Doxxing is not fine. So we should stop it. Calling someone "a twat" IS fine, clearly, otherwise 90% of my commentary is forbidden
As for @Heathener I agree with @NickPalmer. I used to think she was a troll, but I don't any more. If she is a Russian troll, she's not very good, she barely mentions anything-to-do-with Russia from one week to the next. She seems to be what she says she is, an opinionated Labour supporting woman with a fondness for Buddhism, she might be eccentric, but we are all eccentric - we're on here, for a start
Peace!
There is no way that Heathener is not a native English speaker so the accusations of being Russian are just puerile.
Yes one of the dumbest things here.
And brought up by the same people, it does come across like bullying.
Heathener is always incredibly polite, I still don’t know what she has done to deserve this. She uses a VPN, get over it
I have to admit I am finding it difficult to be polite when I'm accused of being a troll. It's incredibly insulting tbh.
So, yes, it does get under my skin. Which I guess they know and it's why they do it. Nice people.
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
And after the GE it will be Streeting who leads LAB and he will probably lead them back to government in 2028/2029.
"Scientists Say There’s an ‘Anti-Universe’ Running Backward in Time
"Could it be that a newly discovered “anti-universe” might run parallel to our own universe? If so, it would essentially spread out “backward” in time, prior to the Big Bang, in the same way our universe progressed “forward” in time."
I thought the Mail excelled itself yesterday on its non-coverage of the local elections. It's poor readership are being force fed a thin gruel of "aren't Labour terrible", "aren't Harry and Meghan terrible" and " we don't care about anyone who isn't a Leave-voting suburban or rural Conservative".
Apparently, the losses in Wandsworth, Barnet and Westminster weren't down to our blessed Prime Minister, oh no, but because these areas are full of "woke, metropolitan elite Remainers" so that's half the country written off it would seem.
Grudging acknowledgement of LD successes in the so-called "Blue Wall" was explained away by "they'll all come back to the Tories when it's a proper real election". Fine, try telling all those poor local Conservative Councillors who got swept away on Thursday they laid down their lives in vain to support the Prime Minister.
As someone who genuinely believes in freedom of speech and plural democracy it saddens me newspapers, tv channels and the like find the concept of having contrary opinions at the same time so difficult. I'm happy to credit the Government with, for example, excellent decision-making on vaccine procurement. We were in the vanguard (along with Israel) on getting vaccinations into the population and unquestionably many lives were saved.
I'll also credit the Government's robust approach on Ukraine - we have led the western diplomatic response to unacceptable Russian aggression.
Yet, both those being said, is it wrong to question the Government's policy on care home patients during the pandemic or test-and-trace or the bureaucratic response to Ukrainian refugee applications? I'd argue not - the inability of some to see beyond the black and white into the shades of grey which are in fact normality is the worst of all.
It's far too easy to abandon objectivity and retreat into echo chambers where the only voices re-enforce your own opinions, prejudices or misconceptions. It's also far too easy to adopt broad-brush responses and argue the Government has done everything right on the pandemic or the Ukraine or the economy or anything else. The truth is far more nuanced - the Government has done some things well and some things not so well. Part of scrutiny and accountability to which all Governments should be held is to recognise areas of failing and ask searching questions while of course acknowledging those areas which have been successful.
Yet to even do that basic democratic tenet is to invite vitriol and abuse from the loyalists - it's not wrong to ask questions, it's not wrong to point out failings, it's not wrong to hold any Government to account. That's the fundamental difference between democracy and dictatorship.
"they'll all come back to the Tories when it's a proper real election"
I hate complacency in politics no matter which side is dumb enough to go there (and this blog recently it’s normally the Labour supporters ignoring how hard it could be on GE night to remove Boris majority and retake the red wall).
But you have hit nail on the head Stodge. big take out from real votes last week The sheer extent the blue wall melted is not anything I have seen in my lifetime and likely historic and significant. " we don't care about anyone who isn't a Leave-voting suburban or rural Conservative" Is such a great call by you Stodge because it is a dumb ass business model to be on the side that is shrinking and losing.
Let’s all agree something, especially the Brexit supporters, the get Brexit done supporters. Brexit is alive and well in deciding who to vote for. It’s not gone away, it’s not done out microwave and eaten washed up put away what’s on Netflix, when voters to this degree are telling you it isn’t. And they definitely are. Leave remain was so alive in these English Locals 2022 so as to be a wet fish slapping your face, you have zero credibility to ignore it.
From my posts on the night, I completely changed my view by Friday afternoon on how dreadful locals for Labour And crumbs of comfort for Boris I first thought I was witnessing. personally I am convinced these all over the road results hide enough of a sea change. If red wall was so terrible for Labour why did the Tories in most red wall, like Sunderland look so glum and call Boris to go, whilst Labour were chairing themselves around the room. Both sides definitely got something different on the doorsteps and in votes than they have had for a while.
It’s a question of how long does it take to unwind a landslide Brexit majority while Brexit becomes less popular and those nailed to it sink into caca. History, as a Mike header more than once told us, is rare sweeping away Landslide majortitties in one go.
We obsess about the next election, where Tories may actually still be in with a chance if unwind in Leaveastan is slow. I propose, if Brexit voting doesn’t go away, perhaps it could be elections after that will be Tories real problem? Will their brexit problems at ballot box start to become lethal after winning next election? For how long will they be hated in Remainia for Brexit? Will they lose even more leave voters over time too? Being the Party of Brexit, Is it a case of scrape in next time, then out for two decades? Three decades? For ever and ever?
He also argued that the event was analagous to the Downing Street gathering where Johnson and his staff were photographed drinking wine and eating cheese in the No 10 garden where they were said to be discussing work matters. That event was not investigated by the Metropolitan police, Wagner pointed out.
This will be political if the Met now doesn’t reopen Johnson’s one
The difference as has been pointed out the Downing Street gathering was outside, Durham was inside and different rules applied
Given Lisa Nandy warned Starmer to move off Partygate she must be spitting blood at getting sent out to defend the indefensible this morning.
I do feel the Cost of Living Crisis is going to be the only game in Town going forward. Whichever Party can mitigate that best in the voters views will do very well.
Agreed. I learnt two things from Susanna Reid's interview with Johnson last week. Eroding benefits through inflation is actual government policy. Tipping many people struggling to get by into outright poverty.
Secondly, Johnson has given no real thought to Cost of Living, the biggest issue facing the country right now. If he had he would go into the interview with a list of things his government are doing to mitigate the crisis. He had nothing to say on the topic.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
I think they're doomed. And the election results are not much to do with the membership, but more the voters. Most voters aren't members, and the voters took one look at Alba and went "nah mate". It's over for Salmond. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
There isn't room for three Nationalist parties. The SNP try to be all things to all people, the Greens add the environmental angle, Alba seem to be the "Alex was framed". party.
Why would you vote for them knowing you are splitting the nationalist cause and likely letting in a unionist? If they stood for something that the others had missed then fine. They don't - it's a personality cult.
Had the trot left scabbed off to found the Peace and Justice Party with Jezbollah we would likely have seen similar. As with The Independent Group for Flouncing, parties need to stand for something other than "MeMeMeMeMeMe"
Craziness is not retrocted to Russia. This is what Trumps former Defence Secretary has been saying:
"Former President Donald J. Trump asked Mark T. Esper, his defense secretary, about the possibility of launching missiles into Mexico to “destroy the drug labs” and wipe out the cartels, maintaining that the United States’ involvement in a strike against its southern neighbor could be kept secret"
"When Mr. Esper raised various objections, Mr. Trump said that “we could just shoot some Patriot missiles and take out the labs, quietly,” adding that “no one would know it was us.” Mr. Trump said he would just say that the United States had not conducted the strike, Mr. Esper recounts, writing that he would have thought it was a joke had he not been staring Mr. Trump in the face."
Given past examples , what chance they would get right targets.
Destroying drug labs has been a DEA policy for many, many years. Usually by giving intelligence and equipment to local police/military.
The reason this doesn’t end the drug trade is that the drug trade works on percentages. Enough labs survive, that enough drugs are exported to keep things going. At each stage on the way to the user, some are lost/captured/stolen. But enough gets through.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
"Scientists Say There’s an ‘Anti-Universe’ Running Backward in Time
"Could it be that a newly discovered “anti-universe” might run parallel to our own universe? If so, it would essentially spread out “backward” in time, prior to the Big Bang, in the same way our universe progressed “forward” in time."
With a Noel posting on the local equivalent of PB ...
