And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
It's many years sincce hings were like this. The hatred for Johnson (and anyone prepared to speak up for him) is visceral. Time to put your house on the Tories losing both by elections. The Tories and Johnson are f*cked!
Again people, why would you put ANY money on these by-elections until there is less than a day to go?
We could easily be into the election of a new PM by polling day. And the way events are moving, that likelihood gets greater as every day passes.
If Boris is gone, the LibDems fox will have been shot in T&H. (I expect the Tories to still lose Wakefield, pretty much regardless of circumstances - but not enough to back it regardless of events.)
But isn't the skill of betting to try to second guess "events"? If you believe that Johnson will be gone /on his way out by June 23 then the value bet is on a Tory hold in T&H. If you wait till all the unknowns are known then you are unlikely to ever make a killing. .
Happy with a modest win rather than a "killing".
I'll make the big money on Prime Minister Penny Mordaunt... 😉
You might be right with Morduant. I suspect that the Tory MPs will continue to dither up to the by-elections and in those circumstances an LD win is almost nailed on. If it looks as though they may move earlier a punt on a Tory hold would look attractive. I'll make my mind up on Monday!
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
I don't think that is true. Johnson is seen now less as an evil enemy - which is how many opponents saw Thatcher, Major and Blair - and more as a figure of utter derision and scorn. And that is an impression that has spread beyond those who just naturally oppose him and on to many who would normally support a Conservative government. Yes it may be wishful thinking on my part but I simply see no way back when he has become so derided.
Nah
Look at the people who are most performatively angered by his partying and most hysterically eager to see him go. They are nearly all Remoaners
And maybe they should have their slaughtered lamb. Maybe they will cease being so fruitlessly angry once he has gone
I don't think that is anywhere near true. A lot of those who voted Leave on here are vocal critics of Johnson. Some long term like me and others more recent. Within my circle of leave voting friends there is no one willing to defend Johnson these days.
Yes those who have always hated him because of Brexit will revel in his downfall but there are huge numbers of Leave supporters who will also be glad to see the back of him. A dislike of hypocrisy and dishonesty crosses all these political divides.
But there are still some who, when push comes to shove, are willing to tolerate Johnson because he gave them victories in 2016 and 2019. And there are others who, whilst they obviously can't accept Johnson's behaviour, can't bring themselves to act against him.
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
Is it not the case, Libdem, snp, green, others in the polling these days, the fact it’s not so 2 party in polling and voting these days the first passed post system disguises, that the modern equivalent these days, of just sneaking into double digits, is just as potent as something bigger in the past?
Sorry to be boring, but comparing polls these days with what was acceptable in the 80’s might be a bit of a naff basis for your argument?
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
the Oxford English Corpus contains almost twice as many instances of bored of than bored by. It represents a perfectly logical development of the language, and was probably formed on the pattern of expressions such as tired of or weary of.
This comment is the sort of bigoted nonsense I was referring to the other day but which legions of posters jumped in to tell me didn’t exist.
Ah, the New Zealander living in New York has arrived to give us his considered opinion on Britain. Again,
You keep repeating that but it only serves to remind us of your rather restrictive definition of Britishness.
It appears from upthread you might be drunk, as opposed to simply presenting as a rancid old racist.
Is it now racist to point out that someone is from New Zealand? Or that they reside in the USA?
You appear or have some kind of blood and soil notion of nationality.
And let’s not even go into the repeated Islamophobic ranting which even a succession of identity changes cannot obscure.
Please give us more of your marvellous opinions about a country to which you do not belong, where do you not live, and to which you have no loyalty, and to which you have no intention of returning
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
And we have 2.5 years more of this, because if they are heading for defeat there's no reason to go early.
If the situation is boredom (and there's a big chunk of that) then that's bad for the country, but the release of built-up anger could be spectacular when the dam breaks.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
The correction of a commenter’s grammar, particularly in this fastidious way, is the mark of a person bereft of an argument, yet with one of those weird pulsing veins in their temple, born of anger
Two thoughts - he must have known the day after the first party this would come back to bite him in the behind sooner or later. Both he and Starmer (to an extent) seem unwilling to comprehend whatever they think they will get away with they can't and won't. Johnson may try to twist the argument a little and I do accept he doesn't so much work at home as live in the office but that's not the point.
The second is maybe people are just tired and bored of him and nothing he does or says makes any difference any more. Compared with some Prime Ministers, Johnson is always in sight, always there - during Covid he was on our tv screens almost every night. We've often said on here leaders have a shelf life - that's because we see them so much we grow tired of them and want someone else. In Johnson's case, expedience has brought that forward.
He's "done" Brexit, there's no real appetite for his re-hashed half-baked Thatcherism and his comedic schtick, which would be ideal for optimistic times, just doesn't fit with the current zeitgeist.
You putting it down to the public already thinking the grass is greener on the other side? 🤔
What I think this is, errors that were avoidable if avoided would have avoided removal. Boris was in a pretty strong position but threw it away himself, quite simply by taking the piss. You can’t take the piss out of voters to that degree and come back from it. Grass greener on the other side? As counterfactual Tony Blair says no to Bush, has nothing to do with the diabolical occupation of Iraq turned into - he could have remained popular enough to fight and win a fourth election 2009 - so I think same with Boris, without this mistake he could have remained popular enough to win the next election.
The French election is very low key Stodge, isn’t this set of elections nearly as important as the presidential power, or is the check and counterbalance here a bit underestimated?
I'm not sure that's what I'm suggesting at all.
Had 9/11 not happened and there been no invasion of Iraq, yes, I agree 2005 would likely have been a third Labour landslide but Blair was always going to retire in 2007. Had he done so with his reputation largely undiminished, he's remain a significant political figure to this day.
Whether in that instance Brown could have eked out a win over Cameron I'm uncertain as the global financial crash was still likely (might have been delayed slightly).
Even if the Left-Green alliance (NUPES) outpolls Macron's party tomorrow the second round should see Ensemble come home with something close to a majority a the centre and centre-right voters shy away from a Melenchon Government. It's strange no one here is talking about the collapse of the French centre-right.
