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edited July 2022 in General
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    eekeek Posts: 24,979
    In for a penny....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    2nd like Sunak.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,058
    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    edited July 2022
    Fourth rate like the rest
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Has Sunak recovered to 34% ?! & Penny dropped back ?!
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,942
    Labour putting out a very punch attack ad about Tory candidates’ tax status - basically ‘they put up your taxes while avoiding their own’. 🥊 https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1547231435987292160/video/1
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609

    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857

    It can't be based on leaks from the counting room, it must be his own supporters have told him that they voted for someone else.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,979
    edited July 2022
    Sandpit said:

    2nd like Sunak.

    I suspect he may be 3rd or even 4th - with zero chance of winning the members vote why waste your vote voting for him.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,274

    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857

    Lol. After polls close you don’t pull out, you just lose.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,452
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Labour putting out a very punch attack ad about Tory candidates’ tax status - basically ‘they put up your taxes while avoiding their own’. 🥊 https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1547231435987292160/video/1

    As I mentioned on the previous thread - they are going for Sunak. Why? Do they think they’re most likely to face him? Or do they want to destroy his chances?

    AFAIK there’s no suggestion of fancy tax schemes from Truss or Penny, unless someone can enlighten me?
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,779
    Scott_xP said:

    Labour putting out a very punch attack ad about Tory candidates’ tax status - basically ‘they put up your taxes while avoiding their own’. 🥊 https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1547231435987292160/video/1

    Burnham will sort all that out
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857

    Definitely not continuity Boris then.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,942
    UPDATE: By my calculation only 30% of the publicly declared MPs backing Rishi voted for Brexit. A lower percentage than for Hunt (33%).
    https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/1547231964918423552
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    IanB2 said:

    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857

    Lol. After polls close you don’t pull out, you just lose.
    Not necessarily, he might think he's just scraped through this round but with not enough support to go any further.

    We shall find out soon!
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    edited July 2022
    Pulpstar said:

    Has Sunak recovered to 34% ?! & Penny dropped back ?!

    Yes. The chart is rather useless right now.

    I looked into betdata and it seemed they had some kind of delay. Which makes their product a bit pointless.

    I might pay for a decent real-time product if I could figure out how to integrate it into something useful. Alas it’s beyond my technical abilities, and the product doesn’t seem to be real-time.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    edited July 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    Labour putting out a very punch attack ad about Tory candidates’ tax status - basically ‘they put up your taxes while avoiding their own’. 🥊 https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1547231435987292160/video/1

    As I mentioned on the previous thread - they are going for Sunak. Why? Do they think they’re most likely to face him? Or do they want to destroy his chances?

    AFAIK there’s no suggestion of fancy tax schemes from Truss or Penny, unless someone can enlighten me?
    Probably just behind the curve on Pennymania.

    Though also likely that one of the trio will be CoE.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    Russian forces had already deported two million people from Ukraine to the territory of the Russian Federation, said President Volodymyr Zelensky in his address to the participants of the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul on Wednesday
    https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1547226499903791105
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    edited July 2022
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926

    IanB2 said:

    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857

    Lol. After polls close you don’t pull out, you just lose.
    Not necessarily, he might think he's just scraped through this round but with not enough support to go any further.

    We shall find out soon!
    I fear for your bet that he's gone sub Zahawi.
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    MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    Could Badenoch be the king (Queen?) maker here?

    Maybe not the winner this time, but big help to the team that 'signed' her.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896

    I'm idly mulling over that Penny Mordaunt managed to get cock in the chamber five times and will become PM, whereas poor Neil Parish only watched porn and had to resign his seat.....

    The lady from Portsmouth, does have a sense of humour. https://youtube.com/watch?v=hvLcYUXBBuc
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    Truss is close to overtaking Sunak on Betfair
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Pulpstar said:

    IanB2 said:

    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857

    Lol. After polls close you don’t pull out, you just lose.
    Not necessarily, he might think he's just scraped through this round but with not enough support to go any further.

