As I mentioned on the previous thread - they are going for Sunak. Why? Do they think they’re most likely to face him? Or do they want to destroy his chances?
AFAIK there’s no suggestion of fancy tax schemes from Truss or Penny, unless someone can enlighten me?
Has Sunak recovered to 34% ?! & Penny dropped back ?!
Yes. The chart is rather useless right now.
I looked into betdata and it seemed they had some kind of delay. Which makes their product a bit pointless.
I might pay for a decent real-time product if I could figure out how to integrate it into something useful. Alas it’s beyond my technical abilities, and the product doesn’t seem to be real-time.
As I mentioned on the previous thread - they are going for Sunak. Why? Do they think they’re most likely to face him? Or do they want to destroy his chances?
AFAIK there’s no suggestion of fancy tax schemes from Truss or Penny, unless someone can enlighten me?
Probably just behind the curve on Pennymania.
Though also likely that one of the trio will be CoE.
Russian forces had already deported two million people from Ukraine to the territory of the Russian Federation, said President Volodymyr Zelensky in his address to the participants of the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul on Wednesday https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1547226499903791105
I'm idly mulling over that Penny Mordaunt managed to get cock in the chamber five times and will become PM, whereas poor Neil Parish only watched porn and had to resign his seat.....
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
I'm idly mulling over that Penny Mordaunt managed to get cock in the chamber five times and will become PM, whereas poor Neil Parish only watched porn and had to resign his seat.....
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Yes Badenoch should get a senior position in Cabinet
Do the 22 tell the candidates the outcome some while before they announce the result, giving them time to concede gracefully, rather than stand there hearing the outcome whilst openly mouthing "You lying c*nts...."?
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
"Tom Randall, MP for Gedling @Tom_Randall 3h The first round of the Conservative Party leadership election takes place today from 1.30pm. I’m backing @KemiBadenoch to be our next leader and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom."
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
The commodity prices are all in US$, and if the Fed is going to keep going up 75bps a month…
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
I don’t believe that will be true. That said, if it was, Rishi won’t still be in the contest by the end of the day and Penny will probably be destined for the membership vote.
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
Meanwhile in Italy, the current bout of brinkmanship about the government comes towards a head before the August holidays.
The pretext was set up a couple of weeks ago for an M5S walkout during a rare Grillo outing to Rome, with 'a claim that Draghi regarded M5S leader Conte as a no-mark and tried with the party hierarchy to get him removed as party leader.
The clear the air talks since have resulted in a whole raft of policy demands from M5S around an assistance package or they walk. The conclusion of that threat comes in votes in the next few days.
Technically the unity government retain a majority even without the diminished M5S bloc, but there are a lot of noises from elsewhere that, if M5S goes we dissolve it there, both from Draghi perhaps resigning, to parties saying, right, September election.
If not now, then the budget cycle means they'd likely have to fight through till the spring for a GE fairly near full term.
For a September election though, M5S having caused the end would be unwelcome in the left coalition, which would look to the centre to make its tent competitive. In any case, PM Meloni would loom large.
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
Hopefully Kemi Badenoch can swiftly move into third place at the next ballot.
Caveat emptor. This guy has about 200 followers so treat with grave suspicion
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
Russian forces had already deported two million people from Ukraine to the territory of the Russian Federation, said President Volodymyr Zelensky in his address to the participants of the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul on Wednesday https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1547226499903791105
They risk being "disappeared".
Russia will murder most of the men and say "they were killed by Ukraine shelling their own cities...."
Russian forces had already deported two million people from Ukraine to the territory of the Russian Federation, said President Volodymyr Zelensky in his address to the participants of the Asian Leadership Conference in Seoul on Wednesday https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1547226499903791105
They risk being "disappeared".
Russia will murder most of the men and say "they were killed by Ukraine shelling their own cities...."
I don't think so. Many of those moved from the destroyed bits of the Donbas would be Russian sympathisers. Indeed more likely the men will be conscripted.
A fair number of the others have been exiting Russia via other routes still open.
FPT in response to Gardenwalker, posting here simply because it took me a while to write.
