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If you want to be taken seriously, you could try answering the questions people put to you. Instead you are ignoring them, and trolling us with provocative one line posts.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
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This is patent bullshit, they have attacked Kiev already, there is no waiting to attack it.PJohnson said:
Putin is waiting for the right moment to attack Kiev and is doing well in the south of ukraineAslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.3 -
Mull has a completely different passing place etiquette.algarkirk said:
Try Mull instead. No bridge. God's own country. And get there from the mainland by driving to the end of the world and taking the small ferry from Lochaline to Fishnish. No booking, just turn up. if you can find it.Eabhal said:
You're either talking about the tourists who support the otherwise paltry economy, or the English.IshmaelZ said:
Sure. It's not the bridge itself, it's what comes over it.JosiasJessop said:
Yet the Kylesku Bridge is a thing of unalloyed beauty. Concrete and terrain in perfect harmony.IshmaelZ said:
That fucking bridge was the worst mistake in the history of civil engineering. I am a Hilleary btw so not in need of guidance on the whole Skye thang.Eabhal said:
In my experience the English tend to be pretty knowledgeable about the Highlands. They go on holiday, and they fall in love.IshmaelZ said:
Bloody hell. "Highlands" is not some sort of sociological or demographic construct, it's a fact of life. Look on a map.JosiasJessop said:
I haven't been following the discussion, but I don't think of Faslane as being 'Highlands'. It's too near Glasgow for it to be 'Highlands', demographically, geographically, or culturally. It's close, though.Carnyx said:
But Glasgow is on the border of the Highlands. At the Faslane part.HYUFD said:
Kay word 'parts', as I pointed out the distance from the top to the bottom of the Highlands is longer than the distance between London and the North of England.Heathener said:By the way, this isn't mere play. If you talk to the residents around Faslane they are acutely aware that it would be the No.1 nuclear target.
So, no, some of the Highlands are certainly not the safest place to be.
(I'm assuming everyone knows it's the home of our Trident nuclear subs)
Plus of course the whole reason at least 1 submarines with Trident nuclear missiles on board is always on patrol 24/7 is that in the event of nuclear war the UK PM from his bunker could still order a nuclear missile attack on Moscow or whereever the nuclear attack on the UK came from even if Faslane had been hit (though in reality it would almost certainly only be Moscow or Bejing being the 2 capitals of our potential enemies with nuclear weapons). 1 Trident nuclear missile is the equivalent of 8 Hiroshimas on its own
And since, perhaps uniquely on PB, I've walked around the lot (excepting the islands), I'll put myself as an authority.
Not quite sure what you have "walked around" the lot of but a lot of us have been there. Indeed there's actual Scots who post here who probably know almost as much about it as you do.
Indeed, Skye is basically the Home Counties + plus mad Dutch drivers nowadays.
I know what JJ means. Argyll is distinct from Assynt. Perthshire from the Cuillin. Speyside from Caithness.
They indicate for each one. Yuck.0 -
At which point Putin launches his nukes and it's Game Over... for us all.Aslan said:
Keep on enforcing the no fly zone. We can afford to keep going far longer than they can. Putin needs a quick war. If they can't use aerial support for their troops then they will get bogged down for years. Russia's economy can't afford a war that long. And they need the Western components to make their advanced weaponry.MightyAlex said:
And when more are shot down? Russia is not Iraq. They have S-400s, actual high technology.Aslan said:
Add more airforces to shoot down Russian planes.MightyAlex said:
What would you recommend NATO doing if an RAF fighter was shot down over Ukraine?Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.0 -
Thanks Lord Haw-Haw. That idea might have its own rationale but your care for them doesn't sound very sincere to me.PJohnson said:
Which is why Ukraine should think about surrendering now and enter negotiations...many lives will be savedLeon said:
Thermobaric bombs is the best guessBigRich said:
gosh!!williamglenn said:Looks like an absolutely massive explosion in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498037904496418817
Have they exploded and oil/gas storage or is that one of those very big bombs, that somebody was talking about yesterday?
Either a similar bomb or the same explosion from a different angle. Ginormous
https://twitter.com/mutahmett/status/1498022991724261385?s=20&t=5VRcrjSE8-1FHaY1x0FR0Q
Putin has doubled down. He is going to Grozny Ukraine into submission. Hideous. Many thousands will die1 -
It has to be taken at 80 though...JosiasJessop said:
Yet the Kylesku Bridge is a thing of unalloyed beauty. Concrete and terrain in perfect harmony.IshmaelZ said:
That fucking bridge was the worst mistake in the history of civil engineering. I am a Hilleary btw so not in need of guidance on the whole Skye thang.Eabhal said:
In my experience the English tend to be pretty knowledgeable about the Highlands. They go on holiday, and they fall in love.IshmaelZ said:
Bloody hell. "Highlands" is not some sort of sociological or demographic construct, it's a fact of life. Look on a map.JosiasJessop said:
I haven't been following the discussion, but I don't think of Faslane as being 'Highlands'. It's too near Glasgow for it to be 'Highlands', demographically, geographically, or culturally. It's close, though.Carnyx said:
But Glasgow is on the border of the Highlands. At the Faslane part.HYUFD said:
Kay word 'parts', as I pointed out the distance from the top to the bottom of the Highlands is longer than the distance between London and the North of England.Heathener said:By the way, this isn't mere play. If you talk to the residents around Faslane they are acutely aware that it would be the No.1 nuclear target.
So, no, some of the Highlands are certainly not the safest place to be.
(I'm assuming everyone knows it's the home of our Trident nuclear subs)
Plus of course the whole reason at least 1 submarines with Trident nuclear missiles on board is always on patrol 24/7 is that in the event of nuclear war the UK PM from his bunker could still order a nuclear missile attack on Moscow or whereever the nuclear attack on the UK came from even if Faslane had been hit (though in reality it would almost certainly only be Moscow or Bejing being the 2 capitals of our potential enemies with nuclear weapons). 1 Trident nuclear missile is the equivalent of 8 Hiroshimas on its own
And since, perhaps uniquely on PB, I've walked around the lot (excepting the islands), I'll put myself as an authority.
Not quite sure what you have "walked around" the lot of but a lot of us have been there. Indeed there's actual Scots who post here who probably know almost as much about it as you do.
Indeed, Skye is basically the Home Counties + plus mad Dutch drivers nowadays.
I know what JJ means. Argyll is distinct from Assynt. Perthshire from the Cuillin. Speyside from Caithness.
The drive from Ullapool to Durness was the best in the Kingdom before, cough spit, some idiot invented the NC500.0 -
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
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Yes, that's got me puzzled. How the f*ck do you hide an airforce, even a small one like Ukraine's?Eabhal said:
Do you think the Ukraine Air force are flying out of Romania/Poland?Yokes said:
Well the RAF couldn't enforce that on their own. Do not assume, however, that a de facto no fly could not come into effect in the west of Ukraine at some point. NATO have kitted for it, lets put it that way.MightyAlex said:
What would you recommend NATO doing if an RAF fighter was shot down over Ukraine?Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.
