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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    Reading some of the German responses to Zelensky's snub of Steinmeier, there's quite a bit of "you need us more than we need you" and people taking affront at Ukraine being critical of them.

    "Das war ein Befehl! Der Angriff Steinmeiers war ein Befehl!"
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Scott_xP said:

    Mea culpa

    I didn't think I could hate these fuckers more than I already did.

    I was wrong.

    Doesn’t need saying, but remember the anger when you get the chance to vote.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Ratters said:

    Sunak's not had a great week has he?

    Any no wonder hardly any Tories are gunning for Boris to resign when Truss is the heir apparent now...

    So they are holding back because they fear their own decision? That doesn't quite add up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    Test
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    Leon said:

    Practically and geographically speaking, the military alliance of the US, Japan, the UK, Oz, would be unbeatable. One of the two global superpowers, plus two G7 powers, and another nuclear power, plus the crucial Indo-Pacific continent: Australia, with all its potential

    This is how we confine the evil of Russia/China, as NATO is legally restricted and the EU is horribly divided

    Add in South Korea and Taiwan (surely?) and we have a coalition of great prowess and about 650mn people, and the most technologically advanced countries on the planet

    India can fuck off

    It's an embryonic GDI.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,413
    Stonehenge: where the demons dwell..
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited April 2022
    Chelsea lead - amazing

    VAR says no
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    🔴 Sue Gray’s report into illegal Downing Street gatherings is set to be published as early as next week, when MPs return to Parliament, it can be revealed https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/12/sue-gray-report-set-published-mps-return-parliament-next-week/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1649794765-2
  • Scott_xP said:

    🔴 Sue Gray’s report into illegal Downing Street gatherings is set to be published as early as next week, when MPs return to Parliament, it can be revealed https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/04/12/sue-gray-report-set-published-mps-return-parliament-next-week/?utm_content=politics&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1649794765-2

    That would indicate the police have concluded their investigations
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    edited April 2022
    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    The US has admitted publicly that its allegations that Russia planned to use chemical weapons in Ukraine were based on 'low grade' intelligence and designed to 'get in Putin' s head'.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-using-declassified-intel-fight-info-war-russia-even-intel-isnt-rock-rcna23014

    I suspect that the publication of this story is a likelier reason that Parliament is no longer being recalled to discuss the issue, but frankly if 'partygate' means that the Mother of Parliaments is now not recalled to add pantomime to a US charade, that's one thing in partygate's favour.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,590

    I wonder if that interior designer person has copped a fine. Wasn't she carrying Bozo's cake?

    Oooh. Mrs. No. Ah. Ooh. (C) Frankie Howerd
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    kle4 said:

    The 🇬🇧 changed PM
    👉🏻four times in the war in Afghanistan
    👉🏻in the Iraq War
    👉🏻in the Gulf War
    👉🏻in the Korean War
    👉🏻in the Second World War
    👉🏻in the First World War
    👉🏻in the Second Boer War
    👉🏻in the Second Opium War
    👉🏻in the Crimean War
    👉🏻twice in the Peninsular War


    https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1513915021239193614

    Nothing before gulf war matters as time of communication/ decision making v different

    Yes, it is even easier to communicate and make decisions, and enact those decisions worldwide, so the implications of making the switch are less.
    Nah - other way round. IIRC some of the Indian wars were fought and won before the message arrived in London saying the country was at war. So lots of local delegation.

    When the PM is making every big decision it’s a more important risk to have a hiatus
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    edited April 2022
    Again, WTF are the ludicrous blue sheets for at the Bernabeu?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892

    The 🇬🇧 changed PM
    👉🏻four times in the war in Afghanistan
    👉🏻in the Iraq War
    👉🏻in the Gulf War
    👉🏻in the Korean War
    👉🏻in the Second World War
    👉🏻in the First World War
    👉🏻in the Second Boer War
    👉🏻in the Second Opium War
    👉🏻in the Crimean War
    👉🏻twice in the Peninsular War


    https://twitter.com/RhonddaBryant/status/1513915021239193614

    Nothing before gulf war matters as time of communication/ decision making v different

    Afghanistan and 2x gulf not existential in way Ukraine vs Russia could become
    Existential for Ukraine, certainly, but hardly so for Britain.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    I wonder how Allegra is feeling tonight.

    Poor old Allegra has lost more than any of them and in my opinion her only crime was choosing an awful boss.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    President Biden and Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain on Tuesday discussed Mr. Johnson’s recent trip to Ukraine. The leaders talked about providing security and aid to Ukraine, the White House said in a statement.

    NY Times blog

    They agreed the trip had been a useful distraction from cake.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Perhaps apropos?

    Politico.com - South Dakota attorney general impeached over fatal crash
    Jason Ravnsborg will at least temporarily be removed from office pending the historic [state] Senate trial, where it takes a two-thirds majority to convict on impeachment charges.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/12/south-dakota-attorney-general-impeached-crash-00024743

    In 2003 former Gov. and US Rep. Bill Janklow (R-SD) was tried & convicted of vehicular manslaughter.