I think there has always been a wide range of views and the so-called "culture wars" have been going on for a long time. In my own family my two sets of grandparents were almost caricature versions of the two sides to the postwar debate (they all grew up in the 1920s, my grandfathers both served in the war). On my father's side, my grandfather was a communist when he was at Oxford, my grandmother came from a Welsh nonconformist background; they were active in the Labour Party and CND; they lived in the US for a bit and got involved in the Civil Rights movement. They had gay friends I think. My dad's best friend at school in the early 1950s was black. They were extremely unbigoted, early proponents of wokeness I suppose. On my mother's side, her parents grew up poor in Devonport but were both pretty gifted - my grandmother a very talented pianist, my grandfather an engineer. Neither went to university. My grandfather lived in Bermuda for a bit as a teenager where I think he picked up some fairly prejudiced views. He was pretty openly racist as well as being extremely right wing in general. I think my grandmother's views weren't so different although she was better at hiding them (my grandfather was quite often drunk). My grandfather allegedly told his neighbour that my wife was "as black as the ace of spades" after meeting her for the first time. On the other hand they were quite nice to her once they got to know her. They were certainly extremely prejudiced but I think that reflected the narrowness of their upbringing and a certain amount of bitterness that they had been held back by their working class origins, as they undoubtedly had been. Long and short, my family has been arguing about these "culture war" issues for decades, there is nothing new under the sun.
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
The commodity prices are all in US$, and if the Fed is going to keep going up 75bps a month…
(1) The Fed is not going to keep adding 75bps per month to interest rates. In fact the treasury bond futures have actually dropped 40bps to 3%. I.e., they are pricing in a low likelihood of any further raise in rates this year.
(2) Pretty much all currencies have dropped against the USD at broadly the same rate, irrespective of whether they are commodity exporters, or what interest rates are. Look at the Australian Dollar vs the US Dollar.
If you put UK base rates up to 2%, you will be hitting UK consumers in the mortgage at exactly the same moment as they are seeing their petrol, gas and electricity bills rise.
Maybe four will go out today, and then tomorrow it'll go from four to three candidates left in the contest. (Not necessarily four getting less than 30 votes, but 30 to 35 and deciding to pull out).
Some elements of the media don't seem very clued up or they're leaning on their own outdated research. Sam Coates on Sky seems to think Kemi will go out and has been saying this since yesterday, but I think she'll easily get the 30? Obviously it's a secret ballot but she has momentum.
People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories
I thought you liked Starmer?
Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.
They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
I agree. Slighly baffled by the comment though, but not the first baffling thing you've said and no doubt not the last. I myself.. well ok it's much the same.
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
The commodity prices are all in US$, and if the Fed is going to keep going up 75bps a month…
I doubt that will continue. Dollar strength will have quite some effect on its own; oil may have peaked; container rates are down a lot etc.
We'll see what happens, but I can't see the Fed going crazy with a lot more monetary tightening.
In among the excitement, I'm internally following my own internal thread about covers of tunes in different styles - another one from Boss Hoss: Say a Little Prayer: just lovely. Like letting out a breath you didn't know you'd been holding.
And on a different tack, Glitzy Bag Hags. A skiffle version of Super Sharp Shooter. I saw this lot at a festival in Bristol: never have I seen such a euphoric, sweaty, packed dancefloor for a band which no-one had heard of. A better party than in this video, anyway.
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
Given that the Fed is set on raising rates & our problem is (mostly) an oil price shock when we’re dependent on oil imports we’re damned if we do & damned if we don’t.
Don’t raise rates: £ craters even more, oil price goes through the roof when priced in £ and everyone suffers. Do raise rates, push up the price of £ denominsted debt, everyone suffers.
Everything depends on the second round effects though - pick your poison & hope for the least worst outcome.
New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.
Sunak 66% Truss 33% Mordaunt 11%
So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.
Yes, this latest round of Pennymania rather seems to ignore the only polling on the real test – how she does against Starmer. She was actually the worst of the candidates surveyed, a 15-point deficit (Badenoch for some reason didn't feature).
(I must admit her weakness with the public surprised me, but there it is)
It'll be interesting to see how close it is for third place between Truss and Badenoch.
I think that's a very good point - a strong showing for Kemi could allow her to overhaul Truss in the second round, and then it's all to play for.
At the same time, it's entirely possible that Moduant and Sunak are both at the 80 vote level. In which case it is hard to see anything other than them in the final two.
FPT in response to Gardenwalker, posting here simply because it took me a while to write.