Advanced cosmology now closely resembles medieval theology, with its lists of demons and angels in their hierarchies. A detailed, fanciful, earnest discussion of the quintessentially supernatural and unknowable
In the last few years they've veered between one universe doomed to heat death to multiple universes and we're just one to an anti-universe running backwards in time. As for Dark Matter that seems about as legitimate a theory as the Doctrine of Purgatory, something invented to fill a very awkward gap (what happens to slightly sinful people?)
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
Point of order, when it comes to factional contests, the order of the candidates is less important than the order of the factions. If you reran 2020 just removing Starmer, Nandy would pick up a huge number of the Starmer votes and leapfrog RLB. Easily.
RLB won't stand, Reeves, Cooper or Streeting would easily defeat Nandy and pick up most Starmer votes, Burnham would pick up more northern votes if and when he returns to the Commons.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
. Your a Minsk troll using a VPN. .
At least if you are going to accuse me of being a troll pay attention to your grammar. It's something they teach us diligently in Moscow.
I'm beginning to think that some tories like yourself on here are not merely mendacious but incredibly incredibly thick pieces of gammon. The pertubation that use of a VPN generates is most amusing.
A VPN = trolling. Er, right ho. I don't know any youngster who streams who doesn't use a VPN and anyone with half a brain who is concerned about tracking should use one.
Geddit? No I didn't think so.
A Minsk troll who knows Woking well enough to be able to come up,with an excellent tip on the Lib Dem chances of taking the council.
This is one of those cases where if you think the account is an op, you should pretend not to notice to encourage the team behind it to do more work like this. Another one is Naomi Wu.
The fuck?
Really this is just so stupid. I'm a real person who lives in Hook Heath, hence my name. I'll even meet up with tlg86 who lives here if you like.
But why should I take any notice of someone who lives in Tokyo?
I use a VPN. Get fucking over it. Everyone imho should use a VPN. Seriously, anyone accusing me of this just reveals that they were born before 1980.
The Mail initially said it was 30 people because of a "source".
It's now 15 people, so they lied.
Starmer has admitted 30 people were there and an independent Durham councillor who lost his mother made the formal complaint to the Durham Police that has led to the police to reopen the case
Two students who were present and took a video want to speak to the police and there is an indication this is being instigated by disaffected left labourites who have not accepted Starmer's move to the centre
Indeed Dianne Abbott last night said that Starmer would have to review his position if he receives a FPN
This is very serious for Starmer, Rayner and the MP Mary Foy and the truth will come out in the next couple of months once the detectives have reviewed the questionnaires which are being sent to all the attendees
And if Durham Police do decide all was OK the 'usual suspects' will be demanding an inquiry into them!
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
I think they're doomed. And the election results are not much to do with the membership, but more the voters. Most voters aren't members, and the voters took one look at Alba and went "nah mate". It's over for Salmond. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
That was very much my view but @malcolmg has been a strong supporter and I wondered if he could give us any insight from the inside. Guilty or not guilty the hatchet job done on Salmond has worked a treat for Nicola.
At that stage, the leadership contest becomes one between Lisa Nandy, Bridget Phillipson and Wes Streeting. Given the current membership profile, I suspect that it would be one of the latter two who would win.
Wtf?!
Once again your certainties have over-ridden your knowledge. You haven't even mentioned the most likely successor: the stand-out performer in parliament. Even the bookies have her as favourite once you discount Andy Burnham (who isn't even an MP).
There are several other potentials successors should the event arise.
As a Labour party member I speak with some knowledge of the way in which it operates and what its membership thinks. If you are referring to Yvette Cooper, she is certainly a possibility, though I suspect she would struggle on transfers (and may not even stand).
Does she actually want it?
She didn’t seem that hungry for the job last time she ran
Doxxing is not fine. So we should stop it. Calling someone "a twat" IS fine, clearly, otherwise 90% of my commentary is forbidden
As for @Heathener I agree with @NickPalmer. I used to think she was a troll, but I don't any more. If she is a Russian troll, she's not very good, she barely mentions anything-to-do-with Russia from one week to the next. She seems to be what she says she is, an opinionated Labour supporting woman with a fondness for Buddhism, she might be eccentric, but we are all eccentric - we're on here, for a start
Peace!
There is no way that Heathener is not a native English speaker so the accusations of being Russian are just puerile.
Yes one of the dumbest things here.
And brought up by the same people, it does come across like bullying.
Heathener is always incredibly polite, I still don’t know what she has done to deserve this. She uses a VPN, get over it
I have to admit I am finding it difficult to be polite when I'm accused of being a troll. It's incredibly insulting tbh.
So, yes, it does get u.nder my skin. Which I guess they know and it's why they do it. Nice people.
I disagree with you on most things, but you are quite justified in your irritation. People should stop calling you a troll given that there is vanishingly meagre evidence for it. I believe the original accusation was made by @rcs1000 because you have a suspicious IP address?
There has been no such evidence since. We should take you at face value
Given Lisa Nandy warned Starmer to move off Partygate she must be spitting blood at getting sent out to defend the indefensible this morning.
I do feel the Cost of Living Crisis is going to be the only game in Town going forward. Whichever Party can mitigate that best in the voters views will do very well.
I don't think any party can mitigate it. So we're back to simple principles - do they care? The Tories don't care, so opposition parties only need to show they get people's issues and will *try* to mitigate.
Quite simply both big parties can no longer maintain their voter base coalitions. Tories can't keep both the red wall and the sarf. Labour can't win the red wall and keep the cities.
I hope the ensuing chaos will let all sides move towards a voting system that lets people get who they want and provokes coalitions and thus sensible politics.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
. Your a Minsk troll using a VPN. .
At least if you are going to accuse me of being a troll pay attention to your grammar. It's something they teach us diligently in Moscow.
I'm beginning to think that some tories like yourself on here are not merely mendacious but incredibly incredibly thick pieces of gammon. The pertubation that use of a VPN generates is most amusing.
A VPN = trolling. Er, right ho. I don't know any youngster who streams who doesn't use a VPN and anyone with half a brain who is concerned about tracking should use one.
Geddit? No I didn't think so.
A Minsk troll who knows Woking well enough to be able to come up,with an excellent tip on the Lib Dem chances of taking the council.
This is one of those cases where if you think the account is an op, you should pretend not to notice to encourage the team behind it to do more work like this. Another one is Naomi Wu.
The fuck?
Really this is just so stupid. I'm a real person who lives in Hook Heath, hence my name. I'll even meet up with tlg86 who lives here if you like.
But why should I take any notice of someone who lives in Tokyo?
I use a VPN. Get fucking over it. Everyone imho should use a VPN. Seriously, anyone accusing me of this just reveals that they were born before 1980.
Heatherner is clearly fed up with being accused of being a a troll, politeness doesn't come into it. The impolite people are those that keep bullying her.
As usual one user takes their side because they agree with their political views, PB Moderator V2 you could call them, well if only they actually were a moderator.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Voters, David, voters. You're an advocate, you're precise.
Too true Carnyx, they lost so many members they now hide the numbers. Even the missing £600K did not make the sheeple question them.
SKS - There is some wiggle room for SKS as he was previously cleared by Durham police and should await the result of the new investigation. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
BOZO - The man has no shame, honour or integrity. He should have been turfed out weeks ago. Odious man. Replace with Jeremy Hunt.
ED - A man so boring and devoid of charisma that he makes John Major interesting. Replace with Daisy Cooper.
Davey made the biggest gains on Thursday (and of course Major did win in 1992).
The Tory membership won't vote for Hunt, see the 2019 leadership election.
Burnham would do better than Starmer in the redwall but Streeting might also be good and looks presentable, however I don't think any of the 3 will be going before the next general election.
"The Tory membership won't vote for Hunt, see the 2019 leadership election."
You seem very confident of this but a lot has changed since then and Hunt did pretty well against expectations in 2019.
Hunt lost because he was broadly the continuity candidate in a change election - he was deemed inappropriate for the occasion by the Tory selectorate; he wasn't rejected for being loathsome to them. He had some personal qualities May lacked (more collegiate, less of a bunker-dweller) but was essentially a slightly dull Remain supporter hoping (rather unrealistically) to get a Brexit deal through on the basis of a bit of a new-PM honeymoon.
Conservatives went for Johnson as he was a Brexit supporter promising to drive it through which, in fairness, he did (albeit with major flaws in the deal). He was (and is) also a charismatic figure who made many Tories feel good about themselves - although that's very much waned.
