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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited March 2022
    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    But black people aren't the global majority.
    They are if you "just lump together basically everyone who isn't white, and anyone who has ever in any way suffered from nasty white people". That seems to be her logic. She claims BGMES are 80% of the world
    This is like the use "Global South"......people deciding they speak for billions of people, who don't necessarily think that way or want to be categorised as such.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,589
    TimT said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OllyT said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:








    Pathetic. Within a minute I could find a dozen photos of the Queen meeting Putin. Does that make her a Putin apologist?

    Personally, I'd be much more embarrassed being photographed with Bono than Putin.

    At least Putin's evil will die with him; Bono's evil will curse humanity for decades.
    Or Boneo, as we call him in our family.
    The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby! are two of the greatest rock albums of all time.
    You are so lucky. To have so much music that is better than U2 still in your future.

    You have an extraordinary journey of discovery ahead of you.
    Please name the bands better than U2.
    Starting at A?
    ACDC
    Allman Brothers Band
    Anyone else?
    Alison Krauss and Union Station. Best for country/blue grass.
    Oh brilliant yes.
    They supported Paul Simon in Hyde Park maybe a decade back. There had been a problem the night before when (I think) Bruce Springsteen massively overran, so they moved the whole concert forward an hour without telling anyone. Coupled with getting a puncture, I got into the Park just in time to hear her say "Thank you, London!" as she left the stage.

    Arse....
    I saw Paul Simon in his last ever concert outside the US - again at Hyde Park. Support was Bonnie Raitt who is just brilliant.
    Best live concert for me was Lynyrd Skynyrd at Knebworth. Showed up 10CC and the Stones real bad.
    This one ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm7bkVxBXdA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited March 2022

    slade said:

    It looks as if we could have a by-election in Ipswich. There are stories that the Conservative victor in 2019 was not eligible to stand as he held a politically restricted post with the local PCC. More work for the lawyers.

    Is that Tom Hunt?

    Should be a nailed on Lab Gain if they are to have any chance at a GE
    Ridiculous if true, he is a good local MP. Even if there is a by election if he is now eligible to stand again no longer working for the PCC he could hold it.

    It is not a given for Labour, Ipswich is not in the top 50 Labour target seats and Labour need a 5.5% swing to win it ie more than they got in Birmingham Erdington
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    I doubt anyone on here had heard of it before this evening, even you hadn't and you are the woke-finder general, it really is not everywhere.
    It will be. I give it a few months. I can't see any other contender in the Ever changing Lexicon of The Latest Wokery

    "It raised concerns over the use of alternatives such as Ethnic Minorities or People of Color and said there are a number of emerging terms such as “Black and Global Majority” which, although they “may have merit”, lack a general consensus"

    https://deadline.com/2021/12/uk-broadcasters-commit-to-stop-using-bame-wherever-possible-1234886139/

    But the unfortunate acronyms of BGME and BAGMEPIUK will be a real problem
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    But black people aren't the global majority.
    They are if you "just lump together basically everyone who isn't white, and anyone who has ever in any way suffered from nasty white people". That seems to be her logic. She claims BGMES are 80% of the world
    They also state it as how you identify. So if I really like Ladysmith Black Mambazo and connected with Jay Jay Okocha, I can identify with black identity more than white identity and qualify?
    It depends though, if you discovered Ladysmith Black Mambazo through their work with Paul Simon then you don’t get the same level of accreditation. Similarly if you thought that Jay Jay Okocha wasn’t all that before Sam Allardyce unleashed his football skills you get more minus points.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
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    BigRich said:

    Is there a way of looking at twitter without an account? I really cant be bothered with that, and don't what to have to remember another pass word, give my date of birth to somebody else and so on. But I do like this chaps updates on the war, which somebody posted to in the first few days. https://twitter.com/JominiW

    I think somebody on here mentioned a way of doing it but and I did not pay attention at the time.

    If you use an incognito window in Chrome I think that will get you what you want. At least for a while.

    They didn't post an update today.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,589
    Leon said:

    Aha

    "Black and Global Majority" yields 27,000 hits. This is the source. It is definitely going to be the new acceptable term, so shape up and get used to it, you racist white global minority people.

    This woman claims to have coined it, and she emphasises that it is meant to make white people feel more humble

    https://www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/-/media/files/schools/school-of-education/final-leeds-beckett-1102-global-majority.pdf

    She must be pretty stupid then.

    In the modern world if you're a minority then you're a victim and if you're a victim then you are excused anything bad which you do.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    David Cameron
    @David_Cameron
    ·
    2h
    For the last two years I've been volunteering each week at the Chippy Larder, a food project in my local town, which helps low income families with surplus food from supermarkets (and cuts food waste at the same time).

    https://twitter.com/David_Cameron/status/1504871342319013910

    ===

    Laudable. But does he know he could have got rid of the need for all of these foodbanks with a few strokes of his First Lord of the Treasury pen back in the day?

    Good on Cameron, putting the Big Society in action.

    Meanwhile Clegg trousers another £9 million of Facebook share options

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10621603/Sir-Nick-Clegg-receives-9m-shares-Facebooks-parent-company-promotion.html
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Aslan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OllyT said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:








    Pathetic. Within a minute I could find a dozen photos of the Queen meeting Putin. Does that make her a Putin apologist?

    Personally, I'd be much more embarrassed being photographed with Bono than Putin.

    At least Putin's evil will die with him; Bono's evil will curse humanity for decades.
    Or Boneo, as we call him in our family.
    The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby! are two of the greatest rock albums of all time.
    You are so lucky. To have so much music that is better than U2 still in your future.

    You have an extraordinary journey of discovery ahead of you.
    Please name the bands better than U2.
    Starting at A?
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OllyT said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:








    Pathetic. Within a minute I could find a dozen photos of the Queen meeting Putin. Does that make her a Putin apologist?

