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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    WT actual F!!!!!!


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    Staggering quote from
    @ShippersUnbound
    column: “He [Rishi Sunak] thinks Putin will still be there and that there will have to be a deal with him and if that’s the case is it really worth the pain to the economy?”.

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1512855291376902148

    Wow. Did Rishi say this in an on-the-record interview, or is it something he secretly confided with Boris that somehow - astonishingly - got leaked out?
    We await the S Times tomorrow for the full story I guess.

    We will all have to review our next tory leader bets I think after Sunak's week from hell.
    Given Sunak's role in delaying effective action to slow the second wave in autumn 2020, this really doesn't surprise me as much as it should.
    Yes, him putting the demonstrably wrong Gupta (we've all secretly had Covid) and Heneghan (second wave, i see no second wave) in the room with Johnson should have already been disqualifying.
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    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    I certainly don't realise it. In fact I'm somewhat at a loss as why it would be creepy in the context offered. Perhaps you could explain it - genuine request.
    I'm not sure he even understands himself why he is so triggered by the way you refer to someone he doesn't know and who is none of his business.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Eabhal said:

    On the Sunak/appeasement/economy thing:

    That's precisely what I'd want from a Chancellor if I was PM. I'd want full-fat war mongering from Defense, a big bucket of cold water from the Treasury.

    I reckon this is typical Cabinet level debate, and the headline is a bit unfair.

    How he made the point is rather significant. Pointing out the cost of anything, no issue. If he's arguing to do as little as possible because of a bit of economic damage, that's open to criticism, though he is free to have an opinion on it.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,639
    "Shanghai residents revolt over Zero Covid lockdown: Videos shows mobs looting stores for food after being confined to their homes for 22 days

    Panic-buying turns into looting at supply points as residents fight for food
    Locals also seen breaking Covid barriers which stop them going between streets
    Severe lockdown has failed to curb Covid cases as Omicron prompts case record
    Shanghai had 23,600 new cases Friday - and official data likely understating it
    Infected babies and under-7s taken by docs and separated from their parents"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10702811/Shanghai-residents-revolt-Zero-Covid-lockdown-Videos-shows-mobs-looting-stores-urgent-food.html
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Oryx now has 2,702 confirmed losses of Russian kit, including 456 tanks.

    That’s 15% of the tanks the Russian army claims to have. In six weeks.

    The Ukranian kill claim is 700 tanks, 22% of Russian tanks.

    If we are generous and say that Russia can field half the number of tanks they say they have (look at all the WWII relics and unserviceable crap we have seen), and they’ve lost 30-40% of their tanks already. Give it a couple of months more, and they won’t have any left!
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,905
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the Sunak/appeasement/economy thing:

    That's precisely what I'd want from a Chancellor if I was PM. I'd want full-fat war mongering from Defense, a big bucket of cold water from the Treasury.

    I reckon this is typical Cabinet level debate, and the headline is a bit unfair.

    How he made the point is rather significant. Pointing out the cost of anything, no issue. If he's arguing to do as little as possible because of a bit of economic damage, that's open to criticism, though he is free to have an opinion on it.
    I'd want him to say it even if he didn't think it himself.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    I certainly don't realise it. In fact I'm somewhat at a loss as why it would be creepy in the context offered. Perhaps you could explain it - genuine request.
    Twee and patronising, and I am against 7 [?] year old children being rolled out day after day as talking points on chat rooms, pseudonymously or not.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,580
    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.
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    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Entertainingly off-topic but we've decided we want to open a cafe. We own (one of) the former bank(s) in the village, there's a decent catchment, the previous cafe shut 6 years ago when the owners retired and is still talked about, and we've had a neb round various other similar establishments and looks like a good idea.

    OK so I'm going to be busy (I'm about to be London-based half the week managing my soon to be former client's new UK business) but figure that as no rent is payable can afford to employ people. Have started building the business plan and the profit margins on some of these items are daft.

    Just need to tackle the council's planning people. No physical alterations to the building needed inside or out, but its listed and the planning portal suggests even a change of use needs plans to show the non-work I plan on doing...

    The plans will need to show the internal layout - number of seats, kitchen equipment including vent ducting etc - and any external signage attached to the building. You might also need to show you have places for people to park, depending on the precise location and how anal the council are about these things. The margins can seem daft, but there’s lots of wastage and the staff costs can add up. That said, with no rent it should be possible to make a decent business out of it. Good luck! :+1:
    Thanks - am going to speak to the local planning office and get an understanding from them what they need. Ducting? We're golden. Food prep will be in the former comms room and there is an existing extraction fan. Simply replace with a modern one with no holes needing to be cut. Clearly they'll need to look at parking for the change of use application.

    We're on the main road and there is on street parking and a layby across the road. We get an eclectic mix of people parking outside - from cars to HGVs to mahoosive Clarson-sized tractors. Suspect they will want to consider that as part of the change of use application, but as there was no parking when it was a bank and the new shop across the road (shop converted to house reconverted to shop) also has on street parking only.

    What I am trying to get my head around is disabled access. There is an existing ramp to the front door, but the toilets are down a wheelchair unfriendly corridor having gone up two small steps. Realistically that isn't something that can be changed. I know plenty of existing premises with wholly inaccessible toilets so I know it isn't a barrier. However, the rear fire door is also up those two steps. Was open as a bank til 2016 so was in code back then, wonder what may have changed...
    I'm just funding someone through the last parts of getting a health food cafe up and running.

    Points (from English context):

    1 - The food hygiene requirements are fearsome in terms of time to learn.
    2 - Take a careful look at use classes. Down here this was loosened up recently, in the teeth of all kind of 'activist' organisations who wanted the opportunity to stop things they did not like. Has Scotland followed?
    3 - There's lots of startup support around down here. But quite modest levels.
    4 - Important to have commercial equipment for a lot of it. eg Dishwashers need to run at 82C for hygiene otherwise it is a multi-stage hand procedure. Domestics only run at 65-70C.
    5 - Coffee machines are f*cking, f*cking expensive. Many thousands. A surprising amount of people love Galaxy Drinking Chocolate.
    6 - Don't skimp on maintenance agreements for kit.
    7 - I'd punt that you will need to budget 30-70k for investment in the cafe project by the time you get to opening time. We are at about 30-35k after some inexperience errors, but it is in our own gym so things like loos are in place and time has not been charged, and no need for Planning.
    Thanks for the list. Regarding coffee machines and other mega expense items the business plan is to lease them. Why spend £10k on a machine you can rent for £20 a week? That way you can replace with newer technology / fads as they come along.

    We're going to need to do some building work - various areas will need replaster/paint and carpet tiles replaced by vinyl. Thinking stainless steel for all the food prep area which isn't *that* expensive* and if we open with a more daytime coffee / cake / soup / sandwich type menu don't need vast equipment to produce food, at least not initially.

    The food hygiene side doesn't bother me. Having spent 20 years in the food industry and time in allergen-free or at least controlled environments it's not that difficult. I'm more concerned about parts of the building that the hygiene inspector may want faffing with (such as the downstairs storeroom - suspect my "lick of paint" approach won't be enough...)
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,639
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    No to the language police.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Speaking of nonsense, grumbling away in the back of my mind I've started a file of particularly obnoxious oxymorons. It includes "perfect binding", "smart motorway", and "homo sapiens".
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Andy_JS said:

    "Shanghai residents revolt over Zero Covid lockdown: Videos shows mobs looting stores for food after being confined to their homes for 22 days

    Panic-buying turns into looting at supply points as residents fight for food
    Locals also seen breaking Covid barriers which stop them going between streets
    Severe lockdown has failed to curb Covid cases as Omicron prompts case record
    Shanghai had 23,600 new cases Friday - and official data likely understating it
    Infected babies and under-7s taken by docs and separated from their parents"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10702811/Shanghai-residents-revolt-Zero-Covid-lockdown-Videos-shows-mobs-looting-stores-urgent-food.html

    I'm getting dem sell-all-your-equities blues here
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,988
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This quote from @ShippersUnbound on Sunak’s view of Putin & the Ukraine-Russia war (NB the PM is with Zelensky) is quite something. Sunak’s hopes of being leader destroyed by this piece https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sunak-ponders-political-future-as-wife-escapes-downing-street-goldfish-bowl-5gftqcmkk https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1512858888747601923/photo/1

    Rachel Wearmouth joining the Dan Hodges club, of thinking there’s a massive story in the Chancellor pointing out to the Cabinet, the cost to the UK economy of sanctions against Russia. It’s his job to do just that.

