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TheScreamingEagles

Have I ever mentioned I really enjoy choosing pictures for threads?

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have I ever mentioned I really enjoy choosing pictures for threads?

Why? Do you like making people throw up?

Speaking of which was this deliberately ambiguous:

his potential dodgy curry ?

TheScreamingEagles

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have I ever mentioned I really enjoy choosing pictures for threads?

Why? Do you like making people throw up?

Speaking of which was this deliberately ambiguous:

his potential dodgy curry ?

Yes, on both questions.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have I ever mentioned I really enjoy choosing pictures for threads?

Why? Do you like making people throw up?

Speaking of which was this deliberately ambiguous:

his potential dodgy curry ?

Yes, on both questions.

Are you trying to turn yourself into PBs enema number 1?

HYUFD

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

MarqueeMark

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

TheScreamingEagles

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

I like Penny as well.

Luckyguy1983

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

Agree. And she's a Minister but not close enough to the top to be tainted. She seems a good egg.

Scott_xP

NEW - Wakefield Labour party executive walks out of final vote to endorse by-election candidate, saying "to stay and vote would have condoned the process used."

Activists are v unhappy that final two candidates do not have Wakefield roots and that others were not shortlisted.
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1525826238270656512

nico679

Starmer is going nowhere unless he gets a FPN from Durham Police .

Why would he face a leadership challenge?

Sandpit

So if he stands down after being fined for his curry, without being challenged formally for the leadership, this market will settle for “No”?

TheScreamingEagles

Sandpit said:

So if he stands down after being fined for his curry, without being challenged formally for the leadership, this market will settle for “No”?

It'll void the market.

Cookie

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

I like Penny as well.

Me too.
Her breadth of approval is surprisingly large. Possibly because she hasn't yet become high enough profile for any negative to he noticed, but still.
Eagles, would you vote for Penny in the final two if Hunt wasn't there?

TheScreamingEagles

Cookie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

I like Penny as well.

Me too.
Her breadth of approval is surprisingly large. Possibly because she hasn't yet become high enough profile for any negative to he noticed, but still.
Eagles, would you vote for Penny in the final two if Hunt wasn't there?

Depends who the other candidate is, struggling to think who I might vote for over her, perhaps Tom Tugendhat.

Carnyx

Luckyguy1983 said:

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

Agree. And she's a Minister but not close enough to the top to be tainted. She seems a good egg.

Sligfhtly unfortunate expression after reading the header, with its photo.

HYUFD

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

They were terrible in inner London, Wales and Remain areas of the Home counties and not great in Scotland.

However in suburban areas of London the Tories gained Harrow from Labour and won new seats in Enfield.

In the Midlands Labour failed to gain a single council from the Tories and in pro Brexit areas of England from Harlow to Walsall to Sandwell the Conservatives actually gained seats.

Though I agree if Boris goes Mordaunt might be quite viable alternative

Carnyx

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have I ever mentioned I really enjoy choosing pictures for threads?

Why? Do you like making people throw up?

Speaking of which was this deliberately ambiguous:

his potential dodgy curry ?

Yes, on both questions.

Are you trying to turn yourself into PBs enema number 1?

No, just discharging his duty.

Sandpit

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sandpit said:

So if he stands down after being fined for his curry, without being challenged formally for the leadership, this market will settle for “No”?

It'll void the market.

Hmmm. So it’s an almost definite No if it’s not void then. There’s not 20% mad Corbynites, and even if the Tories change their leader he’s unlikely to be facing another landslide defeat.

So odds of 1/6 for something that might be void in two years’ time, when inflation will have eroded the stake by 15%. Think I’ll pass.

Big_G_NorthWales

nico679 said:

Starmer is going nowhere unless he gets a FPN from Durham Police .

Why would he face a leadership challenge?

If Durham Police come to the same decision as they did with Cummings then Starmer will not be able to remain in office

ping

Korma Police
Arrest this man

(Nicked from the polling station podcast)

ydoethur

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

Yes he can, if he wants.

