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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    edited July 2022
    TOPPING said:

    I am so excited!!!!!

    I haven't been this excited since I saw my girlfriend after several months of lockdown kept us apart.

    You mean you followed the rules? Crazy talk.
    I'm DBSed (enhanced) regularly, I cannot be a lawbreaker.

    It helped that we both lived with family members that had to shield.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Sam Coates of Sky has just said Truss has not got 30 votes yet

    I would be amazed if that is true when the results are announced

    Pleeeeeeeeease verify!
    I think he is wrong as has already been said
    Would be brilliant though. Rather than the packed right wing field drop two by two and back Truss, they take votes to knock her out.

    I would put music on and dance.

    I trust Sam Coates actually. I am so excited by that post,
    The right accidentally self-owning itself would be funny but I can’t see it happening.
  • Gazprom says it can't guarantee further operations of the gas pipeline to Germany.

    https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

    POGWAS.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited July 2022
    Sandpit said:

    Gazprom says it can't guarantee further operations of the gas pipeline to Germany.

    https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

    The “annual 10 day shutdown” was always a facade. That pipeline is not being re-opened. Buy diesel generators, while you stil can.
    Sri Lanka, coming to a European capital near you this winter
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Sam Coates of Sky has just said Truss has not got 30 votes yet

    I would be amazed if that is true when the results are announced

    Pleeeeeeeeease verify!
    I think he is wrong as has already been said
    Boooooooo
    Boring boring Big G. Boooooo
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,762

    Hope you are keeping well @Omnium sorry if I confused you

    I'm easily confused :)

    But, hey, you know I was paying attention!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Interesting discovery - that exceptionally foolish purchase of a bottle of Retsina when Lidl were doing Greek week has turned out ok - ferociously chilled, over ice it’s quite drinkable in this heat!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,292
    The 1922 do a good job of not leaking. No movement on the markets yet someone must know now
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    Andy_JS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Kathy Gyngell on GB News saying that ConservativeWoman have got a hit piece on Penny coming tomorrow, related to the “Women” problem, and the denial of her previous position.

    It's possible to not care about the issue itself, while being perturbed by the fact that she seems to have been saying different things to different people on this subject. On the other hand maybe that's par for the course for politicians in general.
    Not defending her on this, but it is a complex issue with many nuances that the extremists on both sides try to ignore. It's perfectly possible for slightly different questions to elicit different answers.

    For instance I'm generally pro-trans, and want to see them be able to go about their business as the rest of us do. But I don't think trans people should *automatically* be allowed to play in womens' sports. If I were to answer the questions in order in different interviews, one answer might be seen as pro-trans and the other anti-trans. But both answers are the result of a carefully-considered position.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    Mike Penning resigns as Vice Chairman of the party to focus on campaigning for Mordaunt.
  • Mordaunt feels like she has the momentum now. A coronation perhaps?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    It’ll be great again to a Tory Prime Minister who listens to my every word.

    Well she does share your, err, sense of humour.
    Indeed.

    We both like a good innuendo at the right moment.

    We are both also fans of the single entendre.
    If she asked for an innuendo would you give her one?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632

    Sandpit said:

    Gazprom says it can't guarantee further operations of the gas pipeline to Germany.

    https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

    The “annual 10 day shutdown” was always a facade. That pipeline is not being re-opened. Buy diesel generators, while you stil can.
    Sri Lanka, coming to a European capital near you this winter
    Well we've got Sri Lankan weather at the moment.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Kathy Gyngell on GB News saying that ConservativeWoman have got a hit piece on Penny coming tomorrow, related to the “Women” problem, and the denial of her previous position.

    It's possible to not care about the issue itself, while being perturbed by the fact that she seems to have been saying different things to different people on this subject. On the other hand maybe that's par for the course for politicians in general.
    Not defending her on this, but it is a complex issue with many nuances that the extremists on both sides try to ignore. It's perfectly possible for slightly different questions to elicit different answers.

    For instance I'm generally pro-trans, and want to see them be able to go about their business as the rest of us do. But I don't think trans people should *automatically* be allowed to play in womens' sports. If I were to answer the questions in order in different interviews, one answer might be seen as pro-trans and the other anti-trans. But both answers are the result of a carefully-considered position.
    This is exactly my position. People on both sides are as bad as each other
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994

    I think a Penny vs Starmer contest would bring some normality and decency back to politics. Probably the most boring one we’ve had in years.