    Note that South Dakota is a LARGE sparsely-populated state. So people drive FAST. Especially politicos heading home from political events. And too often with more than gasoline filling their tanks.

    BTW, at time of Janklow case, local Indians maintained it was NOT first time he'd killed someone while DUI.

    Just first time he'd done it to a White man.
  • Chelsea do lead now
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    Macron's "mais vous êtes fou ou quoi?" could be his Mrs Duffy moment.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892
    edited April 2022

    something quite ominous about the silence from Rishi Sunak and his aides

    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1513937974148448266

    To whom does the Chancellor of the Exchequer send his request for the Chiltern Hundreds?

    His wife's tax avoidance made excruciatingly clear. His loyalty to America made excruciatingly clear. Her stuff moved out of Downing Street to destinations unknown. His political career over. And now this humiliation. Why not walk?
    I thought the removal vans heading out of Downing Street towards the OC earlier this week was telling.

    He's going isn't he?

    Surely the rank odour from the BigDog next door can't be the reason for the visit from Pickfords.
    Boris cannot afford to have Sunak resign over taxes but declare he is leaving over partygate. The Prime Minister and Chancellor must hang together, for fear of being hanged separately. This means Boris must launch Operation Save Big Dog's Next Door Neighbour.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
    I'm sorry I misunderstand. Are you equating a Birthday party contravening COVID restrictions and subsequently attracting a Fixed Penalty Notice to chid pornography or the Holocaust? I think you are getting things a little out of perspective and need a lie-down.

    We are talking about Ukraine if you remember. And the recall of parliament to discuss the alleged (or actual) use of biological/chemical weapons.

    Of course opposition MP's vent. That's all they can really do. Do you think that some unbeknownst truth will be outed by the Labour member for Dunny-on-the-Wold getting their chance to quiz the PM? Nope. Every question from every MP will be answered by the same answer. And our collective understanding of the issue will increase by zero.

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    President Biden and Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain on Tuesday discussed Mr. Johnson’s recent trip to Ukraine. The leaders talked about providing security and aid to Ukraine, the White House said in a statement.

    NY Times blog

    They agreed the trip had been a useful distraction from cake.

    Isn't cakeism Boris's signature policy?

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited April 2022
    Roger said:

    I wonder how Allegra is feeling tonight.

    Poor old Allegra has lost more than any of them and in my opinion her only crime was choosing an awful boss.
    No sympathy.
    Everyone dealing with Boris knows what they are getting into; and if not they are too stupid to do any role anyway.
  • Again, WTF are the ludicrous blue sheets for at the Bernabeu?

    They are upgrading the stadium and parts of the stadium look like a building site.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Macron's "mais vous êtes fou ou quoi?" could be his Mrs Duffy moment.

    You wish.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Chelsea do lead now

    Unbelievable. Apparently Real have never lost at home by more than one goal to an English side in the champions league. If the hang on it’s some result. Although real did lose el Classico 4-0 recently.
  • Real Madrid square the tie
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Chelsea do lead now

    Unbelievable. Apparently Real have never lost at home by more than one goal to an English side in the champions league. If the hang on it’s some result. Although real did lose el Classico 4-0 recently.
    And they didn't.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Scott_xP said:

    Mea culpa

    I didn't think I could hate these fuckers more than I already did.

    I was wrong.

    Doesn’t need saying, but remember the anger when you get the chance to vote.
    You think Scott_P wasn't already incandescent when he voted in 2019? lolz.....
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
    I'm sorry I misunderstand. Are you equating a Birthday party contravening COVID restrictions and subsequently attracting a Fixed Penalty Notice to chid pornography or the Holocaust? I think you are getting things a little out of perspective and need a lie-down.

    We are talking about Ukraine if you remember. And the recall of parliament to discuss the alleged (or actual) use of biological/chemical weapons.

    Of course opposition MP's vent. That's all they can really do. Do you think that some unbeknownst truth will be outed by the Labour member for Dunny-on-the-Wold getting their chance to quiz the PM? Nope. Every question from every MP will be answered by the same answer. And our collective understanding of the issue will increase by zero.
    Evil exists because of the moral imbecility of people like you. There's the Fuhrer, in your view, and there's venters, and you know where your loyalty is.

    Well done.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    This is the first time in our country’s history that a Prime Minister has been found guilty of breaking the law - at a time when Britain made unimaginable sacrifices.

    And then lied about it.

    Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak have dishonoured their office.

    They must resign.
    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1513979587239333892/video/1
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Macron's "mais vous êtes fou ou quoi?" could be his Mrs Duffy moment.

    Moments don't effect campaigns, though they might embody them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    dixiedean said:

    Chelsea do lead now

    Unbelievable. Apparently Real have never lost at home by more than one goal to an English side in the champions league. If the hang on it’s some result. Although real did lose el Classico 4-0 recently.
    And they didn't.
    Cursed it...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2022

    Perhaps apropos?