He'd be wrong, but that's never stopped him in the past.

Weirdly, the one place they seemed to go OK was Staffordshire, which I think is increasing gentrification from Birmingham and Manchester as people move further out in search of greenery.

londonpubman

Are Man City going to blow it??

nico679

Big_G_NorthWales said:

nico679 said:

Starmer is going nowhere unless he gets a FPN from Durham Police .

Why would he face a leadership challenge?

If Durham Police come to the same decision as they did with Cummings then Starmer will not be able to remain in office

I don’t think they can do this as the situation is somewhat different . If he’s committed a breach it would have to be a FPN .

TheScreamingEagles

londonpubman said:

Are Man City going to blow it??

David Moyes and Steven Gerrard to hand Liverpool the title?

Carnyx

Carnyx said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have I ever mentioned I really enjoy choosing pictures for threads?

Why? Do you like making people throw up?

Speaking of which was this deliberately ambiguous:

his potential dodgy curry ?

Yes, on both questions.

Are you trying to turn yourself into PBs enema number 1?

No, just discharging his duty.

PS I did like TSE's 'void' pun.

TheScreamingEagles

ping said:

Korma Police
Arrest this man

(Nicked from the polling station podcast)

Ah yes, that is one of two decent Radiohead songs.

ydoethur

Carnyx said:

Carnyx said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Have I ever mentioned I really enjoy choosing pictures for threads?

Why? Do you like making people throw up?

Speaking of which was this deliberately ambiguous:

his potential dodgy curry ?

Yes, on both questions.

Are you trying to turn yourself into PBs enema number 1?

No, just discharging his duty.

PS I did like TSE's 'void' pun.

I didn't. It came over as a dire 'ere.

Big_G_NorthWales

nico679 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

nico679 said:

Starmer is going nowhere unless he gets a FPN from Durham Police .

Why would he face a leadership challenge?

If Durham Police come to the same decision as they did with Cummings then Starmer will not be able to remain in office

I don’t think they can do this as the situation is somewhat different . If he’s committed a breach it would have to be a FPN .

You would have thought so but Durham Police have form on this

TOPPING

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Big_G_NorthWales

Hammers giving City a run around at present

Cookie

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

TimS

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cookie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

I like Penny as well.

Me too.
Her breadth of approval is surprisingly large. Possibly because she hasn't yet become high enough profile for any negative to he noticed, but still.
Eagles, would you vote for Penny in the final two if Hunt wasn't there?

Depends who the other candidate is, struggling to think who I might vote for over her, perhaps Tom Tugendhat.

None of the prospective Tory leaders represents a significant policy shift from the current regime though. With inflation taking hold and Covid fading from the front pages I struggle to see how a change of personality is enough.

A new leader needs to grab hold of the economy and Brexit. Sunak would represent more of the same on both albeit with a slightly less pugnacious attitude to the EU, Truss more of the same too, Mordaunt less spiky but essentially the same politics as Boris, and Hunt and Tugendhat whilst more likely to repair relations with the EU are not known for having innovative answers to today’s economic issues.

Not that Labour have a big new policy in these areas either, but for the governing party to reinvent itself mid parliament it really needs to be defined by a significant policy shift.

MattW

Coffee News.

I just ordered my new bean to cup machine. De Longhi had one called a Dinamica (model ECAM 350.50.B !), reduced from £929 to £399. That is a mid-range machine.

The ideal machine for PB - it comes with an automatic frothing system.

They also have the one recommended here - the Eletta (ECAM 44.620.S)- reduced from £800 to £430, if anyone is in the market. 4 only, and 7 of the Dinamica in 2 different models.

The way it seems to work is that 3-4 models each month are reduced by approx 1/3 to 1/2 in price, and the retailers follow suit at about about £20 more expensive.

https://www.delonghi.com/en-gb/products/coffee/automatic-coffee-makers/c/automatic_coffee_makers

Gardenwalker

Penny is untested.

