There is a lingering feeling that PBers are less keen on moving on from covid than the public at large. The statistics are clear: it’s less risky than influenza and has been for some time.
Since the mask mandate was dropped here yesterday I think the number of people complying with the request by Tesco et al to wear a mask is 80%. As soon as pox rates collapse back into singe digits I'll stop bothering.
I’d say we saw similar here in Waitrose when it ceased to be a legal requirement but was a request by the store, most carried on. It’s gradually declined to around 10 to 20% now.
I do our weekly shop in our local sainsburys in Durham. If I see more than a couple of people with masks that is all, same on the buses.
I just don’t bother now, either.
There’s a lady on my street who seemingly wears a mask at all times. I walked past her house the other day and she was masked while scrubbing her own front step. Bar her, I rarely see a mask on anyone all day.
I was hoping to catch up with somebody at a conference in a few months time and they said that the conference isn't going to enforce mask wearing rules so they wouldn't be attending and although they aren't clinically vulnerable, vaccinated etc, they wouldn't feel safe.
Each to their own, but I wonder some people are suffering a sort of PTSD, where they see danger at every turn and lost sense of the a) the risk profile and b) that unless you insist on living like a hermit for the rest of your days, you are going to come into contact with COVID at some point.
a) That’s not now PTSD works. b) Have we not learnt by now that you can get multiple re-infections? You write as if getting COVID is a one and done affair.
Follow the logic Covid is just a cold Covid restrictions were an over-reaction So Boris did no wrong So vote Tory.
The Tory MPs and lickspittles now attacking the rules as being to blame (instead of their boss) are saying everyone who followed the rules was stupid and thus their boss so smart. Yet why did every member of the cabinet say over and over again that we MUST obey the rules?
Its like the GBeebies presenter making an arse of himself on Twitter. Full-on defence of Boris being compared with his full-on attack of the opponents of Boris (Neil Ferguson in the specific example) doing what Boris did and being described as an "utter prick" for doing so.
Its the level of disdain in which the Tories hold people. "They are so stupid they will forget everything we said".
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
The new conservative administration might scrap this traditional system. https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=327245 ...Unlike the international norm that starts with the age of zero at birth and then adds a year on birthdays, under the Korean system, a newborn baby's age is counted starting from one rather than zero, and everyone gets a year older all together on New Year's Day. So on Jan. 1, hospital maternity wards are filled with two-year-old babies born yesterday.
This traditional system is used widely in daily life, while the international system, which was introduced in the country in 1962, is used in official records and the civil code.
In addition, there is a third system in which newborns start out at age zero, but everybody's age advances on New Year's Day, regardless of their actual date of birth. This method is used for military conscription and for defining the age of juveniles under the Youth Protection Act....
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
The new conservative administration might scrap this traditional system. https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=327245 ...Unlike the international norm that starts with the age of zero at birth and then adds a year on birthdays, under the Korean system, a newborn baby's age is counted starting from one rather than zero, and everyone gets a year older all together on New Year's Day. So on Jan. 1, hospital maternity wards are filled with two-year-old babies born yesterday.
This traditional system is used widely in daily life, while the international system, which was introduced in the country in 1962, is used in official records and the civil code.
In addition, there is a third system in which newborns start out at age zero, but everybody's age advances on New Year's Day, regardless of their actual date of birth. This method is used for military conscription and for defining the age of juveniles under the Youth Protection Act....
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
The new conservative administration might scrap this traditional system. https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=327245 ...Unlike the international norm that starts with the age of zero at birth and then adds a year on birthdays, under the Korean system, a newborn baby's age is counted starting from one rather than zero, and everyone gets a year older all together on New Year's Day. So on Jan. 1, hospital maternity wards are filled with two-year-old babies born yesterday.
This traditional system is used widely in daily life, while the international system, which was introduced in the country in 1962, is used in official records and the civil code.
In addition, there is a third system in which newborns start out at age zero, but everybody's age advances on New Year's Day, regardless of their actual date of birth. This method is used for military conscription and for defining the age of juveniles under the Youth Protection Act....
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Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
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Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
It is a gift to the relevant PCPs. The mendacity may be priced in for Boris himself, but a means to project that guilt directly to a specific constituency, in a way that is clear and unambiguous... A bit of a godsend.
How many pictures of Boris and the Tory candidate will appear on opposition leaflets? (Ok I know, I know, none, probably - but I doubt Boris will appear on any Tory election leaflets either; and if that is the case, how does one justify supporting him as an "election winner"?)
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Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
And the Gray report may well be out sometime this year. What this does of course is keep the pot simmering.
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Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
Yesterdays performances by Patel and Boris at the dispatch box were toe curling awful and with Rishi looking as sick as a parrot next to Boris, if conservative mps do not wake up and smell the coffee and vote Boris out, then they will go down with him to a titanic style defeat in 24
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Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
Labour are obviously hoping that it will replicate the Owen Paterson vote - where although Johnson won the vote he really did lose the argument, and was subsequently forced to back down.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm sure there will be lots of Tory MPs who would privately concede that the PMs initial statements to the House were not entirely accurate, and would rather not be put on the spot like this.
