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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    Yes, it is consistent. C becomes G after certain prepositions. E.g. you have 'cadw' (to keep) which becomes 'am gadw' (for keeping) or 'yng ngadw' (in accordance with).

    Similarly, G would disappear altogether if it were the first letter under the same rules. 'Gorsaf' is 'station' but it becomes 'am orsaf' (for the station).

    It's called 'soft mutation.' So 'coblyn' could become 'i goblyn' (with some difficulty) but that would not be the actual noun.

    So, the short answer is, it's talking bollocks.

    (As 'goblin' in Welsh would in any case be 'bwca' it's even better bollocks.)
    So to be clear, "coblyn" would be the lemma, meaning wherever OpenAI got this "idea" from, it probably wasn't an etymology dictionary, since the entry would have been under "coblyn". Hmmm, I'd love to see the working that led it that answer.
    I think it’s because there isn’t an exact read across from ‘goblin’ to ‘bwca’ so Google Translate renders goblin as ‘goblin’ in Welsh.

    Which goes to show, garbage in, garbage out. A human would feel there was something odd about that. A computer didn’t.
    Oh, cool, "bwca" is related to "spook".
    Are you using GPT3? What interface, may I ask?
    No, in that case I was using an etmology dictionary. But the OpenAI stuff I was talking about a little earlier is the same people who make the cool pictures you've been sharing. It's OpenAI.com.
    They've got a whole bunch of capabilities. I asked it to create some Python code that could scrape information out of a web page and it worked.

    No, I need to stop here and really underline what I just said.
    I typed in natural English what I wanted the code to do, and the AI wrote the code.

    If anyone's brains aren't exploding right now, you haven't understood the nexus we're reaching. This changes everything.

    Anyway, back to your question. You need to sign up for this. I did this a while ago for the OpenAI platform in general because it's wildly cool and I want to play more. But I didn't hear about the art stuff til yesterday so I'm not "in" on that one yet.
    Particularly given how hard it seems to be to get a human programmer to do what you want.

    I am learning a new bit of software where the "edit" button (which I will be using alot) is next to the "delete" button (which I will hardly ever have occasion to use). There is also apparently no way to undo mistakes, and this is all in realtime in the live data.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    edited April 2022
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    There’s some good fun to be had with the exceptions to the hard rules too.

    You must ignore traffic lights if there is a policeman directing traffic at an intersection, and it’s permissible to gingerly cross a red traffic light in order to not hold up a blue light behind.
    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    There’s some good fun to be had with the exceptions to the hard rules too.

    You must ignore traffic lights if there is a policeman directing traffic at an intersection, and it’s permissible to gingerly cross a red traffic light in order to not hold up a blue light behind.
    Is that the case? Do you have a link?

    The last I heard on that was a CC stating that drivers were responsible for their actions, and he would allow a prosecution for a red light offence to let an emergency vehicle through.
    I’ve not studied the new version of the HC, but the old version said that one may cross a red light to let an emergency vehicle through, but it must be done safely. I can imagine that someone who ‘went’ on red - as opposed to pulling over to the minimum extent required - might find themselves prosecuted, even if there was a blue light in the vicinity.

    One definitely must obey instructions of a police officer standing in a junction, irrespective of what the traffic lights say.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    Thanks @malcolmg @MoonRabbit

    I’ve put a few quid on your tips. Good luck!
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,639
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    My knowledge of goblins and the like is primarily from my time as a spotty teenager playing D&D, but does that mean that "kobold" is from the same root?
    I've seen people think churchmen wouldn't use bladed weapons, which is not the case and seems to be believed because of D&D rules about monks.
    Doesn't that come from Odo of Bayeux apparently emphasising that he wasn't personally shedding blood (being a Bishop and all) and that getting conflated with him carrying a mace? As in his "not shedding blood thing" was by commanding troops rather than personal weapon choices, and the mace was just what leaders carried.
    That does sound about right, as there are definitely plenty of other churchmen who did shed blood personally.
    Besides which if you hit someone in the face with a mace there will be plenty of blood everywhere.
    I just love the idea God(s) are such sticklers for the letter of the rules, and accordingly He/She/They would not mind you murdering someone, or striking them down in battle, so long as no blood was spilled. It's God as a politician, claiming technically no rules were broken.
    “break [divine] law in a very specific and limited way”.
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    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    There’s some good fun to be had with the exceptions to the hard rules too.

    You must ignore traffic lights if there is a policeman directing traffic at an intersection, and it’s permissible to gingerly cross a red traffic light in order to not hold up a blue light behind.
    I noticed while waiting for my Ryanair flight on Sunday, and looking at the Permitted Items list for carrying on the plane, that you’re allowed to take your own parachute, life jacket and mountain rescue kit with you. I don’t think they’re allowed to include any of that in their measly luggage allowance. And surely a mountain rescue kit contains an axe of some kind?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Ban the Grand National!
    Any "sport" where a non human can die so that humans can be entertained ain't no sport. If a horse dies, then we shoot the rider and the owner as well. That's fair, isn't it?