    Personally, I'd be much more embarrassed being photographed with Bono than Putin.

    At least Putin's evil will die with him; Bono's evil will curse humanity for decades.
    Or Boneo, as we call him in our family.
    The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby! are two of the greatest rock albums of all time.
    You are so lucky. To have so much music that is better than U2 still in your future.

    You have an extraordinary journey of discovery ahead of you.
    Please name the bands better than U2.
    Starting at A?
    Assuming you’re thinking of the Average White Band, I’ll accept your A. Anything for B (apart from Bad Company and The Beatles)? Looking at my playlist, I could be on a loser, here!
    Black Sabbath
    Ok. C. Cat Stevens. Cream. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. Curved Air (some prog for @Nigel_Foremain.
    Creedence Clearwater Revival, (Ry) Cooder, Can (for all you German Electronica fans), Clapton and JJ Cale (since the former seems to like nicking the latter's songs).
    Clash
    I know most of these bands,, rate them and would still put the best U2 albums above their best albums.
    I've seen U2 4 times live, and they are good at what they do. But for me, there must be 20-50 bands I'd put ahead of them.

    David Byrne/Talking Heads, JJ Cale, Bowie, Zepellin, Deep Purple, Cream, early Stones, Beatles, Eno, Leonard Cohen, CCR, Doors, Clash, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, Steely Dan, the British iteration of Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Eninem, Stevie Wonder, early Prince, most of Motown ... the list just goes on and on.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,376
    Okay, my claim to fame. Sex Pistols, West Runton Village Hall, 1976. A clandestine appearance. West Runton is in North Norfolk.

    They were bloody awful.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    Support for the Green Party in Germany appears to be on the rise according to recent polls.

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Leon said:

    Bugger me. Older daughter has Covid

    Hope she's ok.

    Remember the heady days when we all assumed (well I did anyway) that a vaccination would prevent you getting it?

    Everyone I know who's had covid recently has been triple-vaxxed... but they still got it. None became very ill though, so maybe that's the vaccines working.
    Yes one of the things that emerging is that the vaccines are pretty poor against contracting Covid, especially the newer variants, but hold up extremely well against serious illness. I think that getting Covid after vaccination is the best way as you will gain a comprehensive protection from this, most likely without getting that unwell.
    But there are a lot of unknowns still, including why it’s still serious for some (unvaxxed is obvious, elderly and infirm and immune compromised too, but also genetic and general health factors). Also the spectre of long Covid is out there. I imagine there will be a huge field of research on that over the next few years. Some seem to feel long Covid can happen with mild illness, which is a worry. Whether immunisation reduces that I guess we will have to wait to see.
    Is there a simple explanation as to why the vaccination against measles is effective against transmission, and the vaccination against Covid isn't?
    Honestly don’t know, but I’d speculate about several things. Where a disease attacks in the body. How rapidly it’s able to replicate. How transmission occurs. Whether you can only spread when symptomatic.
    It’s also not entirely true that vaccination against Covid isn’t effective against transmission. If you are vaccinated you are less likely to become ill in the first place. If you do succumb you are usually less severely ill and for a shorter time. So overall there is a reduction, just it doesn’t reduce to zero.
    Yes, sorry, I was being a bit simplistic, but the contrast between the two is really very large, given the very high R0 value for measles the vaccines against it must be astonishingly effective at preventing transmission (or, perhaps more accurately, at preventing people from acquiring infection).

    Experiencing the Covid vaccines struggle to completely prevent transmission, as we'd all assumed, does make me appreciate all the other vaccines even more. Not that I don't appreciate the Covid vaccines - they've saved so many lives.
    Interestingly I suspect one of the reasons for the success of the measles vaccination is that it has kept measles outbreaks so low, the total opposite of where we are with Covid.
    Have found some work on sky measles vaccination is so good and long lasting (2 shots and you are good for life). It seems that almost any mutations to the proteins that measles uses to access cells has a massively detrimental affect on the virus. Why it has evolved to be this way is not certain, but if Covid was similar, then the Covid vaccines would be holding up a lot better. Remember that our vaccines are all based on the wuhan original, whereas we are now at a lot of different mutations in omicron.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    edited March 2022

    Leon said:

    Aha

    "Black and Global Majority" yields 27,000 hits. This is the source. It is definitely going to be the new acceptable term, so shape up and get used to it, you racist white global minority people.

    This woman claims to have coined it, and she emphasises that it is meant to make white people feel more humble

    https://www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/-/media/files/schools/school-of-education/final-leeds-beckett-1102-global-majority.pdf

    She must be pretty stupid then.

    In the modern world if you're a minority then you're a victim and if you're a victim then you are excused anything bad which you do.
    Astonishing concept. All the black and brown people are indistinguishable...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Evening all :)

    I've not said anything about the Saarland election coming up in nine days. This is the first significant test of German public opinion since last September's election which saw the CDU/CSU suffer a significant defeat and a new SPD/FDP/Green coalition take over in Berlin.

    At the 2017 election in Saarland, the CDU won 40.7% of the vote and 24 seats with the SPD eleven points behind on 29.6% and 17 seats. Linke won 12.8% and 7 seats and AfD 6.2% and 3 seats in the 51 seat Landtag.

    The CDU and SPD formed a Government led by CDU's Tobias Hans.

    Neither the Greens nor the FDP got above the 5% threshold.

