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  • Liam Fox refuses to say he has confidence in the prime minister.

    If he loses the bampots, Johnson’s had it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,958

    Liam Fox refuses to say he has confidence in the prime minister.

    If he loses the bampots, Johnson’s had it.

    Go Nads on the morning round :)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    Liam Fox refuses to say he has confidence in the prime minister.

    If he loses the bampots, Johnson’s had it.

    He's already lost David Davis and Nick Gibb, how much more 'bampot' can you get than that?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340
    Oh and Justin Langer has quit as Aussie coach.

    Slightly ironic that Silverwood *and* Langer have both been sacked (de facto in Langer's case) over the Ashes series. One for losing it, and one for winning it in a way his captain seems to disapprove of.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040

    One advantage of a General Amnesty, is that is it purely an act of mercy. With zero reference to particulars of any particular case.

    Great anniversaries are also great opportunities for welcoming back prodigals and similar back into the fold.

    Just saying.

    Yes, but if we have a general amnesty, then we have to readmit @Byronic, and I'm just not ready for that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040
    dixiedean said:

    The "has David Herdson been hacked?" thread when he called NOM the weekend before 2017.

    One of the greatest calls in PB history... and all the better for how much it was rubbished.
  • The betting is very close in the Calcutta Cup match: both hovering about EVS (but no arb).

    A former centre/winger, I lost interest in rugby well over 3 decades ago, but better informed people can probably help: is that not highly unusual? Are the English not usually very clear FAV?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Glad that @MrEd is back.
    I've followed this website since early 2015/2016. It's actually my main source of news.
    I do remember over the years that the comments sometimes have a tendency to lean in a certain direction - at one point they swayed heavily in favour of Brexit, and more recently there is a dislike of Johnson. The danger is always that it becomes an echo chamber, but that hasn't ever actually happened, the balance always returns.
    Congratulations on the 18 years - a brilliant achievement - and lets all hope it keeps going.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,404
    edited February 2022

    The betting is very close in the Calcutta Cup match: both hovering about EVS (but no arb).

    A former centre/winger, I lost interest in rugby well over 3 decades ago, but better informed people can probably help: is that not highly unusual? Are the English not usually very clear FAV?

    I can understand the reasons for the rule changes, but IMHO they've slowed the game down too much.
    Prefer the League version these days, although I was amused to hear the RFL's CEO talking about co-operation between the two codes in an interview the other day. When I was a lad they were were at daggers drawn.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    The betting is very close in the Calcutta Cup match: both hovering about EVS (but no arb).

    A former centre/winger, I lost interest in rugby well over 3 decades ago, but better informed people can probably help: is that not highly unusual? Are the English not usually very clear FAV?

    They are. But the Scots are much improved. Still think England will take them, mind.
  • Mr. L, the odds were good, but not amazing, but one of my favourite betting moments was tipping Perez to be top 6 at a certain race at surprisingly good odds.

    I subsequently discovered he had a grid penalty... but the bet came off anyway :)
  • ydoethur said:

    Liam Fox refuses to say he has confidence in the prime minister.

    If he loses the bampots, Johnson’s had it.

    He's already lost David Davis and Nick Gibb, how much more 'bampot' can you get than that?
    Fair comment.

    Fox is a pet hate of mine. However, shortly after refusing the invitation to express confidence in the prime minister, he received a strong puff piece on his Down’s syndrome legislation. So, not as evil as my distorted brain likes to categorise him. (The Treasury is going to hate it.)

    Baxter gives Fox a 70% chance of holding North Somerset (caricature: “Kind Yuppies”?!?), on the new boundaries.
  • darkage said:

    Glad that @MrEd is back.
    I've followed this website since early 2015/2016. It's actually my main source of news.
    I do remember over the years that the comments sometimes have a tendency to lean in a certain direction - at one point they swayed heavily in favour of Brexit, and more recently there is a dislike of Johnson. The danger is always that it becomes an echo chamber, but that hasn't ever actually happened, the balance always returns.
    Congratulations on the 18 years - a brilliant achievement - and lets all hope it keeps going.