    What's the case for limiting it to the Grand National, if you take that view?

    In the period 2000 to 2021 the latest data:

    Horse Deaths at Grand National: 13. Of which 3 were riderless. (Wiki)
    Horse Deaths at Cheltenham Festival: 73 (Wiki)
    Horse Deaths in Horseracing: allegedly 700-800 a year. (Peta - hence 'allegedly', may include all kinds of extra categories to get a bigger number)

    Is this a slippery slope, and do you want to ban horse racing entirely?
    Yeah, ultimately. Non humans don't need to suffer for our entertainment, or food, or shoes or sofas.
    Pretty certain the horses would vote to keep it, nothing they love more than hooning about at high speed in large numbers. Look how many lose their riders but stay in the race anyway
    Peer pressure, eh?
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    Good morning all. Unless you live in Kent where its Day 10 of Brexit hell. Photos now on Twitter of half-empty lorry decks on ferries which rather puts the final "its the ferries not Brexit" argument to the sword.

    Have been entertained by some of the local news coverage. Creatively and imaginatively finding ways to describe the issues without mentioning the B word. They did so once earlier in the week and generated a lot of ANGRY comments from trade experts INDIGNANT that anyone could possibly blame Brexit.

    Ah well.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,458
    edited April 2022

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    Yes, it is consistent. C becomes G after certain prepositions. E.g. you have 'cadw' (to keep) which becomes 'am gadw' (for keeping) or 'yng ngadw' (in accordance with).

    Similarly, G would disappear altogether if it were the first letter under the same rules. 'Gorsaf' is 'station' but it becomes 'am orsaf' (for the station).

    It's called 'soft mutation.' So 'coblyn' could become 'i goblyn' (with some difficulty) but that would not be the actual noun.

    So, the short answer is, it's talking bollocks.

    (As 'goblin' in Welsh would in any case be 'bwca' it's even better bollocks.)
    So to be clear, "coblyn" would be the lemma, meaning wherever OpenAI got this "idea" from, it probably wasn't an etymology dictionary, since the entry would have been under "coblyn". Hmmm, I'd love to see the working that led it that answer.
    I think it’s because there isn’t an exact read across from ‘goblin’ to ‘bwca’ so Google Translate renders goblin as ‘goblin’ in Welsh.

    Which goes to show, garbage in, garbage out. A human would feel there was something odd about that. A computer didn’t.
    Oh, cool, "bwca" is related to "spook".
    Are you using GPT3? What interface, may I ask?
    No, in that case I was using an etmology dictionary. But the OpenAI stuff I was talking about a little earlier is the same people who make the cool pictures you've been sharing. It's OpenAI.com.
    They've got a whole bunch of capabilities. I asked it to create some Python code that could scrape information out of a web page and it worked.

    No, I need to stop here and really underline what I just said.
    I typed in natural English what I wanted the code to do, and the AI wrote the code.

    If anyone's brains aren't exploding right now, you haven't understood the nexus we're reaching. This changes everything.

    Anyway, back to your question. You need to sign up for this. I did this a while ago for the OpenAI platform in general because it's wildly cool and I want to play more. But I didn't hear about the art stuff til yesterday so I'm not "in" on that one yet.
    Particularly given how hard it seems to be to get a human programmer to do what you want.

    I am learning a new bit of software where the "edit" button (which I will be using alot) is next to the "delete" button (which I will hardly ever have occasion to use). There is also apparently no way to undo mistakes, and this is all in realtime in the live data.
    To this day Windows Explorer has "Delete" between "Rename" and "Create Shortcut" on the RightClick menu.

    If it's on a server...

    And it's now 25 years since I made that mistake with a bank's compliance database.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,849
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    darkage said:

    Alistair said:

    Somebody leaking again...

    Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murty-tax-haven-b2054179.html

    Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.

    Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
    The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.

    If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.

    We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.

    The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
    I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
    Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
    As Judge Learned Hand famously said:

    Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of morals is mere cant.

    https://intltax.typepad.com/intltax_blog/2009/07/famous-tax-quotes-4-5.html

    Not everything is black and white. In fact few things are. Taxation like claiming expenses are broad brushstrokes. It's the attitude of Lord Hand that leads to MP's claiming duck ponds on expenses because no one told them they shouldn't be.
    Who claimed for a duck pond?
    I think you're thinking of Sir Peter Viggers and the duck house:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-52219896

    When Cameron was told about this, his first words were apparently, 'what the fuck is a duck house?'

    Not sure if that was fury, horror or ignorance...
    Quite. I remembered the duck house, I was wondering why @Roger thought there was a duck pond.
    I'm sure all MPs dream of making an indelible mark on UK politics such that for decades a single phrase is sufficient to recall them in conversation. "Duck house."
    And there was Moat Man Hogg.

    Tried getting back into the Lords as a Hereditary, failed, and then was given a life peerage as well so he could get in that way.

