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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720

    Ballot Box Scotland shows a real bounce for Labour in Scotland - back up to where they were in 2017:

    https://ballotbox.scot/survation-march-2022

    SNP 45% and Labour 27% on the Westminster vote yes, SCons on 19%
  • The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    What on earth are you talking about

    This is exactly the position for labour

    And by the way I immediately posted this poll with the comment ' good poll for labour'

    You do seem to over react to polls at times
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Selebian said:

    PB Pendent Pundit Alert

    In recent comment yours truly referred to "45st POTUS" yet number of PBers calling me out was ZERO.

    Are standards slipping everywhere? Sadly, PB is NOT immune!

    You've called yourself out, so it's ok. Standards are not slipping, thanks to you :smile:
    IF yours truly is setting - or upholding - standards, then God help us all!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,088

    kinabalu said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    According to the BBC, Boris Johnson was given the "wrong information" over whether parties were held in Downing Street during Covid lockdowns, Jacob Rees-Mogg has said.

    And all of a sudden there's an excuse for making the underlings 'responsible'.

    That is course, until Johnson himself gets an FPN.

    Ignorance is no excuse in matters of the lawmakers
    Her Majesty’s Prime Minister ignorant of his own government’s legislation and what is going on at 10 Downing Street? Doesn’t wash.
    Given that his Head of Propriety and Ethics and the Head of the unit which was responsible for drafting the lockdown rules both managed to ignore and breach the rules, I'm not at all surprised that he reportedly thinks he did nothing wrong.

    No 10 sounds like a shambles and if those 2 are in any way representative of the advice that was being given it's not surprising.
    "Ok, so I told parliament the Covid rules had been followed when in fact there'd been multiple breaches so serious as to be criminal. And, yes, I'm aware that lying to parliament is a resigning matter. But, look, I wasn't lying because my operation is such a shambles that I didn't have a clue what was going on."

    This, believe it or not, would appear to be the line emerging.
    "Any Cabinet Minister caught lying to Parliament must immediately resign."

    - "Ah - but 'any' doesn't necessarily mean 'all,' does it?"
    No. And this isn't 'any' (old) cabinet minister. He's Boris Johnson and Boris Johnson is a special special person. Just ask him if you don't believe me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720
    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    Yes but we are not at war ourselves, even if our sympathies go out to the Ukrainians.

    Most UK general elections had a war going on somewhere else in the world at the same time
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,098

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Top attractions the airport and the clock tower, make sure you check them out.

    https://www.getyourguide.co.uk/izmir-l1082/viewing-points-tc238/

    Do they do gravy/curry and chips down along the front?
    It does feel like a rundown Sunderland on the Aegean

    I can’t wait for the sun to go down so I don’t have to look at it
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,505
    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443
  • Applicant said:

    The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    What a bizarre response.
    Hardly a thought through response to a fair comment
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    Seattle Times ($) via AP - Biden: Putin should face war crimes trial for Bucha killings

    I think that opinion is widely shared, sadly its going to be a struggle to get him there, when we have allies like Germany and Hungary.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,744
    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    Skiing wasn't a big thing back then. I guess there's some huge percentage of Brits at that time who travelled outside the UK simply to die.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,773

    kjh said:

    Cookie said:

    Applicant said:

    Applicant said:

    Just been pinged by the covid app telling me I was in close contact with someone who's tested positive. Happened on Friday when I went to see, with 700 other people, Stewart Lee ('Proper, vicious prejudice - a self-proclaimed inhabitant of the moral high ground' - Sarah Vine. 'A pot-bellied Bernard Manning for snowflakes.' - Tony Parsons) in Leeds. I've dodged the bug so far. Perhaps my time has come.

    Lee was excellent, by the way.

    I'm actually quite surprised that the covid app is still a thing, tbh.
    Very much so. When I caught Covid it urged me to self-isolate for 10 days, and gave me a countdown each day (today says "Good news! You were released from isolation at 23.59 last night") with various links for advice, guidance, current view of symptoms, etc., as well as giving me a ping showing when I'd probably caught it. I thought it very useful but the contrast with the "Oh, whatever" stance that the Government and some here seem to have adopted was quite stark.
    I never installed it - when it came out I was usuing an old phone that couldn't handle any more apps, and when I got a new phone I never thought I needed to. Why would I? It wasn't compulsory and no good could come from having it. I still occasionally see the QR codes in restaurants and the like, but haven't seen anyone scan one for at least a year, I would think.
    Nick is literally the only person I have heard of who still uses it. I'm serious. And Nick is A Bloke On The Internet (although admittedly a real person who is also A Bloke In Real Life).

