(3) A dividend paid by a company which is a resident of India to a resident of the United Kingdom may be taxed in the United Kingdom. The dividend may also be taxed in India but the Indian tax so charged shall not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the dividend.
As someone who has worked for HMRC you come into contact every day with people who live in the UK and pay tax on foreign income in that jurisdiction. It isn't the slightest bit controversial and I've never known anyone think there was something wrong in this.
What is bizarre is the non-dom status. If you are in the UK for 183 days in a tax year I don't see why you should be claiming non-dom status. There may be particular exceptions for someone seconded to work in the UK from a foreign company, family reasons like a sick relative or if you were stuck in the UK due to covid. But I wouldn't expect these to extend into multiple years.
I wouldn't start abusing the chancellor's wife. It is part of a wider culture where this has been seen as normal. I also have no time for Ed Miliband's 'It's legal but it's not right.' Ed you're a politician not the Archbishop of Cantebury. I don't want a moral lecture (and judging by the 2015 election neither do most people). If you don't like the law tells us how you would change it.
Why do we have this laxity around domiciliary status? I don't know but I wonder if it has something to do with the US and its approach to taxing its own citizens wherever they be. Are we worried Americans will leave Britain if the non-dom rules are changed? Personally I think we should have more respect for ourselves than to pretend that people who are living here are not really living here.
Good points - she was following the rules, so if there is something wrong with the rules, then they should be changed.
It is quite amusing (albeit depressing) to see how supposedly wise and smart people on this website turn in to a Robin Hood like mob whenever the affairs of the very rich are discussed.
Not as funny as the ones who sense an opportunity to cringe and fawn before their insect overlords. I am a fairly well-heeled tory, and I've never seen anything to suggest I'm not a fuck of a lot wiser and smarter than you are, and I think the rich are too rich. There is absolutely no inherent reason to think that view is untenable.
Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.
Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.
Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.
If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.
We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.
The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
Making tax- free gains on my ISA doesn't feel right, but the government has set the system up to incentivise that kind of behaviour.
The cost and availability of professional indemnity insurance in the construction industry has changed massively since Grenfell, also increasing costs such as legal fees...
Fluctuating prices of materials is leading to unwillingness for builders to enter into fixed price lump sum contracts, etc.
(3) A dividend paid by a company which is a resident of India to a resident of the United Kingdom may be taxed in the United Kingdom. The dividend may also be taxed in India but the Indian tax so charged shall not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the dividend.
As someone who has worked for HMRC you come into contact every day with people who live in the UK and pay tax on foreign income in that jurisdiction. It isn't the slightest bit controversial and I've never known anyone think there was something wrong in this.
What is bizarre is the non-dom status. If you are in the UK for 183 days in a tax year I don't see why you should be claiming non-dom status. There may be particular exceptions for someone seconded to work in the UK from a foreign company, family reasons like a sick relative or if you were stuck in the UK due to covid. But I wouldn't expect these to extend into multiple years.
I wouldn't start abusing the chancellor's wife. It is part of a wider culture where this has been seen as normal. I also have no time for Ed Miliband's 'It's legal but it's not right.' Ed you're a politician not the Archbishop of Cantebury. I don't want a moral lecture (and judging by the 2015 election neither do most people). If you don't like the law tells us how you would change it.
Why do we have this laxity around domiciliary status? I don't know but I wonder if it has something to do with the US and its approach to taxing its own citizens wherever they be. Are we worried Americans will leave Britain if the non-dom rules are changed? Personally I think we should have more respect for ourselves than to pretend that people who are living here are not really living here.
Good points - she was following the rules, so if there is something wrong with the rules, then they should be changed.
It is quite amusing (albeit depressing) to see how supposedly wise and smart people on this website turn in to a Robin Hood like mob whenever the affairs of the very rich are discussed.
Not at all. They, we turn into political analysts.
It was a dreadful political move by Rishi who is of course Chancellor of the Exchequer. Oh his wife, you say? Well of course but his wife, happily or sadly, is part of the totality of his political entity.
Had a bit of a nightmare on my first night in Roses. I’d booked two nights at some cheap place for the night, and hadn’t noticed that it had a really early check in time. I was enjoying my dinner (a huge steak with roasted vegetables, washed down with a bottle of local red) when I realised I’d missed a couple of messages from the property. I rushed down the steak, then rushed up the road across town to find the place. I was quite out of breath when I arrived, and maybe not looking my best; the lady who owned the place, I presume, opened the door took one look at me and said “You are drunk, go away.” And slammed the door in my face..
I headed back down to the town centre trying to find a suitable replacement hotel, but everything was looking very expensive. I sat down outside a bar, got another glass of wine and was just about to book a room that cost more than the last three nights put together. I then heard an enthusiastic Dutch accented greeting, looked up and saw a young chap, Enzio, from Amsterdam who I’d met at a bar the day before in Figueres.
I told him how my evening had gone, and that I was about to book the new hotel; he insisted that I stay in the spare room at the apartment he had rented for the month. So I went out drinking with young Enzio. Then we smoked like Dutch teenagers. Needless to say I didn’t get much done yesterday! I took my new pal out for dinner last night to say thanks (we had a jamon feast that cost as much as the room I got shut out of)- he also let me get all my washing done at his place which was rather handy.
I booked myself a cheap but pretty nice room for last night and I’m just having some breakfast before heading out for my next trek.
A certain travel writer better watch out, there’s a new game in town
I'm shocked. You went to Roses and ate steak. There are many excellent fish restaurants in Roses- or at least there were when I was there many years ago.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
A great Topham yesterday. Gives me the heebeegeebies when they have a loose horse following them round for most of the way. I thought at the Canal Turn where they pull out right it might all come to grief.
I'm on Run Wild Fred although I can't remember why so please don't treat it as a tip.
Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.
Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.
Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.
If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.
We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.
The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
Making tax- free gains on my ISA doesn't feel right, but the government has set the system up to incentivise that kind of behaviour.
Please advise.
Because you can does not mean you have to. Also pathetic attempt at trying to compare millionaires avoiding tax schemes with piddling isa for the peasant,s. Is non dom limited to a piddling amount a year.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
Morning, Malky. Have a good week with the lads. If you are going to the Tank Museum it's worth checking with them in advance as they sometimes have one or two tanks driving around for half an hour, even in ordinary weekdays. Makes a difference to see one running.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
A great Topham yesterday. Gives me the heebeegeebies when they have a loose horse following them round for most of the way. I thought at the Canal Turn where they pull out right it might all come to grief.