    Five years on and things have changed a lot as the latest Forschungsgruppe Wahlen poll suggests (changes from last election)::

    SPD: 39% (+9)
    CDU/CSU: 30% (-11)
    AfD: 6%
    Greens: 6% (+2)
    FDP: 5% (+2)
    Linke 4% (-9)

    That's a 10% swing from the CDU to the SDP which would basically reverse the seat numbers and leave the SPD under Anke Rehlinger the largest party but with the Greens likely to be in the next Landtag with 3-4 seats and possibly the FDP too (and Linke out), it could be the SPD and Greens will have enough seats to form a majority (and perhaps in a repeat of the federal coalition) and perhaps supported by the FDP leaving the CDU out in the cold.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    But black people aren't the global majority.
    No ethnic group is, but if you add up all the ethnic groups (bar one) then they will consequently form a majority. It seems like the "Black and .." is a linguistic clue for this being another way to say "non-white" without saying "non-white", but it is a bit strange. What, for example, would "White and Global Majority" mean, and how would it be different from "Black and Global Majority", or "Asian and Global Majority"?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991

    Leon said:

    Aha

    "Black and Global Majority" yields 27,000 hits. This is the source. It is definitely going to be the new acceptable term, so shape up and get used to it, you racist white global minority people.

    This woman claims to have coined it, and she emphasises that it is meant to make white people feel more humble

    https://www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/-/media/files/schools/school-of-education/final-leeds-beckett-1102-global-majority.pdf

    She must be pretty stupid then.

    In the modern world if you're a minority then you're a victim and if you're a victim then you are excused anything bad which you do.
    Astonishing concept. All the black and brown people are indistinguishable...
    Seems a bit....you know....erhhh....well...racist.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    dixiedean said:

    First bands I saw live was Wembley Stadium 1984.
    UB 40, Santana then Dylan. 72k on the hottest day of the year.
    Dylan brought Clapton, Carlos Santana and Chrissie Hynde on for the final few. Then on walked Van Morrison to do It's All Over Now Baby Blue.
    Dylan was on fire that night.
    I thought every gig would be like that.

    Frankie Goes To Hollywood were probably number one with Two Tribes at the time.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    TimT said:

    Aslan said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OllyT said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:








    Pathetic. Within a minute I could find a dozen photos of the Queen meeting Putin. Does that make her a Putin apologist?

    Personally, I'd be much more embarrassed being photographed with Bono than Putin.

    At least Putin's evil will die with him; Bono's evil will curse humanity for decades.
    Or Boneo, as we call him in our family.
    The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby! are two of the greatest rock albums of all time.
    You are so lucky. To have so much music that is better than U2 still in your future.

    You have an extraordinary journey of discovery ahead of you.
    Please name the bands better than U2.
    Starting at A?
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OllyT said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:








    Pathetic. Within a minute I could find a dozen photos of the Queen meeting Putin. Does that make her a Putin apologist?

    Personally, I'd be much more embarrassed being photographed with Bono than Putin.

    At least Putin's evil will die with him; Bono's evil will curse humanity for decades.
    Or Boneo, as we call him in our family.
    The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby! are two of the greatest rock albums of all time.
    You are so lucky. To have so much music that is better than U2 still in your future.

    You have an extraordinary journey of discovery ahead of you.
    Please name the bands better than U2.
    Starting at A?
    Assuming you’re thinking of the Average White Band, I’ll accept your A. Anything for B (apart from Bad Company and The Beatles)? Looking at my playlist, I could be on a loser, here!
    Black Sabbath
    Ok. C. Cat Stevens. Cream. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. Curved Air (some prog for @Nigel_Foremain.
    Creedence Clearwater Revival, (Ry) Cooder, Can (for all you German Electronica fans), Clapton and JJ Cale (since the former seems to like nicking the latter's songs).
    Clash
    I know most of these bands,, rate them and would still put the best U2 albums above their best albums.
    I've seen U2 4 times live, and they are good at what they do. But for me, there must be 20-50 bands I'd put ahead of them.

    David Byrne/Talking Heads, JJ Cale, Bowie, Zepellin, Deep Purple, Cream, early Stones, Beatles, Eno, Leonard Cohen, CCR, Doors, Clash, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, Steely Dan, the British iteration of Fleetwood Mac, Queen, Eninem, Stevie Wonder, early Prince, most of Motown ... the list just goes on and on.
    Which just shows that music is subjective. The idea that fucking Eno is better than U2 is ridiculous to me. Bowie did some good songs, but I can't think of anything that makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. Allman Brothers I really like, but they're pretty derivative.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640

    Okay, my claim to fame. Sex Pistols, West Runton Village Hall, 1976. A clandestine appearance. West Runton is in North Norfolk.

    They were bloody awful.

    A friend of mine saw them in Leicester about the same time and had the same verdict.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Applicant said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:





    Explain for us what you believe "woke" is to be, and which bits of it you might find yourself agreeing with one of the most homicidal despots of our time on?
    Stuff like this. I agree with Putin on this:

    "Putin brought up Martin Luther King’s remarks about judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

    “Countering acts of racism is a necessary and noble cause,” Putin said, “but the new ‘cancel culture’ has turned it into reverse discrimination, that is, reverse racism. The obsessive emphasis on race is further dividing people, when the real fighters for civil rights dreamed precisely about erasing differences and refusing to divide people by skin color.”"

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/10/31/lucas-putins-poke-at-intolerance-by-woke-left-revealing/

    Of course, he might have said all this just to stir trouble, and he doesn't mean it, yet we have all learned that when Putin says stuff - eg "I am going to invade Ukraine" - he often means it. So I take it at face value. And I agree with him
    Well I'm happy to be on the other side of this argument from you and Putin. To be antiracist you have to think about race and this does have pitfalls. But it's better to do that, and try and avoid the pitfalls, than it is to bank on ingrained white supremacy being best eradicated by pretending it doesn't exist.
    The BIB is the part I have a problem with. We would all be much better off if nobody ever thought about race. Let's set an example.
    I know what you mean but it's facile. To take one of a million examples, the Met and the strip search of the schoolgirl. Not an isolated case but indicative of ingrained racism in powerful people and places. Our flagship police force, nearly 30 years after Stephen Lawrence. How do we combat this without thinking about race?
    Do we know the strip search was ‘racist’?