    It sounds like it hasn't been updated for several decades. One for the bin Mr Palmer!
    (without wanting to insult Nick), he does come across as rather atypical in many respects e.g. the can't cook / won't cook / little enjoyment surrounding food.
    My father-in-law is like that. A highly idiosyncratic man in many ways. For work reasons, he has spent most of the time I have known him living three hours from 'home'. Never bothered to learn to cook - for the first six years he lived away, the only food he would eat was cod and chips from the local chippy. This was his diet roughly 49 days out of 50. One meal a day. Surprisingly, he is still alive.

    He got to know the owners of the chippy quite well, obviously. Ended up writing a letter on their behalf to the home office for some immigration-related reason. They never knew his name, though - they referred to him as 'Mr. Tottenham Hotspur' after his favourite conversation topic. Then one day he moved. I often wonder if they wonder what happened to him.

    That is basically my diet. Food of the gods. No fan of Spurs though. Occasionally I wonder about a Michelin-starred night out but reading the menus invariably puts me off.
    Food is the focus of my life. I love it. I love cooking also. And I really love Michelin star food. To be savoured. Last * meal was Sorrels in Dorking a couple of months ago.
    27 in Kingsbridge, south Devon is a delight. Jamie is worthy of a Michelin star or two. He does many things very well, but is a wizard with beef.
    A long way to go but the 7 course with matching wine looks interesting and not a bad price. I paid a lot more at Sorrels. Maybr a Devon break is called for. I do like Salcombe.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,464
    edited April 2022

    The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    Actually Big G and HY are right. The combination is 55, a little higher than the new normal, yet with Tories on healthy mid term 36, 39 with reform, this poll is still the same ship as the +2 lead ships only with a different lay out of deck chairs.

    Is this poll off topic. Starmer struggling when header written.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720
    edited April 2022
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    113 actually. Though yes would end up with a near repetition of the 2010 result. Only with Starmer as Cameron and Boris as Brown
    And the SNP as the Lib Dems.

    Unfortunately, the Lib Dems definitely wanted a coalition in Westminster to work, and the same can't be said of our Scottish friends.
    Though given Labour would be largest party, Starmer could still lead a minority government rather than a coalition and just dare the SNP to vote with the Tories on any contentious legislation
    Starmer must shiver in his sleep at such a thing. The SNP would clearly demand a referendum, but if they win it Labour are out of power and have a very dim shroud hanging over them.

    The LDs had such a nice easy ride with the Cameron-Clegg coalition. They're going to have a far worse time of it in the future.
    Yes but as long as Labour are largest party Starmer can largely ignore the SNP as they are unlikely to ever vote with the Tories. Only if the Tories are largest party would he have to give the SNP their referendum to get into power.

    Starmer would far rather deal with Davey than Blackford and Sturgeon if Labour + LDs has a majority in the Commons as Tories + LDs did in 2010 enabling the Cameron and Clegg deal
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Have to admit this was a very handy summary - we can usually see the people at the midpoint of 'it's complicated/no simple answers'.



    Michael Clarke, a defence and security analyst at the think tank Rusi, in London, says that these kind of responses are part of a Russian playbook.

    He told Sky News earlier:

    Quote Message: First of all, they deny everything. And then they try to obfuscate, they create stuff on social media, which indicates ‘Oh it’s all very complicated and this was going on at the time, and that was going on, and no simple answers are possible’. And then a couple of years later, they often admit it and they say 'yes, yes, we did do this or we did do that, but you [the West] do the same'."

    First of all, they deny everything. And then they try to obfuscate, they create stuff on social media, which indicates ‘Oh it’s all very complicated and this was going on at the time, and that was going on, and no simple answers are possible’. And then a couple of years later
    , they often admit it and they say 'yes, yes, we did do this or we did do that, but you [the West] do the same
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    What is so awful about Izmir?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    BigRich said:

    Re: Alaska Very Special Congressional Primary & Election, one factor to keep in mind, is that Top 4 primary is on first-past-the-post basis, with NO ranked choice voting until the special general election.

    Thus (in theory) Republican vote could fractionate among 17 GOP candidates, thus denying ANY a Top 4 spot.

    In theory. In practice, reckon that enough Republicans will coalesce around sufficiently few GOPers to ensure that one or more do make the final.

    Democrats have a similar challenge with 6 hopefuls, but think (or at least hope) Democratic voters will also sort themselves out enough to get their best hope on the August special election ballot.

