The record high temperature in the UK is 38.7°C, which was reached at Cambridge Botanic Garden on 25 July 2019
I remember that day. I took the little 'un to a play barn (baby cage) in Peterborough, and as I drove back down the A1(M) the temperate gauge in the car approached 40 degrees. Fantastically hot.
Went to a wedding in Northamptonshire. Had driven up from our seaside home in Devon. Was muttering to myself all the way !
IIRC so was Thatcher until, after her election as leader, she took elocution lessons.
It is eminently fixable with easily available training. It never fails to astonish me how bad modern politicians are at simple tradecraft like public speaking and being interviewed.
I'd argue the opposite: politicians are generally very good at public speaking and being interviewed when compared to an average Joe like myself.
Especially as interviewers often spend lots of time trying to catch out the interviewee.
First, politicians are not compared with average Joes like yourself, they are compared with other politicians.
On your second point, that interviewers try to catch out interviewees, I suspect too much of what passes for media training consists of parrying awkward questions. Gordon Brown famously took two days to tell mumsnet his favourite biscuit because it might be a trap!
Youtube has many examples of politicians from previous generations. They tend to be better than today's at these things. My advice to any aspiring politician (or job-seeker or footballer) is practice makes perfect, or at least a damn sight better than dodging the studios for years then turning up cold when it really matters.
The past was a different world. There was far less media, and far fewer interviews. A bad interview by a B-list politician in the 1980s would not have got a mention; today it is on Twitter immediately (as we saw with the slightly concocted one yesterday).
But I would agree that media training has become important than it was; I'd just disagree that ye olde politicians were 'better' at interviews and speeches. If you put them in front of the modern media, they'd probably fail just as much.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Her wiki page says "she is a supporter of homeopathy". Now, I am aware anyone can edit that, but I'd be pretty keen to take that down sharpish were I about to become PM when the vast majority of the country hasn't even heard of me. Unless she's happy with that description.
Cheap. Buy half a dozen pills of expensive drug x, dilute in a swimming pool a hundred times, and you have enough medicine for the NHS for 10 years for that particular drug. One can see the attractions to a certain mentality.
But really a homeopathic remedy (or something else you invent) is the only way to administer a placebo successfully. And we know placebos work, and in some cases are probably less harmful than a drug. So why ban their use, and reduce the options for doctors still further?
Homoeopathy is not required for placebos. As is blatantly obvious in, for instance, orthopaedic medicine where drugs are often not involved at all. So the placebo thing is not a justification for the criminal fraud that is homoeopathy.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Not that I place much store by Lord Frost’s judgment:
Wow. A devastating assessment of @PennyMordaunt from Lord Frost on @TalkTV just now. He says she simply wasn't up to the job as a minister and had to be moved on. Having worked with her closely he has "grave reservations" about her abilities. Crikey!
Did he say who he was backing? I am very interested in knowing who he's getting behind - he could be influential.
Ah, I see it's Truss. Actually it was said here yesterday that Truss would be making a serious attack on PM today, so I suppose this is it. Good person to do it via.
You kind of feel if Penny gets it the Conservatives will come across as split quite quickly? 😕 the Daily Mail would really have to change its tune quite quickly.
No, I think she'd give out the right (right) signals and get that wing of the party on board fairly easily. I'd see Penny being fairly traditional in that her cabinet will attempt to use all the available talent regardless of affiliation.
But they just don’t seem to like or trust her. 😕 you must admit that.
Plus the grumbling why did Boris have to go, if polling don’t improve.
Labour has such a golden window here. The Tories are exiting the field.
Keir Starmer couldn’t have a better chance to be the change candidate and to be on the side of normal people. Get on with it
That would need him to have the faintest idea what to do about the problems we face, in particular on the economy. And to have the nerve to take a few risks in addressing them. So it won't happen.
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes Liz restates that she would reverse NII hike and cancel the corporation tax hike on day one. Made possible by slowing repayment of the COVID era debt.
And how does that solve the real issues people are currently facing - it only helps those who earn £50,000+
Truss really isn't suitable to be PM if that's her solution to the cost of living crisis.
From a technical point of view, is it possible to slow the repayment of Covid era debt without effectively defaulting?
I suspect you take everything falling due and instead of refinancing on a 2 year basis you do it over x years.
Of course anything you save in repayment costs will be lost by higher borrowing costs due to paying interest for 10 years rather than 2
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
What’s the right thing to have for dinner if it’s +30 for days in a row? 😓
So, which of the remaining candidates is going to take the risk of a proper interview over the weekend? An Andrew Neil, Stephen Sackur, or even an Emma Barnett.
It would be good to hear them talk to the general audience, rather than exclusively to their fellow Tory MPs - and most of them have one or two difficult questions that need to be asked.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
You say "vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion", I say common sense and good business practice.
Of course, if equality and inclusion is not your thing...
I’ve long thought we should pick MPs by lottery the same way we do jury duty. Our government is over represented by people who feel themselves born to rule or that are captured by special interests.
If the fickle finger of fate in such a system led to someone like PM as PM, then I don’t think we’d be too upset with that. It’s just that we are conditioned to think we must be governed by a certain type.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Her wiki page says "she is a supporter of homeopathy". Now, I am aware anyone can edit that, but I'd be pretty keen to take that down sharpish were I about to become PM when the vast majority of the country hasn't even heard of me. Unless she's happy with that description.
Cheap. Buy half a dozen pills of expensive drug x, dilute in a swimming pool a hundred times, and you have enough medicine for the NHS for 10 years for that particular drug. One can see the attractions to a certain mentality.
But really a homeopathic remedy (or something else you invent) is the only way to administer a placebo successfully. And we know placebos work, and in some cases are probably less harmful than a drug. So why ban their use, and reduce the options for doctors still further?
Homoeopathy is not required for placebos. As is blatantly obvious in, for instance, orthopaedic medicine where drugs are often not involved at all. So the placebo thing is not a justification for the criminal fraud that is homoeopathy.