    Not a facetious point. I’ve not read the details. Her race might have been incidental (I genuinely don’t know)

    Did they abuse her racially? Has this only ever happened to black girls?

    I’m not diminishing the offence. My brief reading tells me this was a demeaning act

    We don't know the search was racist.

    On the other hand, if black girls are being (wrongly) strip searched at a much greater rate than white ones, we should probably ask questions.
    https://chscp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Child-Q-PUBLISHED-14-March-22.pdf

    Over the same period, 25 children under the age of 18 were subject of ‘further
    searches’. 19 were male and 18 were handcuffed during the process. The
    reasons for search primarily related to suspicions about drugs (20), followed by
    weapons (4) and stolen property (1). 22 (88%) of the searches were negative
    with an outcome of no further action recorded in 20 (80%) of the cases. In
    terms of ethnicity, (as per the codes used by the police), 15 (60%) of the
    children searched were Black, 2 were White, 6 Asian and 2 Arab or North
    African.
    88% of the searches were negative.

    Ouch.
    Note the review stated plainly that there was no justification for such a search to be carried out at all.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036

    TimT said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OllyT said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:








    Pathetic. Within a minute I could find a dozen photos of the Queen meeting Putin. Does that make her a Putin apologist?

    Personally, I'd be much more embarrassed being photographed with Bono than Putin.

    At least Putin's evil will die with him; Bono's evil will curse humanity for decades.
    Or Boneo, as we call him in our family.
    The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby! are two of the greatest rock albums of all time.
    You are so lucky. To have so much music that is better than U2 still in your future.

    You have an extraordinary journey of discovery ahead of you.
    Please name the bands better than U2.
    Starting at A?
    ACDC
    Allman Brothers Band
    Anyone else?
    Alison Krauss and Union Station. Best for country/blue grass.
    Oh brilliant yes.
    They supported Paul Simon in Hyde Park maybe a decade back. There had been a problem the night before when (I think) Bruce Springsteen massively overran, so they moved the whole concert forward an hour without telling anyone. Coupled with getting a puncture, I got into the Park just in time to hear her say "Thank you, London!" as she left the stage.

    Arse....
    I saw Paul Simon in his last ever concert outside the US - again at Hyde Park. Support was Bonnie Raitt who is just brilliant.
    Best live concert for me was Lynyrd Skynyrd at Knebworth. Showed up 10CC and the Stones real bad.
    Difficult to pick the best for me as they all have different reasons to like them. But probably Springsteen at the Ricoh Stadium back in 2013. It was the day James Gandolfini died and apart from Stevie Van Zandt having acted with him he was also a great friend of the band. So in addition to all the other stuff they also played the whole of the Born to Run album from start to finish. Absolutely brilliant.
    I saw the Magic Flute at an outdoor venue in Washington once. An amazing evening.

    The heavens opened just as we were walking back to the car, but even getting drenched didn't ruin the memory.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640
    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ‘Black and Global Majority Ethnic’ is an incredibly rare term. Just 167 hits on all of Google, many referencing this unhappy case

    Seems to have emerged from niche academe about 2 years ago. Fascinating to see if it catches

    This academic says he got it from working for Islington council.@Finn_Mackay
    Fellow White people - in my teaching I don't use the acronym BAME or use it as a noun. I use Black & Global Majority Ethnic people/groups in the UK etc. I got this term from the team working on racial equality in Islington council when I worked there in 2004.


    https://twitter.com/Finn_Mackay/status/1271013954253398016
    You’re not giving they them’s full title
    Dr Finn Mackay Adult Human Queermale, a sociology lecturer at Bristol Uni. Superb. Apparently not a parody
    Much more complicated than that.... Apparently "they" have or have not transitioned, but which way is a bit hard to follow, with all the innovative use of pronouns.

    And they work at the University of the West of England, not Bristol University.
    Her book is actually quite interesting and well written. She is female but dresses male, and a lesbian. She says she isn't bothered by pronouns.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    But black people aren't the global majority.
    No ethnic group is, but if you add up all the ethnic groups (bar one) then they will consequently form a majority. It seems like the "Black and .." is a linguistic clue for this being another way to say "non-white" without saying "non-white", but it is a bit strange. What, for example, would "White and Global Majority" mean, and how would it be different from "Black and Global Majority", or "Asian and Global Majority"?
    Indeed, sadly there appears to be no limit to the stupidity of ideas that emanate from some portions of academia.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Andy_JS said:

    Support for the Green Party in Germany appears to be on the rise according to recent polls.

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    Support for the three governing parties in the coalition remains remarkably constant at 49-52% - the Greens have advanced slightly at the expense of the FDP. The Union is just off its election low of 24% in most polls but still only in the mid-20s.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    Going to be a problem if they start trying to claim to represent “minority groups”. Are they the majority or the minority? Who knows?
    Globally the majority, but a minority here. It seems pretty obvious to me.

    Not a term that I would use.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Foxy said:

    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ‘Black and Global Majority Ethnic’ is an incredibly rare term. Just 167 hits on all of Google, many referencing this unhappy case

    Seems to have emerged from niche academe about 2 years ago. Fascinating to see if it catches

    This academic says he got it from working for Islington council.@Finn_Mackay
    Fellow White people - in my teaching I don't use the acronym BAME or use it as a noun. I use Black & Global Majority Ethnic people/groups in the UK etc. I got this term from the team working on racial equality in Islington council when I worked there in 2004.


    https://twitter.com/Finn_Mackay/status/1271013954253398016
    You’re not giving they them’s full title
    Dr Finn Mackay Adult Human Queermale, a sociology lecturer at Bristol Uni. Superb. Apparently not a parody
    Much more complicated than that.... Apparently "they" have or have not transitioned, but which way is a bit hard to follow, with all the innovative use of pronouns.