She’s a void upon which PB Tories can cast their fantasies. We don’t know much about her at all.

londonpubman

TimS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cookie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

I like Penny as well.

Me too.
Her breadth of approval is surprisingly large. Possibly because she hasn't yet become high enough profile for any negative to he noticed, but still.
Eagles, would you vote for Penny in the final two if Hunt wasn't there?

Depends who the other candidate is, struggling to think who I might vote for over her, perhaps Tom Tugendhat.

None of the prospective Tory leaders represents a significant policy shift from the current regime though. With inflation taking hold and Covid fading from the front pages I struggle to see how a change of personality is enough.

A new leader needs to grab hold of the economy and Brexit. Sunak would represent more of the same on both albeit with a slightly less pugnacious attitude to the EU, Truss more of the same too, Mordaunt less spiky but essentially the same politics as Boris, and Hunt and Tugendhat whilst more likely to repair relations with the EU are not known for having innovative answers to today’s economic issues.

Not that Labour have a big new policy in these areas either, but for the governing party to reinvent itself mid parliament it really needs to be defined by a significant policy shift.

It's all about inflation now and for the next year or so. The current government have no idea on how to deal with it. If LAB can come up with something coherent then that may well help them. But we need action now not after the next GE

Sandpit

Video of what looks very much like thermite cluster bombs, raining down on Azovstal steelworks in Mariopol this morning.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1525820181255270400

TheScreamingEagles

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Fake news, they just hate the establishment that committed a blood libel on the city.

Gardenwalker

londonpubman said:

TimS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cookie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

HYUFD said:

Under Boris in the local elections the Tory vote held up pretty well in the Midlands and much of the redwall. I doubt any alternative Tory leader would have more appeal in those areas even against Starmer.

Starmer does have more appeal than Boris in London but what alternative Tory leader is winning back London post Brexit or even Home Counties Remain areas of the South which went LD on May 5th?

You cannot deny that the locals were terrible for the Tories.

I have a theory that Penny Mordaunt might be able to pull off the impossible - keeping the Red Wall vote who went for showman Boris, whilst being able to draw back voters who are appalled by "liar" Boris and are toying (or more) with the LibDems.

I like Penny as well.

Me too.
Her breadth of approval is surprisingly large. Possibly because she hasn't yet become high enough profile for any negative to he noticed, but still.
Eagles, would you vote for Penny in the final two if Hunt wasn't there?

Depends who the other candidate is, struggling to think who I might vote for over her, perhaps Tom Tugendhat.

None of the prospective Tory leaders represents a significant policy shift from the current regime though. With inflation taking hold and Covid fading from the front pages I struggle to see how a change of personality is enough.

A new leader needs to grab hold of the economy and Brexit. Sunak would represent more of the same on both albeit with a slightly less pugnacious attitude to the EU, Truss more of the same too, Mordaunt less spiky but essentially the same politics as Boris, and Hunt and Tugendhat whilst more likely to repair relations with the EU are not known for having innovative answers to today’s economic issues.

Not that Labour have a big new policy in these areas either, but for the governing party to reinvent itself mid parliament it really needs to be defined by a significant policy shift.

It's all about inflation now and for the next year or so. The current government have no idea on how to deal with it. If LAB can come up with something coherent then that may well help them. But we need action now not after the next GE

Inflation is tipped (by the BoE, so take with a pinch of salt) to continue into H1 ‘23 and then to taper off somewhat.

Since most of the inflation is a global phenomenon, there’s little the government can do save protecting the least well off, ensuring we are less vulnerable around our energy supplies in the future, committing to removing frictions in our trade with Europe, and probably also a commitment to some competition and micro-economic reform.

I did actually propose a lot of this - on here - about 9 months ago but the usual suspects told me inflation was good, or something.