The next Conservative leadership election won't be Johnson v Hunt, and won't be primarily Brexit-based. As such - whilst Hunt has some important flaws - he has a case. He's stayed clear of government incompetence and sleaze since 2019, is capable and presentable... and he only needs to beat the opponent MPs select for him.
Wallace and Truss and Zahawi, the likeliest replacements for Boris would all beat Hunt, probably even Raab and Rees Mogg would beat him with Tory members too.
The only opponents he might beat are Sunak post fine and budget and Patel
Another 3 absolute crooked donkeys who are all part of the current useless bunch.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
It will be interesting to see if they can hold it together once Nicola goes. She has driven out any independent (hah) thought and surrounded herself with yes people but I don't see anyone with that skill of manipulation in her potential successors.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
A photo from May 2020 showed the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. When asked about it, Boris Johnson said “those people were at work talking about work”.
The rules: Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising. This event is not being investigated by the police.
There was no exemption for being outdoors. End of story.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
I think they're doomed. And the election results are not much to do with the membership, but more the voters. Most voters aren't members, and the voters took one look at Alba and went "nah mate". It's over for Salmond. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
I am amazed he hasn't just dished all the dirt he has and gone off for a quiet life.
Doxxing is not fine. So we should stop it. Calling someone "a twat" IS fine, clearly, otherwise 90% of my commentary is forbidden
As for @Heathener I agree with @NickPalmer. I used to think she was a troll, but I don't any more. If she is a Russian troll, she's not very good, she barely mentions anything-to-do-with Russia from one week to the next. She seems to be what she says she is, an opinionated Labour supporting woman with a fondness for Buddhism, she might be eccentric, but we are all eccentric - we're on here, for a start
Peace!
There is no way that Heathener is not a native English speaker so the accusations of being Russian are just puerile.
Yes one of the dumbest things here.
And brought up by the same people, it does come across like bullying.
Heathener is always incredibly polite, I still don’t know what she has done to deserve this. She uses a VPN, get over it
I have to admit I am finding it difficult to be polite when I'm accused of being a troll. It's incredibly insulting tbh.
So, yes, it does get u.nder my skin. Which I guess they know and it's why they do it. Nice people.
I disagree with you on most things, but you are quite justified in your irritation. People should stop calling you a troll given that there is vanishingly meagre evidence for it. I believe the original accusation was made by @rcs1000 because you have a suspicious IP address?
There has been no such evidence since. We should take you at face value
I agree @Heathener is not a troll and is interesting but at times loses it
A photo from May 2020 showed the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. When asked about it, Boris Johnson said “those people were at work talking about work”.
The rules: Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising. This event is not being investigated by the police.
There was no exemption for being outdoors. End of story.
What do the rules in May 2020 have to do with this campaign event in April 2021? The legal restrictions had changed several times in those 11 months.
Whether or not the May 20 event was legal because it was outdoors means nothing to whether or not the April 21 event was legal.
Right, I'm now covered on Rachel Reeves (100/1), Lisa Nandy (100/1) and Yvette Cooper (250/1). Small stakes, huge wins. But all of the 3 previous factors I mentioned need to come into play.
One thing I am certain of: the next Labour leader will be a woman and I think those are the three in the frame.
I was also convinced, until recently, that the next Labour leader would be female. However, it's just possible that, if members took the view that having the first openly gay leader gave them some bragging rights, then Streeting is in with a shout.
Getting pissed on £200 which also paid for food, £13 per person.
Starmer must be a major, major lightweight.
Do you really think he drank? Or wandered around with an open bottle of beer, man of the people style, having awkward and strained "social chit chat" with people showing how much he cared?
I think he had a beer with his curry, ate his curry and then produced a Tweet on his Twitter account at 10:13 like I showed earlier.
I just can’t imagine Starmer being a party guy. He strikes me as the kind of guy that reminds the teacher to give homework out
I half suspect Starmer drunk is almost exactly as stilted and cardboard as Starmer sober. Maybe there's a trigger point somewhere. I have a friend who is similarly wooden and mild and inoffensive who once - once - on a lads' drinking holiday unexpectedly flipped, and became loud and incredibly abusive to blameless holiday reps and waiters, before downing a last pint in under 10 seconds, vomiting expansively on the table and being escorted back to the apartment, assuring us all the while that we were his best friends and laughing raucously. He was known as Sanria Man thereafter. I wonder if there is a Sangria Man hiding somewhere inside SKS.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Voters, David, voters. You're an advocate, you're precise.
I was being precise (even in my time off) @Carnyx. I was interested in what the actual membership of the breakaway thought. Many were SNP activists for decades. Have they given up hope?
A photo from May 2020 showed the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. When asked about it, Boris Johnson said “those people were at work talking about work”.
The rules: Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising. This event is not being investigated by the police.
There was no exemption for being outdoors. End of story.
Maybe you need to make a formal complaint to the MET police as that is exactly what the independent Durham councillor who lost his mother to covid did and prompted this new investigation
A photo from May 2020 showed the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. When asked about it, Boris Johnson said “those people were at work talking about work”.
The rules: Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising. This event is not being investigated by the police.
There was no exemption for being outdoors. End of story.
What do the rules in May 2020 have to do with this campaign event in April 2021? The legal restrictions had changed several times in those 11 months.
Whether or not the May 20 event was legal because it was outdoors means nothing to whether or not the April 21 event was legal.
The point is that the PB Big Brains Tory trust are drawing equivalences.
If Starmer gets fined, they should investigate May 2020 because the rules there clearly weren't followed either.
If they don't investigate, it seems political to me, how else can it be justified?
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
. Your a Minsk troll using a VPN. .
At least if you are going to accuse me of being a troll pay attention to your grammar. It's something they teach us diligently in Moscow.
I'm beginning to think that some tories like yourself on here are not merely mendacious but incredibly incredibly thick pieces of gammon. The pertubation that use of a VPN generates is most amusing.
A VPN = trolling. Er, right ho. I don't know any youngster who streams who doesn't use a VPN and anyone with half a brain who is concerned about tracking should use one.
Geddit? No I didn't think so.
A Minsk troll who knows Woking well enough to be able to come up,with an excellent tip on the Lib Dem chances of taking the council.
Thank you. It's beyond absurd.
Even pointed tlg86 to check out the gorgeous wisteria out at the moment on the club house (Woking GC) and asked him about the two fake swans on the lake.
I mean ... really and truly ... this is beyond silly by now.
I ain't a troll. Sorry to disappoint.
No but you are a woman and that emboldens some PB posters to be more aggressive towards you. Sadly.
Doxxing is not fine. So we should stop it. Calling someone "a twat" IS fine, clearly, otherwise 90% of my commentary is forbidden
As for @Heathener I agree with @NickPalmer. I used to think she was a troll, but I don't any more. If she is a Russian troll, she's not very good, she barely mentions anything-to-do-with Russia from one week to the next. She seems to be what she says she is, an opinionated Labour supporting woman with a fondness for Buddhism, she might be eccentric, but we are all eccentric - we're on here, for a start
Peace!
There is no way that Heathener is not a native English speaker so the accusations of being Russian are just puerile.
Yes one of the dumbest things here.
And brought up by the same people, it does come across like bullying.
Heathener is always incredibly polite, I still don’t know what she has done to deserve this. She uses a VPN, get over it
I have to admit I am finding it difficult to be polite when I'm accused of being a troll. It's incredibly insulting tbh.
So, yes, it does get u.nder my skin. Which I guess they know and it's why they do it. Nice people.
I disagree with you on most things, but you are quite justified in your irritation. People should stop calling you a troll given that there is vanishingly meagre evidence for it. I believe the original accusation was made by @rcs1000 because you have a suspicious IP address?
There has been no such evidence since. We should take you at face value
I agree @Heathener is not a troll and is interesting but at times loses it
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
Point of order, when it comes to factional contests, the order of the candidates is less important than the order of the factions. If you reran 2020 just removing Starmer, Nandy would pick up a huge number of the Starmer votes and leapfrog RLB. Easily.
RLB won't stand, Reeves, Cooper or Streeting would easily defeat Nandy and pick up most Starmer votes, Burnham would pick up more northern votes if and when he returns to the Commons.
For a Tory councillor, you have an astonishing insight into the minds of Labour members - impressive. But you're wrong on Nandy, who is both capable and popular within the party.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
Right, I'm now covered on Rachel Reeves (100/1), Lisa Nandy (100/1) and Yvette Cooper (250/1). Small stakes, huge wins. But all of the 3 previous factors I mentioned need to come into play.