    And they work at the University of the West of England, not Bristol University.
    Her book is actually quite interesting and well written. She is female but dresses male, and a lesbian. She says she isn't bothered by pronouns.
    What gives you the right to speak for they?


  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036
    Leon said:
    Good article, even if poking fun at the absurdities of the extreme left (or right for that matter) feels a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.

    And why are the left so obsessed with American "imperialism", when, with a couple of exceptions (the Phillippines) it was the first non-imperial great power in history, at any rate once it had dispossessed its own natives, and in fact hugely undermined the European colonial empires?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ‘Black and Global Majority Ethnic’ is an incredibly rare term. Just 167 hits on all of Google, many referencing this unhappy case

    Seems to have emerged from niche academe about 2 years ago. Fascinating to see if it catches

    This academic says he got it from working for Islington council.@Finn_Mackay
    Fellow White people - in my teaching I don't use the acronym BAME or use it as a noun. I use Black & Global Majority Ethnic people/groups in the UK etc. I got this term from the team working on racial equality in Islington council when I worked there in 2004.


    https://twitter.com/Finn_Mackay/status/1271013954253398016
    You’re not giving they them’s full title
    Dr Finn Mackay Adult Human Queermale, a sociology lecturer at Bristol Uni. Superb. Apparently not a parody
    Much more complicated than that.... Apparently "they" have or have not transitioned, but which way is a bit hard to follow, with all the innovative use of pronouns.

    And they work at the University of the West of England, not Bristol University.
    At university in Bristol, with an honourable mention to Jeffery Archer.
    His book covers "transmasculine lesbian masculinities."

    Sure to knock SeanT off the bestseller charts.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Applicant said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:





    Explain for us what you believe "woke" is to be, and which bits of it you might find yourself agreeing with one of the most homicidal despots of our time on?
    Stuff like this. I agree with Putin on this:

    "Putin brought up Martin Luther King’s remarks about judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

    “Countering acts of racism is a necessary and noble cause,” Putin said, “but the new ‘cancel culture’ has turned it into reverse discrimination, that is, reverse racism. The obsessive emphasis on race is further dividing people, when the real fighters for civil rights dreamed precisely about erasing differences and refusing to divide people by skin color.”"

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/10/31/lucas-putins-poke-at-intolerance-by-woke-left-revealing/

    Of course, he might have said all this just to stir trouble, and he doesn't mean it, yet we have all learned that when Putin says stuff - eg "I am going to invade Ukraine" - he often means it. So I take it at face value. And I agree with him
    Well I'm happy to be on the other side of this argument from you and Putin. To be antiracist you have to think about race and this does have pitfalls. But it's better to do that, and try and avoid the pitfalls, than it is to bank on ingrained white supremacy being best eradicated by pretending it doesn't exist.
    The BIB is the part I have a problem with. We would all be much better off if nobody ever thought about race. Let's set an example.
    I know what you mean but it's facile. To take one of a million examples, the Met and the strip search of the schoolgirl. Not an isolated case but indicative of ingrained racism in powerful people and places. Our flagship police force, nearly 30 years after Stephen Lawrence. How do we combat this without thinking about race?
    Do we know the strip search was ‘racist’?

    Not a facetious point. I’ve not read the details. Her race might have been incidental (I genuinely don’t know)

    Did they abuse her racially? Has this only ever happened to black girls?

    I’m not diminishing the offence. My brief reading tells me this was a demeaning act

    We don't know the search was racist.

    On the other hand, if black girls are being (wrongly) strip searched at a much greater rate than white ones, we should probably ask questions.
    https://chscp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Child-Q-PUBLISHED-14-March-22.pdf

    Over the same period, 25 children under the age of 18 were subject of ‘further
    searches’. 19 were male and 18 were handcuffed during the process. The
    reasons for search primarily related to suspicions about drugs (20), followed by
    weapons (4) and stolen property (1). 22 (88%) of the searches were negative
    with an outcome of no further action recorded in 20 (80%) of the cases. In
    terms of ethnicity, (as per the codes used by the police), 15 (60%) of the
    children searched were Black, 2 were White, 6 Asian and 2 Arab or North
    African.
    88% of the searches were negative.

    Ouch.
    Note the review stated plainly that there was no justification for such a search to be carried out at all.
    Even if it had been, it was illegal for it to be carried out without her parents being informed and ideally her mother present.

    As in should get the officers concerned fourteen years for sexual assault.

    It won't, because the Met make the oligarchs of Russia look honest. But it should.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Fishing said:

    Leon said:
    Good article, even if poking fun at the absurdities of the extreme left (or right for that matter) feels a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.

    And why are the left so obsessed with American "imperialism", when, with a couple of exceptions (the Phillippines) it was the first non-imperial great power in history, at any rate once it had dispossessed its own natives, and in fact hugely undermined the European colonial empires?
    As it also spread capitalism, so by definition was evil
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Andy_JS said:

    Support for the Green Party in Germany appears to be on the rise according to recent polls.

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    CDU back in front in most recent German polls though under their new leader, Friedrich Merz
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,355
    Sounds like the next couple of weeks could be bad for Ukraine. Mariupol falls, army fighting in Donbas has to retreat or is encircled, Dnipro becomes a new front line. Will their morale hold up?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited March 2022
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    Going to be a problem if they start trying to claim to represent “minority groups”. Are they the majority or the minority? Who knows?
    Globally the majority, but a minority here. It seems pretty obvious to me.