Would explain their remarkable resilience.0 -
Amazingly, people can be genuine in their emotions and opinions, even without being willing to personally join in the fight of a war, nor should that be a requirement if one is to comment on matter of global importance, or local importance for that matter.Luckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
We see this on all manner of topics, but I find the pretence that there is something weak or untoward in strong emotional expression if one is not willing to literally or figuratively storm a barricade somewhere, in this case Ukraine, to be far from showing level headed pragmatism, rather it is a standard debating technique to imply the views expressed are somehow not legitimate ro undermined by lack of conviction. You want higher taxes but aren't voluntarily paying more? You support Sindy but aren't even living there? You support free markets but aren't going to just disband the NHS?
Are people getting carried away at times? Of course, we're all human here (probably). Do people need to dial it down a notch? Perhaps. Does people sticking to making comments on an online blog rather than joining the legion undermine any points they have made as a result?
Of course it bloody doesn't.1 -
If we start shooting down Russian aircraft, we don’t control what happens next. To have a no fly zone you have to be prepared to do so.Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.
Like I say, emotionally I’d love to intervene. Logically I know we can’t directly, but I’m glad to see the west push the limits (though silently a bit worried we might find the limit).
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When has it been good numbers for the conservatives and more especially Boris but my point standsFarooq said:
Well, you were posting about polling numbers... yesterday.Big_G_NorthWales said:
At this moment in history who cares about pollsCorrectHorseBattery said:Poll today gives Labour a majority and Tories on their worst results since 2005.
Most people are worried sick by the Ukraine crisis and the next GE is 2 years away
As I said this morning in 24 I could vote for one of three parties but right now there are far more important issues
Ah, but that was when it was good news for the Conservatives.0 -
Getting that traffic jam up a 40 mile road is not a quick job.PJohnson said:
Putin is waiting for the right moment to attack Kiev and is doing well in the south of ukraineAslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.1 -
My pension is pretty shite so I am pretty easy osey myself.Benpointer said:
Frankly I was hoping for another 20-30 years of life rather than dying in a nuclear holocaust before the summer.Aslan said:
Add more airforces to shoot down Russian planes.MightyAlex said:
What would you recommend NATO doing if an RAF fighter was shot down over Ukraine?Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.2 -
Updated guidance just published by Home Office shows even this first step does NOT apply to wider family.
What are they thinking? What about people struggling to get elderly parents here, or Ukrainians who can’t come stay with sister or brother here?/1 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/support-for-family-members-of-british-nationals-in-ukraine-and-ukrainian-nationals-in-ukraine-and-the-uk https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1498051799416066048/photo/1
Shameful of Govt to refuse to even help other relatives in a terrible European war like this.
Home Office must immediately extend this to wider family members and then they must set out a broader sanctuary route so UK also does its bit to help other Ukrainians too/20 -
It must be incredibly emasculating for you to have your tongue so far up the arse of a flabby chested syphilitic foggy like Putin. Is it because you are so economically pathetic you need to shill for a few rubles? Or is it because you're the sort of loser white man you have to embrace white nationalism as a way to claim credit for other people's achievements?PJohnson said:
Which is why Ukraine should think about surrendering now and enter negotiations...many lives will be savedLeon said:
Thermobaric bombs is the best guessBigRich said:
gosh!!williamglenn said:Looks like an absolutely massive explosion in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498037904496418817
Have they exploded and oil/gas storage or is that one of those very big bombs, that somebody was talking about yesterday?
Either a similar bomb or the same explosion from a different angle. Ginormous
https://twitter.com/mutahmett/status/1498022991724261385?s=20&t=5VRcrjSE8-1FHaY1x0FR0Q
Putin has doubled down. He is going to Grozny Ukraine into submission. Hideous. Many thousands will die0 -
I tried to drink Putin Khuylo in both Lviv and Kyiv but it was out of stock. A popular beer, for some reason.darkage said:
Another example of excellent propoganda.BlancheLivermore said:
Travis Akers
@travisakers
Pravda Brewery, based in Lviv, Ukraine, has suspended its beer brewing operations and is now making Molotov cocktails for residents to use against invading Russian forces.
The labels on the bottles say “Putin is a dickhead.”
https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1497754605865684992
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Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?1
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@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink4 -
Ukraine is a very large country and, according to reports, has quite a lot of suspiciously well-maintained stretches of long, straight road. Out West, in regions that the Russian army hasn't yet got close to.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, that's got me puzzled. How the f*ck do you hide an airforce, even a small one like Ukraine's?Eabhal said:
Do you think the Ukraine Air force are flying out of Romania/Poland?Yokes said:
Well the RAF couldn't enforce that on their own. Do not assume, however, that a de facto no fly could not come into effect in the west of Ukraine at some point. NATO have kitted for it, lets put it that way.MightyAlex said:
What would you recommend NATO doing if an RAF fighter was shot down over Ukraine?Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.
Would explain their remarkable resilience.1 -
There's something going on with Lukashenko too. He seems to have been critical to the arranging the meeting today, and his form of words for the threat was quite odd.Taz said:https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1497911200692289544?s=21
A member of the Belarusian military speaks to the Belarusian troops.
"We have to be very careful, because nuclear war could be the end of everything." That could be interpreted as a direct threat to Putin and the regime, prophesying its end, as much as anything else, and for a hardman his face looked terrified.1 -
Ukrainian surrender means some number of people still get killed, since it is Putin's stated policy to root out various undesirables. Russian surrender would mean no more killing, since the Ukrainians don't have any policy to march into Russia to take out nazis or whatever. So by his own 'concerned' approach the latter is more peaceful.BartholomewRoberts said:
Considering your "views" are that Ukrainians should just surrender, I'm not sure there's much to be welcomed.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Why don't you advise Russians to surrender so they don't get killed? 🤔1 -
When you chose your PB name did you ever consider using an initial A rather than a P? It would have been rather prophetic considering the posts you have subsequently made.PJohnson said:
Which is why Ukraine should think about surrendering now and enter negotiations...many lives will be savedLeon said:
Thermobaric bombs is the best guessBigRich said:
gosh!!williamglenn said:Looks like an absolutely massive explosion in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498037904496418817
Have they exploded and oil/gas storage or is that one of those very big bombs, that somebody was talking about yesterday?