    Mr Ed is mediocre, at best. I’ve seen hundreds, probably thousands, of members of the Herd over the years. Mr Ed is definitely in the bottom 20% of the genre.

    Comes across as a blind sycophant, in his twenties, in the employment of the Conservative Party; never had a proper job. Girlfriend never reaches orgasm while he’s in the room.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040
    darkage said:

    Glad that @MrEd is back.
    I've followed this website since early 2015/2016. It's actually my main source of news.
    I do remember over the years that the comments sometimes have a tendency to lean in a certain direction - at one point they swayed heavily in favour of Brexit, and more recently there is a dislike of Johnson. The danger is always that it becomes an echo chamber, but that hasn't ever actually happened, the balance always returns.
    Congratulations on the 18 years - a brilliant achievement - and lets all hope it keeps going.

    I think quite a lot of us like Johnson because he got us out of the endless cycle of 'Brexit but not this Brexit', and well... got Brexit done.

    But just as Dr Crippen occasionally administered the correct antibiotic, we've come to realise that this - on its own - is not enough.

    Maybe I dream too much, but I'd quite like a PM with at least a passing acquaintance with the truth.
  • Happy birthday, PB, and well done to Mike, Rob, and latterly all the header contributors who have made this site with visiting.
    Can't remember exactly when I came across the site, but it was early on when there weren't many comments below the line on most days. Haven't really contributed s huge amount because the comment system doesn't make it easy to have sensible discussions without them getting lost in the blizzard of banter, but still enjoy reading every day.
  • Roger said:

    Eabhal said:

    In 'other media" news, Starmer's speech on the Sue Gray report now has a startling 1.5 million views (politicsJOE). It's described as "extraordinary oratory" in the title.

    As I've said before, I think 90% of public opinion for people my age is derived from BBC News app push notifications. They have been plentiful during this farce.

    I just checked PoliticsJoe and I came across an interview with a very nice ex colleague of Johnson's. She hates him but she's a very entertaining interviewee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjQUIzo2Ze4
    She's his biographer. I read her biography of him years ago and strongly recommend it. As a result I have never been taken in by him. He is a very dangerous man.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720

    Liam Fox refuses to say he has confidence in the prime minister.

    If he loses the bampots, Johnson’s had it.

    Though Liam Fox backed Hunt over Boris even in 2019
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040

    ydoethur said:

    Liam Fox refuses to say he has confidence in the prime minister.

    If he loses the bampots, Johnson’s had it.

    He's already lost David Davis and Nick Gibb, how much more 'bampot' can you get than that?
    Fair comment.

    Fox is a pet hate of mine. However, shortly after refusing the invitation to express confidence in the prime minister, he received a strong puff piece on his Down’s syndrome legislation. So, not as evil as my distorted brain likes to categorise him. (The Treasury is going to hate it.)

    Baxter gives Fox a 70% chance of holding North Somerset (caricature: “Kind Yuppies”?!?), on the new boundaries.
    Like many humans beings, Fox is complex.

    He was overpromoted, and dreadful at International Trade.

    But he's not a bad human being. And he is compassionate and (occasionally) thoughtful.

    He would have been best as a backbencher who never got a chance to prove his worth.
  • rcs1000 said:

    I am very much looking forward to this and hope to be able to make it. I have been a part of this site since the very earliest days and a regular contributor both below and (later) above the line. Although in recent times I have returned to lurking for fairly obvious reasons.

    Congratulations to Mike and Robert on the anniversary and thanks to everyone who helps make this site what it is.

    And thank you to everyone who has posted kind words about me in recent months.

    I understand: the last thing you would want would be for people to know your true feelings about Boris Johnson to be known.
    He made a fine contribution at that PMQs. Moving, robust, devastating.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040
    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040
    rcs1000 said:

    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.

    And... If he'd memorized the speech, rather than reading it, he could have managed a 9/10 rather than a 6/10.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720
    edited February 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.