Clearly 'it' or something like it is required, because a parent can give a child a sugar or vitamin pill and tell them it's their medicine, but a doctor cannot do that with an adult patient. So the psychological effect is lost. See the clip!
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
A third and larger group = people who have encountered what you describe as "woke" and are totally fine with it. Eg at my kids' school - one family objected to PSHE lessons discussing race and gender and they got quoted in the Sunday Times, the Mail and the Sun. All the other families were totally fine with it meanwhile. I wonder what would happen if I called up the Sun and told them my daughter had had these lessons and found them interesting and useful? Do you think they would run that story? No, because they have an agenda and have abandoned any pretence at balanced reporting on this issue.
Part of the problem is anti-woke obsessives running round trying to find the next thing to be offended by and try to blow it out of all proportion.
IIRC about a year ago Leon, Mr Ed and Casino were telling us that footballers taking the knee and someone pushing a statue into Bristol harbour was truly the end of civilisation as we know it. They frothed on about it for days but 12 months on nobody gives a toss.
A few years ago eldest granddaughter was a supply teacher teaching PHSE around around the country. At only one school was there a complaint of any sort about what she was teaching; she remarked to me afterwards that the parents in question were not prepared to consider any view other than their own!
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
What’s the right thing to have for dinner if it’s +30 for days in a row? 😓
Anything that doesn't need cooking. I'm certainly not going to put the oven on for a roast this weekend (although Sunday is now looking comparatively moderate).
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
What’s the right thing to have for dinner if it’s +30 for days in a row? 😓
Salmorejo. Our tomatoes are ripening nicely, going to make some for Saturday.
Not that I place much store by Lord Frost’s judgment:
Wow. A devastating assessment of @PennyMordaunt from Lord Frost on @TalkTV just now. He says she simply wasn't up to the job as a minister and had to be moved on. Having worked with her closely he has "grave reservations" about her abilities. Crikey!
Did he say who he was backing? I am very interested in knowing who he's getting behind - he could be influential.
Ah, I see it's Truss. Actually it was said here yesterday that Truss would be making a serious attack on PM today, so I suppose this is it. Good person to do it via.
You kind of feel if Penny gets it the Conservatives will come across as split quite quickly? 😕 the Daily Mail would really have to change its tune quite quickly.
No, I think she'd give out the right (right) signals and get that wing of the party on board fairly easily. I'd see Penny being fairly traditional in that her cabinet will attempt to use all the available talent regardless of affiliation.
But they just don’t seem to like or trust her. 😕 you must admit that.
Plus the grumbling why did Boris have to go, if polling don’t improve.
This is a vastly truncated election campaign. Candidates who are struggling are going to make attacks and pull tricks. I wouldn't worry too much about it. Boris survived as PM, with arguably a very talentless cabinet, and was only ejected because of extra-curricular activities and errors of judgement. Nobody trusted Thatcher the milk snatcher either.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
So, including rainbows in corporate logos is what people mean when they complain about "woke"?
I mean, I find it slightly off - as are other efforts at corporate branding. But it's hardly a threat to civilization, and certainly far less annoying (to me) than all the businesses putting out Christmas-themed crap for months before Christmas. Or trying to associate themselves with football when the world cup is on etc etc.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
It was just one comment he made, among millions?
There was the story about the review of homeopathy studies. Though that may have just been done to keep the requestor happy - easier to get some flunkies to assess them than to simply tell the guy he's a nutter and to go away.
Edit: Or is that whooshing noise I hear a homeopathy joke passing me by? If so, then even if massively diluted in his public statements, it would still be highly effective, no?
TBF astrology used to be on the Oxford MD degree syllabus. Admittedly rather a long time ago.
There's still this: Cultural Astronomy and Astrology at University of Wales, Trinity Saint David. Although how long Trinity Saint Davids will be there to offer it is a different question!
Cultural Astronomy and Astrology (MA) is a unique course that deals with the ways in which human beings attribute meaning to the planets, stars and sky, and construct cosmologies that provide the basis for culture and society. https://www.uwtsd.ac.uk/ma-cultural-astronomy-astrology/
The good news is you can take the course online from a different bar every night, gathering data from local sooths for your MA thesis.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
It was just one comment he made, among millions?
There was the story about the review of homeopathy studies. Though that may have just been done to keep the requestor happy - easier to get some flunkies to assess them than to simply tell the guy he's a nutter and to go away.
Edit: Or is that whooshing noise I hear a homeopathy joke passing me by? If so, then even if massively diluted in his public statements, it would still be highly effective, no?
TBF astrology used to be on the Oxford MD degree syllabus. Admittedly rather a long time ago.
There's still this: Cultural Astronomy and Astrology at University of Wales, Trinity Saint David. Although how long Trinity Saint Davids will be there to offer it is a different question!
Hmm, seems to be a historical and sociological course - Stonehenge orientations, the culture of brownricer crystal fans at Glastonbury/Totnes, etc., rather than a DIY one. But I imagine knowing how to cast a horoscope is pretty necessary, so I wonder what the mix of students is like!
My thoughts exactly! And given it is conducted up in the Welsh mountains……
Mordaunt holds the best chance for the CP at the next election and this is her main plus point. However, I think she has a taste for the eye-catching - she has had to row back from the defining a women stuff and now we have the homeopathy stuff. If I were a CP member I would have doubts about her.
I think the homeopathy stuff is vanishingly small in importance, and will just be used as mud.
It's well over a decade ago, so I'd suggest all it will need is a clarification.
I'm more inclined to concern about her ability to run an administration - as for other candidates - and I wonder if, in the style of Boris, the next administration will need a majordomo.
Had to Google majordomo. I thought it was to do with the S+M rumours.
(Redfield & Wilton Strategies publishes polls of 37 constituencies won by the Conservatives in 2019 that had been held by Labour in 2010, 2015 and 2017; as well as Burnley, Redcar and Vale of Clwyd.)
