Great news . Finally Starmer takes back control and screws the Tories .
The Tories have made an absolute horlicks of this, haven't they? The amazing thing is how obvious the bear trap was... yet they have wandered right into it. Is anyone engaging brain at Central Office?
The demand for the investigation came from an independent Durham Councillor who had lost his mother due to covid and it is attendees at the event who have contradicted Starmer's story
It may be convenient for some to blame the conservative party but this is happening because of disaffected labourites
You may have missed various Tory MPs and cabinet ministers demanding an investigation, MrG. Check out Nadine Dorries’ Twitter account. That should help you.
One doubts Big G needs much encouragement to check Nadine Dorries’s Twitter as he appears to take his talking points wholesale from there.
And you have tried to close this down from day one
Dorries is a terrible minister and I do not read her twitter - there is more to life than listening to her
Why not just resign when the fine is issued? Why announce in advance?
Is this an attempt to face down Durham police?
On the latter, yes. He's trying to be clever/lawyerly about it but the Durham police may decide to fuck him over now rather than cave. It has very high potential to backfire on him because the Met have set a precedent of handing out a FPN for the cake and the police in Durham can fall back on that if they choose to hand out a fine.
Just need one Tory to say "blatant attempt to intimidate the police" and it leaves them with no choice but to fine him.
It's such an easy way out as well for the Tories. "Starmer is using lawyerly intimidation tactics against the police". There's no easy comeback from that and if he gets away without a fine the stage is set that it's not because he wasn't guilty, but because he got special treatment as the LOTO.
Hmmm - Journalists and politicians who have put Durham police under huge pressure to investigate Keir Starmer complaining about Durham police being put under huge pressure by Keir Starmer may not be taken that seriously in the court of public opinion.
But that's various toadies and surrogates, not the PM. The issue here is Starmer doing it directly, it looks like (and is) intimidation tactics to avoid the FPN.
Cabinet ministers and Tory MPs were demanding an investigation. The Mail ran a front page lead on it last week. Look at various Tory tweets. They were all working together.
And yet it was all coming to nothing with the Mail giving up until an irate Corbyn supporter handed over a video and an eyewitness account to the police. That's what has triggered the investigation.
There is no doubt that disaffected Corbynites are colluding with the Mail and others, but the investigation was announced on Friday. The alleged eyewitness turned up in the Sunday Times yesterday and said they’d cooperate with the police if contacted. The video’s been around for over a year.
Am I the only one who finds this whole story incredibly boring?
I mean, if it had been Corbyn, at least he'd have been having the curry with Hezbollah, plotting the destruction of Israel. And if it had been Johnson, then there would probably have been karaoke, strippers and whiff-waff...
But Starmer? A bloody chicken korma with a can of weak lager.
Does the man have no shame?
TBH, I was actually very disappointed how crap the #10 parties seemed to be. Breaking a childs swing and then falling asleep on the sofa, is hardly hookers and blow....the Christmas zoom quiz in particular looked awful. Where was the shagging on the photocopier!
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
People on the left think it's a masterstroke by SKS and the Tories are doomed People on the right think SKS has put out a major hostage to fortune Pretty much nobody has said anything that couldn't have been predicted...
Chunk of that is explained by different worldviews.
My impression (remember that it's not my tribe) is that "taking one for the team/cause" makes a lot more sense to those on the left than on the right. Think that way, and the endpoints are vindication or self-sacrifice. Either of them is good. After all, they both put the Conservatives in a fairly shitty position.
Start on the right, it's a bit different. If Starmer gets FPNed, he doesn't get to be Prime Minister, and he has lost, and that's a risk not to be taken.
Johnson is the extreme case of this- can you imagine him ever taking one for (as opposed to from) the team? But it's an occupational hazard of being right-wing. Maggie was always disappointed that the people her government made rich didn't all become great philanthropists. When she implied that society was made of people, and wealth came with duty she meant it.