One thing I am certain of: the next Labour leader will be a woman and I think those are the three in the frame.
Good luck but remember to count your losers as well as your winners. Combining the odds, it is around 40/1 that one of those three will win, which is still enough to pay for a bottle of lager with your lockdown Indian takeaway.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
. Your a Minsk troll using a VPN. .
At least if you are going to accuse me of being a troll pay attention to your grammar. It's something they teach us diligently in Moscow.
I'm beginning to think that some tories like yourself on here are not merely mendacious but incredibly incredibly thick pieces of gammon. The pertubation that use of a VPN generates is most amusing.
A VPN = trolling. Er, right ho. I don't know any youngster who streams who doesn't use a VPN and anyone with half a brain who is concerned about tracking should use one.
Geddit? No I didn't think so.
A Minsk troll who knows Woking well enough to be able to come up,with an excellent tip on the Lib Dem chances of taking the council.
Thank you. It's beyond absurd.
Even pointed tlg86 to check out the gorgeous wisteria out at the moment on the club house (Woking GC) and asked him about the two fake swans on the lake.
I mean ... really and truly ... this is beyond silly by now.
I ain't a troll. Sorry to disappoint.
No but you are a woman and that emboldens some PB posters to be more aggressive towards you. Sadly.
It is despicable.
The posters in question should apologise and the user in question who won't condemn it because they agree with the political views of those doing it, should gladly go and sit in a hole
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Voters, David, voters. You're an advocate, you're precise.
I was being precise (even in my time off) @Carnyx. I was interested in what the actual membership of the breakaway thought. Many were SNP activists for decades. Have they given up hope?
It did read a bit as if you were talking about the voting figures. But yes, that is an equally important issue. I think Alba would need different leadership for a start.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
I think they're doomed. And the election results are not much to do with the membership, but more the voters. Most voters aren't members, and the voters took one look at Alba and went "nah mate". It's over for Salmond. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
That was very much my view but @malcolmg has been a strong supporter and I wondered if he could give us any insight from the inside. Guilty or not guilty the hatchet job done on Salmond has worked a treat for Nicola.
David, Yes it is amazing what she has managed to get away with. The SNP at present are worse than the Tories in London. As per my other post I am surprised Salmond did not just put out the full story, though likely to be because he really does want independence and so hopes once she is toppled something real will be done on that topic. @DavidL@Farooq
A photo from May 2020 showed the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. When asked about it, Boris Johnson said “those people were at work talking about work”.
The rules: Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising. This event is not being investigated by the police.
There was no exemption for being outdoors. End of story.
What do the rules in May 2020 have to do with this campaign event in April 2021? The legal restrictions had changed several times in those 11 months.
Whether or not the May 20 event was legal because it was outdoors means nothing to whether or not the April 21 event was legal.
The point is that the PB Big Brains Tory trust are drawing equivalences.
If Starmer gets fined, they should investigate May 2020 because the rules there clearly weren't followed either.
If they don't investigate, it seems political to me, how else can it be justified?
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
That is indeed in part their USP[edit], ie Alba's - pro indy but more conservative than the current incarnation of the SNP.
A photo from May 2020 showed the prime minister and his staff with bottles of wine and a cheeseboard in the Downing Street garden. When asked about it, Boris Johnson said “those people were at work talking about work”.
The rules: Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising. This event is not being investigated by the police.
There was no exemption for being outdoors. End of story.
What do the rules in May 2020 have to do with this campaign event in April 2021? The legal restrictions had changed several times in those 11 months.
Whether or not the May 20 event was legal because it was outdoors means nothing to whether or not the April 21 event was legal.
The point is that the PB Big Brains Tory trust are drawing equivalences.
If Starmer gets fined, they should investigate May 2020 because the rules there clearly weren't followed either.
If they don't investigate, it seems political to me, how else can it be justified?
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
I think they're doomed. And the election results are not much to do with the membership, but more the voters. Most voters aren't members, and the voters took one look at Alba and went "nah mate". It's over for Salmond. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
That was very much my view but @malcolmg has been a strong supporter and I wondered if he could give us any insight from the inside. Guilty or not guilty the hatchet job done on Salmond has worked a treat for Nicola.
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
If only she ran the country with a tenth of the skill she has for party management. But alas!
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
We all take your perspective on Woke under advisement.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
That is indeed in part their USP - pro indy but more conservative than the current incarnation of the SNP.
Yes, Salmond correctly identified a serious problem for the indy cause: it is at present only espoused by left wing Woke parties (or very left wing Woke parties). There must be a lot of centre-right or right wing Nats who only reluctantly offer support to Sturgeon, and things like the Trans debate are close to putting them off completely
The problem for Alba was Salmond himself. They should have found a better, untainted leader, with him in the background to add "oomph". He's good at adding "oomph". Too late now
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
I think they're doomed. And the election results are not much to do with the membership, but more the voters. Most voters aren't members, and the voters took one look at Alba and went "nah mate". It's over for Salmond. Not with a bang but with a whimper.
That was very much my view but @malcolmg has been a strong supporter and I wondered if he could give us any insight from the inside. Guilty or not guilty the hatchet job done on Salmond has worked a treat for Nicola.
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
I think she has strong backing from London, we see lots of rubbish in print but I think she has an understanding that the boat only gets rocked so much. Can be no other reason why she has failed to do anything for so many years. Power crazy and is looking for a big job. Would be interesting to see what her superinjuctions are about as well and seems Swinney may also a naughty boy. They have managed to get rid of any thinking people and surrounded themselves with a bunch of grasping wasters. They will run out of cash though and unlike the other regional parties do not have London to bail them out.
Labour performance, in terms of numbers of councillors:
Welsh Labour +14.3% Scottish Labour +7.6% English Labour +1.3%
I think it is fair to conclude that Drakeford is Labour’s best leader, and Starmer is a dud.
Up 1.3% against an horrifically poor Tory government, mid-term, is just eye-wateringly pathetic.
Statistically nonsense. It's easier to get larger percentage increases among smaller populations, and a lot more people voted in London than in Wales, let alone England as a whole.
Absolute guff. If anything, Drakeford had the hardest job. He’s in office, was working from a high base, and it is always super tempting to kick the incumbent in low-importance mid-terms.
It's very basic law of large numbers. Plus your chosen metric suffers from base effects. Your chosen metric is basically complete nonsense. It has zero useful information.
Don’t tell Anas Sarwar. He’s been hailed a genius on the back of those numbers.
This has been confirmed by the Times, please stop repeating the Mail lies.
Starmer himself has said there were 30 attending
And there could have been 60 attending for all that it makes a difference. The event was either legal or it was illegal. How many people attended or whether Rayner attended or if the party had created an agenda for the event or how much was spent on curry and did that include poppadoms is irrelevant.
Legal. Or illegal. That's all it is. We know the Tory events were illegal because fines have been issued and the spin machine is already making excuses for the fines to come ("yes Boris was at the party in the flat but he was conducting a job interview"). We don't yet know if the Starmer campaign event was illegal. We know much if the evidence actually makes the case for Starmer because the Tory clicktivists and hacks don't understand the law. But it's all down to the police and if they issue a fine Starmer has to go
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
We all take your perspective on Woke u Der advisement.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
But both indy parties are social democratic leftwing parties
What about economic and cultural conservatives who also like indy? What should they do? Grin and bear it forever?
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
You have to be kidding , they are neither nationalist or green. Their leaders are odious creeps and them being useful idiots for Sturgeon does not incline me to ever consider voting for them. Only two hopes are that Sturgeon gets found out or labour come to their senses and stop being London lickspittles.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
Perhaps Alba are trying to carve out a space that is too sparsely populated in voterdom. I really do think strong woke/antiwoke positions are generally confined to the politically highly active classes, and are fuelled by partisanship. I suspect most people are left fairly cold by the debate either way. It's a bubble thing.
No evidence for this, happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
I'd be interested to see what a change of leadership does.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
We all take your perspective on Woke u Der advisement.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
But both indy parties are social democratic leftwing parties
What about economic and cultural conservatives who also like indy? What should they do? Grin and bear it forever?
It is a problem for the cause
What is conservative about breaking up the union? There are no right wing nat parties because it's not a right wing position.
Then again, with right wing conservatives now arguing for the merits of trade barriers and costly red tape anything is possible...
@PBModerator I would like you to pass judgment, I think the responses to @Heathener have turned into out and out bullying and targeting.