    Low turnout IMHO

    I think Starmer's boringness has been exacerbated by contrast with his, er, anything but boring opponent. Up against a more normal opponent like Mordaunt or Sunak he may seem interesting enough.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    TOPPING said:

    It’ll be great again to a Tory Prime Minister who listens to my every word.

    Well she does share your, err, sense of humour.
    Indeed.

    We both like a good innuendo at the right moment.

    We are both also fans of the single entendre.
    If she asked for an innuendo would you give her one?
    Been there, done that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    In among the excitement, I'm internally following my own internal thread about covers of tunes in different styles - another one from Boss Hoss: Say a Little Prayer: just lovely. Like letting out a breath you didn't know you'd been holding.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DmF_koHS3s

    And on a different tack, Glitzy Bag Hags. A skiffle version of Super Sharp Shooter. I saw this lot at a festival in Bristol: never have I seen such a euphoric, sweaty, packed dancefloor for a band which no-one had heard of. A better party than in this video, anyway.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATsilisTO9k

    Best cover versions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ReSV3CCRzg&ab_channel=PostmodernJukebox

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk&ab_channel=PostmodernJukebox

    Wow, they’ve got massive views. Cover bands can now make serious money from Youtube.
    They are brilliant (and I haven't even any idea of what songs they are covering!)
    You might recognise this one from their lead vocalist:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqLU4wPzDVg
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    MISTY said:

    Sandpit said:

    MISTY said:

    Financial press reporting there's a one in three chance the Fed could go a full one percentage point next time out after US CPI beat expectations.

    Yes, another 75bps from the Fed is a dead cert at this point. The BoE went 25bps last time, and has a lot of catching-up to do.
    I'm not a forex expert but I just wonder about the effect of these widening differentials. The ECB and BoJ are effectively stymied at zero...whilst the US/UK/Canada are hiking.

    The logical upshot would seem to be more poundings for the Euro/Yen, but I guess the flows are more complex than that.
    The Euro is definitely taking a pounding, it came within a whisker of parity to the US$ yesterday, and is currently at $1.008. Another Fed raise, and it’ll be $0.95 and heading for $0.90.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited July 2022
    Somewhat taken aback by the cover on my issue this morning!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    TOPPING said:

    I am so excited!!!!!

    I haven't been this excited since I saw my girlfriend after several months of lockdown kept us apart.

    You mean you followed the rules? Crazy talk.
    I'm DBSed (enhanced) regularly, I cannot be a lawbreaker.

    It helped that we both lived with family members that had to shield.
    It was put to me that the definition of a bubble was whoever the middle classes happened to be with at any one time
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    edited July 2022

    Mordaunt feels like she has the momentum now. A coronation perhaps?

    I don’t think there’ll be a coronation. I’m still expecting Rishi to come top in this ballot, the key thing will be the margin. If it’s between 10-30 then he’s not managed to run away with it and is in trouble IMHO.

    It would however be sensational if he is behind Penny.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Carnyx said:

    Somewhat taken aback by the cover on my issue this morning!
    That’s a bit sh!t.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    edited July 2022
    Sandpit said:

    MISTY said:

    Sandpit said:

    MISTY said:

    Financial press reporting there's a one in three chance the Fed could go a full one percentage point next time out after US CPI beat expectations.

    Yes, another 75bps from the Fed is a dead cert at this point. The BoE went 25bps last time, and has a lot of catching-up to do.
    I'm not a forex expert but I just wonder about the effect of these widening differentials. The ECB and BoJ are effectively stymied at zero...whilst the US/UK/Canada are hiking.

    The logical upshot would seem to be more poundings for the Euro/Yen, but I guess the flows are more complex than that.
    The Euro is definitely taking a pounding, it came within a whisker of parity to the US$ yesterday, and is currently at $1.008. Another Fed raise, and it’ll be $0.95 and heading for $0.90.
    Hmmn.....
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,762
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am so excited!!!!!