I think there has always been a wide range of views and the so-called "culture wars" have been going on for a long time. In my own family my two sets of grandparents were almost caricature versions of the two sides to the postwar debate (they all grew up in the 1920s, my grandfathers both served in the war). On my father's side, my grandfather was a communist when he was at Oxford, my grandmother came from a Welsh nonconformist background; they were active in the Labour Party and CND; they lived in the US for a bit and got involved in the Civil Rights movement. They had gay friends I think. My dad's best friend at school in the early 1950s was black. They were extremely unbigoted, early proponents of wokeness I suppose. On my mother's side, her parents grew up poor in Devonport but were both pretty gifted - my grandmother a very talented pianist, my grandfather an engineer. Neither went to university. My grandfather lived in Bermuda for a bit as a teenager where I think he picked up some fairly prejudiced views. He was pretty openly racist as well as being extremely right wing in general. I think my grandmother's views weren't so different although she was better at hiding them (my grandfather was quite often drunk). My grandfather allegedly told his neighbour that my wife was "as black as the ace of spades" after meeting her for the first time. On the other hand they were quite nice to her once they got to know her. They were certainly extremely prejudiced but I think that reflected the narrowness of their upbringing and a certain amount of bitterness that they had been held back by their working class origins, as they undoubtedly had been. Long and short, my family has been arguing about these "culture war" issues for decades, there is nothing new under the sun.
A colleague once described his own father as Black as the ace of spades. I'm not sure he meant it as racist abuse.
People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories
I thought you liked Starmer?
Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.
They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
I agree. Slighly baffled by the comment though, but not the first baffling thing you've said and no doubt not the last. I myself.. well ok it's much the same.
Why baffled? I was saying they’re both unknown and both not proven in any big roles in Government. I’m up for it, they both seem sensible and fairly boring.
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
Given that the Fed is set on raising rates & our problem is (mostly) an oil price shock when we’re dependent on oil imports we’re damned if we do & damned if we don’t.
Don’t raise rates: £ craters even more, oil price goes through the roof when priced in £ and everyone suffers. Do raise rates, push up the price of £ denominsted debt, everyone suffers.
Everything depends on the second round effects though - pick your poison & hope for the least worst outcome.
It would be nice if our politicians could have grown up conversation along these lines. I'm not holding my breath.
Tory source: “Sir Gavin Williamson ruined the lives of millions of school children and repeatedly embarrassed himself as Education Secretary. It is for Tory MPs to decide whether Rishi Sunak is exercising good judgement in being associated with this man.”
People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories
I thought you liked Starmer?
Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.
They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
Starmer was on TV News every night in 2019 trying to stop Brexit with his parlimentary ruses. He was very well known.
He wasn't very good at them was he? He didn't stop it. He's learnt nothing from the experience either. He tried to VoNC the government yesterday, got it wrong and it took Boris to do it for him.
New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.
Sunak 66% Truss 33% Mordaunt 11%
So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.
Yes, this latest round of Pennymania rather seems to ignore the only polling on the real test – how she does against Starmer. She was actually the worst of the candidates surveyed, a 15-point deficit (Badenoch for some reason didn't feature).
(I must admit her weakness with the public surprised me, but there it is)
I agree with that, but for some reason people have talked up Mordaunt for years on not much evidence, and she really seemed to strike a chord when she entered (and is a fresher face than those currently in Cabinet), so I think she has a better chance of cementing her momentum with the selectorate. While they might still go for Rishi it is clear there is not huge enthusiasm, so they are looking to pin hopes on someone like her.
In among the excitement, I'm internally following my own internal thread about covers of tunes in different styles - another one from Boss Hoss: Say a Little Prayer: just lovely. Like letting out a breath you didn't know you'd been holding.
And on a different tack, Glitzy Bag Hags. A skiffle version of Super Sharp Shooter. I saw this lot at a festival in Bristol: never have I seen such a euphoric, sweaty, packed dancefloor for a band which no-one had heard of. A better party than in this video, anyway.
Inch by inch the UK seems to be moving away from the more turbulent waters it was in a few weeks ago. Boris being booted has helped but there's also some sense in recent days that the Bank has finally woken up and will push bigger rate rises to combat inflation. Loads of chatter from all over the city around it too so hopefully it's true.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Raising interest rates to slow the economy, when people are already seeing their disposable income squeezed by higher commodity prices would be extremely brave.
I think we're in a slightly odd position that a big interest rate rise to catch up with the Fed will have an outsized effect on near term inflation as most of what we're seeing is commodity price inflation which is related to our weakening currency against USD. I doubt motorists will care that interest rates went up a bit when a clawing back 4-6% against USD brings pump prices down by 10-15p per litre along with a whole host of imported goods that are priced in dollars.
