Asks the question what changed between Boris running London and him arriving in No 10...
Definitely worth reading, thanks. Without spoiling:
"He tried out for other parts, of course: the Brexit deal-maker, the Whitehall party-planner, the East African travel agent. But none of them really worked out."
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
Rowley - resignation Anderson - Boris out No big show of support for Boris anywhere about Ben Bradley's twitter or facebook. Brendan Clarke Smith still loyal
This should be one of the strongest areas for Boris tbh, if MPs don't think he's an asset around here...
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
Have you a compass with you? Triangulation needed for precision. You may need to travel to another view point though, which is a bit much to prove a point for PB, but I have faith in you!
This critical issue after Boris goes is what are the Cons for.
Take @BigG (I'm leaving out @HYUFD; for obvious reasons he is a le roi est mort kind of guy).
Big G wants Boris gone and even greeted the resignations yesterday as being "dreadful for Starmer", illustrating a deep dislike of Labour. But why? What is the essential attractiveness of the Cons? They are tax cuttingraising cutting on a whim and a wing and a prayer with not thought about a strategic direction. They want to have a "high wage economy" but are resisting wage demands. Ukraine? Well just about every party is in agreement. Cost of living? All over the shop. Inflation? No real plan.
What is it that people like Big G like so much about the Cons and what is it about Lab that he dislikes so much. Of course there are the grating Trots in Lab (Rayner, Burgon, etc) but look at Cash, Bone, et al in the Cons.
The Cons don't really have a reason to be anything least of all in government.
Zahawi made the wrong decision last night, I don't understand how these professional politicians are so bad a politics.
He made a decision that placed him in No 11 rather than Truss - and allowed him to escape Education which given what @ydoethur has posted is a wise move...
But actually Truss is lucky she lost that fight, because Zahawi would have looked OK getting Foreign Sec, but his sudden advancement looks silly and tragicomic, like someone being made Governor of France by Hitler from his bunker on the eve of the fall of Berlin (not comparing Boris with Hitler btw).
I have loyally supported every @Conservatives Leader since 1992. However, today I am withdrawing my support for the Prime Minister. @BorisJohnson's leadership is untenable. My letter👇
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
No. Cats are murdering bastards who kill dozens of equally sentient tetrapods. The Lockean calculus is quite clear in this instance.
Went to an old mate's stag do on Saturday. At 10:30am we had a private showing of Aliens. What a perfect movie that is.
I recommend the '22 take off and nuke the entire Cabinet from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
But you're just a grunt...
Another glorious day in the Corps! A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the farm. Every meal's a banquet! Every paycheck a fortune! Every formation a parade! I *love* the Corps!
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
I'm having a ridiculously expensive dinner soon thanks to Boris Johnson, that bet I struck in the early hours of GE19 result day about Boris Johnson not serving as long as my boy Dave is a winner.
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
"No. So Sioux me...."
Just when Boris needs the cavalry ... the Indians turn up.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
PS it's getting confusingly like the Tory Party, isn't it?
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
What I picked up was that in non clear cut decisions I prefer to do nothing...
That is a good strategy. Apart from anything else you would have to account for it in court.
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
Have you a compass with you? Triangulation needed for precision. You may need to travel to another view point though, which is a bit much to prove a point for PB, but I have faith in you!
It is a tiny bit much, for all my loyalty to PB. I am now en route to Lake Skadar!
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
No. Cats are murdering bastards who kill dozens of equally sentient tetrapods. The Lockean calculus is quite clear in this instance.
Lobsters kill things too. What do you think they do with those claws?
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
"No. So Sioux me...."
Just when Boris needs the cavalry ... the Indians turn up.
Zahawi made the wrong decision last night, I don't understand how these professional politicians are so bad a politics.
Do you really think we could have had a night without a Chancellor of the Exchequer? What would the markets have done when they opened this morning without a Chancellor?
Someone responsible had to take the position. Let everyone else tell the PM the game is up - other positions you can do without, but someone has to be in the Treasury or the markets would panic.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
Only if 'Getting Brexit Done' is 1. considered to be correct (NI Protocol) 2. considered to be a good thing. Neither of these is likely to be the case.
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
Gettysburg surely ... civil war innit.
"...that Government of Boris Johnson, by Boris Johnson and for Boris Johnson shall not perish from this Earth."
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
No. Boris's epitaph will be that it was amazing that someone like him could last as PM for 2½ years.