    Politico.com - South Dakota attorney general impeached over fatal crash
    Jason Ravnsborg will at least temporarily be removed from office pending the historic [state] Senate trial, where it takes a two-thirds majority to convict on impeachment charges.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/12/south-dakota-attorney-general-impeached-crash-00024743

    In 2003 former Gov. and US Rep. Bill Janklow (R-SD) was tried & convicted of vehicular manslaughter.

    Note that South Dakota is a LARGE sparsely-populated state. So people drive FAST. Especially politicos heading home from political events. And too often with more than gasoline filling their tanks.

    BTW, at time of Janklow case, local Indians maintained it was NOT first time he'd killed someone while DUI.

    Just first time he'd done it to a White man.

    The most unbelievable thing about the story was just getting away with a fine to begin with given how clearly his story ("Thought I hit an animal") was an obvious pack of lies.

    EDIT: The about face from the state GOP is weird. I wonder if Ravnsborg has lost an internal power struggle.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    I wonder if that interior designer person has copped a fine. Wasn't she carrying Bozo's cake?

    In her case, she'd just have to sell a chair. In fact she probably doesn't sell one of those lace arm coverings for less than a Covid fine.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Roger said:

    I wonder how Allegra is feeling tonight.

    Poor old Allegra has lost more than any of them and in my opinion her only crime was choosing an awful boss.
    I hope she didn't let him...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    kle4 said:

    Macron's "mais vous êtes fou ou quoi?" could be his Mrs Duffy moment.

    Moments don't effect campaigns, though they might embody them.
    Its effect might affect the campaign.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    Roger said:

    I wonder how Allegra is feeling tonight.

    Poor old Allegra has lost more than any of them and in my opinion her only crime was choosing an awful boss.
    No sympathy.
    Everyone dealing with Boris knows what they are getting into; and if not they are too stupid to do any role anyway.
    She could have been in the running to be BBC pol editor if she hadn't be dazzled by the bright lights of Downing Street.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Sting's 2022 version of "Russians":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w3037nq23o
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,217
    edited April 2022
    geoffw said:

    kle4 said:

    Macron's "mais vous êtes fou ou quoi?" could be his Mrs Duffy moment.

    Moments don't effect campaigns, though they might embody them.
    Its effect might affect the campaign.

    Yes, though it could go either way.

    Part of Gordon's problem was that he saved the insult for after the encounter when he thought the mic was off.

    Macron at least had the chops to criticise someone to their face. And he's not wrong, is he?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Roger said:

    I wonder how Allegra is feeling tonight.

    Poor old Allegra has lost more than any of them and in my opinion her only crime was choosing an awful boss.
    No sympathy.
    Everyone dealing with Boris knows what they are getting into; and if not they are too stupid to do any role anyway.
    She could have been in the running to be BBC pol editor if she hadn't be dazzled by the bright lights of Downing Street.
    Yes. She would have been a vast improvement on the incumbent (although I don’t seek to damn Allegra by very faint praise).
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Alistair said:

    Perhaps apropos?

    Politico.com - South Dakota attorney general impeached over fatal crash
    Jason Ravnsborg will at least temporarily be removed from office pending the historic [state] Senate trial, where it takes a two-thirds majority to convict on impeachment charges.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/12/south-dakota-attorney-general-impeached-crash-00024743

    In 2003 former Gov. and US Rep. Bill Janklow (R-SD) was tried & convicted of vehicular manslaughter.

    Note that South Dakota is a LARGE sparsely-populated state. So people drive FAST. Especially politicos heading home from political events. And too often with more than gasoline filling their tanks.

    BTW, at time of Janklow case, local Indians maintained it was NOT first time he'd killed someone while DUI.

    Just first time he'd done it to a White man.

    The most unbelievable thing about the story was just getting away with a fine to begin with given how clearly his story ("Thought I hit an animal") was an obvious pack of lies.

    EDIT: The about face from the state GOP is weird. I wonder if Ravnsborg has lost an internal power struggle.
    Lost that I'm guessing, and also (or rather just before) with likely SD voters in private GOP polling
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Even if Bozo sticks around then the chances of him leading the Tories into the next GE are diminished.

    Perhaps a backroom deal where he agrees to go next year in return for no VONC now?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Anyone just craving some boring, dull times for a while? Feels like everything has been running at max for years, maybe since 2016?
    I’m knackered.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,650

    Anyone just craving some boring, dull times for a while? Feels like everything has been running at max for years, maybe since 2016?
    I’m knackered.

    That was a party political broadcast by the Labour Party.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited April 2022
    Why does Rishi claim in his apology that as a public official he has been treated “stringently”?

    He really thinks laws - and taxes - are for little people, doesn’t he?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Even if Bozo sticks around then the chances of him leading the Tories into the next GE are diminished.

    Perhaps a backroom deal where he agrees to go next year in return for no VONC now?

    He doesn't need to concede owt to the spineless bunch behind him.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Jonathan said:

    Anyone just craving some boring, dull times for a while? Feels like everything has been running at max for years, maybe since 2016?
    I’m knackered.

    That was a party political broadcast by the Labour Party.
    Ha! Good one. I’d vote for that right now.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    geoffw said:

    kle4 said:

    Macron's "mais vous êtes fou ou quoi?" could be his Mrs Duffy moment.