And that's one of the reason the Conservatives ballsed up their gaming of this. They forgot who they were playing.
Yes. This is astute. It's impossible to financially con someone not motivated by greed. Projecting your own motives onto others is a very common mistake in many walks of life.
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
Starmer is a top lawyer. Presumably he knows the law well - particularly when he voted for a law in parliament a few months earlier, and would have had discussions within his party on whether to support the legislation.
His USP is that he is not a clown.
Yet even he, big-brained as he is, cannot say he did not break the law. This is a sign that the law was really, really poorly defined.
The whole thing is ridiculous. But (shock, horror!) if the No. 10 thing was worthy of FPN's, then the Durham event is as well.
Keir is absolutely right to announce he would resign.
It’s the only way to get a grip of a story that is a transparent smear job by Tory HQ, disaffected Corbynistas and Big G.
It really is terrifying how this story has continued to escalate from nothing - the malevolence of Tory HQ; the power of the Daily Mail; and the gullibility of several posters on here.
Hopefully Labour learn a lesson from this. The only way these Tories will be ejected is by applying full feral force.
1. You tweeted Boris needed to go just because it was going to be investigated by the Met. irrespective of their findings Why are you waiting?
2 Why did you lie about Rayner
3. Why did you eat indoors with others rather than back at the hotel
4, What work fid you do after drinking beer. Someone present says no work was done or even planned after the Curry and Beer are they liars or you
5. You stated nowhere was available to eat that was incorrect there were multiple places including your hotel Why did you lie about that
6. Do you think you retain the trust of the Public a poll today showed twice as many thought you should quit compared to those who thought you should stay Is your position untenable
Loads of other ones like were there any other instances where you broke local rules?
I suspect he will have one robotic answer and will not be able to think on his feet so will repeat over and over again.
I think he should say there is a Poster on PB who says I am a Labour Legend the same as John Smith so I am not going to resign
There's an awful lot of things in there that you characterise as lying, which might well be simple ignorance.
Starmer is a top lawyer. Presumably he knows the law well - particularly when he voted for a law in parliament a few months earlier, and would have had discussions within his party on whether to support the legislation.
His USP is that he is not a clown.
Yet even he, big-brained as he is, cannot say he did not break the law. This is a sign that the law was really, really poorly defined.
The whole thing is ridiculous. But (shock, horror!) if the No. 10 thing was worthy of FPN's, then the Durham event is as well.
I'm not so sure.
The No 10 parties were back in 2020 when you could do virtually nothing.
This was in 2021 when you could go out and about albeit in limited group sizes.
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
Am I the only one who finds this whole story incredibly boring?
I mean, if it had been Corbyn, at least he'd have been having the curry with Hezbollah, plotting the destruction of Israel. And if it had been Johnson, then there would probably have been karaoke, strippers and whiff-waff...
But Starmer? A bloody chicken korma with a can of weak lager.
Does the man have no shame?
TBH, I was actually very disappointed how crap the #10 parties seemed to be. Breaking a childs swing and then falling asleep on the sofa, is hardly hookers and blow....the Christmas zoom quiz in particular looked awful. Where was the shagging on the photocopier!
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
You keep repeating that like it means anything.
Pathetic.
He’s clearly rattled just like his friends Nadine, Dan and Harry
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
Starmer is a top lawyer. Presumably he knows the law well - particularly when he voted for a law in parliament a few months earlier, and would have had discussions within his party on whether to support the legislation.
His USP is that he is not a clown.
Yet even he, big-brained as he is, cannot say he did not break the law. This is a sign that the law was really, really poorly defined.
The whole thing is ridiculous. But (shock, horror!) if the No. 10 thing was worthy of FPN's, then the Durham event is as well.
I'm not so sure.
The No 10 parties were back in 2020 when you could do virtually nothing.
This was in 2021 when you could go out and about albeit in limited group sizes.