I'm on Run Wild Fred although I can't remember why so please don't treat it as a tip.
Must have a good shout Topping, ran well at Cheltenham and in Irish national last year so gets the 4 miles and decent jumper, rest is getting a clear run.
Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.
Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.
Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.
If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.
We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.
The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
Making tax- free gains on my ISA doesn't feel right, but the government has set the system up to incentivise that kind of behaviour.
Please advise.
Because you can does not mean you have to. Also pathetic attempt at trying to compare millionaires avoiding tax schemes with piddling isa for the peasant,s. Is non dom limited to a piddling amount a year.
I'm afraid you've just exposed yourself as hopelessly out of of touch
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If you need any advice on Leith, I'm here to help.
Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.
Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.
Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.
If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.
We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.
The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
Making tax- free gains on my ISA doesn't feel right, but the government has set the system up to incentivise that kind of behaviour.
Please advise.
Because you can does not mean you have to. Also pathetic attempt at trying to compare millionaires avoiding tax schemes with piddling isa for the peasant,s. Is non dom limited to a piddling amount a year.
I'm afraid you've just exposed yourself as hopelessly out of of touch
If you're chucking money into an ISA every month you have to consider yourself pretty wealthy. ISAs are regressive.
Cash ISAs are pretty useless - until interest rates go up again. But holding shares in them is well worthwhile (and makes one's tax return filling in a lot easier) from the point of view of CGT. So the only current use of cash ISAs is to hold one's annual allowance till one wants to buy shares with the money by transfer into a stocks and shares account.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If you need any advice on Leith, I'm here to help.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Also morning, Malc. Have a good day. Sunny here, but 0C.
(3) A dividend paid by a company which is a resident of India to a resident of the United Kingdom may be taxed in the United Kingdom. The dividend may also be taxed in India but the Indian tax so charged shall not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the dividend.
As someone who has worked for HMRC you come into contact every day with people who live in the UK and pay tax on foreign income in that jurisdiction. It isn't the slightest bit controversial and I've never known anyone think there was something wrong in this.
What is bizarre is the non-dom status. If you are in the UK for 183 days in a tax year I don't see why you should be claiming non-dom status. There may be particular exceptions for someone seconded to work in the UK from a foreign company, family reasons like a sick relative or if you were stuck in the UK due to covid. But I wouldn't expect these to extend into multiple years.
I wouldn't start abusing the chancellor's wife. It is part of a wider culture where this has been seen as normal. I also have no time for Ed Miliband's 'It's legal but it's not right.' Ed you're a politician not the Archbishop of Cantebury. I don't want a moral lecture (and judging by the 2015 election neither do most people). If you don't like the law tells us how you would change it.
Why do we have this laxity around domiciliary status? I don't know but I wonder if it has something to do with the US and its approach to taxing its own citizens wherever they be. Are we worried Americans will leave Britain if the non-dom rules are changed? Personally I think we should have more respect for ourselves than to pretend that people who are living here are not really living here.
Good points - she was following the rules, so if there is something wrong with the rules, then they should be changed.
It is quite amusing (albeit depressing) to see how supposedly wise and smart people on this website turn in to a Robin Hood like mob whenever the affairs of the very rich are discussed.
Who's responsible for those rules? Oh yeah, her husband. Unlikely they will be changing any time soon, then. I think politicians' spouses should generally be kept out of things. But financial matters are different, because for most couples (especially with children) the line between one person's income and the other's is necessarily blurry. My wife and I have a single shared bank account, for instance. The idea of 'my' money and 'her' money is a fiction that exists only in the mind of the tax authorities.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Fascinating. I didn’t know that. When we go back we will certainly have to look that up. I’m fascinated by that sort of thing. Of course, it is the Jurassic coast.
The news yesterday had an article about a 100 million year old spider web being found in amber.
Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.
Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.
Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.
If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.
We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.
The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
Making tax- free gains on my ISA doesn't feel right, but the government has set the system up to incentivise that kind of behaviour.
Please advise.
Because you can does not mean you have to. Also pathetic attempt at trying to compare millionaires avoiding tax schemes with piddling isa for the peasant,s. Is non dom limited to a piddling amount a year.
I'm afraid you've just exposed yourself as hopelessly out of of touch
If you're chucking money into an ISA every month you have to consider yourself pretty wealthy. ISAs are regressive.
How did you get the leap from my comment to i am chucking money into an isa. I have no savings as such, unless you count my pension pot. I stick around a thousand into my pension a month but other than that I spend all my money, and I pay lots of tax but just to enrage the envious young, despite working and getting lots of lolly I do not pay NI.
Whatever the details that is how it looks for a lot of people. I'm sure most of us would take advantage of stupid legal rules to avoid paying, but when it makes no difference to such wealthy people it infuriates regular people as to why they bother to avoid it.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.
Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.
Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.
If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.
We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.
The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
Making tax- free gains on my ISA doesn't feel right, but the government has set the system up to incentivise that kind of behaviour.
Please advise.
Because you can does not mean you have to. Also pathetic attempt at trying to compare millionaires avoiding tax schemes with piddling isa for the peasant,s. Is non dom limited to a piddling amount a year.
I'm afraid you've just exposed yourself as hopelessly out of of touch
If you're chucking money into an ISA every month you have to consider yourself pretty wealthy. ISAs are regressive.
Cash ISAs are pretty useless - until interest rates go up again. But holding shares in them is well worthwhile (and makes one's tax return filling in a lot easier) from the point of view of CGT. So the only current use of cash ISAs is to hold one's annual allowance till one wants to buy shares with the money by transfer into a stocks and shares account.
If you are lucky enough to be between 18-40 years old then Lifetime ISAs should be considered. £4,000 gets you £5,000 from the off. You can do cash or S&S. T&Cs apply.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Also morning, Malc. Have a good day. Sunny here, but 0C.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If you need any advice on Leith, I'm here to help.
Please scowl at the shit new cycle lanes.
Currently there is sunshine on leith.
Is. There not always
Ps. Anyone know how to turn off autocorrect on a tablet, driving me mad
(3) A dividend paid by a company which is a resident of India to a resident of the United Kingdom may be taxed in the United Kingdom. The dividend may also be taxed in India but the Indian tax so charged shall not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the dividend.