    Well considering that Biden got 43% of the vote and Trump got 53% in Alaska, if that was equally divided the each dam this time might get 43/6 = 7.2% and each Rep 53/17 = 3.1% and each Libertarian 2.5/3 = 0.8%

    So we could well have 4 democrats in the final round.

    ok its not going to split like that, but just a thought experiment.
    Who want's to bet AGAINST Santa Claus making the Top 4 in AK June 11 Very Special Congressional Primary?

    Personally think that his being sole Democratic Socialist in the race will work to his Santa's advantage. At least he's truthful, consistent and sure knows how to deliver the goods!

    Ho! Ho! Ho!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,648
    BigRich said:

    Re: Alaska Very Special Congressional Primary & Election, one factor to keep in mind, is that Top 4 primary is on first-past-the-post basis, with NO ranked choice voting until the special general election.

    Thus (in theory) Republican vote could fractionate among 17 GOP candidates, thus denying ANY a Top 4 spot.

    In theory. In practice, reckon that enough Republicans will coalesce around sufficiently few GOPers to ensure that one or more do make the final.

    Democrats have a similar challenge with 6 hopefuls, but think (or at least hope) Democratic voters will also sort themselves out enough to get their best hope on the August special election ballot.

    Well considering that Biden got 43% of the vote and Trump got 53% in Alaska, if that was equally divided the each dam this time might get 43/6 = 7.2% and each Rep 53/17 = 3.1% and each Libertarian 2.5/3 = 0.8%

    So we could well have 4 democrats in the final round.

    ok its not going to split like that, but just a thought experiment.
    That would be very funny. We can but dream.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,774
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Was briefly Greek under the Treaty of Sevres, 1920, until the Turks drove them out in 1922.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    Actually Big G and HY are right. The combination is 55, a little higher than the new normal, yet with Tories on healthy mid term 36, 39 with reform, this poll is still the same ship as the +2 lead ships only with a different lay out of deck chairs.

    Is this poll off topic. Starmer struggling when header written.
    I don't think it's controversial analysis to say that if the Tories get 35%, Labour need to do a better job of unifying the non-Tory vote than if the Tories get 32%.

    And, of course, Labour got 355 seats on 35% in 2005.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My goodness, Le Pen on 48.5%. That is more than the 48.1% Remain got here in the 2016 EU referendum!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,744

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Was briefly Greek under the Treaty of Sevres, 1920, until the Turks drove them out in 1922.
    The Bubbles held Camden !? :)

    Surely we should have immediately ceded it!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,353

    The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    Actually Big G and HY are right. The combination is 55, a little higher than the new normal, yet with Tories on healthy mid term 36, 39 with reform, this poll is still the same ship as the +2 lead ships only with a different lay out of deck chairs.

    Is this poll off topic. Starmer struggling when header written.
    Well done! You've painted a 6 point Labour lead as a good poll for the Conservatives and a bad one for Starmer. Hat tip!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,098
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    What is so awful about Izmir?
    It’s almost impossibly ugly and depressing given its incredible history - Izmir is Ancient Greek Smyrna, one of the cradles of Hellenic culture. It is also a famous Roman and Byzantine and ottoman capital. Jewish and Kurdish and everything

    And it has a magnificent setting on a bay backed by mountains. Yet it is grimy, poor, bedraggled, ruined, full of concrete. The people look starved and desperate. You can sense the economic crisis hitting here - huge inflation
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,648
    edited April 2022
    Cookie said:

    Applicant said:

    Applicant said:

    Just been pinged by the covid app telling me I was in close contact with someone who's tested positive. Happened on Friday when I went to see, with 700 other people, Stewart Lee ('Proper, vicious prejudice - a self-proclaimed inhabitant of the moral high ground' - Sarah Vine. 'A pot-bellied Bernard Manning for snowflakes.' - Tony Parsons) in Leeds. I've dodged the bug so far. Perhaps my time has come.

    Lee was excellent, by the way.

    I'm actually quite surprised that the covid app is still a thing, tbh.
    Very much so. When I caught Covid it urged me to self-isolate for 10 days, and gave me a countdown each day (today says "Good news! You were released from isolation at 23.59 last night") with various links for advice, guidance, current view of symptoms, etc., as well as giving me a ping showing when I'd probably caught it. I thought it very useful but the contrast with the "Oh, whatever" stance that the Government and some here seem to have adopted was quite stark.
    I never installed it - when it came out I was usuing an old phone that couldn't handle any more apps, and when I got a new phone I never thought I needed to. Why would I? It wasn't compulsory and no good could come from having it. I still occasionally see the QR codes in restaurants and the like, but haven't seen anyone scan one for at least a year, I would think.
    Nick is literally the only person I have heard of who still uses it. I'm serious. And Nick is A Bloke On The Internet (although admittedly a real person who is also A Bloke In Real Life).