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
No Applicant suggested that the Downing Street investigation was "re-opened"
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
You keep repeating that like it means anything.
Pathetic.
He’s clearly rattled just like his friends Nadine, Dan and Harry
I actually had some respect for Big G but the way he had operated over the last week shows him to be nothing more than a partisan stooge.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
You keep repeating that like it means anything.
Pathetic.
It means something when people say it when aggrieved by Boris.
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
Is this the attack line now? The Chancellor and Big Dog got fined, Starmer took on, bullied and beat up the police? The police are out to remove the Tories, not be fair, they are putty in Kier Starmer’s hands?
Sunak and Boris got fined because they paid tax payers money to a photographer to take pictures of them having an indoor social at the height of lockdown - and once Sue Gray said, ere govner, get you your mince pies on this, it was an open and shut suitcase.
Starmer is a top lawyer. Presumably he knows the law well - particularly when he voted for a law in parliament a few months earlier, and would have had discussions within his party on whether to support the legislation.
His USP is that he is not a clown.
Yet even he, big-brained as he is, cannot say he did not break the law. This is a sign that the law was really, really poorly defined.
The whole thing is ridiculous. But (shock, horror!) if the No. 10 thing was worthy of FPN's, then the Durham event is as well.
I love the line 'His USP is that he is not a clown ' Brilliant. Great line.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
Calling for him to resign even when the investigation is underway.
Yes he should go now having demanded Johnson go on news of the FPN investigation. The fact that Johnson still hasn't gone despite an FPN sort of neutralises that argument. Johnson could have made the same assurance as Starmer has today.
Labour media management has been shocking. Four days to get to this point really is poor.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
This feels similar to Major resigning - call out the other side and force them to move. Starmer says "I stand for honour and integrity" saying if he gets what Johnson gets he will resign with honour.
So, Johnson has no honour. We know that of course, but its fun to see Starmer go "put up or shut up"
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
Calling for him to resign even when the investigation is underway.
"if he misled Parliament, he must resign" – he is calling for his resignation for lying to parliament, can you not read?
I was actually more interested in the second part. That statement you've quoted is fine, it's conditional on the outcome.
What second part.
Stop gaslighting.
It's in the link, sorry for not quoting it here.
Since he acknowledges that the ministerial code applies to him, will he now resign?
So he is calling for the resignation before any investigation as to whether or not he had broken the ministerial code (or got an FPN) had been conducted.
Lovely bit of polling from Savanta: 41% of Brits have heard about Beergate, 74% Partygate - and 20% claim they know about Hikegate 'a fictional Covid-related scandal relating to Ed Davey'
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
You keep repeating that like it means anything.
Pathetic.
He’s clearly rattled just like his friends Nadine, Dan and Harry
I actually had some respect for Big G but the way he had operated over the last week shows him to be nothing more than a partisan stooge.
I still think Big G definitely wants Boris out asap and probably won’t vote Conservative at next General Election though.
It was the election fever, bringing out all the partisanship on PB the last three weeks, I think everybody hade a dose of it, to be fair.
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
That's the Mail though, it wasn't Boris or JRM calling up the chief of police in Durham. It's why @tlg86 is right, just put the word out that he's minded to resign if he gets a FPN in the Guardian or Mirror but don't come out and actually say it. That way there's still pressure on the police to not issue a fine but he's not actually putting it on them directly. This feels like something the investigating officers will react badly to and now may choose to fuck him, and not very gently either.
You mean that there was forward planning into the party, he was the organiser, and should therefore get a £10k fine like Kay Burley and that singer?
1. You tweeted Boris needed to go just because it was going to be investigated by the Met. irrespective of their findings Why are you waiting?