    I haven't been this excited since I saw my girlfriend after several months of lockdown kept us apart.

    You mean you followed the rules? Crazy talk.
    I'm DBSed (enhanced) regularly, I cannot be a lawbreaker.

    It helped that we both lived with family members that had to shield.
    It was put to me that the definition of a bubble was whoever the middle classes happened to be with at any one time
    A Greek infiltration?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,292
    Rishi drifts… out to 5
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    Oh dear.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    Sam Coates of Sky has just said Truss has not got 30 votes yet

    I would be amazed if that is true when the results are announced

    My big expectation is that Truss bombs.

    I have been laying her a lot.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    People know something clearly.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    It’ll be great again to a Tory Prime Minister who listens to my every word.

    I hate to tell you, but nobody ever listens to you. They're too distracted by the shoes.
    Particularly the synaesthetes, who can't hear you above the clamour from the footwear.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    Sam Coates of Sky has just said Truss has not got 30 votes yet

    I would be amazed if that is true when the results are announced

    My big expectation is that Truss bombs.

    I have been laying her a lot.
    Oh I do hope so.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831
    Are we expecting an announcement at 5? If so I will go and find a TV.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am so excited!!!!!

    I haven't been this excited since I saw my girlfriend after several months of lockdown kept us apart.

    You mean you followed the rules? Crazy talk.
    I'm DBSed (enhanced) regularly, I cannot be a lawbreaker.

    It helped that we both lived with family members that had to shield.
    It was put to me that the definition of a bubble was whoever the middle classes happened to be with at any one time
    I just about managed to cope with lockdowns because I had my parents and kids in the same house, having a biggish house and garden, with superfast broadband made it bearable.

    I did develop impatience with it all when I was double jabbed by February 2021 and all my friends/partners weren't double jabbed until the summer.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    Somewhat taken aback by the cover on my issue this morning!
    That’s a bit sh!t.
    Very much the manorial view of Conservatism so memorably expressed by one of us a few months back.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    DavidL said:

    Are we expecting an announcement at 5? If so I will go and find a TV.

    Yes, 17:00 announcement.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited July 2022

    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    People know something clearly.
    Someone always knows, someone always tells
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Sean_F said:

    Sam Coates of Sky has just said Truss has not got 30 votes yet

    I would be amazed if that is true when the results are announced

    My big expectation is that Truss bombs.

    I have been laying her a lot.
    You may want to rephrase that last sentence.
    I’m worried that if I lay her too much it will lead to a painful experience.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431
    edited July 2022
    Afternoon all! What happens if one candidate has a massive vote and none of the others get to 30?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    "Chris McKeon
    @cjmckeon

    6% of people told Ipsos they knew "a great deal" about Tory leadership hopeful Stewart Lewis - who does not exist. Similar proportions said the same about Braverman, Badenoch and Tugendhat - who do exist (via @PA"

    https://twitter.com/cjmckeon/status/1547233958064259076
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    Sandpit said:

    Gazprom says it can't guarantee further operations of the gas pipeline to Germany.

    https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

    The “annual 10 day shutdown” was always a facade. That pipeline is not being re-opened. Buy diesel generators, while you stil can.
    Unfortunately the diesel comes from Russia.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Sam Coates of Sky has just said Truss has not got 30 votes yet

    I would be amazed if that is true when the results are announced

    My big expectation is that Truss bombs.

    I have been laying her a lot.
    Oh I do hope so.
    The first or the second sentence?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    Afternoon all! What happens if one candidate has a massive vote and none of the others get to 30?

    Curtains for the wallpaper?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    People know something clearly.
    Someone always knows, someone always tells
    The actual ‘22 committee won’t be leaking, but the MPs will all be talking to each other and the campaigns will have a good idea about who’s still in.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    edited July 2022
    Nigelb said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
    She seems to have had a challenging upbringing - father Para Reg hence away a lot, mother died early, she became "primary caregiver" (wiki).

    She is in the RNR (no idea what the difference between RNR and RNVR is) and as such although she didn't do too much it seems (can't see any deployments) she put her name down and was presumably ready to deploy. And might have had to I assume at various points in time.