Either a similar bomb or the same explosion from a different angle. Ginormous
https://twitter.com/mutahmett/status/1498022991724261385?s=20&t=5VRcrjSE8-1FHaY1x0FR0Q
Putin has doubled down. He is going to Grozny Ukraine into submission. Hideous. Many thousands will die
I appreciate PBs policy of inclusivity, but do we really need this offensive propaganda?1 -
And an incredible target for drones. Especially with those fuel and ammunition lorries.Foxy said:
Getting that traffic jam up a 40 mile road is not a quick job.PJohnson said:
Putin is waiting for the right moment to attack Kiev and is doing well in the south of ukraineAslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.1 -
Money isn't everything. Indeed money is next to nothing compared to life, love and health.DavidL said:
My pension is pretty shite so I am pretty easy osey myself.Benpointer said:
Frankly I was hoping for another 20-30 years of life rather than dying in a nuclear holocaust before the summer.Aslan said:
Add more airforces to shoot down Russian planes.MightyAlex said:
What would you recommend NATO doing if an RAF fighter was shot down over Ukraine?Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.1 -
Yesterday, multiple Russian state media published an extremely shocking, even for Kremlin standards, essay: it presumed "Putin solved the Ukrainian question for ever" - i.e. it presumed Russia took over Ukraine and essentially annexed it into a forever-new--old-union. But...
..this essay was apparently written for a scenario where Russian armed forces had taken over Kyiv and subjugated the country...Which didn't actually happen. So, what did state news agency do? They deleted the article, as if the plan had never been published in the first place.
Ok, one can assume this was just an editorial mistake that was caught early, and the essay did not reflect the State view..EXCEPT.. this same essay was carried on other state-run channels too, like @SputnikInt
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Wouldn't a halt to invasion save even more lives?PJohnson said:
Which is why Ukraine should think about surrendering now and enter negotiations...many lives will be savedLeon said:
Thermobaric bombs is the best guessBigRich said:
gosh!!williamglenn said:Looks like an absolutely massive explosion in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498037904496418817
Have they exploded and oil/gas storage or is that one of those very big bombs, that somebody was talking about yesterday?
Either a similar bomb or the same explosion from a different angle. Ginormous
https://twitter.com/mutahmett/status/1498022991724261385?s=20&t=5VRcrjSE8-1FHaY1x0FR0Q
Putin has doubled down. He is going to Grozny Ukraine into submission. Hideous. Many thousands will die
If you would otherwise claim that because of its concerns Russia shouldn't halt its attacks you are saying there are situations it is ok to kill others. Apparently, self defence is not one of them.
You're not even trying.3 -
I hope you are doing OK Horse.CorrectHorseBattery said:Poll today gives Labour a majority and Tories on their worst results since 2005.
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Having a half-assed rent-a-bot-for-Putin infest PB for time being, is just a back-handed tribute from the Secret Policeman's Other Ball . . .Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
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BBC news is having a terrible war by the way. Having found Sky annoying for a year or two, I’m back.1
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Unexpectedly, the war is on a knife edge. Russia is struggling against a poor country a quarter of its size. Putin can't afford to expand the war. His whole plan now is to level the entire country of Ukraine to beat them into submission. If there is any military intervention at all from someone else on Ukraine's side, he is fucked.biggles said:
If we start shooting down Russian aircraft, we don’t control what happens next. To have a no fly zone you have to be prepared to do so.Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.
Like I say, emotionally I’d love to intervene. Logically I know we can’t directly, but I’m glad to see the west push the limits (though silently a bit worried we might find the limit).0 -
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR0 -
"I think it is unacceptable for people who are attacked to defend themselves. Also, it is unfair that people are mean to me with their words as it hurts my feelings" (paraphrase)
When you think about it, that really is exactly what Putin is also saying.2 -
You're on the wrong side.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR11 -
Like RT, let him post rubbish and rely on the good sense of the audience to see through the fatuous and pathetic lies. It’s a sign of desperation and weakness, not strength or confidence.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
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An out of date poll out of line with all the polls over the last week which have Labour leads of around 5% not 10%+CorrectHorseBattery said:Poll today gives Labour a majority and Tories on their worst results since 2005.
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Interesting about the Parkinson's - I posted the pother day, that a neurologist I knew thought the same thing.MarqueeMark said:
Better hope his finger isn't hovering over the nuclear launch then.....Benpointer said:
Mrs P thinks he looks like he's got Parkinson's.Leon said:
He really hasn't. He has a new football-shaped faceFoxy said:
Nah, he has always looked like that.Flatlander said:
The rounded face could be either Botox or steroids..WhisperingOracle said:
There could be, but I still don't really understand what's going on with him. He clearly is genuinely changed in some ways and embarked on a mad project to take Kiyiv, for instance, or to refer continually to 1940's history.ydoethur said:
His behaviour at the moment is eerily reminiscent of that of Brezhnev in his last years. Crazy foreign ventures. Threats of nuclear annihilation. Trying to sustain over-ambitious military spending at the expense of his country. Rampaging fraud and corruption in the government. The FSB extremely powerful.Aslan said:
Moscow has had far more crazed nutcases than Putin over the decades and none of them launched nuclear weapons. They know full well Russia would be leveled if it happened. And they know that Russia will indeed "be in the world" if they don't. This is all an attempt to get others to back down. I.e. a bluff.Heathener said:
Hell's bells.Scott_xP said:
Russian state TV: “Our submarines alone can launch more than 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the US and NATO for good measure. The principle is: why do we need the world if Russia won’t be in it?”geoffw said:If Putin has come to the end of the road he might try to take the rest of us with him.
https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1498022807627829250
Someone needs to stop this madman. And fast.
Brezhnev, of course, had dementia, complicated by cardiovascular problems and alcoholism.
There may be more to these rumours about Putin's health.
Yet I wonder what other elements might be performance here, particularly now when he's terrifying the world. Could it be some very strange mixture of elaborately planned theatre and genuine danger and illness, I wonder. We have to take him to a considerable degree at his word when he's making these kinds of threats, ofcourse.
Young Putin was quite cheekboney0 -
I do not know. I'd think unlikely but there is some unpublicised & unclear stuff occurring around the Western borders of Ukraine.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, that's got me puzzled. How the f*ck do you hide an airforce, even a small one like Ukraine's?Eabhal said:
Do you think the Ukraine Air force are flying out of Romania/Poland?Yokes said:
Well the RAF couldn't enforce that on their own. Do not assume, however, that a de facto no fly could not come into effect in the west of Ukraine at some point. NATO have kitted for it, lets put it that way.MightyAlex said:
What would you recommend NATO doing if an RAF fighter was shot down over Ukraine?Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.
Would explain their remarkable resilience.
How many Ukrainian combat aircraft have you seen flying in the last 48 hours or so? From what I can see, not a lot. Drones are easier to keep mobile & can launch from any number of sites and there is a working theory that the Russian air defence systems are not tremendously effective against them.
One thing I'd not discount is that the aircraft might at some point do an Iraq and get offside.
