Helpfully 1c gives you the option to state 'items should not be sold in imperial measures'.
Have filled in the consultation. Pointing out that its not 1953 so why would we want to ignore the metric global standard and impose huge costs on ourselves? Again?
Ditto, thanks for the tip-off @Tres. I have filled in the consultation, but honestly what a waste of government time and effort.
It's a good job the country doesn't have any real issues to solve, eh?
They asked if there might be possible costs to it.
My response was, roughly, 'shouldn't you have worked this out before putting it out to consultation?'
Ive just been poring over the red wall 2019 results to assust with pouring cold water on the 'only boris can deliver the red wall' garbage. Nonsense. In almost all the gains its all about the collapse of the Labour vote. Cons added between 1 and 4000 in most, Labour lost several thousand in all of them (many to Farage and co). Theres your red wall battle, do the missing labour voters come home? Or is BXP the new UKIP 2015 gateway drug? If they go back to Labour then so do the seats in large part
I expect there will be massive churn. And that it will be in completely different net directions in ostensibly similar regions. Part of the myth was Hartlepool. Which was just about the ideal one for the Tories. Massive BXP vote to squeeze at the zenith of Tory popularity. Now we get Wakefield. Almost no BXP vote at a Tory nadir. The polling says the PM is popular in the Midlands. Not the north.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
Helpfully 1c gives you the option to state 'items should not be sold in imperial measures'.
Have filled in the consultation. Pointing out that its not 1953 so why would we want to ignore the metric global standard and impose huge costs on ourselves? Again?
Key section in the consultation document on the current law:
"As a result, in general, while imperial units can be used alongside metric units, the imperial markings must be no larger or no more prominent than the metric ones."
Absolute non-issue.
I would tick the box marked "almost anything else I can think of is more important".
The issue of course is the consultation is self-selecting. Generally the vast majority of people* who likewise feel that "almost anything else I can think of is more important" will not complete the consultation, leaving it to the pounds and ounces nutjobs.
(*The exceptions being PB nerds like me, of course.)
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
HYUFD does admit he's wrong, just not when he's being abused and bullied.
He really doesn't, and that's the core of the problem.
Well I don't agree. He does admit he's wrong.
Does he? Being busy I must have missed them. Can you name three occasions?
Against that he's lectured engineers on the qualifications needed for their profession, university lecturers on the hierarchy of degrees, a number of teachers on how pay is awarded, me on the process for writing academic history, and all of us on points of geography that he clearly doesn't get - e.g. confusing the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea.
And every time, even when it has been repeatedly demonstrated to him that he's wrong, he refuses to accept it and becomes abusive. Which is what the criticism was all about yesterday.
Now there's nothing wrong in being ignorant of these things. Nobody can know everything. But if you are shown to be wrong, by an expert, you should accept instruction and change your views.
Hyufd is more like Cummings or Gove, in that if the facts disagree with his views, the facts are wrong.
Which is unfortunate because in many key ways he is a very valuable poster. His knowledge of polling is unrivalled and he does provide a key insight into the tribal Tory right.
If people don't want a more aggressive response from me then they shouldn't dish it out themselves.
I certainly don't pretend to be an expert, this is a forum for political argument and discussion if anything not an academic seminar.
Thanks for your final sentence
But you do. At point point you haughtily lectured me about a place I used to live that you had never visited. Telling me how I was wrong.
In which case you also equally claim to be an expert too
I claimed to know more about the place I lived in for 4 years which you have never visited than you do. Because I do. And yet you claimed the opposite. In that conceited haughty sneer of yours.
You aren't really a proper poster till @HYUFD has enlightened you on your topics of particular specialist knowledge.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
Relatively well-to-do, middle-aged and older gentlemen trend Conservative. No particular reason why the PB commentariat should be any different to the wider population in that regard.
My point is that it’s got worse. That’s just my instinct.
It may be an exogenous force; the weird stasis in party politics means we go round and round in circles. We are repeating the same arguments over and over; this didn’t use to be the case.
I'm not sure that's true. The circular arguments about Brexit and Scotland have both been going on for many years.
More generally, I think you may simply be suffering from sense of dread that things will never change. I get that. The situation has become so dire that it is entirely possible to imagine Boris Johnson leading the Conservative Party into the next General Election and winning it off the back of the grey vote. But the important thing to acknowledge is that we are all powerless to do anything about this.