    It sounds like it hasn't been updated for several decades. One for the bin Mr Palmer!
    (without wanting to insult Nick), he does come across as rather atypical in many respects e.g. the can't cook / won't cook / little enjoyment surrounding food.
    My father-in-law is like that. A highly idiosyncratic man in many ways. For work reasons, he has spent most of the time I have known him living three hours from 'home'. Never bothered to learn to cook - for the first six years he lived away, the only food he would eat was cod and chips from the local chippy. This was his diet roughly 49 days out of 50. One meal a day. Surprisingly, he is still alive.

    He got to know the owners of the chippy quite well, obviously. Ended up writing a letter on their behalf to the home office for some immigration-related reason. They never knew his name, though - they referred to him as 'Mr. Tottenham Hotspur' after his favourite conversation topic. Then one day he moved. I often wonder if they wonder what happened to him.

    You often wonder what happened to your father-in-law??

    Pah! Missed one of @Cookie's 'wonders'.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,340
    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    Quite agree.
    By the way, when's your next travel update? What's Izmir really like?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Likely best thing about Sarah Palin running for Congress will be Tina Fey reprising her world-famous impersonation:

    Tina Fey's Best Appearances As Sarah Palin On 'Saturday Night Live'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Jk7K_DnTk
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    Actually Big G and HY are right. The combination is 55, a little higher than the new normal, yet with Tories on healthy mid term 36, 39 with reform, this poll is still the same ship as the +2 lead ships only with a different lay out of deck chairs.

    Is this poll off topic. Starmer struggling when header written.
    Well done! You've painted a 6 point Labour lead as a good poll for the Conservatives and a bad one for Starmer. Hat tip!
    "look at the share not the lead" has been the maxim for a very long time.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Was briefly Greek under the Treaty of Sevres, 1920, until the Turks drove them out in 1922.
    Was longly Greek 688-133BC, as Smyrna. Zero remains though.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,505
    Corbyn reacts to the atrocities in Bucha with typical equivocation:

    @jeremycorbyn
    The horrific discovery of mass graves in Bucha must be investigated and those responsible held accountable.

    There must be an urgent and immediate ceasefire in Ukraine to end the bloodshed that has already taken so many lives.


    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1511000514292600833
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    What is so awful about Izmir?
    It’s almost impossibly ugly and depressing given its incredible history - Izmir is Ancient Greek Smyrna, one of the cradles of Hellenic culture. It is also a famous Roman and Byzantine and ottoman capital. Jewish and Kurdish and everything

    And it has a magnificent setting on a bay backed by mountains. Yet it is grimy, poor, bedraggled, ruined, full of concrete. The people look starved and desperate. You can sense the economic crisis hitting here - huge inflation
    Sounds like it is more a destination to send a charitable donation to than to visit. Anyway, thanks for the details
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Was briefly Greek under the Treaty of Sevres, 1920, until the Turks drove them out in 1922.
    The Camden chippy? All part of London's rich culinary history!
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Interesting poll. Is the dip in SNP support real? The glimmer of light for the Tories is that a run of polls like these and Bo Jo might move aside to avoid defeat at a suitable juncture - assuming he isn't finally sunk by something.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,098
    HYUFD said:

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My goodness, Le Pen on 48.5%. That is more than the 48.1% Remain got here in the 2016 EU referendum!
    I said that 14/1 against Le pen was VALUE. As, in the opposite direction, was the 1/33 for Macron
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    What is so awful about Izmir?
    The quality of tourist?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,500
    edited April 2022
    Updated Economist forecast: French presidential election.

    Macron 53% (-1%)
    Le Pen 47% (+1%)

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/france-2022
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    Quite agree.
    By the way, when's your next travel update? What's Izmir really like?
    Fucking horrible

    This is what the Lonely Planet guide says about my hotel

    “Guests here have been known not to leave the premises at all during their city stay. Frankly, we're not at all surprised.”

    I read that as meaning: this hotel is so amazing you won’t be able to tear yourself away! Not that “everywhere outside is hideous. Stay in the hotel”
    That's some quality ambiguous description, I applaud the guide for it.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,702
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    Quite agree.
    By the way, when's your next travel update? What's Izmir really like?
    Fucking horrible

    This is what the Lonely Planet guide says about my hotel

    “Guests here have been known not to leave the premises at all during their city stay. Frankly, we're not at all surprised.”