2 Why did you lie about Rayner
3. Why did you eat indoors with others rather than back at the hotel
4, What work fid you do after drinking beer. Someone present says no work was done or even planned after the Curry and Beer are they liars or you
5. You stated nowhere was available to eat that was incorrect there were multiple places including your hotel Why did you lie about that
6. Do you think you retain the trust of the Public a poll today showed twice as many thought you should quit compared to those who thought you should stay Is your position untenable
Loads of other ones like were there any other instances where you broke local rules?
I suspect he will have one robotic answer and will not be able to think on his feet so will repeat over and over again.
I think he should say there is a Poster on PB who says I am a Labour Legend the same as John Smith so I am not going to resign
There's an awful lot of things in there that you characterise as lying, which might well be simple ignorance.
Simply applying the same standard that Labour have to Boris.
Like when the Mail and Tory MPs intimidated Durham to reopen this?
Or like when much of the media and Labour MPs intimidated the Met to re-open the Downing Street investigation.
When was it "re-opened"? My understanding was that it was simply opened, and then has been ongoing due to the huge amount of evidence of wrong doing in No10.
It was reopened on receipt of a formal complaint by a Durham councillor who had lost his mother with covid
You keep repeating that like it means anything.
Pathetic.
He’s clearly rattled just like his friends Nadine, Dan and Harry
I actually had some respect for Big G but the way he had operated over the last week shows him to be nothing more than a partisan stooge.
I still think Big G definitely wants Boris out asap and probably won’t vote Conservative at next General Election though.
It was the election fever, bringing out all the partisanship on PB the last three weeks, I think everybody hade a dose of it, to be fair.
I don’t know, I don’t trust him anymore. His smearing over the past week (and now his attempts to pretend the Tories have not been near it) are astonishing to me.
It’s like seeing Santa Claus caught in flagrante with one of the elves.
'Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.'
Starmer’s tweet on January 31. Investigation alone is grounds for resignation. Hoist, say hello to Petard, Own.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
Calling for him to resign even when the investigation is underway.
"if he misled Parliament, he must resign" – he is calling for his resignation for lying to parliament, can you not read?
I was actually more interested in the second part. That statement you've quoted is fine, it's conditional on the outcome.
What second part.
Stop gaslighting.
It's in the link, sorry for not quoting it here.
Since he acknowledges that the ministerial code applies to him, will he now resign?
So he is calling for the resignation before any investigation as to whether or not he had broken the ministerial code (or got an FPN) had been conducted.
No, he says that Boris has broken the ministerial code.
Starmer not clear on what he will do if Durham Police don't fine him retrospectively but conclude that he did infringe the rules, as they did with Dominic Cummings.
"I simply had something to eat while working late in the evening, as any politician would do days before an election, but if the police decide to issue me with a fixed penalty notice, I would, of course, do the right thing and step down. This matters. It matters because the British public deserve politicians who think the rules apply to them..."
Called it earlier today - the sensible and principled response. I'm not a massive Starmer fan, but credit to him.
All of the "forensic" questions that Starmer put to the PM can be thrown back at him. For example: "When did he first become aware that any of his staff had concerns about the party?"
Am I the only one who finds this whole story incredibly boring?
I mean, if it had been Corbyn, at least he'd have been having the curry with Hezbollah, plotting the destruction of Israel. And if it had been Johnson, then there would probably have been karaoke, strippers and whiff-waff...
But Starmer? A bloody chicken korma with a can of weak lager.
Does the man have no shame?
TBH, I was actually very disappointed how crap the #10 parties seemed to be. Breaking a childs swing and then falling asleep on the sofa, is hardly hookers and blow....the Christmas zoom quiz in particular looked awful. Where was the shagging on the photocopier!
Starmer not clear on what he will do if Durham Police don't fine him retrospectively but conclude that he did infringe the rules, as they did with Dominic Cummings.
It's a trickier point, I think, and I can understand why he doesn't want to get into the weeds of all the permutations of what he might or might not do.