As someone who has worked for HMRC you come into contact every day with people who live in the UK and pay tax on foreign income in that jurisdiction. It isn't the slightest bit controversial and I've never known anyone think there was something wrong in this.
What is bizarre is the non-dom status. If you are in the UK for 183 days in a tax year I don't see why you should be claiming non-dom status. There may be particular exceptions for someone seconded to work in the UK from a foreign company, family reasons like a sick relative or if you were stuck in the UK due to covid. But I wouldn't expect these to extend into multiple years.
I wouldn't start abusing the chancellor's wife. It is part of a wider culture where this has been seen as normal. I also have no time for Ed Miliband's 'It's legal but it's not right.' Ed you're a politician not the Archbishop of Cantebury. I don't want a moral lecture (and judging by the 2015 election neither do most people). If you don't like the law tells us how you would change it.
Why do we have this laxity around domiciliary status? I don't know but I wonder if it has something to do with the US and its approach to taxing its own citizens wherever they be. Are we worried Americans will leave Britain if the non-dom rules are changed? Personally I think we should have more respect for ourselves than to pretend that people who are living here are not really living here.
Good points - she was following the rules, so if there is something wrong with the rules, then they should be changed.
It is quite amusing (albeit depressing) to see how supposedly wise and smart people on this website turn in to a Robin Hood like mob whenever the affairs of the very rich are discussed.
They can't make rules for every individual so they use broad brushstrokes. It's easy to avoid inheritance tax if you have the means and the energy to bother but you don't need to be the Archbishop of Canterbury to sense that these methods of avoidance weren't intended to make the families of the rich even richer
(3) A dividend paid by a company which is a resident of India to a resident of the United Kingdom may be taxed in the United Kingdom. The dividend may also be taxed in India but the Indian tax so charged shall not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the dividend.
As someone who has worked for HMRC you come into contact every day with people who live in the UK and pay tax on foreign income in that jurisdiction. It isn't the slightest bit controversial and I've never known anyone think there was something wrong in this.
What is bizarre is the non-dom status. If you are in the UK for 183 days in a tax year I don't see why you should be claiming non-dom status. There may be particular exceptions for someone seconded to work in the UK from a foreign company, family reasons like a sick relative or if you were stuck in the UK due to covid. But I wouldn't expect these to extend into multiple years.
I wouldn't start abusing the chancellor's wife. It is part of a wider culture where this has been seen as normal. I also have no time for Ed Miliband's 'It's legal but it's not right.' Ed you're a politician not the Archbishop of Cantebury. I don't want a moral lecture (and judging by the 2015 election neither do most people). If you don't like the law tells us how you would change it.
Why do we have this laxity around domiciliary status? I don't know but I wonder if it has something to do with the US and its approach to taxing its own citizens wherever they be. Are we worried Americans will leave Britain if the non-dom rules are changed? Personally I think we should have more respect for ourselves than to pretend that people who are living here are not really living here.
Good points - she was following the rules, so if there is something wrong with the rules, then they should be changed.
It is quite amusing (albeit depressing) to see how supposedly wise and smart people on this website turn in to a Robin Hood like mob whenever the affairs of the very rich are discussed.
Who's responsible for those rules? Oh yeah, her husband. Unlikely they will be changing any time soon, then. I think politicians' spouses should generally be kept out of things. But financial matters are different, because for most couples (especially with children) the line between one person's income and the other's is necessarily blurry. My wife and I have a single shared bank account, for instance. The idea of 'my' money and 'her' money is a fiction that exists only in the mind of the tax authorities.
And Rishi and co know and agree with that in all things, hence disclosure rules, until someone dares to raise it. I liked a comment made that Rishi had utilised the political definition of a smear in his attempts to weasel this one, that is 'true but inconvenient'. Like how politicians suggest directly quoting them is a smear.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Lyme Regis is lovely. The coast in places is spectacular. Gorgeous villages inland
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
I’ll say nothing for the moment. Maybe others want to have a go
Any thoughts (tips) about the Grand National today team?
Tips for the Grand National?
1. Don’t bet on a 4m4f, 40-horse handicapped steeplechase?
Obviously not a betting or horse man
The sarcasm is tiresome.
This is a betting site.
I'm not a racing man (despite being part of SP Index Racing Club years ago), but I'm on Any Second Now ante post. My other Anti Post fancy withdrew.
I read that Two for Gold, Eclair Surf and Fortescue are well in at the weights. May have an outsider bet but waiting for our own champion tipster to report this morning.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
The museums/centres often do guided walks for fossil collectiong oin the beach BTW. But you can check in advance.
Isn't there an Army signals museum at Blandford Forum? Never been. And a Helicopter Museum at Weston super Mare. Haver not been for years.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
I’ll say nothing for the moment. Maybe others want to have a go
I'm saying bottom left fake. That's because I like it most and I'm going to be existentially depressed if I am right
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
I’ll say nothing for the moment. Maybe others want to have a go
I'm saying bottom left fake. That's because I like it most and I'm going to be existentially depressed if I am right
I was about to guess the same, for the same reason..
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Yes the Etches collection at kimmeridge is superb.
Had a bit of a nightmare on my first night in Roses. I’d booked two nights at some cheap place for the night, and hadn’t noticed that it had a really early check in time. I was enjoying my dinner (a huge steak with roasted vegetables, washed down with a bottle of local red) when I realised I’d missed a couple of messages from the property. I rushed down the steak, then rushed up the road across town to find the place. I was quite out of breath when I arrived, and maybe not looking my best; the lady who owned the place, I presume, opened the door took one look at me and said “You are drunk, go away.” And slammed the door in my face..
I headed back down to the town centre trying to find a suitable replacement hotel, but everything was looking very expensive. I sat down outside a bar, got another glass of wine and was just about to book a room that cost more than the last three nights put together. I then heard an enthusiastic Dutch accented greeting, looked up and saw a young chap, Enzio, from Amsterdam who I’d met at a bar the day before in Figueres.
I told him how my evening had gone, and that I was about to book the new hotel; he insisted that I stay in the spare room at the apartment he had rented for the month. So I went out drinking with young Enzio. Then we smoked like Dutch teenagers. Needless to say I didn’t get much done yesterday! I took my new pal out for dinner last night to say thanks (we had a jamon feast that cost as much as the room I got shut out of)- he also let me get all my washing done at his place which was rather handy.
I booked myself a cheap but pretty nice room for last night and I’m just having some breakfast before heading out for my next trek.