    I read that as meaning: this hotel is so amazing you won’t be able to tear yourself away! Not that “everywhere outside is hideous. Stay in the hotel”
    Like the Turd in Edinburgh - it has the best views in the city
    i.e. without itself


  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,648
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    What is so awful about Izmir?
    It’s almost impossibly ugly and depressing given its incredible history - Izmir is Ancient Greek Smyrna, one of the cradles of Hellenic culture. It is also a famous Roman and Byzantine and ottoman capital. Jewish and Kurdish and everything

    And it has a magnificent setting on a bay backed by mountains. Yet it is grimy, poor, bedraggled, ruined, full of concrete. The people look starved and desperate. You can sense the economic crisis hitting here - huge inflation
    It's still Smyrna on the Ticket to Ride map.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,340

    Corbyn reacts to the atrocities in Bucha with typical equivocation:

    @jeremycorbyn
    The horrific discovery of mass graves in Bucha must be investigated and those responsible held accountable.

    There must be an urgent and immediate ceasefire in Ukraine to end the bloodshed that has already taken so many lives.


    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1511000514292600833

    What's equivocal about that, pray tell?
  • Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737
    edited April 2022

    Interesting poll. Is the dip in SNP support real? The glimmer of light for the Tories is that a run of polls like these and Bo Jo might move aside to avoid defeat at a suitable juncture - assuming he isn't finally sunk by something.

    I think they will do worse than expected in the local elections but would be surprised if they got less than 40% in a GE IMHO. The jury is out on Labour in Scotland but they should really gain seats in the local elections now and possibly even come 2nd. I also think the Tories are still likely to hold at least 3/4 of their current MPs in Scotland at the next GE.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Top attractions the airport and the clock tower, make sure you check them out.

    https://www.getyourguide.co.uk/izmir-l1082/viewing-points-tc238/

    Do they do gravy/curry and chips down along the front?
    It does feel like a rundown Sunderland on the Aegean

    I can’t wait for the sun to go down so I don’t have to look at it
    Did you take the opportunity of your time in Izmir for a day trip to Cesme? Much nicer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,505

    Corbyn reacts to the atrocities in Bucha with typical equivocation:

    @jeremycorbyn
    The horrific discovery of mass graves in Bucha must be investigated and those responsible held accountable.

    There must be an urgent and immediate ceasefire in Ukraine to end the bloodshed that has already taken so many lives.


    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1511000514292600833

    What's equivocal about that, pray tell?
    The absence of any mention of Russia and the call for a 'ceasefire' rather than a withdrawal and end to the occupation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    edited April 2022

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My gods that's awful. You think you'll get used to seeing others in the world doing percentages 48,5 rather than 48.5, but you never do.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scotland only poll alert


    https://twitter.com/BallotBoxScot/status/1511018257561575427?t=eUk61BD6lmIBKDMMjxQINA&s=19

    Can @TheScreamingEagles adjudicate on how much of a pounding Dougie Ross's Conservatives are taking from SLab
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    Quite agree.
    By the way, when's your next travel update? What's Izmir really like?
    Fucking horrible

    This is what the Lonely Planet guide says about my hotel

    “Guests here have been known not to leave the premises at all during their city stay. Frankly, we're not at all surprised.”

    I read that as meaning: this hotel is so amazing you won’t be able to tear yourself away! Not that “everywhere outside is hideous. Stay in the hotel”
    Like the Turd in Edinburgh - it has the best views in the city
    i.e. without itself


    Ah, like Guy de Maupassant who always ate his lunch at the Eiffel Tower.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Currently in Hungary, the opposition is winning 16 of 18 constituency seats in Budapest, but only two outside the capital: one each in Pécs and Szeged.