If Durham Police agree no rules were broken he probably survives
By rules you mean laws. And the key word is "laws". Not guidelines. Not guesswork. Not that there was a memo. Not that they "lied" about Rayner's presence at what they considered to be a legal event. Just the law.
The problem with the Mail/Tory HQ case is that it doesn't quote the laws. It thrashed around for a week trying to find an angle. So now he's done "put up or shut up" and frankly I think he can now slam Johnson hard.
"If I get a FPN I will quit because I have honour and principles. Why has the Prime Minister not displayed any honour and principles and done what I will do?"
Tories haven't thought this one through. Pressure back onto Johnson.
All of the "forensic" questions that Starmer put to the PM can be thrown back at him. For example: "When did he first become aware that any of his staff had concerns about the party?"
“When it was raised by Tory friendly journalists in the Mail and the Sun”.
1. You tweeted Boris needed to go just because it was going to be investigated by the Met. irrespective of their findings Why are you waiting?
2 Why did you lie about Rayner
3. Why did you eat indoors with others rather than back at the hotel
4, What work fid you do after drinking beer. Someone present says no work was done or even planned after the Curry and Beer are they liars or you
5. You stated nowhere was available to eat that was incorrect there were multiple places including your hotel Why did you lie about that
6. Do you think you retain the trust of the Public a poll today showed twice as many thought you should quit compared to those who thought you should stay Is your position untenable
Loads of other ones like were there any other instances where you broke local rules?
I suspect he will have one robotic answer and will not be able to think on his feet so will repeat over and over again.
I think he should say there is a Poster on PB who says I am a Labour Legend the same as John Smith so I am not going to resign
There's an awful lot of things in there that you characterise as lying, which might well be simple ignorance.
Simply applying the same standard that Labour have to Boris.
I was referring to - for example - the contention that he knew that the hotel would be serving food.
If you had the choice between (a) a definite curry or (b) possible hotel food, which would you choose?
Breaking - Rayner says she will quit too. "We have a Prime Minister who has been found to have broken the rules, lied about it and then been fined. If I were issued with a fine, I would do the decent thing and step down." https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1523684089135796226
'Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.'
Starmer’s tweet on January 31. Investigation alone is grounds for resignation. Hoist, say hello to Petard, Own.
No, CHB and Gardenwalker say you're lying and gaslighting.
“Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.”
Yea that’s resign for lying, which he did in the HoC
He made a similar statement before the Gray report even came out.
Calling for him to resign even when the investigation is underway.
"if he misled Parliament, he must resign" – he is calling for his resignation for lying to parliament, can you not read?
I was actually more interested in the second part. That statement you've quoted is fine, it's conditional on the outcome.
What second part.
Stop gaslighting.
It's in the link, sorry for not quoting it here.
Since he acknowledges that the ministerial code applies to him, will he now resign?
So he is calling for the resignation before any investigation as to whether or not he had broken the ministerial code (or got an FPN) had been conducted.
No, he says that Boris has broken the ministerial code.
Is it for him to make that determination? He was calling for resignation the day after the Met announced they would be investigating. The mere fact of an investigation does not prove guilt.
Lovely bit of polling from Savanta: 41% of Brits have heard about Beergate, 74% Partygate - and 20% claim they know about Hikegate 'a fictional Covid-related scandal relating to Ed Davey'
'Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.'
Starmer’s tweet on January 31. Investigation alone is grounds for resignation. Hoist, say hello to Petard, Own.
No, CHB and Gardenwalker say you're lying and gaslighting.
Yes and I stand by that. That quote doesn’t mean anything. He’s clearly referring again to Johnson’s comments in the HoC.
Breaking - Rayner says she will quit too. "We have a Prime Minister who has been found to have broken the rules, lied about it and then been fined. If I were issued with a fine, I would do the decent thing and step down." https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1523684089135796226
'Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.'
Starmer’s tweet on January 31. Investigation alone is grounds for resignation. Hoist, say hello to Petard, Own.
