@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Cheers. I remember you saying this before so I wasn't surprised by your reply. Rather worrying.
On the subject of primary schools (can't comment on secondary schools) I was worried about the woke thing in 2019 and sent my son to a suburban school, rather than one in the fashionable gentrifying area that I live in. This is because I could see trouble ahead with the type of parents I could see at the open days, IE the 'extinction rebellion' types. My son's school has little or no sign of anything woke or anything to do with CRT. There is no sign of any change to traditional gender orthodoxies, ie boys are boys and girls are girls. The parents for the most part seem to work in supermarkets or are builders. My calculation was perhaps this revolution will just pass us by and there will be eventually be some kind of positive reformation of the old order.
I didn't realise she was from Leeds. I will have a punt that part of her unnatural cadence comes from concealing any trace of Yorkshire in her voice.
One of my friends went to the University of Leeds in the last few years and was taught by her father, he's a very left wing Maths professor and despises the Tories.
Liz also managed to piss off the city council last night.
This is exactly the sort of western military forklift is what wins artillery heavy wars...
...& no one in Western military intelligence noticed that Russia has practiced "unilateral forklift disarmament" for 80 years, until Ukraine war tweets rubbed that fact in their faces🤦♂️👇
One of the amusing things about this is seeing 'experts' referring to telehandlers as 'forklifts'. they're very different, and the vehicle shown is most definitely a telehandler.
Experts, eh?
Otherwise known as reach forklift. The example shown is very much a forklift - just a subset of the general category.
Not really: and the difference between forklift and telehandler are really important on sites. And the military would probably want telehandlers in most circumstances given their greater flexibility.
Oh god she’s pausing for applause and none is coming.
Truss sounds as if she has not rehearsed or even seen the speech before, and that it has been badly formatted on the autocue so that she pauses in all the wrong places.
I think pausing in all the wrong places is just a standard Truss trait.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
It doesn't affect him in the slightest, since he's just tilting at windmills, and continuing to prove that travel doesn't always broaden the mind...
I told you all, it’s CoL. And the Tories are going to go the same way as Australia otherwise.
Key takeaways from this (mainly Conservative inclined group)
-terror/fury about economy, about winter to come. -short shrift for ‘culture war’ issues in that context: “what’s that got to do with me?” Sole focus cost of living -desperate to hear about policies to deal with it.
The Tory Party is completely out of touch, this feels very much like pre 2005 Howard vibes
It's an interesting read - especially the multiple comments regarding Sunak - none of Westminster had a clue about how bad things were on cost of living but he was most out of touch of all. Non-dom issue regarding his wife came up as well.
If anyone is reading this - the only tax cut that makes sense at the moment is Fuel Duty - if you cut Corporation Tax that isn't going to help people fill their car as they drive to work in November
What is staggering is why Labour has not already announced they will cut full duty
Maybe because Labour isn't in power at the moment? Who knows how things will look if/when Labour is in power.
My take, for what it's worth, is that it looks to be two of Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Kemi Badenoch to be put to the members.
And there could be attempted silly buggers by any candidate with the most MPs behind them (realistically Sunak, but may be one of the others depending on how things unfold over the next few rounds) to try to "select" the opponent. Which could blow up as ironically as it did with Portillo in 2001.
Mordaunt appears to be in pole position with the members, but taking pole doesn't guarantee a win. A bad first lap, or a blown engine (such as Andrea Leadsom in 2016) could see it all change. The danger with someone who's little known is that they can damage the image projected upon them.
I also think that the field looks poor. I would say this, I suppose, but they all strike me as lightweights or near-unknowns who have never been properly tested, and they're about to become Prime Minister during huge turmoil (cost of living crisis, post-covid with an endemic disease, Ukraine, Brexit still a running sore).
Whilst I get that Mordaunt and Badenoch are gambles, I reckon one of them will win - and will end up heavily disappointing. (How Badenoch could not disappoint at least some of those who back her when that ranges from Neil O'Brien to Toby Young looks impossible).
Which means there could be another leadership contest before the next election.
Mostly agree, but there is a slight risk that Truss makes it against Rishi, and that would be highly sub-optimal.
Even if it is imperfect, and the best chance (Hunt) has been ludicrously blown, the only chance now is someone not bigly tainted by the recent past. That excludes Braverman, Truss and Rishi. Leaving Mordaunt, Kemi and Hat as the only possible people, should a fit of common sense, moral compass and sanity break out.
However that takes no account of the madness of crowds, media, MPs and members.
PS Of those remaining on the moral compass grounds, Kemi and Hat look as if they may possibly, with luck and a fair wind, have heavyweight potential. Mordaunt not.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
Watching the Daily Mail realise they've backed the wrong horse in Liz Truss and pivot to adoration of PM4PM will be a delight and hilarious in equal measure.