UK GE 2019 result in these seats: Con 46.7% Lab 38.0% Ref 6.5% LD 4.5% Grn 1.4% PC 1.2% oth 1.7%
Not looking good. I can't see much on the table to get these Labour turned Tory turned Labour to go Tory again.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Her wiki page says "she is a supporter of homeopathy". Now, I am aware anyone can edit that, but I'd be pretty keen to take that down sharpish were I about to become PM when the vast majority of the country hasn't even heard of me. Unless she's happy with that description.
Cheap. Buy half a dozen pills of expensive drug x, dilute in a swimming pool a hundred times, and you have enough medicine for the NHS for 10 years for that particular drug. One can see the attractions to a certain mentality.
But really a homeopathic remedy (or something else you invent) is the only way to administer a placebo successfully. And we know placebos work, and in some cases are probably less harmful than a drug. So why ban their use, and reduce the options for doctors still further?
I've had a few arguments with zealous users of homeopathic remedies (and the zeal is religious). When I describe to them the process of making such remedies, and point out that there is no active ingredient in the pills, so they are nothing more than a placebo, they always angrily reply
"But the placebo effect is really powerful"
At that point I realise I've both won AND lost the argument
Paul Erickson, the Australian Labor Party's National Secretary, led a virtual briefing with UK shadow ministers on how his party won Australia's general election in May.
Erickson explained how Albanese focused on the economy, and refused to get caught up in "culture war" debates, in order to defeat Morrison's conservative coalition.
So, which of the remaining candidates is going to take the risk of a proper interview over the weekend? An Andrew Neil, Stephen Sackur, or even an Emma Barnett.
It would be good to hear them talk to the general audience, rather than exclusively to their fellow Tory MPs - and most of them have one or two difficult questions that need to be asked.
Anyone heading for Andrew Neil is going to end up destroying their attempt. Bozo's best idea of the 2019 was to avoid that interview at all costs.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
Jeez. There's a 44°C on the coast there. That heat with our humidity and a sea breeze? Come to Northumberland. There's a 23 over us.
Going on a half day boat trip tomorrow in the Firth of Forth - 20 degrees, almost flat calm, fairly cloudy. Where's this heatwave you're all getting worked up about?
A Penny Mordaunt led Conservative party would be a gift for Labour. There are many women who will vote Tory for the first time in their lives, some holding their noses, in order to save women's rights from gender identity ideology but they will not vote for Mordaunt.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
If that is the sum total of the WOKE DANGER then who cares? It is a largely pointless exercise in virtue signalling. So a company decides to participate in Pride - where is the threat?
Lets be entirely honest about this - these companies virtue signal a lot of things. Its not that they are asleep for most of the year and only do Pride. So "EUGH THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR LOGO STOP IT" is only attacking the LGBT cause because we don't here anything in protest when they support women or BAME or the environment etc.
Repression of us sexual deviants is still popular apparently. Which is precisely why we need Pride and companies showing their support for it. You guys create the WOKE THREAT you complain of.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Is it likely? No. It is possible? No.
So @Benpointer knows more than the most sophisticated weather models like GFS, ECM etc (which all form the basis of met office forecasts)
43C across central England. Breaking the record by 5 degrees. Like a Bob Beamon jump in climate
This is - if it happens - our version of the Canadian Heat dome
Bloody petulant Europeans. Throwing a strop because they lost Brexit by sending their unwanted hot air over Albion. Invading our air, ignoring our sovereignty.
Braverman has a plan though! Too many fit and healthy workshy scummers in the north. So put them to work treading up and down on giant bellows pointing south. That way we make working class scummers do a day's work for a change, keep the decent people of the south warm *and* deportthe EU hot air back where it belongs.
As if the Tory Party leadership contest isn't generating enough hot air already.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
Jeez. There's a 44°C on the coast there. That heat with our humidity and a sea breeze? Come to Northumberland. There's a 23 over us.
Going on a half day boat trip tomorrow in the Firth of Forth - 20 degrees, almost flat calm, fairly cloudy. Where's this heatwave you're all getting worked up about?
I’m spectacularly fed up with the weather being 19 degrees and humid. It’s like being in a shower room all the time. That said, better that than 45 degrees.
So, which of the remaining candidates is going to take the risk of a proper interview over the weekend? An Andrew Neil, Stephen Sackur, or even an Emma Barnett.
It would be good to hear them talk to the general audience, rather than exclusively to their fellow Tory MPs - and most of them have one or two difficult questions that need to be asked.
Anyone heading for Andrew Neil is going to end up destroying their attempt. Bozo's best idea of the 2019 was to avoid that interview at all costs.
Of course there’s a risk, but there’s also a reward - especially for the less well-known candidates.
I’m not a member, but if I was I’d give a serious look at anyone prepared to sit with Neil for half an hour.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Is it likely? No. It is possible? No.
So @Benpointer knows more than the most sophisticated weather models like GFS, ECM etc (which all form the basis of met office forecasts)
Mordaunt holds the best chance for the CP at the next election and this is her main plus point. However, I think she has a taste for the eye-catching - she has had to row back from the defining a women stuff and now we have the homeopathy stuff. If I were a CP member I would have doubts about her.
I think the homeopathy stuff is vanishingly small in importance, and will just be used as mud.
It's well over a decade ago, so I'd suggest all it will need is a clarification.
I'm more inclined to concern about her ability to run an administration - as for other candidates - and I wonder if, in the style of Boris, the next administration will need a majordomo.
At least supporting homeopathy (is there any evidence that she does apart from the 2010 EDM?) will give her a talking point with the new King!
Paul Erickson, the Australian Labor Party's National Secretary, led a virtual briefing with UK shadow ministers on how his party won Australia's general election in May.
Erickson explained how Albanese focused on the economy, and refused to get caught up in "culture war" debates, in order to defeat Morrison's conservative coalition.