Big_G_NorthWales

Wow 2

ping

Lol Man City

Cookie

Gardenwalker said:

Penny is untested.

She’s a void upon which PB Tories can cast their fantasies. We don’t know much about her at all.

I don't even know how you pronounce her surname. Is it 'more-dant'? 'Mord-aren't'? 'More-dunt'?

Sandpit

Come on the Hammers!

londonpubman

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wow 2

Yes really bad time for Man City to concede. Liverpool on for 4 after all?

TheScreamingEagles

londonpubman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wow 2

Yes really bad time for Man City to concede. Liverpool on for 4 after all?

No, it is not happening, Liverpool are not going to win all 4.

JonathanBarnes

POLL: Sunday Times/Behaviour & Attitudes
(dates unstated, prob circa May 1-12; MoE 3.3%)

Sinn Féin 36 (+4 in one month)
Fianna Fáil 24 (+1)
Fine Gael 19 (-5)
Labour 5
PBP-Solidarity: 2 (+1)
Social Democrats 2
Greens 2 (-2)
Aontú 1
Inds/others 9 (+2)

Great poll for Sinn Fein in the RoI breaking through the magic 35%.

On these figures they could even perhaps be strong enough to get up to 70 seats and form a minority gvt in 2025.

Also decent for Fianna Fail but terrible for FG and the Greens.

Labour also stable.

Cookie

The other big match of the day is kicking off in 12 minutes at Edgeley Park, where Stockport need a draw against Halifax to return to the football league. 10,000 plus attendance, with tickets sold out long ago. Anything else and the Hollywood boys from Wrexham will be in with a chance of nicking it, though they face a not-straightforward trip to Dagenham.

kle4

londonpubman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Wow 2

Yes really bad time for Man City to concede. Liverpool on for 4 after all?

Goal difference says that's unlikely.

londonpubman

Cookie said:

The other big match of the day is kicking off in 12 minutes at Edgeley Park, where Stockport need a draw against Halifax to return to the football league. 10,000 plus attendance, with tickets sold out long ago. Anything else and the Hollywood boys from Wrexham will be in with a chance of nicking it, though they face a not-straightforward trip to Dagenham.

Yes good luck with that. Good for Stockport to come back. You should be ok though given your mid week result.

Dura_Ace

Gardenwalker said:

Penny is untested.

She’s a void upon which PB Tories can cast their fantasies. We don’t know much about her at all.

She is a has been whose career has been in decline for about three years and shows zero energy or aptitude for the necessary self-promotion.

kle4

Sandpit said:

Video of what looks very much like thermite cluster bombs, raining down on Azovstal steelworks in Mariopol this morning.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1525820181255270400

At this point it seems incredible anthing is still standing, or people still alive. Poor devils, no one can get to them.

NickPalmer

Scott_xP said:

NEW - Wakefield Labour party executive walks out of final vote to endorse by-election candidate, saying "to stay and vote would have condoned the process used."

Activists are v unhappy that final two candidates do not have Wakefield roots and that others were not shortlisted.
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1525826238270656512

Yes, it's been messy - as I understand it, a conference decision to allow CLPs to nomiate 3 short-listees has been circumvented by fine print, enabling the leadership to avoid including a local Corbynite. Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of this, how far will it affect the outcome of the by-election? Not very much, I suspect - most people have strictly limited interest in the proceeding of constituency parties (sadly!), and of those who do, a proportion will be pleased Labour is not choosing a left-winger. Although some activists may not sit the election out, I'd expect most to pile in now they've made their point.

kle4

NickPalmer said:

Scott_xP said:

NEW - Wakefield Labour party executive walks out of final vote to endorse by-election candidate, saying "to stay and vote would have condoned the process used."