    Moments don't effect campaigns, though they might embody them.
    Its effect might affect the campaign.

    Yes, though it could go either way.

    Part of Gordon's problem was that he saved the insult for after the encounter when he thought the mic was off.

    Macron at least had the chops to criticise someone to their face. And he's not wrong, is he?
    It was only meant to teach the difference between affect and effect tbh.
    But I agree with you that it could be positive, after all Macron, right or wrong, is engaging with a voter.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Even if Bozo sticks around then the chances of him leading the Tories into the next GE are diminished.

    Perhaps a backroom deal where he agrees to go next year in return for no VONC now?

    Lol. He’s going nowhere. The PCP are spineless cowards, and have no leader-in-waiting. What a pathetic spectacle they are.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
    I'm sorry I misunderstand. Are you equating a Birthday party contravening COVID restrictions and subsequently attracting a Fixed Penalty Notice to chid pornography or the Holocaust? I think you are getting things a little out of perspective and need a lie-down.

    We are talking about Ukraine if you remember. And the recall of parliament to discuss the alleged (or actual) use of biological/chemical weapons.

    Of course opposition MP's vent. That's all they can really do. Do you think that some unbeknownst truth will be outed by the Labour member for Dunny-on-the-Wold getting their chance to quiz the PM? Nope. Every question from every MP will be answered by the same answer. And our collective understanding of the issue will increase by zero.
    Evil exists because of the moral imbecility of people like you. There's the Fuhrer, in your view, and there's venters, and you know where your loyalty is.

    Well done.
    You are becoming increasingly ridiculous. If at any moment I thought an opposition MP could prevent "evil" as you so put it then I would be cheering them on. But we're not talking "evil" here are we? We're talking about a fine.

    So go on. Tell me then. What would the Labour Honourable member for Dunny-on-the-Wold asking the PM a particularly well crafted question bring to this whole saga? Do you some how think the question would be so earth-shatteringly probing and explosive that the PM would hold his hands up and admit defeat to the obvious genius of the MP, or will it be hour after hour of rinse repeat bullshit.

    It's not party political. Conservative MP's from 1997 to 2010 were as useful to the running of the country as a chocolate teapot. That's what opposition really means facing a large government majority. You're a clever chap. Apparently. So I fail to see why you don't get this obvious and fundamental point.

    Keep insulting me if it makes you feel better though.

  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    Why does Rishi claim in his apology that as a public official he has been treated “stringently”?

    He really thinks laws - and taxes - are for little people, doesn’t he?

    Obviously not!

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    edited April 2022

    Why does Rishi claim in his apology that as a public official he has been treated “stringently”?

    He really thinks laws - and taxes - are for little people, doesn’t he?

    In a sense he has. If the event had been interrupted at the time the police would have advised them against doing what they were doing and there the matter would have rested. I don’t imagine any other historic minor infractions are being investigated. Not saying that these ones shouldn’t be, to be clear, but it’s rather a special case.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    Even if Bozo sticks around then the chances of him leading the Tories into the next GE are diminished.

    Perhaps a backroom deal where he agrees to go next year in return for no VONC now?

    We'll know more after the locals.

    If it is the fecking shellacking I am hoping for, then maybe you are right.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    "Boris Johnson fined for lockdown breaches" (as quoted from Politico) has odd ring in American ears.

    To extent we know who he is (far from universal) the last word suggest (to us in US) that he was wearing some kind of especially outlandish knee pants (like English forced Americans to wear before the Revolution) during COVID lockdown. For reasons best known to himself? But clearly upsetting to his countrymen and (esp?) women.

    All-too-revealing Capri pants? Bottomless bloomers? The sick mind boggles!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    America is a Nation that can be defined in a single word according to Biden

    https://twitter.com/RadVanMan/status/1512483742471888896
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

    image

    Post the Brexit vote you were PB's voice of reason. A poster who had an opinion always worthy of a read. What happened?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I wonder if that interior designer person has copped a fine. Wasn't she carrying Bozo's cake?

    In her case, she'd just have to sell a chair. In fact she probably doesn't sell one of those lace arm coverings for less than a Covid fine.
    Doily is the word! Brings back childhood memories. Though love Canadian varient: anti-macassar.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Just discovered my sister-in-law works on the team responsible for assessing whether COVID fixed penalty notices should be handed out.
    I suspect she enjoyed her job more recently.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Even if Bozo sticks around then the chances of him leading the Tories into the next GE are diminished.

    Perhaps a backroom deal where he agrees to go next year in return for no VONC now?

    We'll know more after the locals.

    If it is the fecking shellacking I am hoping for, then maybe you are right.
    It won't be.
    There are many for whom Boris can do no wrong. They'll vote enthusiastically.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    dixiedean said:

    Even if Bozo sticks around then the chances of him leading the Tories into the next GE are diminished.

    Perhaps a backroom deal where he agrees to go next year in return for no VONC now?

    We'll know more after the locals.

