It feels like it is all over for the PM now, one way or another. But it is worth pausing to consider what a dramatic fall from grace it is. In political terms, it is only 5 minutes since he won his party a large majority. It is unprecedented, certainly in modern times. https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
He won the Tories their biggest majority since Thatcher in 1987 in 2019 and they will now likely have to wait another 30 years to match it
Do you in your heart of hearts still think he’s the right person for the job?
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
It feels like it is all over for the PM now, one way or another. But it is worth pausing to consider what a dramatic fall from grace it is. In political terms, it is only 5 minutes since he won his party a large majority. It is unprecedented, certainly in modern times. https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
He won the Tories their biggest majority since Thatcher in 1987 in 2019 and they will now likely have to wait another 30 years to match it
Well yes. Arguably the first of those because of Boris and the second also because of Boris.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
I'll give Johnson appointing Kate Bingham as a call he got right...
The Kate Bingham who said we wouldn't want to vaccinate the whole adult population because the risk of side effects was too great?
If that was one of his good calls, I'd hate to consider the bad ones!
Did she specifically say that? And when? Often population effects only become clear after much wider use (as in the AZ clotting problem) as 1 in 10,000 odds don't show up in trial data that well.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
On a clear day from the top of Black Combe you can see Blackpool Tower to the south, the Isle of Man to the West and Scotland to the North.
Not quite the same thing, but from the top of the (man-made) hill in our village, you can see a solar farm, a wind pump, an oldy-worlde windmill (the oldest surviving windmill in the UK), and a modern wind farm. All within a few miles of the top of the hill.
I want someone to put in a small water turbine by the lakes so I can add that to the list.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Totally true, but partygate was wot did it. There is visceral anger about it in the nation at large.
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
Brazenly lying to Westminster about Partygate was the point of no return. There are certain naughty games you can play around the edges, but there has been a convention that coming to the House means you are telling it straight. It may only be a convention, but it is one which has the power to destroy careers. As we are witnessing.
My position this year has been entirely based upon this convention being sacrosanct.
I think you can get away with one or two lies to Parliament, but not endless lies, and you can't get away - these days - with covering up for sex offenders.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
I got 72, some lobsters and some robots. I killed my best friend because he wouldn't want me to kill five people on his behalf.
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
I got 94. I am clearly a psychopath and need to embrace this new revelation.
I got less than half that by being a rigorous neoDarwinist and Hamiltonian. Very striking discrepancy!
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
I have seen Ireland (Wicklow) from Carnedd Llewellyn in Snowdonia. I believe I've also seen the Cheviots from the Cairngorms (in mid winter), which is over 100 miles. Might even have a photograph of that one.
But apparently the longest possible view in the UK is Snowdon from The Merrick in the Scottish Borders, which is 144 miles. The reverse is apparently not possible as you cannot pick the summit out from the foreground.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
Without that damned virus, he would have gone 18 months ago...
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
He always was completely inappropriate. You are just clutching at your Brexit straw. People like you are the reason the country is in this fucked up mess. Sorry to spoil your day, Barty, but you have no judgement. Anyone who ever thought a lying philandering lazy fat incompetent oaf like Johnson was suitable for our highest position in the land has no judgement, or at the very kindest assessment has a massive blind spot. There were other people who could have pretended to believe in Brexit who would have stood a chance of delivering it. Even Gove was a better prospect; a complete tosser but at least he is competent.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
Only if 'Getting Brexit Done' is 1. considered to be correct (NI Protocol) 2. considered to be a good thing. Neither of these is likely to be the case.
"Getting Brexit Done" was required, for the political system to work again. It spent 2 years completely derailing Westminster.
... and left us with many moderate and competent Tory MPs being ousted and ministers being chosen for their Brexit views rather than competence. Dorries, Braverman etc wouldn't be in any cabinet other than Boris's.
That's what happens when people try to overturn the biggest democratic vote in British history.
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
I have seen Ireland (Wicklow) from Carnedd Llewellyn in Snowdonia. I believe I've also seen the Cheviots from the Cairngorms (in mid winter), which is over 100 miles. Might even have a photograph of that one.