    Someone really doesn’t like Sunak, that much is clear.
    Someone racist in the cabinet? Patel? 😁
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,067

    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.

    Has he done enough yet for you to recant about him being a Putin stooge?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,311

    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.

    "I am a Vegan no-chicken Chicken Kyiv!"
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,613
    Andy_JS said:

    "Shanghai residents revolt over Zero Covid lockdown: Videos shows mobs looting stores for food after being confined to their homes for 22 days

    Panic-buying turns into looting at supply points as residents fight for food
    Locals also seen breaking Covid barriers which stop them going between streets
    Severe lockdown has failed to curb Covid cases as Omicron prompts case record
    Shanghai had 23,600 new cases Friday - and official data likely understating it
    Infected babies and under-7s taken by docs and separated from their parents"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10702811/Shanghai-residents-revolt-Zero-Covid-lockdown-Videos-shows-mobs-looting-stores-urgent-food.html

    All three of the Great Powers have now been checked by opponents they're unable to defeat.

    Russia: Ukraine

    China: Covid

    America: America

    https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1512863971916718080
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    edited April 2022

    glw said:

    At a handshake distance. @BorisJohnson and @ZelenskyyUa walked through the center of Kyiv and talked to ordinary Kyivans. This is what democracy looks like. This is what courage looks like. This is what true friendship between peoples and between nations looks like.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1512867082932793347

    Boris Johnson has many flaws which make him unsuitable for the job of Prime Minister, but when it comes to Ukraine he has been right on the money. I'm thankful he is PM not Corbyn.
    Well, right on the money except for the way we have refused to allow refugees in like every other civilised nation in Europe has.

    That bit has been a disgrace.
    Taking refugees is a good thing, and yes we have been slow in that regard, although I suspect in the end we will take many as there are no limits being applied.

    Right now though what Ukraine needs is weapons in order to kill Russians, and the UK has lead the way in that regard. Without those weapons Ukraine will cease to exist. It's inconceivable that Corbyn would have offered Ukraine similar help. We'd be offering sympathy whilst watching the destruction of Ukraine.

    We dodged a bullet in 2019, and if we'd elected Corbyn it may have doomed Ukraine as well.

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Amazing what AI can do these days.






    This is what DALL.E mini produces
    How do you create stuff on DALLE? :curious:
    Go to
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

    And enter text eg Boris or political betting and you get something like this

    The mona lisa with a hat



    Uncanny.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.

    By saying "Ich bin a Berliner" , though well meant, Kennedy was saying "I am a sausage".
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    If Trump gets a 2nd term, NATO is over.




    Matthew Yglesias
    @mattyglesias
    It’s totally possible that tons of senior Republican Party national security officials are all lying about this, but the reason many people think Trump was trying to destroy NATO is all these people who served in his administration say that’s what he was trying to do.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1512796197702049793
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    I certainly don't realise it. In fact I'm somewhat at a loss as why it would be creepy in the context offered. Perhaps you could explain it - genuine request.
    Twee and patronising, and I am against 7 [?] year old children being rolled out day after day as talking points on chat rooms, pseudonymously or not.
    'day after day' ?

    Get over yourself. I am not making him a 'talking point', and neither do I mention him daily.

    But take the context of the post that you evidently found it's usage so 'creepy' in. I went to Gulliver's Land. A children's theme park. it would be much more 'creepy' if I said I spent the day there *without* a child...
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,442
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    On the Sunak/appeasement/economy thing:

    That's precisely what I'd want from a Chancellor if I was PM. I'd want full-fat war mongering from Defense, a big bucket of cold water from the Treasury.

    I reckon this is typical Cabinet level debate, and the headline is a bit unfair.

    How he made the point is rather significant. Pointing out the cost of anything, no issue. If he's arguing to do as little as possible because of a bit of economic damage, that's open to criticism, though he is free to have an opinion on it.
    Highlights why it's important that what happens in Cabinet stays in Cabinet.

    It's right that that perspective was vocalised, as long as it wasn't acted upon.

    So we're back to why is this stuff leaking from Cabinet again?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Toms said:

    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.

    By saying "Ich bin a Berliner" , though well meant, Kennedy was saying "I am a sausage".
    Doughnut I thought?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    Can Vlad hold on until 2025 when his best mate, Trump, can pull US out of NATO and thereby hand the Baltics at the very least over to RU?

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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    I certainly don't realise it. In fact I'm somewhat at a loss as why it would be creepy in the context offered. Perhaps you could explain it - genuine request.
    Twee and patronising, and I am against 7 [?] year old children being rolled out day after day as talking points on chat rooms, pseudonymously or not.
    'day after day' ?

    Get over yourself. I am not making him a 'talking point', and neither do I mention him daily.

    But take the context of the post that you evidently found it's usage so 'creepy' in. I went to Gulliver's Land. A children's theme park. it would be much more 'creepy' if I said I spent the day there *without* a child...
    good point
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    I certainly don't realise it. In fact I'm somewhat at a loss as why it would be creepy in the context offered. Perhaps you could explain it - genuine request.
    Twee and patronising, and I am against 7 [?] year old children being rolled out day after day as talking points on chat rooms, pseudonymously or not.
    People cannot refer to their children? I'd say that is creepier. People post under their own names, or anonymously, some share details of their career, education, gender, others do not. I see no difference in mentioning having a child. I'm not even sure how one could be for or against it - are there other personal details you think people should not share in order to not be creepy?

    As for twee and patronising, that's your own opinion and so fair enough though I don't agree, but what about twee and patronising equals creepy?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082

    If Trump gets a 2nd term, NATO is over.




    Matthew Yglesias
    @mattyglesias
    It’s totally possible that tons of senior Republican Party national security officials are all lying about this, but the reason many people think Trump was trying to destroy NATO is all these people who served in his administration say that’s what he was trying to do.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1512796197702049793

    Though to be fair few countries in NATO were pulling their weight.

    Most of all the one led by GDR Merkel.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,548
    edited April 2022

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Entertainingly off-topic but we've decided we want to open a cafe. We own (one of) the former bank(s) in the village, there's a decent catchment, the previous cafe shut 6 years ago when the owners retired and is still talked about, and we've had a neb round various other similar establishments and looks like a good idea.

    OK so I'm going to be busy (I'm about to be London-based half the week managing my soon to be former client's new UK business) but figure that as no rent is payable can afford to employ people. Have started building the business plan and the profit margins on some of these items are daft.

    Just need to tackle the council's planning people. No physical alterations to the building needed inside or out, but its listed and the planning portal suggests even a change of use needs plans to show the non-work I plan on doing...

    The plans will need to show the internal layout - number of seats, kitchen equipment including vent ducting etc - and any external signage attached to the building. You might also need to show you have places for people to park, depending on the precise location and how anal the council are about these things. The margins can seem daft, but there’s lots of wastage and the staff costs can add up. That said, with no rent it should be possible to make a decent business out of it. Good luck! :+1:
    Thanks - am going to speak to the local planning office and get an understanding from them what they need. Ducting? We're golden. Food prep will be in the former comms room and there is an existing extraction fan. Simply replace with a modern one with no holes needing to be cut. Clearly they'll need to look at parking for the change of use application.

    We're on the main road and there is on street parking and a layby across the road. We get an eclectic mix of people parking outside - from cars to HGVs to mahoosive Clarson-sized tractors. Suspect they will want to consider that as part of the change of use application, but as there was no parking when it was a bank and the new shop across the road (shop converted to house reconverted to shop) also has on street parking only.