    Which looks rather similar (rigging aside or included according to taste, etc.) to urban/suburban versus rural/exurban split in USA.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,774

    Scott_xP said:
    When are they going to supply weapons to Ukraine and stop buying Russian gas

    This is the real story that shames Germany
    Indeed, back in the day, it was Germany wot was invading and brutalising Ukraine!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,505
    kle4 said:

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My gods that's awful. You think you'll get used to seeing others in the world doing percentages 48,5 rather than 48.5, but you never do.
    It's commanism.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Was briefly Greek under the Treaty of Sevres, 1920, until the Turks drove them out in 1922.
    Was longly Greek 688-133BC, as Smyrna. Zero remains though.
    Excellent timing this, I just cracked open 'The Greeks Overseas' by John Boardman, which someone on here ages ago recommended.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Was briefly Greek under the Treaty of Sevres, 1920, until the Turks drove them out in 1922.
    Was longly Greek 688-133BC, as Smyrna. Zero remains though.
    Excellent timing this, I just cracked open 'The Greeks Overseas' by John Boardman, which someone on here ages ago recommended.
    So, Mariupol will feature too ...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    kle4 said:

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My gods that's awful. You think you'll get used to seeing others in the world doing percentages 48,5 rather than 48.5, but you never do.
    It's commanism.
    And we should put a stop to it. Period.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My gods that's awful. You think you'll get used to seeing others in the world doing percentages 48,5 rather than 48.5, but you never do.
    It's commanism.
    And we should put a stop to it. Period.
    Was that a stop, or a full stop?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    PB Pendent Pundit Alert

    In recent comment yours truly referred to "45st POTUS" yet number of PBers calling me out was ZERO.

    Are standards slipping everywhere? Sadly, PB is NOT immune!

    Consider us suitably shamed.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,098
    geoffw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My goodness, Le Pen on 48.5%. That is more than the 48.1% Remain got here in the 2016 EU referendum!
    Bye Jove.

    Very good. Bravo
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Has Boris Johnson entered into the Cone of Silence, at least re: Ukraine?

    Get Smart - Cone of Silence
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWtPPWi6OMQ

    Or is it that US media is not reporting his current comments (and also not mentioned on PB)?
  • Westminster Voting Intention (Scotland):

    SNP: 45% (-3)
    LAB: 27% (+5)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 6% (-1)

    Via @Survation, 24-28 Mar.
    Changes w/ 4 May 2021.

    Jesus Christ, is is over for the SNP?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,926
    Roger said:

    OT. An intelligent look at perhaps the best American film ever made 'The Godfather'. Well worth a listen

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_fourfm

    Ha, I've already llistened to it. Twas good but got put off when the narrator guy said that the remade Ipcress File was one of his..
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Westminster Voting Intention (Scotland):

    SNP: 45% (-3)
    LAB: 27% (+5)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 6% (-1)

    Via @Survation, 24-28 Mar.
    Changes w/ 4 May 2021.

    Jesus Christ, is is over for the SNP?

    At 45%? No.

    But happens to everyone eventually, I just hope it is soon enough.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,715

    Westminster Voting Intention (Scotland):

    SNP: 45% (-3)
    LAB: 27% (+5)
    CON: 19% (-1)
    LDM: 6% (-1)

    Via @Survation, 24-28 Mar.
    Changes w/ 4 May 2021.

    Jesus Christ, is is over for the SNP?

    No. That's a good poll for Labour in any case.
  • Two polls showing large swing in Scotland to Labour, this will be very useful in any future Government
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Saves the UN a couple hours of bullshit I suppose.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,774
    edited April 2022
    TimT said:

    kle4 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    Was briefly Greek under the Treaty of Sevres, 1920, until the Turks drove them out in 1922.
    Was longly Greek 688-133BC, as Smyrna. Zero remains though.
    Excellent timing this, I just cracked open 'The Greeks Overseas' by John Boardman, which someone on here ages ago recommended.
    So, Mariupol will feature too ...
    And Kherson was named after Chersonesus, a Greek colony in the Crimea near modern Sevastopol.
  • The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    What on earth are you talking about

    This is exactly the position for labour

    And by the way I immediately posted this poll with the comment ' good poll for labour'

    You do seem to over react to polls at times
    You seem to be very easily wound up
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Currently in Hungary, the opposition is winning 16 of 18 constituency seats in Budapest, but only two outside the capital: one each in Pécs and Szeged.

    Which looks rather similar (rigging aside or included according to taste, etc.) to urban/suburban versus rural/exurban split in USA.

    When I was last in Budapest ... I was shocked at the overt and voluble expressions of discrimination & hatred against Roma that I encountered.