But apparently the longest possible view in the UK is Snowdon from The Merrick in the Scottish Borders, which is 144 miles. The reverse is apparently not possible as you cannot pick the summit out from the foreground.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
I got 72, some lobsters and some robots. I killed my best friend because he wouldn't want me to kill five people on his behalf.
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
I got 94. I am clearly a psychopath and need to embrace this new revelation.
I stopped doing it when I had to decide between my life savings and killing 5 people and didn't like I hesitated. It upset me so I stopped.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
You exemplify perfectly the sort of person who still does not get it.
He was not the right person.
He got Brexit "done" (not that it is)
Yes, it is - the logjam in parliament (caused by hundreds of MPs refusing to accept the people's verdict) has been broken and the UK has left the EU.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
I got 72, some lobsters and some robots. I killed my best friend because he wouldn't want me to kill five people on his behalf.
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
I got 94. I am clearly a psychopath and need to embrace this new revelation.
I just reframed every question so that it was Boris Johnson on the other track, and it suddenly was much easier to answer.
Question now is the manner of his departure. I’m expecting it to be characterised by Trumpian gracelessness and empty self-justification, but am willing to be pleasantly surprised. It really would be better for the country, if for once, he quietly accepted that it is right that he should go.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
I'll give Johnson appointing Kate Bingham as a call he got right...
The Kate Bingham who said we wouldn't want to vaccinate the whole adult population because the risk of side effects was too great?
If that was one of his good calls, I'd hate to consider the bad ones!
Did she specifically say that? And when? Often population effects only become clear after much wider use (as in the AZ clotting problem) as 1 in 10,000 odds don't show up in trial data that well.
Yes, of course she said that.
And why one wouldn't want to vaccinate against a disease with around 1% infection fatality rate, because of side effects that didn't show up in a trial of 30-40,000 people is still a complete mystery to me. God knows what a mess we'd still be in now if her advice then had been followed.
It feels like it is all over for the PM now, one way or another. But it is worth pausing to consider what a dramatic fall from grace it is. In political terms, it is only 5 minutes since he won his party a large majority. It is unprecedented, certainly in modern times. https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
He won the Tories their biggest majority since Thatcher in 1987 in 2019 and they will now likely have to wait another 30 years to match it
Then again, we may have electoral reform and any one party would then struggle to win a majority ever again.
Senior Tories now telling me they expect one of Boris Johnson's inner circle, possibly Canzini, to tell him it's time to stop. PM isn't quite there psychologically, they think, but needs a hand on the shoulder from someone who he trusts. https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/1544672872530153476
The fundamentally untrustworthy do not trust anyone.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
the problem there is, is there anyone really suitable? Remember Boris got rid of a lot of the sane options back in 2019 when he withdraw the whip and then called an election...
We can argue for ever about the sanity of a Conservative MP - a CONSERVATIVE MP - trying to block Brexit by ever more tortuous schemes and manoeuvres.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
Please, oh please, could I be on that panel?
Damn it, your the Chair!
Oh good.
Hours of fun!
I've updated some of my AML worksheets and here's one question you will like.
A client has given you hundreds of thousands of pounds in suitcases which you accept, are you
What's idiotic is that if he'd resigned last night he'd have been able to set the timetable for his own leaving to go beyond Theresa May's tenure. Now I'm not so sure. Everything he does is about surviving until tomorrow and now he'll be removed tomorrow.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
You exemplify perfectly the sort of person who still does not get it.
He was not the right person.
He got Brexit "done" (not that it is) by lying. And those lies have poisoned and are continuing to poison the Tory party and British politics generally. Until that poison is drained and those lies confronted and truth spoken politics - and the Tory party - in particular will continue to circle the drain and disappear down it.
I get it, but I disagree with you. By 2016 and 2019 all major politicians had lied on the subject of Europe. Too many politicians think their own white lies are OK if it furthers their agenda and Boris may be unique int the volume of them, but not the telling of them. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Corbyn, Starmer, Grieve etc all told outright lies on the subject of Europe.
That is one reason why people voted for Brexit, because they were fed up of the lies, and then politicians opposed to Brexit lied their way into trying to frustrate how people had voted - so Boris was the right person regrettably to resolve that dilemma - like the famous saying of Nixon to China.