The new conservative administration might scrap this traditional system. https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=327245 ...Unlike the international norm that starts with the age of zero at birth and then adds a year on birthdays, under the Korean system, a newborn baby's age is counted starting from one rather than zero, and everyone gets a year older all together on New Year's Day. So on Jan. 1, hospital maternity wards are filled with two-year-old babies born yesterday.
This traditional system is used widely in daily life, while the international system, which was introduced in the country in 1962, is used in official records and the civil code.
In addition, there is a third system in which newborns start out at age zero, but everybody's age advances on New Year's Day, regardless of their actual date of birth. This method is used for military conscription and for defining the age of juveniles under the Youth Protection Act....
We have the same system with racehorses....
All horses. So you want your foals (and children, if we adopt the system) in January to give them an 11.75 month at best head start
On topic of the new header having been cleaned out betting phatboi was toast by end March I now think he is toast this year. We cannot go on like yesterday but we are going to have to because strikingly be made no bid to buy himself out of repeat performances by generalising his apology to cover all his sins before he saw the light
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
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Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
Yesterdays performances by Patel and Boris at the dispatch box were toe curling awful and with Rishi looking as sick as a parrot next to Boris, if conservative mps do not wake up and smell the coffee and vote Boris out, then they will go down with him to a titanic style defeat in 24
Is there a competition today for getting the most idioms into a single post?
Is it a good street though? Could be a competition amongst world leaders - my street has an embassy on it, whilst his has a dunkin donuts...they clearly like him more.
Is it a good street though? Could be a competition amongst world leaders - my street has an embassy on it, whilst his has a dunkin donuts...they clearly like him more.
Didn’t somewhere rename the street containing a Russian embassy as Ukraine St or Zelensky St?
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
There is a lingering feeling that PBers are less keen on moving on from covid than the public at large. The statistics are clear: it’s less risky than influenza and has been for some time.
Since the mask mandate was dropped here yesterday I think the number of people complying with the request by Tesco et al to wear a mask is 80%. As soon as pox rates collapse back into singe digits I'll stop bothering.
I’d say we saw similar here in Waitrose when it ceased to be a legal requirement but was a request by the store, most carried on. It’s gradually declined to around 10 to 20% now.
I do our weekly shop in our local sainsburys in Durham. If I see more than a couple of people with masks that is all, same on the buses.
I just don’t bother now, either.
There’s a lady on my street who seemingly wears a mask at all times. I walked past her house the other day and she was masked while scrubbing her own front step. Bar her, I rarely see a mask on anyone all day.
I was hoping to catch up with somebody at a conference in a few months time and they said that the conference isn't going to enforce mask wearing rules so they wouldn't be attending and although they aren't clinically vulnerable, vaccinated etc, they wouldn't feel safe.
Each to their own, but I wonder some people are suffering a sort of PTSD, where they see danger at every turn and lost sense of the a) the risk profile and b) that unless you insist on living like a hermit for the rest of your days, you are going to come into contact with COVID at some point.
a) That’s not now PTSD works. b) Have we not learnt by now that you can get multiple re-infections? You write as if getting COVID is a one and done affair.
Nope. Francis has said repeatedly on here that we’ll all get covid multiple times during our lives.
Is it a good street though? Could be a competition amongst world leaders - my street has an embassy on it, whilst his has a dunkin donuts...they clearly like him more.
Being stuck on this thread while there is another thread somewhere else but one that we can't see or participate in sounds like a plot point from Black Mirror.
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
Netflix is barely worth the subscription fee now, as I was saying the other day. iPlayer is superior I think (although I still subscribe to both, plus Prime).
Disney+ is utter garbage. Apple has just two good shows. So they have both been binned.
Being stuck on this thread while there is another thread somewhere else but one that we can't see or participate in sounds like a plot point from Black Mirror.
I can see the thread header and @Big_G_NorthWales clearly can too because he has copy pasted some of it but no one can post on it.
@rcs1000 if you’re around, someone needs to restart the VF/Wordpress interface service, new thread is not connecting to VF.
I should really label your comment "off topic" as that apparently triggers a notification to the mods. But I won't because it wasn't.
Only works if it literally rings alarm bells, Shirley.
Not sure, Robert often says will people please not use it frivolously as they get pinged or something.
And whoever marked my thread as off-topic loses the satisfaction of doing so because off-topic flags are unattributable. So their comedic genius will go unrecognised.
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
How are they going to tighten up on shared accounts, and how would they avoid pissing off customers who have to travel for work?
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
Now that so many younger people seem to use mobile data for watching videos, trying to clamp down further on account sharing is likely to annoy legitimate users at least as much as it prevents the login sharing - most of which is between families anyway.
Most of the ‘illegitimate’ login sharing is going to be between changing households - an ex-housemate or ex-girlfriend - or a group of students each of whom subscribes to one service themselves.