    If it is the fecking shellacking I am hoping for, then maybe you are right.
    It won't be.
    There are many for whom Boris can do no wrong. They'll vote enthusiastically.
    Must be a dwindling number of those though, surely?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    "Boris Johnson fined for lockdown breaches" (as quoted from Politico) has odd ring in American ears.

    To extent we know who he is (far from universal) the last word suggest (to us in US) that he was wearing some kind of especially outlandish knee pants (like English forced Americans to wear before the Revolution) during COVID lockdown. For reasons best known to himself? But clearly upsetting to his countrymen and (esp?) women.

    All-too-revealing Capri pants? Bottomless bloomers? The sick mind boggles!

    'Lockdown' breaches - perhaps Carrie commissioned those specially with a padlock to prevent extra-curricular adventures.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    moonshine said:

    darkage said:

    Leon said:

    Australia, Britain and the United States have asked Japan to join the security pact AUKUS, Sankei newspaper reported, citing multiple government sources..

    https://twitter.com/kantarokomiya/status/1513852005852540930

    It will have to be JAUKUS

    WTF?

    Tho maybe that works: JOKERS, or are we joking? Care to guess, Vladimir?

    More seriously, AUKUS begins to look like the future of the geopolitical world: it is the west plus Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, it is the liberal democracies versus Russia/China. This is the new Cold War
    A thought came to my mind today.
    Perhaps if this happens: a sort of JAUKUSNATO against China, Russia .... er Syria, and whatever other unfortunate dictatorships they can blackmail.... is that really such a bad thing ? Would we not just go back to the cold war again. That seems to have some appeal as a relatively stable situation, compared with how things are at the moment.
    James Bond would find a new purpose at least
    The thing about the Cold War is that ultimately both sides were pretty rational, even restrained - often all kinds of obtuse, stubborn, manipulative, etc., but not bonkers. It was in retrospect never seriously likely that Brezhnev was going to attack Germany, or Nixon attack Poland. A Cold War with Putin, Xi and maybe Trump would be rather less reasssuring.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited April 2022
    Real Madrid lead in the tie 5 - 4
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Lol.

    Hopefully Madrid will get another now and ensure Chelsea’s departure.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
    I'm sorry I misunderstand. Are you equating a Birthday party contravening COVID restrictions and subsequently attracting a Fixed Penalty Notice to chid pornography or the Holocaust? I think you are getting things a little out of perspective and need a lie-down.

    We are talking about Ukraine if you remember. And the recall of parliament to discuss the alleged (or actual) use of biological/chemical weapons.

    Of course opposition MP's vent. That's all they can really do. Do you think that some unbeknownst truth will be outed by the Labour member for Dunny-on-the-Wold getting their chance to quiz the PM? Nope. Every question from every MP will be answered by the same answer. And our collective understanding of the issue will increase by zero.
    Evil exists because of the moral imbecility of people like you. There's the Fuhrer, in your view, and there's venters, and you know where your loyalty is.

    Well done.
    You are becoming increasingly ridiculous. If at any moment I thought an opposition MP could prevent "evil" as you so put it then I would be cheering them on. But we're not talking "evil" here are we? We're talking about a fine.

    So go on. Tell me then. What would the Labour Honourable member for Dunny-on-the-Wold asking the PM a particularly well crafted question bring to this whole saga? Do you some how think the question would be so earth-shatteringly probing and explosive that the PM would hold his hands up and admit defeat to the obvious genius of the MP, or will it be hour after hour of rinse repeat bullshit.

    It's not party political. Conservative MP's from 1997 to 2010 were as useful to the running of the country as a chocolate teapot. That's what opposition really means facing a large government majority. You're a clever chap. Apparently. So I fail to see why you don't get this obvious and fundamental point.

    Keep insulting me if it makes you feel better though.

    What is this absolutely hilarious Dunny on the Wold stuff? You don't realise it, but your point is that the little people don't count and it is ridiculous to think that they do. You are a moral and intellectual vacuum, and part of the reason why evil triumphs when it does.

    And too stupid to understand any of that.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

    image

    Post the Brexit vote you were PB's voice of reason. A poster who had an opinion always worthy of a read. What happened?
    He’s regressed to his a pro-Trump persona. William is a strange old cove.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    geoffw said:

    kle4 said:

    Macron's "mais vous êtes fou ou quoi?" could be his Mrs Duffy moment.

    Moments don't effect campaigns, though they might embody them.
    Its effect might affect the campaign.

    The moment an election is called effects the campaign, surely?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

    image

    Post the Brexit vote you were PB's voice of reason. A poster who had an opinion always worthy of a read. What happened?
    He’s regressed to his a pro-Trump persona. William is a strange old cove.
    Williamglenn has always enjoyed taking a totally unequivocal stance and arguing eloquently against all comers.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Johnson's defence seems to have reverted back to the 'I did not understand the rules I introduced and went on TV every night at 5pm to explain to the public'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Why does Rishi claim in his apology that as a public official he has been treated “stringently”?

    He really thinks laws - and taxes - are for little people, doesn’t he?