+1 - get stock answers to the questions you need to answer and then return the interview back to the cost of living crisis.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
What’s the right thing to have for dinner if it’s +30 for days in a row? 😓
Fish and chips. Queues might be shorter than usual.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
What’s the right thing to have for dinner if it’s +30 for days in a row? 😓
The more I see of Truss the more extraordinary I find it that she is considered a “big beast” in today’s Tory Party. But maybe that says less about her and more about today’s Tory Party. https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1547516032323043328
So, which of the remaining candidates is going to take the risk of a proper interview over the weekend? An Andrew Neil, Stephen Sackur, or even an Emma Barnett.
It would be good to hear them talk to the general audience, rather than exclusively to their fellow Tory MPs - and most of them have one or two difficult questions that need to be asked.
Anyone heading for Andrew Neil is going to end up destroying their attempt. Bozo's best idea of the 2019 was to avoid that interview at all costs.
Of course there’s a risk, but there’s also a reward - especially for the less well-known candidates.
I’m not a member, but if I was I’d give a serious look at anyone prepared to sit with Neil for half an hour.
Problem is this isn't the 1980s with Robin Day doing in-depth interviews. You could answer 27 Andrew Neil questions perfectly but if you screw 1 up - that 1 inaccurate answer will be all over social media in seconds and amplified for days..
Regarding @MrEd etc’s views that Penny’s wokeism will revolt the membership, there was a poll earlier in the week that showed this to be likely untrue. That it revolts ageing rightwing Trumptons on PB is another matter entirely.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Is it likely? No. It is possible? No.
So @Benpointer knows more than the most sophisticated weather models like GFS, ECM etc (which all form the basis of met office forecasts)
I accurately predict that if anyone is going to be a harbinger of doom it will be @Leon
By the way @Leon, @Benpointer does not need to be an expert to know that weather forecasting is generally accurate to 48 hours max in UK, though this becomes easier in periods of dominant high pressure. I can also say with 100% accuracy that you are not a scientist.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Is it likely? No. It is possible? No.
So @Benpointer knows more than the most sophisticated weather models like GFS, ECM etc (which all form the basis of met office forecasts)
Dear oh dear, if they form the basis of Met Office forecasts why are the Met Office forcecasting a UK maximum of 38°C?
From the met office teams interviewed about it, 40+ is the outer edge of the confidence interval, with 38 being the central estimate. That’s still alarming, and the forecaster pointed out that they’ve never had 40 degrees plus in their CI before.
So, which of the remaining candidates is going to take the risk of a proper interview over the weekend? An Andrew Neil, Stephen Sackur, or even an Emma Barnett.
It would be good to hear them talk to the general audience, rather than exclusively to their fellow Tory MPs - and most of them have one or two difficult questions that need to be asked.
Anyone heading for Andrew Neil is going to end up destroying their attempt. Bozo's best idea of the 2019 was to avoid that interview at all costs.
Of course there’s a risk, but there’s also a reward - especially for the less well-known candidates.
I’m not a member, but if I was I’d give a serious look at anyone prepared to sit with Neil for half an hour.
Problem is this isn't the 1980s with Robin Day doing in-depth interviews. You could answer 27 Andrew Neil questions perfectly but if you screw 1 up - that 1 inaccurate answer will be all over social media in seconds and amplified for days..
Even worse it is clipped such that it is taken out of context and then spread.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
If that is the sum total of the WOKE DANGER then who cares? It is a largely pointless exercise in virtue signalling. So a company decides to participate in Pride - where is the threat?
Lets be entirely honest about this - these companies virtue signal a lot of things. Its not that they are asleep for most of the year and only do Pride. So "EUGH THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR LOGO STOP IT" is only attacking the LGBT cause because we don't here anything in protest when they support women or BAME or the environment etc.
Repression of us sexual deviants is still popular apparently. Which is precisely why we need Pride and companies showing their support for it. You guys create the WOKE THREAT you complain of.
No, that's just the tip of the iceberg. My point was specifically that I can't understand how anyone hasn't noticed it, because of the lengths companies go to to make it as visible as possible - the reason being that they don't actually care about any of it, they just really don't want to be on the end of a Twitter dogpile because they aren't participating.
Edit: and I singled out Pride month because it just happened (so the poster would be more likely to remember seeing signs of it) - not because it's any "better"/"worse" than other forms of virtue signalling.
I'm not entirely convinced by Penny, on the one hand she's clearly switched on and a relatively good communicator. However, I don't know what she stands for, definitely feels like a blank sheet of paper onto which the great and powerful in the party are projecting their own image of what they want the next leader to be.
The reason I'm in favour of Kemi is because we have got one chance to beat Starmer in 2024 and it's going to need someone who actually stands for something and gives people something to vote in favour of to actually win. Penny doesn't do that, she's going to present the voters with that blank sheet of paper and try to win on a battle personalities, but at the same time as being in recession, being the Tory party which is now a big net drag after Boris and against Starmer who has got enough name recognition at this point to make a go of it and come out on top.
Penny, to me, seems like the "manager decline" choice for that Tories, admitting that we've got no policies or nothing positive to deliver to the nation. Kemi comes in with ideas that can turn into serious policies and give voters something vote in favour of.
It's definitely a riskier strategy but ultimately the Tory party needs to stand for something other than pretending to be second coming of Mrs Thatcher as Liz and Penny are attempting to project.
I don't know what Kemi's personality is like at all or if she has any real charisma but for me the fact that she's got ideas is winning. None of the other candidates seem to know what they want to do with the job other than occupy No. 10 for just under two years before being booted out by a Labour/SNP/LD coalition. It will be Boris but a bit more competent, or at least fewer scandals. The MPs must get Kemi onto the members ballot so she can get out there on the national stage and pitch her policy based vision against the bland managed declinism coming from whoever the other candidate is.
I think if she gets that chance it will be Dave vs Davis again, the favourite will find themselves pitching a nothing platform against a positive vision of the nation backed by ideas that make sense to ordinary people and she'll take the win.
