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The LDs edging back up in the Devon by-election betting – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited June 20 in General
imageThe LDs edging back up in the Devon by-election betting – politicalbetting.com

We are now in the final phase of the Tiverton & Honiton by-election which makes place next Thursday. This was caused by the resignation of the incumbent MP after he had been observed viewing porn on his phone in the Commons Chamber.

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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 42,827
    edited June 17
    I suspect that any changes at this point will be profit taking. This is a done deal.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Second like the Tories.
  • Not convinced.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 16,690
    Fourth like the LDs in Wakey?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    Fourth like the LDs in Wakey?

    As high as that for the Lib Dems?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 42,827

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    What is this nonsense doing inside a church?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 70,237
    tlg86 said:

    Fourth like the LDs in Wakey?

    As high as that for the Lib Dems?
    It'd be a significant outperformance, the expected order is

    Lab
    Con
    Akef Akbar
    Yorkshire Party
    Green
    Reform
    Lib Dem

    according to the betting odds.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,047

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    Sidereal vs tropical zodiac. Tropical wise it is just passing Gemini to Cancer
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    edited June 17

    Not convinced.

    The value bet is Tory for sure, as that graph is at odds with how we feel about it in our minds?

    Another reason I am not sure Lib Dems have this, which I want to run passed Woolie if he is seeing same thing as me in national polling, since the vonc. Boris and his government ratings seem to be rallying, firming up and ticking upwards in polling. Crazy if true, as it means MoonRabbits much vaunted June Gloom in polling for Tories isn’t going to happen - I was thinking like 2012, two naff spring budgets, voters not happy about governments financial management, Tories summer slump in polls and gap grows. But it’s not happening, Boris and the Tory ratings getting stronger if anything. And that is another reason not to be so sure of Libdems winning Horny Town. (Though a Saxon ton is basically a farmstead to be literal about it).

    There’s something about the vonc, 200+ publically backing everything Boris has done and said, that may actually have drawn a line under Partygate and the voters have moved on, maybe? Geets resignation has barely rippled coffee in the cup this side of vonc. it took the wind from the rebellion. Or something about the governments management of cost of living crisis the voters like that is now firming and up ticking Boris and government rating up all the time now - or maybe all those three things at once.

    I’ll celebrate the Libdem win if it happens, but I am not at all sure today.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,503
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    What is this nonsense doing inside a church?
    SOP in mediaeval times. Casting a horoscope was part of medicine, for instance.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 279
    edited June 17
    DavidL said:


    What is this nonsense doing inside a church?

    If you're a 17th century astronomer looking to construct a heliometer there probably aren't that many suitably sized buildings with big open floors directly under their roofs. So you persuade the church with something about standardising on Vatican time and getting observations to set the date of Easter.

    On the zodiac in particular, this was part of the standard cosmology of the time, I think. Dante's _Divine Comedy_ (somewhat earlier but you get the idea) has lots of it, for example (my annotated copy says it's to make him sound scientifically up-to-date and add realism to his portrayal of Heaven and Hell).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,047
    What an annoying woman
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
    Bojo may be a no show.

    But Tom Tugendhat (Tory leadership contender) is on stage at the NRG heaping praise on the Red Wall

    He says the Tory Party is not “a church with one true faith and one leader like a Pope” but a broad church

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1537798577447219200
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    pm215 said:

    DavidL said:


    What is this nonsense doing inside a church?

    If you're a 17th century astronomer looking to construct a heliometer there probably aren't that many suitably sized buildings with big open floors directly under their roofs. So you persuade the church with something about standardising on Vatican time and getting observations to set the date of Easter.

    On the zodiac in particular, this was part of the standard cosmology of the time, I think. Dante's _Divine Comedy_ (somewhat earlier but you get the idea) has lots of it, for example (my annotated copy says it's to make him sound scientifically up-to-date and add realism to his portrayal of Heaven and Hell).
    Thereafterward a light among them brightened,
    So that, if Cancer one such crystal had,
    Winter would have a month of one sole day.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    Sidereal vs tropical zodiac. Tropical wise it is just passing Gemini to Cancer
    Still bullish Sunil, or now in two minds?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,047
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    What is this nonsense doing inside a church?
    A covenanter speaks. Wiki says

    The Cathedral has a meridian, which may be considered as an earlier type of heliometer (solar "observatory"), one of a number constructed in Italian churches, mainly in the 17th and 18th centuries. This one was built in 1801 by the famous astronomer Giuseppe Piazzi, the director of the Observatory of Palermo who discovered the first minor planet or asteroid, Ceres. The device itself is quite simple: a tiny hole in one of the minor domes acts as pinhole camera, projecting an image of the sun onto the floor ). There is a bronze line, la meridiana on the floor, running precisely N/S. At solar noon (circa 12:00 in winter, 13:00 in summer), the sun image passes through this line. At different times of the year the passage occurs at different point of the line. The ends of the line mark the positions at the summer and winter solstices; signs of the zodiac show various dates throughout the year.

    The purpose of the instrument was to standardise the measurement of time and the calendar. The convention in Sicily had been that the (24-hour) day was measured from the moment of sun-rise, which of course meant that no two locations had the same time and, more importantly, did not have the same time as in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. It was also important to know when the Vernal equinox occurred, to provide the correct date for Easter. On the belltowers there were six medieval bells.

    The instrument could be used for research on the apparent movements of the Sun, including its relative distance from the Earth, measured through the size of the floor projected solar disk, and even to compare the results with Ptolemaic and Copernician predictions.[2]

    Papists always big on astronomy, there's a Vatican Observatory

  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 4,476
    Pulpstar said:

    tlg86 said:

    Fourth like the LDs in Wakey?

    As high as that for the Lib Dems?
    It'd be a significant outperformance, the expected order is

    Lab
    Con
    Akef Akbar
    Yorkshire Party
    Green
    Reform
    Lib Dem

    according to the betting odds.
    had a nibble on Akef Akbar getting third at 9/2.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 697
    Scott_xP said:

    Bojo may be a no show.