Is there collapse of the French centre-right? Macron is centre right and you have him close to majority with the “vintage” centre right picking up something too.
And if you are not suggesting what I suggestively suggested maybe you should suggest it - for I am right. If Boris is ousted, it would never have happened he hadn’t shredded his own popularity as it was!
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
Verbal relates to the use of words both written and oral.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
The correction of a commenter’s grammar, particularly in this fastidious way, is the mark of a person bereft of an argument, yet with one of those weird pulsing veins in their temple, born of anger
Relax, my friend! You will have an aneurysm
Current alcohol use and intensity are significantly associated with intracranial aneurysm rupture.
I learned recently that ‘nonce’ is an acronym. It comes from Wakefield Prison. For their own safety, child sex offenders aren’t allowed mix with the general prison population, so their cells were marked ‘Not on normal courtyard exercise’.
Every day’s a school day.
Ah interesting. Nonce is used in cryptography as the name for a random string that is used as a one-off so that both ends of the communication can see that they encrypt the nonce to the same value, using the encryption keys, which they don't have to exchange. Always a bit weird to put "nonce" into an http authentication header when you know the secondary British meaning for the word.
I'm always a bit dubious of these acronym etymologies -- so often they turn out to have been made up after the fact. In this case the OED suggests "Origin unknown. Perhaps related to nance n. (see quot. 1984), or perhaps compare English regional nonse good-for-nothing fellow, recorded in Eng. Dial. Dict. Suppl. from Lincolnshire." The fact that the first cite spells it with two 's'es also seems to argue against the acronym theory: "1971 S. Houghton Current Prison Slang (MS notebk.) (O.E.D. Archive) 8 Nonse, sexual offender against children, pariahs in prison."
The crypto usage is I think from the much older sense "for the time being, temporarily" which dates back to Middle and Old English.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
Verbal relates to the use of words both written and oral.
OED: Expressed or conveyed by speech instead of writing; stated or delivered by word of mouth; oral.
Betting question - is there a market for the the number of votes against Johnson, if Grady gets the letters?
My guess is that there will be double the number letters as votes against, as a floor. That is, if Grady gets 54 letters, it will be 110 votes against. Minimum.
At least that. What HY and Dorries don't seem to get is that the momentum is building visibly day by day now. This wasn't "they need to act, they keep making excuses why they won't". This is people submitting letters and speaking in openly very critical terms each and every day.
And that was before Parliament broke up for the Lets Boo Boris festival. Tory MPs - even lickspittle worms like Duguid - have gone home. And if he turns up to see his people in Fraserburgh today they aren't going to be saying "good old Boris". When fruitcakes and loonies like Desmond Swayne or Peter Bone go and meet people, they are going to have to be profoundly selective to only hear the "good old Boris" messages they insist are all people are saying.
What they miss is that the more we are assured that everyone in Wellingborough is cheering the boss on, the more we know they are not. Its like their response to the cost of living crisis - deny, patronise, sneer - you can only tell people black is white for so long before they realise it isn't, and then start thinking you are delusional in still saying it is. That is the choice for Tory MPs.
What you don't get is the momentum for change is driven by non Tories like you when only Tories get to decide who the PM is until the next general election. So any opinions of non Tories are irrelevant and the polling is clear most Tory voters and members want Johnson to stay.
Fortunately you are about to find 54+ conservative mps are about to bring your hero crashing down to earth and they have the conservative party's reputation and future in their hands
Each and every one of them are the real conservatives who will ultimately see your hero out of office
They have my full support and are the path to me re-joining the party and campaigning to win the next GE
You can always join RUK or whoever they are as you do seem suited to one another
I have campaigned for Major, Hague, IDS, Howard, Cameron, May and Boris in my time, I support whoever the Tory leader is. I have never voted Labour at a general election unlike you either.
However there is no guarantee removing Johnson gets a centrist PM, MPs might put Hunt or Sunak and Patel as the final 2 to members with members voting for Patel, so we get PM Priti and a vote on restoration of the death penalty and an ultra hard asylum policy. Who knows?
You voted Plaid
Not at a general election and only because there were no Tory candidates left to vote for on that town council ballot paper.
You voted Labour at the 1997 and 2001 general elections
Being a loyal little foot soldier is not something particularly praiseworthy
If BoZo gets booed at the Queen's Jubilee, imagine the reception he would get at her funeral.
Tory MPs must do the right thing now...
While I agree his mps must act, hopefully on monday, I do not agree he would be booed at HMQ funeral as it would be a very sombre occasion and would not be well received by the public
There are times in life when something trumps politics, this would be one of them
For once I agree, even I wouldn't boo Johnson at HM's funeral. Incidentally, I do worry that HM may not have long to go. Think she may have spent all her last energies on being around for the Jubilee.
I am quite concerned just how ill she is, and certainly as we age mobility becomes a problem (as I can vouch for) but she is 96 and is looking increasingly frail and I am 100% certain she would not have wanted to miss the amount of celebrations she has if she was not suffering debilitating health issues
There's usually a couple of years lag between having to go into a home, and final curtain though
Sadly, there usually isn't actually; its usually a couple of months (median average)- and Her Majesty wouldn't go into a home, people do when they can't get the support they need at home anymore and she'd get all the support you'd find in a home brought into her home instead.
12-15 months, although shortening with the move from residential care to nursing care
This comment is the sort of bigoted nonsense I was referring to the other day but which legions of posters jumped in to tell me didn’t exist.
Ah, the New Zealander living in New York has arrived to give us his considered opinion on Britain. Again,
You keep repeating that but it only serves to remind us of your rather restrictive definition of Britishness.
It appears from upthread you might be drunk, as opposed to simply presenting as a rancid old racist.
Is it now racist to point out that someone is from New Zealand? Or that they reside in the USA?
You appear or have some kind of blood and soil notion of nationality.
And let’s not even go into the repeated Islamophobic ranting which even a succession of identity changes cannot obscure.