However, we aren't in 2019 anymore. Nixon's gone to China, Brexit is done, there is no reason to keep Nixon on now. Dealing with the poison is the priority now. Time to put the lies behind us, get rid of Boris, and try to rebuild.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
He always was completely inappropriate. You are just clutching at your Brexit straw. People like you are the reason the country is in this fucked up mess. Sorry to spoil your day, Barty, but you have no judgement. Anyone who ever thought a lying philandering lazy fat incompetent oaf like Johnson was suitable for our highest position in the land has no judgement, or at the very kindest assessment has a massive blind spot. There were other people who could have pretended to believe in Brexit who would have stood a chance of delivering it. Even Gove was a better prospect; a complete tosser but at least he is competent.
Talking of f8cked up messes, checked out the mighty euro in the currency markets recently?
It has been a privilege to be a PPS for a short term in the DLUHC department and steer important reforms through for not just my constituency but the wider country.
My statement on the situation can be seen on my Facebook page here.
Preparing to re-generate as an uber-loyal fan of whoever the Hell the Tory Party serves up next.
He might surprise - he's talked about junking an election winner leading to GE losses, of 'loyalists' continuing to fight even if Boris is removed - he might be a Borisite first and a Tory second after all
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
I got 72, some lobsters and some robots. I killed my best friend because he wouldn't want me to kill five people on his behalf.
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
I got 94. I am clearly a psychopath and need to embrace this new revelation.
Running it again I managed to get 35 - which I suspect is the lowest possible score.
Although technically the score is going to be 40 as the lobsters will now be boiled alive rather than dying first.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
Please, oh please, could I be on that panel?
Damn it, your the Chair!
Oh good.
Hours of fun!
I've updated some of my AML worksheets and here's one question you will like.
A client has given you hundreds of thousands of pounds in suitcases which you accept, are you
1) The Prince of Wales
2) Committing an AML violation
3) Both
You forgot option 4) - a total fucking idiot with such poor judgment that you shouldn't be allowed to cross the street unaided.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
Please, oh please, could I be on that panel?
Damn it, your the Chair!
Oh good.
Hours of fun!
I've updated some of my AML worksheets and here's one question you will like.
A client has given you hundreds of thousands of pounds in suitcases which you accept, are you
1) The Prince of Wales
2) Committing an AML violation
3) Both
The Prince of Wales doesn't have clients so on that technicality it's 2 rather than 3.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
Please, oh please, could I be on that panel?
Damn it, your the Chair!
Oh good.
Hours of fun!
I've updated some of my AML worksheets and here's one question you will like.
A client has given you hundreds of thousands of pounds in suitcases which you accept, are you
1) The Prince of Wales
2) Committing an AML violation
3) Both
You forgot option 4) - a total fucking idiot with such poor judgment that you shouldn't be allowed to cross the street unaided.
May had a lot of resignations, but they were about policy differences, not merely that she was untrustworthy. Corbyn had about as many but that demonstrates why you shouldn't survive it even if you can.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
He always was completely inappropriate. You are just clutching at your Brexit straw. People like you are the reason the country is in this fucked up mess. Sorry to spoil your day, Barty, but you have no judgement. Anyone who ever thought a lying philandering lazy fat incompetent oaf like Johnson was suitable for our highest position in the land has no judgement, or at the very kindest assessment has a massive blind spot. There were other people who could have pretended to believe in Brexit who would have stood a chance of delivering it. Even Gove was a better prospect; a complete tosser but at least he is competent.
Talking of f8cked up messes, checked out the mighty euro in the currency markets recently?
If you are suggesting I was ever in favour of us joining the Euro you are laughably off beam.
May I just say, and I’m sure that @HYUFD will heartily agree, what a pleasure it is to have an Education Secretary who went to a comprehensive school and is on record as being wholly opposed to Grammar schools… long may it last…
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
Please, oh please, could I be on that panel?
Damn it, your the Chair!
Oh good.
Hours of fun!
I've updated some of my AML worksheets and here's one question you will like.