    But Tom Tugendhat (Tory leadership contender) is on stage at the NRG heaping praise on the Red Wall

    He says the Tory Party is not “a church with one true faith and one leader like a Pope” but a broad church

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1537798577447219200

    That's one way of saying we stand for nothing and are driven by what the media want and what we believe is popular.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
    Tom Tugendhat tells me he isn't ruling out a run for the leadership in the future.

    Speaking at the NRG conference, he says "I think we should offer ourselves forward for service" and that it will be "up to colleagues and country to choose".

    https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1537800382503608321
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    What is this nonsense doing inside a church?
    http://johnrmartinunderstandingart.blogspot.com/2013/03/moses-from-taurus-to-aries.html

    If this was true though, they would switch to a fish symbol for Jesus - precession of the equinoxes anti clockwise through thirteen signs, 26,000 year cycle.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/science-and-technology/astronomy-and-space-exploration/astronomy-general/precession-equinoxes
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,634
    DavidL said:

    Our Dean of Faculty is somewhat cross with the PM (again).
    He has written him a letter:

    "...To suggest that lawyers who act in immigration in Judicial Reviews are "abetting the work of criminal gangs" is wrong in law. It is fatuous. It is vacuous. And, most worringly, it is dangerous...Most reasonable people understand that resorting to law does not undermine confidence in the legal system; rather it shows a healthy legal system in action."

    He's right, of course. A government that does not respect the rule of law itself is dangerous and undermines the constitutional foundations of our country.

    We have a government of scofflaws.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    What an annoying woman
    Reminds me a bit of Jo Swinson
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    edited June 17
    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    IshmaelZ said:

    DavidL said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    What is this nonsense doing inside a church?
    A covenanter speaks. Wiki says

    The Cathedral has a meridian, which may be considered as an earlier type of heliometer (solar "observatory"), one of a number constructed in Italian churches, mainly in the 17th and 18th centuries. This one was built in 1801 by the famous astronomer Giuseppe Piazzi, the director of the Observatory of Palermo who discovered the first minor planet or asteroid, Ceres. The device itself is quite simple: a tiny hole in one of the minor domes acts as pinhole camera, projecting an image of the sun onto the floor ). There is a bronze line, la meridiana on the floor, running precisely N/S. At solar noon (circa 12:00 in winter, 13:00 in summer), the sun image passes through this line. At different times of the year the passage occurs at different point of the line. The ends of the line mark the positions at the summer and winter solstices; signs of the zodiac show various dates throughout the year.

    The purpose of the instrument was to standardise the measurement of time and the calendar. The convention in Sicily had been that the (24-hour) day was measured from the moment of sun-rise, which of course meant that no two locations had the same time and, more importantly, did not have the same time as in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. It was also important to know when the Vernal equinox occurred, to provide the correct date for Easter. On the belltowers there were six medieval bells.

    The instrument could be used for research on the apparent movements of the Sun, including its relative distance from the Earth, measured through the size of the floor projected solar disk, and even to compare the results with Ptolemaic and Copernician predictions.[2]

    Papists always big on astronomy, there's a Vatican Observatory

    Aye. The solstices and equinox, the four corners of the earth.

    Papists we’re also very good at throwing astronomers into dungeons or burning them at the stake.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,634
    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,503
    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    Well, the lady was photographed with Mr J and some moo-cows. Be a bit difficult to pretend he was just in the photo by accident.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,205
    Boris in Kyiv
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,634

    IshmaelZ said:

    What an annoying woman
    Reminds me a bit of Jo Swinson
    Harsh.
    Swinson was .... prime ministerial in comparison. :smile:
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    edited June 17
    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    “ It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead. “.

    MoonRabbit wobbles. I’m still quite pert and taught actually, in my psephology. 😆

    I’m making two points actually. The Tory share nationally does appear to be rallying and ticking upward since the vonc. Secondly, non two by elections can be exactly the same, in landscape and narrative. Because Amersham remainers, Shropshire North better comparison with horny town - the narrative in December was partygate on news every second of everyday till the Christmas break. And the mindset of Tories in Devon just seem to have enough “Tory for me despite anything ever” about them, to give us doubt all the incredible swing needed happens.

    Should be cLose enough either way to justify the discussion we are having about it though. Thank you. 🙂
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 6,012
    MISTY said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Bojo may be a no show.

    But Tom Tugendhat (Tory leadership contender) is on stage at the NRG heaping praise on the Red Wall

    He says the Tory Party is not “a church with one true faith and one leader like a Pope” but a broad church

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1537798577447219200

    That's one way of saying we stand for nothing and are driven by what the media want and what we believe is popular.
    Admirable loyalty to the principles of Johnsonism.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,503

    Boris in Kyiv

    He's that frightened of the Red Wallers?!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,047

    Boris in Kyiv

    Chicken in kiev
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    edited June 17
    Carnyx said:

    Boris in Kyiv

    He's that frightened of the Red Wallers?!
    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 6,012
    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    How many by-election losers are ever heard of again?

    There was Blair in 1982, but apart from that?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether being a Conservative by-election candidate right now is a one-way ticket to Obscurityville, and that's enough to put off the capable and ambitious.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 33,476
    Carnyx said:

    Boris in Kyiv

    He's that frightened of the Red Wallers?!
    Warning them off those EU Johnnies presumably.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082

    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.

    Desperately chasing EU leaders for a photo op...

    There's a metaphor somewhere.

    Third trip this year to Kyiv for PM - second since the war started. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1537806957683286020/photo/1

    Safer than visiting marginals.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 839
    Scott_xP said:

    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.

    Desperately chasing EU leaders for a photo op...

    There's a metaphor somewhere.

    Third trip this year to Kyiv for PM - second since the war started. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1537806957683286020/photo/1

    Safer than visiting marginals.
    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 29,790
    Nigelb said:

    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...