Please give us more of your marvellous opinions about a country to which you do not belong, where do you not live, and to which you have no loyalty, and to which you have no intention of returning
See this is the thing.
“To which you have no loyalty”.
I mean, what kind of fucktastic, antediluvian, chauvinistic claptrap is that?
Sadly it’s what characterises the Brexit experience for many.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
The correction of a commenter’s grammar, particularly in this fastidious way, is the mark of a person bereft of an argument, yet with one of those weird pulsing veins in their temple, born of anger
Relax, my friend! You will have an aneurysm
Current alcohol use and intensity are significantly associated with intracranial aneurysm rupture.
Chillax, old boy. Have a glass with me, here in Radio Cafe, Leonidze Park, downtown Tbilisi. They have jazz piano later
There was a bizarre interview in the Times a few weeks ago (which I cannot now find) with a famous author with a moneyed background. He was explaining he has moved to Jersey "because my wife and I thought Brexit might make Britain unliveable". He then went on to explain that the zero tax rate on his book royalties in Jersey meant he could give more money to his charities, and wasn't that nice?
At no point did he seem to grasp that Jersey had never been in the EU, or that its future relations with the EU would be governed by the Brexit agreements. Or that the public might not care for his tax dodging. All in all I thought it was rather mean of the interviewer to let him be so unselfaware in public like that. The usually anti-brexit below-the-line commenters were not kind.
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
The Times?? LOL! I'm guessing it wasn't peer-reviewed?
Oooh, scientific method, I don't like the result so I'll say it's not peer reviewed
I got a multi decade longitudinal study n=1 peer reviewed by me supporting these findings
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
Verbal relates to the use of words both written and oral.
OED: Expressed or conveyed by speech instead of writing; stated or delivered by word of mouth; oral.
Indeed, mine says that too. However it is the second meaning, the first being "of or concerned with words". The meaning that Leon was using. As an example, verbal reasoning tests are usually written.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
Verbal relates to the use of words both written and oral.
OED: Expressed or conveyed by speech instead of writing; stated or delivered by word of mouth; oral.
Indeed, mine says that too. However it is the second meaning, the first being "of or concerned with words". The meaning that Leon was using. As an example, verbal reasoning tests are usually written.
Because the actual reasoning goes on in your head.
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
Is it not the case, Libdem, snp, green, others in the polling these days, the fact it’s not so 2 party in polling and voting these days the first passed post system disguises, that the modern equivalent these days, of just sneaking into double digits, is just as potent as something bigger in the past?
Sorry to be boring, but comparing polls these days with what was acceptable in the 80’s might be a bit of a naff basis for your argument?
The problem for the Union is the current coalition still enjoys around 50% support. Merz's hope must be for the Greens to look like the leading party at the next election which might mean Lindner switches to the Union. The problem is FDP support is falling and the Green-SPD option leads the CDU-CSU-FDP option (43-36 with Kantar).
The Greens have had a "good" war compared to Scholz and the SPD and it may well be the Greens will be the leading party in the next German Government.
The problem, I think for the SPD, is that they have found a policy - Ukraine - where the devotees of East Politics would rather destroy themselves, their party… just about anything, rather than go the opposite way.
They believe, to the core of their souls, that rapprochement with Russia is The Only Moral Policy.
It reminds me of another political debate - the name of that eludes me, though.
Emmanuel Macron, the French president, said it is vital that Russia is not humiliated so that when the fighting stops in Ukraine a diplomatic solution can be found.
Telegraph live blog
It doesn't make any sense though. Even after all this fighting at some point the diplomats will get involved, but anything that forces them to halt their invasion will be seen as humiliating to Russia. It isn't possible to not humiliate them in such a way, for anything other than achieving total victory.
Plus, let's be real, even diplomatic solutions are not really merely diplomatic solutions. Say the solution is official autonomy for Donbas but Russia (officially) pulls back - unlikely, but for sake of argument - that would have been achieved by war.
So not humiliating Russia cannot be the goal, since sitting down with Ukraine would be humilating (Ukriane is not a real country after all). So I assume he is using code to mean 'Russia will need to get something out of this', which would be a more honest and direct point.
God knows what the french are thinking. I assume this isn't just Macron, but the french foreign policy establishment's view. Maybe some kind of whacky ideal about France being some kind of balance between Russia and USA?
They view Russia as part of a European power bloc to rival the US and China
Emmanuel Macron, the French president, said it is vital that Russia is not humiliated so that when the fighting stops in Ukraine a diplomatic solution can be found.
Telegraph live blog
It doesn't make any sense though. Even after all this fighting at some point the diplomats will get involved, but anything that forces them to halt their invasion will be seen as humiliating to Russia. It isn't possible to not humiliate them in such a way, for anything other than achieving total victory.
Plus, let's be real, even diplomatic solutions are not really merely diplomatic solutions. Say the solution is official autonomy for Donbas but Russia (officially) pulls back - unlikely, but for sake of argument - that would have been achieved by war.
So not humiliating Russia cannot be the goal, since sitting down with Ukraine would be humilating (Ukriane is not a real country after all). So I assume he is using code to mean 'Russia will need to get something out of this', which would be a more honest and direct point.
God knows what the french are thinking. I assume this isn't just Macron, but the french foreign policy establishment's view. Maybe some kind of whacky ideal about France being some kind of balance between Russia and USA?
They view Russia as part of a European power bloc to rival the US and China
Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals. As some chap said….
EDIT - some will be asking about Ukraine joining Europe. Already they see much of Eastern Europe as not willing to follow the Franco-German lead. Ukraine, if it comes out of this war vaguely intact, has the resources and potential to outstrip France. Eventually.
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
A brilliant artist, but I can't help but think his energy would be better directed at crafting a vast sculpture to the Ukrainian spirit....
I agree, but that might not go down too well with the current government of his new nationality. I'm afraid that many British intellectuals have an exaggerated view of the deficiencies of Britain and far too rosy a view of other Western European countries. Afd (well to the right of UKIP) is polling above maximum UKIP support and the current German chancellor has behaved abominably with respect to Ukraine.