Yes
Why are they so anti-Mordaunt? She’s a tiny bit Woke but not enough to produce this bile
I think it’s snobbery, pure and simple. She’s from a working class background, went to Reading, etc. Fuck the Mail
75% of the Mail’s output seems to be raging against wokeness surely (just like “political correctness gone mad” before it). If Penny really is ‘woke’ or at least has a reputation for being so (I remain to be instructed on what she has done that has been so awful and evil) then they will try to rip her to shreds. They will relish it.
and the remaining 25% is spent fawning over royalty. It's going to be fascinating to see what happens when Queen dies and it dawns on the Mail how woke Charles, William, Kate and Harry are! Somethings gotta give
I didn't realise she was from Leeds. I will have a punt that part of her unnatural cadence comes from concealing any trace of Yorkshire in her voice.
One of my friends went to the University of Leeds in the last few years and was taught by her father, he's a very left wing Maths professor and despises the Tories.
Liz also managed to piss off the city council last night.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
I’ve seen it as a writer for the Knappers Gazette. It absolutely affects journalism and publishing. Next
IIRC so was Thatcher until, after her election as leader, she took elocution lessons.
It is eminently fixable with easily available training. It never fails to astonish me how bad modern politicians are at simple tradecraft like public speaking and being interviewed.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
I’ve seen it as a writer for the Knappers Gazette. It absolutely affects journalism and publishing. Next
My take, for what it's worth, is that it looks to be two of Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Kemi Badenoch to be put to the members.
And there could be attempted silly buggers by any candidate with the most MPs behind them (realistically Sunak, but may be one of the others depending on how things unfold over the next few rounds) to try to "select" the opponent. Which could blow up as ironically as it did with Portillo in 2001.
Mordaunt appears to be in pole position with the members, but taking pole doesn't guarantee a win. A bad first lap, or a blown engine (such as Andrea Leadsom in 2016) could see it all change. The danger with someone who's little known is that they can damage the image projected upon them.
I also think that the field looks poor. I would say this, I suppose, but they all strike me as lightweights or near-unknowns who have never been properly tested, and they're about to become Prime Minister during huge turmoil (cost of living crisis, post-covid with an endemic disease, Ukraine, Brexit still a running sore).
Whilst I get that Mordaunt and Badenoch are gambles, I reckon one of them will win - and will end up heavily disappointing. (How Badenoch could not disappoint at least some of those who back her when that ranges from Neil O'Brien to Toby Young looks impossible).
Which means there could be another leadership contest before the next election.
I've had a few £ on Rishi not making the final two; since another disappointing vote this evening and those odds should come in considerably.
Given the clouds on every horizon, it is almost baked in that whoever is elected won't be able to deliver on the hopes and expectations they were forced to raise in order to win the job.
Being disappointing merely in performance terms won't lead to another leadership election, since against Starmer it simply levels the playing field. And the Tories don't have any obvious alternative successors lurking outside this field, at least so long as they stay in government.
This is exactly the sort of western military forklift is what wins artillery heavy wars...
...& no one in Western military intelligence noticed that Russia has practiced "unilateral forklift disarmament" for 80 years, until Ukraine war tweets rubbed that fact in their faces🤦♂️👇
One of the amusing things about this is seeing 'experts' referring to telehandlers as 'forklifts'. they're very different, and the vehicle shown is most definitely a telehandler.
Experts, eh?
Otherwise known as reach forklift. The example shown is very much a forklift - just a subset of the general category.
Not really: and the difference between forklift and telehandler are really important on sites. And the military would probably want telehandlers in most circumstances given their greater flexibility.
Russia can't even build its own tractors. I wouldn't fancy their chances of making an operable telehandler
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes Liz restates that she would reverse NII hike and cancel the corporation tax hike on day one. Made possible by slowing repayment of the COVID era debt.
And how does that solve the real issues people are currently facing - it only helps those who earn £50,000+
Truss really isn't suitable to be PM if that's her solution to the cost of living crisis.
Not that I place much store by Lord Frost’s judgment:
Wow. A devastating assessment of @PennyMordaunt from Lord Frost on @TalkTV just now. He says she simply wasn't up to the job as a minister and had to be moved on. Having worked with her closely he has "grave reservations" about her abilities. Crikey!
IIRC so was Thatcher until, after her election as leader, she took elocution lessons.
It is eminently fixable with easily available training. It never fails to astonish me how bad modern politicians are at simple tradecraft like public speaking and being interviewed.
I'd argue the opposite: politicians are generally very good at public speaking and being interviewed when compared to an average Joe like myself.
Especially as interviewers often spend lots of time trying to catch out the interviewee.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
IIRC so was Thatcher until, after her election as leader, she took elocution lessons.
Believe it or not I think Liz has ALREADY had elocution and public speaking lessons. Compare early speeches (cheese and pork markets for instance) to now and you will see a big change.
I know it’s incomprehensible, but we are looking at the end result!
Not that I place much store by Lord Frost’s judgment:
Wow. A devastating assessment of @PennyMordaunt from Lord Frost on @TalkTV just now. He says she simply wasn't up to the job as a minister and had to be moved on. Having worked with her closely he has "grave reservations" about her abilities. Crikey!
Did he say who he was backing? I am very interested in knowing who he's getting behind - he could be influential.
Ah, I see it's Truss. Actually it was said here yesterday that Truss would be making a serious attack on PM today, so I suppose this is it. Good person to do it via.