    There was one where a strange radio signal was picked up for years. They worked out it was terrestrial in origin, so discounted it as anything 'interesting', but could not work out what it was.

    eventually they discovered it was a microwave oven within the facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years

    This is a new telescope. They are still learning about it. They allow tourists relatively near it. It will be interference.

    (As an aside, there are black panels beside the M11 northbound from Junction 11 northwards. These are apparently barriers to reduce interference from the road traffic to the radio telescopes a couple of miles west at Lord's Bridge).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,503
    OnboardG1 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.

    Desperately chasing EU leaders for a photo op...

    There's a metaphor somewhere.

    Third trip this year to Kyiv for PM - second since the war started. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1537806957683286020/photo/1

    Safer than visiting marginals.
    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.
    Or to Tory MPs. Who will also be voting on him sooner or later.
  • Among those who believe that Keir Starmer is boring, do they consider this to be a good or bad trait for a potential future Prime Minister?

    Bad 41%
    Neither 37%
    Good 21%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 70,237

    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    How many by-election losers are ever heard of again?

    There was Blair in 1982, but apart from that?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether being a Conservative by-election candidate right now is a one-way ticket to Obscurityville, and that's enough to put off the capable and ambitious.
    Phil Hammond lost the 1994 Newham North East by-election. He was Chancellor of the Exchequer a few years back.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
    OnboardG1 said:

    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.

    Indeed, but after the pictures of the leaders of the EU in Kyiv, you can only imagine BoZo screaming "Get me on a fucking plane"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,503

    Nigelb said:

    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...

    There was one where a strange radio signal was picked up for years. They worked out it was terrestrial in origin, so discounted it as anything 'interesting', but could not work out what it was.

    eventually they discovered it was a microwave oven within the facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years

    This is a new telescope. They are still learning about it. They allow tourists relatively near it. It will be interference.

    (As an aside, there are black panels beside the M11 northbound from Junction 11 northwards. These are apparently barriers to reduce interference from the road traffic to the radio telescopes a couple of miles west at Lord's Bridge).
    Not a new thing ... (especially for @Sunil_Prasannan )

    https://www.nature.com/articles/044127a0.pdf
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,634
    This is very good news.
    Should feed through to commercial products quite soon.

    30-year perovskite solar cells and the new approach to testing them for the long haul
    https://techxplore.com/news/2022-06-year-perovskite-solar-cells-approach.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 70,237
    edited June 17
    Scott_xP said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.

    Indeed, but after the pictures of the leaders of the EU in Kyiv, you can only imagine BoZo screaming "Get me on a fucking plane"
    It's the classic 'gone to shit on the homefront, let's bask in (perceived) foreign policy success' beloved of leaders through the ages.

    Here's HW Bush in Iraq

    https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Photos/igphoto/2002068344/
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,047

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    On reflection I think I was a bit previous here, you wait until the sun hits the line down the middle before taking your reading, so I think it would creep closer to Gemini

    Dammit! At noon tomorrow I will be I Luton Airport, god willing and if we are spared, so can't go back to look.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 29,790
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...

    There was one where a strange radio signal was picked up for years. They worked out it was terrestrial in origin, so discounted it as anything 'interesting', but could not work out what it was.

    eventually they discovered it was a microwave oven within the facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years

    This is a new telescope. They are still learning about it. They allow tourists relatively near it. It will be interference.

    (As an aside, there are black panels beside the M11 northbound from Junction 11 northwards. These are apparently barriers to reduce interference from the road traffic to the radio telescopes a couple of miles west at Lord's Bridge).
    Not a new thing ... (especially for @Sunil_Prasannan )

    https://www.nature.com/articles/044127a0.pdf
    Wow, that's quite a find! I'm unsurprised they had significant problems with early electrical kit...

    My own little story: when we were working in radio, we found units would occasionally glitch out; after many hours, there would be a small errant signal in the output. We instrumented units to see what was going on, but could find nothing. We got everyone to turn off their mobile phones, and all electricals off bar the test kit. It still happened. When we got the same behaviour in a screened room, we realised it was not a problem with input radio interference.

    (It turned out to be a software issue; a semaphore between processor cores that was not being released immediately. A bit of a bugger to find, but when we found it, we did a search and found a couple of other similar problems that had not been noticed.)

    Radio is weird. It is the domain of wizards and witches.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    On reflection I think I was a bit previous here, you wait until the sun hits the line down the middle before taking your reading, so I think it would creep closer to Gemini

    Dammit! At noon tomorrow I will be I Luton Airport, god willing and if we are spared, so can't go back to look.
    🤭 .
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877

    Among those who believe that Keir Starmer is boring, do they consider this to be a good or bad trait for a potential future Prime Minister?

    Bad 41%
    Neither 37%
    Good 21%

    Ted Heath turns in his grave. 😆
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,139

    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    How many by-election losers are ever heard of again?

    There was Blair in 1982, but apart from that?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether being a Conservative by-election candidate right now is a one-way ticket to Obscurityville, and that's enough to put off the capable and ambitious.
    Ruth Davidson increased her profile as a candidate in the Glasgow North East by-election in 2009, she became leader of the Scottish Conservatives in 2011 after entering Holyrood.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,030
    DavidL said:

    Our Dean of Faculty is somewhat cross with the PM (again).
    He has written him a letter:

    "...To suggest that lawyers who act in immigration in Judicial Reviews are "abetting the work of criminal gangs" is wrong in law. It is fatuous. It is vacuous. And, most worringly, it is dangerous...Most reasonable people understand that resorting to law does not undermine confidence in the legal system; rather it shows a healthy legal system in action."

    He's right, of course. A government that does not respect the rule of law itself is dangerous and undermines the constitutional foundations of our country.

    Most people in this country want illegal immigration to be stopped. The attempt by lawyers to prevent that is doomed to failure. No-one accuses Australia of being racist because they've stopped illegal immigration.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    Scott_xP said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.

    Indeed, but after the pictures of the leaders of the EU in Kyiv, you can only imagine BoZo screaming "Get me on a fucking plane"
    Well, it just so happens that we chartered one, that’s just standing idle.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 839

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...