It is also possible that he will be remembered as the man who put the Conservative Party on the opposition benches for 10 or 15 years, possibly longer.
This critical issue after Boris goes is what are the Cons for.
Take @BigG (I'm leaving out @HYUFD; for obvious reasons he is a le roi est mort kind of guy).
Big G wants Boris gone and even greeted the resignations yesterday as being "dreadful for Starmer", illustrating a deep dislike of Labour. But why? What is the essential attractiveness of the Cons? They are tax cuttingraising cutting on a whim and a wing and a prayer with not thought about a strategic direction. They want to have a "high wage economy" but are resisting wage demands. Ukraine? Well just about every party is in agreement. Cost of living? All over the shop. Inflation? No real plan.
What is it that people like Big G like so much about the Cons and what is it about Lab that he dislikes so much. Of course there are the grating Trots in Lab (Rayner, Burgon, etc) but look at Cash, Bone, et al in the Cons.
The Cons don't really have a reason to be anything least of all in government.
Once Boris is gone we need proper CON policies to get inflation under control and sort out the economy.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
That would be his best hope of keeping the wallpaper and curtains for a while longer.
Some poor bugger has to inherit that gauche load of bollocks
No, I think we can all agree it would be cruel and unusual punishment not to allow the “decoration” to be reversed with public funds.
I don't think the new PM should live in No. 10 (or No. 11) - it's not healthy as a lifestyle. They should be found a grace and favour apartment about 15 minutes away.
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
Gettysburg surely ... civil war innit.
"...that Government of Boris Johnson, by Boris Johnson and for Boris Johnson shall not perish from this Earth."
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
"No. So Sioux me...."
Just when Boris needs the cavalry ... the Indians turn up.
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Boris, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Quite enjoyed Benjamin Zephaniah on R4 recently about his love of Shelley, particularly The Mask of Anarchy,
Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number-- Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you-- Ye are many -- they are few.
Unfortunately the masses once risen will probably be bellowing for the return of imperial measures and Curly Wurlies.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
No. Cats are murdering bastards who kill dozens of equally sentient tetrapods. The Lockean calculus is quite clear in this instance.
Lobsters kill things too. What do you think they do with those claws?
Claim is that Gove told Johnson he should go before PMQs, so obviously Johnson isn't listening to him.
"Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, told Boris Johnson this morning while they were preparing for PMQs that he should quit, the Mail’s John Stevens reports."
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
Only if 'Getting Brexit Done' is 1. considered to be correct (NI Protocol) 2. considered to be a good thing. Neither of these is likely to be the case.
"Getting Brexit Done" was required, for the political system to work again. It spent 2 years completely derailing Westminster.
Zahawi made the wrong decision last night, I don't understand how these professional politicians are so bad a politics.
Do you really think we could have had a night without a Chancellor of the Exchequer? What would the markets have done when they opened this morning without a Chancellor?
Someone responsible had to take the position. Let everyone else tell the PM the game is up - other positions you can do without, but someone has to be in the Treasury or the markets would panic.
Nah - no excuse for Zahawi, in extremis there's always a promotion for Nad or Mogg.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
No. Cats are murdering bastards who kill dozens of equally sentient tetrapods. The Lockean calculus is quite clear in this instance.
Lobsters kill things too. What do you think they do with those claws?
Yes, but not in Mrs C's garden. And mainly inverts (bit shit for the crabs though).
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
Goodness. I've only been away for an hour or two and the Government appears to have gone from tottering to full collapse. That joint resignation letter by five ministers is quite something.
I was half-joking earlier about Johnson having to start filling a load of vacant positions with newly minted lords, but at this rate there won't be much alternative.
This critical issue after Boris goes is what are the Cons for.
Take @BigG (I'm leaving out @HYUFD; for obvious reasons he is a le roi est mort kind of guy).
Big G wants Boris gone and even greeted the resignations yesterday as being "dreadful for Starmer", illustrating a deep dislike of Labour. But why? What is the essential attractiveness of the Cons? They are tax cuttingraising cutting on a whim and a wing and a prayer with not thought about a strategic direction. They want to have a "high wage economy" but are resisting wage demands. Ukraine? Well just about every party is in agreement. Cost of living? All over the shop. Inflation? No real plan.
What is it that people like Big G like so much about the Cons and what is it about Lab that he dislikes so much. Of course there are the grating Trots in Lab (Rayner, Burgon, etc) but look at Cash, Bone, et al in the Cons.