    So good for her is my view.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    Sandpit said:

    Gazprom says it can't guarantee further operations of the gas pipeline to Germany.

    https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

    The “annual 10 day shutdown” was always a facade. That pipeline is not being re-opened. Buy diesel generators, while you stil can.
    Unfortunately the diesel comes from Russia.
    Never been more happy to have an open fire.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,292

    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    People know something clearly.
    Marginal movement tho

    However Unibet has Mordaunt at 2/5 which is notable
  • ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 500
    Pro_Rata said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    I think we're in a slightly odd position that a big interest rate rise to catch up with the Fed will have an outsized effect on near term inflation as most of what we're seeing is commodity price inflation which is related to our weakening currency against USD. I doubt motorists will care that interest rates went up a bit when a clawing back 4-6% against USD brings pump prices down by 10-15p per litre along with a whole host of imported goods that are priced in dollars.

    If it means the likes of Klarna go bankrupt then no one will shed any tears.
    I don't think raising interest rates will have anything like the impact on Sterling you think it will.
    Every time the Bank has refused to keep up with the Fed we saw prolonged weakening. There seems to be enough economic headroom for bigger rate rises than expected.

    I'm also not convinced that rate rises hurt current mortgage holders that much, how many are on standard variable interest only style mortgages anyway?
    Fixed rates expire.

    “20% [of mortgages] are floating so they will see the interest rate increase come through immediately,” Sarah Breeden, executive director for Financial Stability Strategy and Risk at the Bank of England, told MPs at the Treasury committee on Monday.

    “Of the 80% that are fixed, our data suggests that around a quarter of those come out of that in the next 12 months. Of that 100% stock of mortgages actually only 40% are going to see higher rates in the immediate period ahead,” she added.

    However, she admitted that more of that “will pass through over the next year” as more fixed rate mortgages come to an end.


    It still needs to happen, but it's going to hurt for a lot of ordinary people.
    I'm floating, but that's because of the property value hike making remortgage fees on the remaining repayment value uncompetitive when I came to look. And now it's basically like a car loan, each interest rate hike costs me a couple of quid a month

    If it bores me I'll just pay it off.

    Suspect a good number of floating mortgages are of this ilk.
    As I've said, the key is not the floating mortgages but the 60% of mortgages that will be coming off a fixed rate deal after the next twelve months. Unless you think inflation is going to be done and dusted in a year, and after that time we'll be back to the post-2008 pre-COVID era of cheap money, then they're going to take a big hit. With the average UK mortgage debt being c.£140,000, going from a fix of 2% to a new fix of 5% is two hundred quid a month in mortgage repayments, or £2.4k per year. In cash terms that's almost twice as big a hit to household budgets as the projected energy cap increase (£1,971 currently, £3,364 projected January 2023).

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Andy_JS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Kathy Gyngell on GB News saying that ConservativeWoman have got a hit piece on Penny coming tomorrow, related to the “Women” problem, and the denial of her previous position.

    It's possible to not care about the issue itself, while being perturbed by the fact that she seems to have been saying different things to different people on this subject. On the other hand maybe that's par for the course for politicians in general.
    Not defending her on this, but it is a complex issue with many nuances that the extremists on both sides try to ignore. It's perfectly possible for slightly different questions to elicit different answers.

    For instance I'm generally pro-trans, and want to see them be able to go about their business as the rest of us do. But I don't think trans people should *automatically* be allowed to play in womens' sports. If I were to answer the questions in order in different interviews, one answer might be seen as pro-trans and the other anti-trans. But both answers are the result of a carefully-considered position.
    This is exactly my position. People on both sides are as bad as each other
    Really?
    Even the side that’s not issuing death threats and trying to get people sacked?
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270

    Afternoon all! What happens if one candidate has a massive vote another of the others get to 30?

    Massive pressure perhaps for the rest candidates to drop out.

    Depends who has the massive lead with MPs in this scenario. If it's Sunak (the likely big winner with MPs) then I can't see for example Mordaunt dropping out, not with all this polling saying she can win with the membership vote.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
    She seems to have had a challenging upbringing - father Para Reg hence away a lot, mother died early, she became "primary caregiver" (wiki).