IIRC so was Thatcher until, after her election as leader, she took elocution lessons.
Thatcher shifted her voice down to give it more power and authority. That isn't the issue with Truss, she just isn't a good speaker and that is a lot, lot harder to fix.
He wouldn’t be a disaster. His is the only sensible platform for tackling the cost of living.
Penny and Sunak are the best two in this field. Sunak should have taken over from Boris 12 months ago, it’s been too much fantasy economics from Tory’s for too long. People like Mogg and Nad are clueless about how to run an economy.
It’s important for the Tories to perform well as possible even if it’s general election defeat, for how they are thought of on the economy and delivering Brexit leaving office is how they will be thought of in opposition and in 5 years years time. They must not write next two years off as not important by acting like an opposition party too soon!
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes Liz restates that she would reverse NII hike and cancel the corporation tax hike on day one. Made possible by slowing repayment of the COVID era debt.
And how does that solve the real issues people are currently facing - it only helps those who earn £50,000+
Truss really isn't suitable to be PM if that's her solution to the cost of living crisis.
The cost of living appears to be passing them by. There may be a potentially simple explanation for that.
He wouldn’t be a disaster. His is the only sensible platform for tackling the cost of living.
Penny and Sunak are the best two in this field. Sunak should have taken over from Boris 12 months ago, it’s been too much fantasy economics from Tory’s for too long. People like Mogg and Nad are clueless about how to run an economy.
It’s important for the Tories to perform well as possible even if it’s general election defeat, for how they are thought of on the economy and delivering Brexit leaving office is how they will be thought of in opposition and in 5 years years time. They must not write next two years off as not important by acting like an opposition party too soon!
He's been CHANCELLOR. If anyone is responsible for fantasy economics...
43C across central England. Breaking the record by 5 degrees. Like a Bob Beamon jump in climate
This is - if it happens - our version of the Canadian Heat dome
Bloody petulant Europeans. Throwing a strop because they lost Brexit by sending their unwanted hot air over Albion. Invading our air, ignoring our sovereignty.
Braverman has a plan though! Too many fit and healthy workshy scummers in the north. So put them to work treading up and down on giant bellows pointing south. That way we make working class scummers do a day's work for a change, keep the decent people of the south warm *and* deportthe EU hot air back where it belongs.
"Penny Mordaunt has had nothing coming her way in the past year, but Mordaunt's previously received £20,000 from First Corporate Consultants, a firm run by Bristol Port Company owner Terence Mordaunt (no relation)."
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
My take, for what it's worth, is that it looks to be two of Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Kemi Badenoch to be put to the members.
And there could be attempted silly buggers by any candidate with the most MPs behind them (realistically Sunak, but may be one of the others depending on how things unfold over the next few rounds) to try to "select" the opponent. Which could blow up as ironically as it did with Portillo in 2001.
Mordaunt appears to be in pole position with the members, but taking pole doesn't guarantee a win. A bad first lap, or a blown engine (such as Andrea Leadsom in 2016) could see it all change. The danger with someone who's little known is that they can damage the image projected upon them.
I also think that the field looks poor. I would say this, I suppose, but they all strike me as lightweights or near-unknowns who have never been properly tested, and they're about to become Prime Minister during huge turmoil (cost of living crisis, post-covid with an endemic disease, Ukraine, Brexit still a running sore).
Whilst I get that Mordaunt and Badenoch are gambles, I reckon one of them will win - and will end up heavily disappointing. (How Badenoch could not disappoint at least some of those who back her when that ranges from Neil O'Brien to Toby Young looks impossible).
Which means there could be another leadership contest before the next election.
I've had a few £ on Rishi not making the final two; since another disappointing vote this evening and those odds should come in considerably.
Given the clouds on every horizon, it is almost baked in that whoever is elected won't be able to deliver on the hopes and expectations they were forced to raise in order to win the job.
Being disappointing merely in performance terms won't lead to another leadership election, since against Starmer it simply levels the playing field. And the Tories don't have any obvious alternative successors lurking outside this field, at least so long as they stay in government.
A pedant writes: today's vote is earlier than yesterdays:-
Tory MPs will begin their second round of voting at 11.30am this morning and have until 1.30pm to cast their ballot.
Betting post: is Rishi heading towards value at 4.4?
Let’s say he makes the final. Penny has fully five weeks in front of the TV cameras to implode. That’s not inconceivable- it would be fairly easy to see her coming unstuck on matters of fiscal policy, for example.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
It was just one comment he made, among millions?
There was the story about the review of homeopathy studies. Though that may have just been done to keep the requestor happy - easier to get some flunkies to assess them than to simply tell the guy he's a nutter and to go away.
Edit: Or is that whooshing noise I hear a homeopathy joke passing me by? If so, then even if massively diluted in his public statements, it would still be highly effective, no?
He wouldn’t be a disaster. His is the only sensible platform for tackling the cost of living.
Penny and Sunak are the best two in this field. Sunak should have taken over from Boris 12 months ago, it’s been too much fantasy economics from Tory’s for too long. People like Mogg and Nad are clueless about how to run an economy.