    Not a term that I would use.
    But there is no global majority. Not even ethnic Chinese ...

    To get to a majority of any ethnic group, you'd have to define them by what they are not (white, or some other), rather than what they are.


    PS Apologies to Lostpassword and others. I see this thought has already been expressed
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036
    HYUFD said:

    Fishing said:

    Leon said:
    Good article, even if poking fun at the absurdities of the extreme left (or right for that matter) feels a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.

    And why are the left so obsessed with American "imperialism", when, with a couple of exceptions (the Phillippines) it was the first non-imperial great power in history, at any rate once it had dispossessed its own natives, and in fact hugely undermined the European colonial empires?
    As it also spread capitalism, so by definition was evil
    I think that's right, although the Marshall Plan of course made European social democracy and welfare states possible after the war.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Transport Secretary Grant Shapps 'shocked and dismayed' by P & O's treatment of its workers yesterday

    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1504797915709165572?s=20&t=Uv1Jkrh4ntCf1hKSKPVuYQ
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,375

    Leon said:

    Aha

    "Black and Global Majority" yields 27,000 hits. This is the source. It is definitely going to be the new acceptable term, so shape up and get used to it, you racist white global minority people.

    This woman claims to have coined it, and she emphasises that it is meant to make white people feel more humble

    https://www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/-/media/files/schools/school-of-education/final-leeds-beckett-1102-global-majority.pdf

    She must be pretty stupid then.

    In the modern world if you're a minority then you're a victim and if you're a victim then you are excused anything bad which you do.
    Astonishing concept. All the black and brown people are indistinguishable...
    Seems a bit....you know....erhhh....well...racist.
    Somebody who worked for Islington Council is a racist?

    I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ‘Black and Global Majority Ethnic’ is an incredibly rare term. Just 167 hits on all of Google, many referencing this unhappy case

    Seems to have emerged from niche academe about 2 years ago. Fascinating to see if it catches

    This academic says he got it from working for Islington council.@Finn_Mackay
    Fellow White people - in my teaching I don't use the acronym BAME or use it as a noun. I use Black & Global Majority Ethnic people/groups in the UK etc. I got this term from the team working on racial equality in Islington council when I worked there in 2004.


    https://twitter.com/Finn_Mackay/status/1271013954253398016
    You’re not giving they them’s full title
    Dr Finn Mackay Adult Human Queermale, a sociology lecturer at Bristol Uni. Superb. Apparently not a parody
    Much more complicated than that.... Apparently "they" have or have not transitioned, but which way is a bit hard to follow, with all the innovative use of pronouns.

    And they work at the University of the West of England, not Bristol University.
    Her book is actually quite interesting and well written. She is female but dresses male, and a lesbian. She says she isn't bothered by pronouns.
    What gives you the right to speak for they?


    She says so in the first chapters of her book.

    You should read it, you might learn something to challenge your prejudices.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    Fishing said:

    Leon said:
    Good article, even if poking fun at the absurdities of the extreme left (or right for that matter) feels a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.

    And why are the left so obsessed with American "imperialism", when, with a couple of exceptions (the Phillippines) it was the first non-imperial great power in history, at any rate once it had dispossessed its own natives, and in fact hugely undermined the European colonial empires?
    Its a good job nobody uses Luminary, otherwise somebody might be threatening to pull their podcast from their network unless Russell Brand was sanctioned.....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    TimT said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    Going to be a problem if they start trying to claim to represent “minority groups”. Are they the majority or the minority? Who knows?
    Globally the majority, but a minority here. It seems pretty obvious to me.

    Not a term that I would use.
    But there is no global majority. Not even ethnic Chinese ...

    To get to a majority of any ethnic group, you'd have to define them by what they are not (white, or some other), rather than what they are.
    The intention is ultimately to delegitimise democratic politics: "You may be the majority in your country, but your country is just defined by arbitrary lines on the map and isn't representative of humanity as a whole."
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    But black people aren't the global majority.
    No ethnic group is, but if you add up all the ethnic groups (bar one) then they will consequently form a majority. It seems like the "Black and .." is a linguistic clue for this being another way to say "non-white" without saying "non-white", but it is a bit strange. What, for example, would "White and Global Majority" mean, and how would it be different from "Black and Global Majority", or "Asian and Global Majority"?
    Indeed, sadly there appears to be no limit to the stupidity of ideas that emanate from some portions of academia.
    BGME and BAGMEPIUK started with academe, but - oddly - the vector of this viral meme seems to be the arts, especially theatre

    It is positively thriving in theatreland, its first proper home outside the groves of the academy:

    "Pamela Jikiemi: 'Black and global-majority creatives need more seats at the decision-making table'"

    https://www.thestage.co.uk/advice/pamela-jikiemi-black-and-global-majority-creatives-need-more-seats-at-the-decision-making-table

    "Most recently, the company collaborated with partners at the Royal Exchange, Manchester and Liverpool Everyman & Playhouse Theatres to commission 19 of the most exciting Black and global majority writers"

    https://www.broadwayworld.com/uk-regional/article/Lekan-Lawal-Joins-Eclipse-Theatre-has-Artistic-Director-and-Joint-Chief-Executive-20220105

    There is an excellent thesis to be written on this cultural subplot. The Epidemiology of Wokeness in Language. Probably needs a BAGMEPIUK to write it
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    Going to be a problem if they start trying to claim to represent “minority groups”. Are they the majority or the minority? Who knows?
    Globally the majority, but a minority here. It seems pretty obvious to me.

    Not a term that I would use.
    No, no, thrice no! All "black" people (please define) in the world are not an ethnic group!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Andy_JS said:

    dixiedean said:

    First bands I saw live was Wembley Stadium 1984.
    UB 40, Santana then Dylan. 72k on the hottest day of the year.
    Dylan brought Clapton, Carlos Santana and Chrissie Hynde on for the final few. Then on walked Van Morrison to do It's All Over Now Baby Blue.
    Dylan was on fire that night.
    I thought every gig would be like that.