Too far , you should butt out and let the poster sort out their own battles. You are not the god of bullying or doxxing decisions. You have done worse yourself.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
We all take your perspective on Woke u Der advisement.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
But both indy parties are social democratic leftwing parties
What about economic and cultural conservatives who also like indy? What should they do? Grin and bear it forever?
It is a problem for the cause
What is conservative about breaking up the union? There are no right wing nat parties because it's not a right wing position.
Then again, with right wing conservatives now arguing for the merits of trade barriers and costly red tape anything is possible...
@PBModerator I would like you to pass judgment, I think the responses to @Heathener have turned into out and out bullying and targeting.
Too far , you should butt out and let the poster sort out their own battles. You are not the god of bullying or doxxing decisions. You have done worse yourself.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
Perhaps Alba are trying to carve out a space that is too sparsely populated in voterdom. I really do think strong woke/antiwoke positions are generally confined to the politically highly active classes, and are fuelled by partisanship. I suspect most people are left fairly cold by the debate either way. It's a bubble thing.
No evidence for this, happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
I'd be interested to see what a change of leadership does.
Given it will be Macbeth , I doubt it will make a big difference.
Coming very late to this discussion due to work so probably everything has already been said. But I do hope TSE is right and Starmer does do he right thing and stand down if he is fined. I have no particular like or dislike for Starmer and think it would maybe be a bit of a shame if he were to go but it would be the right thing to do and, to my mind, would hopefully precipitate the end of Johnson. That seems to be very much a sacrifice worth Starmer making for the sake of the country.
Of course I presume this would also mean Angela Rayner going but again I am not really fussed one way or another about that. Undermining Johnson's ridiculous position seems to me to be the great prize in this game.
Given Lisa Nandy warned Starmer to move off Partygate she must be spitting blood at getting sent out to defend the indefensible this morning.
I do feel the Cost of Living Crisis is going to be the only game in Town going forward. Whichever Party can mitigate that best in the voters views will do very well.
Agreed. I learnt two things from Susanna Reid's interview with Johnson last week. Eroding benefits through inflation is actual government policy. Tipping many people struggling to get by into outright poverty.
Secondly, Johnson has given no real thought to Cost of Living, the biggest issue facing the country right now. If he had he would go into the interview with a list of things his government are doing to mitigate the crisis. He had nothing to say on the topic.
Surely everyone has a few pals like Zac they can lean on for cash when things are a bit tough?
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
Point of order, when it comes to factional contests, the order of the candidates is less important than the order of the factions. If you reran 2020 just removing Starmer, Nandy would pick up a huge number of the Starmer votes and leapfrog RLB. Easily.
RLB won't stand, Reeves, Cooper or Streeting would easily defeat Nandy and pick up most Starmer votes, Burnham would pick up more northern votes if and when he returns to the Commons.
For a Tory councillor, you have an astonishing insight into the minds of Labour members - impressive. But you're wrong on Nandy, who is both capable and popular within the party.
He understands the way politics works and calls it pretty straight.
I think he's wrong about Nandy though, but we shall see....or not, as the (police) case may be.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
We all take your perspective on Woke u Der advisement.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
But both indy parties are social democratic leftwing parties
What about economic and cultural conservatives who also like indy? What should they do? Grin and bear it forever?
Not sure I would even call the Greens lefties - and note that Slab are a lot more right wing than Labour in the UK. Which confuses things ... however, if SLD ever regained their Home Rule roots, they could do very well with the pro-indy types. Labour, not so much, unless the go full pro indy, and theyt won't cos their MSPs want nice MPships, peerages and directorships in the traditional cursus honorum of Slab.
This has been confirmed by the Times, please stop repeating the Mail lies.
Starmer himself has said there were 30 attending
And there could have been 60 attending for all that it makes a difference. The event was either legal or it was illegal. How many people attended or whether Rayner attended or if the party had created an agenda for the event or how much was spent on curry and did that include poppadoms is irrelevant.
Legal. Or illegal. That's all it is. We know the Tory events were illegal because fines have been issued and the spin machine is already making excuses for the fines to come ("yes Boris was at the party in the flat but he was conducting a job interview"). We don't yet know if the Starmer campaign event was illegal. We know much if the evidence actually makes the case for Starmer because the Tory clicktivists and hacks don't understand the law. But it's all down to the police and if they issue a fine Starmer has to go
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
NS is a political colossus, no doubt, but her success is built on the foundation of conspicuously wanting, but not actually doing much to get, independence. While that approach has been electorally successful for a very long time it must run out of steam at some point.
It's one of the reasons I think Johnson would be happy to offer an indyref to the SNP as the price of confidence and support. He knows NS doesn't really want one and he'd believe, with some justification, that he could win it anyway.
The other reason he might do it is that he doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. That country being a minor subset of the many things that aren't Boris Johnson that he doesn't give a fuck about.
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
Point of order, when it comes to factional contests, the order of the candidates is less important than the order of the factions. If you reran 2020 just removing Starmer, Nandy would pick up a huge number of the Starmer votes and leapfrog RLB. Easily.
RLB won't stand, Reeves, Cooper or Streeting would easily defeat Nandy and pick up most Starmer votes, Burnham would pick up more northern votes if and when he returns to the Commons.
For a Tory councillor, you have an astonishing insight into the minds of Labour members - impressive. But you're wrong on Nandy, who is both capable and popular within the party.
He understands the way politics works and calls it pretty straight.
I think he's wrong about Nandy though, but we shall see....or not, as the (police) case may be.
He does. His position is usually immoral and massively hypocritical but that is standard operating procedure for his party.
Coming very late to this discussion due to work so probably everything has already been said. But I do hope TSE is right and Starmer does do he right thing and stand down if he is fined. I have no particular like or dislike for Starmer and think it would maybe be a bit of a shame if he were to go but it would be the right thing to do and, to my mind, would hopefully precipitate the end of Johnson. That seems to be very much a sacrifice worth Starmer making for the sake of the country.
Of course I presume this would also mean Angela Rayner going but again I am not really fussed one way or another about that. Undermining Johnson's ridiculous position seems to me to be the great prize in this game.
Not sure this would work out as intended. Can see Starmer resigning, Boris staying and that actually re-enforcing the Boris brand of being a winner, invincible and someone above normal politics. Plenty of votes from those characteristics, even if it costs him other votes on the other side (shameless, lying, selfish, one rule for him etc).
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
You have to be kidding , they are neither nationalist or green. Their leaders are odious creeps and them being useful idiots for Sturgeon does not incline me to ever consider voting for them. Only two hopes are that Sturgeon gets found out or labour come to their senses and stop being London lickspittles.
I have a lot of time for Andy Wightman - he really got up the nose of Tory landowners and Labour apparatchiks alike with his examination of land ownership, never mind dodgy firms, and got sued for it. It was a disgrace that the Greens forced him out.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
As you say Leon absolutely and utterly not woke , so political wilderness for me at present. I did not even vote for the first time in my life, had no Alba choice.
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
NS is a political colossus, no doubt, but her success is built on the foundation of conspicuously wanting, but not actually doing much to get, independence. While that approach has been electorally successful for a very long time it must run out of steam at some point.
It's one of the reasons I think Johnson would be happy to offer an indyref to the SNP as the price of confidence and support. He knows NS doesn't really want one and he'd believe, with some justification, that he could win it anyway.
The other reason he might do it is that he doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. That country being a minor subset of the many things that aren't Boris Johnson that he doesn't give a fuck about.
I think complaining about the Union but doing little to leave it is in line with the wishes of the majority of Scottish voters.
Coming very late to this discussion due to work so probably everything has already been said. But I do hope TSE is right and Starmer does do he right thing and stand down if he is fined. I have no particular like or dislike for Starmer and think it would maybe be a bit of a shame if he were to go but it would be the right thing to do and, to my mind, would hopefully precipitate the end of Johnson. That seems to be very much a sacrifice worth Starmer making for the sake of the country.
Of course I presume this would also mean Angela Rayner going but again I am not really fussed one way or another about that. Undermining Johnson's ridiculous position seems to me to be the great prize in this game.
Not sure this would work out as intended. Can see Starmer resigning, Boris staying and that actually re-enforcing the Boris brand of being a winner, invincible and someone above normal politics. Plenty of votes from those characteristics, even if it costs him other votes on the other side (shameless, lying, selfish, one rule for him etc).