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Exactly. It’s totally insane and not,going to happen.Benpointer said:
At which point Putin launches his nukes and it's Game Over... for us all.Aslan said:
Keep on enforcing the no fly zone. We can afford to keep going far longer than they can. Putin needs a quick war. If they can't use aerial support for their troops then they will get bogged down for years. Russia's economy can't afford a war that long. And they need the Western components to make their advanced weaponry.MightyAlex said:
And when more are shot down? Russia is not Iraq. They have S-400s, actual high technology.Aslan said:
Add more airforces to shoot down Russian planes.MightyAlex said:
What would you recommend NATO doing if an RAF fighter was shot down over Ukraine?Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.1 -
Wow. Just, wow.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
You actually believe that free nations are not allowed to seek out alliances if they want. You actually buy into the idea that expansion 25 years ago of former USSR areas was wrong. You actually think this is Ukraine's fault for trying to choose its own path.12 -
One doesn't need fake news. One or two on here even have Ukrainian relatives. It must be difficult to have to see his shit even if one tries not to read it as one scrolls through.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink1 -
Quisling, cowardly, bollocks. Thank God we didn’t see the world in those terms in 1949 when NATO was founded, or whenever it has expanded.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-the-cabinets-seats-now-at-risk-reveals-new-poll-gtktx2r0w
The poll to which I refer.
Half the cabinet’s seats now at risk, reveals new poll
An election today would result in the Tories losing 164 seats, a survey suggests, and only 9 per cent of us believe PM ‘tells the truth’0 -
Boris Johnson receives emotional standing ovation from Ukrainian Cathedral in Mayfair for his Russia speech - WATCH
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/boris-johnson-receives-emotional-standing-ovation-from-ukrainian-cathedral-in-mayfair-for-his-russia-speech-watch/235942
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I wonder if it was leaked by hackers.CarlottaVance said:Yesterday, multiple Russian state media published an extremely shocking, even for Kremlin standards, essay: it presumed "Putin solved the Ukrainian question for ever" - i.e. it presumed Russia took over Ukraine and essentially annexed it into a forever-new--old-union. But...
..this essay was apparently written for a scenario where Russian armed forces had taken over Kyiv and subjugated the country...Which didn't actually happen. So, what did state news agency do? They deleted the article, as if the plan had never been published in the first place.
Ok, one can assume this was just an editorial mistake that was caught early, and the essay did not reflect the State view..EXCEPT.. this same essay was carried on other state-run channels too, like @SputnikInt
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The poll is MRP and fieldwork was done recently.0
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HYUFD is a supporter of right wing autocracy. It is no surprise he is a traitor to Western values.biggles said:
Quisling, cowardly, bollocks. Thank God we didn’t see the world in those terms in 1949 when NATO was founded, or whenever it has expanded.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR1 -
The laser like precision of Putin's actions to expose the irredeemably moronic is quite something.kle4 said:
Wow. Just, wow.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
You actually believe that free nations are not allowed to seek out alliances if they want. You actually buy into the idea that expansion 25 years ago of former USSR areas was wrong. You actually think this is Ukraine's fault for trying to choose its own path.0 -
BoZo and crew have had 3 goes at a policy for refugees and have still fucked it up.
The EU meanwhile is done and dusted4 -
Rubbish. There is nothing quisling about opposing expanding NATO from what began as a defensive organisation to defend western Europe in 1949, which was absolutely right from a UK perspective, to what in Russian eyes has become an aggressive organisation expanding right to the borders of Russia.biggles said:
Quisling, cowardly, bollocks. Thank God we didn’t see the world in those terms in 1949 when NATO was founded, or whenever it has expanded.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
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2002WhisperingOracle said:
I just watched his video from earlier today, and he's definitely blinking and twitching in a slightly new way. Something's up.Benpointer said:
Mrs P thinks he looks like he's got Parkinson's.Leon said:
He really hasn't. He has a new football-shaped faceFoxy said:
Nah, he has always looked like that.Flatlander said:
The rounded face could be either Botox or steroids..WhisperingOracle said:
There could be, but I still don't really understand what's going on with him. He clearly is genuinely changed in some ways and embarked on a mad project to take Kiyiv, for instance, or to refer continually to 1940's history.ydoethur said:
His behaviour at the moment is eerily reminiscent of that of Brezhnev in his last years. Crazy foreign ventures. Threats of nuclear annihilation. Trying to sustain over-ambitious military spending at the expense of his country. Rampaging fraud and corruption in the government. The FSB extremely powerful.Aslan said:
Moscow has had far more crazed nutcases than Putin over the decades and none of them launched nuclear weapons. They know full well Russia would be leveled if it happened. And they know that Russia will indeed "be in the world" if they don't. This is all an attempt to get others to back down. I.e. a bluff.Heathener said:
Hell's bells.Scott_xP said:
Russian state TV: “Our submarines alone can launch more than 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the US and NATO for good measure. The principle is: why do we need the world if Russia won’t be in it?”geoffw said:If Putin has come to the end of the road he might try to take the rest of us with him.
https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1498022807627829250
Someone needs to stop this madman. And fast.
Brezhnev, of course, had dementia, complicated by cardiovascular problems and alcoholism.
There may be more to these rumours about Putin's health.
Yet I wonder what other elements might be performance here, particularly now when he's terrifying the world. Could it be some very strange mixture of elaborately planned theatre and genuine danger and illness, I wonder. We have to take him to a considerable degree at his word when he's making these kinds of threats, ofcourse.
Young Putin was quite cheekboney
2022
20 years older, but he has always looked like that.
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As someone who has suffered from domestic abuse go fuck yourself.Aslan said:
Good riddance to muppets like you that think we must just let Putin do whatever he wants because he would willingly have every city in Russia wiped out in nuclear attacks. You are the people who would argue for battered wives submitting to their abusers to stop them getting hurt.Stereodog said:
I know I don't post much so I won't be missed but I'm quitting this forum for a while because of my anxiety levels. This is in no small part due to idiots like you who insist on trying to talk the world into nuclear war. Before I go let me repeat the minute a British jet comes into contact with a Russian one it's game over. If you want to see the Ukrainian flag fluttering over an irradiated wasteland then that's your affair but I sincerely hope no one in a position of power listens to you.Aslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.7 -
WHY and HOW THE FUCK have YOU become a CORBYN parrot in a fortnight?HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR3 -
PJohnson is perfectly welcome to spew his emasculating brown tongued prostrates to the flabby chested doped up midget in Moscow. And we are perfectly welcome to point out what a pathetically subservient loser it makes him.Mexicanpete said:
One doesn't need fake news. One or two on here even have Ukrainian relatives. It must be difficult to have to see his shit even if one tries not to read it as one scrolls through.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink1 -
This video is an excellent reminder that it is possible to spend much of your career pretending to play the piano with your penis, then inspirationally lead a nation's military resistance against invasion.