    We shall find out soon!
    I fear for your bet that he's gone sub Zahawi.
    Yes, might be. Fingers crossed!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,452
    MISTY said:

    Could Badenoch be the king (Queen?) maker here?

    Maybe not the winner this time, but big help to the team that 'signed' her.

    Surely she comes out of this with a cabinet role. Smart money might even be on CoE.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    @GBNews has 409,000 followers
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Yes Badenoch should get a senior position in Cabinet
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    Do the 22 tell the candidates the outcome some while before they announce the result, giving them time to concede gracefully, rather than stand there hearing the outcome whilst openly mouthing "You lying c*nts...."?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    MISTY said:

    Could Badenoch be the king (Queen?) maker here?

    Maybe not the winner this time, but big help to the team that 'signed' her.

    Surely she comes out of this with a cabinet role. Smart money might even be on CoE.

    Not CoE, perhaps Home Office.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    @GBNews has 409,000 followers
    No it’s some guy quoting GB News, or so he claims

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    @GBNews has 409,000 followers
    That tweet is not from the official GBNews Twitter feed. It’s some random guy Tweeting at GBNews.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    New endorsement:

    "Tom Randall, MP for Gedling
    @Tom_Randall
    3h
    The first round of the Conservative Party leadership election takes place today from 1.30pm. I’m backing @KemiBadenoch to be our next leader and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom."

    https://twitter.com/Tom_Randall/status/1547173791238864896
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    If Mordaunt wins this round then it’s basically over?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    If Rishi comes third, the “inevitability” platform he’s carefully constructed is completely demolished.

    Hahaahahahahahahahahaa.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    The commodity prices are all in US$, and if the Fed is going to keep going up 75bps a month…
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,452
    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    I don’t believe that will be true. That said, if it was, Rishi won’t still be in the contest by the end of the day and Penny will probably be destined for the membership vote.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    @GBNews has 409,000 followers
    No it’s some guy quoting GB News, or so he claims

    Couldn't you include his name if that's the case ?
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,810
    edited July 2022
    Meanwhile in Italy, the current bout of brinkmanship about the government comes towards a head before the August holidays.

    The pretext was set up a couple of weeks ago for an M5S walkout during a rare Grillo outing to Rome, with 'a claim that Draghi regarded M5S leader Conte as a no-mark and tried with the party hierarchy to get him removed as party leader.

    The clear the air talks since have resulted in a whole raft of policy demands from M5S around an assistance package or they walk. The conclusion of that threat comes in votes in the next few days.

    Technically the unity government retain a majority even without the diminished M5S bloc, but there are a lot of noises from elsewhere that, if M5S goes we dissolve it there, both from Draghi perhaps resigning, to parties saying, right, September election.

    If not now, then the budget cycle means they'd likely have to fight through till the spring for a GE fairly near full term.

    For a September election though, M5S having caused the end would be unwelcome in the left coalition, which would look to the centre to make its tent competitive. In any case, PM Meloni would loom large.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    @GBNews has 409,000 followers
    That tweet is not from the official GBNews Twitter feed. It’s some random guy Tweeting at GBNews.

    Yes I should have linked the tweet. But I’m on my phone in the bright Montenegrin sun
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    Hopefully Kemi Badenoch can swiftly move into third place at the next ballot.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion


    @GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.

    Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...

    @GBNews has 409,000 followers
    No it’s some guy quoting GB News, or so he claims

    Couldn't you include his name if that's the case ?
    Yes my bad. But I did give a clear steer
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611
    Leon said:

    If Mordaunt wins this round then it’s basically over?

    Mordaunt vs Badenoch was touch and go with the members, and pretty tight vs Truss.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,452
    edited July 2022
    Foxy said:

    MISTY said:

    Could Badenoch be the king (Queen?) maker here?

    Maybe not the winner this time, but big help to the team that 'signed' her.

    Surely she comes out of this with a cabinet role. Smart money might even be on CoE.

    Not CoE, perhaps Home Office.
    Kiss of death if ever there was one….