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
His ratings indicate plenty of Leavers have had it with him too.
Brainwashed by the Remainer media and institutions?
Clearly. The Matrix is powerful. Only the strongest can resist.
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
Big mistake wooly, though I don't count what I drink nowadays heavy. Bit more than the laughable 21 units mind you.
A brilliant artist, but I can't help but think his energy would be better directed at crafting a vast sculpture to the Ukrainian spirit....
I agree, but that might not go down too well with the current government of his new nationality. I'm afraid that many British intellectuals have an exaggerated view of the deficiencies of Britain and far too rosy a view of other Western European countries. Afd (well to the right of UKIP) is polling above maximum UKIP support and the current German chancellor has behaved abominably with respect to Ukraine.
Negative Nationalism has been the default position for “intellectuals” since the Napoleonic Wars.
It’s not that much cheaper in Newcastle these days
Re cost of a pint (14p in a London pub in 1971/2 when I started) it seems to me that the thing which has grown enormously is the gap between the cost of drinking the stuff at home - which is trivial TBH - and at a pub, which is not trivial at all.
Minimum wage, fewer customers per pub.
In the Goode Olde Days, the price of beer for drinking at home was massively inflated.
When supermarkets started on their cost cutting (which has been going on for decades), cutting the price of beer for home consumption was a massive “leader” for them.
At the same time, the cost of beer in pubs has gone up, a lot, due to wages, the endless efforts of the big companies to drain more money from the industry, rents etc
Sunak finally took my advice to cut alcohol duty for draught beer, to try to narrow this gap, but only made a tentative start that doesn't come into effect until 2023. Hopefully the next Chancellor will take this further.
Emmanuel Macron, the French president, said it is vital that Russia is not humiliated so that when the fighting stops in Ukraine a diplomatic solution can be found.
Telegraph live blog
It doesn't make any sense though. Even after all this fighting at some point the diplomats will get involved, but anything that forces them to halt their invasion will be seen as humiliating to Russia. It isn't possible to not humiliate them in such a way, for anything other than achieving total victory.
Plus, let's be real, even diplomatic solutions are not really merely diplomatic solutions. Say the solution is official autonomy for Donbas but Russia (officially) pulls back - unlikely, but for sake of argument - that would have been achieved by war.
So not humiliating Russia cannot be the goal, since sitting down with Ukraine would be humilating (Ukriane is not a real country after all). So I assume he is using code to mean 'Russia will need to get something out of this', which would be a more honest and direct point.
God knows what the french are thinking. I assume this isn't just Macron, but the french foreign policy establishment's view. Maybe some kind of whacky ideal about France being some kind of balance between Russia and USA?
They view Russia as part of a European power bloc to rival the US and China
Under its current leadership?
This seems flawed because a united Europe doesn't really need Russia to be a global power and by offering all these olive branches you risk antagonising much of central and eastern Europe.
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
I don't think that is true. Johnson is seen now less as an evil enemy - which is how many opponents saw Thatcher, Major and Blair - and more as a figure of utter derision and scorn. And that is an impression that has spread beyond those who just naturally oppose him and on to many who would normally support a Conservative government. Yes it may be wishful thinking on my part but I simply see no way back when he has become so derided.
Nah
Look at the people who are most performatively angered by his partying and most hysterically eager to see him go. They are nearly all Remoaners
And maybe they should have their slaughtered lamb. Maybe they will cease being so fruitlessly angry once he has gone
They should at least get a Jimmy Savile impersonator to announce this.
I learned recently that ‘nonce’ is an acronym. It comes from Wakefield Prison. For their own safety, child sex offenders aren’t allowed mix with the general prison population, so their cells were marked ‘Not on normal courtyard exercise’.
Every day’s a school day.
Ah interesting. Nonce is used in cryptography as the name for a random string that is used as a one-off so that both ends of the communication can see that they encrypt the nonce to the same value, using the encryption keys, which they don't have to exchange. Always a bit weird to put "nonce" into an http authentication header when you know the secondary British meaning for the word.
A friend of mine designed one of the first Bitcoin mining chips. For some bizarre reason, it was called The Golden Nonce.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
Verbal relates to the use of words both written and oral.
OED: Expressed or conveyed by speech instead of writing; stated or delivered by word of mouth; oral.
Indeed, mine says that too. However it is the second meaning, the first being "of or concerned with words". The meaning that Leon was using. As an example, verbal reasoning tests are usually written.
Because the actual reasoning goes on in your head.
Now look at your OED and tell me that "verbal" doesn't also have the meaning I gave above. Only it will be more wordy as I've only got a Concise Oxford.
The continuing rise of the Greens since entering government is a wonder to behold.
They've done well in the polls since the election, but worth noting that they were in first place in quite a few polls in April/May 2021. It does remain to be seen whether that's a bit of a centre-left protest that will melt away and return to the SPD moving towards an election, as it did last year.
Is there collapse of the French centre-right? Macron is centre right and you have him close to majority with the “vintage” centre right picking up something too.
And if you are not suggesting what I suggestively suggested maybe you should suggest it - for I am right. If Boris is ousted, it would never have happened he hadn’t shredded his own popularity as it was!
The traditional Gaullist centre-right, the party of Chirac and Sarkozy, is in retreat while the more avowedly centrist Macron is still a serious force. Whether Ensemble will outlive Macron remains to be seen - I suspect he has a successor in mind, perhaps Guerini.
Macron was able to capture people like Edouard Philippe who had backed Juppe and bring them into En Marche.
French politics has been transformed by Macron - both the old centre-right and centre-left parties have been swept away and you now have a Left-Green Alliance, a centrist bloc and a right wing party.
In British terms, it would be the LDs and Farage tearing the Conservatives apart while Labour was subsumed into a more radical Left-Green movement leaving a new three-party system.
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
I don't think that is true. Johnson is seen now less as an evil enemy - which is how many opponents saw Thatcher, Major and Blair - and more as a figure of utter derision and scorn. And that is an impression that has spread beyond those who just naturally oppose him and on to many who would normally support a Conservative government. Yes it may be wishful thinking on my part but I simply see no way back when he has become so derided.