It is also just an excellent video of penis-piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_UWafVKjLw&t=107s0 -
This is the first time I am glad Corbyn is not the PM, it is good we now have a Labour leader who will stand up for our defences and for NATO, a proud Labour achievement.1
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If I am on the side that wants to avoid WW3 and nuclear war unlike some of the hotheads on here, then proudly so!BlancheLivermore said:
You're on the wrong side.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR3 -
Don't be too disappointed if VI runs back to Cons. after the events of the last week. A benefit of incumbency under the circumstances.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-the-cabinets-seats-now-at-risk-reveals-new-poll-gtktx2r0w
The poll to which I refer.
Half the cabinet’s seats now at risk, reveals new poll
An election today would result in the Tories losing 164 seats, a survey suggests, and only 9 per cent of us believe PM ‘tells the truth’0 -
HYUFD is not saying anything outrageouskle4 said:
Wow. Just, wow.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
You actually believe that free nations are not allowed to seek out alliances if they want. You actually buy into the idea that expansion 25 years ago of former USSR areas was wrong. You actually think this is Ukraine's fault for trying to choose its own path.
I believe Putin's behaviour towards Ukraine is evil. Satanic. And it risks the peace of the world
But does that mean the West got everything right post 1989 and the Fall of Communism? Of course not. From Iraq to Afghanistan we made terrible errors. And one of those errors might have been an over-hasty expansion of NATO, humiliating a great power - Russia - which was already lying, blooded, in the dust of history
And Russia, thanks to a cruel geography, has always had a sincere fear of being surrounded/denied ice free ports etc
This is not saying Versailles excuses the Holocaust. It is saying we made mistakes and we are not blame-free when it comes to the rise of mad-dog Putin and his weird worldview.
And yet, all that said, we have to deal with Putin as he is now, and he is a lunatic threat that must be put in a box, by any means necessary, up to assassination, I would say6 -
"An election today" - just a bit of fun, then?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-the-cabinets-seats-now-at-risk-reveals-new-poll-gtktx2r0w
The poll to which I refer.
Half the cabinet’s seats now at risk, reveals new poll
An election today would result in the Tories losing 164 seats, a survey suggests, and only 9 per cent of us believe PM ‘tells the truth’
The election will be May 2024. You can take that to the bank.0 -
I would normally agree with this. But a couple of people, notably @rcs1000 have tried to interrogate PJohnson on his / her views, but they just ignore them and carry on posting short, increasingly pro Putin, provocations. There have been many today (30 or 40?), and it is starting to get annoying, from my perspective at least.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink0 -
Gosh.Taz said:https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1497911200692289544?s=21
A member of the Belarusian military speaks to the Belarusian troops.
That man has balls.1 -
But, as HYUFD points out, it’s an out of date poll out of line with other polls. It’s meaningless at the moment. I cannot see why anyone would get excited about it.Mexicanpete said:
Don't be too disappointed if VI runs back to Cons. after the events of the last week. A benefit of incumbency under the circumstances.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-the-cabinets-seats-now-at-risk-reveals-new-poll-gtktx2r0w
The poll to which I refer.
Half the cabinet’s seats now at risk, reveals new poll
An election today would result in the Tories losing 164 seats, a survey suggests, and only 9 per cent of us believe PM ‘tells the truth’1 -
Most EU countries do not require Ukrainians to have a visa (and haven't done for some time), and we can go to Ukraine without one. The home office has to simply waive the visa requirement. No fucking around. Ukrainians are obviously refugees. Their country has been invaded.Scott_xP said:BoZo and crew have had 3 goes at a policy for refugees and have still fucked it up.
The EU meanwhile is done and dusted3 -
I you were Thatcher's son she'd put you up for adoption.HYUFD said:
If I am on the side that wants to avoid WW3 and nuclear war unlike some of the hotheads on here, then proudly so!BlancheLivermore said:
You're on the wrong side.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
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BlancheLivermore said:
WHY and HOW THE FUCK have YOU become a CORBYN parrot in a fortnight?HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
There is a difference between traditional Tory realpolitik from Disraeli on and being a Corbynite.
Unfortunately some on here believe unless we are becoming full on neocons and sending fighter jets into Ukraine to bomb the Russian army, which will in turn lead to war with Russia, which will potentially go nuclear, we are all Corbynite.
Unlike you, I live in the real world!!1 -
Boris Johnson does a lot of strange things, but putting money in a Chechen bank is unlikely to be one of them. https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/14980546984686592000
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So scroll past and do not engage. That's the pointdarkage said:
I would normally agree with this. But a couple of people, notably @rcs1000 have tried to interrogate PJohnson on his / her views, but they just ignore them and carry on posting short, increasingly pro Putin, provocations. There have been many today (30 or 40?), and it is starting to get annoying, from my perspective at least.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink
We should not ban people for opinions we find irritatingly stupid or childishly repetitive, and tediously immune to any debate. There would not be a Scot Nat left on the site, for a start3 -
I always think being a Putin Sock Puppet must be a soul destroying job. At least being part of a Bangladeshi click farm you don't have to actually engage with other posters or part of the elite Israeli cybersecurity teams really very exciting challenging work.
Imagine what it must be like to think you are going back yet again for another 12hr shift having to stick to the script on some obscure Western forum where everybody immediately strikes down your lies.
I don't know how many people have seen the new Apple+ show, Severance, but I imagine it is like that.
Maybe a PB poster could enlighten us more. Do you have social media poster of the month award? What do you win if you are?3 -
It is not really surprising when we have a govt containing a large number of xenophobic, nationalistic, inward-looking, sub-educated tw*ts.Scott_xP said:BoZo and crew have had 3 goes at a policy for refugees and have still fucked it up.
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Of course right-wing conservative HYUFD would support his right-wing conservative hero Putin!HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
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His ego and future with optionsBlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
as a leader
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At this rate, we won't ever get there. Johnson could be PM for eternity.MarqueeMark said:
"An election today" - just a bit of fun, then?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-the-cabinets-seats-now-at-risk-reveals-new-poll-gtktx2r0w
The poll to which I refer.
Half the cabinet’s seats now at risk, reveals new poll
An election today would result in the Tories losing 164 seats, a survey suggests, and only 9 per cent of us believe PM ‘tells the truth’
The election will be May 2024. You can take that to the bank.0 -
Technically correct but somewhat misleadingChameleon said:
Technically everything not currently in Kyiv is outside of Kyiv tbf.StillWaters said:
Outside Kyiv being 60km away?FrancisUrquhart said:Massive Russian convoy seen outside Kyiv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gDmMVzjIVw0 -
Well exceedingly few are us are fit to deal with international crises from birth, so I don’t really think that’s much of a problem.eek said:In the latest attempts by Russian trolls we have
zerohedge
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Former White House Physician Says Biden Is Not Cognitively Fit To Deal With Russia Crisis0 -
I found this encouraging:WhisperingOracle said:
There's something going on with Lukashenko too. He seems to have been critical to the arranging the meeting today, and his form of words for the threat was quite odd.Taz said:https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1497911200692289544?s=21
A member of the Belarusian military speaks to the Belarusian troops.