    What I am trying to get my head around is disabled access. There is an existing ramp to the front door, but the toilets are down a wheelchair unfriendly corridor having gone up two small steps. Realistically that isn't something that can be changed. I know plenty of existing premises with wholly inaccessible toilets so I know it isn't a barrier. However, the rear fire door is also up those two steps. Was open as a bank til 2016 so was in code back then, wonder what may have changed...
    I'm just funding someone through the last parts of getting a health food cafe up and running.

    Points (from English context):

    1 - The food hygiene requirements are fearsome in terms of time to learn.
    2 - Take a careful look at use classes. Down here this was loosened up recently, in the teeth of all kind of 'activist' organisations who wanted the opportunity to stop things they did not like. Has Scotland followed?
    3 - There's lots of startup support around down here. But quite modest levels.
    4 - Important to have commercial equipment for a lot of it. eg Dishwashers need to run at 82C for hygiene otherwise it is a multi-stage hand procedure. Domestics only run at 65-70C.
    5 - Coffee machines are f*cking, f*cking expensive. Many thousands. A surprising amount of people love Galaxy Drinking Chocolate.
    6 - Don't skimp on maintenance agreements for kit.
    7 - I'd punt that you will need to budget 30-70k for investment in the cafe project by the time you get to opening time. We are at about 30-35k after some inexperience errors, but it is in our own gym so things like loos are in place and time has not been charged, and no need for Planning.
    Thanks for the list. Regarding coffee machines and other mega expense items the business plan is to lease them. Why spend £10k on a machine you can rent for £20 a week? That way you can replace with newer technology / fads as they come along.

    We're going to need to do some building work - various areas will need replaster/paint and carpet tiles replaced by vinyl. Thinking stainless steel for all the food prep area which isn't *that* expensive* and if we open with a more daytime coffee / cake / soup / sandwich type menu don't need vast equipment to produce food, at least not initially.

    The food hygiene side doesn't bother me. Having spent 20 years in the food industry and time in allergen-free or at least controlled environments it's not that difficult. I'm more concerned about parts of the building that the hygiene inspector may want faffing with (such as the downstairs storeroom - suspect my "lick of paint" approach won't be enough...)
    Good stuff - you sound well placed. My person has run a food establishment before (snooker club cafe) but is not up with the business side, and is mainly looking to generate a supplementary income to top up her state pension.

    I doubt you will get a coffee machine for £20 a week, unless you are going for one of those 2 jug filter machines or similar rather than a bean to cup or manual one. I can get one of those free from my local artisan roaster if I buy X amount of coffee, but the clients will want it made fresh.

    I'm actually going to order a decent domestic range from Appliances Direct this w/e.

    (Scones seem to have a good profit margin round here.)
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    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Entertainingly off-topic but we've decided we want to open a cafe. We own (one of) the former bank(s) in the village, there's a decent catchment, the previous cafe shut 6 years ago when the owners retired and is still talked about, and we've had a neb round various other similar establishments and looks like a good idea.

    OK so I'm going to be busy (I'm about to be London-based half the week managing my soon to be former client's new UK business) but figure that as no rent is payable can afford to employ people. Have started building the business plan and the profit margins on some of these items are daft.

    Just need to tackle the council's planning people. No physical alterations to the building needed inside or out, but its listed and the planning portal suggests even a change of use needs plans to show the non-work I plan on doing...

    The plans will need to show the internal layout - number of seats, kitchen equipment including vent ducting etc - and any external signage attached to the building. You might also need to show you have places for people to park, depending on the precise location and how anal the council are about these things. The margins can seem daft, but there’s lots of wastage and the staff costs can add up. That said, with no rent it should be possible to make a decent business out of it. Good luck! :+1:
    Thanks - am going to speak to the local planning office and get an understanding from them what they need. Ducting? We're golden. Food prep will be in the former comms room and there is an existing extraction fan. Simply replace with a modern one with no holes needing to be cut. Clearly they'll need to look at parking for the change of use application.

    We're on the main road and there is on street parking and a layby across the road. We get an eclectic mix of people parking outside - from cars to HGVs to mahoosive Clarson-sized tractors. Suspect they will want to consider that as part of the change of use application, but as there was no parking when it was a bank and the new shop across the road (shop converted to house reconverted to shop) also has on street parking only.

    What I am trying to get my head around is disabled access. There is an existing ramp to the front door, but the toilets are down a wheelchair unfriendly corridor having gone up two small steps. Realistically that isn't something that can be changed. I know plenty of existing premises with wholly inaccessible toilets so I know it isn't a barrier. However, the rear fire door is also up those two steps. Was open as a bank til 2016 so was in code back then, wonder what may have changed...
    I'm just funding someone through the last parts of getting a health food cafe up and running.

    Points (from English context):

    1 - The food hygiene requirements are fearsome in terms of time to learn. This *has* to be right as the results are on the web and a poster in your establishment.
    2 - Take a careful look at use classes. Down here this was loosened up recently, in the teeth of all kind of 'activist' organisations who wanted the opportunity to stop things they did not like. Has Scotland followed?
    3 - There's lots of startup support around down here. But quite modest levels of grant.
    4 - Important to have commercial equipment for a lot of it. eg Dishwashers need to run at 82C for hygiene otherwise it is a multi-stage hand procedure. Domestics only run at 65-70C.
    5 - Coffee machines are f*cking, f*cking expensive. Many thousands. Plus a surprising amount of people love Galaxy Drinking Chocolate.
    6 - Don't skimp on maintenance agreements for kit.
    7 - I'd punt that you will need to budget 30-70k for investment in the cafe project by the time you get to opening time. We are at about 30-35k after some inexperience errors, but it is in our own gym so things like loos are in place and time has not been charged, and no need for Planning.
    8 - Get ovens with catalytic cleaning, if you are not going for a full commercial steam oven.
    9 - Since it is listed are there grants?
    10 - Sweat your council for advice. Disabled access bod, but also the food inspection people, the conservation bod, and the Business Rates people. And talk to them early. Also consider staff requirements - eg do you need a staff lounge?
    Again, appreciate the list. I'm going to approach council bods this week and see if we can draw up a list of the required hoops. That will then allow me to complete a proper business plan with set-up costs based on works needed as well as the ballpark food costs / revenue work already done.

    If only the day job wasn't so intense at the moment. In that London for 2 days with the CEO this next week, hoping that we can finally nail down my contract. We're already ankle deep in recruitment for people to join this new business and its starting to feel very real now I am seeing serious contenders for management roles and getting excited by what they can bring to the team.

    "Why do you want the distraction of a cafe now?" I have been asked? Because after the hell of 2020 and frankly a few years of depression / lethargy before that I'm back firing on all mental cylinders. The building is there and is largely ready (the actual cafe area having been refurbished from the old banking hall last year) - we just need to get started.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,750
    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    edited April 2022
    Sandpit said:

    Oryx now has 2,702 confirmed losses of Russian kit, including 456 tanks.

    That’s 15% of the tanks the Russian army claims to have. In six weeks.

    The Ukranian kill claim is 700 tanks, 22% of Russian tanks.

    If we are generous and say that Russia can field half the number of tanks they say they have (look at all the WWII relics and unserviceable crap we have seen), and they’ve lost 30-40% of their tanks already. Give it a couple of months more, and they won’t have any left!
    Edit: Sorry, for some reason did not see the last para of your post. We are in agreement

    It is in reality much higher than that. Russia committed 1200-1250 tanks, which we were told comprised some 70% of their operational (as opposed to inflated accounting) capability. So really we're talking about (700/1250)*0.7 = 39% or so.

    Any of the numbers is stunning. But 40% in a few weeks!!!
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited April 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    Toms said:

    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.

    By saying "Ich bin a Berliner" , though well meant, Kennedy was saying "I am a sausage".
    Doughnut I thought?
    Yes, my info was flawed. Doughnut would appeal to vegans.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,010

    Nigelb said:

    There is no compromise with this kind of thinking.
    https://twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1512818345489408006
    Medvedev: "A 'completely fake' nation and 'a copy of the Third Reich' that doesn’t deserve to exist."

    Solovyov: “Zelensky is Ukraine’s last president because there won’t be any Ukraine after that.”