A certain travel writer better watch out, there’s a new game in town
I'm shocked. You went to Roses and ate steak. There are many excellent fish restaurants in Roses- or at least there were when I was there many years ago.
I did have some lovely local boquerones (anchovies) to start!
Anything to do with electioneering? (Innocent face).
Yes. But also to do with the Polish PM's antisemitism.
In the context of Russia invading its neighbours to 'denazify' them, it might not be a wise narrative to promote.
@SamRamani2 The Russian Foreign Ministry transfers its "denazification" rhetoric on Ukraine to Latvia:
"The ruling regime in Latvia has long been well known for its neo-Nazi preferences and attempts to whitewash the atrocities of Nazi Germany 's henchmen"
Are we allowed to mention Russia being an ally of Nazi Germany and sending it war matériel for two years? Or is that something Russians seek to whitewash?
Do we have the nuance to debate that at present? Requires excursions into all kinds of realpolitik.
Sweden supplied iron ore and so on to Nazi Germany for years, and Finland was an ally (the enemy of my enemy..) for much of the war. Even the UK and Germany both in measure tolerated the other trading with Sweden, and left such trade alone.
(It's a fascinating alt history question as to how the war would have proceeded had France and the UK not fluffed our occupation/invasion of Norway by about 3 days, and failed to do it. Lots of realpolitik - France worried about provoking Germany, and a French PM change, and then mainly the UK made some mistakes in the operation.
What value to have stopped Swedish trade with Germany?)
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
These really are quite astonishing. I'd have gone for top left on the not a Kandinsky's - but Topping's said that it is, so I presume that I'm wrong.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
If the question is genuine and not all four because of subtle changes my guess would be bottom left.
Good morning. It's possible that the disingenuous fat fornicator and Fishy Rishi will be out of post by the Autumn. Fascinating times.
Priti Patel for PM anyone? At least there will be no pretending then...
I fear we would not be so fortunate if they face such chaos that the top two both had to go - we might end up with Rees-Mogg, who's now actually in the Cabinet.
Interestingly the one name that rarely seems to come up as a replacement leader is Raab, despite being deputy PM. Yes it's a meaningless title, legally speaking, but it shows he must be very poorly regarded.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
(3) A dividend paid by a company which is a resident of India to a resident of the United Kingdom may be taxed in the United Kingdom. The dividend may also be taxed in India but the Indian tax so charged shall not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the dividend.
As someone who has worked for HMRC you come into contact every day with people who live in the UK and pay tax on foreign income in that jurisdiction. It isn't the slightest bit controversial and I've never known anyone think there was something wrong in this.
What is bizarre is the non-dom status. If you are in the UK for 183 days in a tax year I don't see why you should be claiming non-dom status. There may be particular exceptions for someone seconded to work in the UK from a foreign company, family reasons like a sick relative or if you were stuck in the UK due to covid. But I wouldn't expect these to extend into multiple years.
I wouldn't start abusing the chancellor's wife. It is part of a wider culture where this has been seen as normal. I also have no time for Ed Miliband's 'It's legal but it's not right.' Ed you're a politician not the Archbishop of Cantebury. I don't want a moral lecture (and judging by the 2015 election neither do most people). If you don't like the law tells us how you would change it.
Why do we have this laxity around domiciliary status? I don't know but I wonder if it has something to do with the US and its approach to taxing its own citizens wherever they be. Are we worried Americans will leave Britain if the non-dom rules are changed? Personally I think we should have more respect for ourselves than to pretend that people who are living here are not really living here.
Good points - she was following the rules, so if there is something wrong with the rules, then they should be changed.
It is quite amusing (albeit depressing) to see how supposedly wise and smart people on this website turn in to a Robin Hood like mob whenever the affairs of the very rich are discussed.
Not as funny as the ones who sense an opportunity to cringe and fawn before their insect overlords. I am a fairly well-heeled tory, and I've never seen anything to suggest I'm not a fuck of a lot wiser and smarter than you are, and I think the rich are too rich. There is absolutely no inherent reason to think that view is untenable.
Clearly not smart enough to see that.... by pursuing this cause, you are endangering your own position. A system of trial by public opinion over individuals private and lawful tax affairs is a bad path to be going down.
Are the rich too rich.... yeah probably. Why is income taxed at much higher levels than wealth... These are interesting questions.
I am stating the dead obvious here but anyone earning over 50k is basically forced in to tax efficiency planning or else they are just sitting handing over 50% of their income above a certain point to the government. Anyone dealing with inheritance and windfalls coming in is forced in to the same game. Start having a foreign spouse and overseas assets then tax planning becomes effectively a part time job.
If you start making moral judgements about things people do with tax..... then it is just a really, really bad idea. The only sound principle, is that you must absolutely follow the rules.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
These really are quite astonishing. I'd have gone for top left on the not a Kandinsky's - but Topping's said that it is, so I presume that I'm wrong.
How are you running these?
I’m not running them! A very lucky group of 400 coders, AI experts, scientists, etc - and ten artists - currently have direct access. One of the main reasons for this caution is that they are scared of the exceptional power of this machine intelligence
It can do a lot more than all this, if you investigate
I’m just plucking images from those that ARE playing with it
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Lyme Regis is lovely. The coast in places is spectacular. Gorgeous villages inland
Dorset is a charming part of the world
We love Swanage and Corfe castle. The walk from swanage to corfe and the views are stunning.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
Bottom right is the only one that looks in focus.
It's the one that you would make to look like a Kandinsky.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Shit shit shit.
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
If the question is genuine and not all four because of subtle changes my guess would be bottom left.
Difficult without knowing much about the algorithm.
But judging by what we have seen so far the prog seems to be very good at effectively combining derived / borrowed elements.
So I will also go for bottom left being the fake on the basis that it combines many elements in a smorgasboard, and Kandinskys known to me being pure and made of relatively few elements drawing much of their impact from arrangement / inter-relationships / combination.
The top right is in there as a red herring.
Top left and bottom right look like more oeuvre-Kandinsky.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
These really are quite astonishing. I'd have gone for top left on the not a Kandinsky's - but Topping's said that it is, so I presume that I'm wrong.
How are you running these?
I’m not running them! A very lucky group of 400 coders, AI experts, scientists, etc - and ten artists - currently have direct access. One of the main reasons for this caution is that they are scared of the exceptional power of this machine intelligence
It can do a lot more than all this, if you investigate
I’m just plucking images from those that ARE playing with it
Need to know a posting time that you will tell us the answer. Otherwise I'll be on PB all day!