"We have to be very careful, because nuclear war could be the end of everything." That could be interpreted as a direct threat to Putin and the regime, prophesying its end, as much as anything else, and for a hardman his face looked terrified.
Protesters in Minsk have encircled the building of the General Staff of the Defence Ministry of Belarus and are chanting "Glory to Ukraine!" https://t.co/caj03prp7N
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1497940480578969604?t=GlM3Kp7uA1JbR9UySHl5Iw&s=19
And Lukashenko knows how many of his people support the Belarus government in exile. Even more than Putin, he is at risk of a Ceaucescu moment.3 -
The joy of it is that if he/she really is being paid to post this shit, it’s not working. PB might be populated by a collection of weird, obsessive, politics and gambling fixated weirdos, but we know bullshit when we see it.Aslan said:
PJohnson is perfectly welcome to spew his emasculating brown tongued prostrates to the flabby chested doped up midget in Moscow. And we are perfectly welcome to point out what a pathetically subservient loser it makes him.Mexicanpete said:
One doesn't need fake news. One or two on here even have Ukrainian relatives. It must be difficult to have to see his shit even if one tries not to read it as one scrolls through.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink
And to be honest some othe posters have been a lot ruder and more antogonitstic tonight. I think people are stressed, but let’s try not to take it out on each other.
“Why can’t we all just get along...”2 -
Yes, his face shape has changed in a way similar to my uncle's, who had a variant of Parkinson's.Benpointer said:
Mrs P thinks he looks like he's got Parkinson's.Leon said:
He really hasn't. He has a new football-shaped faceFoxy said:
Nah, he has always looked like that.Flatlander said:
The rounded face could be either Botox or steroids..WhisperingOracle said:
There could be, but I still don't really understand what's going on with him. He clearly is genuinely changed in some ways and embarked on a mad project to take Kiyiv, for instance, or to refer continually to 1940's history.ydoethur said:
His behaviour at the moment is eerily reminiscent of that of Brezhnev in his last years. Crazy foreign ventures. Threats of nuclear annihilation. Trying to sustain over-ambitious military spending at the expense of his country. Rampaging fraud and corruption in the government. The FSB extremely powerful.Aslan said:
Moscow has had far more crazed nutcases than Putin over the decades and none of them launched nuclear weapons. They know full well Russia would be leveled if it happened. And they know that Russia will indeed "be in the world" if they don't. This is all an attempt to get others to back down. I.e. a bluff.Heathener said:
Hell's bells.Scott_xP said:
Russian state TV: “Our submarines alone can launch more than 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the US and NATO for good measure. The principle is: why do we need the world if Russia won’t be in it?”geoffw said:If Putin has come to the end of the road he might try to take the rest of us with him.
https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1498022807627829250
Someone needs to stop this madman. And fast.
Brezhnev, of course, had dementia, complicated by cardiovascular problems and alcoholism.
There may be more to these rumours about Putin's health.
Yet I wonder what other elements might be performance here, particularly now when he's terrifying the world. Could it be some very strange mixture of elaborately planned theatre and genuine danger and illness, I wonder. We have to take him to a considerable degree at his word when he's making these kinds of threats, ofcourse.
Young Putin was quite cheekboney0 -
You need to quote that tweet..Scott_xP said:Boris Johnson does a lot of strange things, but putting money in a Chechen bank is unlikely to be one of them. https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1498054698468659200
BREAKING: Chechnya's Kadyrov says he will impose sanctions, including freezing Boris Johnson's assets in Chechen banks and stating 'there is no English tea', according to Russian media.1 -
An optimistic but I feel plausible scenario is demoralisation and mutiny spreads in the Russian armed forces and in the police, middle ranking officers join in and the senior staff find a way to remove Putin.0
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Utterly amazing and emotionalCarlottaVance said:Boris Johnson receives emotional standing ovation from Ukrainian Cathedral in Mayfair for his Russia speech - WATCH
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/boris-johnson-receives-emotional-standing-ovation-from-ukrainian-cathedral-in-mayfair-for-his-russia-speech-watch/2359422 -
What's 'Putin's cuck' or is it a typo?Aslan said:
Oh look PB's relevant Putin cuck.PJohnson said:
Putin is waiting for the right moment to attack Kiev and is doing well in the south of ukraineAslan said:Russian police are starting to lose control of antiwar protests back home:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t2pwhd/russian_protestors_starting_to_protect_each_other/
Meanwhile Kharkiv and Kyiv still in Ukrainian hands. Russian stockmarket looks to melt down on Monday. Putin is really in danger of the whole thing backfiring. An intervention by a major Western power - say the RAF enforcing a no-fly zone - could really make the difference between a Russian Ukraine and the end of Putin.
Our policy makers should think about how Putin murdered British citizens on British soil and how now is their chance to ensure appropriate consequences.0 -
Can I put you down as a maybe then Mrs C?Beibheirli_C said:
It is not really surprising when we have a govt containing a large number of xenophobic, nationalistic, inward-looking, sub-educated tw*ts.Scott_xP said:BoZo and crew have had 3 goes at a policy for refugees and have still fucked it up.
The EU meanwhile is done and dusted0 -
But I've not seen him twitching and blinking fast like that before. It wasn't so much the face but the movements, which also look suppressed by something, I would say. As a medical man you might find the video of interest - I would be interested to hear what you think, too.Foxy said:
2002WhisperingOracle said:
I just watched his video from earlier today, and he's definitely blinking and twitching in a slightly new way. Something's up.Benpointer said:
Mrs P thinks he looks like he's got Parkinson's.Leon said:
He really hasn't. He has a new football-shaped faceFoxy said:
Nah, he has always looked like that.Flatlander said:
The rounded face could be either Botox or steroids..WhisperingOracle said:
There could be, but I still don't really understand what's going on with him. He clearly is genuinely changed in some ways and embarked on a mad project to take Kiyiv, for instance, or to refer continually to 1940's history.ydoethur said:
His behaviour at the moment is eerily reminiscent of that of Brezhnev in his last years. Crazy foreign ventures. Threats of nuclear annihilation. Trying to sustain over-ambitious military spending at the expense of his country. Rampaging fraud and corruption in the government. The FSB extremely powerful.Aslan said:
Moscow has had far more crazed nutcases than Putin over the decades and none of them launched nuclear weapons. They know full well Russia would be leveled if it happened. And they know that Russia will indeed "be in the world" if they don't. This is all an attempt to get others to back down. I.e. a bluff.Heathener said:
Hell's bells.Scott_xP said:
Russian state TV: “Our submarines alone can launch more than 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the US and NATO for good measure. The principle is: why do we need the world if Russia won’t be in it?”geoffw said:If Putin has come to the end of the road he might try to take the rest of us with him.
https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1498022807627829250
Someone needs to stop this madman. And fast.