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CON MPS WOULD BE MAKING A MISTAKE BLOCKING A JOHNSON INQUIRY
20/4/2022 Mike Smithson Comments 0 Comment
Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
Yesterdays performances by Patel and Boris at the dispatch box were toe curling awful and with Rishi looking as sick as a parrot next to Boris, if conservative mps do not wake up and smell the coffee and vote Boris out, then they will go down with him to a titanic style defeat in 24
Its a cult. They see nothing wrong with anything that Boris did or the Rwanda press release or a non-dom lecturing people on paying taxes. Nothing to see, move along.
The question is just how stupid are voters? The Tories assume they can say and do anything and people will support them. I hope that isn't the case.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Leaving the ethics to one side (this is a political website, after all), does preventing an enquiry cauterise the story?
Everyone knows/believes/expects that there are other, worse parties to be confirmed, don't they?
And whilst postponing pain until tomorrow is the essence of Borisism, it doesn't seem like wise politics for the Conservatives. Johnson is dispensable; at least some Conservative MPs will be hoping to have a future after him.
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
Netflix is barely worth the subscription fee now, as I was saying the other day. iPlayer is superior I think (although I still subscribe to both, plus Prime).
Disney+ is utter garbage. Apple has just two good shows. So they have both been binned.
Disagree. All the channels have one or two must-see things. It's difficult to distinguish. Even iPlayer although less, imo, than the others. Disney and Apple I don't do, that said.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
You don't think there is a moral issue. That rules matter. Propriety matters. The law matters. Just headlines.
Looks like there is a new thread but I cannot access it normally or here
Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the comments plug-in on the main site, and until somebody posts a comment on the aforesaid main site it doesn't appear in VF.
So until TSE or RCS wakes up, we're stuck on this one.
The new thread seem missing on vanilla
Yes. Because we can't comment on it in vanilla until there's a comment on the main site. And we can't post a comment on the main site as Vanilla isn't working on it.
Catch-22.
This is the thread when it becomes active
CON MPS WOULD BE MAKING A MISTAKE BLOCKING A JOHNSON INQUIRY
20/4/2022 Mike Smithson Comments 0 Comment
Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
Johnson is here for the long haul. He is morphing into Trump by the day.
According to Sky News, Boris Johnson came out swinging last night with his ebullient and unrepentant performance to rally his troops, and rally them he did. Withering attacks on the enemies of Johnsonianism, for example Welby, who has been critical of Rwanda and not Putin (the second part is a lie, but who cares) and on Starmer for debasing politics with his highly personal attacks (an irony of ironies- Jimmy Savile says hi!).
Johnson is going nowhere. January 2025 can't come soon enough, and even then who says he doesn't return bigger and stronger.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
Holier than thou people hold the values they claim in utter contempt.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Nope - the risk for any Tory MP is that the fact that the opposition will be able to demonstrate that the Tory candidate is happy that Boris broke the law by partying as your relatives died alone.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Leaving the ethics to one side (this is a political website, after all), does preventing an enquiry cauterise the story?
Everyone knows/believes/expects that there are other, worse parties to be confirmed, don't they?
And whilst postponing pain until tomorrow is the essence of Borisism, it doesn't seem like wise politics for the Conservatives. Johnson is dispensable; at least some Conservative MPs will be hoping to have a future after him.
So the alternative approach would be something like - instruct all Tory MPs to abstain from the vote and to absent themselves from the debate preceding it. Claim that Labour are wasting time on frivolous Westminster politics while the government is concentrating on dealing with important issues. Deride the subsequent investigation as a sham and a kangeroo court.
One advantage of that is it avoids forcing Tory MPs to vote against the facts, but it means there will be another report, which could well conclude the PM lied, and has to apologise for doing so. Could he survive that, or would a calculation be that it would be difficult for the standards commissioner to explicitly conclude he had lied, and thereby implicitly call for his resignation?
Looks like there is a new thread but I cannot access it normally or here
Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the comments plug-in on the main site, and until somebody posts a comment on the aforesaid main site it doesn't appear in VF.
So until TSE or RCS wakes up, we're stuck on this one.
The new thread seem missing on vanilla
Yes. Because we can't comment on it in vanilla until there's a comment on the main site. And we can't post a comment on the main site as Vanilla isn't working on it.
Catch-22.
This is the thread when it becomes active
CON MPS WOULD BE MAKING A MISTAKE BLOCKING A JOHNSON INQUIRY
20/4/2022 Mike Smithson Comments 0 Comment
Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
Yesterdays performances by Patel and Boris at the dispatch box were toe curling awful and with Rishi looking as sick as a parrot next to Boris, if conservative mps do not wake up and smell the coffee and vote Boris out, then they will go down with him to a titanic style defeat in 24
Is there a competition today for getting the most idioms into a single post?
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
Now that so many younger people seem to use mobile data for watching videos, trying to clamp down further on account sharing is likely to annoy legitimate users at least as much as it prevents the login sharing - most of which is between families anyway.
Most of the ‘illegitimate’ login sharing is going to be between changing households - an ex-housemate or ex-girlfriend - or a group of students each of whom subscribes to one service themselves.