The Cons don't really have a reason to be anything least of all in government.
Once Boris is gone we need proper CON policies to get inflation under control and sort out the economy.
Sort it out Penny! 👍
In the current circumstances you can sort out inflation or the economy... Which would you prefer
@MaxPB don't think I'm too wrong saying the above given where we currently are?
Zahawi made the wrong decision last night, I don't understand how these professional politicians are so bad a politics.
Do you really think we could have had a night without a Chancellor of the Exchequer? What would the markets have done when they opened this morning without a Chancellor?
Someone responsible had to take the position. Let everyone else tell the PM the game is up - other positions you can do without, but someone has to be in the Treasury or the markets would panic.
No, he should have resigned and brought Boris down. Not having a chancellor for a day wouldn't have been the end of the world and I'm sure Raab could have been convinced.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
No. Cats are murdering bastards who kill dozens of equally sentient tetrapods. The Lockean calculus is quite clear in this instance.
Lobsters kill things too. What do you think they do with those claws?
Anyone know if the vaccine rollout was the best in the world and if we currently have the best economy in the G7?
Two claims I heard made today and neither were questioned.
We certainly have a world beating reenactment of Custer’s last stand with our blonde tousle haired hero bravely fighting to the end with troopers Mogg and Dories as the arrows of outrageous fortune rain down on them.
As the end comes Boris Custer wonders if Carrie will mourn his little big horn.
"No. So Sioux me...."
Just when Boris needs the cavalry ... the Indians turn up.
his support is now looking a little apache
It an 'arrowing experience for him.
Indeed, it is all a bit of a Cheyenne it has come to this.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
I got 72, some lobsters and some robots. I killed my best friend because he wouldn't want me to kill five people on his behalf.
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
This critical issue after Boris goes is what are the Cons for.
Take @BigG (I'm leaving out @HYUFD; for obvious reasons he is a le roi est mort kind of guy).
Big G wants Boris gone and even greeted the resignations yesterday as being "dreadful for Starmer", illustrating a deep dislike of Labour. But why? What is the essential attractiveness of the Cons? They are tax cuttingraising cutting on a whim and a wing and a prayer with not thought about a strategic direction. They want to have a "high wage economy" but are resisting wage demands. Ukraine? Well just about every party is in agreement. Cost of living? All over the shop. Inflation? No real plan.
What is it that people like Big G like so much about the Cons and what is it about Lab that he dislikes so much. Of course there are the grating Trots in Lab (Rayner, Burgon, etc) but look at Cash, Bone, et al in the Cons.
The Cons don't really have a reason to be anything least of all in government.
Once Boris is gone we need proper CON policies to get inflation under control and sort out the economy.
Sort it out Penny! 👍
In the current circumstances you can sort out inflation or the economy... Which would you prefer
@MaxPB don't think I'm too wrong saying the above given where we currently are?
Rampant inflation destroys people's wealth and their financial confidence, both of which are bad for the economy. The control of inflation must be prioritised.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
That would be his best hope of keeping the wallpaper and curtains for a while longer.
Some poor bugger has to inherit that gauche load of bollocks
No, I think we can all agree it would be cruel and unusual punishment not to allow the “decoration” to be reversed with public funds.
I don't think the new PM should live in No. 10 (or No. 11) - it's not healthy as a lifestyle. They should be found a grace and favour apartment about 15 minutes away.
Yes, the wallpaper could be put on public display as a reminder to voters as to what happens when you put an incompetent populist and his mistress into power.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
I assumed you could cook the lobsters after they were run over...
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
On a clear day from the top of Black Combe you can see Blackpool Tower to the south, the Isle of Man to the West and Scotland to the North.
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
It's just over 90 miles from Snowdon to the Wicklow mountains South of Dublin. I'd think that would be one of the longest views possible (assuming it is possible).
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Totally true, but partygate was wot did it. There is visceral anger about it in the nation at large.
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
That's like saving the village by sending an Arc Lite strike of B-52s to hit it.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
Only if 'Getting Brexit Done' is 1. considered to be correct (NI Protocol) 2. considered to be a good thing. Neither of these is likely to be the case.
"Getting Brexit Done" was required, for the political system to work again. It spent 2 years completely derailing Westminster.
... and left us with many moderate and competent Tory MPs being ousted and ministers being chosen for their Brexit views rather than competence. Dorries, Braverman etc wouldn't be in any cabinet other than Boris's.