    I’d be reserving that department for Truss if she loses (you’ve got to keep her in the tent, but…)

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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    Leon said:

    If Mordaunt wins this round then it’s basically over?

    No, anything could happen during the 7 week campaign with members.
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    This is why I ask for everyone to state who a tweet is from, rather than just copying and pasting the tweet
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    Foxy said:

    MISTY said:

    Could Badenoch be the king (Queen?) maker here?

    Maybe not the winner this time, but big help to the team that 'signed' her.

    Surely she comes out of this with a cabinet role. Smart money might even be on CoE.

    Not CoE, perhaps Home Office.
    Kiss of death if ever there was one….

    Exactly...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    Nigelb said:

    Russian forces had already deported two million people from Ukraine to the territory of the Russian Federation, said President Volodymyr Zelensky in his address to the participants of the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul on Wednesday
    https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1547226499903791105

    They risk being "disappeared".

    Russia will murder most of the men and say "they were killed by Ukraine shelling their own cities...."
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    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    Not yet.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,779

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,058

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    Being PM guarantees her recognition. She won't have to fight for attention like the LOTO does.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    Mordaunt shortens again on Betfair

    1.75
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.
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    Omnium said:

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
    Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.

    They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    It'll be interesting to see how close it is for third place between Truss and Badenoch.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.

    Although it is notable that Sunak loses against people nobody has heard of.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    Nigelb said:

    Russian forces had already deported two million people from Ukraine to the territory of the Russian Federation, said President Volodymyr Zelensky in his address to the participants of the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul on Wednesday
    https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1547226499903791105

    They risk being "disappeared".

    Russia will murder most of the men and say "they were killed by Ukraine shelling their own cities...."
    I don't think so. Many of those moved from the destroyed bits of the Donbas would be Russian sympathisers. Indeed more likely the men will be conscripted.

    A fair number of the others have been exiting Russia via other routes still open.

    The children though are more worrying.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,147
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    If Mordaunt wins this round then it’s basically over?

    No, anything could happen during the 7 week campaign with members.
    True

    Unusually for me I’m getting over excited
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,106
    FPT in response to Gardenwalker, posting here simply because it took me a while to write.

    I think there has always been a wide range of views and the so-called "culture wars" have been going on for a long time. In my own family my two sets of grandparents were almost caricature versions of the two sides to the postwar debate (they all grew up in the 1920s, my grandfathers both served in the war).
    On my father's side, my grandfather was a communist when he was at Oxford, my grandmother came from a Welsh nonconformist background; they were active in the Labour Party and CND; they lived in the US for a bit and got involved in the Civil Rights movement. They had gay friends I think. My dad's best friend at school in the early 1950s was black. They were extremely unbigoted, early proponents of wokeness I suppose.
    On my mother's side, her parents grew up poor in Devonport but were both pretty gifted - my grandmother a very talented pianist, my grandfather an engineer. Neither went to university. My grandfather lived in Bermuda for a bit as a teenager where I think he picked up some fairly prejudiced views. He was pretty openly racist as well as being extremely right wing in general. I think my grandmother's views weren't so different although she was better at hiding them (my grandfather was quite often drunk). My grandfather allegedly told his neighbour that my wife was "as black as the ace of spades" after meeting her for the first time. On the other hand they were quite nice to her once they got to know her.
    They were certainly extremely prejudiced but I think that reflected the narrowness of their upbringing and a certain amount of bitterness that they had been held back by their working class origins, as they undoubtedly had been.
    Long and short, my family has been arguing about these "culture war" issues for decades, there is nothing new under the sun.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    Except when she is inevitably put up front, she’ll be a far better speaker than Starmer is
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.

    Another tory disaster member's selection coming?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    edited July 2022
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    The commodity prices are all in US$, and if the Fed is going to keep going up 75bps a month…
    (1) The Fed is not going to keep adding 75bps per month to interest rates. In fact the treasury bond futures have actually dropped 40bps to 3%. I.e., they are pricing in a low likelihood of any further raise in rates this year.