The more I see of Truss the more extraordinary I find it that she is considered a “big beast” in today’s Tory Party. But maybe that says less about her and more about today’s Tory Party. https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1547516032323043328
I have just come back from town and seen her for the first time in this campaign and she was terrible and uninspiring
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Is it likely? No. It is possible? No.
So @Benpointer knows more than the most sophisticated weather models like GFS, ECM etc (which all form the basis of met office forecasts)
Dear oh dear, if they form the basis of Met Office forecasts why are the Met Office forcecasting a UK maximum of 38°C?
Indeed. Because single model runs / permutations are NOT forecasts. They are raw output from a computer of which there will be dozens more before Tuesday!
I'd say there's a 35-40% chance that Badenoch overtakes Truss in this round. If she doesn't, then I'd expect her to do so in the next round because Braverman votes will go disproportionately to Kemi.
Steve Baker will back her over Truss, for example, and Truss might even stall or shed votes.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
My daughters have both gone state, private, state and have experience of six schools between them. I've noticed a few times that they come our with some outlandish stuff which I gently challenge by engaging them with facts and logic - and on enquiry the bullshit they are sometimes fed comes via social media not their schools as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm being naive.
Kids get most of their news and political philosophy from Tiktok. The schools are a moderating influence and seem to encourage kids to think critically about what they encounter on social media. My primary age daughter watches Newsround at school and learns a lot from it. Since she doesn't have a phone she is by far the best informed of our three children.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
What’s the right thing to have for dinner if it’s +30 for days in a row? 😓
It’s funny how we were happy to stick rainbows on everything and clap for carers. Didn’t hear any complaints about that from the anti woke brigade
Actually, I did. I didn't mind one clap but then as @Dura_Ace said (who I rarely agree with) it all became a bit Juche. I have also criticised OTT poppy fascism.
Woke is a function of disproportionately and dogma, not absolutes.
We should be good at that in this country. We are not Americans.
I'm not entirely convinced by Penny, on the one hand she's clearly switched on and a relatively good communicator. However, I don't know what she stands for, definitely feels like a blank sheet of paper onto which the great and powerful in the party are projecting their own image of what they want the next leader to be.
The reason I'm in favour of Kemi is because we have got one chance to beat Starmer in 2024 and it's going to need someone who actually stands for something and gives people something to vote in favour of to actually win. Penny doesn't do that, she's going to present the voters with that blank sheet of paper and try to win on a battle personalities, but at the same time as being in recession, being the Tory party which is now a big net drag after Boris and against Starmer who has got enough name recognition at this point to make a go of it and come out on top.
Penny, to me, seems like the "manager decline" choice for that Tories, admitting that we've got no policies or nothing positive to deliver to the nation. Kemi comes in with ideas that can turn into serious policies and give voters something vote in favour of.
It's definitely a riskier strategy but ultimately the Tory party needs to stand for something other than pretending to be second coming of Mrs Thatcher as Liz and Penny are attempting to project.
I don't know what Kemi's personality is like at all or if she has any real charisma but for me the fact that she's got ideas is winning. None of the other candidates seem to know what they want to do with the job other than occupy No. 10 for just under two years before being booted out by a Labour/SNP/LD coalition. It will be Boris but a bit more competent, or at least fewer scandals. The MPs must get Kemi onto the members ballot so she can get out there on the national stage and pitch her policy based vision against the bland managed declinism coming from whoever the other candidate is.
I think if she gets that chance it will be Dave vs Davis again, the favourite will find themselves pitching a nothing platform against a positive vision of the nation backed by ideas that make sense to ordinary people and she'll take the win.
Kemi or Penny would be fine for me.
I get the impression Kemi would be quite radical in government and so I suspect she'd do better launching her leadership from Opposition to a Labour government but I could be completely wrong about that.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
I didn't say it @Leon did and I agree with you. I was quoting him.
His statements were contradictory. He states it is rampant, but then states all of us who don't believe it is a problem generally haven't encountered it. I pointed out that we have encountered it (as you have pointed out) and for most of us it is mildly annoying and we move on. There will be times when this is not true and it causes real issues, as has always been the case with political correctness.
It really annoys me, but I don't rant on and on about it day after day.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
My daughters have both gone state, private, state and have experience of six schools between them. I've noticed a few times that they come our with some outlandish stuff which I gently challenge by engaging them with facts and logic - and on enquiry the bullshit they are sometimes fed comes via social media not their schools as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm being naive.
Kids get most of their news and political philosophy from Tiktok. The schools are a moderating influence and seem to encourage kids to think critically about what they encounter on social media. My primary age daughter watches Newsround at school and learns a lot from it. Since she doesn't have a phone she is by far the best informed of our three children.
My son watches Newsround a few days a week in class. He often comes home with little snippets he has learnt from it, asking questions etc. Last night it was: "Can I stay up to see the Buck moon?" I'd no idea there was one...
It’s funny how we were happy to stick rainbows on everything and clap for carers. Didn’t hear any complaints about that from the anti woke brigade
I thought clapping for carers was fucking stupid. I refused.
I found it rather embarrassing and didn't participate. The free goodies donated at work were nice though, particularly the handcreams. All that alcohol rub destroys skin.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
No I don’t. These predictions are now in the more-reliable time frame. Less than 7 days
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Is it likely? No. It is possible? No.
It's certainly possible. The heatwave over Canada last year broke existing records by a stupendous margin. The Met Office regard an observed temperature within 2C of the forecast temperature at T+24 to be a successful forecast, so there's considerable forecast uncertainty.
Though the GFS model is only the third best model, after ECMWF and the Met Office, and all centres run large ensembles now, so it's possible to find an outlier. I haven't been able to find an ECMWF EPS meteogram that shows the ensemble spread with a temperature above 40C though, so I'd currently say it's pretty unlikely. But it will happen eventually the way things are going, and it could be this time.
I'm not entirely convinced by Penny, on the one hand she's clearly switched on and a relatively good communicator. However, I don't know what she stands for, definitely feels like a blank sheet of paper onto which the great and powerful in the party are projecting their own image of what they want the next leader to be.