It’s important for the Tories to perform well as possible even if it’s general election defeat, for how they are thought of on the economy and delivering Brexit leaving office is how they will be thought of in opposition and in 5 years years time. They must not write next two years off as not important by acting like an opposition party too soon!
Who was running the economy during Rishis spell at the treasury?
"Penny Mordaunt has had nothing coming her way in the past year, but Mordaunt's previously received £20,000 from First Corporate Consultants, a firm run by Bristol Port Company owner Terence Mordaunt (no relation)."
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Or you could read the weather websites. Mainstream models are now coughing up these predictikns. A reliable and sober forecaster on one of them just said 40C+ is now a 50% chance
Not that I place much store by Lord Frost’s judgment:
Wow. A devastating assessment of @PennyMordaunt from Lord Frost on @TalkTV just now. He says she simply wasn't up to the job as a minister and had to be moved on. Having worked with her closely he has "grave reservations" about her abilities. Crikey!
Did he say who he was backing? I am very interested in knowing who he's getting behind - he could be influential.
Ah, I see it's Truss. Actually it was said here yesterday that Truss would be making a serious attack on PM today, so I suppose this is it. Good person to do it via.
You kind of feel if Penny gets it the Conservatives will come across as split quite quickly? 😕 the Daily Mail would really have to change its tune quite quickly.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
I’ve seen it as a writer for the Knappers Gazette. It absolutely affects journalism and publishing. Next
How?
And you didn't deal with the contradiction in your statements i.e. it is rampant but the reason we don't recognise it is because we haven't come across it. Can't both be true.
We have and we brush it off in most cases as political correct nonsense.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
It was just one comment he made, among millions?
There was the story about the review of homeopathy studies. Though that may have just been done to keep the requestor happy - easier to get some flunkies to assess them than to simply tell the guy he's a nutter and to go away.
Edit: Or is that whooshing noise I hear a homeopathy joke passing me by? If so, then even if massively diluted in his public statements, it would still be highly effective, no?
TBF astrology used to be on the Oxford MD degree syllabus. Admittedly rather a long time ago.
Oh god she’s pausing for applause and none is coming.
Truss sounds as if she has not rehearsed or even seen the speech before, and that it has been badly formatted on the autocue so that she pauses in all the wrong places.
I think pausing in all the wrong places is just a standard Truss trait.
It's to stop the interviewer interrupting, I think.
Betting post: is Rishi heading towards value at 4.4?
Let’s say he makes the final. Penny has fully five weeks in front of the TV cameras to implode. That’s not inconceivable- it would be fairly easy to see her coming unstuck on matters of fiscal policy, for example.
And I write this as one who wants her to win.
Quite possible, there will as you say plenty of opportunities on a big public stage for someone to implode with a dire performance.
Who knows Sunak could be the one to implode. He strikes me as someone that gets very defensive and doesn't come across well when asked difficult questions with regards to criticism of his record as chancellor or his own financial affairs.
My take, for what it's worth, is that it looks to be two of Penny Mordaunt, Rishi Sunak, and Kemi Badenoch to be put to the members.
And there could be attempted silly buggers by any candidate with the most MPs behind them (realistically Sunak, but may be one of the others depending on how things unfold over the next few rounds) to try to "select" the opponent. Which could blow up as ironically as it did with Portillo in 2001.
Mordaunt appears to be in pole position with the members, but taking pole doesn't guarantee a win. A bad first lap, or a blown engine (such as Andrea Leadsom in 2016) could see it all change. The danger with someone who's little known is that they can damage the image projected upon them.
I also think that the field looks poor. I would say this, I suppose, but they all strike me as lightweights or near-unknowns who have never been properly tested, and they're about to become Prime Minister during huge turmoil (cost of living crisis, post-covid with an endemic disease, Ukraine, Brexit still a running sore).
Whilst I get that Mordaunt and Badenoch are gambles, I reckon one of them will win - and will end up heavily disappointing. (How Badenoch could not disappoint at least some of those who back her when that ranges from Neil O'Brien to Toby Young looks impossible).
Which means there could be another leadership contest before the next election.
Mostly agree, but there is a slight risk that Truss makes it against Rishi, and that would be highly sub-optimal.
Even if it is imperfect, and the best chance (Hunt) has been ludicrously blown, the only chance now is someone not bigly tainted by the recent past. That excludes Braverman, Truss and Rishi. Leaving Mordaunt, Kemi and Hat as the only possible people, should a fit of common sense, moral compass and sanity break out.
However that takes no account of the madness of crowds, media, MPs and members.
PS Of those remaining on the moral compass grounds, Kemi and Hat look as if they may possibly, with luck and a fair wind, have heavyweight potential. Mordaunt not.
Agree that Truss is the most likely outsider to crash the trio's party, but I think she'll need at least one, if not two of them to implode first.
He wouldn’t be a disaster. His is the only sensible platform for tackling the cost of living.
Penny and Sunak are the best two in this field. Sunak should have taken over from Boris 12 months ago, it’s been too much fantasy economics from Tory’s for too long. People like Mogg and Nad are clueless about how to run an economy.