    Can we give them everything? The army needed upgrading anyway and the Germans managed with broomsticks.
    A Ukrainian acquaintance on UnTappd (social media for beer nerds) lamenting the loss of a cider orchard to the Terrorussians "...but Russia should not exist anymore".
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    UK must rearm in preparation for losing US from the defence of europe.

    Sunak is the main block as far as I can see.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549

    Can Vlad hold on until 2025 when his best mate, Trump, can pull US out of NATO and thereby hand the Baltics at the very least over to RU?

    I hope not. The sooner those two are dead and buried the better.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,541

    Heathener said:

    Just realised my error. It's 2 years 0 months and 24 days max to the next election.

    It isn't. Parliament can't last more than 5 years which is 17th December 2024. Allow 6 weeks or so of campaign after that and the GE could legally be in February 2025.

    Politically that would be mad, but with this government, who knows.
    yes


    Sec 4 of the Act
    'Automatic dissolution of Parliament after five years

    If it has not been dissolved earlier, a Parliament dissolves at the beginning
    of the day that is the fifth anniversary of the day on which it first met'

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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,988

    If Trump gets a 2nd term, NATO is over.




    Matthew Yglesias
    @mattyglesias
    It’s totally possible that tons of senior Republican Party national security officials are all lying about this, but the reason many people think Trump was trying to destroy NATO is all these people who served in his administration say that’s what he was trying to do.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1512796197702049793

    Though to be fair few countries in NATO were pulling their weight.

    Most of all the one led by GDR Merkel.
    Is it essential that NATO can only exist with the USA as a member?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003

    If Trump gets a 2nd term, NATO is over.




    Matthew Yglesias
    @mattyglesias
    It’s totally possible that tons of senior Republican Party national security officials are all lying about this, but the reason many people think Trump was trying to destroy NATO is all these people who served in his administration say that’s what he was trying to do.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1512796197702049793

    On the other hand, Trump has no values and no standards. If backing NATO helps him get a second term, he will back NATO. He will find changing his mind remarkably easy, as he has no moral or ideological philosophy to stop him. It is about what position will help *him*.

    In a way, Trump has not created the right-wing problems in America. He is a product of those problems, and the fact it created him meant he stoked them. If enough republicans start loving NATO, he will too.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,311
    edited April 2022
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Amazing what AI can do these days.






    This is what DALL.E mini produces
    How do you create stuff on DALLE? :curious:
    Go to
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

    And enter text eg Boris or political betting and you get something like this



    Vote Starmer :lol:

    image
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Toms said:

    Speaking of nonsense, grumbling away in the back of my mind I've started a file of particularly obnoxious oxymorons. It includes "perfect binding", "smart motorway", and "homo sapiens".


    Does town planning quality?
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,010
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    It's a fairly normal term for a child. What's your beef?
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    I certainly don't realise it. In fact I'm somewhat at a loss as why it would be creepy in the context offered. Perhaps you could explain it - genuine request.
    Twee and patronising, and I am against 7 [?] year old children being rolled out day after day as talking points on chat rooms, pseudonymously or not.
    'day after day' ?

    Get over yourself. I am not making him a 'talking point', and neither do I mention him daily.

    But take the context of the post that you evidently found it's usage so 'creepy' in. I went to Gulliver's Land. A children's theme park. it would be much more 'creepy' if I said I spent the day there *without* a child...
    good point
    We’ve all done it, going to a children’s entertainment park without a child. I went to paultons park (it’s a hoot) once and then they had to rebrand it as pepper pig world. But the little ‘uns were very happy with the upgrade.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 3,988

    UK must rearm in preparation for losing US from the defence of europe.

    Sunak is the main block as far as I can see.

    Will he not be on the US side by 2025?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    I certainly don't realise it. In fact I'm somewhat at a loss as why it would be creepy in the context offered. Perhaps you could explain it - genuine request.
    Twee and patronising, and I am against 7 [?] year old children being rolled out day after day as talking points on chat rooms, pseudonymously or not.
    People cannot refer to their children? I'd say that is creepier. People post under their own names, or anonymously, some share details of their career, education, gender, others do not. I see no difference in mentioning having a child. I'm not even sure how one could be for or against it - are there other personal details you think people should not share in order to not be creepy?

    As for twee and patronising, that's your own opinion and so fair enough though I don't agree, but what about twee and patronising equals creepy?
    same ballpark
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    ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Toms said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Toms said:

    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.

    By saying "Ich bin a Berliner" , though well meant, Kennedy was saying "I am a sausage".
    Doughnut I thought?
    Yes, my info was flawed. Doughnut would appeal to vegans.
    Yes, a doughnut. But it's a myth dating from 25 years after the speech.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-does-everybody-think-jfk-said-im-jelly-donut-180963779/
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,548
    Andy_JS said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    I'll let the little 'un know of your preference for the way I refer to him. In the meantime, do please and try procreating with yourself, way over there ------------------------->
    Sorry. Perhaps you genuinely don't realise how creepy it is.
    No to the language police.
    I don't understand why that is "creepy". Any more than some people have a complain about "kids" or pupils vs students.

    Though on the subject of personal size, there was an interesting piece with someone in 2 minds about whether finding a 'cure' for 'dwarfism' is desirable.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/60934176
    "I'm worried that this drug could be the end of dwarfism altogether," says Ellie Simmonds in new BBC documentary, Ellie Simmonds: A World Without Dwarfism?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    Agreed. But there was a time that he was seen as 'good' to us, because he married a fruity westerner.

    As did Assad.
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    TimT said:

    Toms said:

    Speaking of nonsense, grumbling away in the back of my mind I've started a file of particularly obnoxious oxymorons. It includes "perfect binding", "smart motorway", and "homo sapiens".


    Does town planning quality?
    Smart phone certainly does. Dumbest invention ever.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082

    UK must rearm in preparation for losing US from the defence of europe.

    Sunak is the main block as far as I can see.

    There's lots of things the UK should do - defence, energy, housing, infrastructure, social care as examples.

    But how many people are willing to reduce their consumption and/or work harder to pay for them.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,109
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Why the double flags?
    Leaves space for triple or even quadruple flags.
    I salute such restraint.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited April 2022
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This quote from @ShippersUnbound on Sunak’s view of Putin & the Ukraine-Russia war (NB the PM is with Zelensky) is quite something. Sunak’s hopes of being leader destroyed by this piece https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sunak-ponders-political-future-as-wife-escapes-downing-street-goldfish-bowl-5gftqcmkk https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1512858888747601923/photo/1

    Rachel Wearmouth joining the Dan Hodges club, of thinking there’s a massive story in the Chancellor pointing out to the Cabinet, the cost to the UK economy of sanctions against Russia. It’s his job to do just that.

    Someone really doesn’t like Sunak, that much is clear.
    Battles between chancellors and PMs don't always end as predicted. The PM is badly damaged. It's all beneath the surface but whatever he had he's not going to get back. The Boris brand is broken. Sunak might not become PM but confidence in him among his colleagues is still pretty solid.

    Too solid I would suggest for Johnson to fire him without dire consequences
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    MattW said:

    Good stuff - you sound well placed. My person has run a food establishment before (snooker club cafe) but is not up with the business side, and is mainly looking to generate a supplementary income to top up her state pension.

    I doubt you will get a coffee machine for £20 a week, unless you are going for one of those 2 jug filter machines or similar rather than a bean to cup or manual one. I can get one of those free from my local artisan roaster if I buy X amount of coffee, but the clients will want it made fresh.

    I'm actually going to order a decent domestic range from Appliances Direct this w/e.

    (Scones seem to have a good profit margin round here.)

    We bought the former Bank of Scotland building - a 1795 bank with an 1860s extension. Which means a big U-shaped building with the house as the southern wing and all the first floor and the bank the middle and northern wing on the ground floor.

    Bought the bank bit for cash and other than my consultancy business using the former manager's office (and refitting the banking hall for general office use) its just sat there. Other plans for flexi office space now dropped, what the community needs is a cafe and we have the perfect space for it.