Activists are v unhappy that final two candidates do not have Wakefield roots and that others were not shortlisted.
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1525826238270656512

Yes, it's been messy - as I understand it, a conference decision to allow CLPs to nomiate 3 short-listees has been circumvented by fine print, enabling the leadership to avoid including a local Corbynite. Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of this, how far will it affect the outcome of the by-election? Not very much, I suspect - most people have strictly limited interest in the proceeding of constituency parties (sadly!), and of those who do, a proportion will be pleased Labour is not choosing a left-winger. Although some activists may not sit the election out, I'd expect most to pile in now they've made their point.

In which case it sounds like a savvy move by Keir. He avoids a troublesome new MP, annoying those who already disliked him, without affecting the prospects of a win.

OnlyLivingBoy

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Gardenwalker

Dura_Ace said:

Gardenwalker said:

Penny is untested.

She’s a void upon which PB Tories can cast their fantasies. We don’t know much about her at all.

She is a has been whose career has been in decline for about three years and shows zero energy or aptitude for the necessary self-promotion.

I guess the counter to that she’s shown conspicuous lack of interest in the Boris Show.

Cookie

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Ha, fair point. I got momentarily excited by the idea of a third competitive team in the SPL.
But to the people booing 'Abide with me' I don't think making sense is too far up the agenda.

londonpubman

Man City big club

OnlyLivingBoy

Cookie said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Ha, fair point. I got momentarily excited by the idea of a third competitive team in the SPL.
But to the people booing 'Abide with me' I don't think making sense is too far up the agenda.

Yeah I don't really get booing. It's like the England fans who boo other people's national anthems. Maybe they just don't like hymns?

kjh

kle4 said:

Sandpit said:

Video of what looks very much like thermite cluster bombs, raining down on Azovstal steelworks in Mariopol this morning.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1525820181255270400

At this point it seems incredible anthing is still standing, or people still alive. Poor devils, no one can get to them.

I assumed the same, but I saw something on the TV a few weeks ago where it was commented that the place is full of bunkers including multiple nuclear bunkers (something like 30, but I could be making that up) all interconnected with tunnels that the Russians built. Presumably the Russians have the plans, but even so it would seem nigh on impossible to take. I assume siege, as the Russians said they were going to do is the only option, but they seem to have abandoned that idea as soon as they said it.

Carnyx

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Ireland would be more convenient anyway. Liverpool is a pain to get to, esp. by train.

Applicant

londonpubman said:

Cookie said:

The other big match of the day is kicking off in 12 minutes at Edgeley Park, where Stockport need a draw against Halifax to return to the football league. 10,000 plus attendance, with tickets sold out long ago. Anything else and the Hollywood boys from Wrexham will be in with a chance of nicking it, though they face a not-straightforward trip to Dagenham.

Yes good luck with that. Good for Stockport to come back. You should be ok though given your mid week result.

There's a starman
Wearing number 9
His name is Paddy Madden
And he's scoring all the time

Get in!!!

Malmesbury

kle4 said:

Sandpit said:

Video of what looks very much like thermite cluster bombs, raining down on Azovstal steelworks in Mariopol this morning.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1525820181255270400

At this point it seems incredible anthing is still standing, or people still alive. Poor devils, no one can get to them.

Pounded ruins can hold out, and provide shelter for defenders for astonishing periods of time - see WWI and WW2.

Sandpit

kle4 said:

Sandpit said:

Video of what looks very much like thermite cluster bombs, raining down on Azovstal steelworks in Mariopol this morning.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1525820181255270400

At this point it seems incredible anthing is still standing, or people still alive. Poor devils, no one can get to them.

There’s around a thousand Ukranian soldiers there apparently, many of whom are injured.

The steelworks, and a lot of the city beyond it, was designed in Soviet times with a network of tunnels and shelters for a nuclear war. It’s supposed to be pretty much impossible to capture.

londonpubman

Stockport 👍

Malmesbury

Sandpit said:

kle4 said:

Sandpit said:

Video of what looks very much like thermite cluster bombs, raining down on Azovstal steelworks in Mariopol this morning.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1525820181255270400

At this point it seems incredible anthing is still standing, or people still alive. Poor devils, no one can get to them.