It’s important for the Tories to perform well as possible even if it’s general election defeat, for how they are thought of on the economy and delivering Brexit leaving office is how they will be thought of in opposition and in 5 years years time. They must not write next two years off as not important by acting like an opposition party too soon!
Who was running the economy during Rishis spell at the treasury?
At the start it was Dominic Cummings. Not sure if he was ever replaced.
Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes Liz restates that she would reverse NII hike and cancel the corporation tax hike on day one. Made possible by slowing repayment of the COVID era debt.
And how does that solve the real issues people are currently facing - it only helps those who earn £50,000+
Truss really isn't suitable to be PM if that's her solution to the cost of living crisis.
From a technical point of view, is it possible to slow the repayment of Covid era debt without effectively defaulting?
Betting post: is Rishi heading towards value at 4.4?
Let’s say he makes the final. Penny has fully five weeks in front of the TV cameras to implode. That’s not inconceivable- it would be fairly easy to see her coming unstuck on matters of fiscal policy, for example.
And I write this as one who wants her to win.
No. This would be true if the polling was say 45 - 55, but Mordaunt's gap is absolubtely whopping. He's losing by 20 pts to Truss too. The one conceivable scenario I can see him winning is if Badenoch somehow gets to the final 2 as she REALLY is an unknown quantity. But 20s is longer than 3-1, so just back Badenoch as a saver for that scenario. He might get to the members but I think he's done. Truss is still value I think - as she beats Sunak handily, though her MP path is difficult.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
I’ve seen it as a writer for the Knappers Gazette. It absolutely affects journalism and publishing. Next
How?
And you didn't deal with the contradiction in your statements i.e. it is rampant but the reason we don't recognise it is because we haven't come across it. Can't both be true.
We have and we brush it off in most cases as political correct nonsense.
This is exactly the sort of western military forklift is what wins artillery heavy wars...
...& no one in Western military intelligence noticed that Russia has practiced "unilateral forklift disarmament" for 80 years, until Ukraine war tweets rubbed that fact in their faces🤦♂️👇
One of the amusing things about this is seeing 'experts' referring to telehandlers as 'forklifts'. they're very different, and the vehicle shown is most definitely a telehandler.
Experts, eh?
Otherwise known as reach forklift. The example shown is very much a forklift - just a subset of the general category.
Not really: and the difference between forklift and telehandler are really important on sites. And the military would probably want telehandlers in most circumstances given their greater flexibility.
One thing thaI wonder, is how well equipped the Ukranians are with this sort of palletised logistics. Perhaps the reason for the artillery and HIMARS delay was equipping with this sort of logistics handling equipment.
Not that I place much store by Lord Frost’s judgment:
Wow. A devastating assessment of @PennyMordaunt from Lord Frost on @TalkTV just now. He says she simply wasn't up to the job as a minister and had to be moved on. Having worked with her closely he has "grave reservations" about her abilities. Crikey!
Did he say who he was backing? I am very interested in knowing who he's getting behind - he could be influential.
Ah, I see it's Truss. Actually it was said here yesterday that Truss would be making a serious attack on PM today, so I suppose this is it. Good person to do it via.
You kind of feel if Penny gets it the Conservatives will come across as split quite quickly? 😕 the Daily Mail would really have to change its tune quite quickly.
No, I think she'd give out the right (right) signals and get that wing of the party on board fairly easily. I'd see Penny being fairly traditional in that her cabinet will attempt to use all the available talent regardless of affiliation.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
I think this is an outlier prediction that’s been cherry picked for headlines. All the prediction services I can find are going for 36 or 37 °C . Which is quite bad enough...
Indeed. GFS 18z throwing out fantasy charts. It’s going to be disgustingly hot. But not that hot. As Leon knows.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Her wiki page says "she is a supporter of homeopathy". Now, I am aware anyone can edit that, but I'd be pretty keen to take that down sharpish were I about to become PM when the vast majority of the country hasn't even heard of me. Unless she's happy with that description.
Cheap. Buy half a dozen pills of expensive drug x, dilute in a swimming pool a hundred times, and you have enough medicine for the NHS for 10 years for that particular drug. One can see the attractions to a certain mentality.
IIRC so was Thatcher until, after her election as leader, she took elocution lessons.
It is eminently fixable with easily available training. It never fails to astonish me how bad modern politicians are at simple tradecraft like public speaking and being interviewed.
I'd argue the opposite: politicians are generally very good at public speaking and being interviewed when compared to an average Joe like myself.
Especially as interviewers often spend lots of time trying to catch out the interviewee.
First, politicians are not compared with average Joes like yourself, they are compared with other politicians.
On your second point, that interviewers try to catch out interviewees, I suspect too much of what passes for media training consists of parrying awkward questions. Gordon Brown famously took two days to tell mumsnet his favourite biscuit because it might be a trap!
Youtube has many examples of politicians from previous generations. They tend to be better than today's at these things. My advice to any aspiring politician (or job-seeker or footballer) is practice makes perfect, or at least a damn sight better than dodging the studios for years then turning up cold when it really matters.