    I want to retain control of what happens in my building so setting up a business in there has always been the plan, albeit the cafe idea is new. Has got the potential to provide a long-term revenue stream regardless of anything else we do employment wise, so what the hell lets give it a whirl.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    Agreed. But there was a time that he was seen as 'good' to us, because he married a fruity westerner.

    As did Assad.
    But it turned out they were brown all along.

    Bastards.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    WTF happened with Imran Khan? He used to be an absolute player. I don’t know whether it was Jemima Goldsmith who messed him up but I remember meeting him at a school cricket match when he was squiring Kristiane Bakker who was one of the hottest MTV presenters. He was very amusing and fun and we had many beers etc. did he “find god” or is he just a weird ass-hat?
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,200
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Shanghai residents revolt over Zero Covid lockdown: Videos shows mobs looting stores for food after being confined to their homes for 22 days

    Panic-buying turns into looting at supply points as residents fight for food
    Locals also seen breaking Covid barriers which stop them going between streets
    Severe lockdown has failed to curb Covid cases as Omicron prompts case record
    Shanghai had 23,600 new cases Friday - and official data likely understating it
    Infected babies and under-7s taken by docs and separated from their parents"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10702811/Shanghai-residents-revolt-Zero-Covid-lockdown-Videos-shows-mobs-looting-stores-urgent-food.html

    All three of the Great Powers have now been checked by opponents they're unable to defeat.

    Russia: Ukraine

    China: Covid

    America: America

    https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1512863971916718080
    Although given the poor military performance one wonders if Russia really counts as a great power.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003

    TimT said:

    Toms said:

    Speaking of nonsense, grumbling away in the back of my mind I've started a file of particularly obnoxious oxymorons. It includes "perfect binding", "smart motorway", and "homo sapiens".


    Does town planning quality?
    Smart phone certainly does. Dumbest invention ever.
    Rubbish. There is an immense amount of 'smartness' in mobile phones. They are intensely complex devices on so many levels. The fact they're used by dummies, or for dumb purposes, does not make them dumb. They are a tool. If you use the tool in a dumb way, that's your fault, not the tools.

    Just look at the way they're being used by both sides in Ukraine. ;)

    (I may think this way as Mrs J has designed circuitry that is in many, many smartphones...)
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    UK must rearm in preparation for losing US from the defence of europe.

    Sunak is the main block as far as I can see.

    There's lots of things the UK should do - defence, energy, housing, infrastructure, social care as examples.

    But how many people are willing to reduce their consumption and/or work harder to pay for them.
    The problem we have is that we nationally recognise the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Investing in infrastructure isn't cost, its investment yet hacks always ask "who will pay for it" instead of "how will we spend the returns on investment".

    On defence specifically we appear to have forgotten just how many jobs the military - industrial complex provides. Rearming means an awful lot of high-tech jobs and companies and a whole load of exports we can chase. Its not like "spend more on defence" is Sunak burning £100bn for nothing in return.

    When did we get into this stupid mindset where investment is "subsidy" at best and "waste" at worst? Thatcherism?
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,548
    edited April 2022
    Applicant said:

    Toms said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Toms said:

    Я киянин - I am a Kyivian

    Hope I got that right. Boris Johnson should say it. For himself and the free world.

    Don't have to like or trust BJ overmuch, to cheer the citizens and defenders of free Kyiv by cheering him this day.

    To paraphrase, the prejudices of a political hack aren't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world.

    By saying "Ich bin a Berliner" , though well meant, Kennedy was saying "I am a sausage".
    Doughnut I thought?
    Yes, my info was flawed. Doughnut would appeal to vegans.
    Yes, a doughnut. But it's a myth dating from 25 years after the speech.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-does-everybody-think-jfk-said-im-jelly-donut-180963779/
    I'd have though "hamburger" for BJ until he's walked 10k miles or so. Remember the character of Wimpy?




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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003
    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    WTF happened with Imran Khan? He used to be an absolute player. I don’t know whether it was Jemima Goldsmith who messed him up but I remember meeting him at a school cricket match when he was squiring Kristiane Bakker who was one of the hottest MTV presenters. He was very amusing and fun and we had many beers etc. did he “find god” or is he just a weird ass-hat?
    Is he just playing to a political base? When it served him to be pro-Western to gain money, power and influence, he did so. Not it suits him to do differently. Might he be a Pakistani Trump?

    (I have very little idea about Pakistani politics, aside from what is in the Economist.)
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    That Boris video is really quite powerful, isn’t it? I can’t stand him myself but glad to see we’re on the right side of history
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,045
    Sandpit said:

    At a handshake distance. @BorisJohnson and @ZelenskyyUa walked through the center of Kyiv and talked to ordinary Kyivans. This is what democracy looks like. This is what courage looks like. This is what true friendship between peoples and between nations looks like.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1512867082932793347

    Wow, that’s impressive. Well done Boris! :+1:
    The conversation with the chap was touching
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,045
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Love him or hate him, one has to admit that Boris has had a terrific week: lauded as the saviour of Ukraine whilst brilliantly portraying rival Rishi as the ultimate Citizen of Nowhere and cosmopolitan dandy, surely the ultimate insult amongst the Tory base. Boris is lord of all he surveys.
    Mm. He now has to fulfil his promises. For instance, are the AFVs the Mastiffs we've already heard about? And what's the British Army going to do for rides?
    NEW: Total UK aid to Ukraine announced today and yesterday;

    • 120 armoured vehicles and new anti-ship missiles
    • $130m worth of Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles, and high-tech loitering munitions for precision strikes
    • $500 million in World Bank

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1512842016920637444

    I ham reluctant to quibble over the government’s support for Ukraine.

    It’s not complicated. It’s entirely possible fully to support them on this, and to be determined to vote to kick them out at the next election.
    Nice of Total UK to help… shame that Total France is still grubbing for shekels in Russia
    I love the way you said shekels.

    Love it.
    I love the way that Israel is unambiguously standing behind Ukraine with full thrusted support about the illegal occupation of her land by an aggressive neighbour
    Dem 4 x 2s, eh?

    Why do you think Total France trades or accounts in shekels?
    I don’t, you idiot. It was a turn of phrase.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    Trump will watch and learn from how Putin is controlling the media in Russia.

    He will want all channels to be Fox News.

    Expect moves early when he returns to WH.



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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,109

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    Agreed. But there was a time that he was seen as 'good' to us, because he married a fruity westerner.

    As did Assad.
    Assad Jr married another Syrian. Dunno how fruity she is..
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Love him or hate him, one has to admit that Boris has had a terrific week: lauded as the saviour of Ukraine whilst brilliantly portraying rival Rishi as the ultimate Citizen of Nowhere and cosmopolitan dandy, surely the ultimate insult amongst the Tory base. Boris is lord of all he surveys.
    Mm. He now has to fulfil his promises. For instance, are the AFVs the Mastiffs we've already heard about? And what's the British Army going to do for rides?
    NEW: Total UK aid to Ukraine announced today and yesterday;

    • 120 armoured vehicles and new anti-ship missiles
    • $130m worth of Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles, and high-tech loitering munitions for precision strikes
    • $500 million in World Bank

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1512842016920637444

    I ham reluctant to quibble over the government’s support for Ukraine.

    It’s not complicated. It’s entirely possible fully to support them on this, and to be determined to vote to kick them out at the next election.
    Nice of Total UK to help… shame that Total France is still grubbing for shekels in Russia
    I love the way you said shekels.

    Love it.
    I love the way that Israel is unambiguously standing behind Ukraine with full thrusted support about the illegal occupation of her land by an aggressive neighbour
    Dem 4 x 2s, eh?

    Why do you think Total France trades or accounts in shekels?
    I don’t, you idiot. It was a turn of phrase.
    Sure. Of the 164 currencies in the world, what were the odds of that one cropping up?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082
    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    WTF happened with Imran Khan? He used to be an absolute player. I don’t know whether it was Jemima Goldsmith who messed him up but I remember meeting him at a school cricket match when he was squiring Kristiane Bakker who was one of the hottest MTV presenters. He was very amusing and fun and we had many beers etc. did he “find god” or is he just a weird ass-hat?
    Was IK drinking the beers ?