    (2) Pretty much all currencies have dropped against the USD at broadly the same rate, irrespective of whether they are commodity exporters, or what interest rates are. Look at the Australian Dollar vs the US Dollar.

    If you put UK base rates up to 2%, you will be hitting UK consumers in the mortgage at exactly the same moment as they are seeing their petrol, gas and electricity bills rise.

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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965
    Tadej Pogacar cracked today.
    Now in third place.
    Metaphor for Sunak?
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347

    Omnium said:

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
    Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.

    They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
    Starmer was on TV News every night in 2019 trying to stop Brexit with his parlimentary ruses. He was very well known.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    If Kemi, Tom, Penny or Suella win they will be the first mid-parliament change of PM to have not held a great office of state since Douglas-Home
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    edited July 2022
    Maybe four will go out today, and then tomorrow it'll go from four to three candidates left in the contest. (Not necessarily four getting less than 30 votes, but 30 to 35 and deciding to pull out).
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    Omnium said:

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
    Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.

    They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
    Starmer was on TV News every night in 2019 trying to stop Brexit with his parlimentary ruses. He was very well known.
    Not according to polling
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    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.

    Voters, not members.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,452
    edited July 2022

    If Kemi, Tom, Penny or Suella win they will be the first mid-parliament change of PM to have not held a great office of state since Douglas-Home

    Douglas-Home was FS

    Some clever PBer I think worked out you have to go back to the mid 19th century to find a previous instance.
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    RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited July 2022
    Some elements of the media don't seem very clued up or they're leaning on their own outdated research. Sam Coates on Sky seems to think Kemi will go out and has been saying this since yesterday, but I think she'll easily get the 30? Obviously it's a secret ballot but she has momentum.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,779

    Omnium said:

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
    Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.

    They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
    I agree. Slighly baffled by the comment though, but not the first baffling thing you've said and no doubt not the last. I myself.. well ok it's much the same.

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    The commodity prices are all in US$, and if the Fed is going to keep going up 75bps a month…
    I doubt that will continue. Dollar strength will have quite some effect on its own; oil may have peaked; container rates are down a lot etc.

    We'll see what happens, but I can't see the Fed going crazy with a lot more monetary tightening.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,445
    In among the excitement, I'm internally following my own internal thread about covers of tunes in different styles - another one from Boss Hoss: Say a Little Prayer: just lovely. Like letting out a breath you didn't know you'd been holding.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DmF_koHS3s

    And on a different tack, Glitzy Bag Hags. A skiffle version of Super Sharp Shooter. I saw this lot at a festival in Bristol: never have I seen such a euphoric, sweaty, packed dancefloor for a band which no-one had heard of. A better party than in this video, anyway.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATsilisTO9k
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    PhilPhil Posts: 1,939
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    Given that the Fed is set on raising rates & our problem is (mostly) an oil price shock when we’re dependent on oil imports we’re damned if we do & damned if we don’t.

    Don’t raise rates: £ craters even more, oil price goes through the roof when priced in £ and everyone suffers. Do raise rates, push up the price of £ denominsted debt, everyone suffers.

    Everything depends on the second round effects though - pick your poison & hope for the least worst outcome.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Leon said:

    Mordaunt shortens again on Betfair

    1.75

    LOL.

    This is great fun.

    Just laid her for a £10 at those odds.

    I'm very very green on Mordaunt and can afford to take a slight hit in order to bump up my other wins on any of last 8.

    I love an all green market!!!
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,981

    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.

    Yes, this latest round of Pennymania rather seems to ignore the only polling on the real test – how she does against Starmer. She was actually the worst of the candidates surveyed, a 15-point deficit (Badenoch for some reason didn't feature).

    (I must admit her weakness with the public surprised me, but there it is)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    Andy_JS said:

    It'll be interesting to see how close it is for third place between Truss and Badenoch.

    I think that's a very good point - a strong showing for Kemi could allow her to overhaul Truss in the second round, and then it's all to play for.