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
A third and larger group = people who have encountered what you describe as "woke" and are totally fine with it. Eg at my kids' school - one family objected to PSHE lessons discussing race and gender and they got quoted in the Sunday Times, the Mail and the Sun. All the other families were totally fine with it meanwhile. I wonder what would happen if I called up the Sun and told them my daughter had had these lessons and found them interesting and useful? Do you think they would run that story? No, because they have an agenda and have abandoned any pretence at balanced reporting on this issue.
Part of the problem is anti-woke obsessives running round trying to find the next thing to be offended by and try to blow it out of all proportion.
IIRC about a year ago Leon, Mr Ed and Casino were telling us that footballers taking the knee and someone pushing a statue into Bristol harbour was truly the end of civilisation as we know it. They frothed on about it for days but 12 months on nobody gives a toss.
I've put money at Badenoch as I think she is value here. Rationale:
If the right do consolidate around a candidate out of Braverman, Badenoch and Truss, Braverman obviously won't be that person and I'm not sure Truss is the default people think she is. The right would want someone who would win in the members contest. I think they'd be worried that Truss wouldn't do that, especially as she is not that great a speaker.
Re Sunak being a value bet, the key problem is that there's no real 'Team Rishi' its people who support him because they think he will win. Take that away, and his support may fade quickly.
Betting post: is Rishi heading towards value at 4.4?
Let’s say he makes the final. Penny has fully five weeks in front of the TV cameras to implode. That’s not inconceivable- it would be fairly easy to see her coming unstuck on matters of fiscal policy, for example.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
It was just one comment he made, among millions?
There was the story about the review of homeopathy studies. Though that may have just been done to keep the requestor happy - easier to get some flunkies to assess them than to simply tell the guy he's a nutter and to go away.
Edit: Or is that whooshing noise I hear a homeopathy joke passing me by? If so, then even if massively diluted in his public statements, it would still be highly effective, no?
TBF astrology used to be on the Oxford MD degree syllabus. Admittedly rather a long time ago.
There's still this: Cultural Astronomy and Astrology at University of Wales, Trinity Saint David. Although how long Trinity Saint Davids will be there to offer it is a different question!
Best chance now for the right is if Badenoch leapfrogs Truss and cannibalises her vote.
Badenoch is DEFINITELY the heir to Gove. 🙂. At first hearing it all sounds so brilliantly considered and spot on. Until you take a closer look and some of it is absolute word salad.
If this verifies, and it is getting closer, this will dominate the news for days. Incredible stuff
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
Jeez. There's a 44°C on the coast there. That heat with our humidity and a sea breeze? Come to Northumberland. There's a 23 over us.
The dewpoint temperature is due to reach 20C in a few places, much higher than over France and Spain. That makes it harder for bodies to cool down by sweating.
Betting post: is Rishi heading towards value at 4.4?
Let’s say he makes the final. Penny has fully five weeks in front of the TV cameras to implode. That’s not inconceivable- it would be fairly easy to see her coming unstuck on matters of fiscal policy, for example.
And I write this as one who wants her to win.
Quite possible, there will as you say plenty of opportunities on a big public stage for someone to implode with a dire performance.
Who knows Sunak could be the one to implode. He strikes me as someone that gets very defensive and doesn't come across well when asked difficult questions with regards to criticism of his record as chancellor or his own financial affairs.
Classic sign of someone who's had it (too) easy all his life.
The record high temperature in the UK is 38.7°C, which was reached at Cambridge Botanic Garden on 25 July 2019
I remember that day. I took the little 'un to a play barn (baby cage) in Peterborough, and as I drove back down the A1(M) the temperate gauge in the car approached 40 degrees. Fantastically hot.
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Her wiki page says "she is a supporter of homeopathy". Now, I am aware anyone can edit that, but I'd be pretty keen to take that down sharpish were I about to become PM when the vast majority of the country hasn't even heard of me. Unless she's happy with that description.
Cheap. Buy half a dozen pills of expensive drug x, dilute in a swimming pool a hundred times, and you have enough medicine for the NHS for 10 years for that particular drug. One can see the attractions to a certain mentality.
But really a homeopathic remedy (or something else you invent) is the only way to administer a placebo successfully. And we know placebos work, and in some cases are probably less harmful than a drug. So why ban their use, and reduce the options for doctors still further?
Mordaunt needs to clear up this homeopathy thing if there's any chance I could support her. I mentioned last night that the EDM she signed on it was on the same day that she tabled her very first EDM, so she may have signed it as a quid pro quo to get others to sign hers (half that signed hers also signed the homeopathy EDM). But I need to know that she knows that the magic pills have no more effect than non-magic placebos.
I was rather amused to see what David Tredinnick, who tabled the homeopathy EDM, also believes, including, "Tredinnick is a supporter of astrology and its use in medical practice" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Tredinnick_(politician)
Hunt had form there, too, of course. Although I believe he subsequently recanted.
It was just one comment he made, among millions?
There was the story about the review of homeopathy studies. Though that may have just been done to keep the requestor happy - easier to get some flunkies to assess them than to simply tell the guy he's a nutter and to go away.
Edit: Or is that whooshing noise I hear a homeopathy joke passing me by? If so, then even if massively diluted in his public statements, it would still be highly effective, no?