Nah
Look at the people who are most performatively angered by his partying and most hysterically eager to see him go. They are nearly all Remoaners
And maybe they should have their slaughtered lamb. Maybe they will cease being so fruitlessly angry once he has gone
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
I don't think that is true. Johnson is seen now less as an evil enemy - which is how many opponents saw Thatcher, Major and Blair - and more as a figure of utter derision and scorn. And that is an impression that has spread beyond those who just naturally oppose him and on to many who would normally support a Conservative government. Yes it may be wishful thinking on my part but I simply see no way back when he has become so derided.
Nah
Look at the people who are most performatively angered by his partying and most hysterically eager to see him go. They are nearly all Remoaners
And maybe they should have their slaughtered lamb. Maybe they will cease being so fruitlessly angry once he has gone
With the greatest respect. You haven't been in the country much lately. Something fundamental has changed relatively recently. Maybe even in the last week. It isn't anger at all It is open scorn and ridicule. No longer just for him. But for his enablers and apologists too. And not just from the usual suspects. It is coming from the most unexpected of places. Crowds of Royalists, The Isle of Wight. That is new.
Johnson has told colleagues that a confidence vote would be pointless, especially without an obvious successor. “There’s no alternative strategy, no alternative plan, no big ideological divide,” an ally said https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1533107438769127425/photo/1
He hasn't grasped the point, which is simply to get rid of him...
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
I don't think that is true. Johnson is seen now less as an evil enemy - which is how many opponents saw Thatcher, Major and Blair - and more as a figure of utter derision and scorn. And that is an impression that has spread beyond those who just naturally oppose him and on to many who would normally support a Conservative government. Yes it may be wishful thinking on my part but I simply see no way back when he has become so derided.
Nah
Look at the people who are most performatively angered by his partying and most hysterically eager to see him go. They are nearly all Remoaners
And maybe they should have their slaughtered lamb. Maybe they will cease being so fruitlessly angry once he has gone
Boris nor his government spend much time out there selling its successes do they? Surely dining out on getting Brexit done and the success of it being delivered now should be making him unassailable in his own party right now, and sailing toward his second general election win?
If someone states Horis the Boss Hogg is dumped this week because he has messed up implementation of Brexit, how is that wholly wrong?
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
Verbal relates to the use of words both written and oral.
No it doesn't. Verbal specifically relates to spoken, oral communication.
Your confusion may stem from the fact that non-verbal communication does not include writing but this is an oddity of the English language as non-verbal means neither spoken or written whereas verbal specifically means spoken.
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
Johnson has told colleagues that a confidence vote would be pointless, especially without an obvious successor. “There’s no alternative strategy, no alternative plan, no big ideological divide,” an ally said https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1533107438769127425/photo/1
He hasn't grasped the point, which is simply to get rid of him...
Spot on. it’s the fact replacing the unpopular guy that messed up now dragging Party down, without making a huge idealogical change or much fuss that makes it all more likely to happen! Boris actually needs to find an idealogical divide, alternate clear water this week, To run against. I thought that was supposed to be Boris Lord Protector of Brexit versus the old enemy who want to start watering it down already? If he makes it like that it’s only only way he survives.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
As we saw in Australia, it may not be the main opposition which kills the Conservatives next time but the leeching of votes to minor parties (LDs, Greens, Independents).
There's also the truth many people will vote against the Conservatives next time and it will be a question of where and how that anti-Conservative vote is maximised.
Yes, I can easily see that happening. And dumping Boris may not be enough to stop this. I sense the British public are just BORED of the Tory party (leaving aside Partygate and Boris and Brexit)
I know I am bored of them
It’s bored with, not of.
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
As I have constantly told you, I am but a humble knapper of erotic flints. You should therefore not be surprised if I do not show the verbal flair of, say, a writer of international bestsellers
The mystery is why you do not even show the written (“verbal” is another mistake) flair of a writer of trashy bus station fiction?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
Verbal relates to the use of words both written and oral.
No it doesn't. Verbal specifically relates to spoken, oral communication.
Your confusion may stem from the fact that non-verbal communication does not include writing but this is an oddity of the English language as non-verbal means neither spoken or written whereas verbal specifically means spoken.
It really doesn't. I mean it does in vernacular speech as in that copper fucking verballed me innit, but verbum is word, not spoken word
One of Johnson's many flaws is that he has surrounded himself with pygmies so as to avoid threats to his position. The worry has to be that one of them (Patel!) could replace him. Mordaunt has gone very quiet but she could impress in a leadership contest.
I can't see Patel getting into the top two in the Parliamentary party first round. Mordaunt is a lot more likely
I'm on Mordaunt at good odds. Can easily see her emerging as the choice.
Do all candidates have to appear like this or just the female ones
The continuing rise of the Greens since entering government is a wonder to behold.
They've done well in the polls since the election, but worth noting that they were in first place in quite a few polls in April/May 2021. It does remain to be seen whether that's a bit of a centre-left protest that will melt away and return to the SPD moving towards an election, as it did last year.
Boris actually needs to find an idealogical divide, alternate clear water this week, To run against. I thought that was supposed to be Boris Lord Protector of Brexit versus the old enemy who want to start watering it down already? If he makes it like that it’s only only way he survives.
Ress Mogg already pitched that argument.
Slight flaw in the plan; Brexit is a shitshow and they know it...
Is there collapse of the French centre-right? Macron is centre right and you have him close to majority with the “vintage” centre right picking up something too.
And if you are not suggesting what I suggestively suggested maybe you should suggest it - for I am right. If Boris is ousted, it would never have happened he hadn’t shredded his own popularity as it was!
The traditional Gaullist centre-right, the party of Chirac and Sarkozy, is in retreat while the more avowedly centrist Macron is still a serious force. Whether Ensemble will outlive Macron remains to be seen - I suspect he has a successor in mind, perhaps Guerini.