    Charles always used to defend him rigorously whenever it was brought up, and may have written his wikipedia page which prominently includes his excuse for claiming as he did, which to my mind doesn't pass muster (however he was encouraged to submit claims, he didn't have to claim for some things at all).
    I do remember that some were castigated not for items they claimed for, but for other items on the same invoice that they had submitted as evidence for the (often quite innocuous) items they were claiming for. ISTR that cleaning the moat was one of those, though my memory may be faulty here.
    I found some of the smaller claims more irritating than the big ones. A trouser press being one example. To my mind we require MPs to dress formally in the Commons and so if for some reason they are struggling to pay for a decent suit then that is a legitimate claim, but they are not required to have good creases or be wrinkle free, so they can pay for their own damn trouser press.
    half pint of milk was worst possible
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,639

    Good morning all. Unless you live in Kent where its Day 10 of Brexit hell. Photos now on Twitter of half-empty lorry decks on ferries which rather puts the final "its the ferries not Brexit" argument to the sword.

    Have been entertained by some of the local news coverage. Creatively and imaginatively finding ways to describe the issues without mentioning the B word. They did so once earlier in the week and generated a lot of ANGRY comments from trade experts INDIGNANT that anyone could possibly blame Brexit.

    Ah well.

    "Trade experts." I wonder if we know any?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,149

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    No, you miss the point. How do you *update* (and presumably recertify) the software when the rules change? Will Elon even care that some small country has just decided cars can go through red lights if nothing is coming between midnight and 5am? Or to take your example, when our Highway Code changed a few weeks back to give more priority to pedestrians and cyclists?
    You might have a point about whatever the certification process was but technically, yeah, they'd send the cars an update. And yes, they'll handle lots of different rules for different countries. Pre-self-driving you already had car navi systems, and they all had to be able to work out where you are and aren't allowed to go based on the every-changing rules. I think this is actually quite a lot easier than with human drivers, who aren't always paying attention to changes in the rules.

    Sort-of unrelatedly, there were some fun committee meetings in Japan recently where the car makers were meeting with police and transport bureaucrats and asking them which traffic rules, if any, they wanted them to break. For instance, motorways typically have a prevailing speed of say 60 mph, which suddenly drops to 20 as soon as you exit onto a slip road. If cars started taking those speed limits literally it would be absolute carnage...
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    edited April 2022

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    There’s some good fun to be had with the exceptions to the hard rules too.

    You must ignore traffic lights if there is a policeman directing traffic at an intersection, and it’s permissible to gingerly cross a red traffic light in order to not hold up a blue light behind.
    I noticed while waiting for my Ryanair flight on Sunday, and looking at the Permitted Items list for carrying on the plane, that you’re allowed to take your own parachute, life jacket and mountain rescue kit with you. I don’t think they’re allowed to include any of that in their measly luggage allowance. And surely a mountain rescue kit contains an axe of some kind?
    LOL, good question!

    A parachute kit definitely contains a very sharp knife, that’s used to cut away a failed main parachute before deploying the reserve.

    I’m not overly familiar with mountain rescue kit, but would expect to see knives, spiked shoes and walking poles in it, along with a way of starting a fire.

    As for a life jacket - well, there’s one under your seat ;)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302
    ping said:

    Thanks @malcolmg @MoonRabbit

    I’ve put a few quid on your tips. Good luck!

    Any Second Now, Longhouse Poet, Snow Leopardess, Fiddler on the Roof and Eclair Surf for me.

    Little saver on Run Wild Fred.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    = 3 x 7817. It may have thought it gave you 5 off 1 digit prime numbers
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    As any fool knows clearly divisible by 7817.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    Leon said:

    The wonderful city of Izmir has an excellent tradition of mussel houses


    There are dozens. You sit down and order a big bowl of mussels each stuffed with rice. No cutlery. Use one mussel shell to open the next. Squeeze on some lemon juice. Add salt. Eat. Do the next. Pop in the odd pickled chili pepper for variety

    Sit back and listen to the call for prayer rolling across the Ottoman square as everyone totally ignores Ramadan

    A spiffing Saturday brunch





    Yorkshire has daffodils!

    https://www.facebook.com/FarndaleDaffodilValley/
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    It’s confused with 23431, or maybe 23459.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    There’s some good fun to be had with the exceptions to the hard rules too.

    You must ignore traffic lights if there is a policeman directing traffic at an intersection, and it’s permissible to gingerly cross a red traffic light in order to not hold up a blue light behind.
    I noticed while waiting for my Ryanair flight on Sunday, and looking at the Permitted Items list for carrying on the plane, that you’re allowed to take your own parachute, life jacket and mountain rescue kit with you. I don’t think they’re allowed to include any of that in their measly luggage allowance. And surely a mountain rescue kit contains an axe of some kind?
    It's avalanche rescue bags with explosive auto activating air or nitrogen cylinders

    my quandary is walking poles. Do you check baggage solely because they are not allowed in cabins or hope to pick up a pair at destination?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    = 3 x 7817. It may have thought it gave you 5 off 1 digit prime numbers
    neither 1 nor 4 are prime, so it fails on that front too.