    There was one where a strange radio signal was picked up for years. They worked out it was terrestrial in origin, so discounted it as anything 'interesting', but could not work out what it was.

    eventually they discovered it was a microwave oven within the facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years

    This is a new telescope. They are still learning about it. They allow tourists relatively near it. It will be interference.

    (As an aside, there are black panels beside the M11 northbound from Junction 11 northwards. These are apparently barriers to reduce interference from the road traffic to the radio telescopes a couple of miles west at Lord's Bridge).
    Not a new thing ... (especially for @Sunil_Prasannan )

    https://www.nature.com/articles/044127a0.pdf
    Wow, that's quite a find! I'm unsurprised they had significant problems with early electrical kit...

    My own little story: when we were working in radio, we found units would occasionally glitch out; after many hours, there would be a small errant signal in the output. We instrumented units to see what was going on, but could find nothing. We got everyone to turn off their mobile phones, and all electricals off bar the test kit. It still happened. When we got the same behaviour in a screened room, we realised it was not a problem with input radio interference.

    (It turned out to be a software issue; a semaphore between processor cores that was not being released immediately. A bit of a bugger to find, but when we found it, we did a search and found a couple of other similar problems that had not been noticed.)

    Radio is weird. It is the domain of wizards and witches.
    I spent three months last year chasing a weird intermittent noise signal in some measuring kit thinking it was internal. The kit is basically a big pair of dipoles at 90 degrees and I worked out that the interference had to be directional. Did the spectral analysis and couldn’t work it out. Eventually it just vanished. I saw a paper recently trying to find a similar problem and based on that I’m pretty sure it’s a big logging machine with a PWM driven synchronous motor. I think they must have banged an Earth rod in and the harmonics from the PWM bled into the ground. That would explain the intermittency and the directionality. I was going spare trying to work it out.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
    One Tory MP at the Northern Research Group conference - where Boris Johnson failed to turn up - utterly furious

    Says they were being told Johnson “was on the train to Doncaster” this morning

    “This is the first test of outreach to his colleagues and he’s failed it”, they said

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1537812897866436608
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    OnboardG1 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.

    Desperately chasing EU leaders for a photo op...

    There's a metaphor somewhere.

    Third trip this year to Kyiv for PM - second since the war started. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1537806957683286020/photo/1

    Safer than visiting marginals.
    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.
    I’m sure it is. Fantastic images bolstering the Boris brand,

    Pres Z looks genuinely warm and happy to see Boris, compared to how bewildered he looked yesterday with the unsupportive domehead and viper talking French.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708

    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    How many by-election losers are ever heard of again?

    There was Blair in 1982, but apart from that?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether being a Conservative by-election candidate right now is a one-way ticket to Obscurityville, and that's enough to put off the capable and ambitious.
    Zac Goldsmith in 2016.

    Nigel Evans in 1991.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,028
    DavidL said:

    Our Dean of Faculty is somewhat cross with the PM (again).
    He has written him a letter:

    "...To suggest that lawyers who act in immigration in Judicial Reviews are "abetting the work of criminal gangs" is wrong in law. It is fatuous. It is vacuous. And, most worringly, it is dangerous...Most reasonable people understand that resorting to law does not undermine confidence in the legal system; rather it shows a healthy legal system in action."

    He's right, of course. A government that does not respect the rule of law itself is dangerous and undermines the constitutional foundations of our country.

    The issue isn’t lawyers themselves, but rather a system that appears to allow for almost unlimited numbers of appeals and injunctions, presumably funded by activist groups, that mean that in practice it’s almost impossible to deport someone from the UK.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 42,827
    Andy_JS said:

    DavidL said:

    Our Dean of Faculty is somewhat cross with the PM (again).
    He has written him a letter:

    "...To suggest that lawyers who act in immigration in Judicial Reviews are "abetting the work of criminal gangs" is wrong in law. It is fatuous. It is vacuous. And, most worringly, it is dangerous...Most reasonable people understand that resorting to law does not undermine confidence in the legal system; rather it shows a healthy legal system in action."

    He's right, of course. A government that does not respect the rule of law itself is dangerous and undermines the constitutional foundations of our country.

    Most people in this country want illegal immigration to be stopped. The attempt by lawyers to prevent that is doomed to failure. No-one accuses Australia of being racist because they've stopped illegal immigration.
    Hmm...where to start.

    Currently, more than 50% of all appeals against negative immigration appeals are successful, that is the immigration (or at least their continued presence here) was not "illegal" after all.

    So the lawyers who win these cases are not "doomed to failure".

    I am not sure I agree with you about Australia but it doesn't in any event seem particularly relevant to the PM's comments.

    The logic of your position is that we should just get on with it and "illegally" extradict people who have a right to stay here by denying them the protection of the law.
  • NEW - Westminster Voting Intention

    LAB 41% (-1)
    CON 34% (+1)
    LD 10% (+1)
    SNP 4% (-)
    GRN 3% (-1)
    OTH 7% (-1)

    2053 UK adults aged 18+ online, 10th June '22. Changes w/ April 29 ‘22

    Whomp whomp BJO what will you do
  • Also, have put ice down my pants to cool off
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
    OnboardG1 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...

    There was one where a strange radio signal was picked up for years. They worked out it was terrestrial in origin, so discounted it as anything 'interesting', but could not work out what it was.

    eventually they discovered it was a microwave oven within the facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years

    This is a new telescope. They are still learning about it. They allow tourists relatively near it. It will be interference.

    (As an aside, there are black panels beside the M11 northbound from Junction 11 northwards. These are apparently barriers to reduce interference from the road traffic to the radio telescopes a couple of miles west at Lord's Bridge).
    Not a new thing ... (especially for @Sunil_Prasannan )

    https://www.nature.com/articles/044127a0.pdf
    Wow, that's quite a find! I'm unsurprised they had significant problems with early electrical kit...