Our contribution to that in Twin B's student flat is a National Theatre at Home subscription. Pretentious, Moi?
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
You are a Christian, but support lack of honesty and integrity in your political mind ?
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Nope - the risk for any Tory MP is that the fact that the opposition will be able to demonstrate that the Tory candidate is happy that Boris broke the law by partying as your relatives died alone.
Fabricant didn't seem too happy that Starmer had quoted one of his constituents.
Which serves him right, of course, and is unlikely to make much difference in Lichfield where they have cheerfully voted for a donkey in a blue rosette for years, but I can see why those with more marginal seats would be nervous.
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
Now that so many younger people seem to use mobile data for watching videos, trying to clamp down further on account sharing is likely to annoy legitimate users at least as much as it prevents the login sharing - most of which is between families anyway.
Most of the ‘illegitimate’ login sharing is going to be between changing households - an ex-housemate or ex-girlfriend - or a group of students each of whom subscribes to one service themselves.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
Looks like there is a new thread but I cannot access it normally or here
Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the comments plug-in on the main site, and until somebody posts a comment on the aforesaid main site it doesn't appear in VF.
So until TSE or RCS wakes up, we're stuck on this one.
The new thread seem missing on vanilla
Yes. Because we can't comment on it in vanilla until there's a comment on the main site. And we can't post a comment on the main site as Vanilla isn't working on it.
Catch-22.
This is the thread when it becomes active
CON MPS WOULD BE MAKING A MISTAKE BLOCKING A JOHNSON INQUIRY
20/4/2022 Mike Smithson Comments 0 Comment
Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
I think that Boris will win the vote relatively easily. Whether the Tories suffer long term damage from it remains to be seen but SKS has definitely taken the right steps here, having failed to move a VONC when the initial Gray report came out which would also have put these MPs on the spot.
Yesterdays performances by Patel and Boris at the dispatch box were toe curling awful and with Rishi looking as sick as a parrot next to Boris, if conservative mps do not wake up and smell the coffee and vote Boris out, then they will go down with him to a titanic style defeat in 24
Is there a competition today for getting the most idioms into a single post?
It makes a change from getting the most idiots into a single thread.....
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Nope - the risk for any Tory MP is that the fact that the opposition will be able to demonstrate that the Tory candidate is happy that Boris broke the law by partying as your relatives died alone.
Fabricant didn't seem too happy that Starmer had quoted one of his constituents.
Which serves him right, of course, and is unlikely to make much difference in Lichfield where they have cheerfully voted for a donkey in a blue rosette for years, but I can see why those with more marginal seats would be nervous.
Have to ask at which point the good people of Lichfield feel a bit of sick rising up the back of their throats. It is Solid Blue Tory. Which means nothing once the tide goes out as we have seen solid one colour seats flip to become solid for another colour.
As Big_G so eloquently puts it, do you support a lack of honesty and integrity? Tories running as Tories are saying "vote for lies, vote for illegality, vote for dishonesty - these are the values I identify with.
Question is at which point do enough voters say "you might, but I don't".
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Nope - the risk for any Tory MP is that the fact that the opposition will be able to demonstrate that the Tory candidate is happy that Boris broke the law by partying as your relatives died alone.
Fabricant didn't seem too happy that Starmer had quoted one of his constituents.
Which serves him right, of course, and is unlikely to make much difference in Lichfield where they have cheerfully voted for a donkey in a blue rosette for years, but I can see why those with more marginal seats would be nervous.
He may be a donkey in a blue rosette but he has beautiful mane!
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
As ridiculous as the two women walking along (allowed) holding a coffee each (not allowed).
Them was the rules, as we all can't quite fucking believe now. And they were cheered on by plenty, including those here on the mighty PB.
1) At the end of February Germany's defense industry sends Scholz a long list of all available weapons. 2) Scholz doesn't share the list with Ukraine. 3) Scholz says that there are no more weapons left in Germany to give to Ukraine.
They don’t hate Ukraine. But they have thrown their lot (and their pockets) in with Putin.
For everyone who mutters about “Londongrad” - Germany is what buying influence really looks like
Germany. Being on the wrong side of history since....?
They just snap under Prussia.
It's more than that - for many Germans, peace with Russia is part of the being the Germany that isn't... the other kind of Germany. It's part of being decent people.
I know one chap who is almost in pain from being pulled in two directions on this. A mutual aquaintance (first generation immigrant) to Germany remarked on it - for him it is simple - Putin is being an arsehole etc.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
The thing about these graphs which does surprise is the spike after 2016 when conventional wisdom (and I think what I’ve read from some analysts) is that Theresa May and Nick Timothy cut down specifically on the student visa route.
May reduced the time a graduate could work after their degree from 2 years to 4 months. It has since been increased to 2 years again, by the current government. I don’t think she formally limited numbers.
She did have an odd bee in her bonnet about counting students in the immigration figures, which never seemed to make sense to me.
Undergraduates can work 20 hours per week during their degree (those of us from Fen Poly often forget that one can work during a degree - we were banned from doing so, save for holidays. Maybe at some other places too?)