    He is no Obama or Blair no, he is no Ed Miliband or Corbyn either agreed.

    He is a UK Francois Hollande, dull as ditchwater and with no real vision but might be able to win 1 election as the more charismatic conservative incumbent and his government have become unpopular after a long period in power. Hollande however did not run for re election and was succeeded by the more dynamic Macron
  • rcs1000 said:

    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.

    I concur. However, there is something a wee bit whiney and annoying in his tone of voice. Can’t quite put my finger on it, but I wonder if that’s why he’s at -10 in the Scottish net favourability table? He can sound like a know-it-all twat, which is likely to become worse as he becomes electorally successful, which is now inevitable.

    But he’ll never be remotely as irritating as the Unflushable Turd (-62).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.

    He is no Obama or Blair no, he is no Ed Miliband or Corbyn either.

    He is a UK Francois Hollande, dull as ditchwater and with no real vision but might be able to win 1 election as the more charismatic incumbent and his government have become more unpopular after a long period in power. Hollande however did not run for re election and was succeeded by the more dynamic Macron
    Ed Milliband and Hollande are the better compare, no?

    No great achievements outside politics. Narrow left of their party factional winner.
  • The final update from Flo on the comparison of vaccination rates between France & England - France is changing what counts as "fully vaccinated" so the numbers are becoming increasingly difficult to compare accurately:



    So here is the last frame of the animation, and the last update of this figure.

    And many thanks to @VictimOfMaths & @PaulMainwood for inspiration and discussions.


    https://twitter.com/flodebarre/status/1489683010140131334?s=20&t=mUDFtkgD_8EXRxsvwebWxA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,720
    edited February 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.

    He is no Obama or Blair no, he is no Ed Miliband or Corbyn either.

    He is a UK Francois Hollande, dull as ditchwater and with no real vision but might be able to win 1 election as the more charismatic incumbent and his government have become more unpopular after a long period in power. Hollande however did not run for re election and was succeeded by the more dynamic Macron
    Ed Milliband and Hollande are the better compare, no?

    No great achievements outside politics. Narrow left of their party factional winner.
    No, Ed Miliband was always seen as a weird geek like Hague and also got the job after their party had just lost power.

    Starmer like Hollande has more stature and both took over as leader of the main left of centre party after a long period in opposition. Hollande also was the more moderate of the 2 Socialist primary candidates in 2011, Aubry was the leftwinger
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,040

    The final update from Flo on the comparison of vaccination rates between France & England - France is changing what counts as "fully vaccinated" so the numbers are becoming increasingly difficult to compare accurately:



    So here is the last frame of the animation, and the last update of this figure.

    And many thanks to @VictimOfMaths & @PaulMainwood for inspiration and discussions.


    https://twitter.com/flodebarre/status/1489683010140131334?s=20&t=mUDFtkgD_8EXRxsvwebWxA

    TBF, we're guilty of that too for younger cohorts, where we said a single dose was fine.

    My personal view is that the zero (no vaccine) number is they key.
  • After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    Cummings yet again retconning his past.

    Honestly, he has even less shame than he has sense.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited February 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    The final update from Flo on the comparison of vaccination rates between France & England - France is changing what counts as "fully vaccinated" so the numbers are becoming increasingly difficult to compare accurately:



    So here is the last frame of the animation, and the last update of this figure.

    And many thanks to @VictimOfMaths & @PaulMainwood for inspiration and discussions.


    https://twitter.com/flodebarre/status/1489683010140131334?s=20&t=mUDFtkgD_8EXRxsvwebWxA

    TBF, we're guilty of that too for younger cohorts, where we said a single dose was fine.

    My personal view is that the zero (no vaccine) number is they key.
    Different approaches.

    England counts a single dose as a single dose.

    France counts two doses plus infection as three doses.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    rcs1000 said:

    The final update from Flo on the comparison of vaccination rates between France & England - France is changing what counts as "fully vaccinated" so the numbers are becoming increasingly difficult to compare accurately:



    So here is the last frame of the animation, and the last update of this figure.