Brezhnev, of course, had dementia, complicated by cardiovascular problems and alcoholism.
There may be more to these rumours about Putin's health.
Yet I wonder what other elements might be performance here, particularly now when he's terrifying the world. Could it be some very strange mixture of elaborately planned theatre and genuine danger and illness, I wonder. We have to take him to a considerable degree at his word when he's making these kinds of threats, ofcourse.
Young Putin was quite cheekboney
2022
20 years older, but he has always looked like that.0 -
Agree strongly. It's a bit like when Plato went off the rails. I didn't like what she posted, but (usually) it didn't break the rules and through her I found QAnon stuff before most of the world did which was an education.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink0 -
It is clear from the behaviour of Putin that all the refusal to expand NATO beyond East Germany would've achieved would be to allow him to rebuild both the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, by coercion and actual force.Leon said:
HYUFD is not saying anything outrageouskle4 said:
Wow. Just, wow.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
You actually believe that free nations are not allowed to seek out alliances if they want. You actually buy into the idea that expansion 25 years ago of former USSR areas was wrong. You actually think this is Ukraine's fault for trying to choose its own path.
I believe Putin's behaviour towards Ukraine is evil. Satanic. And it risks the peace of the world
But does that mean the West got everything right post 1989 and the Fall of Communism? Of course not. From Iraq to Afghanistan we made terrible errors. And one of those errors might have been an over-hasty expansion of NATO, humiliating a great power - Russia - which was already lying, blooded, in the dust of history
And Russia, thanks to a cruel geography, has always had a sincere fear of being surrounded/denied ice free ports etc
This is not saying Versailles excuses the Holocaust. It is saying we made mistakes and we are not blame-free when it comes to the rise of mad-dog Putin and his weird worldview.
And yet, all that said, we have to deal with Putin as he is now, and he is a lunatic threat that must be put in a box, by any means necessary, up to assassination, I would say
We've now been under more-or-less continuous threat of dying a horrible death from these people for 70 years now. Putin is evil and so is Russia.0 -
This is not news. He's a GOP congressman, prominent Trumpist, (also with a dubious back history involving copious amounts of alcohol).eek said:In the latest attempts by Russian trolls we have
zerohedge
@zerohedge
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Former White House Physician Says Biden Is Not Cognitively Fit To Deal With Russia Crisis
Believe me, this is not Russian trolls. This is what's actually happening within the modern Republican party.
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It is also quite revealing just how illogical and incoherent the argument is.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink
The Russians just simply don't seem to have agreed a defensible line.
So now it's become just surrender to save lives.1 -
You can ignore everything before the 'but'
Classic PB advice, very frequently applicable.1 -
I definitely think that the Russians should surrender.kle4 said:
Wouldn't a halt to invasion save even more lives?PJohnson said:
Which is why Ukraine should think about surrendering now and enter negotiations...many lives will be savedLeon said:
Thermobaric bombs is the best guessBigRich said:
gosh!!williamglenn said:Looks like an absolutely massive explosion in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498037904496418817
Have they exploded and oil/gas storage or is that one of those very big bombs, that somebody was talking about yesterday?
Either a similar bomb or the same explosion from a different angle. Ginormous
https://twitter.com/mutahmett/status/1498022991724261385?s=20&t=5VRcrjSE8-1FHaY1x0FR0Q
Putin has doubled down. He is going to Grozny Ukraine into submission. Hideous. Many thousands will die
If you would otherwise claim that because of its concerns Russia shouldn't halt its attacks you are saying there are situations it is ok to kill others. Apparently, self defence is not one of them.
You're not even trying.3 -
In Parkinson's blinking is reduced. Unless the sufferer over compensates by over blinking, often to help with reading.Foxy said:
2002WhisperingOracle said:
I just watched his video from earlier today, and he's definitely blinking and twitching in a slightly new way. Something's up.Benpointer said:
Mrs P thinks he looks like he's got Parkinson's.Leon said:
He really hasn't. He has a new football-shaped faceFoxy said:
Nah, he has always looked like that.Flatlander said:
The rounded face could be either Botox or steroids..WhisperingOracle said:
There could be, but I still don't really understand what's going on with him. He clearly is genuinely changed in some ways and embarked on a mad project to take Kiyiv, for instance, or to refer continually to 1940's history.ydoethur said:
His behaviour at the moment is eerily reminiscent of that of Brezhnev in his last years. Crazy foreign ventures. Threats of nuclear annihilation. Trying to sustain over-ambitious military spending at the expense of his country. Rampaging fraud and corruption in the government. The FSB extremely powerful.Aslan said:
Moscow has had far more crazed nutcases than Putin over the decades and none of them launched nuclear weapons. They know full well Russia would be leveled if it happened. And they know that Russia will indeed "be in the world" if they don't. This is all an attempt to get others to back down. I.e. a bluff.Heathener said:
Hell's bells.Scott_xP said:
Russian state TV: “Our submarines alone can launch more than 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the US and NATO for good measure. The principle is: why do we need the world if Russia won’t be in it?”geoffw said:If Putin has come to the end of the road he might try to take the rest of us with him.
https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1498022807627829250
Someone needs to stop this madman. And fast.
Brezhnev, of course, had dementia, complicated by cardiovascular problems and alcoholism.
There may be more to these rumours about Putin's health.
Yet I wonder what other elements might be performance here, particularly now when he's terrifying the world. Could it be some very strange mixture of elaborately planned theatre and genuine danger and illness, I wonder. We have to take him to a considerable degree at his word when he's making these kinds of threats, ofcourse.
Young Putin was quite cheekboney
2022
20 years older, but he has always looked like that.0 -
If you are representative of the Tory Party in 2022, you can all go to hell.HYUFD said:Rubbish. There is nothing quisling about opposing expanding NATO from what began as a defensive organisation to defend western Europe in 1949, which was absolutely right from a UK perspective, to what in Russian eyes has become an aggressive organisation expanding right to the borders of Russia.
It was always asking for trouble
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Belarus government in exile is the world's longest serving. Since 1919!Foxy said:
I found this encouraging:WhisperingOracle said:
There's something going on with Lukashenko too. He seems to have been critical to the arranging the meeting today, and his form of words for the threat was quite odd.Taz said:https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1497911200692289544?s=21
A member of the Belarusian military speaks to the Belarusian troops.
"We have to be very careful, because nuclear war could be the end of everything." That could be interpreted as a direct threat to Putin and the regime, prophesying its end, as much as anything else, and for a hardman his face looked terrified.