    Aside: quick test to work out whether a number divides by 3. Add the digits 2+3+4+5+1 = 15. 15 divides by 3, so the whole 5-digit number also divides by 3.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731

    ping said:

    Thanks @malcolmg @MoonRabbit

    I’ve put a few quid on your tips. Good luck!

    Any Second Now, Longhouse Poet, Snow Leopardess, Fiddler on the Roof and Eclair Surf for me.

    Little saver on Run Wild Fred.
    This betting thing doesn’t work if you back every runner!
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    you didn't specify a base, mind. Could be prime in base 6.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,458
    edited April 2022
    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    My knowledge of goblins and the like is primarily from my time as a spotty teenager playing D&D, but does that mean that "kobold" is from the same root?
    I've seen people think churchmen wouldn't use bladed weapons, which is not the case and seems to be believed because of D&D rules about monks.
    Doesn't that come from Odo of Bayeux apparently emphasising that he wasn't personally shedding blood (being a Bishop and all) and that getting conflated with him carrying a mace? As in his "not shedding blood thing" was by commanding troops rather than personal weapon choices, and the mace was just what leaders carried.
    That does sound about right, as there are definitely plenty of other churchmen who did shed blood personally.
    Besides which if you hit someone in the face with a mace there will be plenty of blood everywhere.
    I just love the idea God(s) are such sticklers for the letter of the rules, and accordingly He/She/They would not mind you murdering someone, or striking them down in battle, so long as no blood was spilled. It's God as a politician, claiming technically no rules were broken.
    “break [divine] law in a very specific and limited way”.
    Rather more about what does my philosophical tradition say about the balance this situation, and how to interpret what I am facing?

    Thinking of tank commander Most Rev Robert Runcie ABC, and his Military Cross for destroying anti-tank guns. Also present at the liberation of Belsen iirc.

    IMO the important thing is probably to *have* a tradition to be rooted in, rather than make tactical guesses.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,322

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    No, you miss the point. How do you *update* (and presumably recertify) the software when the rules change? Will Elon even care that some small country has just decided cars can go through red lights if nothing is coming between midnight and 5am? Or to take your example, when our Highway Code changed a few weeks back to give more priority to pedestrians and cyclists?
    You might have a point about whatever the certification process was but technically, yeah, they'd send the cars an update. And yes, they'll handle lots of different rules for different countries. Pre-self-driving you already had car navi systems, and they all had to be able to work out where you are and aren't allowed to go based on the every-changing rules. I think this is actually quite a lot easier than with human drivers, who aren't always paying attention to changes in the rules.

    Sort-of unrelatedly, there were some fun committee meetings in Japan recently where the car makers were meeting with police and transport bureaucrats and asking them which traffic rules, if any, they wanted them to break. For instance, motorways typically have a prevailing speed of say 60 mph, which suddenly drops to 20 as soon as you exit onto a slip road. If cars started taking those speed limits literally it would be absolute carnage...
    In the case of Tesla, at least, their existing software recognises traffic rules, and signs in the UK already, for example. And, according to people I know in various countries, does the same there.

    Any true self driving system (which Tesla is some way from) is going to have to be certified by each nation - effectively, can the car pass the driving test by itself?

    I think people underestimate the extent to which the big tech companies adapt their products to the various countries they sell in.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    you didn't specify a base, mind. Could be prime in base 6.
    Excellent point.
    In base 17, 23451 is our number 183023 in base 10, which is prime. Not only that, the base itself, 17, is prime.
    And to think I doubted it.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,983
    Sandpit said:



    A parachute kit definitely contains a very sharp knife, that’s used to cut away a failed main parachute before deploying the reserve.

    The UK forces get something that would be useful for peeling a persimmon while you drown in your tangled chute.



    I considered it insufficiently warry and substituted a Ka-Bar EK and later a Fairbairn-Sykes.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    ping said:

    ping said:

    Thanks @malcolmg @MoonRabbit

    I’ve put a few quid on your tips. Good luck!

    Any Second Now, Longhouse Poet, Snow Leopardess, Fiddler on the Roof and Eclair Surf for me.

    Little saver on Run Wild Fred.
    This betting thing doesn’t work if you back every runner!
    😂 .
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,002
    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    you didn't specify a base, mind. Could be prime in base 6.
    Excellent point.
    In base 17, 23451 is our number 183023 in base 10, which is prime. Not only that, the base itself, 17, is prime.
    And to think I doubted it.
    Somewhere in Utah, GPT3 is quietly laughing at you. In an eerie way. In a dark basement, with a picture of a nude Elon Musk on the wall
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,849

    ping said:

    Thanks @malcolmg @MoonRabbit

    I’ve put a few quid on your tips. Good luck!

