt on -4%, Tugendhat on -2% and Sunak on 0

    https://twitter.com/jamesjohnson252/status/1548291790649712640?s=20&t=9vNr_buj_07EFWcXUbgCgQ
    I presume this is just modelling the poll of the debate last night?
    Separate poll, not just of debate viewers
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    ohnotnow said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    Good. Get Dorries well away from the her destroy-the-BBC mission.
    Peers can sit in cabinet ...
    You think Nadine gets a Cabinet seat with ANY of the final five?

    Nah....
    I hear Penny Mordaunt will make Nadine Dorries ambassador to Afghanistan.
    Possible that PMPM might appoint MadNad as ambassador to Scotland? Yet another troubled nation making more trouble on the world stage.

    BUT with a catch that they each fail to recognize? Though perhaps SNP would welcome the news!
    Making Dorries Scotland/Indyref minister would be immensely entertaining. I would pay decent money to see a TV indyref debate between NS and ND.
    I remember the one between NS and Alastair Carmichael. It was reminiscent of the ox being fed to the raptors in Jurassic Park.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    You might think I've gone mad but Truss could be great for the stock market.
    You'd need a real hack in at the BoE if she was in charge though so there wasn't a run on the pound
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Hawk
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    ohnotnow said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    Good. Get Dorries well away from the her destroy-the-BBC mission.
    Peers can sit in cabinet ...
    You think Nadine gets a Cabinet seat with ANY of the final five?

    Nah....
    I hear Penny Mordaunt will make Nadine Dorries ambassador to Afghanistan.
    Possible that PMPM might appoint MadNad as ambassador to Scotland? Yet another troubled nation making more trouble on the world stage.

    BUT with a catch that they each fail to recognize? Though perhaps SNP would welcome the news!
    Making Dorries Scotland/Indyref minister would be immensely entertaining. I would pay decent money to see a TV indyref debate between NS and ND.
    My point is that PM & MD may NOT realize that AMBASSADORS are only appointed for foreign countries & international organizations.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    Andy_JS said:

    The only sensible choices for leader are Rishi Sunak or Kemi Badenoch IMO.

    Rishi Sunak is a competent administrator, who would probably be a disaster on the campaign trail. He's also decidedly unsound on Ukraine.

    Kemi Badenoch has ideas, and is fresh, but we have no real idea if she'd be able to deal with the pressures of the job or be a particularly good administrator. She feels like the right choice to grow from opposition. But - hey - she might be worth a swing...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
    Why do you say that? Sound advice
    If you think its great your EMPLOYER tells you to not go for a walk then I differ in the way I would like society to operate - Its chit advice anyway - isolate yourself basically- great!
    OK you do you. Let us know how you get on.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
    Why do you say that? Sound advice
    If you think its great your EMPLOYER tells you to not go for a walk then I differ in the way I would like society to operate - Its chit advice anyway - isolate yourself basically- great!
    OK you do you. Let us know how you get on.
    I wonder if SGA realises you're not talking about covid?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,161
    edited July 2022
    My temp forecasts (via Alexa)

    Sat night: 15C
    Sun: Max 29C
    Sun night: 18C
    Mon: Max 35C
    Mon night: 20C
    Tue: Max 35C
    Tue night: 17C
    Wed: Max 21C

    Requires a shift to staying at home or out of the sun 12pm to 5pm. Those nights are cool enough to cool the place overnight.

    I perhaps need a thermometer to stick on the outside of a shaded window.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited July 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The only sensible choices for leader are Rishi Sunak or Kemi Badenoch IMO.

    Rishi Sunak is a competent administrator, who would probably be a disaster on the campaign trail. He's also decidedly unsound on Ukraine.

    Kemi Badenoch has ideas, and is fresh, but we have no real idea if she'd be able to deal with the pressures of the job or be a particularly good administrator. She feels like the right choice to grow from opposition. But - hey - she might be worth a swing...
    I agree with this.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited July 2022
    Pulpstar said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going to be weirdly windy Tuesday. Normally when it's hot everything is pond still

    It's supposed to be pretty much pond still where I am. Swapsies?
    Here..