The reason I'm in favour of Kemi is because we have got one chance to beat Starmer in 2024 and it's going to need someone who actually stands for something and gives people something to vote in favour of to actually win. Penny doesn't do that, she's going to present the voters with that blank sheet of paper and try to win on a battle personalities, but at the same time as being in recession, being the Tory party which is now a big net drag after Boris and against Starmer who has got enough name recognition at this point to make a go of it and come out on top.
Penny, to me, seems like the "manager decline" choice for that Tories, admitting that we've got no policies or nothing positive to deliver to the nation. Kemi comes in with ideas that can turn into serious policies and give voters something vote in favour of.
It's definitely a riskier strategy but ultimately the Tory party needs to stand for something other than pretending to be second coming of Mrs Thatcher as Liz and Penny are attempting to project.
I don't know what Kemi's personality is like at all or if she has any real charisma but for me the fact that she's got ideas is winning. None of the other candidates seem to know what they want to do with the job other than occupy No. 10 for just under two years before being booted out by a Labour/SNP/LD coalition. It will be Boris but a bit more competent, or at least fewer scandals. The MPs must get Kemi onto the members ballot so she can get out there on the national stage and pitch her policy based vision against the bland managed declinism coming from whoever the other candidate is.
I think if she gets that chance it will be Dave vs Davis again, the favourite will find themselves pitching a nothing platform against a positive vision of the nation backed by ideas that make sense to ordinary people and she'll take the win.
A positive platform will always win over a nothing or attack platform. See for example Leave vs Remain where Leave promised a brighter future (albeit a pack of unicorn dreams) and Remain offered nothing but more of the same.
More of the same isn't going to work here even though the typical Tory member is old...
The more I see of Truss the more extraordinary I find it that she is considered a “big beast” in today’s Tory Party. But maybe that says less about her and more about today’s Tory Party. https://twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1547516032323043328
Boris Johnson filled his cabinet with pigmies, and I am not just referring to Rishi Sunak.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
If that is the sum total of the WOKE DANGER then who cares? It is a largely pointless exercise in virtue signalling. So a company decides to participate in Pride - where is the threat?
Lets be entirely honest about this - these companies virtue signal a lot of things. Its not that they are asleep for most of the year and only do Pride. So "EUGH THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR LOGO STOP IT" is only attacking the LGBT cause because we don't here anything in protest when they support women or BAME or the environment etc.
Repression of us sexual deviants is still popular apparently. Which is precisely why we need Pride and companies showing their support for it. You guys create the WOKE THREAT you complain of.
No, that's just the tip of the iceberg. My point was specifically that I can't understand how anyone hasn't noticed it, because of the lengths companies go to to make it as visible as possible - the reason being that they don't actually care about any of it, they just really don't want to be on the end of a Twitter dogpile because they aren't participating.
To go back a few comments I have kids aged 10 and 14. In two separate schools. And I can't say I have noticed that Woke is "running rampant" in their schools.
For me - as a Bisexual man who only had the confidence to come out aged 40 - I don't look at companies changing their logos for a rainbow one as anything at all. Pride (happily) has become a mainstream part of our society. As has the push for female equality in pay and conditions, teaching kids about respecting each other and all of the other horrors that make some people shriek in fear.
I do understand. Societal change always provokes a minority who don't like it. Woke is just the latest threat, as the permissive society or women having the vote or the abolition of slavery was. You dislike the modernisation of the way people treat people with more humanity so it gets labelled - woke.
And just as Alf Garnett sat in London there ranting about all the things he didn't agree with changing, so Leon sits somewhere abroad doing the same. Different times, different issues to be unhappy about, same psychology.
Its fine. The woke-worriers will either get on board or they won't. Societal change is happening whether they do or don't.
Not that I place much store by Lord Frost’s judgment:
Wow. A devastating assessment of @PennyMordaunt from Lord Frost on @TalkTV just now. He says she simply wasn't up to the job as a minister and had to be moved on. Having worked with her closely he has "grave reservations" about her abilities. Crikey!
The views of a spectacular mediocrity who failed utterly at the only seriously important job he was ever given should not matter very much at all. The problem is that in the Conservative party they do.
Mourdant is an empty vessel into which Tories seem to be projecting all their hopes and dreams. She is apparently supposed to have charisma, but it appears to be an acquired or specialist taste.
It's really quite weird to watch.
Well, they could vote for Kemi instead, another empty vessel into which Tories seem to be projecting all their hopes and dreams. It makes a change from Sunak, who used to be the empty vessel Tories projected their hopes and dreams into…
I'm reminded of Ruth Davidson, who was elected in large part for not having the very definite policy position (indy for Scons) of her main opponent, Murdo Fraser, as well as for having a certain overall persona. Though Ms Mordaunt doesn't seem to have the experience of fronting things that LAdy Davidson then had as a news presenter, and of which she made great use.
Sad lack of mounting farm animals thus far, but who knows what they get up to in their spare time.
It’s funny how we were happy to stick rainbows on everything and clap for carers. Didn’t hear any complaints about that from the anti woke brigade
I thought clapping for carers was fucking stupid. I refused.
I did it the first time. Seeing lots of people at their front doors was the most people I had seen in a while. Then realised we all looked like idiots and stopped.
I was reasonably impressed with Tom Tugemhadt’s R4 interview today. He seemed to have a much better grasp on the complexities of energy, environmental and national security than the others and actually made a case for tax cutting beyond “because it’s Conservative”. HY is right I’m afraid, he might be your best PM you never had.
Betting post: is Rishi heading towards value at 4.4?
Let’s say he makes the final. Penny has fully five weeks in front of the TV cameras to implode. That’s not inconceivable- it would be fairly easy to see her coming unstuck on matters of fiscal policy, for example.
And I write this as one who wants her to win.
Or is there time for an outbreak of caution and value with the Hat at 50/1?