A client has given you hundreds of thousands of pounds in suitcases which you accept, are you
1) The Prince of Wales
2) Committing an AML violation
3) Both
You forgot option 4) - a total fucking idiot with such poor judgment that you shouldn't be allowed to cross the street unaided.
Your final option then becomes All of the Above.
[treason?] Is that not covered by option 1? [/treason?]
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Totally true, but partygate was wot did it. There is visceral anger about it in the nation at large.
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
I really do not detect a lot of visceral anger about partygate apart from in the political fraternity.
I suspect there was a lot of synthetic anger about that.
There is more anger about the cost of living crisis. That is going to doom the whole government not just Boris.
Odd - I get a lot of anger from people about partygate from non- political people.
Non-political people are probably less cynical than those of us experienced in politicians' doings, and therefore are probably more surprised that the politicians didn't follow the pointless rules.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
You exemplify perfectly the sort of person who still does not get it.
He was not the right person.
He got Brexit "done" (not that it is) by lying. And those lies have poisoned and are continuing to poison the Tory party and British politics generally. Until that poison is drained and those lies confronted and truth spoken politics - and the Tory party - in particular will continue to circle the drain and disappear down it.
I get it, but I disagree with you. By 2016 and 2019 all major politicians had lied on the subject of Europe. Too many politicians think their own white lies are OK if it furthers their agenda and Boris may be unique int the volume of them, but not the telling of them. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Corbyn, Starmer, Grieve etc all told outright lies on the subject of Europe.
That is one reason why people voted for Brexit, because they were fed up of the lies, and then politicians opposed to Brexit lied their way into trying to frustrate how people had voted - so Boris was the right person regrettably to resolve that dilemma - like the famous saying of Nixon to China.
However, we aren't in 2019 anymore. Nixon's gone to China, Brexit is done, there is no reason to keep Nixon on now. Dealing with the poison is the priority now. Time to put the lies behind us, get rid of Boris, and try to rebuild.
We are still lying to ourselves about Europe only now we're lying to ourselves about Brexit. Only when we confront those lies can we find a way forward. This is not about reversing the decision in any sense. It has been made. But we cannot find a sensible way forward until we realise that we are deluding ourselves about what Brexit means for us. We need to be honest about what it means. Then we can try and find a way forward.
I do not see that honesty yet - either in the Tories or, frankly, in Labour. So I think the European question will continue to gnaw away at our politics with baleful consequences for us all.
Senior Tories now telling me they expect one of Boris Johnson's inner circle, possibly Canzini, to tell him it's time to stop. PM isn't quite there psychologically, they think, but needs a hand on the shoulder from someone who he trusts. https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/1544672872530153476
The fundamentally untrustworthy do not trust anyone.
iirc that the biographers have said the only person he ever listened to about these things was Marina, the second wife.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
He always was completely inappropriate. You are just clutching at your Brexit straw. People like you are the reason the country is in this fucked up mess. Sorry to spoil your day, Barty, but you have no judgement. Anyone who ever thought a lying philandering lazy fat incompetent oaf like Johnson was suitable for our highest position in the land has no judgement, or at the very kindest assessment has a massive blind spot. There were other people who could have pretended to believe in Brexit who would have stood a chance of delivering it. Even Gove was a better prospect; a complete tosser but at least he is competent.
I have judgement, just different priorities to you. My #1 priority being that democracy must be respected - if Jeremy Corbyn won the election I would rather see him in Downing Street, as much as I'd loathe that, than a military coup that removed him in favour of someone I would much prefer like David Cameron.
Parliament removing the PM is entirely democratic. Boris has served his purpose and Parliament can now remove him.
If I had a time machine back to 2019, knowing everything I know now, I would still support Boris all over again. He was right for then, but then is not now.
Corbyn is gone. Brexit is done. Article 50 quagmire is over. All that remains is Boris, and Boris can fuck right off now the rest is gone.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
He always was completely inappropriate. You are just clutching at your Brexit straw. People like you are the reason the country is in this fucked up mess. Sorry to spoil your day, Barty, but you have no judgement. Anyone who ever thought a lying philandering lazy fat incompetent oaf like Johnson was suitable for our highest position in the land has no judgement, or at the very kindest assessment has a massive blind spot. There were other people who could have pretended to believe in Brexit who would have stood a chance of delivering it. Even Gove was a better prospect; a complete tosser but at least he is competent.