I always endeavour to worry only about those few things that I can actually control, and treat most of what we talk about on here as a pastime. I'm not always terribly successful, but I try.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
The 34% in Opinium is a swing back adjusted figure, not what their polling of electorate got.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
Helpfully 1c gives you the option to state 'items should not be sold in imperial measures'.
Have filled in the consultation. Pointing out that its not 1953 so why would we want to ignore the metric global standard and impose huge costs on ourselves? Again?
Key section in the consultation document on the current law:
"As a result, in general, while imperial units can be used alongside metric units, the imperial markings must be no larger or no more prominent than the metric ones."
Absolute non-issue.
I would tick the box marked "almost anything else I can think of is more important".
The issue of course is the consultation is self-selecting. Generally the vast majority of people* who likewise feel that "almost anything else I can think of is more important" will not complete the consultation, leaving it to the pounds and ounces nutjobs.
(*The exceptions being PB nerds like me, of course.)
The architecture industry is pleading with practicing architects to input; the fear is that a disorderly reintroduction of imperial will lead to building errors.
Helpfully 1c gives you the option to state 'items should not be sold in imperial measures'.
Have filled in the consultation. Pointing out that its not 1953 so why would we want to ignore the metric global standard and impose huge costs on ourselves? Again?
Ditto, thanks for the tip-off @Tres. I have filled in the consultation, but honestly what a waste of government time and effort.
It's a good job the country doesn't have any real issues to solve, eh?
They asked if there might be possible costs to it.
My response was, roughly, 'shouldn't you have worked this out before putting it out to consultation?'
It's not as though it would be hard to!
Done, too. I noted the need to duplicate all weights and measures and the associated workloads for Trading Standards staff, at a time when public spending on such things is under pressure.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
BJO would have to soldier on alone.
Except even BJO is a Burnham supporting leftwinger who hates Starmer rather than a real Boris loyalist
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
BJO would have to soldier on alone.
I’m not even sure Johnny Owl is paying much attention to politics anymore.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
And that is why its important you stay. Its just that "Boris supporting Tories" are something of a minority. It must be exhausting to haughtily exhale so much guff about the moral righteousness of your position whilst supporting lies criminality and malfeasance as you do.
So please don't stop. We need you and those like you to complete the utter defenestration of your cesspit of a political position.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
BJO would have to soldier on alone.
Except even BJO is a Burnham supporting leftwinger who hates Starmer rather than a real Boris loyalist
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
Ive just been poring over the red wall 2019 results to assust with pouring cold water on the 'only boris can deliver the red wall' garbage. Nonsense. In almost all the gains its all about the collapse of the Labour vote. Cons added between 1 and 4000 in most, Labour lost several thousand in all of them (many to Farage and co). Theres your red wall battle, do the missing labour voters come home? Or is BXP the new UKIP 2015 gateway drug? If they go back to Labour then so do the seats in large part
I expect there will be massive churn. And that it will be in completely different net directions in ostensibly similar regions. Part of the myth was Hartlepool. Which was just about the ideal one for the Tories. Massive BXP vote to squeeze at the zenith of Tory popularity. Now we get Wakefield. Almost no BXP vote at a Tory nadir. The polling says the PM is popular in the Midlands. Not the north.
Wskefield should be between 10 and 20% swing. Any less and labour heading for humiliating defeat in 24, more and SKS is PM probably There is however a chunky BXP vote to squeeze in some interesting areas. Sunderland Central and the Washington/Houghton seat mash up will be seats to watch in any closish result, both should be gains for Con on a national 5% vote lead or thereabouts, and maybe even at a tie if they have been effectively targetted. They are the sorts of sests most likely to go against the head in England. Obviously not in the current climate.
Helpfully 1c gives you the option to state 'items should not be sold in imperial measures'.
Have filled in the consultation. Pointing out that its not 1953 so why would we want to ignore the metric global standard and impose huge costs on ourselves? Again?
Key section in the consultation document on the current law:
"As a result, in general, while imperial units can be used alongside metric units, the imperial markings must be no larger or no more prominent than the metric ones."
Absolute non-issue.
I would tick the box marked "almost anything else I can think of is more important".