If it means the likes of Klarna go bankrupt then no one will shed any tears.
Covid info.... looks like we are at the peak of the current wave right now, hospitalisation growth and case growth are approaching zero (slightly negative for cases today). IF this continues (obvious caveats apply) should both peak and decline lower than original omicron and BA2 wave. And without compulsory mitigations being employed.
New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.
Sunak 66% Truss 33% Mordaunt 11%
So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.
Yes, this latest round of Pennymania rather seems to ignore the only polling on the real test – how she does against Starmer. She was actually the worst of the candidates surveyed, a 15-point deficit (Badenoch for some reason didn't feature).
(I must admit her weakness with the public surprised me, but there it is)
She’s only “weak” because of name recognition. I suspect once she becomes more prominent (and she will) the gap will narrow. Will it fully overturn the deficit? Jury’s out on that one.
Tory source: “Sir Gavin Williamson ruined the lives of millions of school children and repeatedly embarrassed himself as Education Secretary. It is for Tory MPs to decide whether Rishi Sunak is exercising good judgement in being associated with this man.”
People can’t name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo. Keir Starmer of the Tories
I thought you liked Starmer?
Yes that was a compliment. It’s how Starmer won the leadership.
They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
I agree. Slighly baffled by the comment though, but not the first baffling thing you've said and no doubt not the last. I myself.. well ok it's much the same.
Why baffled? I was saying they’re both unknown and both not proven in any big roles in Government. I’m up for it, they both seem sensible and fairly boring.
I follow politics and until last week I had no idea who Penny Mordaunt was and she is an MP just 20 miles from where I live, in 2019 anyone with any interest in the news knew who SKS was.
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Rumours circulating Hunt preparing to pull out.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1547230238660345857
AFAIK there’s no suggestion of fancy tax schemes from Truss or Penny, unless someone can enlighten me?
https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/1547231964918423552
We shall find out soon!
I looked into betdata and it seemed they had some kind of delay. Which makes their product a bit pointless.
I might pay for a decent real-time product if I could figure out how to integrate it into something useful. Alas it’s beyond my technical abilities, and the product doesn’t seem to be real-time.
Though also likely that one of the trio will be CoE.
https://twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1547226499903791105
@GBNEWS 🚨 | BREAKING: Understand from a top '22 committee source that Penny Mordaunt surpasses Sunak in a startlingly unexpected outcome, with Liz Truss knocking Rishi out of the park and securing second place in the MPs' ballots.
Further proof that it's always the undeclared votes...
French Senate finds Liverpool fans were unfairly blamed for unrest.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jul/13/liverpool-fans-unfairly-blamed-for-champions-league-final-chaos-paris-french-senate-report
Maybe not the winner this time, but big help to the team that 'signed' her.
There's going to be a few more tough months IMO but then we'll start to see base effects kick in because energy costs had already begun to surge in late 2021 and all we'll be left with is the effect of weaker sterling (still substantial tbf) by the start of next year.
The next PM needs to get a handle on costs and get moving with huge supply side reform. Kemi gets it, the sticking plaster rebates are addressing the symptoms of inflation rather than the cause (not enough investment in electricity generation) and we need to get moving with solving our deep economic to unlock future growth and the nation's potential rather than just giving away minor one off rebates.
The Tories would do well to get Kemi in the final two so she gets a national platform to speak about her ideas.
Rishi has no ideas.
Truss just has no idea full stop.
"Tom Randall, MP for Gedling
@Tom_Randall
3h
The first round of the Conservative Party leadership election takes place today from 1.30pm. I’m backing @KemiBadenoch to be our next leader and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom."
https://twitter.com/Tom_Randall/status/1547173791238864896
Hahaahahahahahahahahaa.
The pretext was set up a couple of weeks ago for an M5S walkout during a rare Grillo outing to Rome, with 'a claim that Draghi regarded M5S leader Conte as a no-mark and tried with the party hierarchy to get him removed as party leader.
The clear the air talks since have resulted in a whole raft of policy demands from M5S around an assistance package or they walk. The conclusion of that threat comes in votes in the next few days.
Technically the unity government retain a majority even without the diminished M5S bloc, but there are a lot of noises from elsewhere that, if M5S goes we dissolve it there, both from Draghi perhaps resigning, to parties saying, right, September election.
If not now, then the budget cycle means they'd likely have to fight through till the spring for a GE fairly near full term.