    She is in the RNR (no idea what the difference between RNR and RNVR is) and as such although she didn't do too much it seems (can't see any deployments) she put her name down and was presumably ready to deploy. And might have had to I assume at various points in time.

    So good for her is my view.
    I am unsurprised that you're not quite as cynical as our aviator. :smile:
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    Pro_Rata said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    I think we're in a slightly odd position that a big interest rate rise to catch up with the Fed will have an outsized effect on near term inflation as most of what we're seeing is commodity price inflation which is related to our weakening currency against USD. I doubt motorists will care that interest rates went up a bit when a clawing back 4-6% against USD brings pump prices down by 10-15p per litre along with a whole host of imported goods that are priced in dollars.

    If it means the likes of Klarna go bankrupt then no one will shed any tears.
    I don't think raising interest rates will have anything like the impact on Sterling you think it will.
    Every time the Bank has refused to keep up with the Fed we saw prolonged weakening. There seems to be enough economic headroom for bigger rate rises than expected.

    I'm also not convinced that rate rises hurt current mortgage holders that much, how many are on standard variable interest only style mortgages anyway?
    Fixed rates expire.

    “20% [of mortgages] are floating so they will see the interest rate increase come through immediately,” Sarah Breeden, executive director for Financial Stability Strategy and Risk at the Bank of England, told MPs at the Treasury committee on Monday.

    “Of the 80% that are fixed, our data suggests that around a quarter of those come out of that in the next 12 months. Of that 100% stock of mortgages actually only 40% are going to see higher rates in the immediate period ahead,” she added.

    However, she admitted that more of that “will pass through over the next year” as more fixed rate mortgages come to an end.


    It still needs to happen, but it's going to hurt for a lot of ordinary people.
    I'm floating, but that's because of the property value hike making remortgage fees on the remaining repayment value uncompetitive when I came to look. And now it's basically like a car loan, each interest rate hike costs me a couple of quid a month

    If it bores me I'll just pay it off.

    Suspect a good number of floating mortgages are of this ilk.
    As I've said, the key is not the floating mortgages but the 60% of mortgages that will be coming off a fixed rate deal after the next twelve months. Unless you think inflation is going to be done and dusted in a year, and after that time we'll be back to the post-2008 pre-COVID era of cheap money, then they're going to take a big hit. With the average UK mortgage debt being c.£140,000, going from a fix of 2% to a new fix of 5% is two hundred quid a month in mortgage repayments, or £2.4k per year. In cash terms that's almost twice as big a hit to household budgets as the projected energy cap increase (£1,971 currently, £3,364 projected January 2023).

    It’s ok though, they and their highly responsible lenders will have stress tested it.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    I AM GETTING NOTHING DONE
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    DavidL said:

    Are we expecting an announcement at 5? If so I will go and find a TV.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719

    Sandpit said:

    Gazprom says it can't guarantee further operations of the gas pipeline to Germany.

    https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

    The “annual 10 day shutdown” was always a facade. That pipeline is not being re-opened. Buy diesel generators, while you stil can.
    Unfortunately the diesel comes from Russia.
    I hope historians will one day tell us if anyone in the West, especially in Germany, sat down and wargamed what would happen if the Russians go mad and stop all the oil and gas flows.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    MISTY said:

    Sandpit said:

    MISTY said:

    Sandpit said:

    MISTY said:

    Financial press reporting there's a one in three chance the Fed could go a full one percentage point next time out after US CPI beat expectations.

    Yes, another 75bps from the Fed is a dead cert at this point. The BoE went 25bps last time, and has a lot of catching-up to do.
    I'm not a forex expert but I just wonder about the effect of these widening differentials. The ECB and BoJ are effectively stymied at zero...whilst the US/UK/Canada are hiking.

    The logical upshot would seem to be more poundings for the Euro/Yen, but I guess the flows are more complex than that.
    The Euro is definitely taking a pounding, it came within a whisker of parity to the US$ yesterday, and is currently at $1.008. Another Fed raise, and it’ll be $0.95 and heading for $0.90.
    Hmmn.....
    This is the trade weighted Euro exchange rate index: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NBXMBIS


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited July 2022
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
    She seems to have had a challenging upbringing - father Para Reg hence away a lot, mother died early, she became "primary caregiver" (wiki).