The issue of course is the consultation is self-selecting. Generally the vast majority of people* who likewise feel that "almost anything else I can think of is more important" will not complete the consultation, leaving it to the pounds and ounces nutjobs.
(*The exceptions being PB nerds like me, of course.)
The architecture industry is pleading with practicing architects to input; the fear is that a disorderly reintroduction of imperial will lead to building errors.
I remember the research institute where I worked as a student ca. 1976. The old gents in the workshop were given a sketched plan in mm for an instrument box. What came out was a generous coffin ...
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I remember the research institute where I worked as a student ca. 1976. The old gents in the workshop were given a sketched plan in mm for an instrument box. What came out was a generous coffin ...
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
Relatively well-to-do, middle-aged and older gentlemen trend Conservative. No particular reason why the PB commentariat should be any different to the wider population in that regard.
My point is that it’s got worse. That’s just my instinct.
It may be an exogenous force; the weird stasis in party politics means we go round and round in circles. We are repeating the same arguments over and over; this didn’t use to be the case.
I'm not sure that's true. The circular arguments about Brexit and Scotland have both been going on for many years.
More generally, I think you may simply be suffering from sense of dread that things will never change. I get that. The situation has become so dire that it is entirely possible to imagine Boris Johnson leading the Conservative Party into the next General Election and winning it off the back of the grey vote. But the important thing to acknowledge is that we are all powerless to do anything about this.
I always endeavour to worry only about those few things that I can actually control, and treat most of what we talk about on here as a pastime. I'm not always terribly successful, but I try.
I don’t see the system working.
The media is also failing to do its job, undercut on one hand by the inanity of social media and on the other by the grasping ignorance of elderly readers/voters.
As for your latter advice, yes, perhaps I must cultivate my jardin.
Helpfully 1c gives you the option to state 'items should not be sold in imperial measures'.
Have filled in the consultation. Pointing out that its not 1953 so why would we want to ignore the metric global standard and impose huge costs on ourselves? Again?
Key section in the consultation document on the current law:
"As a result, in general, while imperial units can be used alongside metric units, the imperial markings must be no larger or no more prominent than the metric ones."
Absolute non-issue.
I would tick the box marked "almost anything else I can think of is more important".
The issue of course is the consultation is self-selecting. Generally the vast majority of people* who likewise feel that "almost anything else I can think of is more important" will not complete the consultation, leaving it to the pounds and ounces nutjobs.
(*The exceptions being PB nerds like me, of course.)
If real life is anything like pb, they will be outnumbered by the metric nutjobs. The rest of us buy Daz in the big box or the little box with no idea how many grams are in a litre. Same with cornflakes, cans of lager and fish fingers.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
Rwanda appears to be a PR exercise. I see in the Mail that the government plans to “advertise” the policy to deter would-be migrants.
Advertise where? The Refugee Gazette? The Wretched-of-the-Earth Advertiser?
Apparently in Calais and the camps
Just think of the number of translations needed. And better quality than the usual contract crap or there will be puzzled Somalis reading "Come to Britain and smoked haddock a gratuitous excursion to Blackpool" in their Bidonville Daily.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
February? This year? What on earth took you so long?
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
February? This year? What on earth took you so long?
Lying is one thing. Most politicians do it as part of the day job.
Lying to Parliament is quite another order of magnitude of unacceptable.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
February? This year? What on earth took you so long?
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
February? This year? What on earth took you so long?
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
There must be someone here you respect. Ask them what they think of your posts. I'm sure Sean and Mark would respond. There is nothing wrong with asking for advice. It has nothing to do with politics so just cos Mark has binned Boris he is still a Tory.
I have no desire to drive you off or change your views, but you really do need help.
I remember the research institute where I worked as a student ca. 1976. The old gents in the workshop were given a sketched plan in mm for an instrument box. What came out was a generous coffin ...
It happens.
Is that Spinal Tap? (no idea - only guesssing ...)
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
February? This year? What on earth took you so long?
It was the garden bridge what done it for me.
The Owen Patterson affair is the worst thing that’s happened, in my opinion.
I was disappointed that there weren’t more Tory MPs who could see how bad it was.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
You can be a Tory and tactically vote for another party.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
February? This year? What on earth took you so long?
It was the garden bridge what done it for me.