Real examples of broken Britain. Nothing to do with woke, but incompetent, officious, greedy and to be frank, inhuman treatment of our fellow citizens.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
If that is the sum total of the WOKE DANGER then who cares? It is a largely pointless exercise in virtue signalling. So a company decides to participate in Pride - where is the threat?
Lets be entirely honest about this - these companies virtue signal a lot of things. Its not that they are asleep for most of the year and only do Pride. So "EUGH THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR LOGO STOP IT" is only attacking the LGBT cause because we don't here anything in protest when they support women or BAME or the environment etc.
Repression of us sexual deviants is still popular apparently. Which is precisely why we need Pride and companies showing their support for it. You guys create the WOKE THREAT you complain of.
No, that's just the tip of the iceberg. My point was specifically that I can't understand how anyone hasn't noticed it, because of the lengths companies go to to make it as visible as possible - the reason being that they don't actually care about any of it, they just really don't want to be on the end of a Twitter dogpile because they aren't participating.
To go back a few comments I have kids aged 10 and 14. In two separate schools. And I can't say I have noticed that Woke is "running rampant" in their schools.
For me - as a Bisexual man who only had the confidence to come out aged 40 - I don't look at companies changing their logos for a rainbow one as anything at all. Pride (happily) has become a mainstream part of our society. As has the push for female equality in pay and conditions, teaching kids about respecting each other and all of the other horrors that make some people shriek in fear.
I do understand. Societal change always provokes a minority who don't like it. Woke is just the latest threat, as the permissive society or women having the vote or the abolition of slavery was. You dislike the modernisation of the way people treat people with more humanity so it gets labelled - woke.
And just as Alf Garnett sat in London there ranting about all the things he didn't agree with changing, so Leon sits somewhere abroad doing the same. Different times, different issues to be unhappy about, same psychology.
Its fine. The woke-worriers will either get on board or they won't. Societal change is happening whether they do or don't.
Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
If that is the sum total of the WOKE DANGER then who cares? It is a largely pointless exercise in virtue signalling. So a company decides to participate in Pride - where is the threat?
Lets be entirely honest about this - these companies virtue signal a lot of things. Its not that they are asleep for most of the year and only do Pride. So "EUGH THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR LOGO STOP IT" is only attacking the LGBT cause because we don't here anything in protest when they support women or BAME or the environment etc.
Repression of us sexual deviants is still popular apparently. Which is precisely why we need Pride and companies showing their support for it. You guys create the WOKE THREAT you complain of.
No, that's just the tip of the iceberg. My point was specifically that I can't understand how anyone hasn't noticed it, because of the lengths companies go to to make it as visible as possible - the reason being that they don't actually care about any of it, they just really don't want to be on the end of a Twitter dogpile because they aren't participating.
Edit: and I singled out Pride month because it just happened (so the poster would be more likely to remember seeing signs of it) - not because it's any "better"/"worse" than other forms of virtue signalling.
You need to take that up with @leon. He was the one who said it. He rather shot down his own argument.
It’s funny how we were happy to stick rainbows on everything and clap for carers. Didn’t hear any complaints about that from the anti woke brigade
I thought clapping for carers was fucking stupid. I refused.
I did it the first time. Seeing lots of people at their front doors was the most people I had seen in a while. Then realised we all looked like idiots and stopped.
We did it for a while but only because it allowed us to have the same sort of meet all the neighbours chats we get when there is a car accident on our street (about once a year)
No we don't deliberately create them but there is a crossroads where priority isn't clear if you don't know it...
It’s funny how we were happy to stick rainbows on everything and clap for carers. Didn’t hear any complaints about that from the anti woke brigade
Actually, I did. I didn't mind one clap but then as @Dura_Ace said (who I rarely agree with) it all became a bit Juche. I have also criticised OTT poppy fascism.
Woke is a function of disproportionately and dogma, not absolutes.
We should be good at that in this country. We are not Americans.
A Kemi/Penny showdown in the final two is possible then?
I can’t see the Tory membership changing their mind over Mordaunt regardless of her alleged woke friendly attitude .
Sunak seems to have annoyed sufficient members to have zip chance of winning so effectively it’s game over .
I don't get the hate for PM. She is a bit old school Tory. Brexit before it was fashionable, pro-military, patriotic, pro-business and free markets and pragmatic rather than doctrinaire on social issues.
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But I would agree that media training has become important than it was; I'd just disagree that ye olde politicians were 'better' at interviews and speeches. If you put them in front of the modern media, they'd probably fail just as much.
Is it likely? No. It is possible? Unfortunately yes
Plus the grumbling why did Boris have to go, if polling don’t improve.
Of course anything you save in repayment costs will be lost by higher borrowing costs due to paying interest for 10 years rather than 2
It would be good to hear them talk to the general audience, rather than exclusively to their fellow Tory MPs - and most of them have one or two difficult questions that need to be asked.
Of course, if equality and inclusion is not your thing...
Right now the Tories are copying the losing strategy of the Australian Liberals.
If the fickle finger of fate in such a system led to someone like PM as PM, then I don’t think we’d be too upset with that. It’s just that we are conditioned to think we must be governed by a certain type.
That’s the sort of reason I, and so many other people on the right, am so massively behind her. That’s exactly what the Tories need to save them.
UK is just as awash with terrible stuff that is simply brewed under licence and cost engineered away from orginal recipe by a Heineken or InBev.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/05/jose-pizarro-andalucia-spain-recipes
I mean, I find it slightly off - as are other efforts at corporate branding. But it's hardly a threat to civilization, and certainly far less annoying (to me) than all the businesses putting out Christmas-themed crap for months before Christmas. Or trying to associate themselves with football when the world cup is on etc etc.
https://www.uwtsd.ac.uk/ma-cultural-astronomy-astrology/
The good news is you can take the course online from a different bar every night, gathering data from local sooths for your MA thesis.
I thought it was to do with the S+M rumours.
I have picked a good week for my week off though. Delightful on the Isle of Wight, though sitting in the shade needed midday.