    My own little story: when we were working in radio, we found units would occasionally glitch out; after many hours, there would be a small errant signal in the output. We instrumented units to see what was going on, but could find nothing. We got everyone to turn off their mobile phones, and all electricals off bar the test kit. It still happened. When we got the same behaviour in a screened room, we realised it was not a problem with input radio interference.

    (It turned out to be a software issue; a semaphore between processor cores that was not being released immediately. A bit of a bugger to find, but when we found it, we did a search and found a couple of other similar problems that had not been noticed.)

    Radio is weird. It is the domain of wizards and witches.
    I spent three months last year chasing a weird intermittent noise signal in some measuring kit thinking it was internal. The kit is basically a big pair of dipoles at 90 degrees and I worked out that the interference had to be directional. Did the spectral analysis and couldn’t work it out. Eventually it just vanished. I saw a paper recently trying to find a similar problem and based on that I’m pretty sure it’s a big logging machine with a PWM driven synchronous motor. I think they must have banged an Earth rod in and the harmonics from the PWM bled into the ground. That would explain the intermittency and the directionality. I was going spare trying to work it out.
    I sold a pair of CD players and a CD of white noise to Ferranti Defence Systems many years ago.

    They complained that the outputs did not match. One of the players was several dB lower than the other.

    We despatched an engineer who showed them how to work the remote volume controls...
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 839

    OnboardG1 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.

    Desperately chasing EU leaders for a photo op...

    There's a metaphor somewhere.

    Third trip this year to Kyiv for PM - second since the war started. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1537806957683286020/photo/1

    Safer than visiting marginals.
    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.
    I’m sure it is. Fantastic images bolstering the Boris brand,

    Pres Z looks genuinely warm and happy to see Boris, compared to how bewildered he looked yesterday with the unsupportive domehead and viper talking French.
    Hmm. I’m not convinced. Rising cost of living, pending by election and the PM is photo-bombing Zelensky rather than visiting Doncaster. He could easily have waited until tomorrow surely?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Pathetic. He didn't want the barracking so he's hopped off to the Ukraine for another of his photo ops.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61842137
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
    NEW - Westminster Voting Intention

    LAB 41% (-1)
    CON 34% (+1)
    LD 10% (+1)
    SNP 4% (-)
    GRN 3% (-1)
    OTH 7% (-1)

    2053 UK adults aged 18+ online, 10th June '22. Changes w/ April 29 ‘22 https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1537814001794547713/photo/1
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,503

    Also, have put ice down my pants to cool off

    The polling today must be really exciting.
  • So most people that think Starmer is boring either don't care or think it's a good quality.

    And that represents about 18% of the population.

    Boring is not the issue, it is policies
  • Carnyx said:

    Also, have put ice down my pants to cool off

    The polling today must be really exciting.
    Something is certainly rising and it's not just the Lib Dem numbers
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,939
    Greetings Earthlings. Scorchio lunch done and home to melt. In nutjob news Germany is considering making masks compulsory indoors every year from October till Easter. Its for your 'health' you know.
    Last nights by elections quite interesting.comfy Labour hold in Warwick, comfy Tory hold in Rother with strong LD showing too, labour hold in Sunderland but net swing to Tory and an indy and the Tories picked up a Wyre forest area seat KHHC abandoned.
    Tory vote holding up ok in the red wall wards contested.
    Small data points though.
    Survation have a poll including PR question/VI later
    Germany. Lol @ the mask addicts
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    OnboardG1 said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.

    Desperately chasing EU leaders for a photo op...

    There's a metaphor somewhere.

    Third trip this year to Kyiv for PM - second since the war started. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1537806957683286020/photo/1

    Safer than visiting marginals.
    I’m not sure this looks as great to the man in the street as Crosby and co think.
    I’m sure it is. Fantastic images bolstering the Boris brand,

    Pres Z looks genuinely warm and happy to see Boris, compared to how bewildered he looked yesterday with the unsupportive domehead and viper talking French.
    Hmm. I’m not convinced. Rising cost of living, pending by election and the PM is photo-bombing Zelensky rather than visiting Doncaster. He could easily have waited until tomorrow surely?
    Yeah this is going to start wearing very thin with the electorate.

    Fix the UK!
  • Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+3)
    CON: 34% (+2)
    LDEM: 12% (-3)
    GRN: 4% (-2)

    via @RedfieldWilton, 15 Jun
    Chgs. w/ 12 Jun

    Oh dear BJO wrong again!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,970

    Greetings Earthlings. Scorchio lunch done and home to melt. In nutjob news Germany is considering making masks compulsory indoors every year from October till Easter. Its for your 'health' you know.
    Last nights by elections quite interesting.comfy Labour hold in Warwick, comfy Tory hold in Rother with strong LD showing too, labour hold in Sunderland but net swing to Tory and an indy and the Tories picked up a Wyre forest area seat KHHC abandoned.
    Tory vote holding up ok in the red wall wards contested.
    Small data points though.
    Survation have a poll including PR question/VI later
    Germany. Lol @ the mask addicts

    Please tell me that’s a joke about Germany

  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Scott_xP said:

    One Tory MP at the Northern Research Group conference - where Boris Johnson failed to turn up - utterly furious

    Says they were being told Johnson “was on the train to Doncaster” this morning

    “This is the first test of outreach to his colleagues and he’s failed it”, they said

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1537812897866436608

    He hates scrutiny and hates criticism.

    Couldn't stand the heat so he has bummed off to Kyiv. Wish he would stay there.
  • https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1537814005615669249

    PR experiment from Survation, Labour win either way
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 839
    Scott_xP said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...

    There was one where a strange radio signal was picked up for years. They worked out it was terrestrial in origin, so discounted it as anything 'interesting', but could not work out what it was.

    eventually they discovered it was a microwave oven within the facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years

    This is a new telescope. They are still learning about it. They allow tourists relatively near it. It will be interference.