The Owen Patterson affair is the worst thing that’s happened, in my opinion.
I was disappointed that there weren’t more Tory MPs who could see how bad it was.
Prorogation was the pits. Owen Patterson was right down there yes.
The wallpaper was minor (money-wise), but quite flagrant, still don’t know how he got away with it.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
You can be a Tory and tactically vote for another party.
As you did.
You massive hypocrite.
I voted for every Tory candidate on that ballot paper. How many posters on here have never voted Labour at a general election like me and would vote Tory at the next general election even with Boris as leader? I suggest not many.
One day someone is going to do the full write up on Boris, and we’ll be amused/outraged all over again. We forget so much, there’s always a new scandal along in a minute.
Remember when Gove spiked his leadership bid and told us Boris was simply unfit to be PM? Unprecedented.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
You can be a Tory and tactically vote for another party.
As you did.
You massive hypocrite.
I voted for every Tory candidate on that ballot paper
That's a bit like saying I had a lettuce leaf for lunch, carefully omitting the cheeseburger, when Mrs C wants to know what I ate.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
You can be a Tory and tactically vote for another party.
As you did.
You massive hypocrite.
I voted for every Tory candidate on that ballot paper. How many posters on here have never voted Labour at a general election like me and would vote Tory at the next general election even with Boris as leader? I suggest not many.
I am a Tory loyalist
Loyalists do not vote Plaid Cymru. We all know this. Even you know this.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
Relatively well-to-do, middle-aged and older gentlemen trend Conservative. No particular reason why the PB commentariat should be any different to the wider population in that regard.
My point is that it’s got worse. That’s just my instinct.
It may be an exogenous force; the weird stasis in party politics means we go round and round in circles. We are repeating the same arguments over and over; this didn’t use to be the case.
I'm not sure that's true. The circular arguments about Brexit and Scotland have both been going on for many years.
More generally, I think you may simply be suffering from sense of dread that things will never change. I get that. The situation has become so dire that it is entirely possible to imagine Boris Johnson leading the Conservative Party into the next General Election and winning it off the back of the grey vote. But the important thing to acknowledge is that we are all powerless to do anything about this.
I always endeavour to worry only about those few things that I can actually control, and treat most of what we talk about on here as a pastime. I'm not always terribly successful, but I try.
I think I get you but strictly speaking I look at it the opposite way. If I can control something I don't worry about it (since I'll ensure the desired outcome with my efforts). What I worry about is what I can't control. Eg the result of the next general election or the possibility of Trump 2.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
I don’t know there seems to be a lot of Penny love on here.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
Hadn't thought of that but it is very true of nearly all party supporters here.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
I don’t know there seems to be a lot of Penny love on here.
Haven't they rather moved on from certain other Tory ladies? Very fickle, PBTories.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
Actually, I can't think of any Starmer 'fans' at all. I've never noticed anybody raving about him. There are a few of us who try to be loyal because he leads our party, and think he has done some things well (mainly internal to the LP), but enthusiasm for him personally is very muted. Worryingly so, from a Labour point of view.
'While it is understood that Andrew – seen out horse-riding at Windsor yesterday – is determined to keep his Royal Lodge estate in Windsor, one option could be for him to rebuild his life in Scotland.'
One day someone is going to do the full write up on Boris, and we’ll be amused/outraged all over again. We forget so much, there’s always a new scandal along in a minute.
Remember when Gove spiked his leadership bid and told us Boris was simply unfit to be PM? Unprecedented.
This really. Johnson should have been PM after Cameron resigned. But for whatever reason he wasn't up to it. He was a shit Foreign Minister and then only resigned when he did because David Davis did. Yet you talk to voters on the doorstep and up till this spring they would say, 'poor old Boris, he's never had a chance'. Baffling.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
Relatively well-to-do, middle-aged and older gentlemen trend Conservative. No particular reason why the PB commentariat should be any different to the wider population in that regard.
My point is that it’s got worse. That’s just my instinct.
It may be an exogenous force; the weird stasis in party politics means we go round and round in circles. We are repeating the same arguments over and over; this didn’t use to be the case.
I'm not sure that's true. The circular arguments about Brexit and Scotland have both been going on for many years.