If I were Starmer, I wouldn't budge till Mr J resigned, and a new leader had taken over, precisely for that reason. And there is lots more to come re No 10.
Would Starmer defending his potential fine in court instead of resigning be plausible? Guess the problem is it might take many many months (years?) to get to court?
@PBModerator I would like you to pass judgment, I think the responses to @Heathener have turned into out and out bullying and targeting.
Too far , you should butt out and let the poster sort out their own battles. You are not the god of bullying or doxxing decisions. You have done worse yourself.
I apologised. The users in question never have.
Just let people fight their own battles, not worth getting involved.
Would Starmer defending his potential fine in court instead of resigning be plausible? Guess the problem is it might take many many months (years?) to get to court?
The Tories own the Home Office and would lean on the CPS toi speed up.
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
NS is a political colossus, no doubt, but her success is built on the foundation of conspicuously wanting, but not actually doing much to get, independence. While that approach has been electorally successful for a very long time it must run out of steam at some point.
It's one of the reasons I think Johnson would be happy to offer an indyref to the SNP as the price of confidence and support. He knows NS doesn't really want one and he'd believe, with some justification, that he could win it anyway.
The other reason he might do it is that he doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. That country being a minor subset of the many things that aren't Boris Johnson that he doesn't give a fuck about.
She will never test it till she has a bigger global role of some sort and for that she needs London to approve her getting one. She will never rock the boat.
Doxxing is not fine. So we should stop it. Calling someone "a twat" IS fine, clearly, otherwise 90% of my commentary is forbidden
As for @Heathener I agree with @NickPalmer. I used to think she was a troll, but I don't any more. If she is a Russian troll, she's not very good, she barely mentions anything-to-do-with Russia from one week to the next. She seems to be what she says she is, an opinionated Labour supporting woman with a fondness for Buddhism, she might be eccentric, but we are all eccentric - we're on here, for a start
Peace!
Technical question, if someone has used a series of made up usernames previously, can referring to them truly be said to be doxxing? Not that I’m suggesting that you’re an expert or anything.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
We all take your perspective on Woke u Der advisement.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
But both indy parties are social democratic leftwing parties
What about economic and cultural conservatives who also like indy? What should they do? Grin and bear it forever?
It is a problem for the cause
What is conservative about breaking up the union? There are no right wing nat parties because it's not a right wing position.
Then again, with right wing conservatives now arguing for the merits of trade barriers and costly red tape anything is possible...
What a cringingly stupid remark
I think he's got a point. A conservative position is to persist and preserve things that are not obviously broken. The state of the union is an interesting one because there are arguments both ways but living in Scotland I can tell you that, despite your view of the house colours in Wick, it's not all dreary and horrible. It works, to some extent. So a natural conservative position is, don't overthrow this, it's working. So what is the conservative argument for independence? I can come up with a couple of weakish ones, but they're not altogether convincing.
Also a strong correlation of natural Tory voting and cringing grovelling to royalty and 1960s Commando comic Brexiter patriotism in the elderly.
And what about the wine party the Met said was "necessary for work" despite Carrie and baby being there. The Met said no fine and no investigation, will they now re-open it?
Strange how the PB Tories are oddly quiet on this?
Was Johnson's pub visit to Hartlepool the following week within the letter of the law?
I am surprised, no shocked, that BigG. is not demanding an investigation.
Still think Cooper coronation is the likeliest outcome if Starmer resigned. I don't think PLP really fancies a lengthy leadership contest which will involve considerable navel gazing and will distract the party for months. Then there's fact it might take a while for an inexperienced new leader to adapt to the role. So, I suspect the PLP will rally round a candidate who has a considerable experience in front bench roles and who'd be able to take Boris on from the off. With Burnham not being an MP, then only Yvette really fits that profile. The Socialist Campaign Group would try and fail to get a candidate on the ballot. The PLP surely aren't going to be stupid enough to lend nominations to 'broaden the debate' this time. Yvette Cooper as next PM looks a value bet, for me.
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
Point of order, when it comes to factional contests, the order of the candidates is less important than the order of the factions. If you reran 2020 just removing Starmer, Nandy would pick up a huge number of the Starmer votes and leapfrog RLB. Easily.
RLB won't stand, Reeves, Cooper or Streeting would easily defeat Nandy and pick up most Starmer votes, Burnham would pick up more northern votes if and when he returns to the Commons.
For a Tory councillor, you have an astonishing insight into the minds of Labour members - impressive. But you're wrong on Nandy, who is both capable and popular within the party.
He understands the way politics works and calls it pretty straight.
I think he's wrong about Nandy though, but we shall see....or not, as the (police) case may be.
I'm not disputing his wisdom, I just have a different take. I don't think Burnham or Cooper will succeed Starmer - after all, they couldn't even beat Corbyn back in 2015 or whenever it was. Nandy has as good a chance as any of the remaining contenders.
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
NS is a political colossus, no doubt, but her success is built on the foundation of conspicuously wanting, but not actually doing much to get, independence. While that approach has been electorally successful for a very long time it must run out of steam at some point.
It's one of the reasons I think Johnson would be happy to offer an indyref to the SNP as the price of confidence and support. He knows NS doesn't really want one and he'd believe, with some justification, that he could win it anyway.
The other reason he might do it is that he doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. That country being a minor subset of the many things that aren't Boris Johnson that he doesn't give a fuck about.
We would go into opposition rather than do any deals with the SNP. I would not accept any Tory leader allowing an indyref2 for a generation as Boris had also made clear he won't.
There is also no way the SNP would tolerate any deals with the Tories and it would not even be a consideration unless the Conservatives were largest party which on current polling they clearly are not
Sunday Times claims Boris Johnson personally "despises" his opposite number. An ally says: "He genuinely does not like Keir. He sees this man as part of a privileged, metropolitan, narrow-minded elite uncomfortable with the raw instincts of the vast majority of British people."
Coming very late to this discussion due to work so probably everything has already been said. But I do hope TSE is right and Starmer does do he right thing and stand down if he is fined. I have no particular like or dislike for Starmer and think it would maybe be a bit of a shame if he were to go but it would be the right thing to do and, to my mind, would hopefully precipitate the end of Johnson. That seems to be very much a sacrifice worth Starmer making for the sake of the country.
Of course I presume this would also mean Angela Rayner going but again I am not really fussed one way or another about that. Undermining Johnson's ridiculous position seems to me to be the great prize in this game.
I very much doubt Johnson will resign in any case. The interesting question to me is whether Starmer going in the case of getting a FPN (which I think is more likely not to happen but Durham Police will make the call on that ) - will that weaken the Labour Party because Starmer is actually not bad or because of the turmoil? Or would Labour be strengthened by getting a different leader, presumably to the detriment of the Tories.
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
NS is a political colossus, no doubt, but her success is built on the foundation of conspicuously wanting, but not actually doing much to get, independence. While that approach has been electorally successful for a very long time it must run out of steam at some point.
It's one of the reasons I think Johnson would be happy to offer an indyref to the SNP as the price of confidence and support. He knows NS doesn't really want one and he'd believe, with some justification, that he could win it anyway.
The other reason he might do it is that he doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. That country being a minor subset of the many things that aren't Boris Johnson that he doesn't give a fuck about.
We would go into opposition rather than do any deals with the SNP. I would not accept any Tory leader allowing an indyref2 for a generation as Boris had also made clear he won't.
There is also no way the SNP would tolerate any deals with the Tories and it would not even be a consideration unless the Conservatives were largest party which on current polling they clearly are not
HYUFD is back on his usual form and I have my HYUFD Indy Bingo card half filled in already!
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
Point of order, when it comes to factional contests, the order of the candidates is less important than the order of the factions. If you reran 2020 just removing Starmer, Nandy would pick up a huge number of the Starmer votes and leapfrog RLB. Easily.
RLB won't stand, Reeves, Cooper or Streeting would easily defeat Nandy and pick up most Starmer votes, Burnham would pick up more northern votes if and when he returns to the Commons.
For a Tory councillor, you have an astonishing insight into the minds of Labour members - impressive. But you're wrong on Nandy, who is both capable and popular within the party.
She only got 16% in 2020 from Labour members, she is too Brexity for the current Labour membership as Hunt is too Remain for the current Tory membership
Doxxing is not fine. So we should stop it. Calling someone "a twat" IS fine, clearly, otherwise 90% of my commentary is forbidden
As for @Heathener I agree with @NickPalmer. I used to think she was a troll, but I don't any more. If she is a Russian troll, she's not very good, she barely mentions anything-to-do-with Russia from one week to the next. She seems to be what she says she is, an opinionated Labour supporting woman with a fondness for Buddhism, she might be eccentric, but we are all eccentric - we're on here, for a start
Peace!