"But the placebo effect is really powerful"
At that point I realise I've both won AND lost the argument
Erickson explained how Albanese focused on the economy, and refused to get caught up in "culture war" debates, in order to defeat Morrison's conservative coalition.
A Penny Mordaunt led Conservative party would be a gift for Labour. There are many women who will vote Tory for the first time in their lives, some holding their noses, in order to save women's rights from gender identity ideology but they will not vote for Mordaunt.
https://twitter.com/bluskyeallison/status/1547511375018221568
Lets be entirely honest about this - these companies virtue signal a lot of things. Its not that they are asleep for most of the year and only do Pride. So "EUGH THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR LOGO STOP IT" is only attacking the LGBT cause because we don't here anything in protest when they support women or BAME or the environment etc.
Repression of us sexual deviants is still popular apparently. Which is precisely why we need Pride and companies showing their support for it. You guys create the WOKE THREAT you complain of.
43 is so far beyond the previous records - it's not going to happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_weather_records#Top_5_hottest_days
An outside one, sure. But this is a betting site.
Who needs experts, eh? When we have @Benpointer
I’m not a member, but if I was I’d give a serious look at anyone prepared to sit with Neil for half an hour.
By the way @Leon, @Benpointer does not need to be an expert to know that weather forecasting is generally accurate to 48 hours max in UK, though this becomes easier in periods of dominant high pressure. I can also say with 100% accuracy that you are not a scientist.
Edit: and I singled out Pride month because it just happened (so the poster would be more likely to remember seeing signs of it) - not because it's any "better"/"worse" than other forms of virtue signalling.
The reason I'm in favour of Kemi is because we have got one chance to beat Starmer in 2024 and it's going to need someone who actually stands for something and gives people something to vote in favour of to actually win. Penny doesn't do that, she's going to present the voters with that blank sheet of paper and try to win on a battle personalities, but at the same time as being in recession, being the Tory party which is now a big net drag after Boris and against Starmer who has got enough name recognition at this point to make a go of it and come out on top.
Penny, to me, seems like the "manager decline" choice for that Tories, admitting that we've got no policies or nothing positive to deliver to the nation. Kemi comes in with ideas that can turn into serious policies and give voters something vote in favour of.
It's definitely a riskier strategy but ultimately the Tory party needs to stand for something other than pretending to be second coming of Mrs Thatcher as Liz and Penny are attempting to project.
I don't know what Kemi's personality is like at all or if she has any real charisma but for me the fact that she's got ideas is winning. None of the other candidates seem to know what they want to do with the job other than occupy No. 10 for just under two years before being booted out by a Labour/SNP/LD coalition. It will be Boris but a bit more competent, or at least fewer scandals. The MPs must get Kemi onto the members ballot so she can get out there on the national stage and pitch her policy based vision against the bland managed declinism coming from whoever the other candidate is.
I think if she gets that chance it will be Dave vs Davis again, the favourite will find themselves pitching a nothing platform against a positive vision of the nation backed by ideas that make sense to ordinary people and she'll take the win.
permutations are NOT forecasts. They are raw
output from a computer of which there will be dozens more before Tuesday!
As Leon knows.
Sunak: 96
Mordaunt: 79
Truss: 54
Badenoch: 51
Tugendhat: 43
Braverman: 34
Braverman goes out.
I'd say there's a 35-40% chance that Badenoch overtakes Truss in this round. If she doesn't, then I'd expect her to do so in the next round because Braverman votes will go disproportionately to Kemi.
Steve Baker will back her over Truss, for example, and Truss might even stall or shed votes.
Woke is a function of disproportionately and dogma, not absolutes.
We should be good at that in this country. We are not Americans.
I get the impression Kemi would be quite radical in government and so I suspect she'd do better launching her leadership from Opposition to a Labour government but I could be completely wrong about that.
1.89 Penny Mordaunt 53%
4.3 Rishi Sunak 23%
5.5 Liz Truss 18%
21 Kemi Badenoch 5%
70 Tom Tugendhat
240 Dominic Raab
300 Suella Braverman
His statements were contradictory. He states it is rampant, but then states all of us who don't believe it is a problem generally haven't encountered it. I pointed out that we have encountered it (as you have pointed out) and for most of us it is mildly annoying and we move on. There will be times when this is not true and it causes real issues, as has always been the case with political correctness.
It really annoys me, but I don't rant on and on about it day after day.
The actual forecast is an average of them.
I don't get what is so confusing about this.
Though the GFS model is only the third best model, after ECMWF and the Met Office, and all centres run large ensembles now, so it's possible to find an outlier. I haven't been able to find an ECMWF EPS meteogram that shows the ensemble spread with a temperature above 40C though, so I'd currently say it's pretty unlikely. But it will happen eventually the way things are going, and it could be this time.
More of the same isn't going to work here even though the typical Tory member is old...
For me - as a Bisexual man who only had the confidence to come out aged 40 - I don't look at companies changing their logos for a rainbow one as anything at all. Pride (happily) has become a mainstream part of our society. As has the push for female equality in pay and conditions, teaching kids about respecting each other and all of the other horrors that make some people shriek in fear.
I do understand. Societal change always provokes a minority who don't like it. Woke is just the latest threat, as the permissive society or women having the vote or the abolition of slavery was. You dislike the modernisation of the way people treat people with more humanity so it gets labelled - woke.
And just as Alf Garnett sat in London there ranting about all the things he didn't agree with changing, so Leon sits somewhere abroad doing the same. Different times, different issues to be unhappy about, same psychology.
Its fine. The woke-worriers will either get on board or they won't. Societal change is happening whether they do or don't.
Sunak seems to have annoyed sufficient members to have zip chance of winning so effectively it’s game over .
Students being forced out to house tourists - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-62149409
Disabled person being fined for using disabled bay at her home - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62157613
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'
No we don't deliberately create them but there is a crossroads where priority isn't clear if you don't know it...