Protesters in Minsk have encircled the building of the General Staff of the Defence Ministry of Belarus and are chanting "Glory to Ukraine!" https://t.co/caj03prp7N
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1497940480578969604?t=GlM3Kp7uA1JbR9UySHl5Iw&s=19
And Lukashenko knows how many of his people support the Belarus government in exile. Even more than Putin, he is at risk of a Ceaucescu moment.0 -
“Yes sir, mr Putin sir. Where would you like our security boundary sir? Yes, absolutely you can dominate your neighbours and we will let you carry on”.HYUFD said:
Rubbish. There is nothing quisling about opposing expanding NATO from what began as a defensive organisation to defend western Europe in 1949, which was absolutely right from a UK perspective, to what in Russian eyes has become an aggressive organisation expanding right to the borders of Russia.biggles said:
Quisling, cowardly, bollocks. Thank God we didn’t see the world in those terms in 1949 when NATO was founded, or whenever it has expanded.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
It was always asking for trouble
That’s basically your policy. It’s not humane. It’s not British.
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Even Thatcher knew the importance of engaging with Gorbachev not provoking the USSR unnecessarily, that is how the Cold War ended.BlancheLivermore said:
I you were Thatcher's son she'd put you up for adoption.HYUFD said:
If I am on the side that wants to avoid WW3 and nuclear war unlike some of the hotheads on here, then proudly so!BlancheLivermore said:
You're on the wrong side.HYUFD said:
Had Ukraine not tried to join NATO Putin would likely not have invaded it in the first place.BlancheLivermore said:Do some people really think that the difference between Putin deciding to destroy the world or not is really going to come down to the technicalities of NATO membership?
NATO should not have tried to absorb the old nations of the USSR
Thatcher also famously opposed a reunited Germany as she believed it would be too powerful and agreed to hand back Hong Kong as per our lease as she knew we could never defend it from China.
Thatcher was not a hothead, she engaged in realpolitik as much as any rational leader2 -
Nor a flint-knapper! ;-)Leon said:
So scroll past and do not engage. That's the pointdarkage said:
I would normally agree with this. But a couple of people, notably @rcs1000 have tried to interrogate PJohnson on his / her views, but they just ignore them and carry on posting short, increasingly pro Putin, provocations. There have been many today (30 or 40?), and it is starting to get annoying, from my perspective at least.Leon said:
@PJohnson has not said anything libellous, or horribly racist, or grotesquely violent towards another poster. He (she?) has not doxxed anyone or broken any other crucial ruleBig_G_NorthWales said:
I really am concerned that this poster is a malign influence on the site but then that is a matter for othersFarooq said:
You are shilling for a fascist.PJohnson said:
Lol mate I'm just trying to be realistic but my views don't seem to be welcomeLuckyguy1983 said:
Wouldn't look for one on PB to be honest. Most here are crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war. Virtual dogs mind, I don't think anyone's joined the legion. But they are doing their bit by getting jolly cross and socking it to that PJohnson character in no uncertain terms.Jonathan said:Someone, somewhere needs to find a way to stop escalating this. Is there anyone with a cool head?
Let him speak. That is the point of PB. It is actually interesting to hear a quasi-pro-Putin opinion, when we are all so united against Russia. You need the contrary argument to avoid bubblethink
We should not ban people for opinions we find irritatingly stupid or childishly repetitive, and tediously immune to any debate. There would not be a Scot Nat left on the site, for a start
I agree with you btw.0 -
Interesting..rottenborough said:
In Parkinson's blinking is reduced. Unless the sufferer over compensates by over blinking, often to help with reading.Foxy said:
2002WhisperingOracle said:
I just watched his video from earlier today, and he's definitely blinking and twitching in a slightly new way. Something's up.Benpointer said:
Mrs P thinks he looks like he's got Parkinson's.Leon said:
He really hasn't. He has a new football-shaped faceFoxy said:
Nah, he has always looked like that.Flatlander said:
The rounded face could be either Botox or steroids..WhisperingOracle said:
There could be, but I still don't really understand what's going on with him. He clearly is genuinely changed in some ways and embarked on a mad project to take Kiyiv, for instance, or to refer continually to 1940's history.ydoethur said:
His behaviour at the moment is eerily reminiscent of that of Brezhnev in his last years. Crazy foreign ventures. Threats of nuclear annihilation. Trying to sustain over-ambitious military spending at the expense of his country. Rampaging fraud and corruption in the government. The FSB extremely powerful.Aslan said:
Moscow has had far more crazed nutcases than Putin over the decades and none of them launched nuclear weapons. They know full well Russia would be leveled if it happened. And they know that Russia will indeed "be in the world" if they don't. This is all an attempt to get others to back down. I.e. a bluff.Heathener said:
Hell's bells.Scott_xP said:
Russian state TV: “Our submarines alone can launch more than 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the US and NATO for good measure. The principle is: why do we need the world if Russia won’t be in it?”geoffw said:If Putin has come to the end of the road he might try to take the rest of us with him.
https://twitter.com/ilya_shepelin/status/1498022807627829250
Someone needs to stop this madman. And fast.
Brezhnev, of course, had dementia, complicated by cardiovascular problems and alcoholism.
There may be more to these rumours about Putin's health.
Yet I wonder what other elements might be performance here, particularly now when he's terrifying the world. Could it be some very strange mixture of elaborately planned theatre and genuine danger and illness, I wonder. We have to take him to a considerable degree at his word when he's making these kinds of threats, ofcourse.
Young Putin was quite cheekboney
2022
20 years older, but he has always looked like that.0 -
A three-mile column of Russian troops and tanks have been seen "moving towards Kyiv" in satellite imagery taken on Sunday.
The images released by Maxar Technologies, a space technology company, showed a large deployment of Russian ground troops moving in the direction of the Ukrainian capital from approximately 40 miles (64 km) away.
Telegraph.
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Meanwhile, tomorrow RU banks will collapse.
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Interesting how "true conservatives" at C-PAC and "true Tories" on PB are united in either praising Putin with faint damn, or not damning him at all.
AND proclaiming (on cue?) that the invasion is NOT fault of Putin, but rather Joe Biden and/or the Ukrainians.
Meaning the Dog of War must be . . . wait for it . . . Hunter Biden!
Jesus wept.0 -
Is anyone is running a market on armageddon before a GE or New PM? If so, what is the value bet?Benpointer said:
At this rate, we won't ever get there. Johnson could be PM for eternity.MarqueeMark said:
"An election today" - just a bit of fun, then?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-the-cabinets-seats-now-at-risk-reveals-new-poll-gtktx2r0w
The poll to which I refer.
Half the cabinet’s seats now at risk, reveals new poll
An election today would result in the Tories losing 164 seats, a survey suggests, and only 9 per cent of us believe PM ‘tells the truth’
The election will be May 2024. You can take that to the bank.0 -
Interesting thread:
Why Russia will lose this war?
Much of the "realist" discourse is about accepting Putin's victory, cuz it's *guaranteed*. But how do we know it is?
I'll argue that analysts 1) overrate Russian army 2) underrate Ukrainian one 3) misunderstand Russian strategy & political goals🧵
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1497993363076915204?s=201