Macron was able to capture people like Edouard Philippe who had backed Juppe and bring them into En Marche.
French politics has been transformed by Macron - both the old centre-right and centre-left parties have been swept away and you now have a Left-Green Alliance, a centrist bloc and a right wing party.
In British terms, it would be the LDs and Farage tearing the Conservatives apart while Labour was subsumed into a more radical Left-Green movement leaving a new three-party system.
Sounds bonkers. Let’s hope there’s not a wind blowing from that direction. 😒
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
One of Johnson's many flaws is that he has surrounded himself with pygmies so as to avoid threats to his position. The worry has to be that one of them (Patel!) could replace him. Mordaunt has gone very quiet but she could impress in a leadership contest.
I can't see Patel getting into the top two in the Parliamentary party first round. Mordaunt is a lot more likely
I'm on Mordaunt at good odds. Can easily see her emerging as the choice.
Do all candidates have to appear like this or just the female ones
If, like me, you like weird cartoons, you may want to visit Gary Larson's site, regularly: https://www.thefarside.com/
(He updates it every day, with recycled cartoons, and sometimes mentions that he has a batch of new ones for us to look at. I think they help me be a little less argumentative than I owuld be otherwise.)
It’s not that much cheaper in Newcastle these days
Re cost of a pint (14p in a London pub in 1971/2 when I started) it seems to me that the thing which has grown enormously is the gap between the cost of drinking the stuff at home - which is trivial TBH - and at a pub, which is not trivial at all.
Minimum wage, fewer customers per pub.
In the Goode Olde Days, the price of beer for drinking at home was massively inflated.
When supermarkets started on their cost cutting (which has been going on for decades), cutting the price of beer for home consumption was a massive “leader” for them.
At the same time, the cost of beer in pubs has gone up, a lot, due to wages, the endless efforts of the big companies to drain more money from the industry, rents etc
Sunak finally took my advice to cut alcohol duty for draught beer, to try to narrow this gap, but only made a tentative start that doesn't come into effect until 2023. Hopefully the next Chancellor will take this further.
Unless he somehow restores the cartels of brewers that made up RipOff Britain and kept the prices of beer outside the pubs high, there is little that can be done to narrow the gap.
Unless he decides to commit political suicide with a 500% tax on beer for home consumption.
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
One of Johnson's many flaws is that he has surrounded himself with pygmies so as to avoid threats to his position. The worry has to be that one of them (Patel!) could replace him. Mordaunt has gone very quiet but she could impress in a leadership contest.
I can't see Patel getting into the top two in the Parliamentary party first round. Mordaunt is a lot more likely
I'm on Mordaunt at good odds. Can easily see her emerging as the choice.
Do all candidates have to appear like this or just the female ones
On the Gormley nationality discussion, has it been noted that it is possible to have both German and UK dual nationality. I'm not sure that the story has excluded this possibility. If this is the case he is doing what multitudes of people have done and are doing - having the best of all worlds (while slagging UK and Brexit in this case).
NB Not often (ever) I get 2nd and 4th e/w in the Derby, at 150s and 80s. Did this time.
(For some months I have been summarizing my objections to Trump like this: Following Trump can be bad for your wealth, your health, or even, in some cases, your freedom. I don't know that I have convinced many Trumpistas, but I plan to kep trying.)
They should at least get a Jimmy Savile impersonator to announce this.
I learned recently that ‘nonce’ is an acronym. It comes from Wakefield Prison. For their own safety, child sex offenders aren’t allowed mix with the general prison population, so their cells were marked ‘Not on normal courtyard exercise’.
Every day’s a school day.
Ah interesting. Nonce is used in cryptography as the name for a random string that is used as a one-off so that both ends of the communication can see that they encrypt the nonce to the same value, using the encryption keys, which they don't have to exchange. Always a bit weird to put "nonce" into an http authentication header when you know the secondary British meaning for the word.
A friend of mine designed one of the first Bitcoin mining chips. For some bizarre reason, it was called The Golden Nonce.
Is it pronounced 'N - once' though? That would fit with single time only use.
One of Johnson's many flaws is that he has surrounded himself with pygmies so as to avoid threats to his position. The worry has to be that one of them (Patel!) could replace him. Mordaunt has gone very quiet but she could impress in a leadership contest.
I can't see Patel getting into the top two in the Parliamentary party first round. Mordaunt is a lot more likely
I'm on Mordaunt at good odds. Can easily see her emerging as the choice.
Do all candidates have to appear like this or just the female ones
One of Johnson's many flaws is that he has surrounded himself with pygmies so as to avoid threats to his position. The worry has to be that one of them (Patel!) could replace him. Mordaunt has gone very quiet but she could impress in a leadership contest.
I can't see Patel getting into the top two in the Parliamentary party first round. Mordaunt is a lot more likely
I'm on Mordaunt at good odds. Can easily see her emerging as the choice.
Do all candidates have to appear like this or just the female ones
They should at least get a Jimmy Savile impersonator to announce this.
I learned recently that ‘nonce’ is an acronym. It comes from Wakefield Prison. For their own safety, child sex offenders aren’t allowed mix with the general prison population, so their cells were marked ‘Not on normal courtyard exercise’.
Every day’s a school day.
Ah interesting. Nonce is used in cryptography as the name for a random string that is used as a one-off so that both ends of the communication can see that they encrypt the nonce to the same value, using the encryption keys, which they don't have to exchange. Always a bit weird to put "nonce" into an http authentication header when you know the secondary British meaning for the word.
A friend of mine designed one of the first Bitcoin mining chips. For some bizarre reason, it was called The Golden Nonce.
Is it pronounced 'N - once' though? That would fit with single time only use.
It is indeed short for number once but it is pronounced without any spacing, so just like the normal word.
Mourdant would clearly be an improvement on Johnson but she was a Cameronite under Cameron, a Mayite under May and now a Loserite under Johnson
What does she believe? Why is she different to the last thirteen years of Tory failure?
She also not only participated in that risible ‘Leadsom for Leader’ march on Westminster - which turned out to be illegal as they never got police permission - but she was the bright spark whose idea it was in the first place!