More generally, I think you may simply be suffering from sense of dread that things will never change. I get that. The situation has become so dire that it is entirely possible to imagine Boris Johnson leading the Conservative Party into the next General Election and winning it off the back of the grey vote. But the important thing to acknowledge is that we are all powerless to do anything about this.
I always endeavour to worry only about those few things that I can actually control, and treat most of what we talk about on here as a pastime. I'm not always terribly successful, but I try.
I don’t see the system working.
The media is also failing to do its job, undercut on one hand by the inanity of social media and on the other by the grasping ignorance of elderly readers/voters.
As for your latter advice, yes, perhaps I must cultivate my jardin.
FWIW I reckon that most of the legion of elderly Conservative backers are grasping but not ignorant. They know exactly what they're doing. They believe that they're entitled to their big annual pension increases, and to pass on 100% of their estates to their kids, they expect other people to pay for it all, and they know they have the votes to make that happen.
Generally speaking, most of the population conforms to Mrs Thatcher's slightly misquoted dictum about there being no such thing as society, only families and individuals. There are more than enough resources in this land to give everyone at least a minimum standard of living without having to resort to communism or anything like it. The fact that we still have large numbers of people in absolute poverty (the street homeless being only the most obvious manifestation of the problem) is the result of greed. It is as simple as that.
I notice that the government consultation on imperial measures is being run by the Metrology Policy Team.
If they're serious about cutting Civil Service numbers, it's hard to think of a better place to start.
Metrology is serious business and HMG has participated in international negotiations over international measurements standards since the 19th century. And also needs to enforce the accuracy of measurements in the domestic economy.
There's so much that the government does that people simply don't understand.
Rwanda appears to be a PR exercise. I see in the Mail that the government plans to “advertise” the policy to deter would-be migrants.
Advertise where? The Refugee Gazette? The Wretched-of-the-Earth Advertiser?
The refugees aren't the target audience. The adverts are to gull the gammons into thinking something is being done about the transmanche informal immigrants.
Yes, that I was the point I was trying to make, obviously badly.
It’s an extremely expensive PR exercise for the benefit of the Daily Mail.
We say this at our peril, this will be shoring up votes.
Well not if it’s not effective.
I get that a large percentage of the electorate are quite stupid, but the truth catches up with you eventually.
I hope.
The trouble is we have government-by-trolling.
The whole point of this scheme is to encourage people (Bad People, like the Archbishop of Canterbury and Prince Charles) to speak up against it. Becuase then, the government and its fellow travellers get to sound tough but realistic; "well, what would you do, then?"
It's a joke scheme, that simply doesn't have the numerical oomph behind it to work on its stated terms, but it will take time for the failure to happen. But that's the government's comfort zone- it's the same logic by which you-know-what will fail on the timescale of current voters lifetimes, everyone knows that really, which is why Sweden etc aren't running through the door we opened. But it's not yet politic to say that.
As someone who wants this government to fail so that a sane centre-right can grow out of the ashes, I think the best strategy is to let them get on with it. The sooner the failure comes, the more unambiguous that failure is, the less they can claim to have been stabbed in the back, the better. (See the whinging by frustrated Corbynites here and elsewhere). The trouble is that real people will get hurt as a result.
I am extraordinary pessimistic about the state of Britain. I see no “sane centre-right” waiting in the wings, nor a very plausible “sane centre-left”, and if this board is anything to go by the entire country is distracted by trivia like imperial measures and this Rwanda stunt.
Of course it’s no better in the US, but for years and years we laughed at how shit American politics was and how better off we were in sensible, doughy Britain.
No longer.
The whole purpose in stunts like Rwanda and resurrecting the Groat is because the government has no policies, no ideas, no care about the cost of living crisis or the affects of the Brexit settlement in NI and GB or any other issue.
I do agree though - I don't see much hope of a way back to what I would consider to be civilised debate. Teesside increasingly felt like a hate pit and I didn't see much sign of elsewhere being better. So we left for Scotland. Where we're insulated from much of it.
Could you expand a little on the Teeside comment? I fear that the West Midlands is of a similar ilk at the moment. As a born Staffordian I originally couldn't understand how the people of Stoke could elect such a moron as Gullis, then I remember what the people of stoke, and staffordshire for that matter were really like anyway.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
You can be a Tory and tactically vote for another party.
As you did.
You massive hypocrite.