    Because he’s an entitled fncker.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
    I'm sorry I misunderstand. Are you equating a Birthday party contravening COVID restrictions and subsequently attracting a Fixed Penalty Notice to chid pornography or the Holocaust? I think you are getting things a little out of perspective and need a lie-down.

    We are talking about Ukraine if you remember. And the recall of parliament to discuss the alleged (or actual) use of biological/chemical weapons.

    Of course opposition MP's vent. That's all they can really do. Do you think that some unbeknownst truth will be outed by the Labour member for Dunny-on-the-Wold getting their chance to quiz the PM? Nope. Every question from every MP will be answered by the same answer. And our collective understanding of the issue will increase by zero.
    Evil exists because of the moral imbecility of people like you. There's the Fuhrer, in your view, and there's venters, and you know where your loyalty is.

    Well done.
    You are becoming increasingly ridiculous. If at any moment I thought an opposition MP could prevent "evil" as you so put it then I would be cheering them on. But we're not talking "evil" here are we? We're talking about a fine.

    So go on. Tell me then. What would the Labour Honourable member for Dunny-on-the-Wold asking the PM a particularly well crafted question bring to this whole saga? Do you some how think the question would be so earth-shatteringly probing and explosive that the PM would hold his hands up and admit defeat to the obvious genius of the MP, or will it be hour after hour of rinse repeat bullshit.

    It's not party political. Conservative MP's from 1997 to 2010 were as useful to the running of the country as a chocolate teapot. That's what opposition really means facing a large government majority. You're a clever chap. Apparently. So I fail to see why you don't get this obvious and fundamental point.

    Keep insulting me if it makes you feel better though.

    What is this absolutely hilarious Dunny on the Wold stuff? You don't realise it, but your point is that the little people don't count and it is ridiculous to think that they do. You are a moral and intellectual vacuum, and part of the reason why evil triumphs when it does.

    And too stupid to understand any of that.
    It's obvious you have nothing to say other than flinging insults so I sincerely hope you manage to address whatever personal issue you are struggling with soon. All the best with it and I'm sure things will get better eventually!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Johnson's defence seems to have reverted back to the 'I did not understand the rules I introduced and went on TV every night at 5pm to explain to the public'

    It's foolproof, if everyone in the country is an idiot.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    kle4 said:

    Thank god his wife wasn't at one of the parties, or we'd see him whinging about her getting an FPN as well.
    Will credit Mrs Sunak with sufficient good taste NOT to hang out with Boris & Carrie, wallpaper & all.

    For fun anyway.
    Was it Oscar Wilde whose last words were 'Either the wallpaper goes or I do"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    53m
    Thd problem with this is the “reformed No.10” line doesn’t wash any more. As we now know, the problem wasn’t No.10 letting down the Prime Minister. The problem was the Prime Minister letting down the Prime Minister.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1513974263224668164
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Johnson's defence seems to have reverted back to the 'I did not understand the rules I introduced and went on TV every night at 5pm to explain to the public'

    It's foolproof, if everyone in the country is an idiot.
    In his defence I was never convinced he knew what he was talking about at the time...
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Nigelb said:

    At same conference, Putin called #RussianWarCrimes in 🇺🇦Bucha the same "fake" as accusations of int'l organizations of Assad's use of chemical weapons in Syria, which 🇷🇺 attempted to portray as USA airstrike

    Lukashenka called the #BuchaMassacre a "special operation" by the UK

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1513946856279130122

    Makes you proud that we are singled out. Must be doing something right.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
    I'm sorry I misunderstand. Are you equating a Birthday party contravening COVID restrictions and subsequently attracting a Fixed Penalty Notice to chid pornography or the Holocaust? I think you are getting things a little out of perspective and need a lie-down.

    We are talking about Ukraine if you remember. And the recall of parliament to discuss the alleged (or actual) use of biological/chemical weapons.

    Of course opposition MP's vent. That's all they can really do. Do you think that some unbeknownst truth will be outed by the Labour member for Dunny-on-the-Wold getting their chance to quiz the PM? Nope. Every question from every MP will be answered by the same answer. And our collective understanding of the issue will increase by zero.
    Evil exists because of the moral imbecility of people like you. There's the Fuhrer, in your view, and there's venters, and you know where your loyalty is.

    Well done.
    You are becoming increasingly ridiculous. If at any moment I thought an opposition MP could prevent "evil" as you so put it then I would be cheering them on. But we're not talking "evil" here are we? We're talking about a fine.

    So go on. Tell me then. What would the Labour Honourable member for Dunny-on-the-Wold asking the PM a particularly well crafted question bring to this whole saga? Do you some how think the question would be so earth-shatteringly probing and explosive that the PM would hold his hands up and admit defeat to the obvious genius of the MP, or will it be hour after hour of rinse repeat bullshit.

    It's not party political. Conservative MP's from 1997 to 2010 were as useful to the running of the country as a chocolate teapot. That's what opposition really means facing a large government majority. You're a clever chap. Apparently. So I fail to see why you don't get this obvious and fundamental point.

    Keep insulting me if it makes you feel better though.