Mourdant would clearly be an improvement on Johnson but she was a Cameronite under Cameron, a Mayite under May and now a Loserite under Johnson
What does she believe? Why is she different to the last thirteen years of Tory failure?
And, apparently, homeopathy. That's the second homeopathy believer I've heard of in the ranks of Conservative MPs in as many days. Is there a trend here?
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
Have your thumbs gone weird?
Nothing works any more. I'm a wretch
I hope more of you works than I’ve got left. Two almost useless hands, a dodgy ankle and dreadful balance. Typing with one finger!
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
Have your thumbs gone weird?
Nothing works any more. I'm a wretch
I hope more of you works than I’ve got left. Two almost useless hands, a dodgy ankle and dreadful balance. Typing with one finger!
Open ridicule, booing and laughter for Andrew Griffith on Any Answers. This is on the Isle of Wight, too.
Yes, though pedantically you'll probably find that Any Answers is on after Any Questions, rather than before.
Indeed. The audience is ferociously hostile to the government. To a degree I've never heard before. It's growing, not fading away.
And yet, if that were true, we’d be seeing polling as happened to Major’s government in the mid 90s, with Blair’s Labour 20 points ahead
We’re not seeing that. What we see is a standard mid term poll lead for an opposition facing a tired government
I hate to drop the B-bomb word so liberally, but I suggest a lot of this anger at Boris and the Tories is actually sublimated Remoaner angst and loathing of Leaver Boris, but this time channeled through a new rage at his partying frivolity
I’m not defending him, btw, it IS time for him to eff off
I don't think that is true. Johnson is seen now less as an evil enemy - which is how many opponents saw Thatcher, Major and Blair - and more as a figure of utter derision and scorn. And that is an impression that has spread beyond those who just naturally oppose him and on to many who would normally support a Conservative government. Yes it may be wishful thinking on my part but I simply see no way back when he has become so derided.
Nah
Look at the people who are most performatively angered by his partying and most hysterically eager to see him go. They are nearly all Remoaners
And maybe they should have their slaughtered lamb. Maybe they will cease being so fruitlessly angry once he has gone
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
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I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
Have your thumbs gone weird?
Nothing works any more. I'm a wretch
I hope more of you works than I’ve got left. Two almost useless hands, a dodgy ankle and dreadful balance. Typing with one finger!
Mourdant would clearly be an improvement on Johnson but she was a Cameronite under Cameron, a Mayite under May and now a Loserite under Johnson
What does she believe? Why is she different to the last thirteen years of Tory failure?
She also not only participated in that risible ‘Leadsom for Leader’ march on Westminster - which turned out to be illegal as they never got police permission - but she was the bright spark whose idea it was in the first place!
Fortunately, no law against "annoying" protest marches then.
Mourdant would clearly be an improvement on Johnson but she was a Cameronite under Cameron, a Mayite under May and now a Loserite under Johnson
What does she believe? Why is she different to the last thirteen years of Tory failure?
She also not only participated in that risible ‘Leadsom for Leader’ march on Westminster - which turned out to be illegal as they never got police permission - but she was the bright spark whose idea it was in the first place!
Fortunately, no law against "annoying" protest marches then.
Protests against Tories = bad Protests for Tories = good
“I’m embarrassed about Brexit: it’s a practical disaster, a betrayal of my parents’ and grandparents’ sacrifice to make a Europe that was not going to be divided again. It’s a tragedy,”
.
I have no issue with people changing nationalities if they do not like what their present nation is doing, including over Brexit, but it does seem a bit much to suggest not being part of the EU is a betrayal of parents and grandparents as if everyone had been fighting explicitly for the intent of creating a supranational institution.
Brexit was, in my view, a mistake that I contributed to, but there is a difference between 'divided to the point of war' and 'not all being part of the EU'.
People also cannot seem to make up their minds if it was a betrayal of the older generation (even though the majority of those voted for it) or a betrayal of the younger generation. It could be they think it was both, but mentioning one only seems to suggest this person does not think that.
Absolutely so
He could have said “I don’t like Brexit, I disagree with it, I believe it is an error, but the British people were free to choose as they did. However I will now take up German citizenship, as it my right, so I can retain my European citizenship and my Freedom of Movement”
But he didn’t say that. He’s gone way way further and is, in effect, saying Brexit was a sin or a crime - or both. Morally wrong. Should not have been allowed. Which is absurd. It was a choice to exit a quasi Federal union, as was our right under Article 50 of the fucking EU Constitution which they immorally forced on us, so fuck em. And him. I’m going to push over one off his stupid statues when and if I ever get home
*knocks back more Tsinandali wine in his Georgian park*
God Leon, give your liver a rest.
I hardly drink, and i'm having to take liver tests atm.
You clearly missed the Times article which said people that drink “two bottles of wine a day” are healthier, happier and longer lived than teetotallers and modest drinkers. I took it as a cue to up my consumption by about a quarter of a bottle a day, so as to hit the target
That would explain me being as healthy as a butcher's dog
I've felt like crap since I stopped drinking heavily.
Have your thumbs gone weird?
Nothing works any more. I'm a wretch
I hope more of you works than I’ve got left. Two almost useless hands, a dodgy ankle and dreadful balance. Typing with one finger!
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - but it may be your best windsurfing days are behind you....
One of Johnson's many flaws is that he has surrounded himself with pygmies so as to avoid threats to his position. The worry has to be that one of them (Patel!) could replace him. Mordaunt has gone very quiet but she could impress in a leadership contest.
I can't see Patel getting into the top two in the Parliamentary party first round. Mordaunt is a lot more likely
I'm on Mordaunt at good odds. Can easily see her emerging as the choice.
Do all candidates have to appear like this or just the female ones
Mourdant would clearly be an improvement on Johnson but she was a Cameronite under Cameron, a Mayite under May and now a Loserite under Johnson
What does she believe? Why is she different to the last thirteen years of Tory failure?