I voted for every Tory candidate on that ballot paper. How many posters on here have never voted Labour at a general election like me and would vote Tory at the next general election even with Boris as leader? I suggest not many.
I am a Tory loyalist
I'm going to do one of your classic responses by responding to part of the question honestly as if that means anything. Here we go:
'I can honestly say I have never voted for any Labour candidate in any election in my 67 years'.
Yep meaningless response. It's annoying isn't it? Ring any bells?
'While it is understood that Andrew – seen out horse-riding at Windsor yesterday – is determined to keep his Royal Lodge estate in Windsor, one option could be for him to rebuild his life in Scotland.'
'While it is understood that Andrew – seen out horse-riding at Windsor yesterday – is determined to keep his Royal Lodge estate in Windsor, one option could be for him to rebuild his life in Scotland.'
"With his recent US legal battle now over, the Queen has held family meetings at Windsor Castle to establish what role the Duke could fulfil that would be acceptable to the public." The answer is none. Why is that not obvious to these people? Nobody is going to want to have him as president or patron or fete opener, why would they? Do they think his inherent royalness shines through and renders invisible his other little indiscretions? If they have any sense they will let him turn out for London bridge (dark suit, no medals) and then be seen to cast him entirely aside even if they privately think of him as good old uncle Andy. Which I doubt.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
You get props from me for seeing the light on Johnson but I must pose you a question -
If the polls were still giving chunky Con leads despite all his shenanigans would you still have turned against him?
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
Actually, I can't think of any Starmer 'fans' at all. I've never noticed anybody raving about him. There are a few of us who try to be loyal because he leads our party, and think he has done some things well (mainly internal to the LP), but enthusiasm for him personally is very muted. Worryingly so, from a Labour point of view.
It's interesting how none of the posters on here who are Lab members voted for him as 1st choice in the leadership election.
Apols if I've missed any who did but if it wasn't none it was very few.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
Actually, I can't think of any Starmer 'fans' at all. I've never noticed anybody raving about him. There are a few of us who try to be loyal because he leads our party, and think he has done some things well (mainly internal to the LP), but enthusiasm for him personally is very muted. Worryingly so, from a Labour point of view.
It's interesting how none of the posters on here who are Lab members voted for him as 1st choice in the leadership election.
Apols if I've missed any who did but if it wasn't none it was very few.
What is wrong with quiet, but reasonably competent?
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
Actually, I can't think of any Starmer 'fans' at all. I've never noticed anybody raving about him. There are a few of us who try to be loyal because he leads our party, and think he has done some things well (mainly internal to the LP), but enthusiasm for him personally is very muted. Worryingly so, from a Labour point of view.
It's interesting how none of the posters on here who are Lab members voted for him as 1st choice in the leadership election.
Apols if I've missed any who did but if it wasn't none it was very few.
What is wrong with quiet, but reasonably competent?
Nothing. But given he won so easily I just find it interesting that Lab PBers (inc me) didn't vote for him. Interesting because it implies we are not very representative of the wider membership.
Very articulate Rwandan spokesperson on LBC explaining the asylum agreement.
The interviewer was unaware that the asylum claims were to be processed in Rwanda and successful applicants would get to stay in Rwanda. ie it is not an offshore processing facility. I thought that was well known and a supposed feature not a bug.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
I don't think we have many Boris loyalists here. HYUFD gives a pro-Boris perspective but it's based entirely around his view of the electoral prospects. That's the same for the party in general, a few stalwarts excepted.
At least if HYUFD is driven off the site he is the user most likely to be replaceable by an AI bot.
How do we know that hasn't already happened?
An AI bot would admit when it was wrong.
"I don't understand the question. Here's something I do know" is pretty much the AI Bot response that HY gives to most things when he has dug himself into another pit.
He’s also a nasty piece of work, when you break down his opinions on various out-groups.
Thanks Horse for your comments but to be fair to BigG it was more kjh and Farooq who were being most aggressive to me yesterday.
GardenWalker it seems now joined the PB thought police for which any opinion to the right of David Cameron's is now beyond the pale
I have no issue with posts from the right. As I said yesterday you should maybe ask @MarqueeMark or @Sean_F what the issues are with your posts. They are of the right and both posters I respect. This has nothing to do with politics. Why do you think @MarqueeMark laid into you yesterday?