    She is in the RNR (no idea what the difference between RNR and RNVR is) and as such although she didn't do too much it seems (can't see any deployments) she put her name down and was presumably ready to deploy. And might have had to I assume at various points in time.

    So good for her is my view.
    RNR is or at least was a period of reserve after you've done a contract of full-time matelot in the Andrew. RNVR is when you've never been a full-timer.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Sean_F said:

    Sam Coates of Sky has just said Truss has not got 30 votes yet

    I would be amazed if that is true when the results are announced

    My big expectation is that Truss bombs.

    I have been laying her a lot.
    You may want to rephrase that last sentence.
    Hey, I'm not Mark Field. Ew.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    Oh dear.
    Some of that is me.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    And this is the one for the USD:


  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,762
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    People know something clearly.
    Marginal movement tho

    However Unibet has Mordaunt at 2/5 which is notable
    Bookmakers with one side only of the price can pitch any way they choose. The prices that high-street bookmakers offer have no meaning.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Excellent from Rigby on Sky: “The final two, which is unpredictable to predict….”
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    rcs1000 said:

    MISTY said:

    Sandpit said:

    MISTY said:

    Sandpit said:

    MISTY said:

    Financial press reporting there's a one in three chance the Fed could go a full one percentage point next time out after US CPI beat expectations.

    Yes, another 75bps from the Fed is a dead cert at this point. The BoE went 25bps last time, and has a lot of catching-up to do.
    I'm not a forex expert but I just wonder about the effect of these widening differentials. The ECB and BoJ are effectively stymied at zero...whilst the US/UK/Canada are hiking.

    The logical upshot would seem to be more poundings for the Euro/Yen, but I guess the flows are more complex than that.
    The Euro is definitely taking a pounding, it came within a whisker of parity to the US$ yesterday, and is currently at $1.008. Another Fed raise, and it’ll be $0.95 and heading for $0.90.
    Hmmn.....
    This is the trade weighted Euro exchange rate index: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NBXMBIS


    Thanks...!

  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    edited July 2022
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
    She seems to have had a challenging upbringing - father Para Reg hence away a lot, mother died early, she became "primary caregiver" (wiki).

    She is in the RNR (no idea what the difference between RNR and RNVR is) and as such although she didn't do too much it seems (can't see any deployments) she put her name down and was presumably ready to deploy. And might have had to I assume at various points in time.

    So good for her is my view.
    I am unsurprised that you're not quite as cynical as our aviator. :smile:
    I find the forces fetishism a bit naff (we’re not American) so the fact she was a carer from a young age makes me think more highly of her than being RNR. Then again one of my best friends is RNR and I’m amazed he can tie his shoes in the morning so my views may not be representative.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,719
    Topped up a tad on Rishi at 5.

    Brave I hear you say, very brave.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    So, the Hateful Eight to be reduced to a Deadly Seven?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154
    And while we're here... this is the UK:

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,292
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    People know something clearly.
    Marginal movement tho

    However Unibet has Mordaunt at 2/5 which is notable
    Bookmakers with one side only of the price can pitch any way they choose. The prices that high-street bookmakers offer have no meaning.
    Well, they're not saying Mordaunt is a 30/1 shot, so they have meaning
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Just hope the '22 isn't late. Tension is unbearable.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Feeling nervous...
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385

    Mordaunt feels like she has the momentum now. A coronation perhaps?

    Mormentum.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Carnyx said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
    She seems to have had a challenging upbringing - father Para Reg hence away a lot, mother died early, she became "primary caregiver" (wiki).

    She is in the RNR (no idea what the difference between RNR and RNVR is) and as such although she didn't do too much it seems (can't see any deployments) she put her name down and was presumably ready to deploy. And might have had to I assume at various points in time.

    So good for her is my view.
    RNR is or at least was a period of reserve after you've done a contract of full-time matelot in the Andrew. RNVR is when you've never been a full-timer.
    tyvm

    And that could be one of the most magnificent typos in PB history.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Rigby: sources telling her Hunt hasn’t made it
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Taz said:

    Mordaunt feels like she has the momentum now. A coronation perhaps?