    Firstly: Thermals.

    Secondly: Netweather? Really?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    Farooq - You may find this article of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period
    And this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene

    Canada's population has increased during the last 20,000 years or so, as the climate there warmed. Would British Columbia be better, or worse off, net, were its climate more like its neighbor to the south, Washington state? Would Ontario be better, or worse off, net, were its climate more like its neighbor to the south, New York state? And so on.

    Many Canadians think so: https://www.businessinsider.com/why-canada-secretly-loves-climate-change-2017-5

    (But if global warming is your religion (or part of it), as it is for many people, I apologize.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reading Penny's book - although I suspect it's basically ghost-written by Chris Lewis.

    It's a lot of waffle: what sort of country we are, then long-winded wax-lyricising about our challenges, with some statistics thrown in, and plenty more waffle about the statistics, but very light on solutions.

    Its main premise seems to be to abolish the House of Lords, as if that will fix everything.

    However. A Tory leader ditching the House of Lords would be interesting.
    It needs radical reform. And too much time for an incoming government to waste on it.
    If the House of Lords is replaced by an elected second chamber, it likely just leads to the legislative deadlock we see in the USA in the long run
    Most places get by with two elected chambers, but the Commons would need to think very carefully what kind of chamber it wants if it replaces the Lords.

    Given how governments dislike scrutiny, I'd suspect they'd be more in favour of unicameralism.
    Of comparable western nations to ours only the US, Australia, Japan and Italy have fully directly elected second chambers
    (Italy's is not fully elected, as you also have Senators for Life.)

    Looking at it from the other side, Denmark and Sweden are the only unicameral countries I can think of in Western Europe.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    IshmaelZ said:

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
    Why do you say that? Sound advice
    If you think its great your EMPLOYER tells you to not go for a walk then I differ in the way I would like society to operate - Its chit advice anyway - isolate yourself basically- great!
    Have you ever experienced a SERIOUS heat wave? And why assume that the EMPLOYER is giving orders, as opposed to ADVICE?

    If you wish to celebrate your personal liberty during the impending heat emergency, then throw the doors & windows open wide, go out for a long jog, and come home to enjoy the pot roast that's been cooking all day.

    Knock yourself out - perhaps literally.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    IshmaelZ said:

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
    Why do you say that? Sound advice
    If you think its great your EMPLOYER tells you to not go for a walk then I differ in the way I would like society to operate - Its chit advice anyway - isolate yourself basically- great!
    Have you ever experienced a SERIOUS heat wave? And why assume that the EMPLOYER is giving orders, as opposed to ADVICE?

    If you wish to celebrate your personal liberty during the impending heat emergency, then throw the doors & windows open wide, go out for a long jog, and come home to enjoy the pot roast that's been cooking all day.

    Knock yourself out - perhaps literally.
    This is so over the top
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    rcs1000 said:

    moonshine said:

    Penny Mordaunt followed by a 2023 election is bad news for both oppo parties. She’ll be an effective campaigner but possibly ineffective administrator. So an election during a honeymoon period hot on the heels of a major political reset = Tory majority

    I think that's right: I think she could well benefit from an end of the war in Ukraine (and therefore fuel and food prices falling), combined with a generally cheerful disposition and a vague sense of patriotism. (Plus the fact she doesn't appear to be a wingnut.)

    But.

    There's that increasingly nagging doubt that she'd be pretty rubbish at the job.

    It would make 2023/4 like 1992, and 2028/9 like 1997.
    What makes you think the war in Ukraine might end in 2023?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    There’s another vote on Monday, yes?
    Is it actually safe to hold a vote at Westminster?

    Is there not a confidence vote as well as the quarter finals of the Conservative Party World Cup? Would be funny if the government accidentally collapsed because some folk thought "fuck that, I'm staying where it's cool".
    I’m serious.
    A friend just texted the instructions from her employer:

    "buy the groceries you need, put tinfoil on your windows and close the curtains.”