    Any Second Now, Longhouse Poet, Snow Leopardess, Fiddler on the Roof and Eclair Surf for me.

    Little saver on Run Wild Fred.
    Be amazing you don't get places out of that lot at least, hopefully first and second and mine.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,056
    Leon said:

    The wonderful city of Izmir has an excellent tradition of mussel houses


    There are dozens. You sit down and order a big bowl of mussels each stuffed with rice. No cutlery. Use one mussel shell to open the next. Squeeze on some lemon juice. Add salt. Eat. Do the next. Pop in the odd pickled chili pepper for variety

    Sit back and listen to the call for prayer rolling across the Ottoman square as everyone totally ignores Ramadan

    A spiffing Saturday brunch





    Combing recent discussions on regional eating and art - Doncaster fish market now has two posho restaurants, one of which offers a £70 nine course tasting menu, and in the next street there are two independent art galleries.

    While there's plenty of people struggling with price rises there are also plenty of people with lots of money to spend.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,639
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    My knowledge of goblins and the like is primarily from my time as a spotty teenager playing D&D, but does that mean that "kobold" is from the same root?
    I've seen people think churchmen wouldn't use bladed weapons, which is not the case and seems to be believed because of D&D rules about monks.
    Doesn't that come from Odo of Bayeux apparently emphasising that he wasn't personally shedding blood (being a Bishop and all) and that getting conflated with him carrying a mace? As in his "not shedding blood thing" was by commanding troops rather than personal weapon choices, and the mace was just what leaders carried.
    That does sound about right, as there are definitely plenty of other churchmen who did shed blood personally.
    Besides which if you hit someone in the face with a mace there will be plenty of blood everywhere.
    I just love the idea God(s) are such sticklers for the letter of the rules, and accordingly He/She/They would not mind you murdering someone, or striking them down in battle, so long as no blood was spilled. It's God as a politician, claiming technically no rules were broken.
    “break [divine] law in a very specific and limited way”.
    Rather more about what does my philosophical tradition say about the balance this situation, and how to interpret what I am facing?

    Thinking of tank commander Most Rev Robert Runcie ABC, and his Military Cross for destroying anti-tank guns. Also present at the liberation of Belsen iirc.

    IMO the important thing is probably to *have* a tradition to be rooted in, rather than make tactical guesses.
    Hmm, despite PE's unkind nickname, I don't think the good Rev Runcie was a Rev or even cadet vicar when he was serving in the Forces. Not quite comparable to Bishop Odo. But that is only relevant if Archbish's and Moderators are supposed to be stricter followers of divine law than the average communicant.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,002
    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Farooq said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:



    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Computers are far better than humans at discrete variable problems. (See their chess ELO), but the difficulty is with continual variable ones that humans can find trivial (Driving)
    Ironically GPT-3 is absolutely abysmal at basic maths problems.
    Is it?


    “Solving (Some) Formal Math Olympiad Problems

    We built a neural theorem prover for Lean that learned to solve a variety of challenging high-school olympiad problems, including problems from the AMC12 and AIME competitions, as well as two problems adapted from the IMO.[1] The prover uses a language model to find proofs of formal statements. Each time we find a new proof, we use it as new training data, which improves the neural network and enables it to iteratively find solutions to harder and harder statements.”

    https://twitter.com/ai_news4/status/1512382283000524805?s=21&t=NLDsCEkxB_k3z9Pteok8Uw
    Ask GPT-3 to add 12641 to 3715 and it will get it wrong.

    Because it has no model of mathematics.

    It can (mostly) do 1 and 2 digit arithmetic correctly because the corpus will have plenty examples but once it goes beyond that it is all at sea.
    I just asked it to give me a 5-digit prime number, and I was told "23451". Hmm.
    you didn't specify a base, mind. Could be prime in base 6.
    Excellent point.
    In base 17, 23451 is our number 183023 in base 10, which is prime. Not only that, the base itself, 17, is prime.
    And to think I doubted it.
    Somewhere in Utah, GPT3 is quietly laughing at you. In an eerie way. In a dark basement, with a picture of a nude Elon Musk on the wall
    To further this point, someone on Twitter said the other day, if GPT3 - or 4 or 7 or DALLE-29 - does achieve intelligence and even consciousness, it may be in a form which is not understandable for humans, so we will NEVER recognise it for what it is

    That made me think. In a human way
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,639
    THis thread has been eaten with rice, chilli pepper and lemon juice. (You can tell I'm hungry, just reading Leon.)
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    Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,743

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    The tend in AI is for dramatic early advances and then agonisingly slow incremental advances mostly gated by raw computing power rather than interesting techniques.

    The the first computer vision controlled self driving cars were on the roads in the 1980s.
    By 1995 a prof in Korea drove Seoul to Busan in a fully autonomous self driving car powered by an Intel 386 - a chip that couldn't even do floating point maths.