It feels like it is all over for the PM now, one way or another. But it is worth pausing to consider what a dramatic fall from grace it is. In political terms, it is only 5 minutes since he won his party a large majority. It is unprecedented, certainly in modern times. https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
I assumed you could cook the lobsters after they were run over...
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
I have seen Ireland (Wicklow) from Carnedd Llewellyn in Snowdonia. I believe I've also seen the Cheviots from the Cairngorms (in mid winter), which is over 100 miles. Might even have a photograph of that one.
But apparently the longest possible view in the UK is Snowdon from The Merrick in the Scottish Borders, which is 144 miles. The reverse is apparently not possible as you cannot pick the summit out from the foreground.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
I'll give Johnson appointing Kate Bingham as a call he got right...or was that Zahawi? The rest of his COVID performance was a pretty poor show all round.
As for Ukraine, the Ukrainian's are overwhelmed at being love bombed by BigDog. The practical stuff is pretty much on par with everyone else Macron, perhaps Sholtz and Orban being honourable exceptions. The Ukrainian refugees still waiting patiently in Ukraine for the Home Office to provide them with visas to the UK after 3 months, not so much.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
I got 72, some lobsters and some robots. I killed my best friend because he wouldn't want me to kill five people on his behalf.
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
Yeah the killing 5 people to save your best friend thing was weird, it was one of only 2 times I think where I disagreed with the majority opinion - the other was killing a litter lout to save a "good citizen". If they had substituted one of my kids for the best friend it would have been different I imagine.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
the problem there is, is there anyone really suitable? Remember Boris got rid of a lot of the sane options back in 2019 when he withdraw the whip and then called an election...
It feels like it is all over for the PM now, one way or another. But it is worth pausing to consider what a dramatic fall from grace it is. In political terms, it is only 5 minutes since he won his party a large majority. It is unprecedented, certainly in modern times. https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
Na, in political terms it’s a lot longer. The saying isn't “X days is not a long time in politics”.
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
That's like saving the village by sending an Arc Lite strike of B-52s to hit it.
During times of warfare that might be necessary in extremis, yes.
But once the war is over, you wouldn't continue to do that.
Boris's suitability was like a wartime PM, he helped bring an end to the Brexit civil war, but its over now. Just like his idol Churchill, just because he was a suitable wartime PM does not mean he should remain PM in metaphorical peacetime.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Totally true, but partygate was wot did it. There is visceral anger about it in the nation at large.
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
I really do not detect a lot of visceral anger about partygate apart from in the political fraternity.
I suspect there was a lot of synthetic anger about that.
There is more anger about the cost of living crisis. That is going to doom the whole government not just Boris.
i checked the map, and I am 90% sure I can see the highest peaks of the “Accursed Mountains” on the Albanian border. They are about 60 miles away
That's 100km not 100 miles (which is 160km)...
As I said before. “100 miles” was an oratorical flourish, I had no true idea
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
Ah, now all bets are off if there are mountains in the background.
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
It's just over 90 miles from Snowdon to the Wicklow mountains South of Dublin. I'd think that would be one of the longest views possible (assuming it is possible).
Around 1950 there were trips from Southend pier to look at the coast of France. Just look, we weren't allowed to land!
How do they reconcile their different constituencies?
And how the hell do they persuade us to trust all these MPs and a new leader and Cabinet who up until recently were telling us to support the PM?
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
There was no appalling judgement.
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
You exemplify perfectly the sort of person who still does not get it.
He was not the right person.
He got Brexit "done" (not that it is) by lying. And those lies have poisoned and are continuing to poison the Tory party and British politics generally. Until that poison is drained and those lies confronted and truth spoken politics - and the Tory party - in particular will continue to circle the drain and disappear down it.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
Me too. I killed 61 but five of them were Boomers.
Was I wrong to kill the cat to save the lobsters so they would cook better?
I assumed you could cook the lobsters after they were run over...
Why take that risk?
Also, the grease from the wheels doesn't improve the stock for the bisque the next day when you boil the shells.
It feels like it is all over for the PM now, one way or another. But it is worth pausing to consider what a dramatic fall from grace it is. In political terms, it is only 5 minutes since he won his party a large majority. It is unprecedented, certainly in modern times. https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
He won the Tories their biggest majority since Thatcher in 1987 in 2019 and they will now likely have to wait another 30 years to match it
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Totally true, but partygate was wot did it. There is visceral anger about it in the nation at large.