    “don't even bother going for a walk. you will not only suffer but you'll let heat into the house too”
    Jesus Christ
    Why do you say that? Sound advice
    If you think its great your EMPLOYER tells you to not go for a walk then I differ in the way I would like society to operate - Its chit advice anyway - isolate yourself basically- great!
    OK you do you. Let us know how you get on.
    I am sure I will be fine in my suddenly extreme challenge of err going for a walk on Monday
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    I shall be braving 40 degree temperatures today to go to a theme park. Because I'm an idiot.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reading Penny's book - although I suspect it's basically ghost-written by Chris Lewis.

    It's a lot of waffle: what sort of country we are, then long-winded wax-lyricising about our challenges, with some statistics thrown in, and plenty more waffle about the statistics, but very light on solutions.

    Its main premise seems to be to abolish the House of Lords, as if that will fix everything.

    However. A Tory leader ditching the House of Lords would be interesting.
    It needs radical reform. And too much time for an incoming government to waste on it.
    If the House of Lords is replaced by an elected second chamber, it likely just leads to the legislative deadlock we see in the USA in the long run
    Most places get by with two elected chambers, but the Commons would need to think very carefully what kind of chamber it wants if it replaces the Lords.

    Given how governments dislike scrutiny, I'd suspect they'd be more in favour of unicameralism.
    Of comparable western nations to ours only the US, Australia, Japan and Italy have fully directly elected second chambers
    (Italy's is not fully elected, as you also have Senators for Life.)

    Looking at it from the other side, Denmark and Sweden are the only unicameral countries I can think of in Western Europe.
    Vatican City? And though not exactly European, the great Cornhusker State says "hey!"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Legislature [aka "the Unicameral"]
  • TresTres Posts: 2,696
    My sport on Tuesday has now been cancelled. Bloody nanny state etc.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,922
    edited July 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Reading Penny's book - although I suspect it's basically ghost-written by Chris Lewis.

    It's a lot of waffle: what sort of country we are, then long-winded wax-lyricising about our challenges, with some statistics thrown in, and plenty more waffle about the statistics, but very light on solutions.

    Its main premise seems to be to abolish the House of Lords, as if that will fix everything.

    However. A Tory leader ditching the House of Lords would be interesting.
    It needs radical reform. And too much time for an incoming government to waste on it.
    If the House of Lords is replaced by an elected second chamber, it likely just leads to the legislative deadlock we see in the USA in the long run
    Most places get by with two elected chambers, but the Commons would need to think very carefully what kind of chamber it wants if it replaces the Lords.

    Given how governments dislike scrutiny, I'd suspect they'd be more in favour of unicameralism.
    Of comparable western nations to ours only the US, Australia, Japan and Italy have fully directly elected second chambers
    (Italy's is not fully elected, as you also have Senators for Life.)

    Looking at it from the other side, Denmark and Sweden are the only unicameral countries I can think of in Western Europe.
    Greece, Norway, Finland and Portugal are unicameral too and of western nations outside Europe, New Zealand and Israel and South Korea are also unicameral.

    India and South Africa have non directly elected upper houses, Brazil has an elected upper house
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    Pulpstar said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going to be weirdly windy Tuesday. Normally when it's hot everything is pond still

    It's supposed to be pretty much pond still where I am. Swapsies?
    Here..


    Firstly: Thermals.

    Secondly: Netweather? Really?
    From windy.com (I like the animations - don't neg me) in my neck of the woods


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191

    Pulpstar said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Going to be weirdly windy Tuesday. Normally when it's hot everything is pond still

    It's supposed to be pretty much pond still where I am. Swapsies?
    Here..


    Firstly: Thermals.