For a September election though, M5S having caused the end would be unwelcome in the left coalition, which would look to the centre to make its tent competitive. In any case, PM Meloni would loom large.
Yes I should have linked the tweet. But I’m on my phone in the bright Montenegrin sun
I’d be reserving that department for Truss if she loses (you’ve got to keep her in the tent, but…)
Russia will murder most of the men and say "they were killed by Ukraine shelling their own cities...."
1.75
New poll from @SavantaComRes finds just 11% of the public and 16% of Conservative voters can correctly name Penny Mordaunt when shown a photo of her.
Sunak 66%
Truss 33%
Mordaunt 11%
So I recommend caution in jumping to conclusions on current polling about their popularity.
They’d both be fine as leaders in my view
A fair number of the others have been exiting Russia via other routes still open.
The children though are more worrying.
Unusually for me I’m getting over excited
I think there has always been a wide range of views and the so-called "culture wars" have been going on for a long time. In my own family my two sets of grandparents were almost caricature versions of the two sides to the postwar debate (they all grew up in the 1920s, my grandfathers both served in the war).
On my father's side, my grandfather was a communist when he was at Oxford, my grandmother came from a Welsh nonconformist background; they were active in the Labour Party and CND; they lived in the US for a bit and got involved in the Civil Rights movement. They had gay friends I think. My dad's best friend at school in the early 1950s was black. They were extremely unbigoted, early proponents of wokeness I suppose.
On my mother's side, her parents grew up poor in Devonport but were both pretty gifted - my grandmother a very talented pianist, my grandfather an engineer. Neither went to university. My grandfather lived in Bermuda for a bit as a teenager where I think he picked up some fairly prejudiced views. He was pretty openly racist as well as being extremely right wing in general. I think my grandmother's views weren't so different although she was better at hiding them (my grandfather was quite often drunk). My grandfather allegedly told his neighbour that my wife was "as black as the ace of spades" after meeting her for the first time. On the other hand they were quite nice to her once they got to know her.
They were certainly extremely prejudiced but I think that reflected the narrowness of their upbringing and a certain amount of bitterness that they had been held back by their working class origins, as they undoubtedly had been.
Long and short, my family has been arguing about these "culture war" issues for decades, there is nothing new under the sun.
(2) Pretty much all currencies have dropped against the USD at broadly the same rate, irrespective of whether they are commodity exporters, or what interest rates are. Look at the Australian Dollar vs the US Dollar.
If you put UK base rates up to 2%, you will be hitting UK consumers in the mortgage at exactly the same moment as they are seeing their petrol, gas and electricity bills rise.
Now in third place.
Metaphor for Sunak?
Some clever PBer I think worked out you have to go back to the mid 19th century to find a previous instance.
We'll see what happens, but I can't see the Fed going crazy with a lot more monetary tightening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DmF_koHS3s
And on a different tack, Glitzy Bag Hags. A skiffle version of Super Sharp Shooter. I saw this lot at a festival in Bristol: never have I seen such a euphoric, sweaty, packed dancefloor for a band which no-one had heard of. A better party than in this video, anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATsilisTO9k
Don’t raise rates: £ craters even more, oil price goes through the roof when priced in £ and everyone suffers. Do raise rates, push up the price of £ denominsted debt, everyone suffers.
Everything depends on the second round effects though - pick your poison & hope for the least worst outcome.
This is great fun.
Just laid her for a £10 at those odds.
I'm very very green on Mordaunt and can afford to take a slight hit in order to bump up my other wins on any of last 8.
I love an all green market!!!
(I must admit her weakness with the public surprised me, but there it is)
At the same time, it's entirely possible that Moduant and Sunak are both at the 80 vote level. In which case it is hard to see anything other than them in the final two.
That Yougov poll isn't so much x is better than Sunak its screaming anyone is better than Sunak.
Penny has too many vid clips and so on from the past on this subject iirc.
Yikes.
Tory source: “Sir Gavin Williamson ruined the lives of millions of school children and repeatedly embarrassed himself as Education Secretary. It is for Tory MPs to decide whether Rishi Sunak is exercising good judgement in being associated with this man.”
3:47 PM · Jul 13, 2022"
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1547231171842564097
He's learnt nothing from the experience either. He tried to VoNC the government yesterday, got it wrong and it took Boris to do it for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ReSV3CCRzg&ab_channel=PostmodernJukebox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk&ab_channel=PostmodernJukebox
If it means the likes of Klarna go bankrupt then no one will shed any tears.