TBF astrology used to be on the Oxford MD degree syllabus. Admittedly rather a long time ago.
There's still this: Cultural Astronomy and Astrology at University of Wales, Trinity Saint David. Although how long Trinity Saint Davids will be there to offer it is a different question!
Hmm, seems to be a historical and sociological course - Stonehenge orientations, the culture of brownricer crystal fans at Glastonbury/Totnes, etc., rather than a DIY one. But I imagine knowing how to cast a horoscope is pretty necessary, so I wonder what the mix of students is like!
@Cookie thanks to your reply yesterday re my woke question. Apologies for not acknowledging at the time. Interesting you were the only reply and you aren't typical of someone who is likely to bang on about this topic. I also noted you posted about your experience of your daughter's before so your experience is particularly interesting. My children are now several years out of school so I might be out of touch but we had no experience of this. Would love to hear from other parents. What does the school say when challenged?
To be clear, this is based on my shock from visiting schools we're considering for our daughter's senior school - she's still only 10. But it's universal: private and state, selective and non-selective. Which is odd, because the primary schools my daughters have been to are not perceptibly more woke than the state primary school I attended 30 years ago. I think it would be quite hard to challenge the school on this. It's easy to criticise the excesses of woke anonymously on an internet forum; much more risky in real life to a school which your children have to attend. You hear stories of quite hostile pushback to that sort of thing, and the last thing a parent wants to do is make life more difficult for their children.
Society can be divided into two types of people
Those who do not believe Woke is a problem = those who have not yet encountered it in work or life
Those who realise Woke is a problem = those who have now encountered it. Parents of kids age 10-15 are a classic case, because they can suddenly see it running rampant in schools
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work or life then like you say? Your statement doesn't make sense therefore does it? Maybe we have encountered it and in most cases find it irritating but irrelevant. As I said yesterday we just think pillocks and move on.
Note I asked you a question about this yesterday and you didn't reply. Only @cookie did and I find his reply disturbing. You keep banging on about it but don't say how it affects your life.
If woke is rampant why haven't we encountered it in work
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
Mordaunt holds the best chance for the CP at the next election and this is her main plus point. However, I think she has a taste for the eye-catching - she has had to row back from the defining a women stuff and now we have the homeopathy stuff. If I were a CP member I would have doubts about her.
I think the homeopathy stuff is vanishingly small in importance, and will just be used as mud.
It's well over a decade ago, so I'd suggest all it will need is a clarification.
I'm more inclined to concern about her ability to run an administration - as for other candidates - and I wonder if, in the style of Boris, the next administration will need a majordomo.
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But the first names after the current six + Raab as possible caretaker are, in order:
Jeremy Corbyn
Jo Swinson
Keir Starmer
Rebecca Long-Bailey.
My son's school has little or no sign of anything woke or anything to do with CRT. There is no sign of any change to traditional gender orthodoxies, ie boys are boys and girls are girls. The parents for the most part seem to work in supermarkets or are builders. My calculation was perhaps this revolution will just pass us by and there will be eventually be some kind of positive reformation of the old order.
Who knows how things will look if/when Labour is in power.
Even if it is imperfect, and the best chance (Hunt) has been ludicrously blown, the only chance now is someone not bigly tainted by the recent past. That excludes Braverman, Truss and Rishi. Leaving Mordaunt, Kemi and Hat as the only possible people, should a fit of common sense, moral compass and sanity break out.
However that takes no account of the madness of crowds, media, MPs and members.
PS Of those remaining on the moral compass grounds, Kemi and Hat look as if they may possibly, with luck and a fair wind, have heavyweight potential. Mordaunt not.
And if she is, does it matter?
These are lethal temperatures and many will die
Given the clouds on every horizon, it is almost baked in that whoever is elected won't be able to deliver on the hopes and expectations they were forced to raise in order to win the job.
Being disappointing merely in performance terms won't lead to another leadership election, since against Starmer it simply levels the playing field. And the Tories don't have any obvious alternative successors lurking outside this field, at least so long as they stay in government.
I have perused her wiki page, yes.
@GuidoFawkes
Liz restates that she would reverse NII hike and cancel the corporation tax hike on day one. Made possible by slowing repayment of the COVID era debt.
And how does that solve the real issues people are currently facing - it only helps those who earn £50,000+
Truss really isn't suitable to be PM if that's her solution to the cost of living crisis.
This is - if it happens - our version of the Canadian Heat dome
Especially as interviewers often spend lots of time trying to catch out the interviewee.
I know it’s incomprehensible, but we are looking at the end result!
Penny and Sunak are the best two in this field. Sunak should have taken over from Boris 12 months ago, it’s been too much fantasy economics from Tory’s for too long. People like Mogg and Nad are clueless about how to run an economy.
It’s important for the Tories to perform well as possible even if it’s general election defeat, for how they are thought of on the economy and delivering Brexit leaving office is how they will be thought of in opposition and in 5 years years time. They must not write next two years off as not important by acting like an opposition party too soon!
There may be a potentially simple explanation for that.