    At the same time, it's entirely possible that Moduant and Sunak are both at the 80 vote level. In which case it is hard to see anything other than them in the final two.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609

    As @MaxPB says on the other thread, a Mordaunt v Kemi contest would be a great opportunity to air ideas for the future.

    Rishi has no ideas.
    Truss just has no idea full stop.

    Truss is a terrible public speaker.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987

    If Kemi, Tom, Penny or Suella win they will be the first mid-parliament change of PM to have not held a great office of state since Douglas-Home

    If Suella wins, that is the least of my worries.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    IanB2 said:

    I.e. he's been eliminated.

    @DPJHodges
    Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.


    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857

    Lol. After polls close you don’t pull out, you just lose.
    Yes, Javid had the right idea, 'withdrawing' 5 minutes before nomination deadline. Much more dignified.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,374

    FPT in response to Gardenwalker, posting here simply because it took me a while to write.

    I think there has always been a wide range of views and the so-called "culture wars" have been going on for a long time. In my own family my two sets of grandparents were almost caricature versions of the two sides to the postwar debate (they all grew up in the 1920s, my grandfathers both served in the war).
    On my father's side, my grandfather was a communist when he was at Oxford, my grandmother came from a Welsh nonconformist background; they were active in the Labour Party and CND; they lived in the US for a bit and got involved in the Civil Rights movement. They had gay friends I think. My dad's best friend at school in the early 1950s was black. They were extremely unbigoted, early proponents of wokeness I suppose.
    On my mother's side, her parents grew up poor in Devonport but were both pretty gifted - my grandmother a very talented pianist, my grandfather an engineer. Neither went to university. My grandfather lived in Bermuda for a bit as a teenager where I think he picked up some fairly prejudiced views. He was pretty openly racist as well as being extremely right wing in general. I think my grandmother's views weren't so different although she was better at hiding them (my grandfather was quite often drunk). My grandfather allegedly told his neighbour that my wife was "as black as the ace of spades" after meeting her for the first time. On the other hand they were quite nice to her once they got to know her.
    They were certainly extremely prejudiced but I think that reflected the narrowness of their upbringing and a certain amount of bitterness that they had been held back by their working class origins, as they undoubtedly had been.
    Long and short, my family has been arguing about these "culture war" issues for decades, there is nothing new under the sun.

    A colleague once described his own father as Black as the ace of spades. I'm not sure he meant it as racist abuse.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,611

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Mordaunt is probably best placed to defend seats in the blue Shires, though not obvious Red Wall appeal.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,979
    tlg86 said:

    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.

    Voters, not members.
    And it's highly possible that a lot of those voters appear to be going for anyone except Sunak for reasons unknown.

    That Yougov poll isn't so much x is better than Sunak its screaming anyone is better than Sunak.
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    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
    Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.

    They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
    I agree. Slighly baffled by the comment though, but not the first baffling thing you've said and no doubt not the last. I myself.. well ok it's much the same.

    Why baffled? I was saying they’re both unknown and both not proven in any big roles in Government. I’m up for it, they both seem sensible and fairly boring.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Phil said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    Given that the Fed is set on raising rates & our problem is (mostly) an oil price shock when we’re dependent on oil imports we’re damned if we do & damned if we don’t.

    Don’t raise rates: £ craters even more, oil price goes through the roof when priced in £ and everyone suffers. Do raise rates, push up the price of £ denominsted debt, everyone suffers.

    Everything depends on the second round effects though - pick your poison & hope for the least worst outcome.
    It would be nice if our politicians could have grown up conversation along these lines. I'm not holding my breath.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    The Tory plan for a 'What is a woman?' GE would have to be ditched though wouldn't it?

    Penny has too many vid clips and so on from the past on this subject iirc.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,609
    "@MrHarryCole

    Yikes.

    Tory source: “Sir Gavin Williamson ruined the lives of millions of school children and repeatedly embarrassed himself as Education Secretary. It is for Tory MPs to decide whether Rishi Sunak is exercising good judgement in being associated with this man.”