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
Brazenly lying to Westminster about Partygate was the point of no return. There are certain naughty games you can play around the edges, but there has been a convention that coming to the House means you are telling it straight. It may only be a convention, but it is one which has the power to destroy careers. As we are witnessing.
My position this year has been entirely based upon this convention being sacrosanct.
Yes. No one else has the sheer chutzpah and bull to keep the coalition together. Penny is pretty though. So that ought to be enough, apparently.
I have one wish. That all those Tory MPs and supporters who cheered Boris on and supported him and inflicted him on us and told off those of us who warned from the start what a useless dangerous and unfit person he was now shut up for a considerable period and reflect on their appalling judgment and try and learn some lessons and not expect to be praised for - finally - doing something that should have been done some time ago by anyone with a shred of decency and intelligence.
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too. ting on us.
Alternatively, run the candidates past a pb.com panel.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
the problem there is, is there anyone really suitable? Remember Boris got rid of a lot of the sane options back in 2019 when he withdraw the whip and then called an election...
The current Tory secret weapon is that there’s practically a whole Cabinet on the back benches, unfamiliar to the public. They can renew if they do it right.
(I fairly consistently choose do nothing unless the choice is human versus non-human or no deaths for doing something. One exception was diverting the trolley to save best friend.)
And I was so busy killing them all that I missed the start of the new thread
I got 72, some lobsters and some robots. I killed my best friend because he wouldn't want me to kill five people on his behalf.
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
I got 94. I am clearly a psychopath and need to embrace this new revelation.
Boris's epitaph will be that he got all the big calls right.
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
OPatz was a big call. And he fucked it up.
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Totally true, but partygate was wot did it. There is visceral anger about it in the nation at large.
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
I really do not detect a lot of visceral anger about partygate apart from in the political fraternity.
I suspect there was a lot of synthetic anger about that.
There is more anger about the cost of living crisis. That is going to doom the whole government not just Boris.
Odd - I get a lot of anger from people about partygate from non- political people.
Comments
"He tried out for other parts, of course: the Brexit deal-maker, the Whitehall party-planner, the East African travel agent. But none of them really worked out."
Rowley - resignation
Anderson - Boris out
No big show of support for Boris anywhere about Ben Bradley's twitter or facebook.
Brendan Clarke Smith still loyal
This should be one of the strongest areas for Boris tbh, if MPs don't think he's an asset around here...
Take @BigG (I'm leaving out @HYUFD; for obvious reasons he is a le roi est mort kind of guy).
Big G wants Boris gone and even greeted the resignations yesterday as being "dreadful for Starmer", illustrating a deep dislike of Labour. But why? What is the essential attractiveness of the Cons? They are tax
cuttingraisingcutting on a whim and a wing and a prayer with not thought about a strategic direction. They want to have a "high wage economy" but are resisting wage demands. Ukraine? Well just about every party is in agreement. Cost of living? All over the shop. Inflation? No real plan.What is it that people like Big G like so much about the Cons and what is it about Lab that he dislikes so much. Of course there are the grating Trots in Lab (Rayner, Burgon, etc) but look at Cash, Bone, et al in the Cons.
The Cons don't really have a reason to be anything least of all in government.
But I can see a long way
The Accursed Mountains do look quite ominous
But treated every other call with utter contempt.
edit direct link outside of twitter's tracking..
I'm having a ridiculously expensive dinner soon thanks to Boris Johnson, that bet I struck in the early hours of GE19 result day about Boris Johnson not serving as long as my boy Dave is a winner.
Should resign 72% (+10)
Should not resign 19% (-9)
Don’t know 9% (=)
(chg from 6 Jun) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1544679013649682433/photo/1
Pincher was a big call. And it ended him.
Someone responsible had to take the position. Let everyone else tell the PM the game is up - other positions you can do without, but someone has to be in the Treasury or the markets would panic.
1. considered to be correct (NI Protocol)
2. considered to be a good thing.
Neither of these is likely to be the case.
It is also possible that he will be remembered as the man who put the Conservative Party on the opposition benches for 10 or 15 years, possibly longer.
Sort it out Penny! 👍
We bloody told you so.
We bloody told Labour so about Corbyn too.
Perhaps the political parties could try finding someone with some basic integrity, humility and common-sense for a change instead of these arrogant uncivilised and malicious oafs they keep inflicting on us.
Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number--
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you--
Ye are many -- they are few.
Unfortunately the masses once risen will probably be bellowing for the return of imperial measures and Curly Wurlies.
"Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, told Boris Johnson this morning while they were preparing for PMQs that he should quit, the Mail’s John Stevens reports."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jul/06/boris-johnson-rishi-sunak-sajid-javid-resignations-uk-politics-live-latest?page=with:block-62c590258f089dd60ac4e945#block-62c590258f089dd60ac4e945
Where's the furthest you can see in the UK? There's a few views across the Irish Sea which must be 100 miles. I reckon you can see Northern Ireland from the top of Scafell Pike on a clear day, not that I've ever had a clear day at the top of Scafell Pike. Few such places have restaurants though, even mediocre ones.
I was half-joking earlier about Johnson having to start filling a load of vacant positions with newly minted lords, but at this rate there won't be much alternative.
@MaxPB don't think I'm too wrong saying the above given where we currently are?
But will it be enough to save him? Of course not.
https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1544679013649682433?t=XrVSiRJS6Wrlo_4Phhknqw&s=19
I destroyed my life savings (trivial decision, I don't have any worth the name) and shamelessly took the bribe...
No Tory MP wants to risk him remaining in office and doing that given current polling.
Gove, Coffey tipped to go if PM won't fall on sword
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2022-07-05/uk-government-resignations?cursorId=62C5939CB21C0000 https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1544681114618535938/photo/1
Boris was the right person for the circumstances. We needed someone who could get us out of the quagmire of Article 50 and to get Brexit done. Boris was the only appropriate person to do that.
If Boris is bad, then what does it say about the likes of Corbyn, Grieve, May, Hunt, Starmer and Swinson etc that Boris was the best person leftover for the job?
The good thing about British politics though, unlike American politics, is that our leaders are not Presidents and are not elected dictators. Just as they can be put into power, they can also be removed from it. The circumstances that existed in 2019 that made Boris appropriate are done and dusted, they're no longer there. Boris's advantages have gone, his disadvantages are magnified, and so he's outlasted his welcome.
Its time for him to go. Just because the alternatives in 2019 were worse, doesn't mean that he's good enough for 2022. The circumstances have moved on and he has to go.
"No....next....no....next...are you out of your tiny minds?....."
And their first instinct was to LIE to parliament about it.
Counterfactuals are shit because they can't be proved, but imagine a world where the hand went up and Johnson said - this is what happened, it was wrong, I'm sorry, etc. Rather than trying to front it out. Who knows.
But you can't change who you are. He has said that just last week. We were warned. He is a lying shit, out only for himself.
I felt sorry for May - she was an honourable person who perhaps made the wrong choices. i have nothing but contempt for Johnson.
That trolley choice game should have a Johson option.
Dorries, Braverman etc wouldn't be in any cabinet other than Boris's.
https://twitter.com/tombradby/status/1544681661366943744
Things improving rapidly for Bozza, as you say.
But apparently the longest possible view in the UK is Snowdon from The Merrick in the Scottish Borders, which is 144 miles. The reverse is apparently not possible as you cannot pick the summit out from the foreground.
Some information here (old fashioned website!)
http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org/
As for Ukraine, the Ukrainian's are overwhelmed at being love bombed by BigDog. The practical stuff is pretty much on par with everyone else Macron, perhaps Sholtz and Orban being honourable exceptions. The Ukrainian refugees still waiting patiently in Ukraine for the Home Office to provide them with visas to the UK after 3 months, not so much.
Big calls? Right.
But once the war is over, you wouldn't continue to do that.
Boris's suitability was like a wartime PM, he helped bring an end to the Brexit civil war, but its over now. Just like his idol Churchill, just because he was a suitable wartime PM does not mean he should remain PM in metaphorical peacetime.
I suspect there was a lot of synthetic anger about that.
There is more anger about the cost of living crisis. That is going to doom the whole government not just Boris.
He was not the right person.
He got Brexit "done" (not that it is) by lying. And those lies have poisoned and are continuing to poison the Tory party and British politics generally. Until that poison is drained and those lies confronted and truth spoken politics - and the Tory party - in particular will continue to circle the drain and disappear down it.
If that was one of his good calls, I'd hate to consider the bad ones!
My position this year has been entirely based upon this convention being sacrosanct.