    It is somewhat sobering to realise that Budapest is a hot-bed of liberalism compared to the rest of the country.
  • kinabalu said:

    felix said:

    Lab up 5 Con up 1 SNP down 3! RefUK down 2. Bit of an odd one!.
    Nothing odd about it, Felix.
    kinabalu said:

    felix said:

    Lab up 5 Con up 1 SNP down 3! RefUK down 2. Bit of an odd one!.
    Nothing odd about it, Felix.
    It's odd because Felix doesn't like it. So he will dismiss it and then post the next one that confirms what he thinks
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
    You really are off the scale and need to tone down your comments
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
    You really are off the scale and need to tone down your comments
    Jesus, grow a sense of humour, it's a common joke
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
  • Big Got No Sense of Humor NorthWales
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
    You really are off the scale and need to tone down your comments
    Jesus, grow a sense of humour, it's a common joke
    Maybe to you
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
    You really are off the scale and need to tone down your comments
    Jesus, grow a sense of humour, it's a common joke
    Maybe to you
    She's not going to shag you mate is a common thing people say, I know you're 9000 years old but still
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,744
    edited April 2022

    Big Got No Sense of Humor NorthWales

    IncorrectDecomumWhenDeployingTheBattery
  • The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    What on earth are you talking about

    This is exactly the position for labour

    And by the way I immediately posted this poll with the comment ' good poll for labour'

    You do seem to over react to polls at times
    You seem to be very easily wound up
    You need to engage with conversations if you want to be taken seriously
  • The polls throughout march to today show a remarkably stable conservative share of about 35% but labour seem to attract lib dem, green and in tonight's poll SNP votes

    The trick for labour is to retain this vote share

    Quick! Activate the what about filter!
    What on earth are you talking about

    This is exactly the position for labour

    And by the way I immediately posted this poll with the comment ' good poll for labour'

    You do seem to over react to polls at times
    You seem to be very easily wound up
    You need to engage with conversations if you want to be taken seriously
    Big REALLY has got no sense of humour at all North Wales
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
    Sky news breaking
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
    Sky news breaking
    Thanks Twitter bot
  • Omnium said:

    Big Got No Sense of Humor NorthWales

    IncorrectDecomumWhenDeployingTheBattery
    LOL!
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
    Sky news breaking
    Thanks Twitter bot
    What is wrong with you
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
    Sky news breaking
    Thanks Twitter bot
    What is wrong with you
    A lot of things, I think it starts with my mother, you see she dropped me on my head as a child
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
    Sky news breaking
    Certainly good move to keep Bucha & etc OUT of Security Council methinks.

    Even IF Russians staged UNSC walk-out like in 1950, reckon China would still veto or otherwise throw a monkey wrench into the works.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734
    geoffw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My goodness, Le Pen on 48.5%. That is more than the 48.1% Remain got here in the 2016 EU referendum!
    Bye Jove.

    Can't believe this joke isn't getting more credit than it is. Well done Geoff.
  • Farooq said:

    Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
    You really are off the scale and need to tone down your comments
    Jesus, grow a sense of humour, it's a common joke
    Maybe to you
    She's not going to shag you mate is a common thing people say, I know you're 9000 years old but still
    Look, I've seen and said worse things, but for someone so hypersensitive about bullying as you seem to be it would be a good idea for you to shut the fuck up.
    I say, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
    Sky news breaking
    Thanks Twitter bot
    What is wrong with you
    I know @CorrectHorseBattery has issues with me, notwithstanding an apology I made to him over a misunderstanding which to be fair he accepted, as did many of our fellow posters, but he seems he cannot lay it to rest as is evidenced in his rude and at times unnecessary responses to my genuine desire for sensible dialogue

    I suppose you cannot put old heads in young shoulders
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,914
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    And on the issue of the day, fish and chips, in all its battered, oily, greasy glory is a fantastic meal. Once a year. More than that is too much.

    Geales out of choice for me pre-pandemic but I see it has now closed its doors for good.

    Used to be a great New School chippy on Parkway, Camden.

    Hook.

    Also closed by the demic

    In travel news, I am in Izmir. My informed advice: never go to Izmir
    What is so awful about Izmir?
    It’s almost impossibly ugly and depressing given its incredible history - Izmir is Ancient Greek Smyrna, one of the cradles of Hellenic culture. It is also a famous Roman and Byzantine and ottoman capital. Jewish and Kurdish and everything

    And it has a magnificent setting on a bay backed by mountains. Yet it is grimy, poor, bedraggled, ruined, full of concrete. The people look starved and desperate. You can sense the economic crisis hitting here - huge inflation
    Sounds like it is more a destination to send a charitable donation to than to visit. Anyway, thanks for the details
    If the cost of living crisis picks up pace, it's a destination we'll all be visiting soon enough...
  • glwglw Posts: 9,899
    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    I'll just be glad if we get to the next general election without WW III starting. Who actually wins it will be almost irrelevant.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Currently in Hungary, the opposition is winning 16 of 18 constituency seats in Budapest, but only two outside the capital: one each in Pécs and Szeged.