    3:47 PM · Jul 13, 2022"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1547231171842564097
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    TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,708

    Omnium said:

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
    Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.

    They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
    Starmer was on TV News every night in 2019 trying to stop Brexit with his parlimentary ruses. He was very well known.
    He wasn't very good at them was he? He didn't stop it.
    He's learnt nothing from the experience either. He tried to VoNC the government yesterday, got it wrong and it took Boris to do it for him.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744

    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.

    Yes, this latest round of Pennymania rather seems to ignore the only polling on the real test – how she does against Starmer. She was actually the worst of the candidates surveyed, a 15-point deficit (Badenoch for some reason didn't feature).

    (I must admit her weakness with the public surprised me, but there it is)
    I agree with that, but for some reason people have talked up Mordaunt for years on not much evidence, and she really seemed to strike a chord when she entered (and is a fresher face than those currently in Cabinet), so I think she has a better chance of cementing her momentum with the selectorate. While they might still go for Rishi it is clear there is not huge enthusiasm, so they are looking to pin hopes on someone like her.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Cookie said:

    In among the excitement, I'm internally following my own internal thread about covers of tunes in different styles - another one from Boss Hoss: Say a Little Prayer: just lovely. Like letting out a breath you didn't know you'd been holding.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DmF_koHS3s

    And on a different tack, Glitzy Bag Hags. A skiffle version of Super Sharp Shooter. I saw this lot at a festival in Bristol: never have I seen such a euphoric, sweaty, packed dancefloor for a band which no-one had heard of. A better party than in this video, anyway.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATsilisTO9k

    Best cover versions:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ReSV3CCRzg&ab_channel=PostmodernJukebox

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk&ab_channel=PostmodernJukebox

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.

    There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.

    The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.

    The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.

    Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
    I think we're in a slightly odd position that a big interest rate rise to catch up with the Fed will have an outsized effect on near term inflation as most of what we're seeing is commodity price inflation which is related to our weakening currency against USD. I doubt motorists will care that interest rates went up a bit when a clawing back 4-6% against USD brings pump prices down by 10-15p per litre along with a whole host of imported goods that are priced in dollars.

    If it means the likes of Klarna go bankrupt then no one will shed any tears.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,934
    Covid info.... looks like we are at the peak of the current wave right now, hospitalisation growth and case growth are approaching zero (slightly negative for cases today). IF this continues (obvious caveats apply) should both peak and decline lower than original omicron and BA2 wave. And without compulsory mitigations being employed.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,452

    Chris Hopkins @ChrisHopkins92

    New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.

    Sunak 66%
    Truss 33%
    Mordaunt 11%


    So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.

    Yes, this latest round of Pennymania rather seems to ignore the only polling on the real test – how she does against Starmer. She was actually the worst of the candidates surveyed, a 15-point deficit (Badenoch for some reason didn't feature).

    (I must admit her weakness with the public surprised me, but there it is)
    She’s only “weak” because of name recognition. I suspect once she becomes more prominent (and she will) the gap will narrow. Will it fully overturn the deficit? Jury’s out on that one.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Andy_JS said:

    "@MrHarryCole

    Yikes.

    Tory source: “Sir Gavin Williamson ruined the lives of millions of school children and repeatedly embarrassed himself as Education Secretary. It is for Tory MPs to decide whether Rishi Sunak is exercising good judgement in being associated with this man.”

    3:47 PM · Jul 13, 2022"

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1547231171842564097

    It's true, but which candidate does not have some awful backers?
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347

    Mordaunt vs Starmer would be fascinating. I’m up for it

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories

    I thought you liked Starmer?
    Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.

    They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
    I agree. Slighly baffled by the comment though, but not the first baffling thing you've said and no doubt not the last. I myself.. well ok it's much the same.

    Why baffled? I was saying they’re both unknown and both not proven in any big roles in Government. I’m up for it, they both seem sensible and fairly boring.
    I follow politics and until last week I had no idea who Penny Mordaunt was and she is an MP just 20 miles from where I live, in 2019 anyone with any interest in the news knew who SKS was.
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