    That's like 30 years ago. Since then the improvements have been tiny - because the devil is in the detail. Genuine Full Self Driving has a near infinite number of problems to solve. You can solve dozens of difficult meaty problems and still end up with a car that accelerates into heavy traffic at an intersection because a duck flew across its sensor line.
    Not just the self-driving that is the problem. How will you update the car's software next time Grant Shapps rewrites three paragraphs in the Highway Code? Or to generalise the problem, how will (or even just will) the carmakers program their cars for different traffic rules around the world?
    That's the simplest part of the problem, actually. Hard rules on X gives way to Y are easy.

    it's the fuzzy stuff about driving down a poorly lit road with few marking (say), potential pedestrians and a dog runs across the road as someone pulls out of a driveway - that is where the fun is.
    No, you miss the point. How do you *update* (and presumably recertify) the software when the rules change? Will Elon even care that some small country has just decided cars can go through red lights if nothing is coming between midnight and 5am? Or to take your example, when our Highway Code changed a few weeks back to give more priority to pedestrians and cyclists?
    You might have a point about whatever the certification process was but technically, yeah, they'd send the cars an update. And yes, they'll handle lots of different rules for different countries. Pre-self-driving you already had car navi systems, and they all had to be able to work out where you are and aren't allowed to go based on the every-changing rules. I think this is actually quite a lot easier than with human drivers, who aren't always paying attention to changes in the rules.

    Sort-of unrelatedly, there were some fun committee meetings in Japan recently where the car makers were meeting with police and transport bureaucrats and asking them which traffic rules, if any, they wanted them to break. For instance, motorways typically have a prevailing speed of say 60 mph, which suddenly drops to 20 as soon as you exit onto a slip road. If cars started taking those speed limits literally it would be absolute carnage...
    Traffic conditions vary according to human behaviour as much as the formal rules of the road. In Wellfleet Mass I was briefly confused when waiting to cross the street when the traffic spontaneously stopped for me. People there are nice like that. In Saigon I was amazed, when launching myself across a 10-lane boulevard, to find the cars and motor bikes harmlessly weaving around me. People are nice like that, too, but in a different way.

    When city streets are full of well-behaved automatic cars programmed to avoid pedestrians, what's to stop pedestrians regaining their birthright by walking across the road whenever they feel like?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,859
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:



    A parachute kit definitely contains a very sharp knife, that’s used to cut away a failed main parachute before deploying the reserve.

    The UK forces get something that would be useful for peeling a persimmon while you drown in your tangled chute.



    I considered it insufficiently warry and substituted a Ka-Bar EK and later a Fairbairn-Sykes.
    LOL yeah, not sure I’d be too keen to trust that rather blunt-looking instrument in a life-or-death scenario, when taking two goes at it costs a few hundred feet you don’t have!
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,368

    By coincidence Die Hard 4.0 was on "Great Movies" just now :)

    By mistake one assumes.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,480
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Warsaw summons French ambassador after Macron calls Polish PM ‘anti-Semite'

    https://www.ft.com/content/c279ba21-35a0-4a7e-a8a8-5128527c55e0

    Anything to do with electioneering? (Innocent face).
    Yes. But also to do with the Polish PM's antisemitism.
    In the context of Russia invading its neighbours to 'denazify' them, it might not be a wise narrative to promote.

    @SamRamani2
    The Russian Foreign Ministry transfers its "denazification" rhetoric on Ukraine to Latvia:

    "The ruling regime in Latvia has long been well known for its neo-Nazi preferences and attempts to whitewash the atrocities of Nazi Germany 's henchmen"


    https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1512491275630559244
    Are we allowed to mention Russia being an ally of Nazi Germany and sending it war matériel for two years? Or is that something Russians seek to whitewash?
    Do we have the nuance to debate that at present? Requires excursions into all kinds of realpolitik...
    Trading was one thing; the outcome of Molotov//Ribbentrop quite another - the joint dismemberment of Poland, with Russia indulging in similar mass murder to that perpetrated by Hitler.
    Until the Holocaust.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,316

    Leon said:

    The wonderful city of Izmir has an excellent tradition of mussel houses


    There are dozens. You sit down and order a big bowl of mussels each stuffed with rice. No cutlery. Use one mussel shell to open the next. Squeeze on some lemon juice. Add salt. Eat. Do the next. Pop in the odd pickled chili pepper for variety

    Sit back and listen to the call for prayer rolling across the Ottoman square as everyone totally ignores Ramadan

    A spiffing Saturday brunch





    Yorkshire has daffodils!

    https://www.facebook.com/FarndaleDaffodilValley/
    Cornwall hates daffodils.
    Anger after council refuses to replant daffodils in play park over 'health and safety' fears
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/st-blaise-town-council-in-cornwall-daffodils-cut-down-health-and-safety-150247506.html
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,368
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    Shit shit shit.

    OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.

    So I'm going bottom right is the fake.

    (All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
    Same.
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    Carnyx said:

    Good morning all. Unless you live in Kent where its Day 10 of Brexit hell. Photos now on Twitter of half-empty lorry decks on ferries which rather puts the final "its the ferries not Brexit" argument to the sword.