Eh?
I was at Cambridge 92-95 and worked part time (and was allowed to work).
I was there from 91, and we definitely were not. Maybe it was the change to the 3 digit userids that heralded the change.
The other place, there for best part of ten years and was both a porter and ran the college bar. Had both jobs when undergraduate and kept them for my DPhil.
For one summer, I worked as a porter at night and did my research during the day. Couple of hours of sleep a day tops.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
As ridiculous as the two women walking along (allowed) holding a coffee each (not allowed).
Them was the rules, as we all can't quite fucking believe now. And they were cheered on by plenty, including those here on the mighty PB.
Tory MPs voted in droves for all these rules. Now they say they were ridiculous.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
As ridiculous as the two women walking along (allowed) holding a coffee each (not allowed).
Them was the rules, as we all can't quite fucking believe now. And they were cheered on by plenty, including those here on the mighty PB.
They were indeed absurd and irrational. Only the common sense of most police officers in interpreting them judiciously (in the main) stopped them from falling into disrepute before they did.
Which rather brings home, once again, that the offence here is lying about it to the HoC. That is unacceptable.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Nope - the risk for any Tory MP is that the fact that the opposition will be able to demonstrate that the Tory candidate is happy that Boris broke the law by partying as your relatives died alone.
Fabricant didn't seem too happy that Starmer had quoted one of his constituents.
Which serves him right, of course, and is unlikely to make much difference in Lichfield where they have cheerfully voted for a donkey in a blue rosette for years, but I can see why those with more marginal seats would be nervous.
Have to ask at which point the good people of Lichfield feel a bit of sick rising up the back of their throats. It is Solid Blue Tory. Which means nothing once the tide goes out as we have seen solid one colour seats flip to become solid for another colour.
As Big_G so eloquently puts it, do you support a lack of honesty and integrity? Tories running as Tories are saying "vote for lies, vote for illegality, vote for dishonesty - these are the values I identify with.
Question is at which point do enough voters say "you might, but I don't".
They very nearly voted him out in 1997. He came within about 250 votes of losing.
Since then, with a few boundary changes, it's so safely Conservative it's really hard to see him being voted out even with his having clearly lost what little plot he ever had, although given his age he may of course decide to retire.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Yes exactly. We cannot have an executive who break the law and openly lie to parliament. "Its just a bit of cake" is wilful ignorance of the issue for political reasons.
The bit that sliced (geddit?) though yesterday was Starmer's response to "its just a cake". The "its a FPN so what" argument that had so embarrassed Brandon Lewis earlier. As Starmer pointed out, the issue is *lying* about a FPN. A jailable offence.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
As ridiculous as the two women walking along (allowed) holding a coffee each (not allowed).
Them was the rules, as we all can't quite fucking believe now. And they were cheered on by plenty, including those here on the mighty PB.
Tory MPs voted in droves for all these rules. Now they say they were ridiculous.
They weren't saying that at the time.
Utter hypocrites.
Yep. And likely to get away with it if only because we all want to blank that period out and pretend we were never so absurd a nation as to have such rules, still less that we supported them at the time.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
It had to be specifically essential for work.
So, for coffee breaks they should have left the building? Can you not see how ridiculous this is?
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
As ridiculous as the two women walking along (allowed) holding a coffee each (not allowed).
Them was the rules, as we all can't quite fucking believe now. And they were cheered on by plenty, including those here on the mighty PB.
Tory MPs voted in droves for all these rules. Now they say they were ridiculous.
They weren't saying that at the time.
Utter hypocrites.
I think we go with MPs from all parties at the start there.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
It had to be specifically essential for work.
So, for coffee breaks they should have left the building? Can you not see how ridiculous this is?
Well, that's not much of a defence given he wrote the rules...
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
It had to be specifically essential for work.
So, for coffee breaks they should have left the building? Can you not see how ridiculous this is?
The question is not whether it is ridiculous it is whether it was the law. And in offices I have worked in people have from time to time got themselves a cup of coffee, they haven't gathered together to drink the stuff.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
Well, there was enough evidence for the Police to issue a FPN, and for the PM to pay the fine and accept his guilt.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
As ridiculous as the two women walking along (allowed) holding a coffee each (not allowed).
Them was the rules, as we all can't quite fucking believe now. And they were cheered on by plenty, including those here on the mighty PB.
They were indeed absurd and irrational. Only the common sense of most police officers in interpreting them judiciously (in the main) stopped them from falling into disrepute before they did.
Which rather brings home, once again, that the offence here is lying about it to the HoC. That is unacceptable.
It is an interesting point. Just like the two women with the coffee it is perfectly feasible that even the PM thought that a cake for a few minutes sprung on him couldn't possibly constitute a breach of the rules. So I get it that he genuinely thinks he didn't lie to the HoC.
But something is rotten about the process. Because he should have known so the answer to the question of whether he was a liar or an idiot is that he was the latter. And still gets cheered to the rafters by as @rottenborough notes the very MPs who voted for those rules.