    Mormentum.
    Please no.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Rigby: sources telling her Hunt hasn’t made it

    He’s out or dead?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,635
    If Sunak doesn't get it, is that the end of his political career? He might try and do a Clegg.
  • noisywinternoisywinter Posts: 249
    Be fun if all except the top 2 got under 30
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    WHAT IS IT?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Rishi drifts… out to 5

    Oh dear.
    🤣🤣🤣🤣
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Andy_JS said:

    "Chris McKeon
    @cjmckeon

    6% of people told Ipsos they knew "a great deal" about Tory leadership hopeful Stewart Lewis - who does not exist. Similar proportions said the same about Braverman, Badenoch and Tugendhat - who do exist (via @PA"

    https://twitter.com/cjmckeon/status/1547233958064259076

    SL4PM.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Rigby: sources telling her Hunt hasn’t made it

    Based on no Hunt teller in the Lobby?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    OnboardG1 said:

    Taz said:

    Mordaunt feels like she has the momentum now. A coronation perhaps?

    Mormentum.
    Please no.
    I thought it was quite good.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Time to see my betfair position turn to Ashes lol
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,899
    edited July 2022
    Betfair has only five left in.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Here we go.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Okay, prediction:

    Mourdaunt
    Badenoch
    Sunak
    Truss
    Tugendhat
    Zahawi
    Braverman
    Hunt
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    Game on!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,828

    Topped up a tad on Rishi at 5.

    Brave I hear you say, very brave.

    Those are good odds for Rishi. The market feels a bit too volatile.

    Slightly worried that Penny Mordaunt is so close to Andrea Leadsom.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,592
    Nigelb said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
    Dura has never, ever said anything positive about anyone. He denigrates and takes the p*ss out of everyone. Including himself, so that is fine. But it does mean that his opinions about people can be safely ignored. ;)

    As for Mordaunt; I have an automatic positive feeling for anyone who chooses to serve the country in the military, in whatever position. It is a choice I never made (never could make, really), and I am all too aware that it is a decision that can lead to doing some nasty things and being in some sh*t places.

    Like Portsmouth. ;)

    (I got married in Portsmouth...)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Andy_JS said:

    Here we go.

    No TV. Please post.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    Kemi gets through
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    TOPPING said:

    Carnyx said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
    She has that ex-forces patriotic vibe that could go down well in some Red Wall constituencies, i think. She could probably hold on to a few of them. Some are probably beyond saving already TBH.
    I’m a bit puzzled by her reliance on her supposed “military background”

    Reading her wiki, she seems to have joined in her mid 30’s, not achieved much of note, or seen any action, then left after five years.

    Deeply unimpressive. Am I being unfair?

    Whaddya think @Dura_Ace ? @TOPPING ?
    Dura is on record with "not much", though expressed more colourfully.
    She seems to have had a challenging upbringing - father Para Reg hence away a lot, mother died early, she became "primary caregiver" (wiki).

    She is in the RNR (no idea what the difference between RNR and RNVR is) and as such although she didn't do too much it seems (can't see any deployments) she put her name down and was presumably ready to deploy. And might have had to I assume at various points in time.

    So good for her is my view.
    RNR is or at least was a period of reserve after you've done a contract of full-time matelot in the Andrew. RNVR is when you've never been a full-timer.
    tyvm

    And that could be one of the most magnificent typos in PB history.
    What typo? No misspellings there at all. Idiom may be a problem - Andrew = RN.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited July 2022
    Sunak 88
    Mordaunt 67
    Truss 50
    Badenoch 40
    Tugendhat 37
    Braverman 32
    Zahawi 25
    Hunt 18

    357 votes cast.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Hunt and Zahawi gone.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Taz said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Taz said:

    Mordaunt feels like she has the momentum now. A coronation perhaps?

    Mormentum.
    Please no.
    I thought it was quite good.
    It’s a good pun I’ll give you that, however I still have trauma from Moggmentum.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Kemi Badenoch - 40
    Suella Braverman - 32
    Jeremy Hunt - 18
    Penny Mordaunt - 67
    Rishi Sunak - 88
    Liz Truss - 50
    Tom Tugendhat - 37
    Nadhim Zahawi - 25
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    FFS Braverman gets through
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