    Have been entertained by some of the local news coverage. Creatively and imaginatively finding ways to describe the issues without mentioning the B word. They did so once earlier in the week and generated a lot of ANGRY comments from trade experts INDIGNANT that anyone could possibly blame Brexit.

    Ah well.

    "Trade experts." I wonder if we know any?
    If that was aimed at me I'm a trader, not a trade expert. But the commentators on the likes of Kent Live are in denial.

    It isn't the P&O issue - half-empty ferries not a shortage of space
    It isn't because its Easter - because family cars don't go on truck decks or freight shuttles
    It isn't maintenance downtime - as with the other two issues they would impact both sides of the channel equally and there is zero disruption in France
    It IS the collapse of the customs computer system. The one that HMRC told the Tories wouldn't be able to cope with the number of transactions. That is being expected to anyway.

    The real long term damage is on Britain's ability to trade. Truckers describing this as "Manston 2". As in being corralled in their trucks with no facilities for days on end. We saw a drop off in EU companies willing to come across to the UK after that debacle, and we can expect the same after this. Paying astronomical money to bring in anything slowly.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,368

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Everyone seems a bit bored. So here’s a game

    Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts

    Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun


    I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.

    If it is top right then that's just cheating.
    Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?

    Not yet. They’ve tried Vermeer and Da Vinci and the results are a bit meh. Interesting but you’d never be in doubt (as you really are with Kandinsky)

    But this technology is 1 year old and has improved 1000 times in that one year - going from Dalle-1 to Dalle-2.

    The first iteration could do quirky cartoons well from just a prompt - “draw a Japanese radish walking a dog” - and it was pretty astonishing. In its own way. But that’s all it could do, really. This is in a different league

    Imagine Dalle-5 in 3 years? If this trend continues?
    If it can be done with Vermeer using actual originals I shall give up. It would be like producing a convincing late Beethoven string quartet, a Mozart/Da Ponte opera or a PG Wodehouse as Wodehouseian as 'The Code of the Woosters'.

    There are already many artists on Twitter expressing existential dread. As well they might

    This is epochal
    I think that ignores the artist as brand which is what the tiny percentage of rich practitioners are when it comes down to it. Collectors and/or people with too much cash love the openings, being schmoozed by gallery owners and meeting the great man (or less frequently woman). Getting something emailed to you from vrx23 won’t really give the same thrill.

    At the other end of the market people like buying something affordable that looks good and is made by a human hand.
    Exactly. Physical art itself is already obsolete - painting, drawing and sculpture stopped being the best way of conveying reality with the advent of photography. That's when it became an aesthetical choice. If the artist is no longer the best means of creating art, that doesn't matter, people will still choose art created by artists.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,717

    By coincidence Die Hard 4.0 was on "Great Movies" just now :)

    By mistake one assumes.
    It's a masterpiece compared to 5.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited April 2022

    Leon said:

    The wonderful city of Izmir has an excellent tradition of mussel houses


    There are dozens. You sit down and order a big bowl of mussels each stuffed with rice. No cutlery. Use one mussel shell to open the next. Squeeze on some lemon juice. Add salt. Eat. Do the next. Pop in the odd pickled chili pepper for variety

    Sit back and listen to the call for prayer rolling across the Ottoman square as everyone totally ignores Ramadan

    A spiffing Saturday brunch





    Yorkshire has daffodils!

    https://www.facebook.com/FarndaleDaffodilValley/
    Cornwall hates daffodils.
    Anger after council refuses to replant daffodils in play park over 'health and safety' fears
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/st-blaise-town-council-in-cornwall-daffodils-cut-down-health-and-safety-150247506.html
    Whaaaaaaaat? Soft Southern pansies!
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    Yes, it is consistent. C becomes G after certain prepositions. E.g. you have 'cadw' (to keep) which becomes 'am gadw' (for keeping) or 'yng ngadw' (in accordance with).

    Similarly, G would disappear altogether if it were the first letter under the same rules. 'Gorsaf' is 'station' but it becomes 'am orsaf' (for the station).

    It's called 'soft mutation.' So 'coblyn' could become 'i goblyn' (with some difficulty) but that would not be the actual noun.

    So, the short answer is, it's talking bollocks.

    (As 'goblin' in Welsh would in any case be 'bwca' it's even better bollocks.)
    So to be clear, "coblyn" would be the lemma, meaning wherever OpenAI got this "idea" from, it probably wasn't an etymology dictionary, since the entry would have been under "coblyn". Hmmm, I'd love to see the working that led it that answer.
    I think it’s because there isn’t an exact read across from ‘goblin’ to ‘bwca’ so Google Translate renders goblin as ‘goblin’ in Welsh.