    Which looks rather similar (rigging aside or included according to taste, etc.) to urban/suburban versus rural/exurban split in USA.

    When I was last in Budapest ... I was shocked at the overt and voluble expressions of discrimination & hatred against Roma that I encountered.

    It is somewhat sobering to realise that Budapest is a hot-bed of liberalism compared to the rest of the country.
    Was same when I was in Hungary in 1980s.

    Distinctly recall hearing stuff from the mouth of our Magyar instructor that would have shamed a KKK grand wizard . . . delivered in English with a perfect Oxbridge accent . . .
  • Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    Blocking was of Russian demand for Security Council meeting? Do you have source link?
    Sky news breaking
    Thanks Twitter bot
    What is wrong with you
    I know @CorrectHorseBattery has issues with me, notwithstanding an apology I made to him over a misunderstanding which to be fair he accepted, as did many of our fellow posters, but he seems he cannot lay it to rest as is evidenced in his rude and at times unnecessary responses to my genuine desire for sensible dialogue

    I suppose you cannot put old heads in young shoulders
    I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks, or indeed how to laugh at anything funny
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,340

    Farooq said:

    Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
    You really are off the scale and need to tone down your comments
    Jesus, grow a sense of humour, it's a common joke
    Maybe to you
    She's not going to shag you mate is a common thing people say, I know you're 9000 years old but still
    Look, I've seen and said worse things, but for someone so hypersensitive about bullying as you seem to be it would be a good idea for you to shut the fuck up.
    I say, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    CHB, if you're like this when Labour get a 6-point lead, I shudder to think what you'll be like if they get a 14-point lead. Chill.
  • Farooq said:

    Sergei Lavrov announces he will hold a news conference after his request for a UN meeting over Bucha was blocked by Britain

    Excellent move by Liz Truss

    She's not going to shag you mate
    You really are off the scale and need to tone down your comments
    Jesus, grow a sense of humour, it's a common joke
    Maybe to you
    She's not going to shag you mate is a common thing people say, I know you're 9000 years old but still
    Look, I've seen and said worse things, but for someone so hypersensitive about bullying as you seem to be it would be a good idea for you to shut the fuck up.
    I say, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
    CHB, if you're like this when Labour get a 6-point lead, I shudder to think what you'll be like if they get a 14-point lead. Chill.
    I will be bouncing off the walls, to be fair depending on what substance I am on that day, it may also happen today
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,098
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    Yes but we are not at war ourselves, even if our sympathies go out to the Ukrainians.

    Most UK general elections had a war going on somewhere else in the world at the same time
    The multiple crises we face - as a nation, a continent, a world, a species - are orders of magnitude worse than anything we have known for many decades.

    A malignant and rising Chinese superpower, Russia genocidal and rampant in Eastern Europe, the real threat of nuclear war on top of actual war, the worst global plague in a century (still going, still hurting), a looming worldwide economic meltdown, multiple refugee horrors, and the prospect of Famine

    And, on top of all that, apocalyptic climate change?

    This is worse than any set of circumstances since World War Two. Arguably, with climate change, it is worse than THAT
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,098
    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    I'll just be glad if we get to the next general election without WW III starting. Who actually wins it will be almost irrelevant.
    Likewise
  • Leon said:

    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Never has UK political polling felt so utterly trivial and meaningless. Like talking about next winter’s skiing, in the trenches of the Somme

    Indeed, the urge to debate either probably comes from the same source

    I'll just be glad if we get to the next general election without WW III starting. Who actually wins it will be almost irrelevant.
    Likewise
    I agree with Leon, pigs will fly next
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,582
    I was really hoping that also had a pic of Liz Truss on it. You could've spend 20 mins on Redbubble you know 😃
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,098
    Cookie said:

    geoffw said:

    HYUFD said:

    Le Pen continues to get closer in the polls.

    image

    https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1511012119415869443

    My goodness, Le Pen on 48.5%. That is more than the 48.1% Remain got here in the 2016 EU referendum!
    Bye Jove.

    Can't believe this joke isn't getting more credit than it is. Well done Geoff.
    One of the best examples of wordplay I’ve ever seen on PB

    For those mystified: Macron, early in his presidency, characterised himself with typical modesty as a “Jupiterian president” = the God of Gods, above all other politicians

    Jupiter is Jove in mythography. So if Macron loses, it is Bye, Jove

    *thunderous applause*
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