    Doesn't he claim never to have drunk alcohol ?
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929

    Sandpit said:

    At a handshake distance. @BorisJohnson and @ZelenskyyUa walked through the center of Kyiv and talked to ordinary Kyivans. This is what democracy looks like. This is what courage looks like. This is what true friendship between peoples and between nations looks like.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1512867082932793347

    Wow, that’s impressive. Well done Boris! :+1:
    The conversation with the chap was touching
    I’m weirdly imagining an alternative history where Theresa May is still PM and she starts making shapes to Abba “the winner takes it all” or “Waterloo” and all the Ukrainians just bend their heads down sadly into their hands and cry inside.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226

    UK must rearm in preparation for losing US from the defence of europe.

    Sunak is the main block as far as I can see.

    There's lots of things the UK should do - defence, energy, housing, infrastructure, social care as examples.

    But how many people are willing to reduce their consumption and/or work harder to pay for them.
    The problem we have is that we nationally recognise the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Investing in infrastructure isn't cost, its investment yet hacks always ask "who will pay for it" instead of "how will we spend the returns on investment".

    On defence specifically we appear to have forgotten just how many jobs the military - industrial complex provides. Rearming means an awful lot of high-tech jobs and companies and a whole load of exports we can chase. Its not like "spend more on defence" is Sunak burning £100bn for nothing in return.

    When did we get into this stupid mindset where investment is "subsidy" at best and "waste" at worst? Thatcherism?
    There is no economy whatsoever if we don't defend our country and our allies against what is now obviously a clear and present danger from a fascist genocidal dictatorship.
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,209
    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    WTF happened with Imran Khan? He used to be an absolute player. I don’t know whether it was Jemima Goldsmith who messed him up but I remember meeting him at a school cricket match when he was squiring Kristiane Bakker who was one of the hottest MTV presenters. He was very amusing and fun and we had many beers etc. did he “find god” or is he just a weird ass-hat?
    Imran Khan turned up at my school too. We were scandalised by seeing him smoke in the car park between matches. Tut tut.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929
    ..

    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    WTF happened with Imran Khan? He used to be an absolute player. I don’t know whether it was Jemima Goldsmith who messed him up but I remember meeting him at a school cricket match when he was squiring Kristiane Bakker who was one of the hottest MTV presenters. He was very amusing and fun and we had many beers etc. did he “find god” or is he just a weird ass-hat?
    Was IK drinking the beers ?

    Doesn't he claim never to have drunk alcohol ?
    He can claim what he likes…..
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited April 2022
    I fear, for several reasons, that the rising confrontation in the east is going to be hard for the Ukrainians.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003
    Alistair said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Amazing what AI can do these days.






    This is what DALL.E mini produces
    How do you create stuff on DALLE? :curious:
    Go to
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

    And enter text eg Boris or political betting and you get something like this

    The mona lisa with a hat



    Uncanny.
    I won't post the images, but "SeanT with a flint dildo" produces little of relevance.

    Which shows an issues with these so-called AI's. An 'intelligence' would know when it doesn't know, and say: "I'm sorry, what's a SeanT?" We know the many identities of SeanT; the AI does not. Instead it produces garbage output.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,215
    IshmaelZ said:

    Noticed today that I’ve gone past a hundred miles and a quarter of a million steps walked this week. I clearly know how to relax on holiday! The walk today was really tough; I’ve never walked so slowly. In the middle of it I went just over eight miles in six hours, but I did go over a thousand metres up and down too.

    Meh. I averaged 120 miles a week over a year. ;)

    Hope you're enjoying it, and thanks for the photos. If it's any consolation, I spent the day with the little 'un at Gulliver's Land. I think you got the better deal...
    If you feel the need to refer to your son, feel very free indeed to use the words "my son." It would crank the ickiness factor way, way down

    Thanks
    What a bizarrely unpleasant comment
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
    Hats off to PM's personal protection team after today's trip.

    Don't suppose the job gets many more stressful days!
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Love him or hate him, one has to admit that Boris has had a terrific week: lauded as the saviour of Ukraine whilst brilliantly portraying rival Rishi as the ultimate Citizen of Nowhere and cosmopolitan dandy, surely the ultimate insult amongst the Tory base. Boris is lord of all he surveys.
    Mm. He now has to fulfil his promises. For instance, are the AFVs the Mastiffs we've already heard about? And what's the British Army going to do for rides?
    NEW: Total UK aid to Ukraine announced today and yesterday;

    • 120 armoured vehicles and new anti-ship missiles
    • $130m worth of Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles, and high-tech loitering munitions for precision strikes
    • $500 million in World Bank

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1512842016920637444

    I ham reluctant to quibble over the government’s support for Ukraine.

    It’s not complicated. It’s entirely possible fully to support them on this, and to be determined to vote to kick them out at the next election.
    Nice of Total UK to help… shame that Total France is still grubbing for shekels in Russia
    I love the way you said shekels.

    Love it.
    I love the way that Israel is unambiguously standing behind Ukraine with full thrusted support about the illegal occupation of her land by an aggressive neighbour
    Dem 4 x 2s, eh?

    Why do you think Total France trades or accounts in shekels?
    I don’t, you idiot. It was a turn of phrase.
    It’s not a “turn of phrase” at all.

    It’s a pointed use of an anti-Semitic trope that taking “shekels” is linked to the evil joos and their worship of money.

    As I said - you could have written “euros” or “roubles” as they are the relevant currencies to the point you were making.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003
    Toms said:

    I fear, for several reasons, that the rising confrontation in the east is going to be hard for the Ukrainians.

    I am in agreement. It's going to be very hard for them. But it will also be hard for the Russians. It might be a case where the decisions by individual commanders on the ground swing the fortunes of the war, whatever equipment and money they have access to.

    So far, the Ukrainians have been winning that particular battle.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    Agreed. But there was a time that he was seen as 'good' to us, because he married a fruity westerner.

    As did Assad.
    Assad Jr married another Syrian. Dunno how fruity she is..
    Assad's wife has British citizenship and was born and raised in London.
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    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    WTF happened with Imran Khan? He used to be an absolute player. I don’t know whether it was Jemima Goldsmith who messed him up but I remember meeting him at a school cricket match when he was squiring Kristiane Bakker who was one of the hottest MTV presenters. He was very amusing and fun and we had many beers etc. did he “find god” or is he just a weird ass-hat?
    Imran Khan has always been a wrong 'un, he went to the dump known as the University of Oxford, read PPE no less.

    The University of Cambridge did the right thing in rejecting Imran Khan, they only choose the best Pakistani heritage people.
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,045
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Love him or hate him, one has to admit that Boris has had a terrific week: lauded as the saviour of Ukraine whilst brilliantly portraying rival Rishi as the ultimate Citizen of Nowhere and cosmopolitan dandy, surely the ultimate insult amongst the Tory base. Boris is lord of all he surveys.
    Mm. He now has to fulfil his promises. For instance, are the AFVs the Mastiffs we've already heard about? And what's the British Army going to do for rides?
    NEW: Total UK aid to Ukraine announced today and yesterday;

    • 120 armoured vehicles and new anti-ship missiles
    • $130m worth of Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles, and high-tech loitering munitions for precision strikes
    • $500 million in World Bank

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1512842016920637444

    I ham reluctant to quibble over the government’s support for Ukraine.

    It’s not complicated. It’s entirely possible fully to support them on this, and to be determined to vote to kick them out at the next election.
    Nice of Total UK to help… shame that Total France is still grubbing for shekels in Russia
    Crikey, you left out “big nosed Total executives” and “pulling puppet strings” and a reference to using Rothschild’s bank to process the shekels.

    Could have just written Euros or Roubles if you weren’t making some point but there you go.
    I genuinely wasn’t… dollars and euros didn’t seem right as dollars were referenced in the original tweet and euros is a dull word and shekels was the currency I came up with in the moment. Scans better than Lira as well.