There’s around a thousand Ukranian soldiers there apparently, many of whom are injured.

The steelworks, and a lot of the city beyond it, was designed in Soviet times with a network of tunnels and shelters for a nuclear war. It’s supposed to be pretty much impossible to capture.

American doctrine from early Cold War was that to completely destroy a large steel plant would take 2 mk3 nukes.

That’s the bomb dropped on Nagasaki….

Cookie

Cookie said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Ha, fair point. I got momentarily excited by the idea of a third competitive team in the SPL.
But to the people booing 'Abide with me' I don't think making sense is too far up the agenda.

There are a lot of football fans who love their club and hate absolutely everything else. There is a spectrum to all this. Some will be happy just hating one or two other clubs, for others the hatred will extend to absolutely everything not explicitly associated with their club, like the Krikkiters in Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - other clubs, national anthems, hymns, policemen, police horses, shops, trains. It must be exhausting.

Sandpit

Cookie said:

Cookie said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Ha, fair point. I got momentarily excited by the idea of a third competitive team in the SPL.
But to the people booing 'Abide with me' I don't think making sense is too far up the agenda.

There are a lot of football fans who love their club and hate absolutely everything else. There is a spectrum to all this. Some will be happy just hating one or two other clubs, for others the hatred will extend to absolutely everything not explicitly associated with their club, like the Krikkiters in Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - other clubs, national anthems, hymns, policemen, police horses, shops, trains. It must be exhausting.

Society would be much better if everyone could do their two hours of irrational hatred on Saturday afternoons, and learn to behave sensibly for the other 166 hours in the week.

Sadly, thanks mostly to social media, we see people behaving like football fans in so many other situations.

kle4

Sandpit said:

Cookie said:

Cookie said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Ha, fair point. I got momentarily excited by the idea of a third competitive team in the SPL.
But to the people booing 'Abide with me' I don't think making sense is too far up the agenda.

There are a lot of football fans who love their club and hate absolutely everything else. There is a spectrum to all this. Some will be happy just hating one or two other clubs, for others the hatred will extend to absolutely everything not explicitly associated with their club, like the Krikkiters in Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - other clubs, national anthems, hymns, policemen, police horses, shops, trains. It must be exhausting.

Society would be much better if everyone could do their two hours of irrational hatred on Saturday afternoons, and learn to behave sensibly for the other 166 hours in the week.

Sadly, thanks mostly to social media, we see people behaving like football fans in so many other situations.

I agree with all that, except I need a bit more than two hours of irrational hatred. Could I bargain you up to five?

Big_G_NorthWales

Level og

londonpubman

Not unknown for West Ham to blow leads...

Carnyx

Gardenwalker said:

Dura_Ace said:

Gardenwalker said:

Penny is untested.

She’s a void upon which PB Tories can cast their fantasies. We don’t know much about her at all.

She is a has been whose career has been in decline for about three years and shows zero energy or aptitude for the necessary self-promotion.

I guess the counter to that she’s shown conspicuous lack of interest in the Boris Show.

Same thing really, the latter is the only way to get ahead.

Gardenwalker

Simon Lightwood is Labour’s Wakefield candidate.

Gardenwalker

I thought Labour couldn’t find a local candidate. Lightwood lives in the electorate and seems to have been around for a while.

Sandpit

Gardenwalker said:

Simon Lightwood is Labour’s Wakefield candidate.

So where has he come from, and why all the controversy around the selection process?

Is it that he’s been parachuted in from HQ, that the local party is still run by Corbynites, or both of the above?

Gardenwalker

Sandpit said:

Gardenwalker said:

Simon Lightwood is Labour’s Wakefield candidate.

So where has he come from, and why all the controversy around the selection process?

Is it that he’s been parachuted in from HQ, that the local party is still run by Corbynites, or both of the above?

I think the problem is he’s not a Corbynite and the local party seems to be riddled with them.