    Which goes to show, garbage in, garbage out. A human would feel there was something odd about that. A computer didn’t.
    Oh, cool, "bwca" is related to "spook".
    Are you using GPT3? What interface, may I ask?
    No, in that case I was using an etmology dictionary. But the OpenAI stuff I was talking about a little earlier is the same people who make the cool pictures you've been sharing. It's OpenAI.com.
    They've got a whole bunch of capabilities. I asked it to create some Python code that could scrape information out of a web page and it worked.

    No, I need to stop here and really underline what I just said.
    I typed in natural English what I wanted the code to do, and the AI wrote the code.

    If anyone's brains aren't exploding right now, you haven't understood the nexus we're reaching. This changes everything.

    Anyway, back to your question. You need to sign up for this. I did this a while ago for the OpenAI platform in general because it's wildly cool and I want to play more. But I didn't hear about the art stuff til yesterday so I'm not "in" on that one yet.
    Particularly given how hard it seems to be to get a human programmer to do what you want.

    I am learning a new bit of software where the "edit" button (which I will be using alot) is next to the "delete" button (which I will hardly ever have occasion to use). There is also apparently no way to undo mistakes, and this is all in realtime in the live data.
    Don’t blame us coders: these sort of decisions get made by committees of UX designers, product managers, project managers and if you’re really, really lucky maybe a token programmer. I’ve lost count of the number of times when I’ve flagged up questionable design decisions (I’m quite certain my team’s UX designer hates me). Sometimes I win. Sometimes.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,578
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Warsaw summons French ambassador after Macron calls Polish PM ‘anti-Semite'

    https://www.ft.com/content/c279ba21-35a0-4a7e-a8a8-5128527c55e0

    Anything to do with electioneering? (Innocent face).
    Yes. But also to do with the Polish PM's antisemitism.
    In the context of Russia invading its neighbours to 'denazify' them, it might not be a wise narrative to promote.

    @SamRamani2
    The Russian Foreign Ministry transfers its "denazification" rhetoric on Ukraine to Latvia:

    "The ruling regime in Latvia has long been well known for its neo-Nazi preferences and attempts to whitewash the atrocities of Nazi Germany 's henchmen"


    https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1512491275630559244
    Are we allowed to mention Russia being an ally of Nazi Germany and sending it war matériel for two years? Or is that something Russians seek to whitewash?
    Do we have the nuance to debate that at present? Requires excursions into all kinds of realpolitik...
    Trading was one thing; the outcome of Molotov//Ribbentrop quite another - the joint dismemberment of Poland, with Russia indulging in similar mass murder to that perpetrated by Hitler.
    Until the Holocaust.
    Worth noting that over the period 39-40 there were serious discussions in our government as to declaring war on the Soviets as well as Nazi Germany, during the Winter War with Finland.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_plans_for_intervention_in_the_Winter_War



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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,014
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    Yes, it is consistent. C becomes G after certain prepositions. E.g. you have 'cadw' (to keep) which becomes 'am gadw' (for keeping) or 'yng ngadw' (in accordance with).

    Similarly, G would disappear altogether if it were the first letter under the same rules. 'Gorsaf' is 'station' but it becomes 'am orsaf' (for the station).

    It's called 'soft mutation.' So 'coblyn' could become 'i goblyn' (with some difficulty) but that would not be the actual noun.

    So, the short answer is, it's talking bollocks.

    (As 'goblin' in Welsh would in any case be 'bwca' it's even better bollocks.)
    How do you pronounce bwca?

    B-wi-tha?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    OpenAI just gave a very strange answer to an admittedly strange question:

    What is the etymology of the word "goblin"?

    The word "goblin" is derived from the Welsh word "goblyn" which means "little goblin".

    As best I can tell this is totally fictional! There certainly is a Welsh word "coblyn" and I cannot find a Welsh etymology dictionary, but the English etymology I've looked at so far states a route from Old French and ultimately an Ancient Greek word, kobalas.

    I suppose it's just about possible it came that way into Old Welsh first and then later in English, but the bit that's intriguing me is the C/G distinction. Do we have Welsh speakers here who can comment on the way a word like this would be listed in a dictionary. I'm aware that C and G can change depending on what word comes before in a sentence (so you might see Cymru or Gymru) but is there a regular pattern to it? I.e. the C form is the lemma and the G form always the modified form? Or does it go both ways?

    Yes, it is consistent. C becomes G after certain prepositions. E.g. you have 'cadw' (to keep) which becomes 'am gadw' (for keeping) or 'yng ngadw' (in accordance with).

    Similarly, G would disappear altogether if it were the first letter under the same rules. 'Gorsaf' is 'station' but it becomes 'am orsaf' (for the station).

    It's called 'soft mutation.' So 'coblyn' could become 'i goblyn' (with some difficulty) but that would not be the actual noun.

    So, the short answer is, it's talking bollocks.

    (As 'goblin' in Welsh would in any case be 'bwca' it's even better bollocks.)
    How do you pronounce bwca?

    B-wi-tha?
    BOOK-ar.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,910
    Who was 5th and 6th
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