Labour gets ripped apart for this kind of thing and fair enough. But the Tories proposing to be the PM have even less.
It’s not exactly three words get Brexit done is it?
Braverman has a plan though! Too many fit and healthy workshy scummers in the north. So put them to work treading up and down on giant bellows pointing south. That way we make working class scummers do a day's work for a change, keep the decent people of the south warm *and* deportthe EU hot air back where it belongs.
https://www.businessinsider.com/11-tory-leadership-candidates-donors-and-war-chests-analysed-2022-7?r=US&IR=T
Tory MPs will begin their second round of voting at 11.30am this morning and have until 1.30pm to cast their ballot.
The result will then be announced by the chair of the backbench 1922 Committee, Sir Graham Brady, at 3pm.
https://news.sky.com/story/more-tory-leadership-hopefuls-set-to-be-knocked-out-of-race-today-as-second-voting-round-begins-12651534
Let’s say he makes the final. Penny has fully five weeks in front of the TV cameras to implode. That’s not inconceivable- it would be fairly easy to see her coming unstuck on matters of fiscal policy, for example.
And I write this as one who wants her to win.
Edit: Or is that whooshing noise I hear a homeopathy joke passing me by? If so, then even if massively diluted in his public statements, it would still be highly effective, no?
Oh Liz
Or you could read the weather websites. Mainstream models are now coughing up these predictikns. A reliable and sober forecaster on one of them just said 40C+ is now a 50% chance
And you didn't deal with the contradiction in your statements i.e. it is rampant but the reason we don't recognise it is because we haven't come across it. Can't both be true.
We have and we brush it off in most cases as political correct nonsense.
Come to Northumberland. There's a 23 over us.
The problem is that the Red Wall does not. And I don’t think the voters they’ve lost to the Lib Dems do either
Who knows Sunak could be the one to implode. He strikes me as someone that gets very defensive and doesn't come across well when asked difficult questions with regards to criticism of his record as chancellor or his own financial affairs.
Which is not at all impossible, of course.
Oh Liz
"These are lethal temperatures and many will die."
Have you been writing the Daily Express headlines for the last sixty years?
I'd stick to the people who know about these things, rather than going all alarmist:
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/gcpsvg3nc#?date=2022-07-14
Heathrow is a good bet for the hottest place.
Some places will get to 38°C. Quite possibly the record of 38.7°C will be broken.
40°C? I doubt it.
43°C? NOT. A. CHANCE.
The one conceivable scenario I can see him winning is if Badenoch somehow gets to the final 2 as she REALLY is an unknown quantity.
But 20s is longer than 3-1, so just back Badenoch as a saver for that scenario.
He might get to the members but I think he's done.
Truss is still value I think - as she beats Sunak handily, though her MP path is difficult.
Like something you get from M&S for a party night.
https://unherd.com/2020/11/why-i-had-to-leave-the-guardian/
PS It's an absolutely glorious day here in Dorset this morning, 21.2°C, blue skies, gentle breeze. Perfect.
On your second point, that interviewers try to catch out interviewees, I suspect too much of what passes for media training consists of parrying awkward questions. Gordon Brown famously took two days to tell mumsnet his favourite biscuit because it might be a trap!
Youtube has many examples of politicians from previous generations. They tend to be better than today's at these things. My advice to any aspiring politician (or job-seeker or footballer) is practice makes perfect, or at least a damn sight better than dodging the studios for years then turning up cold when it really matters.
Is this going to damage Penny?
IIRC about a year ago Leon, Mr Ed and Casino were telling us that footballers taking the knee and someone pushing a statue into Bristol harbour was truly the end of civilisation as we know it. They frothed on about it for days but 12 months on nobody gives a toss.
If the right do consolidate around a candidate out of Braverman, Badenoch and Truss, Braverman obviously won't be that person and I'm not sure Truss is the default people think she is. The right would want someone who would win in the members contest. I think they'd be worried that Truss wouldn't do that, especially as she is not that great a speaker.
Re Sunak being a value bet, the key problem is that there's no real 'Team Rishi' its people who support him because they think he will win. Take that away, and his support may fade quickly.
Although how long Trinity Saint Davids will be there to offer it is a different question!
Odds of breaking 40: 7/2
Odds of breaking 43: 30/1
Reminds me of this very funny clip:
https://youtu.be/ntWO7jnOcWE
So she’s changed her mind?
Of course this shouldn’t matter because we have CoL to deal with but I wonder if she’s going to come unstuck soon
I genuinely don't know what to make of this comment. Every single moderately large company has a social media team who pump out a near continuous stream of vacuous virtue-signalling nonsense on equality, diversity, inclusion etc for every minority group under the sun. It's particularly prevalent in June, when they all change their corporate logos to include rainbows for Pride month. LinkedIn becomes even more unreadable than usual because of the weight of posts on the subject. I absolutely do not understand how anyone could be in the workforce and not have noticed this, somewhere.
IIRC 15,000 died
It's well over a decade ago, so I'd suggest all it will need is a clarification.
I'm more inclined to concern about her ability to run an administration - as for other candidates - and I wonder if, in the style of Boris, the next administration will need a majordomo.