Malmesbury

kle4 said:

Sandpit said:

Cookie said:

Cookie said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Cookie said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Good idea. They could make the SPL more competitive.

You do know that Scotland is also part of the UK, right? I mean, there's "hating the UK", and then there is having no idea of basic political geography.

Ha, fair point. I got momentarily excited by the idea of a third competitive team in the SPL.
But to the people booing 'Abide with me' I don't think making sense is too far up the agenda.

There are a lot of football fans who love their club and hate absolutely everything else. There is a spectrum to all this. Some will be happy just hating one or two other clubs, for others the hatred will extend to absolutely everything not explicitly associated with their club, like the Krikkiters in Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy - other clubs, national anthems, hymns, policemen, police horses, shops, trains. It must be exhausting.

Society would be much better if everyone could do their two hours of irrational hatred on Saturday afternoons, and learn to behave sensibly for the other 166 hours in the week.

Sadly, thanks mostly to social media, we see people behaving like football fans in so many other situations.

I agree with all that, except I need a bit more than two hours of irrational hatred. Could I bargain you up to five?

Cricket?

londonpubman

LOL

Applicant

Daggers beating Wrexham!

Or not... Goal disallowed...

Luckyguy1983

Dura_Ace said:

Gardenwalker said:

Penny is untested.

She’s a void upon which PB Tories can cast their fantasies. We don’t know much about her at all.

She is a has been whose career has been in decline for about three years and shows zero energy or aptitude for the necessary self-promotion.

Even you like her then - how can she fail?

Sandpit

Two points dropped by City today, now just need them to drop two more next week.

Northern_Al

I notice that B. Johnson came on for West Ham in injury time. To block the goal, perhaps?

Applicant

Northern_Al said:

I notice that B. Johnson came on for West Ham in injury time. To block the goal, perhaps?

I guess for this sort of tackling technique.

Carnyx

Applicant said:

Northern_Al said:

I notice that B. Johnson came on for West Ham in injury time. To block the goal, perhaps?

I guess for this sort of tackling technique.

No wonder he likes being filmed at JCB factories.

Nigelb

Sandpit said:

Video of what looks very much like thermite cluster bombs, raining down on Azovstal steelworks in Mariopol this morning.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1525820181255270400

Avostal makes the Alamo look like a school picnic. The defenders are reportedly almost out of medicines, with amputations for minor wounds as they have no antibiotics. It's astonishing they've held out as long as they have.
Though surrender isn't an option.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1525845692551512067
Why Azov Regiment surrendering to Russia not an option: from 2014, only 1
@Polk_Azov fighter returned from 🇷🇺captivity alive, with smashed teeth & internal organs. All others were tortured & killed - Yulia Fedosiuk at presser of Azovstal wives

kinabalu

Applicant said:

Northern_Al said:

I notice that B. Johnson came on for West Ham in injury time. To block the goal, perhaps?

I guess for this sort of tackling technique.

Is that football or rugby? Hard to tell.

Applicant

Will Collar scores goals.

Applicant

And Daggers do lead!

F*** you Wrexham, we're gonna win the league...

Nigelb

Cookie said:

Gardenwalker said:

Penny is untested.

She’s a void upon which PB Tories can cast their fantasies. We don’t know much about her at all.

I don't even know how you pronounce her surname. Is it 'more-dant'? 'Mord-aren't'? 'More-dunt'?

More or less.

algarkirk

NickPalmer said:

Scott_xP said:

NEW - Wakefield Labour party executive walks out of final vote to endorse by-election candidate, saying "to stay and vote would have condoned the process used."

Activists are v unhappy that final two candidates do not have Wakefield roots and that others were not shortlisted.
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1525826238270656512

Yes, it's been messy - as I understand it, a conference decision to allow CLPs to nomiate 3 short-listees has been circumvented by fine print, enabling the leadership to avoid including a local Corbynite. Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of this, how far will it affect the outcome of the by-election? Not very much, I suspect - most people have strictly limited interest in the proceeding of constituency parties (sadly!), and of those who do, a proportion will be pleased Labour is not choosing a left-winger. Although some activists may not sit the election out, I'd expect most to pile in now they've made their point.