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
I would say bottom left. Could be top left. Not the ones on the right. I guess it comes down to the thorny old question of what is art. Would Hamlet still be Hamlet if it had been written at random by monkeys with typewriters? My gut answer is no. If you just want a pretty picture on your wall maybe it doesn't matter whether it is a product of conscious human creativity or not. But that doesn't make it art.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
These really are quite astonishing. I'd have gone for top left on the not a Kandinsky's - but Topping's said that it is, so I presume that I'm wrong.
How are you running these?
I’m not running them! A very lucky group of 400 coders, AI experts, scientists, etc - and ten artists - currently have direct access. One of the main reasons for this caution is that they are scared of the exceptional power of this machine intelligence
It can do a lot more than all this, if you investigate
I’m just plucking images from those that ARE playing with it
I see. Yes I was somewhat aware of the prior work. I'll have to find some time to look at this new stuff.
Probably a good thing that it's not available to everyone - would be hard not to get into 'just one more picture' mode.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Lyme Regis is lovely. The coast in places is spectacular. Gorgeous villages inland
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Hope you enjoy the tank museum. I've been there a couple of times, the last one twelve or so years ago with my dad. I've probably been to 100 museums with my dad over the decades, and it was the only one where he, a pensioner, was wide-eyed with child-like wonder. It really connected with him - and our family has no connection with tanks (we do with heavy machinery, though...)
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
If it is anything like other "artist" programs, there will be a "no works may be offered for sale without the consent of the program author" in the Ts & Cs, and there may be something in there about the copyright in the "art" being an extension of the copyright in the program.
The money will go to the accountants and lawyers.
Though the money may also go to printing and framing services (art framing, not the Met), though those are commodified businesses.
Good morning. It's possible that the disingenuous fat fornicator and Fishy Rishi will be out of post by the Autumn. Fascinating times.
Priti Patel for PM anyone? At least there will be no pretending then...
I fear we would not be so fortunate if they face such chaos that the top two both had to go - we might end up with Rees-Mogg, who's now actually in the Cabinet.
Interestingly the one name that rarely seems to come up as a replacement leader is Raab, despite being deputy PM. Yes it's a meaningless title, legally speaking, but it shows he must be very poorly regarded.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Lyme Regis is lovely. The coast in places is spectacular. Gorgeous villages inland
Dorset is a charming part of the world
We love Swanage and Corfe castle. The walk from swanage to corfe and the views are stunning.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
Its very clever and perhaps very good.
And for very specific commissions might indeed be the future.
So your racoon is likely a better illustration of its abilities than an abstract as nice abstracts can be bought for under £100 at exhibitions.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Lyme Regis is lovely. The coast in places is spectacular. Gorgeous villages inland
Dorset is a charming part of the world
Cheers, will try to get to Lyme Regis
There's other things to see in LR, but if you have an extended visit, then the Undercliffs are a really interesting walk; and IMO quite unique on the coast.
(3) A dividend paid by a company which is a resident of India to a resident of the United Kingdom may be taxed in the United Kingdom. The dividend may also be taxed in India but the Indian tax so charged shall not exceed 15 per cent of the gross amount of the dividend.
As someone who has worked for HMRC you come into contact every day with people who live in the UK and pay tax on foreign income in that jurisdiction. It isn't the slightest bit controversial and I've never known anyone think there was something wrong in this.
What is bizarre is the non-dom status. If you are in the UK for 183 days in a tax year I don't see why you should be claiming non-dom status. There may be particular exceptions for someone seconded to work in the UK from a foreign company, family reasons like a sick relative or if you were stuck in the UK due to covid. But I wouldn't expect these to extend into multiple years.
I wouldn't start abusing the chancellor's wife. It is part of a wider culture where this has been seen as normal. I also have no time for Ed Miliband's 'It's legal but it's not right.' Ed you're a politician not the Archbishop of Cantebury. I don't want a moral lecture (and judging by the 2015 election neither do most people). If you don't like the law tells us how you would change it.
Why do we have this laxity around domiciliary status? I don't know but I wonder if it has something to do with the US and its approach to taxing its own citizens wherever they be. Are we worried Americans will leave Britain if the non-dom rules are changed? Personally I think we should have more respect for ourselves than to pretend that people who are living here are not really living here.
Good points - she was following the rules, so if there is something wrong with the rules, then they should be changed.
It is quite amusing (albeit depressing) to see how supposedly wise and smart people on this website turn in to a Robin Hood like mob whenever the affairs of the very rich are discussed.
Not as funny as the ones who sense an opportunity to cringe and fawn before their insect overlords. I am a fairly well-heeled tory, and I've never seen anything to suggest I'm not a fuck of a lot wiser and smarter than you are, and I think the rich are too rich. There is absolutely no inherent reason to think that view is untenable.
Clearly not smart enough to see that.... by pursuing this cause, you are endangering your own position. A system of trial by public opinion over individuals private and lawful tax affairs is a bad path to be going down.
Are the rich too rich.... yeah probably. Why is income taxed at much higher levels than wealth... These are interesting questions.
I am stating the dead obvious here but anyone earning over 50k is basically forced in to tax efficiency planning or else they are just sitting handing over 50% of their income above a certain point to the government. Anyone dealing with inheritance and windfalls coming in is forced in to the same game. Start having a foreign spouse and overseas assets then tax planning becomes effectively a part time job.
If you start making moral judgements about things people do with tax..... then it is just a really, really bad idea. The only sound principle, is that you must absolutely follow the rules.
I need some tax efficiency planning tips. The foreign spouse is not an option.
How, on a betting site, on one of the biggest betting days of the whole year, the conversation has been allowed to devolve into art appreciation is beyond me.
Grand National Day - when I worked marking the board sin the bookies in the early 80s, THE busiest day of the year by far. You'd see all the "once-a-year" mob coming in and you'd have to show them how to fill in the betting slip. The shop would fill up for the race which was audio only back then of course and then after, apart from those lucky enough to have found the winner who'd impatiently wait for the shop manager and his assistant (only day in the year when two on settling duty) to settle up the bets, you wouldn't take a bet for the rest of the day and the shop would be emptier than an art appreciation course on Grand National day.