    The point I was making is that French business (I think Total may have corrected its stance under pressure?) have behaved badly in this.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003

    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    WTF happened with Imran Khan? He used to be an absolute player. I don’t know whether it was Jemima Goldsmith who messed him up but I remember meeting him at a school cricket match when he was squiring Kristiane Bakker who was one of the hottest MTV presenters. He was very amusing and fun and we had many beers etc. did he “find god” or is he just a weird ass-hat?
    Imran Khan has always been a wrong 'un, he went to the dump known as the University of Oxford, read PPE no less.

    The University of Cambridge did the right thing in rejecting Imran Khan, they only choose the best Pakistani heritage people.
    Do you personally know of any exceptions to that rule? ;)
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,226

    Toms said:

    I fear, for several reasons, that the rising confrontation in the east is going to be hard for the Ukrainians.

    I am in agreement. It's going to be very hard for them. But it will also be hard for the Russians. It might be a case where the decisions by individual commanders on the ground swing the fortunes of the war, whatever equipment and money they have access to.

    So far, the Ukrainians have been winning that particular battle.

    Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦
    @IAPonomarenko
    ·
    3h
    Spring raining in Kyiv.
    Mud season is here, and we’re waiting for blossoming vegetation across the country, another factor helping Ukraine in defensive warfare.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,082

    UK must rearm in preparation for losing US from the defence of europe.

    Sunak is the main block as far as I can see.

    There's lots of things the UK should do - defence, energy, housing, infrastructure, social care as examples.

    But how many people are willing to reduce their consumption and/or work harder to pay for them.
    The problem we have is that we nationally recognise the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Investing in infrastructure isn't cost, its investment yet hacks always ask "who will pay for it" instead of "how will we spend the returns on investment".

    On defence specifically we appear to have forgotten just how many jobs the military - industrial complex provides. Rearming means an awful lot of high-tech jobs and companies and a whole load of exports we can chase. Its not like "spend more on defence" is Sunak burning £100bn for nothing in return.

    When did we get into this stupid mindset where investment is "subsidy" at best and "waste" at worst? Thatcherism?
    For sure good investment lead to a return.

    But not all investments are good.

    And even fewer of what politicians call investments.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,215
    edited April 2022

    Alistair said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Amazing what AI can do these days.






    This is what DALL.E mini produces
    How do you create stuff on DALLE? :curious:
    Go to
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

    And enter text eg Boris or political betting and you get something like this

    The mona lisa with a hat



    Uncanny.
    I won't post the images, but "SeanT with a flint dildo" produces little of relevance.

    Which shows an issues with these so-called AI's. An 'intelligence' would know when it doesn't know, and say: "I'm sorry, what's a SeanT?" We know the many identities of SeanT; the AI does not. Instead it produces garbage output.
    If you are using mini-Dall-e, which you must be - as only 400 people in the world have access to Dall-e 2, then know this

    1. Mini-Dall-e is a ridiculous fraction of the reality, like basing your opinion of American comedy on a single mediocre episode of Friends

    2. Dall-e is explicitly designed to be near-useless with human faces. This is written into its code. Because the creators are shit-scared of its ability to do deepfakes (Boris fucking a wasp, say) or horrible Nazi porn (Boris in an SS uniform fucking a wasp that looks like Meghan Markle) so they have basically removed all functionality as regards real faces and, mostly, human bodies too

    This is why, inter Alia, all the best stuff produced so far involves toys and animals and cartoon characters or total fantasy. These have no in built restrictions

    There. Now you are educated
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,442

    UK must rearm in preparation for losing US from the defence of europe.

    Sunak is the main block as far as I can see.

    There's lots of things the UK should do - defence, energy, housing, infrastructure, social care as examples.

    But how many people are willing to reduce their consumption and/or work harder to pay for them.
    The problem we have is that we nationally recognise the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Investing in infrastructure isn't cost, its investment yet hacks always ask "who will pay for it" instead of "how will we spend the returns on investment".

    On defence specifically we appear to have forgotten just how many jobs the military - industrial complex provides. Rearming means an awful lot of high-tech jobs and companies and a whole load of exports we can chase. Its not like "spend more on defence" is Sunak burning £100bn for nothing in return.

    When did we get into this stupid mindset where investment is "subsidy" at best and "waste" at worst? Thatcherism?
    This is one reason for the USSRs collapse. They spent too much on their military. It turns out there are much more productive things to invest in than blowing things up or employing lots of younglings to sit in a barracks.

    They also found that the arms industry started wagging the country. The more wealth it sucked up the more it needed.

    I'd start a facsimile of the old Bell Labs/IBM research departments. Would at least be interesting to see what they come up with.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Trump will watch and learn from how Putin is controlling the media in Russia.

    He will want all channels to be Fox News.

    Expect moves early when he returns to WH.



    He doesn't need that. The American press is supine enough as is.

    Here is how the New York Times reported on Trump Jr's plan to overturn the election.

    https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/1512841222699859969

    Just look at that passive voice. That takes skill.
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,929

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Love him or hate him, one has to admit that Boris has had a terrific week: lauded as the saviour of Ukraine whilst brilliantly portraying rival Rishi as the ultimate Citizen of Nowhere and cosmopolitan dandy, surely the ultimate insult amongst the Tory base. Boris is lord of all he surveys.
    Mm. He now has to fulfil his promises. For instance, are the AFVs the Mastiffs we've already heard about? And what's the British Army going to do for rides?
    NEW: Total UK aid to Ukraine announced today and yesterday;

    • 120 armoured vehicles and new anti-ship missiles
    • $130m worth of Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles, and high-tech loitering munitions for precision strikes
    • $500 million in World Bank

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1512842016920637444

    I ham reluctant to quibble over the government’s support for Ukraine.

    It’s not complicated. It’s entirely possible fully to support them on this, and to be determined to vote to kick them out at the next election.
    Nice of Total UK to help… shame that Total France is still grubbing for shekels in Russia
    Crikey, you left out “big nosed Total executives” and “pulling puppet strings” and a reference to using Rothschild’s bank to process the shekels.

    Could have just written Euros or Roubles if you weren’t making some point but there you go.
    I genuinely wasn’t… dollars and euros didn’t seem right as dollars were referenced in the original tweet and euros is a dull word and shekels was the currency I came up with in the moment. Scans better than Lira as well.

    The point I was making is that French business (I think Total may have corrected its stance under pressure?) have behaved badly in this.
    Captain Alfred Dreyfus thanks you for your clarification.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,770
    Errrr....

    "Essex counsellor driving tank up A1"


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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,311

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    Agreed. But there was a time that he was seen as 'good' to us, because he married a fruity westerner.

    As did Assad.
    Assad Jr married another Syrian. Dunno how fruity she is..
    Assad's wife has British citizenship and was born and raised in London.
    Are we confusing father and son here?
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    boulay said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Love him or hate him, one has to admit that Boris has had a terrific week: lauded as the saviour of Ukraine whilst brilliantly portraying rival Rishi as the ultimate Citizen of Nowhere and cosmopolitan dandy, surely the ultimate insult amongst the Tory base. Boris is lord of all he surveys.
    Mm. He now has to fulfil his promises. For instance, are the AFVs the Mastiffs we've already heard about? And what's the British Army going to do for rides?
    NEW: Total UK aid to Ukraine announced today and yesterday;

    • 120 armoured vehicles and new anti-ship missiles
    • $130m worth of Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, 800 anti-tank missiles, and high-tech loitering munitions for precision strikes
    • $500 million in World Bank

    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1512842016920637444

    I ham reluctant to quibble over the government’s support for Ukraine.

    It’s not complicated. It’s entirely possible fully to support them on this, and to be determined to vote to kick them out at the next election.
    Nice of Total UK to help… shame that Total France is still grubbing for shekels in Russia
    I love the way you said shekels.

    Love it.
    I love the way that Israel is unambiguously standing behind Ukraine with full thrusted support about the illegal occupation of her land by an aggressive neighbour
    Dem 4 x 2s, eh?

    Why do you think Total France trades or accounts in shekels?
    I don’t, you idiot. It was a turn of phrase.
    It’s not a “turn of phrase” at all.