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
Tightening up on shared accounts may, counter-intuitively, be a mistake. One account shared amongst a couple of friends is 1 monthly payment. Try to force them all to pay, and they may just stop, and take other paying friends with them. Windows piracy, for example, immeasurably assisted Windows in gaining ubiquity. They already have inexpensive paths to "family" memberships which were successful at dealing with the "I'm only paying one Netflix license in this house!" issue.
They have also put the price up this month, and given you a "cancel your sub now" button - this will have precipitated a lot of losses; which presumably they are trying to get out of the way ASAP and get back to growth from a lower base.
Their share price was off 20% at one point yesterday. The fragmentation of the streaming industry is going to be bad for all competitors, and the need for original content is going to be the trump card in future.
Quite why Netflix now thinks that throwing millions at Mr and Mrs Sussex is the way to achieve that, is another question.
From that thread about their 'world class data science'... They noticed 3 key things:
1. The British version of House of Cards was a hit.
2. Films with Kevin Spacey were, too...
They were an innovator on their own back then. Now they're scrapping in the gutter with everyone else.
Two things they should do:
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
Now that so many younger people seem to use mobile data for watching videos, trying to clamp down further on account sharing is likely to annoy legitimate users at least as much as it prevents the login sharing - most of which is between families anyway.
Most of the ‘illegitimate’ login sharing is going to be between changing households - an ex-housemate or ex-girlfriend - or a group of students each of whom subscribes to one service themselves.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
Well, there was enough evidence for the Police to issue a FPN, and for the PM to pay the fine and accept his guilt.
And that's after it has presumably been looked at by senior counsel for at least the Met, Sue Gray, the PM, Sunak and any other fine recipient who can afford a bit of advice or call in a favour.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Nope - the risk for any Tory MP is that the fact that the opposition will be able to demonstrate that the Tory candidate is happy that Boris broke the law by partying as your relatives died alone.
Fabricant didn't seem too happy that Starmer had quoted one of his constituents.
Which serves him right, of course, and is unlikely to make much difference in Lichfield where they have cheerfully voted for a donkey in a blue rosette for years, but I can see why those with more marginal seats would be nervous.
Have to ask at which point the good people of Lichfield feel a bit of sick rising up the back of their throats. It is Solid Blue Tory. Which means nothing once the tide goes out as we have seen solid one colour seats flip to become solid for another colour.
As Big_G so eloquently puts it, do you support a lack of honesty and integrity? Tories running as Tories are saying "vote for lies, vote for illegality, vote for dishonesty - these are the values I identify with.
Question is at which point do enough voters say "you might, but I don't".
I am yet to see the potential for a collapse of the blue wall, although if anyone can furnish such a collapse Boris Johnson is the man.
The fact that safe Labour seats like Sedgefield are now solidly Conservative and Llanelli is a three way marginal shows how far a Party can fall, but I don't see the likes of Fabricant ever losing his safe seat. Mind you in the genteel town centres of the West Midlands, like my own home town of Solihull, of Lichfield, Sutton Coldfield, Stratford Upon Avon, Evesham and Malvern (Great Malvern in particular is on it's knees) are all looking very down at heel. And, however hard we try, it would be a push to blame decades of Labour corruption on their decline.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
Not least because the "gathering" was reported in the Times the day after it happened. And nobody raised so much as an eyebrow then.
On the new thread which we cannot comment on in it, I would say the risk of voting for an inquiry is it extends the issue in the headlines. The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on.
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
'The PM and Chancellor have been fined and apologised, we are now out of restrictions anyway, for Tory MPs move on'.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
The latest polls still have the Tories on 32 to 34%. Hardly extinction and indeed still significantly higher than they were polling in the final period of the Major and May governments and indeed than Labour were polling in the final years of the Brown government
Do you think the Big Man should go? Or is all well just a nine minute party what's all the fuss about.
Right now, the only decided issue on which the PM has been found to have done anything wrong, is indeed his birthday cake, which he knew nothing about until his wife and a junior member of staff produced at the start of a meeting.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
How many times do we have to explain that the rules were not about parties, but non work gatherings? You have an unusual blind spot on this, your other posts are consistently logical and accurate whether agreed with or not.
Maybe the problem is that the idea of a non work gathering with people from work in a work setting is just totally ridiculous. So the cabinet meeting was a work setting until the Mrs brings a cake in at which everybody should apparently have fled?
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
It had to be specifically essential for work.
So, for coffee breaks they should have left the building? Can you not see how ridiculous this is?
I did not write the rules. Nor have I repeatedly claimed that I have followed the rules to the letter.
The ridiculous thing is the PM could have made this a one week story back in December. All he had to do was say "We were all working very hard and in the same building and there were times when we got it wrong, I am very sorry and apologise".
Instead he has spent five months gaslighting us and taking us for fools and showing utter contempt.
Partygate is not a side issue because it goes to the core of why Johnson does everything he does politically, for pure personal advantage or amusement and no other reason. Of course, all politicians have an element of this, so what abouters have plenty to play with, the difference with Boris is the absolute consistency with which he does it all the time and has no boundaries in doing so. We have seen but a fraction of the danger of this approach.