    Frankie Goes To Hollywood were probably number one with Two Tribes at the time.
    Yup.
    Liked them too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,640

    Sounds like the next couple of weeks could be bad for Ukraine. Mariupol falls, army fighting in Donbas has to retreat or is encircled, Dnipro becomes a new front line. Will their morale hold up?
    I think that Ukraine will lose Kherson and the oblasts between it and the Donbas, but hold the rest.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    U2 are certainly the best group starting with the letter U.

    UB40 are just a covers band; U-Roy is too niche; the Undertones seem a bit one-hit wondery; Underworld are shit.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    TimT said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Aslan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OllyT said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:
    Makes a change from the Putin apologists of the right. We used to have one on here, who was an itinerant flint knapper.
    With all due respect, doctor, fuck off

    I have never been a "Putin apologist"

    Is Putin right about Wokeness? Yes. Is he a fascist thug? Also yes

    Hitler was good on cars and motorways; Stalin was a charismatic war leader; Fred West probably laid a fine patio. Life is full of paradoxes
    You're trivializing it with those examples. Putin's reactionary views on social and cultural matters are integral to his politics and world view. It ought to give you - at the very very least - pause for thought that you share them.
    No, it doesn't, Putin is right on this one subject: perhaps it takes a cold-hearted enemy to appraise us correctly.

    Putin is also a war-mongering maniac who needs to be taken out

    Meanwhile:








    Pathetic. Within a minute I could find a dozen photos of the Queen meeting Putin. Does that make her a Putin apologist?

    Personally, I'd be much more embarrassed being photographed with Bono than Putin.

    At least Putin's evil will die with him; Bono's evil will curse humanity for decades.
    Or Boneo, as we call him in our family.
    The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby! are two of the greatest rock albums of all time.
    You are so lucky. To have so much music that is better than U2 still in your future.

    You have an extraordinary journey of discovery ahead of you.
    Please name the bands better than U2.
    Starting at A?
    ACDC
    Allman Brothers Band
    Anyone else?
    Alison Krauss and Union Station. Best for country/blue grass.
    Oh brilliant yes.
    They supported Paul Simon in Hyde Park maybe a decade back. There had been a problem the night before when (I think) Bruce Springsteen massively overran, so they moved the whole concert forward an hour without telling anyone. Coupled with getting a puncture, I got into the Park just in time to hear her say "Thank you, London!" as she left the stage.

    Arse....
    I saw Paul Simon in his last ever concert outside the US - again at Hyde Park. Support was Bonnie Raitt who is just brilliant.
    Best live concert for me was Lynyrd Skynyrd at Knebworth. Showed up 10CC and the Stones real bad.
    This one ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm7bkVxBXdA
    Yep, that's the one. Did you spot me in the crowd?

    Mick Jagger had forbidden all the other bands from using the tongue part of the stage, so of course, what did Skynyrd do? All rushed down part way through, except the bassist's cord was too short and he got pulled up part way down and had to stay halfway down as the others grouped together.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,190
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Stuff like this. I agree with Putin on this:

    "Putin brought up Martin Luther King’s remarks about judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

    “Countering acts of racism is a necessary and noble cause,” Putin said, “but the new ‘cancel culture’ has turned it into reverse discrimination, that is, reverse racism. The obsessive emphasis on race is further dividing people, when the real fighters for civil rights dreamed precisely about erasing differences and refusing to divide people by skin color.”"

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/10/31/lucas-putins-poke-at-intolerance-by-woke-left-revealing/

    Of course, he might have said all this just to stir trouble, and he doesn't mean it, yet we have all learned that when Putin says stuff - eg "I am going to invade Ukraine" - he often means it. So I take it at face value. And I agree with him

    The point surely is that Putin repeatedly said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine. And then he did.

    Your support for Putin is as pathetically misguided as those Hilter and Mussolini apologists in the 30s. As ever, you are on the wrong side of history.

    Oh, get a life. If you can find ANY statement where I ‘support Putin’ then knock yourself out and quote it. Otherwise do shut the fuck up. Thanks
    Whatever his views on "woke" surely Putin's views have to be discounted because of the process he has followed to come to that view. He is a homophobic bigot, a totalitarian dictator, a warmonger and a mass-murderer. The fact that he has come to a similar view to you on "woke" is irrelevant. There's only two possible views on Woke - for and against - so quite possible express a similar outcome as a result of widely divergent/deviant thinking.
    Disagree. Putin is all those horrible things but that doesn’t make everything he says ‘wrong’, or somehow ignorable, in fact given his ruthless political success (in his own terms) it’s highly likely he’s notably smart, so his words should sometimes interest - as well as appal

    It’s a bit like the Wagner argument. Wagner was a truly venomous anti-Semite. I can see why he’s not played in Israel. But should his music be entirely cancelled and ignored?

    Actually, Putin is a bit more like Gary Glitter, but you see what I mean
    Putin isn't a musician. He is president of Russia. If you say he is right on "woke" then you are agreeing with the policies and actions he is promoting relating to "woke" issues in Russia.

    Agreeing with him about "cancel culture" means you agree with his policies on freedom of speech in Russia.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    U2 are certainly the best group starting with the letter U.

    UB40 are just a covers band; U-Roy is too niche; the Undertones seem a bit one-hit wondery; Underworld are shit.