Technical question, if someone has used a series of made up usernames previously, can referring to them truly be said to be doxxing? Not that I’m suggesting that you’re an expert or anything.
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Doxxing is not fine. So we should stop it. Calling someone "a twat" IS fine, clearly, otherwise 90% of my commentary is forbidden
As for @Heathener I agree with @NickPalmer. I used to think she was a troll, but I don't any more. If she is a Russian troll, she's not very good, she barely mentions anything-to-do-with Russia from one week to the next. She seems to be what she says she is, an opinionated Labour supporting woman with a fondness for Buddhism, she might be eccentric, but we are all eccentric - we're on here, for a start
Peace!
Technical question, if someone has used a series of made up usernames previously, can referring to them truly be said to be doxxing? Not that I’m suggesting that you’re an expert or anything.
Normally, no. But if one of the the previous usernames points to a meatspace identity, then yes.
On topic, IF Starmer goes and Rayner is in the same boat/curry club, then (since apparently being a woman is the only criteria) the options surely are:
Reeves Cooper Nandy
That order is my preference, though I suspect Nandy would win as she's norvern, innit?
Nandy wouldn't win, she is a complete lightweight and she didn't do that well in 2020 either, even Long Bailey beat her with Labour members let alone Starmer.
I would add Streeting to Reeves and Cooper though I think Boris and Starmer stay until the next general election
Point of order, when it comes to factional contests, the order of the candidates is less important than the order of the factions. If you reran 2020 just removing Starmer, Nandy would pick up a huge number of the Starmer votes and leapfrog RLB. Easily.
RLB won't stand, Reeves, Cooper or Streeting would easily defeat Nandy and pick up most Starmer votes, Burnham would pick up more northern votes if and when he returns to the Commons.
For a Tory councillor, you have an astonishing insight into the minds of Labour members - impressive. But you're wrong on Nandy, who is both capable and popular within the party.
She only got 16% in 2020 from Labour members, she is too Brexity for the current Labour membership as Hunt is too Remain for the current Tory membership
Hi HYUFD hope you are staying well.
It's not Brexit for Nandy, it's that she has no ideas and isn't a good public speaker. I actually think she'd be worse than Starmer.
. A Starmer FPN and he goes. Replace with Andy Burnham
Under NO circumstances:
He failed massively to win last time. Why? Because he is no bloody good.
He's not even an MP. Duh.
He will put off all the new Labour voters down sarf. And we still need them.
He has a penis.
So in the words of Maggie, 'No. No. No.'
What the fuck difference does it make that "he has a penis"? Are you high?
Says a man. And a tory man at that.
It makes 'the fuck difference' because Labour MUST choose a woman as next leader.
End of.
And I'm a Labour supporter. You're not. So piss off.
xx
Given that your party can't define what a woman is it's all a bit academic isn't it?
Non sequitur.
We need our next leader to be a woman. Whether that's someone who is a trans woman is another issue but I doubt the red wall thickos like Fucker Faroq would cope with it.
Next Labour leader must be a woman. End of.
Must be hard to keep track of your lines to take today, Vlad.
Yeah right Phillip Thompson.
See? Two can play the game.
The next Labour leader must and will be a woman. Sorry that this is causing such confusion for the right wing gammons.
Have a nice day folks.
Off out to walk around Hook Heath. I guess I could meet up with tlg86 some time and then that really will make you 'you're a troll' tories look even more stupid and dumbass than you already are (if that's poss.)
@PBModerator has said it's against the rules to doxx people.
Hoist with your own petard situation I'd have thought if you want to call vlad
Only if he genuinely is Vlad though.
One is a joke, a turn of phrase, the other is doxxing with full name.
Oh how we laughed and why should they be a "he"
Malcolm, do you think Alba still have a future after these elections? Not a single councillor in the whole of Scotland and some truly embarrassing figures in individual constituencies. It seems as if the SNP have drilled loyalty into their membership too well for a break off to thrive.
Looks a forlorn hope David. Looks like it will need to be Labour that cleanse the SNP ( the sheeple seem to forgive every useless policy , disaster , etc). If only they had a backbone and some independent thinking rather than just London clones. At some point someone with brains will get them out of just being patsies taking orders. They need to swing at least some way to independence , full fiscal autonomy or they will get nowhere. SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
Surely if you are a nationalist and dislike Sturgeon you already have a successful party to vote for - the Scottish Greens. I'm not a nat but recognise the clear electoral mandate last year for a 2nd referendum. Dodgy Alex and his cult weren't needed to deliver that, so why care that they have largely died out?
The Scottish Greens are ridiculously Woke, especially on things like Trans - they are even Wokier than the SNP (which is going some)
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
We all take your perspective on Woke u Der advisement.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
But both indy parties are social democratic leftwing parties
What about economic and cultural conservatives who also like indy? What should they do? Grin and bear it forever?
It is a problem for the cause
What is conservative about breaking up the union? There are no right wing nat parties because it's not a right wing position.
Then again, with right wing conservatives now arguing for the merits of trade barriers and costly red tape anything is possible...
What a cringingly stupid remark
I think he's got a point. A conservative position is to persist and preserve things that are not obviously broken. The state of the union is an interesting one because there are arguments both ways but living in Scotland I can tell you that, despite your view of the house colours in Wick, it's not all dreary and horrible. It works, to some extent. So a natural conservative position is, don't overthrow this, it's working. So what is the conservative argument for independence? I can come up with a couple of weakish ones, but they're not altogether convincing.
Well I suppose if you were very conservative you could make the case that the Union as a whole had always been a mistake, and so opposing the Act of Union as a radical innovation.
But it's a mistake to identify the right-wing as always being small 'c' conservatives. The Right can be very radical when they want to. And in general the Right tend to make the argument of drawing a tighter circle of empathy and leaving more people on the outside, so it goes quite naturally with nationalism. I find it very easy to see the right-wing case for Scottish independence.
It's the left-wing argument for Scottish independence that I find hard to understand. What part of "Workers of the World Unite" involves creating a new border on the island of Britain?
If Scots and English can't cooperate then what chance for cooperating across greater cultural differences?
Yeah, I'd like to hear Malky's view on it too. It never ceases to strike me how effective Sturgeon is. I've said in the past that I admire her. A measure of her success is the way the Conservatives were over the moon with the 2017 results and now in 2022 Labour also very pleased at wresting 2nd place back off them. When your opponents are pleased with second, it says a lot.
Salmond is just the latest in a long line of politicians who've tried to take her down and ended up in a crumpled heap instead. Whether you like her or not, her electoral record is astonishing.
EDIT Too slow, Malky's thoughts now apparent.
NS is a political colossus, no doubt, but her success is built on the foundation of conspicuously wanting, but not actually doing much to get, independence. While that approach has been electorally successful for a very long time it must run out of steam at some point.
It's one of the reasons I think Johnson would be happy to offer an indyref to the SNP as the price of confidence and support. He knows NS doesn't really want one and he'd believe, with some justification, that he could win it anyway.
The other reason he might do it is that he doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. That country being a minor subset of the many things that aren't Boris Johnson that he doesn't give a fuck about.
I hear it so much it makes me doubt myself, but I'm still quite convinced that this is a mistaken view. I detect a real eagerness for a vote from the SNP leadership, but they've put the lid on it because of Covid. Now the locals are out of the way, we'll see whether I'm right or wrong. I expect a big move before the summer is out. If we get to September and it's all tumbleweed, you're right and I'm wrong.
EDIT: rethinking slightly, by the end of the conference, when is that, October?
they have cancelled all conferences nowadays, they don't allow members a say, all run by the woke self id politbureau
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So, yes, it does get under my skin. Which I guess they know and it's why they do it. Nice people.
I hate complacency in politics no matter which side is dumb enough to go there (and this blog recently it’s normally the Labour supporters ignoring how hard it could be on GE night to remove Boris majority and retake the red wall).
But you have hit nail on the head Stodge. big take out from real votes last week The sheer extent the blue wall melted is not anything I have seen in my lifetime and likely historic and significant. " we don't care about anyone who isn't a Leave-voting suburban or rural Conservative" Is such a great call by you Stodge because it is a dumb ass business model to be on the side that is shrinking and losing.