She also not only participated in that risible ‘Leadsom for Leader’ march on Westminster - which turned out to be illegal as they never got police permission - but she was the bright spark whose idea it was in the first place!
Fortunately, no law against "annoying" protest marches then.
Mourdant would clearly be an improvement on Johnson but she was a Cameronite under Cameron, a Mayite under May and now a Loserite under Johnson
What does she believe? Why is she different to the last thirteen years of Tory failure?
She also not only participated in that risible ‘Leadsom for Leader’ march on Westminster - which turned out to be illegal as they never got police permission - but she was the bright spark whose idea it was in the first place!
Oh dear, that's pretty slim pickings isn't it? Gonna have to do a bit better than that.
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If I were dictator, I would not charge independent ones corporation tax and find other ways of subsidising them.
It appears from upthread you might be drunk, as opposed to simply presenting as a rancid old racist.
I know I am bored of them
If only you had more experience of using written English, you’d have known that already.
And let’s not even go into the repeated Islamophobic ranting which even a succession of identity changes cannot obscure.
Dancer catches the eye though - she is the same one in his early videos only in different wigs?
I’m guessing the suggestion above that you’re already on the bottle is sadly on the money.
the Oxford English Corpus contains almost twice as many instances of bored of than bored by. It represents a perfectly logical development of the language, and was probably formed on the pattern of expressions such as tired of or weary of.
If the situation is boredom (and there's a big chunk of that) then that's bad for the country, but the release of built-up anger could be spectacular when the dam breaks.
Relax, my friend! You will have an aneurysm
And if you are not suggesting what I suggestively suggested maybe you should suggest it - for I am right. If Boris is ousted, it would never have happened he hadn’t shredded his own popularity as it was!
Oh, you can't be stumped off a no ball. Tricky one for the umpire.
The crypto usage is I think from the much older sense "for the time being, temporarily" which dates back to Middle and Old English.
“To which you have no loyalty”.
I mean, what kind of fucktastic, antediluvian, chauvinistic claptrap is that?
Sadly it’s what characterises the Brexit experience for many.
I recommend the shqeruli khachapuri
https://www.radiocafe.ge/en
At no point did he seem to grasp that Jersey had never been in the EU, or that its future relations with the EU would be governed by the Brexit agreements. Or that the public might not care for his tax dodging. All in all I thought it was rather mean of the interviewer to let him be so unselfaware in public like that. The usually anti-brexit below-the-line commenters were not kind.
I got a multi decade longitudinal study n=1 peer reviewed by me supporting these findings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbuFLUJ89Kw
They believe, to the core of their souls, that rapprochement with Russia is The Only Moral Policy.
It reminds me of another political debate - the name of that eludes me, though.
EDIT - some will be asking about Ukraine joining Europe. Already they see much of Eastern Europe as not willing to follow the Franco-German lead. Ukraine, if it comes out of this war vaguely intact, has the resources and potential to outstrip France. Eventually.
This seems flawed because a united Europe doesn't really need Russia to be a global power and by offering all these olive branches you risk antagonising much of central and eastern Europe.
The ones who should be upset, are those that voted for him and his lies.
They try to cover their embarrassment by pretending not to care.
Macron was able to capture people like Edouard Philippe who had backed Juppe and bring them into En Marche.
French politics has been transformed by Macron - both the old centre-right and centre-left parties have been swept away and you now have a Left-Green Alliance, a centrist bloc and a right wing party.
In British terms, it would be the LDs and Farage tearing the Conservatives apart while Labour was subsumed into a more radical Left-Green movement leaving a new three-party system.
Something fundamental has changed relatively recently. Maybe even in the last week.
It isn't anger at all It is open scorn and ridicule. No longer just for him. But for his enablers and apologists too. And not just from the usual suspects. It is coming from the most unexpected of places. Crowds of Royalists, The Isle of Wight.
That is new.
He hasn't grasped the point, which is simply to get rid of him...
Boris nor his government spend much time out there selling its successes do they? Surely dining out on getting Brexit done and the success of it being delivered now should be making him unassailable in his own party right now, and sailing toward his second general election win?
If someone states Horis the Boss Hogg is dumped this week because he has messed up implementation of Brexit, how is that wholly wrong?
When the victim realises they have been conned, they don't complain, because to do so would be to acknowledge their complicity.
(In this case, people knowingly supported Johnson's elevation, knowing he was awful, because they thought he would be their puppet.)
Your confusion may stem from the fact that non-verbal communication does not include writing but this is an oddity of the English language as non-verbal means neither spoken or written whereas verbal specifically means spoken.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2486207/tory-mp-penny-mordaunt-drops-her-fella/
Slight flaw in the plan; Brexit is a shitshow and they know it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvLcYUXBBuc
(He updates it every day, with recycled cartoons, and sometimes mentions that he has a batch of new ones for us to look at. I think they help me be a little less argumentative than I owuld be otherwise.)
Unless he decides to commit political suicide with a 500% tax on beer for home consumption.
https://twitter.com/sturdyalex/status/1471409989269004294?lang=en
And it’s exactly what the British People want to hear of their place in this world, and she is so persuasive how she explains these things.
Take that HY, if you think the Big Dog as he has made himself today can possibly compete with a PM Mourdant.
NB Not often (ever) I get 2nd and 4th e/w in the Derby, at 150s and 80s. Did this time.
source: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/doj-will-not-indict-two-former-trump-officials/vi-AAY4PdO?bk=1&ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0e9fcd33eeca454fbf4859727b6ba6a3
(For some months I have been summarizing my objections to Trump like this: Following Trump can be bad for your wealth, your health, or even, in some cases, your freedom. I don't know that I have convinced many Trumpistas, but I plan to kep trying.)
Contrasts nicely though with every Labour leader ever in their Speedos....
*shudder*
Reading University.....
What does she believe? Why is she different to the last thirteen years of Tory failure?
That's the second homeopathy believer I've heard of in the ranks of Conservative MPs in as many days. Is there a trend here?
Sorry for the mental image there.
Protests for Tories = good
I seem to have lost my way on the horses but I still have it on the old politics.