Good morning. It's possible that the disingenuous fat fornicator and Fishy Rishi will be out of post by the Autumn. Fascinating times.
Priti Patel for PM anyone? At least there will be no pretending then...
I saw her interviewed last night explaining why the UK is uniquely unable to allow Ukrainians entry to the UK because of our stringent tests. It was an astonishing performance. She smiled and seemed demonic. I thought for a moment she was eyeing up the interviewers neck. The interview ended abruptl
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Hope you enjoy the tank museum. I've been there a couple of times, the last one twelve or so years ago with my dad. I've probably been to 100 museums with my dad over the decades, and it was the only one where he, a pensioner, was wide-eyed with child-like wonder. It really connected with him - and our family has no connection with tanks (we do with heavy machinery, though...)
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Lyme Regis and Charmouth are worth visiting.
Another place is Kimmeridge Bay - is the nodding donkey still there? The moved Clavell Tower is also good.
The coast between there and the boring Lulworth Cove is the only place I've ever seen a Brocken Spectre, one misty morning. Saw an adder a few minutes later; and I've only ever seen one of those once before on a walk.
Today is Grand National day, the busiest day of the year for bookies. This is doubtless why the Bet365 half-stake back offer on each-way bets up to £125 expires at midday. Typically, online bookmakers will remove some functionality in order to cope with the expected load (and there is football as well, and the US Masters).
Longhouse Poet for me, though the more I stare at the card, the easier it is to believe any of them can win.
Stage door 14:25 Aintree Grand national 5:15 Snow Leopardess Eclair Surf
I like them Malc. MoonRabbit and Malc tip the same horse to win today. I’m pleased you are not put off by the motherhood question. There’s a question mark about Eclair Surfs jumping, and there’s so many jumps waiting for it, and that is what put me off.
🐎 Aintree 5.15
Snow Leopardess I think jumping is very important for this race. Snow Leopardess would be my pick on jumping. In fact my pick on everything - 15 placings from 19 starts under rules including 9 wins, 3m specialist, attacks early at the finish and gamely holds on if something has temerity to challenge. Form is perfect coming into this. Only 146 in the weights, what’s gone wrong there - our grey mare should have Laurel and Hardy strapped to the sides to give everyone else a chance! There’s your winner.
Put off by the birth thing? Don’t make “foalish” mistake, take a look at this
Fortescue Coming second in the race today is a horse that has already won for me over 3 miles this season. Not just won for me, meaning I carried out due diligence for that race, field and distance, but I noted down how impressed I was. Has raced once a month throughout the winter, progressive in all 5 races, on good to soft and softer. Career littered with 3m victories, with form and impressive finish. Only second today because it needed it a tad softer to win. Officially GN course is good to soft, but it’s going to be be too good for many who would prefer it softer.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Thanks Carnyx and taz. Hopefully get some time to see the coastline etc.
Hope you enjoy the tank museum. I've been there a couple of times, the last one twelve or so years ago with my dad. I've probably been to 100 museums with my dad over the decades, and it was the only one where he, a pensioner, was wide-eyed with child-like wonder. It really connected with him - and our family has no connection with tanks (we do with heavy machinery, though...)
Despite watching Fake or Fortune, and Britain's Lost Masterpieces, I've no idea who Kandinsky is. I mention this not in a spirit of philistinism or inverse snobbery but to propose a new measure of how posh your school was: does it teach History of Art?
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
Its very clever and perhaps very good.
And for very specific commissions might indeed be the future.
So your racoon is likely a better illustration of its abilities than an abstract as nice abstracts can be bought for under £100 at exhibitions.
Not very "OpenAI", LOL:
As with previous OpenAI work, the tool isn't being directly released to the public.
Despite watching Fake or Fortune, and Britain's Lost Masterpieces, I've no idea who Kandinsky is. I mention this not in a spirit of philistinism or inverse snobbery but to propose a new measure of how posh your school was: does it teach History of Art?
'Britain's Lost Masterpieces' is a gem of a show. Can't stand 'Fake or Fortune'.
It's odd how your perception of the presenters can matter more than the format...
However several of you seem to have quite intimate knowledge of Kandinsky so you are maybe ruled out?
The acid test is showing this to someone smart with little or no knowledge of Kandinsky. I did this last night to several people and they got it wrong
This is quite a dramatic moment: for me, AI has passed the “artistic Turing test”. It can create art indistinguishable from the art of a human, and in this case the art of a very famous human artist
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
I live a few miles away from Lyme. Perhaps the best view in England coming down the hill. The star attraction of the whole coast, and probably not overwhelmed by tourists yet, is still the Durdle Door/Stair Hole/Lulworth cove stretch though. One of those things everyone should see before they die..
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
How much does it cost ?
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I’m still amazed by this one
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
Its very clever and perhaps very good.
And for very specific commissions might indeed be the future.
So your racoon is likely a better illustration of its abilities than an abstract as nice abstracts can be bought for under £100 at exhibitions.
Not very "OpenAI", LOL:
As with previous OpenAI work, the tool isn't being directly released to the public.
That is something to be very wary of. Anyone who remembers fractal compression from the 1990s will understand why input matter. If they really want to get hype, let the likes of us loose on it.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
I'd guess bottom right as it looks a little too clean.
If it is top right then that's just cheating.
Serious question: Can this game be played with Vermeer or Gainsborough?
Documents seen by The Independent show trusts linked to Ms Murty, her family and companies linked to their businesses. In a number of them, Mr Sunak was listed as a beneficiary.
Wow, when her tax affairs first were reported I (a frothing at the mouth tax the rich until their pips squeak left-winger) didn't see what the issue was and felt that the "anger" totally confected.
Now.... now Sunak is showing all the sure foot of a blind arthritic elephant in a over crowded china shop.
The sad thing about this story is the emnity towards wealthy and successful people. There is no smoking gun here at all. Everything they have done is entirely legal. Being listed as a 'beneficiary' in a Cayman Islands trust.... so what.
If you don't like non dom status.... then scrap it. But if it is there, you cannot blame people for using it. And the expectation that she has somehow a greater obligation to Britain than anyone elses wife, is laughable. There are lots of international marriages going on; it is an inevitable consequence of globalisation. People are just projecting their own ideas about marriage - largely from a different age.... on to the Sunaks.
We have a shortage of sane and competent people going in to politics. These are the people that we elect to run the country. Why not have someone who is has been successful and is independently wealthy.... I don't see the problem. I have never been a particular fan of Sunak, but if he is hounded out over this it would be a bad loss.