So, look at his steadfast Ukraine support through this lens. Why did Boris take this position? High moral purpose? Like hell. Or was it the only he position he could take to defend from the fact that, having quietly dismantled the previous (themselves porous) boundaries, he has courted the oligarch ruble without limit. And not only that, his advantage lies in finding a way to quietly maintain that flow of rubles into Tory coffers to spend on re-election. And those looking to distance themselves from Putin or evade sanction will be happy to help. So, Boris's support for Ukraine has to be seen as pure Cakeism, a defence that "don't be ridiculous, nobody could have done more" whenever these questions come back to the fore.
If that sounds deeply cynical, what in Boris's behaviour, his jinking sorry, not sorry apologies, has ever disabused me of that. What is there to make me think my thinking on Boris's Ukraine position is unfair? Nothing, that's what.
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Covid is just a cold
Covid restrictions were an over-reaction
So Boris did no wrong
So vote Tory.
The Tory MPs and lickspittles now attacking the rules as being to blame (instead of their boss) are saying everyone who followed the rules was stupid and thus their boss so smart. Yet why did every member of the cabinet say over and over again that we MUST obey the rules?
Its like the GBeebies presenter making an arse of himself on Twitter. Full-on defence of Boris being compared with his full-on attack of the opponents of Boris (Neil Ferguson in the specific example) doing what Boris did and being described as an "utter prick" for doing so.
Its the level of disdain in which the Tories hold people. "They are so stupid they will forget everything we said".
GermanyScholz hate Ukraine so much?https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18309366/ukraine-named-street-boris-johnsons-honour/
For everyone who mutters about “Londongrad” - Germany is what buying influence really looks like
https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=327245
...Unlike the international norm that starts with the age of zero at birth and then adds a year on birthdays, under the Korean system, a newborn baby's age is counted starting from one rather than zero, and everyone gets a year older all together on New Year's Day. So on Jan. 1, hospital maternity wards are filled with two-year-old babies born yesterday.
This traditional system is used widely in daily life, while the international system, which was introduced in the country in 1962, is used in official records and the civil code.
In addition, there is a third system in which newborns start out at age zero, but everybody's age advances on New Year's Day, regardless of their actual date of birth. This method is used for military conscription and for defining the age of juveniles under the Youth Protection Act....
Looks like there is a new thread but I cannot access it normally or here
So until TSE or RCS wakes up, we're stuck on this one.
Catch-22.
CON MPS WOULD BE MAKING A MISTAKE BLOCKING A JOHNSON INQUIRY
20/4/2022 Mike Smithson Comments 0 Comment
Their vote could be career-defining Just imagine you are running a LAB/LD/SNP campaign in a marginal constituency where you think there is a chance at the next general election. In the current context there could be nothing better for the incumbent CON MP to vote to block the inquiry into the PM’s consistent failure to be honest. If Tory MPs follow their leader and seek to scupper the move then they too will be tarred by Johnson’s behaviour and that…
How many pictures of Boris and the Tory candidate will appear on opposition leaflets? (Ok I know, I know, none, probably - but I doubt Boris will appear on any Tory election leaflets either; and if that is the case, how does one justify supporting him as an "election winner"?)
What this does of course is keep the pot simmering.
Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm sure there will be lots of Tory MPs who would privately concede that the PMs initial statements to the House were not entirely accurate, and would rather not be put on the spot like this.
On topic of the new header having been cleaned out betting phatboi was toast by end March I now think he is toast this year. We cannot go on like yesterday but we are going to have to because strikingly be made no bid to buy himself out of repeat performances by generalising his apology to cover all his sins before he saw the light
As for the Green vote being available for Labour to squeeze, don't forget the Tories also have ReformUK to squeeze too
Tighten up significantly on shared accounts
Offer an annual pass at similar to todays prices, but bump up monthly by 10%+ per year or so to deal with people choosing to do 4 months with netflix, 4 month with amazon, 4 months with dsiney/apple on rotation and get all the content over a year for the price of 3.
The only way they are going to move on with this attitude is to extinction
Where are the values of honesty and integrity - they need to get a backbone and realise ordinary voters hold these values in high esteem
Disney+ is utter garbage. Apple has just two good shows. So they have both been binned.
Most of the ‘illegitimate’ login sharing is going to be between changing households - an ex-housemate or ex-girlfriend - or a group of students each of whom subscribes to one service themselves.
The question is just how stupid are voters? The Tories assume they can say and do anything and people will support them. I hope that isn't the case.
Everyone knows/believes/expects that there are other, worse parties to be confirmed, don't they?
And whilst postponing pain until tomorrow is the essence of Borisism, it doesn't seem like wise politics for the Conservatives. Johnson is dispensable; at least some Conservative MPs will be hoping to have a future after him.
As Starmer said yesterday, what a joke.