    What is this absolutely hilarious Dunny on the Wold stuff? You don't realise it, but your point is that the little people don't count and it is ridiculous to think that they do. You are a moral and intellectual vacuum, and part of the reason why evil triumphs when it does.

    And too stupid to understand any of that.
    It's obvious you have nothing to say other than flinging insults so I sincerely hope you manage to address whatever personal issue you are struggling with soon. All the best with it and I'm sure things will get better eventually!
    No. I am not saying that you are stupid as a debating point but because you are, actually, stupid. And, like all stupid people, too stupid to understand how stupid you are.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Listened to the Boris statement.

    Short précis:
    “Having been proved a liar and scofflaw, I feel an even greater sense of obligation to cling on to office.”
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421
    Roger said:

    kle4 said:

    Thank god his wife wasn't at one of the parties, or we'd see him whinging about her getting an FPN as well.
    Will credit Mrs Sunak with sufficient good taste NOT to hang out with Boris & Carrie, wallpaper & all.

    For fun anyway.
    Was it Oscar Wilde whose last words were 'Either the wallpaper goes or I do"
    Was that not Napoleon?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Johnson's defence seems to have reverted back to the 'I did not understand the rules I introduced and went on TV every night at 5pm to explain to the public'

    It's foolproof, if everyone in the country is an idiot.
    Nah, needs 15-20% to be idiots, and another 15-20% to not care if the PM is a liar if he is on their side. Both are true.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Meanwhile...


    "As Russia’s war of aggression continues to ravage its neighbor, the Kremlin’s propaganda apparatus has been more blatant than ever in outlining the country’s goals for its biggest nemesis: the U.S.

    Last week, American intelligence officials reportedly assessed that Russian President Vladimir Putin may use the Biden administration’s support for Ukraine as a pretext to order a new campaign to interfere in U.S. elections. Though AP reported that “it is not yet clear which candidates Russia might try to promote or what methods it might use,” Russian state media seem to be in agreement that former U.S. President Donald Trump remains Moscow’s candidate of choice."

    " “Tulsi Gabbard would also be great. Maybe Trump will take her as his vice-president?” "

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-state-media-airs-its-ultimate-revenge-plan-for-2024-us-presidential-elections
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

    image

    Post the Brexit vote you were PB's voice of reason. A poster who had an opinion always worthy of a read. What happened?
    He’s regressed to his a pro-Trump persona. William is a strange old cove.
    Williamglenn has always enjoyed taking a totally unequivocal stance and arguing eloquently against all comers.
    Then pivoting. To argue the complete opposite.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

    image

    Post the Brexit vote you were PB's voice of reason. A poster who had an opinion always worthy of a read. What happened?
    Why don't you state what is wrong with @williamglenn pointing out what might be a gaffe by Macron given he already has a reputation as a stuck up arrogant pr1ck?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

    image

    Post the Brexit vote you were PB's voice of reason. A poster who had an opinion always worthy of a read. What happened?
    He’s regressed to his a pro-Trump persona. William is a strange old cove.
    He has far more interesting things to say than you, pal.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Scott_xP said:

    Mea culpa

    I didn't think I could hate these fuckers more than I already did.

    I was wrong.

    Bit harsh on Real Madrid tbh.
  • The Tories have done a superb job of putting this back into the news
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,639
    Nigelb said:

    Listened to the Boris statement.

    Short précis:
    “Having been proved a liar and scofflaw, I feel an even greater sense of obligation to cling on to office.”

    It was him trying to supress a smirk while "apologising" that pissed me off today.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    I wonder if that interior designer person has copped a fine. Wasn't she carrying Bozo's cake?

    In her case, she'd just have to sell a chair. In fact she probably doesn't sell one of those lace arm coverings for less than a Covid fine.
    Doily is the word! Brings back childhood memories. Though love Canadian varient: anti-macassar.
    The latter was to protect the upholstery from hair oil. Surely it was of Victorian English origin, not Canadian though ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Someone who voted for Macron in 2017 tells him that he's never seen such a rubbish president and calls him a Machiavellian liar. He says he'll vote for Le Pen this time having never voted for her before. Macron responds by saying he has bad arguments and suggests he's crazy.

    https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1513960620747640833

    image

    Post the Brexit vote you were PB's voice of reason. A poster who had an opinion always worthy of a read. What happened?
    He transformed into a poster who has well-formed opinions that piss you off.

    Might want to consider whether it is actually you that has changed?
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    What fucking wankers this government is, sacrificing Ukraine for their own benefit.

    I understand there were discussions in government this week about bringing back Parliament asap because of potential chemical weapons use in Ukraine

    Now not possible because they’d get questions about Partygate fines


    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1513887346999140353

    I doubt whether anyone in the Government has said that. Just journalist 1+1=3.

    If chemical weapons have been used in Ukraine (and I have no reason to believe they haven't), and whatever teams are out there at the moment trying to prove it one way or another come to the conclusion they have, I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled. And any MP using the time allocated to Ukraine to ask about FPN's should seriously re-assess their priorities.