Yep tricky one that. Only defence is I'm definitely not guilty, but we all know you are. Personally I would struggle to make that argument convincingly. His tweet was far too definite.
1. You tweeted Boris needed to go just because it was going to be investigated by the Met. irrespective of their findings Why are you waiting?
2 Why did you lie about Rayner
3. Why did you eat indoors with others rather than back at the hotel
4, What work fid you do after drinking beer. Someone present says no work was done or even planned after the Curry and Beer are they liars or you
5. You stated nowhere was available to eat that was incorrect there were multiple places including your hotel Why did you lie about that
6. Do you think you retain the trust of the Public a poll today showed twice as many thought you should quit compared to those who thought you should stay Is your position untenable
Loads of other ones like were there any other instances where you broke local rules?
I suspect he will have one robotic answer and will not be able to think on his feet so will repeat over and over again.
I think he should say there is a Poster on PB who says I am a Labour Legend the same as John Smith so I am not going to resign
There's an awful lot of things in there that you characterise as lying, which might well be simple ignorance.
Simply applying the same standard that Labour have to Boris.
I was referring to - for example - the contention that he knew that the hotel would be serving food.
If you had the choice between (a) a definite curry or (b) possible hotel food, which would you choose?
If Durham Police agree no rules were broken he probably survives
The problem with the Mail/Tory HQ case is that it doesn't quote the laws. It thrashed around for a week trying to find an angle. So now he's done "put up or shut up" and frankly I think he can now slam Johnson hard.
On the Prime Minister's podcast, they play a snippet from recordings of (available) prime ministers. Major's is "put up or shut up".
Lovely bit of polling from Savanta: 41% of Brits have heard about Beergate, 74% Partygate - and 20% claim they know about Hikegate 'a fictional Covid-related scandal relating to Ed Davey'
1. You tweeted Boris needed to go just because it was going to be investigated by the Met. irrespective of their findings Why are you waiting?
2 Why did you lie about Rayner
3. Why did you eat indoors with others rather than back at the hotel
4, What work fid you do after drinking beer. Someone present says no work was done or even planned after the Curry and Beer are they liars or you
5. You stated nowhere was available to eat that was incorrect there were multiple places including your hotel Why did you lie about that
6. Do you think you retain the trust of the Public a poll today showed twice as many thought you should quit compared to those who thought you should stay Is your position untenable
Loads of other ones like were there any other instances where you broke local rules?
I suspect he will have one robotic answer and will not be able to think on his feet so will repeat over and over again.
I think he should say there is a Poster on PB who says I am a Labour Legend the same as John Smith so I am not going to resign
There's an awful lot of things in there that you characterise as lying, which might well be simple ignorance.
Simply applying the same standard that Labour have to Boris.
I was referring to - for example - the contention that he knew that the hotel would be serving food.
If you had the choice between (a) a definite curry or (b) possible hotel food, which would you choose?
Not sure that argument stands up. Is there no Deliveroo in Durham that would have delivered to you outside the hotel if not food available?
'Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.'
Starmer’s tweet on January 31. Investigation alone is grounds for resignation. Hoist, say hello to Petard, Own.
No, CHB and Gardenwalker say you're lying and gaslighting.
Yes and I stand by that. That quote doesn’t mean anything. He’s clearly referring again to Johnson’s comments in the HoC.
I’m batting next, have a nice afternoon all
Ah, so his words "clearly" mean something different to what they say?
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Dorries is a terrible minister and I do not read her twitter - there is more to life than listening to her
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2022-01-26b.994.5
Calling for him to resign even when the investigation is underway.
Projecting your own motives onto others is a very common mistake in many walks of life.
It’s the only way to get a grip of a story that is a transparent smear job by Tory HQ, disaffected Corbynistas and Big G.
It really is terrifying how this story has continued to escalate from nothing - the malevolence of Tory HQ; the power of the Daily Mail; and the gullibility of several posters on here.