    It’s a pointed use of an anti-Semitic trope that taking “shekels” is linked to the evil joos and their worship of money.

    As I said - you could have written “euros” or “roubles” as they are the relevant currencies to the point you were making.
    Uh, this is complete nonsense. The shekel in its current form has only existed since 1980 (technically 1986, but that was effectively an adjustment to remove some zeros from the hyperinflated older version of the same currency). Before that, the Israeli currency was the Israeli Pound, and the next most recent version of an actual Shekel dates to around 2000 years ago, circa the Maccabee revolt.

    It is, to the best of my knowledge, untrue to state that there was ever been meaningful linkage between "shekels" and antisemitism. Accusations to Jewish money manipulation/worship would typically reference gold, if anything. Use of shekels as a general - and innocuous - term for money is perfectly valid.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,442
    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Amazing what AI can do these days.






    This is what DALL.E mini produces
    How do you create stuff on DALLE? :curious:
    Go to
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

    And enter text eg Boris or political betting and you get something like this

    The mona lisa with a hat



    Uncanny.
    I won't post the images, but "SeanT with a flint dildo" produces little of relevance.

    Which shows an issues with these so-called AI's. An 'intelligence' would know when it doesn't know, and say: "I'm sorry, what's a SeanT?" We know the many identities of SeanT; the AI does not. Instead it produces garbage output.
    If you are using mini-Dall-e, which you must be - as only 400 people in the world have access to Dall-e 2, then know this

    1. Mini-Dall-e is a ridiculous fraction of the reality, like basing your opinion of American comedy on a single mediocre episode of Friends

    2. Dall-e is explicitly designed to be near-useless with human faces. This is written into its code. Because the creators are shit-scared of its ability to do deepfakes (Boris fucking a wasp, say) or horrible Nazi porn (Boris in an SS uniform fucking a wasp that looks like Meghan Markle) so they have basically removed all functionality as regards real faces and, mostly, human bodies too

    This is why, inter Alia, all the best stuff produced so far involves toys and animals and cartoon characters or total fantasy. These have no in built restrictions

    There. Now you are educated
    If I have Boris/Wasp slash nightmares tonight, I'm holding you responsible.

    (But yes. The jobs being automated out of existence stuff... as a society, we have experience of that. Probably insufficient, but we have insight into what to do. But the deepfake stuff, the idea that we can't trust the evidence of our eyes... that's scary. Don't have nightmares, everyone.)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003
    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Amazing what AI can do these days.






    This is what DALL.E mini produces
    How do you create stuff on DALLE? :curious:
    Go to
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

    And enter text eg Boris or political betting and you get something like this

    The mona lisa with a hat



    Uncanny.
    I won't post the images, but "SeanT with a flint dildo" produces little of relevance.

    Which shows an issues with these so-called AI's. An 'intelligence' would know when it doesn't know, and say: "I'm sorry, what's a SeanT?" We know the many identities of SeanT; the AI does not. Instead it produces garbage output.
    If you are using mini-Dall-e, which you must be - as only 400 people in the world have access to Dall-e 2, then know this

    1. Mini-Dall-e is a ridiculous fraction of the reality, like basing your opinion of American comedy on a single mediocre episode of Friends

    2. Dall-e is explicitly designed to be near-useless with human faces. This is written into its code. Because the creators are shit-scared of its ability to do deepfakes (Boris fucking a wasp, say) or horrible Nazi porn (Boris in an SS uniform fucking a wasp that looks like Meghan Markle) so they have basically removed all functionality as regards real faces and, mostly, human bodies too

    This is why, inter Alia, all the best stuff produced so far involves toys and animals and cartoon characters or total fantasy. These have no in built restrictions

    There. Now you are educated
    That misses my point. As in my point is at the full-stop is at the end of this sentence, whereas your point is lazing merrily around somewhere in the Oort Cloud. ;)

    Knowing what you don't know, and acknowledging that, is one of the signs of intelligence. *every* AI I have come across (and apparently this is true amongst those used by experts) tries desperately to find 'answers' to nonsensical questions. There is no ignorance in saying "What do you mean?" The ignorance is in pretending you know.

    In other words, a sign of intelligence is knowing the bounds of your own knowledge.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,215
    CatMan said:

    Errrr....

    "Essex counsellor driving tank up A1"


    This is a very good example of how DALLE won’t let you do real faces (if it is DALLE - certainly looks like it)

    They all end up looking like Francis Bacon portraits. It essentially now allowed (as is so much else)
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,109

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    Agreed. But there was a time that he was seen as 'good' to us, because he married a fruity westerner.

    As did Assad.
    Assad Jr married another Syrian. Dunno how fruity she is..
    Assad's wife has British citizenship and was born and raised in London.
    Does she now or has she ever described herself as a fruity westerner? I of course yield to your insights in this matter.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,311
    CatMan said:

    Errrr....

    "Essex counsellor driving tank up A1"


    Councillor rather than counsellor?
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,442
    edited April 2022

    CatMan said:

    Errrr....

    "Essex counsellor driving tank up A1"


    Councillor rather than counsellor?
    We'll all need counsellors if we see Boris in an SS uniform fucking a wasp that looks like Meghan Markle.

    For example.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,003

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Imran Khan loses confidence vote.

    Horrible man. Probably to be replaced by someone else horrible, but we'll see.
    Agreed. But there was a time that he was seen as 'good' to us, because he married a fruity westerner.

    As did Assad.
    Assad Jr married another Syrian. Dunno how fruity she is..
    Assad's wife has British citizenship and was born and raised in London.
    Are we confusing father and son here?
    Since Bashar al-Assad's wife was born in 1975, I really hope it was the son, not his father, who was born in 1930...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_al-Assad

    She was London born, raised and educated, so I think it's fair to say 'western'. She only moved to Syria and married Assad aged 25.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,770
    edited April 2022

    CatMan said:

    Errrr....

    "Essex counsellor driving tank up A1"


    Councillor rather than counsellor?
    Not much difference:


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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,215

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    Leon said:

    I offer this as a special gift to @Theuniondivvie

    Amazing what AI can do these days.






    This is what DALL.E mini produces
    How do you create stuff on DALLE? :curious:
    Go to
    https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

    And enter text eg Boris or political betting and you get something like this

    The mona lisa with a hat



    Uncanny.
    I won't post the images, but "SeanT with a flint dildo" produces little of relevance.

    Which shows an issues with these so-called AI's. An 'intelligence' would know when it doesn't know, and say: "I'm sorry, what's a SeanT?" We know the many identities of SeanT; the AI does not. Instead it produces garbage output.
    If you are using mini-Dall-e, which you must be - as only 400 people in the world have access to Dall-e 2, then know this

    1. Mini-Dall-e is a ridiculous fraction of the reality, like basing your opinion of American comedy on a single mediocre episode of Friends

    2. Dall-e is explicitly designed to be near-useless with human faces. This is written into its code. Because the creators are shit-scared of its ability to do deepfakes (Boris fucking a wasp, say) or horrible Nazi porn (Boris in an SS uniform fucking a wasp that looks like Meghan Markle) so they have basically removed all functionality as regards real faces and, mostly, human bodies too

    This is why, inter Alia, all the best stuff produced so far involves toys and animals and cartoon characters or total fantasy. These have no in built restrictions

    There. Now you are educated
    If I have Boris/Wasp slash nightmares tonight, I'm holding you responsible.

    (But yes. The jobs being automated out of existence stuff... as a society, we have experience of that. Probably insufficient, but we have insight into what to do. But the deepfake stuff, the idea that we can't trust the evidence of our eyes... that's scary. Don't have nightmares, everyone.)
    Yep, It’s a real scary issue

    And when you see what Dall-e-2 can do with raccoons and chimps and cuddly dogs - totally convincing images that look real, yet are entirely contrived and unreal - then the idea you could apply this to actual humans: deepfakes, porn, atrocity videos, politicians, celebs, pedo stuff, Zelenskyy, yikes

    That’s why this tech is being rigidly policed, to an extraordinary extent

    It is the nuclear bomb of AI, it is so powerful it must - from the start - be ringfenced and regulated very fiercely
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