    Ultravox?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Sounds like the next couple of weeks could be bad for Ukraine. Mariupol falls, army fighting in Donbas has to retreat or is encircled, Dnipro becomes a new front line. Will their morale hold up?
    Hopefully the rage will keep them going.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    It's everywhere, like a kind of spore in the basement


    "Central is pleased to announce, thanks to the generosity of an anonymous donor, a new series of major Scholarships to encourage applications from British students who identify as Black and Global Majority. "

    https://www.cssd.ac.uk/news/central-announces-louis-mahoney-scholarships-support-black-and-global-majority-students


    "The network (formerly the BAME Network) uses the empowering term ‘Black and Global Majority’, recognising the national and sector-wide critical conversations on the limitations of words such as ‘BAME’. "

    https://www.canterbury.ac.uk/about-us/social-and-environmental-responsibilities/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/race-equality


    But black people aren't the global majority.
    They are if you "just lump together basically everyone who isn't white, and anyone who has ever in any way suffered from nasty white people". That seems to be her logic. She claims BGMES are 80% of the world
    I’ve suffered from people on PB disagreeing with me. Does that make me BGME?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited March 2022

    U2 are certainly the best group starting with the letter U.

    UB40 are just a covers band; U-Roy is too niche; the Undertones seem a bit one-hit wondery; Underworld are shit.

    Ultravox?
    Apart from Vienna, I don’t think the man in the street can remember any Ultravox.

    Whereas I reckon U2 made around a dozen inmortal classics before 1992 when the well ran bizarrely dry.

    U2’s loss of form was as dramatic as Churchill after 45.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    ClippP said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ‘Black and Global Majority Ethnic’ is an incredibly rare term. Just 167 hits on all of Google, many referencing this unhappy case

    Seems to have emerged from niche academe about 2 years ago. Fascinating to see if it catches

    This academic says he got it from working for Islington council.@Finn_Mackay
    Fellow White people - in my teaching I don't use the acronym BAME or use it as a noun. I use Black & Global Majority Ethnic people/groups in the UK etc. I got this term from the team working on racial equality in Islington council when I worked there in 2004.


    https://twitter.com/Finn_Mackay/status/1271013954253398016
    You’re not giving they them’s full title
    Dr Finn Mackay Adult Human Queermale, a sociology lecturer at Bristol Uni. Superb. Apparently not a parody
    Much more complicated than that.... Apparently "they" have or have not transitioned, but which way is a bit hard to follow, with all the innovative use of pronouns.

    And they work at the University of the West of England, not Bristol University.
    Her book is actually quite interesting and well written. She is female but dresses male, and a lesbian. She says she isn't bothered by pronouns.
    What gives you the right to speak for they?


    For "them" is surely the right grammar.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,421

    Leon said:

    Aha

    "Black and Global Majority" yields 27,000 hits. This is the source. It is definitely going to be the new acceptable term, so shape up and get used to it, you racist white global minority people.

    This woman claims to have coined it, and she emphasises that it is meant to make white people feel more humble

    https://www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/-/media/files/schools/school-of-education/final-leeds-beckett-1102-global-majority.pdf

    She must be pretty stupid then.

    In the modern world if you're a minority then you're a victim and if you're a victim then you are excused anything bad which you do.
    Astonishing concept. All the black and brown people are indistinguishable...
    Pretty sure it would have to include the yellow ones it's to be a majority?
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Stuff like this. I agree with Putin on this:

    "Putin brought up Martin Luther King’s remarks about judging people by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

    “Countering acts of racism is a necessary and noble cause,” Putin said, “but the new ‘cancel culture’ has turned it into reverse discrimination, that is, reverse racism. The obsessive emphasis on race is further dividing people, when the real fighters for civil rights dreamed precisely about erasing differences and refusing to divide people by skin color.”"

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/10/31/lucas-putins-poke-at-intolerance-by-woke-left-revealing/

    Of course, he might have said all this just to stir trouble, and he doesn't mean it, yet we have all learned that when Putin says stuff - eg "I am going to invade Ukraine" - he often means it. So I take it at face value. And I agree with him

    The point surely is that Putin repeatedly said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine. And then he did.

    Your support for Putin is as pathetically misguided as those Hilter and Mussolini apologists in the 30s. As ever, you are on the wrong side of history.

    Oh, get a life. If you can find ANY statement where I ‘support Putin’ then knock yourself out and quote it. Otherwise do shut the fuck up. Thanks
    Whatever his views on "woke" surely Putin's views have to be discounted because of the process he has followed to come to that view. He is a homophobic bigot, a totalitarian dictator, a warmonger and a mass-murderer. The fact that he has come to a similar view to you on "woke" is irrelevant. There's only two possible views on Woke - for and against - so quite possible express a similar outcome as a result of widely divergent/deviant thinking.
    Disagree. Putin is all those horrible things but that doesn’t make everything he says ‘wrong’, or somehow ignorable, in fact given his ruthless political success (in his own terms) it’s highly likely he’s notably smart, so his words should sometimes interest - as well as appal

    It’s a bit like the Wagner argument. Wagner was a truly venomous anti-Semite. I can see why he’s not played in Israel. But should his music be entirely cancelled and ignored?

    Actually, Putin is a bit more like Gary Glitter, but you see what I mean
    Putin isn't a musician. He is president of Russia. If you say he is right on "woke" then you are agreeing with the policies and actions he is promoting relating to "woke" issues in Russia.

    Agreeing with him about "cancel culture" means you agree with his policies on freedom of speech in Russia.

    It doesn't mean those things. It's quite possible (for example) that I should agree with something you might say on European politics. That doesn't mean I agree with all your words and deeds on the topic.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 930
    Looking at Shrewsbury, it has always had an underlying Liberal/Lib Dem vote that has placed it in second place on several occasions.
    At present the Lib Dems are the growth party in Shropshire, I would suggest they would give a by election there the maximum effort, and of course it neighbours North Shropshire. Would probably be a three way contest.
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