    Secondly: Netweather? Really?
    Met office has it slightly cooler at 38 but with 33 mph gusts !
    Like a fan oven lol
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899

    HYUFD said:

    Truss is probably who Labour and the LDs least fear. However whoever wins has to perform a careful balancing act of holding the Leave backing redwall seats that won Boris his majority without losing Remain seats in the South which stayed Tory in 2019 to keep Corbyn out.

    Leadership elections though are not just about picking a candidate your opponents fear but also someone who represents your party's core convictions

    I don’t think holding together the Brexit coalition is as hard as you think now that we have actually brexited

    The Blue Remainers want a constructive and mature relationship with the EU, with a resolution to the NI protocol. That is entirely positive without bending over

    The Red Wall cares more about levelling up and not compromising on freedom of movement. That approach means we can’t have free trade because the EU is obsessive about linking freedom of movement with economics for political reasons. But it doesn’t preclude other deeper relationships
    It's contingent on economic growth.
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Janan Ganesh in the FT:

    "Earlier this month, I went out with a few journalists I hadn’t met before. Ninety or so seconds of pleasantries passed before it became a verbal tempest about our industry: who is unoriginal, who writes like a klutz, who is there on account of his old man. The chat was lacking in humility, decorum and consideration for others. I can’t wait to do it again. After the unexpected formalities of America, it was a kind of exhalation."

    https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1548326776442535936

    Giles Coren in The Times is the worst.

    I always skip over his articles.

    I have no idea how he got the job.
    Well-connected dad and a first from Oxford?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    rcs1000 said:

    I shall be braving 40 degree temperatures today to go to a theme park. Because I'm an idiot.

    The theme being "Mad dogs and Englishmen"?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    OT the World Matchplay Darts kicks off tonight.

    They're kicking the darts nowadays? It's moved on since the last time I played.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899

    OT the World Matchplay Darts kicks off tonight.

    They're kicking the darts nowadays? It's moved on since the last time I played.
    And they've made darts a summer sport, like rugby.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/16/johnson-plan-peerages-early-byelections-nadine-dorries-nigel-adams

    'Boris Johnson is threatening to set an “early test” for his successor by ensuring they have to face two early byelections as the new Tory leader, the Observer has been told.

    The prime minister is planning to elevate at least two current MPs to the House of Lords well before the next election, triggering two contests that will test public support for whoever replaces him in Downing Street.

    It is understood that he wants to hand peerages to Nigel Adams, a cabinet office minister and one of his closest allies, and culture secretary Nadine Dorries [...]'

    Good. Get Dorries well away from the her destroy-the-BBC mission.
    Peers can sit in cabinet ...
    You think Nadine gets a Cabinet seat with ANY of the final five?

    Nah....
    I hear Penny Mordaunt will make Nadine Dorries ambassador to Afghanistan.
    As Afghanistan is against women having an education, Nadine should fit in just fine.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    OT the World Matchplay Darts kicks off tonight.

    They're kicking the darts nowadays? It's moved on since the last time I played.
    And they've made darts a summer sport, like rugby.
    Do the players go shirtless or something? Like Glaswegians in the sun?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    rcs1000 said:

    I shall be braving 40 degree temperatures today to go to a theme park. Because I'm an idiot.

    Five Flags Over Pismo?

    Flags being Spain, Russia, Mexico, "California Republic", USA

    Put CR in italics, as it was essentially a PR stunt. But it DID create the Great Bear Flag which is one of the best state AND global flags flapping around.

    Also made John C. Fremont "the Pathfinder" a national celebrity, leading directly to his nomination as the first presidential candidate of then-new Republican Party in 1856.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Let’s face it, London is unbearable above 30 degrees.

    35 degrees? Unliveable.
    40 degrees? Unimaginable.

    It’s 29 degrees here in New York and too sticky to want to spend more than 15 minutes in direct sunlight.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Pulpstar said:

    You might think I've gone mad but Truss could be great for the stock market.
    You'd need a real hack in at the BoE if she was in charge though so there wasn't a run on the pound

    The quid pro quo of her position is that the BoE would have to jack up interest rates sharpish.
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