According to Sky News, Boris Johnson came out swinging last night with his ebullient and unrepentant performance to rally his troops, and rally them he did. Withering attacks on the enemies of Johnsonianism, for example Welby, who has been critical of Rwanda and not Putin (the second part is a lie, but who cares) and on Starmer for debasing politics with his highly personal attacks (an irony of ironies- Jimmy Savile says hi!).
Johnson is going nowhere. January 2025 can't come soon enough, and even then who says he doesn't return bigger and stronger.
One advantage of that is it avoids forcing Tory MPs to vote against the facts, but it means there will be another report, which could well conclude the PM lied, and has to apologise for doing so. Could he survive that, or would a calculation be that it would be difficult for the standards commissioner to explicitly conclude he had lied, and thereby implicitly call for his resignation?
Another Vanilla "upgrade"?
Which serves him right, of course, and is unlikely to make much difference in Lichfield where they have cheerfully voted for a donkey in a blue rosette for years, but I can see why those with more marginal seats would be nervous.
Being tested in Latin America by restricting the number of profiles and charging for additional ones. They also have tested 2FA.
He's seriously fortunate that he has such a beatable opponent.
The alleged misleading of Parliament, relies on this event being called a ‘party’, when he was asked about parties in general more than a year later, with no mention of this specific event in the public domain beforehand.
If there are more serious offences in reports to come, then fair enough, but right now it just appears to be a distraction from more important things going on in the world - political opponents and journalists getting ever more hyperbolic, doesn’t change the facts of the case.
As Big_G so eloquently puts it, do you support a lack of honesty and integrity? Tories running as Tories are saying "vote for lies, vote for illegality, vote for dishonesty - these are the values I identify with.
Question is at which point do enough voters say "you might, but I don't".
The police are damned lucky this nonsense is not being challenged in the courts.
Them was the rules, as we all can't quite fucking believe now. And they were cheered on by plenty, including those here on the mighty PB.
I know one chap who is almost in pain from being pulled in two directions on this. A mutual aquaintance (first generation immigrant) to Germany remarked on it - for him it is simple - Putin is being an arsehole etc.
For one summer, I worked as a porter at night and did my research during the day. Couple of hours of sleep a day tops.
They weren't saying that at the time.
Utter hypocrites.
Which rather brings home, once again, that the offence here is lying about it to the HoC. That is unacceptable.
Since then, with a few boundary changes, it's so safely Conservative it's really hard to see him being voted out even with his having clearly lost what little plot he ever had, although given his age he may of course decide to retire.
The bit that sliced (geddit?) though yesterday was Starmer's response to "its just a cake". The "its a FPN so what" argument that had so embarrassed Brandon Lewis earlier. As Starmer pointed out, the issue is *lying* about a FPN. A jailable offence.
Yes!!!
There's a "real buzz" in LOTO and Southside around the idea of Ed Balls standing in Wakefield, says a senior Labour source...
Party figures think he'd bring a "big beast factor" to the by-election and a "big brain" to the Labour benches
How would the people of Wakefield react?
The only resistance came from the fringes.
Small world - damned near lived in the place for a while.
Not exactly a student pub :-)
Did you meet the guy with slightly droopy eyelid?
But something is rotten about the process. Because he should have known so the answer to the question of whether he was a liar or an idiot is that he was the latter. And still gets cheered to the rafters by as @rottenborough notes the very MPs who voted for those rules.
They have also put the price up this month, and given you a "cancel your sub now" button - this will have precipitated a lot of losses; which presumably they are trying to get out of the way ASAP and get back to growth from a lower base.
The fact that safe Labour seats like Sedgefield are now solidly Conservative and Llanelli is a three way marginal shows how far a Party can fall, but I don't see the likes of Fabricant ever losing his safe seat. Mind you in the genteel town centres of the West Midlands, like my own home town of Solihull, of Lichfield, Sutton Coldfield, Stratford Upon Avon, Evesham and Malvern (Great Malvern in particular is on it's knees) are all looking very down at heel. And, however hard we try, it would be a push to blame decades of Labour corruption on their decline.
The ridiculous thing is the PM could have made this a one week story back in December. All he had to do was say "We were all working very hard and in the same building and there were times when we got it wrong, I am very sorry and apologise".
Instead he has spent five months gaslighting us and taking us for fools and showing utter contempt.
So, look at his steadfast Ukraine support through this lens. Why did Boris take this position? High moral purpose? Like hell. Or was it the only he position he could take to defend from the fact that, having quietly dismantled the previous (themselves porous) boundaries, he has courted the oligarch ruble without limit. And not only that, his advantage lies in finding a way to quietly maintain that flow of rubles into Tory coffers to spend on re-election. And those looking to distance themselves from Putin or evade sanction will be happy to help. So, Boris's support for Ukraine has to be seen as pure Cakeism, a defence that "don't be ridiculous, nobody could have done more" whenever these questions come back to the fore.
If that sounds deeply cynical, what in Boris's behaviour, his jinking sorry, not sorry apologies, has ever disabused me of that. What is there to make me think my thinking on Boris's Ukraine position is unfair? Nothing, that's what.