Hopefully Labour learn a lesson from this.
The only way these Tories will be ejected is by applying full feral force.
The No 10 parties were back in 2020 when you could do virtually nothing.
This was in 2021 when you could go out and about albeit in limited group sizes.
Pathetic.
The PB Tories must stop gaslighting everybody.
In? Not so much.
How are Durham Plod going to get out of this?
I think I would be drafting a statement like, "Possible minor violation, but does not meet threshold of FPN of Durham Constabulary".
Something with some leeway which does not come down heavily on one side or the other.
They need some words to get them out of the row, and leave it to Tory and Labour to bash each other up over the stupid laws.
You lied. You’re a liar.
But this is the biggest, and most unexpected political gamble I can remember for some time.
Apparently.
Sunak and Boris got fined because they paid tax payers money to a photographer to take pictures of them having an indoor social at the height of lockdown - and once Sue Gray said, ere govner, get you your mince pies on this, it was an open and shut suitcase.
I saw Goody Osborn with the Devil!
I am not a liar and you are attempting to close me down
I will leave it to others who are not prejudiced personally on my posts
The Teesside Heathrow flight route has been cancelled with immediate effect (well 2 weeks) after Heathrow upped the landing fee to £30.10 a passenger.
Labour media management has been shocking. Four days to get to this point really is poor.
You are a liar.
1. that MPs see Labour doing way better in the locals to focus on loser Boris and
2. make sure the public don't look at politics and think "they are all as bad as each other".
FFS, Starmer.....
Why am I not surprised when they support a liar in Downing Street.
I am off to play cricket
Stop gaslighting.
So, Johnson has no honour. We know that of course, but its fun to see Starmer go "put up or shut up"
You must now resign from PB’s pearl-clutcher-in-chief; and let someone with unquestioned moral probity like Blanche Livermore take on the job.
Since he acknowledges that the ministerial code applies to him, will he now resign?
So he is calling for the resignation before any investigation as to whether or not he had broken the ministerial code (or got an FPN) had been conducted.
Lovely bit of polling from Savanta: 41% of Brits have heard about Beergate, 74% Partygate - and 20% claim they know about Hikegate 'a fictional Covid-related scandal relating to Ed Davey'
https://twitter.com/JamesTapsfield/status/1523680046673809408
Their media management stinks.
It was the election fever, bringing out all the partisanship on PB the last three weeks, I think everybody hade a dose of it, to be fair.
If Durham Police agree no rules were broken he probably survives
His smearing over the past week (and now his attempts to pretend the Tories have not been near it) are astonishing to me.
It’s like seeing Santa Claus caught in flagrante with one of the elves.
Starmer’s tweet on January 31. Investigation alone is grounds for resignation. Hoist, say hello to Petard, Own.
Starmer not clear on what he will do if Durham Police don't fine him retrospectively but conclude that he did infringe the rules, as they did with Dominic Cummings.
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1523682874871799811
This matters. It matters because the British public deserve politicians who think the rules apply to them..."
Called it earlier today - the sensible and principled response.
I'm not a massive Starmer fan, but credit to him.
Not a chance
The problem with the Mail/Tory HQ case is that it doesn't quote the laws. It thrashed around for a week trying to find an angle. So now he's done "put up or shut up" and frankly I think he can now slam Johnson hard.
"If I get a FPN I will quit because I have honour and principles. Why has the Prime Minister not displayed any honour and principles and done what I will do?"
Tories haven't thought this one through. Pressure back onto Johnson.
If you had the choice between (a) a definite curry or (b) possible hotel food, which would you choose?
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1523684089135796226
I said he regretted supporting Corbyn. Remember due to Corbyn Drakeford lost a load of MPs
Up to the walls, and right bloody through them.
I’m batting next, have a nice afternoon all
If Starmer makes it, these could be his.
He needs a bloody profile - anything!