This is all true, but one of several reasons why a Tory majority next time is a perfectly plausible proposition (the horse called 'Tory majority' is the 15/8 favourite, a fact no-one on PB ever seems to recall) is that during the campaign season, which will start all too soon, Labour will be under heavy artillery fire on several fronts. One will be that the only politically safe government is the Tory one because Labour is an extreme left outfit with a man of straw at the top.

The left threat prevented a Labour government in 2017 despite the Tories running the worst campaign in history (apart from 'Remain' in 2016).

Every internal spat between SKS and Corbynistas is grist to the mill. 15/8 Tory majority is actually too long. It's value.

Cookie

Applicant said:

And Daggers do lead!

F*** you Wrexham, we're gonna win the league...

Are you Stockport too Applicant?

Applicant

Cookie said:

Applicant said:

And Daggers do lead!

F*** you Wrexham, we're gonna win the league...

Are you Stockport too Applicant?

Aye. Was at Chesterfield, Wembley and Nuneaton for the last three promotions, couldn't make it today, stuck watching BT...

Cyclefree

Anyway, one of the many advantages of having a Daughter in hospitality is that our knives get professionally sharpened. And I am sure you will all be delighted to know that using one of those sharp knives, some alcohol and your wonderful tips (for which many thanks) I managed to extract my splinter.

Hooray!

Of course, now that arm is covered in nettle stings as a result of more gardening.

I like to live dangerously ....😀

Cookie

Applicant said:

Cookie said:

Applicant said:

And Daggers do lead!

F*** you Wrexham, we're gonna win the league...

Are you Stockport too Applicant?

Aye. Was at Chesterfield, Wembley and Nuneaton for the last three promotions, couldn't make it today, stuck watching BT...

You're a better fan than me. I don't think I've been to a game this century. I moved away from Stockport in the 90s and though I'm fairly local again now it's a habit I never got back into. I am quite enjoying having a football match I can care about though.

dixiedean

Goodison absolutely bouncing. A win and we are safe with two to play.
Quite a turnaround on both fronts in no time.

Leon

One for @BlancheLivermore

Looking in front of me





Looking directly behind me





Chin chin

noneoftheabove

kinabalu said:

Applicant said:

Northern_Al said:

I notice that B. Johnson came on for West Ham in injury time. To block the goal, perhaps?

I guess for this sort of tackling technique.

Is that football or rugby? Hard to tell.

From the participants it looks like a warm up for the UK Body Building national champs.

Leon

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Fake news, they just hate the establishment that committed a blood libel on the city.

They booed ABIDE WITH ME

They are vulgar, ugly, stupid, uncultured, infantile bags of shite. They’re not even *nails* enough to be called thugs any more

Carnyx

Leon said:

One for @BlancheLivermore

Looking in front of me





Looking directly behind me





Chin chin

Macedonia? Georgia?

Carnyx

noneoftheabove said:

kinabalu said:

Applicant said:

Northern_Al said:

I notice that B. Johnson came on for West Ham in injury time. To block the goal, perhaps?

I guess for this sort of tackling technique.

Is that football or rugby? Hard to tell.

From the participants it looks like a warm up for the UK Body Building national champs.

Sumo, surely.

Sean_F

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Have we discussed the transfer of LFÇ to some non-English League yet. They showed yesterday at Wembley that they dislike the UK so I'm sure they would hate to win the English Premiership.

Fake news, they just hate the establishment that committed a blood libel on the city.

They booed ABIDE WITH ME

They are vulgar, ugly, stupid, uncultured, infantile bags of shite. They’re not even *nails* enough to be called thugs any more

They make it very hard to sympathise with them.