Talking of f8cked up messes, checked out the mighty euro in the currency markets recently?
Would that be the mighty Euro that is trading at almost exactly it's one year average against Sterling?
May I just say, and I’m sure that @HYUFD will heartily agree, what a pleasure it is to have an Education Secretary who went to a comprehensive school and is on record as being wholly opposed to Grammar schools… long may it last…
What's idiotic is that if he'd resigned last night he'd have been able to set the timetable for his own leaving to go beyond Theresa May's tenure. Now I'm not so sure. Everything he does is about surviving until tomorrow and now he'll be removed tomorrow.
He is the type of person who always hopes something will come up. If not there is always some totty that he can shag instead.
This committee is utterly surreal. A prime minister in his final hours promising to hold meetings he will never get to hold about policies he will never get to implement. It’s bonkers. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544687453889495040
Note - We don't have interim PMs, we have full fat PMs, no acting Presidents like those treasonous colonials in America.
If he flounces we already have a DPM. Someone needs to explain to me how the Private Secretary to The Queen doesn't call in Raaaaab in that circumstance and instead calls the rejected former PM?
May I just say, and I’m sure that @HYUFD will heartily agree, what a pleasure it is to have an Education Secretary who went to a comprehensive school and is on record as being wholly opposed to Grammar schools… long may it last…
Not very long by the look of things. She was obviously not taught at her comprehensive school that it is not a good idea to flirt with boys from Eton. It might just end up being a one night stand.
It feels like it is all over for the PM now, one way or another. But it is worth pausing to consider what a dramatic fall from grace it is. In political terms, it is only 5 minutes since he won his party a large majority. It is unprecedented, certainly in modern times. https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
He won the Tories their biggest majority since Thatcher in 1987 in 2019 and they will now likely have to wait another 30 years to match it
The first part is true. The second part is a pessimistic opinion, but if true it will be because of Boris. It is Boris (and those not acting against him) that have caused it. Under any other leader the Tories might well lose because of sheer longevity of the Tory govt, but might come back in 5 years. Boris may put them in the wilderness as you say, but it is Boris' fault.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
He always was completely inappropriate. You are just clutching at your Brexit straw. People like you are the reason the country is in this fucked up mess. Sorry to spoil your day, Barty, but you have no judgement. Anyone who ever thought a lying philandering lazy fat incompetent oaf like Johnson was suitable for our highest position in the land has no judgement, or at the very kindest assessment has a massive blind spot. There were other people who could have pretended to believe in Brexit who would have stood a chance of delivering it. Even Gove was a better prospect; a complete tosser but at least he is competent.
Talking of f8cked up messes, checked out the mighty euro in the currency markets recently?
If you are suggesting I was ever in favour of us joining the Euro you are laughably off beam.
What I am suggesting , respectfully, is that things are just as bad inside the EU as they are out of it and possibly much worse.
The weakest EU economies are preventing the ECB from using interest rates to control inflation, and goodness knows where prices could get to there this winter as a result.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
You exemplify perfectly the sort of person who still does not get it.
He was not the right person.
He got Brexit "done" (not that it is) by lying. And those lies have poisoned and are continuing to poison the Tory party and British politics generally. Until that poison is drained and those lies confronted and truth spoken politics - and the Tory party - in particular will continue to circle the drain and disappear down it.
I get it, but I disagree with you. By 2016 and 2019 all major politicians had lied on the subject of Europe. Too many politicians think their own white lies are OK if it furthers their agenda and Boris may be unique int the volume of them, but not the telling of them. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Corbyn, Starmer, Grieve etc all told outright lies on the subject of Europe.
That is one reason why people voted for Brexit, because they were fed up of the lies, and then politicians opposed to Brexit lied their way into trying to frustrate how people had voted - so Boris was the right person regrettably to resolve that dilemma - like the famous saying of Nixon to China.