    (As an aside, there are black panels beside the M11 northbound from Junction 11 northwards. These are apparently barriers to reduce interference from the road traffic to the radio telescopes a couple of miles west at Lord's Bridge).
    Not a new thing ... (especially for @Sunil_Prasannan )

    https://www.nature.com/articles/044127a0.pdf
    Wow, that's quite a find! I'm unsurprised they had significant problems with early electrical kit...

    My own little story: when we were working in radio, we found units would occasionally glitch out; after many hours, there would be a small errant signal in the output. We instrumented units to see what was going on, but could find nothing. We got everyone to turn off their mobile phones, and all electricals off bar the test kit. It still happened. When we got the same behaviour in a screened room, we realised it was not a problem with input radio interference.

    (It turned out to be a software issue; a semaphore between processor cores that was not being released immediately. A bit of a bugger to find, but when we found it, we did a search and found a couple of other similar problems that had not been noticed.)

    Radio is weird. It is the domain of wizards and witches.
    I spent three months last year chasing a weird intermittent noise signal in some measuring kit thinking it was internal. The kit is basically a big pair of dipoles at 90 degrees and I worked out that the interference had to be directional. Did the spectral analysis and couldn’t work it out. Eventually it just vanished. I saw a paper recently trying to find a similar problem and based on that I’m pretty sure it’s a big logging machine with a PWM driven synchronous motor. I think they must have banged an Earth rod in and the harmonics from the PWM bled into the ground. That would explain the intermittency and the directionality. I was going spare trying to work it out.
    I sold a pair of CD players and a CD of white noise to Ferranti Defence Systems many years ago.

    They complained that the outputs did not match. One of the players was several dB lower than the other.

    We despatched an engineer who showed them how to work the remote volume controls...
    Hah sounds about right. I know people who worked for them for a long time so I’ll have to pass that along.
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 62

    Among those who believe that Keir Starmer is boring, do they consider this to be a good or bad trait for a potential future Prime Minister?

    Bad 41%
    Neither 37%
    Good 21%

    Being dull is not automatically bad for a politician's popularity or success. Best way to be boring, is to lean into it, embrace it, make it part of your schtick. Lord Salisbury was good at that in this country, and so was Calvin Coolidge. However, both of these men seem to have possessed a naturally dry wit.

    Jokes do not seem to come naturally to Sir Kier; he ought to be able to pay someone to come up with some good pithy questions, and to game some laconic and witty comebacks.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 2,397

    Also, have put ice down my pants to cool off

    Unwise. You don't want anything freezing and snapping off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,708
    Currently mourning, honestly, this may rival Queen Victoria after the death of Albert.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jun/17/sadio-mane-leaving-liverpool-after-new-bayern-munich-offer-accepted
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,970
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:



    Palermo cathedral, the spot is the sun shining through the pinhole in the roof and indicating that it is in Cancer

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

    In this epoch, and at this time of year, roughly that of the Summer Solstice, the Sun lies on the borders of Taurus and Gemini.
    Are you bullish on that or in two minds on it?
    On reflection I think I was a bit previous here, you wait until the sun hits the line down the middle before taking your reading, so I think it would creep closer to Gemini

    Dammit! At noon tomorrow I will be I Luton Airport, god willing and if we are spared, so can't go back to look.
    Come to the Armenian Caucasus. It is SUBLIME


  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,939
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW - Westminster Voting Intention

    LAB 41% (-1)
    CON 34% (+1)
    LD 10% (+1)
    SNP 4% (-)
    GRN 3% (-1)
    OTH 7% (-1)

    2053 UK adults aged 18+ online, 10th June '22. Changes w/ April 29 ‘22 https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1537814001794547713/photo/1

    The 'PR' figures are 39/32/10 then green 6, reform 4 and wait for it......... ukip 3% hahahahahahaha
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,503

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Throwing a bit of cold water on @Leon 's aliens.

    https://phys.org/news/2022-06-giant-radio-telescope-china-aliens.html
    ...With such a large collecting area, FAST can pick up incredibly faint signals. It is about 20 times more sensitive than Australia's Murriyang telescope at the Parkes Radio Observatory. FAST could easily detect a transmitter on a nearby exoplanet with a similar output power to radar systems we have here on Earth.

    The trouble with being so sensitive is that you can uncover radio interference that would otherwise be too faint to detect. We SETI researchers have had this problem before.

    Last year, using Murriyang, we detected an extremely interesting signal we called BLC1.

    However, it turned out to be very strange interference (not aliens). To uncover its true nature, we had to develop a new verification framework.

    With BLC1, it took about a year from when it was initially reported to when peer-reviewed analysis was published. Similarly, we may need to wait a while for the FAST signal to be analyzed in depth.

    Professor Zhang Tongjie, chief scientist for the China Extraterrestrial Civilization Research Group, acknowledged this in the Science & Technology Daily report: "The possibility that the suspicious signal is some kind of radio interference is also very high, and it needs to be further confirmed and ruled out. This may be a long process."...

    There was one where a strange radio signal was picked up for years. They worked out it was terrestrial in origin, so discounted it as anything 'interesting', but could not work out what it was.

    eventually they discovered it was a microwave oven within the facility.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/05/microwave-oven-caused-mystery-signal-plaguing-radio-telescope-for-17-years

    This is a new telescope. They are still learning about it. They allow tourists relatively near it. It will be interference.

    (As an aside, there are black panels beside the M11 northbound from Junction 11 northwards. These are apparently barriers to reduce interference from the road traffic to the radio telescopes a couple of miles west at Lord's Bridge).
    Not a new thing ... (especially for @Sunil_Prasannan )

    https://www.nature.com/articles/044127a0.pdf
    Wow, that's quite a find! I'm unsurprised they had significant problems with early electrical kit...

    My own little story: when we were working in radio, we found units would occasionally glitch out; after many hours, there would be a small errant signal in the output. We instrumented units to see what was going on, but could find nothing. We got everyone to turn off their mobile phones, and all electricals off bar the test kit. It still happened. When we got the same behaviour in a screened room, we realised it was not a problem with input radio interference.

    (It turned out to be a software issue; a semaphore between processor cores that was not being released immediately. A bit of a bugger to find, but when we found it, we did a search and found a couple of other similar problems that had not been noticed.)