The end point, is that no one successful, goes in to politics.... and we are nearly there already. We will just get a bunch of activists. We end up with Jared O'Mara 2; over and over again.
I mostly agree. From my left-wing position I think that frothing over individuals taking advantage of a deliberately-created loophole is a distraction and unfair as well. Change the system so that it rewards people for doing what we want - making nondom status vastly more expensive would be a start, so that in the end it's usually more sensible just to pay tax in the country where you live..
Decent people don't need rules to force them to do the right thing. If it doesn't feel right don't do it.
Making tax- free gains on my ISA doesn't feel right, but the government has set the system up to incentivise that kind of behaviour.
Please advise.
Because you can does not mean you have to. Also pathetic attempt at trying to compare millionaires avoiding tax schemes with piddling isa for the peasant,s. Is non dom limited to a piddling amount a year.
I'm afraid you've just exposed yourself as hopelessly out of of touch
The fall of Boris Becker is really quite spectacular.....
It’s surprisingly common among professional sportspeople, that they lose a lot of their purpose in life when they retire, and have got used to an expensive lifestyle they can’t give up when the money stops coming in.
Unusual for such a big worldwide household name though, but a modern sportsperson of similar success would have lifetime earnings way higher than Becker’s reported £30m.
Has Mrs Sunak just taken a ton of future tax income away from the Indian government and given it to UK?
He some dodge behind it, lots of talk re Cayman so who knows. Anyway risk in sights now with his green card stuff. You just cannot understand the greed of Tories in general.
Morning Malc. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Are you having a flutter today on the grand national ?
Hello taz, sunshine here. Hope all well with you and family. I have just posted my horses. I am on holiday next week, so off to Dorset, taking my grandson and his pal to tank and fleet airarm museums and raf cosford on way back. Hopefully some nice weather down there next week.
We’re all good thanks Malc, in Leith today, cloudy but nice, taking a walk to the botanical gardens today with a meal and visiting wife’s family in Glenrothes tomorrow.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
If the lads like fossils, too, there's also a nice new little museum at Kimmeridge, close to the beach (tides control access, though). Ditto Lyme Regis (museum), Charmouth (coast centre).
Yes the Etches collection at kimmeridge is superb.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
I would say bottom left. Could be top left. Not the ones on the right. I guess it comes down to the thorny old question of what is art. Would Hamlet still be Hamlet if it had been written at random by monkeys with typewriters? My gut answer is no. If you just want a pretty picture on your wall maybe it doesn't matter whether it is a product of conscious human creativity or not. But that doesn't make it art.
I think art is a communication. If it's all done by algorithm there's no communication and it's simply a forgery. The test is not how good Dalle-2 is at being Kandinsky. It's how good Dalle-2 is at being Wolfgang Beltracchi.
Despite watching Fake or Fortune, and Britain's Lost Masterpieces, I've no idea who Kandinsky is. I mention this not in a spirit of philistinism or inverse snobbery but to propose a new measure of how posh your school was: does it teach History of Art?
'Britain's Lost Masterpieces' is a gem of a show. Can't stand 'Fake or Fortune'.
It's odd how your perception of the presenters can matter more than the format...
And if your kids watch Art Ninja you get a good 3 minute grounding in art history each week.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Assuming I’m not too late, I would go with bottom right as well.
For me, the most punter-friendly card today is at Wolverhampton. The change in ground conditions and questions over fitness make betting on early season turf flat cards and end of season jump meetings risky at best.
The Stodge Saturday Patent heads to Dunstall Park and three to lay like an over-active hen are:
LOVE MYSTERY 4.57 LILKIAN 5.30 LUSCIFER 7.30
There's a thing, all my selections starting with "L" - a hint, a clue perhaps to events at Liverpool - surely not?
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F1: interesting qualifying session.
Will put up the pre-race nonsense some time today, unsure whether it'll be afternoon or evening.
Please advise.
Fluctuating prices of materials is leading to unwillingness for builders to enter into fixed price lump sum contracts, etc.
It was a dreadful political move by Rishi who is of course Chancellor of the Exchequer. Oh his wife, you say? Well of course but his wife, happily or sadly, is part of the totality of his political entity.
Great shame his car let him down.
Literally, my tips were the kiss of death....
I'm on Run Wild Fred although I can't remember why so please don't treat it as a tip.
The tank museum at Bovington is one of the best attractions I have ever been too. Went a few years back with some friends. It’s just stunning to see the advance in technology conflict brings. We also did a few dr who locations when down there
I’d recommend the monkey sanctuary at Wool as well. Hopefully you will get good weather.
This is a betting site.
Especially-if-you-are-married-to-the-Chancellor-of-the-Exchequer
https://www.ybs.co.uk/media-centre/savings-crisis/index.html
If you're chucking money into an ISA every month you have to consider yourself pretty wealthy. ISAs are regressive.
Please scowl at the shit new cycle lanes.
"Posted my horses" made me smile.
How does one wrap up a horse for posting?
I think politicians' spouses should generally be kept out of things. But financial matters are different, because for most couples (especially with children) the line between one person's income and the other's is necessarily blurry. My wife and I have a single shared bank account, for instance. The idea of 'my' money and 'her' money is a fiction that exists only in the mind of the tax authorities.
The news yesterday had an article about a 100 million year old spider web being found in amber.
And called it again. Has been an unusually successful season for me so far.
Last night - thanks to @FrancisUrquhart - we were discussing the new visually creative machine intelligence from OpenAI. Dalle-2. Which creates incredible art from simple language prompts
Here’s a puzzle. Which of these four Kandinskys is actually by Dalle-2? NO GOOGLING. That’s just boring and ruins the fun
Ps. Anyone know how to turn off autocorrect on a tablet, driving me mad
OK. Top left is a Kandinsky which makes me think that bottom right is the fake. But then again top right is not "typical" but then that is in there for a bluff as people will say oh it's that one so I'm going it's real. Which leaves bottom left. Again not "typical" but has a Kandinsky feel.
So I'm going bottom right is the fake.
(All credibility shot to pieces on PB with one post.)
Dorset is a charming part of the world
I can see it having an effect at a professional level but original art is surprisingly cheap.
I read that Two for Gold, Eclair Surf and Fortescue are well in at the weights. May have an outsider bet but waiting for our own champion tipster to report this morning.