However, we aren't in 2019 anymore. Nixon's gone to China, Brexit is done, there is no reason to keep Nixon on now. Dealing with the poison is the priority now. Time to put the lies behind us, get rid of Boris, and try to rebuild.
We are still lying to ourselves about Europe only now we're lying to ourselves about Brexit. Only when we confront those lies can we find a way forward. This is not about reversing the decision in any sense. It has been made. But we cannot find a sensible way forward until we realise that we are deluding ourselves about what Brexit means for us. We need to be honest about what it means. Then we can try and find a way forward.
I do not see that honesty yet - either in the Tories or, frankly, in Labour. So I think the European question will continue to gnaw away at our politics with baleful consequences for us all.
Labour I believe (albeit I haven't seen the person I usually ask about such things for a while) that talking about Brexit is merely going to open up wounds and lose them potential votes. Best to ignore it at the next election and focus on other matters
May I just say, and I’m sure that @HYUFD will heartily agree, what a pleasure it is to have an Education Secretary who went to a comprehensive school and is on record as being wholly opposed to Grammar schools… long may it last…
Very good, but what are the odds of it lasting more than a week or two?
Note - We don't have interim PMs, we have full fat PMs, no acting Presidents like those treasonous colonials in America.
If he flounces we already have a DPM. Someone needs to explain to me how the Private Secretary to The Queen doesn't call in Raaaaab in that circumstance and instead calls the rejected former PM?
Same reason Nick Clegg wouldn't have become PM if David Cameron fell under a bus.
The PM needs to command a majority of the Commons, I don't think Raab will get that.
Maybe it's just me but do we need all these junior Ministers no-one has ever heard of. What the fuck have they been doing all this time? What is the point of them?
Aren't they the political equivalent of all those middle managers firms suddenly realised they didn't need during Covid and WFH?
Note - We don't have interim PMs, we have full fat PMs, no acting Presidents like those treasonous colonials in America.
If he flounces we already have a DPM. Someone needs to explain to me how the Private Secretary to The Queen doesn't call in Raaaaab in that circumstance and instead calls the rejected former PM?
The Palace would not want to call in someone who is planning to run for leader if there is a contest as it would provide them with a massive step-up in the campaign and the Queen must be seen to be neutral.
Could this be Johnson's 6/1/2020 but without the weaponry?
No. He's not near that yet - his biggest threat of a suicidal general election blows up the Tories, but not the country. Starmer waltzes in very easily if he's prepared to push it that far.
The Liaison Committee. Tobias Ellwood brought the PM back to his scorn about tanks from the previous committee meeting. Lists in painful detail all of the cuts that Johnson has made. Every weapons system and troop that we do not have any more.
Johnson's response? We have spent huge amounts of money. Then when pressed further says "NATO think we are marvellous".
He is a fool. Cannot accept reality even when it is groping male Tory spads in the Carlton Club.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Totally true, but partygate was wot did it. There is visceral anger about it in the nation at large.
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
Brazenly lying to Westminster about Partygate was the point of no return. There are certain naughty games you can play around the edges, but there has been a convention that coming to the House means you are telling it straight. It may only be a convention, but it is one which has the power to destroy careers. As we are witnessing.
My position this year has been entirely based upon this convention being sacrosanct.
It mortally wounded him even if he survived it initially. It weakened his ability to call on them to defend him again, though he treated them with such contempt he must have thought himself invincible afterwards.
Maybe it's just me but do we need all these junior Ministers no-one has ever heard of. What the fuck have they been doing all this time? What is the point of them?
Aren't they the political equivalent of all those middle managers firms suddenly realised they didn't need during Covid and WFH?
Patronage, surely. In a party which is always going on about cutting civil service jobs. Cobbett would not be impressed.
This committee is utterly surreal. A prime minister in his final hours promising to hold meetings he will never get to hold about policies he will never get to implement. It’s bonkers. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544687453889495040
Well, I guess even the Blessed Margaret had one or two final meetings that had to be ticked off before going.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
He always was completely inappropriate. You are just clutching at your Brexit straw. People like you are the reason the country is in this fucked up mess. Sorry to spoil your day, Barty, but you have no judgement. Anyone who ever thought a lying philandering lazy fat incompetent oaf like Johnson was suitable for our highest position in the land has no judgement, or at the very kindest assessment has a massive blind spot. There were other people who could have pretended to believe in Brexit who would have stood a chance of delivering it. Even Gove was a better prospect; a complete tosser but at least he is competent.