    Radio is weird. It is the domain of wizards and witches.
    By way of Friday afternoon light relief this looks promising, now I'ved finished my current (no pun intended) job:

    http://www.royalobservatorygreenwich.org/articles.php?article=911
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 2,376

    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    How many by-election losers are ever heard of again?

    There was Blair in 1982, but apart from that?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether being a Conservative by-election candidate right now is a one-way ticket to Obscurityville, and that's enough to put off the capable and ambitious.
    Zac Goldsmith in 2016.

    Nigel Evans in 1991.
    Ludovic Kennedy?...What happened to him?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,028
    Scott_xP said:

    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.

    Desperately chasing EU leaders for a photo op...

    There's a metaphor somewhere.

    Third trip this year to Kyiv for PM - second since the war started. https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1537806957683286020/photo/1

    Safer than visiting marginals.
    Because in the eyes of some people the PM can do nothing right - even when he’s being the closest ally of a country that is literally under attack from the dictator next door, who’s killing and raping their people.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156

    Carnyx said:

    Boris in Kyiv

    He's that frightened of the Red Wallers?!
    He thinks He can get more votes next week appearing there than in the constituency’s getting booed by public.

    And Crosby is right, he will.
    No he really won't.

    You're not a tory activist in disguise ... are you?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,939
    Leon said:

    Greetings Earthlings. Scorchio lunch done and home to melt. In nutjob news Germany is considering making masks compulsory indoors every year from October till Easter. Its for your 'health' you know.
    Last nights by elections quite interesting.comfy Labour hold in Warwick, comfy Tory hold in Rother with strong LD showing too, labour hold in Sunderland but net swing to Tory and an indy and the Tories picked up a Wyre forest area seat KHHC abandoned.
    Tory vote holding up ok in the red wall wards contested.
    Small data points though.
    Survation have a poll including PR question/VI later
    Germany. Lol @ the mask addicts

    Please tell me that’s a joke about Germany

    Nope read Die Welt
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 697
    edited June 17
    Nigelb said:

    This is very good news.
    Should feed through to commercial products quite soon.

    30-year perovskite solar cells and the new approach to testing them for the long haul
    https://techxplore.com/news/2022-06-year-perovskite-solar-cells-approach.html

    I also scan the news on fusion and green ammonia and gravity batteries and tidal power and water well energy storage and all the rest in the hope the cavalry is coming.

    I don't see the evidence it is though. Not in time for 2050. Not even close. Even though billions are being invested into it and energy prices are now high enough for the innovators to get their skates on. It just isn't happening.

    And that's why the hard target is a massive issue. Its the only issue.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 839

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (+3)
    CON: 34% (+2)
    LDEM: 12% (-3)
    GRN: 4% (-2)

    via @RedfieldWilton, 15 Jun
    Chgs. w/ 12 Jun

    Oh dear BJO wrong again!

    More ice horsie? I suspect this is MOE noise, but this is the first time we’ve seen consistent Lab scores in the 40s right?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,383

    Not convinced.

    The value bet is Tory for sure, as that graph is at odds with how we feel about it in our minds?

    Another reason I am not sure Lib Dems have this, which I want to run passed Woolie if he is seeing same thing as me in national polling, since the vonc. Boris and his government ratings seem to be rallying, firming up and ticking upwards in polling. Crazy if true, as it means MoonRabbits much vaunted June Gloom in polling for Tories isn’t going to happen - I was thinking like 2012, two naff spring budgets, voters not happy about governments financial management, Tories summer slump in polls and gap grows. But it’s not happening, Boris and the Tory ratings getting stronger if anything. And that is another reason not to be so sure of Libdems winning Horny Town. (Though a Saxon ton is basically a farmstead to be literal about it).

    There’s something about the vonc, 200+ publically backing everything Boris has done and said, that may actually have drawn a line under Partygate and the voters have moved on, maybe? Geets resignation has barely rippled coffee in the cup this side of vonc. it took the wind from the rebellion. Or something about the governments management of cost of living crisis the voters like that is now firming and up ticking Boris and government rating up all the time now - or maybe all those three things at once.

    I’ll celebrate the Libdem win if it happens, but I am not at all sure today.
    "since the vonc. Boris and his government ratings seem to be rallying, firming up and ticking upwards in polling"



    I mean, there's the tiniest of bounces. And the Conservative vote share is higher than around Christmas-time, but I wouldn't describe it as ticking up yet.

    The only significant move I can divine is that - in the last six months - the LibDems have gone from 7-8%, duking it out with the Greens for third, to 12-13%.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082
    Sandpit said:

    Because in the eyes of some people the PM can do nothing right

    Like this guy...

    One Tory MP at the Northern Research Group conference - where Boris Johnson failed to turn up - utterly furious

    Says they were being told Johnson “was on the train to Doncaster” this morning

    “This is the first test of outreach to his colleagues and he’s failed it”, they said
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 2,939
    edited June 17

    https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1537814005615669249

    PR experiment from Survation, Labour win either way

    Ukip 3%. The mighty ukip and their 7 councillors and barely any members and no presence on 3%
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 6,012

    Heathener said:

    She is dreadful. Absolutely awful.

    With an attitude like that the tories are in for a real kicking in T&H, despite @MoonRabbit 's wobbles.

    The only vague chance the tories would have had there would be a candidate who totally disowned the wicked clown in No.10.

    It's going to be a massive LibDem win: well in excess of 10% ahead.
    How many by-election losers are ever heard of again?

    There was Blair in 1982, but apart from that?

    I guess what I'm wondering is whether being a Conservative by-election candidate right now is a one-way ticket to Obscurityville, and that's enough to put off the capable and ambitious.
    Zac Goldsmith in 2016.

    Nigel Evans in 1991.
    Thanks all.

    I'd put Blair, Phil Spreadsheet and Ruthie D in a slightly different sub category- they were flying the flag in a hopeless seat, rather than losing somewhere that ought to be winnable.