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
My complete inability to give in to you and your anti Boris agenda more like (and even MM is now no longer a Boris supporter even if still a Tory)
I stated in February that Boris fell well short of what is required of a Prime Minister. You may be prepared to forgive him anything because he has been a vote-magnet for the Tories. Therein lies the difference between us.
February? This year? What on earth took you so long?
It was the garden bridge what done it for me.
The Owen Patterson affair is the worst thing that’s happened, in my opinion.
I was disappointed that there weren’t more Tory MPs who could see how bad it was.
Prorogation was the pits. Owen Patterson was right down there yes.
The wallpaper was minor (money-wise), but quite flagrant, still don’t know how he got away with it.
I still haven't seen the wallpaper - I'd quite like a 'changing rooms' style reveal.
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
There's Boris loyalists and Tories. No overlap
Yes. I don’t mean Boris loyalists, they are beyond the pale. I mean there are too many instinctive Tories.
Actually, what I mean is that there aren’t enough *progressive* voices, and those that we do have are often driven off.
So about 34% of the country ie the number still voting for the Tories under Boris, are now 'beyond the pale' and you also complain there aren't enough leftwing voices on here? Presumably only Labour, LD, Green and SNP voters and Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories to be allowed to post on here if you had your way?
What I said is that there weren’t enough progressive posters. I didn’t suggest posting be restricted to just them (let alone “Jeremy Hunt supporting Tories).
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true. Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
If you banned me there would be literally 0 or close to 0 Boris supporting Tories that I can see and PB would become even more an echo chamber than it has increasingly become. Fortunately that is not your decision but OGH's
Your place here is assured not least as you are a true loyal Boris supporter, even if a bit lonely !
To be fair, there aren't too many Starmer fans, or for that matter Davey or Sturgeon either. Most PB followers don't seem obsessed by personality, so much as policy.
Hadn't thought of that but it is very true of nearly all party supporters here.
Partly the wisdom/weariness/cynicism that comes with age. The uber-loyal personality followers are the naive youngsters; the scales will fall from their eyes in time…..
There aren’t enough non-Tories on here, and the ones that put their heads above the parapet are getting driven off.
Is it because non-Tories are soft? Or just less nasty? Or is it because they have better things to do?
'There aren’t enough non-Tories on here?' Are you being serious, virtually everyone on here now backs Starmer Labour or the LDs or SNP at the moment, even former Tories like TSE and BigG and Nigel Foremain are anti Boris.
Despite the Tories being on 34% in the latest poll you can count the number of Boris loyalist Tories on here on one hand and that is including me in them!
Yes, it is downmarket Tories like you that are rare, here. We are awash in up-market Tories.
Except half of the so-called 'up-market Tories' eg TSE and Nigel Foremain, are now voting LD and no longer even Tories at all.
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
The posters on PB aren't representative at all TBH they aren't representative of tribal Tory voters and think politics is just a silly decorum game rather than about policy substance.
You provide very interesting analysis on Lab, LD and Con fortunes and it is still far more moored in reality than the majority of posters.
The criticism coming from RochdalePioneers is also bizarre given he only got 8% as an LD candidate and the Tories got one of their best results in Scotland in Troup ward (over 50%).
Interestingly the political sage Jon Tonge from Liverpool University is predicting Johnson to be succeeded by Liz Truss in several months time and the result of the next election to be roughly Con 301 Lab 262 SNP 45 LD 18
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My response was, roughly, 'shouldn't you have worked this out before putting it out to consultation?'
It's not as though it would be hard to!
And that it will be in completely different net directions in ostensibly similar regions.
Part of the myth was Hartlepool. Which was just about the ideal one for the Tories. Massive BXP vote to squeeze at the zenith of Tory popularity.
Now we get Wakefield. Almost no BXP vote at a Tory nadir.
The polling says the PM is popular in the Midlands. Not the north.
I would probably ban you, though, it’s true.
Apart from having the moral sense of a sex-starved weasel, you’re also incredibly dull.
(*The exceptions being PB nerds like me, of course.)