Talking of f8cked up messes, checked out the mighty euro in the currency markets recently?
If you are suggesting I was ever in favour of us joining the Euro you are laughably off beam.
What I am suggesting , respectfully, is that things are just as bad inside the EU as they are out of it and possibly much worse.
The weakest EU economies are preventing the ECB from using interest rates to control inflation, and goodness knows where prices could get to there this winter as a result.
Possibly, but my objection to Brexit was that it was damaging and pointless. I have been proved right, just as I have been proved right on my judgement of Boris Johnson. As a right of centre person, I think I was probably in a minority of one holding the latter view on here at one time. I definitely am not correct on all things, but on those two, I will continue to say I told you so, and enjoy it.
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I want someone to put in a small water turbine by the lakes so I can add that to the list.
Hours of fun!
And why one wouldn't want to vaccinate against a disease with around 1% infection fatality rate, because of side effects that didn't show up in a trial of 30-40,000 people is still a complete mystery to me. God knows what a mess we'd still be in now if her advice then had been followed.
I can't say I miss them.
A client has given you hundreds of thousands of pounds in suitcases which you accept, are you
1) The Prince of Wales
2) Committing an AML regulation violation
3) Both
That is one reason why people voted for Brexit, because they were fed up of the lies, and then politicians opposed to Brexit lied their way into trying to frustrate how people had voted - so Boris was the right person regrettably to resolve that dilemma - like the famous saying of Nixon to China.
However, we aren't in 2019 anymore. Nixon's gone to China, Brexit is done, there is no reason to keep Nixon on now. Dealing with the poison is the priority now. Time to put the lies behind us, get rid of Boris, and try to rebuild.
Talking of f8cked up messes, checked out the mighty euro in the currency markets recently?
My statement on the situation can be seen on my Facebook page here.
https://www.facebook.com/100058078118504/posts/pfbid0N7mRbg8P6ZpuTkzfWWfX3TnXQctcu2F6vfKG4YpsdLGxJoCvbVTzGd8X3QmM3UhTl/?d=n https://twitter.com/duncancbaker/status/1544685122376679424/photo/1
Although technically the score is going to be 40 as the lobsters will now be boiled alive rather than dying first.
Note - We don't have interim PMs, we have full fat PMs, no acting Presidents like those treasonous colonials in America.
Your final option then becomes All of the Above.
With one on May - big pay out.
Although I suspect BF will pull some kind of stunt about interim not counting even though the rules appear clear.
Bizarrely, I seem to have put £2 on Ken Clarke back in January at 1000/1, and i can't remember why.
I do not see that honesty yet - either in the Tories or, frankly, in Labour. So I think the European question will continue to gnaw away at our politics with baleful consequences for us all.
Parliament removing the PM is entirely democratic. Boris has served his purpose and Parliament can now remove him.
If I had a time machine back to 2019, knowing everything I know now, I would still support Boris all over again. He was right for then, but then is not now.
Corbyn is gone. Brexit is done. Article 50 quagmire is over. All that remains is Boris, and Boris can fuck right off now the rest is gone.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544687453889495040
He got all else wrong
The weakest EU economies are preventing the ECB from using interest rates to control inflation, and goodness knows where prices could get to there this winter as a result.
Think that takes us to 28.5 resignations... https://twitter.com/TomLarkinSky/status/1544687845176184838/photo/1
The PM needs to command a majority of the Commons, I don't think Raab will get that.
Aren't they the political equivalent of all those middle managers firms suddenly realised they didn't need during Covid and WFH?
There is a precedent when this nearly happened.
Johnson's response? We have spent huge amounts of money. Then when pressed further says "NATO think we are marvellous".
He is a fool. Cannot accept reality even when it is groping male Tory spads in the Carlton Club.
For his entire life he has wanted to be PM and look at him now.
But my sympathy is outweighed by the LOLS.