Let’s all agree something, especially the Brexit supporters, the get Brexit done supporters. Brexit is alive and well in deciding who to vote for. It’s not gone away, it’s not done out microwave and eaten washed up put away what’s on Netflix, when voters to this degree are telling you it isn’t. And they definitely are. Leave remain was so alive in these English Locals 2022 so as to be a wet fish slapping your face, you have zero credibility to ignore it.
From my posts on the night, I completely changed my view by Friday afternoon on how dreadful locals for Labour And crumbs of comfort for Boris I first thought I was witnessing. personally I am convinced these all over the road results hide enough of a sea change. If red wall was so terrible for Labour why did the Tories in most red wall, like Sunderland look so glum and call Boris to go, whilst Labour were chairing themselves around the room. Both sides definitely got something different on the doorsteps and in votes than they have had for a while.
It’s a question of how long does it take to unwind a landslide Brexit majority while Brexit becomes less popular and those nailed to it sink into caca. History, as a Mike header more than once told us, is rare sweeping away Landslide majortitties in one go.
We obsess about the next election, where Tories may actually still be in with a chance if unwind in Leaveastan is slow. I propose, if Brexit voting doesn’t go away, perhaps it could be elections after that will be Tories real problem? Will their brexit problems at ballot box start to become lethal after winning next election? For how long will they be hated in Remainia for Brexit? Will they lose even more leave voters over time too? Being the Party of Brexit, Is it a case of scrape in next time, then out for two decades? Three decades? For ever and ever?
Secondly, Johnson has given no real thought to Cost of Living, the biggest issue facing the country right now. If he had he would go into the interview with a list of things his government are doing to mitigate the crisis. He had nothing to say on the topic.
Why would you vote for them knowing you are splitting the nationalist cause and likely letting in a unionist? If they stood for something that the others had missed then fine. They don't - it's a personality cult.
Had the trot left scabbed off to found the Peace and Justice Party with Jezbollah we would likely have seen similar. As with The Independent Group for Flouncing, parties need to stand for something other than "MeMeMeMeMeMe"
The reason this doesn’t end the drug trade is that the drug trade works on percentages. Enough labs survive, that enough drugs are exported to keep things going. At each stage on the way to the user, some are lost/captured/stolen. But enough gets through.
Trump is, of course, a moron.
SNP are useless till Sturgeon and her clique of crooks, rogues and self ider's are history. She must fall soon , no-one can keep all that manure hidden forever. Meanwhile Scotland burns, gets ever more like a basket case that deserves to be just a colony.
In the last few years they've veered between one universe doomed to heat death to multiple universes and we're just one to an anti-universe running backwards in time. As for Dark Matter that seems about as legitimate a theory as the Doctrine of Purgatory, something invented to fill a very awkward gap (what happens to slightly sinful people?)
Entertaining, but bonkers
That is not what the case is about, there was an exemption on campaigning and that is what Starmer is arguing.
There was no such exception in MAY 2020 (a year before Starmer). The Met chose not to investigate, not because it was outdoors.
Doesn't stop the PB Tories/Daily Mail fandom saying so over and over. They're the ones who have been shilling this for weeks.
No comment on Cummings, I wonder why
She didn’t seem that hungry for the job last time she ran
There has been no such evidence since. We should take you at face value
Quite simply both big parties can no longer maintain their voter base coalitions. Tories can't keep both the red wall and the sarf. Labour can't win the red wall and keep the cities.
I hope the ensuing chaos will let all sides move towards a voting system that lets people get who they want and provokes coalitions and thus sensible politics.
As usual one user takes their side because they agree with their political views, PB Moderator V2 you could call them, well if only they actually were a moderator.
Your link for that observation ?
The rules:
Legal restrictions at the time said you could not leave your house without a reasonable excuse and government guidance was that you could meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor setting while exercising.
This event is not being investigated by the police.
There was no exemption for being outdoors. End of story.
These people are cowards and bullies - I am really disappointed PB Moderator has not stepped in.
Whether or not the May 20 event was legal because it was outdoors means nothing to whether or not the April 21 event was legal.
Maybe there's a trigger point somewhere. I have a friend who is similarly wooden and mild and inoffensive who once - once - on a lads' drinking holiday unexpectedly flipped, and became loud and incredibly abusive to blameless holiday reps and waiters, before downing a last pint in under 10 seconds, vomiting expansively on the table and being escorted back to the apartment, assuring us all the while that we were his best friends and laughing raucously. He was known as Sanria Man thereafter. I wonder if there is a Sangria Man hiding somewhere inside SKS.
If Starmer gets fined, they should investigate May 2020 because the rules there clearly weren't followed either.
If they don't investigate, it seems political to me, how else can it be justified?
I don't think @malcolmg is particularly Woke, so I see his dilemma. Alba promised to be the non-Woke Nats, but they've now evanesced
The posters in question should apologise and the user in question who won't condemn it because they agree with the political views of those doing it, should gladly go and sit in a hole
Just because the PB Tories are still lying.
IT WAS 15 people.
This has been confirmed by the Times, please stop repeating the Mail lies.
In the real world there are two established nationalist parties and there wasn't room for a third.
The problem for Alba was Salmond himself. They should have found a better, untainted leader, with him in the background to add "oomph". He's good at adding "oomph". Too late now
They have managed to get rid of any thinking people and surrounded themselves with a bunch of grasping wasters. They will run out of cash though and unlike the other regional parties do not have London to bail them out.
Legal. Or illegal. That's all it is. We know the Tory events were illegal because fines have been issued and the spin machine is already making excuses for the fines to come ("yes Boris was at the party in the flat but he was conducting a job interview"). We don't yet know if the Starmer campaign event was illegal. We know much if the evidence actually makes the case for Starmer because the Tory clicktivists and hacks don't understand the law. But it's all down to the police and if they issue a fine Starmer has to go
What about economic and cultural conservatives who also like indy? What should they do? Grin and bear it forever?
It is a problem for the cause
Only two hopes are that Sturgeon gets found out or labour come to their senses and stop being London lickspittles.
Then again, with right wing conservatives now arguing for the merits of trade barriers and costly red tape anything is possible...
Of course I presume this would also mean Angela Rayner going but again I am not really fussed one way or another about that. Undermining Johnson's ridiculous position seems to me to be the great prize in this game.
I think he's wrong about Nandy though, but we shall see....or not, as the (police) case may be.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/scotland2021
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019
Not sure I would even call the Greens lefties - and note that Slab are a lot more right wing than Labour in the UK. Which confuses things ... however, if SLD ever regained their Home Rule roots, they could do very well with the pro-indy types. Labour, not so much, unless the go full pro indy, and theyt won't cos their MSPs want nice MPships, peerages and directorships in the traditional cursus honorum of Slab.
It's one of the reasons I think Johnson would be happy to offer an indyref to the SNP as the price of confidence and support. He knows NS doesn't really want one and he'd believe, with some justification, that he could win it anyway.
The other reason he might do it is that he doesn't give a fuck about Scotland. That country being a minor subset of the many things that aren't Boris Johnson that he doesn't give a fuck about.
I am surprised, no shocked, that BigG. is not demanding an investigation.
I don't think PLP really fancies a lengthy leadership contest which will involve considerable navel gazing and will distract the party for months. Then there's fact it might take a while for an inexperienced new leader to adapt to the role. So, I suspect the PLP will rally round a candidate who has a considerable experience in front bench roles and who'd be able to take Boris on from the off. With Burnham not being an MP, then only Yvette really fits that profile.
The Socialist Campaign Group would try and fail to get a candidate on the ballot. The PLP surely aren't going to be stupid enough to lend nominations to 'broaden the debate' this time.
Yvette Cooper as next PM looks a value bet, for me.
There is also no way the SNP would tolerate any deals with the Tories and it would not even be a consideration unless the Conservatives were largest party which on current polling they clearly are not
Ah, so that's why he got the Mail on this
It's not Brexit for Nandy, it's that she has no ideas and isn't a good public speaker. I actually think she'd be worse than Starmer.
But it's a mistake to identify the right-wing as always being small 'c' conservatives. The Right can be very radical when they want to. And in general the Right tend to make the argument of drawing a tighter circle of empathy and leaving more people on the outside, so it goes quite naturally with nationalism. I find it very easy to see the right-wing case for Scottish independence.
It's the left-wing argument for Scottish independence that I find hard to understand. What part of "Workers of the World Unite" involves creating a new border on the island of Britain?
If Scots and English can't cooperate then what chance for cooperating across greater cultural differences?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36xSrKhCojw