'Last thing we need!' Brexit fury at imperial measurement plan as 'tsunami' of issues hits
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1623173/brexit-news-imperial-measurements-boris-johnson-plan-latest
More generally, I think you may simply be suffering from sense of dread that things will never change. I get that. The situation has become so dire that it is entirely possible to imagine Boris Johnson leading the Conservative Party into the next General Election and winning it off the back of the grey vote. But the important thing to acknowledge is that we are all powerless to do anything about this.
I always endeavour to worry only about those few things that I can actually control, and treat most of what we talk about on here as a pastime. I'm not always terribly successful, but I try.
Apart from that, carry on 🙂
Most of the other half don't even support the PM and Tory leader
So please don't stop. We need you and those like you to complete the utter defenestration of your cesspit of a political position.
It is not your opinions that are a problem, although you do have some very extreme un-conservative views, but a cross representative set of views are healthy here..
It is your inability to ever accept you are wrong. It is your complete inability to comprehend posts. It is your complete inability to understand and misrepresent basic statistics and logic.
You asked me a question late afternoon yesterday re this and I responded positively. I might as well not bothered.
For god's sake take some advice from someone here you respect like Sean or Mark.
There is however a chunky BXP vote to squeeze in some interesting areas. Sunderland Central and the Washington/Houghton seat mash up will be seats to watch in any closish result, both should be gains for Con on a national 5% vote lead or thereabouts, and maybe even at a tie if they have been effectively targetted. They are the sorts of sests most likely to go against the head in England.
Obviously not in the current climate.
The media is also failing to do its job, undercut on one hand by the inanity of social media and on the other by the grasping ignorance of elderly readers/voters.
As for your latter advice, yes, perhaps I must cultivate my jardin.
What on earth took you so long?
Lying to Parliament is quite another order of magnitude of unacceptable.
I have no desire to drive you off or change your views, but you really do need help.
I was disappointed that there weren’t more Tory MPs who could see how bad it was.
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2022/06/azerbaijan-post-race-analysis-2022.html
As you did.
You massive hypocrite.
Owen Patterson was right down there yes.
The wallpaper was minor (money-wise), but quite flagrant, still don’t know how he got away with it.
I am a Tory loyalist
Remember when Gove spiked his leadership bid and told us Boris was simply unfit to be PM? Unprecedented.
If they're serious about cutting Civil Service numbers, it's hard to think of a better place to start.
'While it is understood that Andrew – seen out horse-riding at Windsor yesterday – is determined to keep his Royal Lodge estate in Windsor, one option could be for him to rebuild his life in Scotland.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10907889/William-Kate-Windsor-Andrew-Scotland-Harry-got-15-minute-Queen.html
Generally speaking, most of the population conforms to Mrs Thatcher's slightly misquoted dictum about there being no such thing as society, only families and individuals. There are more than enough resources in this land to give everyone at least a minimum standard of living without having to resort to communism or anything like it. The fact that we still have large numbers of people in absolute poverty (the street homeless being only the most obvious manifestation of the problem) is the result of greed. It is as simple as that.
There's so much that the government does that people simply don't understand.
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'I can honestly say I have never voted for any Labour candidate in any election in my 67 years'.
Yep meaningless response. It's annoying isn't it? Ring any bells?
"With his recent US legal battle now over, the Queen has held family meetings at Windsor Castle to establish what role the Duke could fulfil that would be acceptable to the public." The answer is none. Why is that not obvious to these people? Nobody is going to want to have him as president or patron or fete opener, why would they? Do they think his inherent royalness shines through and renders invisible his other little indiscretions? If they have any sense they will let him turn out for London bridge (dark suit, no medals) and then be seen to cast him entirely aside even if they privately think of him as good old uncle Andy. Which I doubt.
I suggest somewhere totally unglamorous, ie Middlesbrough.
If the polls were still giving chunky Con leads despite all his shenanigans would you still have turned against him?
Apols if I've missed any who did but if it wasn't none it was very few.
You provide very interesting analysis on Lab, LD and Con fortunes and it is still far more moored in reality than the majority of posters.
The criticism coming from RochdalePioneers is also bizarre given he only got 8% as an LD candidate and the Tories got one of their best results in Scotland in Troup ward (over 50%).
Interestingly the political sage Jon Tonge from Liverpool University is predicting Johnson to be succeeded by Liz Truss in several months time and the result of the next election to be roughly Con 301 Lab 262 SNP 45 LD 18