Isn't there an Army signals museum at Blandford Forum? Never been. And a Helicopter Museum at Weston super Mare. Haver not been for years.
The prompt was
“A raccoon astronaut with the cosmos reflecting on the glass of his helmet dreaming of the stars”
With just that, Dalle-2 created this:
The wistful, sad, yearning, hopeful expression is perfect. A pro illustrator could not do better. So that’s quite a lot of people suddenly out of a job
Burrows Saint
Both in the Bet365 e/w offer.
Priti Patel for PM anyone? At least there will be no pretending then...
Only because it seems like an apt name for a GN winner in these miserable times.
Sweden supplied iron ore and so on to Nazi Germany for years, and Finland was an ally (the enemy of my enemy..) for much of the war. Even the UK and Germany both in measure tolerated the other trading with Sweden, and left such trade alone.
(It's a fascinating alt history question as to how the war would have proceeded had France and the UK not fluffed our occupation/invasion of Norway by about 3 days, and failed to do it. Lots of realpolitik - France worried about provoking Germany, and a French PM change, and then mainly the UK made some mistakes in the operation.
What value to have stopped Swedish trade with Germany?)
How are you running these?
Interestingly the one name that rarely seems to come up as a replacement leader is Raab, despite being deputy PM. Yes it's a meaningless title, legally speaking, but it shows he must be very poorly regarded.
Are the rich too rich.... yeah probably. Why is income taxed at much higher levels than wealth... These are interesting questions.
I am stating the dead obvious here but anyone earning over 50k is basically forced in to tax efficiency planning or else they are just sitting handing over 50% of their income above a certain point to the government. Anyone dealing with inheritance and windfalls coming in is forced in to the same game. Start having a foreign spouse and overseas assets then tax planning becomes effectively a part time job.
If you start making moral judgements about things people do with tax..... then it is just a really, really bad idea. The only sound principle, is that you must absolutely follow the rules.
It can do a lot more than all this, if you investigate
I’m just plucking images from those that ARE playing with it
But judging by what we have seen so far the prog seems to be very good at effectively combining derived / borrowed elements.
So I will also go for bottom left being the fake on the basis that it combines many elements in a smorgasboard, and Kandinskys known to me being pure and made of relatively few elements drawing much of their impact from arrangement / inter-relationships / combination.
The top right is in there as a red herring.
Top left and bottom right look like more oeuvre-Kandinsky.
I guess it comes down to the thorny old question of what is art. Would Hamlet still be Hamlet if it had been written at random by monkeys with typewriters? My gut answer is no. If you just want a pretty picture on your wall maybe it doesn't matter whether it is a product of conscious human creativity or not. But that doesn't make it art.
If it is top right then that's just cheating.
Probably a good thing that it's not available to everyone - would be hard not to get into 'just one more picture' mode.
The money will go to the accountants and lawyers.
Though the money may also go to printing and framing services (art framing, not the Met), though those are commodified businesses.
And for very specific commissions might indeed be the future.
So your racoon is likely a better illustration of its abilities than an abstract as nice abstracts can be bought for under £100 at exhibitions.
https://jurassiccoast.org/visit/attractions/the-undercliffs-reserve/
A glorious morning in East London.
How, on a betting site, on one of the biggest betting days of the whole year, the conversation has been allowed to devolve into art appreciation is beyond me.
Grand National Day - when I worked marking the board sin the bookies in the early 80s, THE busiest day of the year by far. You'd see all the "once-a-year" mob coming in and you'd have to show them how to fill in the betting slip. The shop would fill up for the race which was audio only back then of course and then after, apart from those lucky enough to have found the winner who'd impatiently wait for the shop manager and his assistant (only day in the year when two on settling duty) to settle up the bets, you wouldn't take a bet for the rest of the day and the shop would be emptier than an art appreciation course on Grand National day.
Welly-wanging may be replaced with turret-tossing.
Also, have a look at Dr Ian West's website if you do go to the coast.
https://wessexcoastgeology.soton.ac.uk/Kimmeridge-Bay.htm
The coast between there and the boring Lulworth Cove is the only place I've ever seen a Brocken Spectre, one misty morning. Saw an adder a few minutes later; and I've only ever seen one of those once before on a walk.
🐎 Aintree 5.15
Snow Leopardess
I think jumping is very important for this race. Snow Leopardess would be my pick on jumping. In fact my pick on everything - 15 placings from 19 starts under rules including 9 wins, 3m specialist, attacks early at the finish and gamely holds on if something has temerity to challenge. Form is perfect coming into this. Only 146 in the weights, what’s gone wrong there - our grey mare should have Laurel and Hardy strapped to the sides to give everyone else a chance! There’s your winner.
Put off by the birth thing? Don’t make “foalish” mistake, take a look at this
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/the-running-blog/2014/nov/04/does-childbirth-improve-athletic-ability
Go girl!
Fortescue
Coming second in the race today is a horse that has already won for me over 3 miles this season. Not just won for me, meaning I carried out due diligence for that race, field and distance, but I noted down how impressed I was. Has raced once a month throughout the winter, progressive in all 5 races, on good to soft and softer. Career littered with 3m victories, with form and impressive finish. Only second today because it needed it a tad softer to win. Officially GN course is good to soft, but it’s going to be be too good for many who would prefer it softer.
Whatever you put your money on, good luck. 🙋♀️
As with previous OpenAI work, the tool isn't being directly released to the public.
It's odd how your perception of the presenters can matter more than the format...
It is bottom left
However several of you seem to have quite intimate knowledge of Kandinsky so you are maybe ruled out?
The acid test is showing this to someone smart with little or no knowledge of Kandinsky. I did this last night to several people and they got it wrong
This is quite a dramatic moment: for me, AI has passed the “artistic Turing test”. It can create art indistinguishable from the art of a human, and in this case the art of a very famous human artist
Beware of hype.
Unusual for such a big worldwide household name though, but a modern sportsperson of similar success would have lifetime earnings way higher than Becker’s reported £30m.
https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2012/10/wolfgang-beltracchi-helene-art-scam
Or all of them and it’s a trick question…
The Stodge Saturday Patent heads to Dunstall Park and three to lay like an over-active hen are:
LOVE MYSTERY 4.57
LILKIAN 5.30
LUSCIFER 7.30
There's a thing, all my selections starting with "L" - a hint, a clue perhaps to events at Liverpool - surely not?