    The actual wankers are those using the cloak of Ukraine to get a chance to have a pop at their boogie-man.

    Parliament will be recalled soon. I'm sure any questions can wait and they will be asked. The issue isn't going away.
    And I am sure you are sure of all that because you are sure Boris is a fundamentally decent chap. And you are sure of that because you are a fucking banana.
    Ah, a nice sensible reply. I have no idea whether he is a decent chap or not. I don't know him. I assume you do?
    No, numptoid. I judge the decency or otherwise of people by what they do, and I know a lot about what johnson does without having met him. How hard to understand is that?

    You say "I'm sure Parliament (if it's not sitting) will be recalled." Do you know whose decision that is? Sole decision?

    Thought not.
    Continue with the insults - it's funny. Says more about you than me.

    Anyhow I'm very much aware of who recalls Parliament thank-you. And I reiterate if the use of chemical/biological weapons is proven when Parliament is in recess I am sure it would be recalled. Why would you recall Parliament if those facts hadn't been established? For what purpose would that serve?

    Or do you just want Parliament to be recalled so MP's can vent at Johnson (for that's all it would be for), under the guise of it being for Ukraine?
    Cock-gobbling waffle. If you think that wanting the HoC to be able to hold the PM to account for lying to it is "venting" you just don't exist as a morally autonomous human being at all. Do you also think that being opposed to hardcore child porn, say, or the holocaust, is "venting"? Can you, before we go any further, explain in plain English exactly what you mean by "venting"?
    I'm sorry I misunderstand. Are you equating a Birthday party contravening COVID restrictions and subsequently attracting a Fixed Penalty Notice to chid pornography or the Holocaust? I think you are getting things a little out of perspective and need a lie-down.

    We are talking about Ukraine if you remember. And the recall of parliament to discuss the alleged (or actual) use of biological/chemical weapons.

    Of course opposition MP's vent. That's all they can really do. Do you think that some unbeknownst truth will be outed by the Labour member for Dunny-on-the-Wold getting their chance to quiz the PM? Nope. Every question from every MP will be answered by the same answer. And our collective understanding of the issue will increase by zero.
    Evil exists because of the moral imbecility of people like you. There's the Fuhrer, in your view, and there's venters, and you know where your loyalty is.

    Well done.
    You are becoming increasingly ridiculous. If at any moment I thought an opposition MP could prevent "evil" as you so put it then I would be cheering them on. But we're not talking "evil" here are we? We're talking about a fine.

    So go on. Tell me then. What would the Labour Honourable member for Dunny-on-the-Wold asking the PM a particularly well crafted question bring to this whole saga? Do you some how think the question would be so earth-shatteringly probing and explosive that the PM would hold his hands up and admit defeat to the obvious genius of the MP, or will it be hour after hour of rinse repeat bullshit.

    It's not party political. Conservative MP's from 1997 to 2010 were as useful to the running of the country as a chocolate teapot. That's what opposition really means facing a large government majority. You're a clever chap. Apparently. So I fail to see why you don't get this obvious and fundamental point.

    Keep insulting me if it makes you feel better though.

    What is this absolutely hilarious Dunny on the Wold stuff? You don't realise it, but your point is that the little people don't count and it is ridiculous to think that they do. You are a moral and intellectual vacuum, and part of the reason why evil triumphs when it does.

    And too stupid to understand any of that.
    It's obvious you have nothing to say other than flinging insults so I sincerely hope you manage to address whatever personal issue you are struggling with soon. All the best with it and I'm sure things will get better eventually!
    No. I am not saying that you are stupid as a debating point but because you are, actually, stupid. And, like all stupid people, too stupid to understand how stupid you are.
    Very good!!! You yourself are obviously someone of high intellectual calibre! Anyway, go away thinking I'm stupid if it makes you feel better. Small things please small minds after all.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    edited April 2022

    Johnson's defence seems to have reverted back to the 'I did not understand the rules I introduced and went on TV every night at 5pm to explain to the public'

    It's foolproof, if everyone in the country is an idiot.
    Nah, needs 15-20% to be idiots, and another 15-20% to not care if the PM is a liar if he is on their side. Both are true.
    Yes that point is ill understood on here. Something about being a party member and super-engaged I think.

    Speaking personally, I voted for Blair when I was sure he’d lied to parliament and something dodgy had happened with honours. I voted for Clegg’s mob after what they did on tuition fees. I voted for Brexit when it headlined by people I dislike. I voted for Boris even when I thought him to be a [redacted] because of Brexit. I could vote for him again or I could vote for Starmer.

    I don’t mind my PM being a cad if he’s a useful cad. Gladstone was. Lloyd-George definitely was. As was Churchill.

    It’s all quite open in the real world.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    edited April 2022
    SKS fans please explain Green up, Tories up, LD uo


    @YouGov
    Latest Westminster voting intention (fieldwork: 6-7 April)

    Conservative: 34% (+1 from 29-30 Mar)
    Labour: 37% (n/c)
    Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
    Green: 7% (+1)
    Reform UK: 4% (-1)
    SNP: 4% (-2)
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