    Can't help but wonder what Zac's appeal is- he's got a very mixed (being charitable) electoral record.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 42,827
    edited June 17
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Our Dean of Faculty is somewhat cross with the PM (again).
    He has written him a letter:

    "...To suggest that lawyers who act in immigration in Judicial Reviews are "abetting the work of criminal gangs" is wrong in law. It is fatuous. It is vacuous. And, most worringly, it is dangerous...Most reasonable people understand that resorting to law does not undermine confidence in the legal system; rather it shows a healthy legal system in action."

    He's right, of course. A government that does not respect the rule of law itself is dangerous and undermines the constitutional foundations of our country.

    The issue isn’t lawyers themselves, but rather a system that appears to allow for almost unlimited numbers of appeals and injunctions, presumably funded by activist groups, that mean that in practice it’s almost impossible to deport someone from the UK.
    The number of appeals honestly isn't the problem. The system simply does not work. People can live here for decades without being traced or challenged. People who are told to leave don't. And we fail to do anything about it for so long that the facts change materially giving them new grounds of appeal, such as a right to family life because by the time we do anything about it they have had kids here and they are at school.

    The standard immigration case will be decided by the Home Office. They can take absurdly long periods of time. Over a year is not at all unusual. In a number of cases that decision will be appealed to a First Tier Tribunal. In a very small number of cases there will be an appeal to an Upper Tribunal. Judicial review is a very small part of the system, usually when something has gone wrong in the process or when someone was not told about something for reasons that are not their fault.

    The major problem is our failure to act on the decisions made. And it always has been.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Not convinced.

    The value bet is Tory for sure, as that graph is at odds with how we feel about it in our minds?

    Another reason I am not sure Lib Dems have this, which I want to run passed Woolie if he is seeing same thing as me in national polling, since the vonc. Boris and his government ratings seem to be rallying, firming up and ticking upwards in polling. Crazy if true, as it means MoonRabbits much vaunted June Gloom in polling for Tories isn’t going to happen - I was thinking like 2012, two naff spring budgets, voters not happy about governments financial management, Tories summer slump in polls and gap grows. But it’s not happening, Boris and the Tory ratings getting stronger if anything. And that is another reason not to be so sure of Libdems winning Horny Town. (Though a Saxon ton is basically a farmstead to be literal about it).

    There’s something about the vonc, 200+ publically backing everything Boris has done and said, that may actually have drawn a line under Partygate and the voters have moved on, maybe? Geets resignation has barely rippled coffee in the cup this side of vonc. it took the wind from the rebellion. Or something about the governments management of cost of living crisis the voters like that is now firming and up ticking Boris and government rating up all the time now - or maybe all those three things at once.

    I’ll celebrate the Libdem win if it happens, but I am not at all sure today.
    "since the vonc. Boris and his government ratings seem to be rallying, firming up and ticking upwards in polling"



    I mean, there's the tiniest of bounces. And the Conservative vote share is higher than around Christmas-time, but I wouldn't describe it as ticking up yet.

    The only significant move I can divine is that - in the last six months - the LibDems have gone from 7-8%, duking it out with the Greens for third, to 12-13%.
    Labour is amazingly flat, which suggests this is their current ceiling. They'd likely squeeze that Green vote which puts them around 43% fairly consistently which is 1997 level for them.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,082

    Radio is weird. It is the domain of wizards and witches.

    Antenna design is just making runes with conductive paint...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,970

    Leon said:

    Greetings Earthlings. Scorchio lunch done and home to melt. In nutjob news Germany is considering making masks compulsory indoors every year from October till Easter. Its for your 'health' you know.
    Last nights by elections quite interesting.comfy Labour hold in Warwick, comfy Tory hold in Rother with strong LD showing too, labour hold in Sunderland but net swing to Tory and an indy and the Tories picked up a Wyre forest area seat KHHC abandoned.
    Tory vote holding up ok in the red wall wards contested.
    Small data points though.
    Survation have a poll including PR question/VI later
    Germany. Lol @ the mask addicts

    Please tell me that’s a joke about Germany

    Nope read Die Welt
    I honestly find it hard to get my head around. Mental

    Even the East Asians - always pro-mask - have never made them ”compulsory indoors over winter” - every winter. Nowhere near it

    The pandemic has sent quite a few people crazy. It is arguable it has sent smarter people crazier than stupid people, cf Brexit
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW - Westminster Voting Intention

    LAB 41% (-1)
    CON 34% (+1)
    LD 10% (+1)
    SNP 4% (-)
    GRN 3% (-1)
    OTH 7% (-1)

    2053 UK adults aged 18+ online, 10th June '22. Changes w/ April 29 ‘22 https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1537814001794547713/photo/1

    The Tory’s are getting stronger and stronger all the time since the vonc. And the greens are withering in the heat.

    We have had the two week plus since the vonc, and there is more than enough evidence to say MoonRabbit called it very wrong, rather than the Tory share going backwards in June, it’s going up, bit by bit, as with Johnson’s personal ratings recovering bit by bit.

    It’s there in front of us. But I can’t explain why voters feel like this. 🙇‍♀️
  • Scott_xP said:

    NEW - Westminster Voting Intention

    LAB 41% (-1)
    CON 34% (+1)
    LD 10% (+1)
    SNP 4% (-)
    GRN 3% (-1)
    OTH 7% (-1)

    2053 UK adults aged 18+ online, 10th June '22. Changes w/ April 29 ‘22 https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1537814001794547713/photo/1

    The Tory’s are getting stronger and stronger all the time since the vonc. And the greens are withering in the heat.

    We have had the two week plus since the vonc, and there is more than enough evidence to say MoonRabbit called it very wrong, rather than the Tory share going backwards in June, it’s going up, bit by bit, as with Johnson’s personal ratings recovering bit by bit.

    It’s there in front of us. But I can’t explain why voters feel like this. 🙇‍♀️
    I mean, sort of. They've ticked up from what low 30s to mid 30s ish?
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