    And many thanks to @VictimOfMaths & @PaulMainwood for inspiration and discussions.


    https://twitter.com/flodebarre/status/1489683010140131334?s=20&t=mUDFtkgD_8EXRxsvwebWxA

    TBF, we're guilty of that too for younger cohorts, where we said a single dose was fine.

    My personal view is that the zero (no vaccine) number is they key.
    Different approaches.

    England counts a single dose as a single dose.

    France counts two doses plus infection as three doses.
    I was puzzled by that chart until you explained that.
  • After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    One of Maggie’s biggest assets was Denis.

    Johnson’s very public failure to be monogamous is his Achilles’ heel.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.

    And... If he'd memorized the speech, rather than reading it, he could have managed a 9/10 rather than a 6/10.
    Agreed, that speech changed my opinion of him. And I suspect Johnson realised what he’d just witnessed, which was what rattled him into the ill fated Savile jibe.
  • RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This gives new meaning to the phrase "cunning plan".

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1489707173596831752

    "@SebastianEPayne
    NEW: PM's loyalists have "safety mechanism" on no confidence letters:

    "5 or 10 of the letters are submitted by loyalists. When Brady hits the magic number, he calls around everyone to ask if they wish to withdraw. At that point, we know we’re in trouble""

    Does he have to call round? A signed letter seems as good a signal of intent as any.....
    Yeah, I've seen this mentioned before. Letters stand until they are rescinded, so it makes sense to check.
    Glad Brady is taking it seriously. If the Johnsonian's are playing with the process its a slimy way to treat the rules of their party.
    When has Boris Johnson ever shown any respect for rules? He lied to the monarch, and was eager to break his own Covid rules and expose her to Covid infection.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,353

    biography of Boris Johnson's wife by Tory peer Lord Ashcroft says 'mesmerised and lonely' PM is surrounded by HER friends and she 'used his mobile to direct events'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478351/Carrie-Johnson-blamed-Downing-Street-chaos-Tory-peers-bombshell-book.html

    I can believe he’s lonely.
    I think he is very lonely, week and unfit for office

    He's always been lonely.

    That's part of the tragedy of it all.

    And needs to be liked
    Well he's comprehensively failing on that metric these days.

    Having spent one's life conniving and backstabbing, it should come as scant surprise to him when the chickens come home to roost. What goes around comes around.

    Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This gives new meaning to the phrase "cunning plan".

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1489707173596831752

    "@SebastianEPayne
    NEW: PM's loyalists have "safety mechanism" on no confidence letters:

    "5 or 10 of the letters are submitted by loyalists. When Brady hits the magic number, he calls around everyone to ask if they wish to withdraw. At that point, we know we’re in trouble""

    Does he have to call round? A signed letter seems as good a signal of intent as any.....
    Yeah, I've seen this mentioned before. Letters stand until they are rescinded, so it makes sense to check.
    Glad Brady is taking it seriously. If the Johnsonian's are playing with the process its a slimy way to treat the rules of their party.
    When has Boris Johnson ever shown any respect for rules? He lied to the monarch, and was eager to break his own Covid rules and expose her to Covid infection.
    He lies to everyone. Starting with his godfather who gave him his first job.

    It's worth remembering Boris Johnson and Johann Hari are guilty of much the same offence. One was disgraced and now writes fictional self-help books he tries to pass off as fact while working a series of jobs to make ends meet. And Johnson's future career may be similar...
  • Mr. Doethur, I suspect not. He's an entertaining clown and will be well-remunerated, I would expect.

    It's not what he deserves, of course, but such is life.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    Mr. Doethur, I suspect not. He's an entertaining clown and will be well-remunerated, I would expect.

    It's not what he deserves, of course, but such is life.

    Possibly, but I don't think he'll manage it in the UK. He may have to go to the country of his birth to make money, like his fellow right wing liar and shill David Irving.

    And good riddance if he does.
  • Telegraph now pretty much writing obituaries to Johnson's time in office.

    Even his "ultimate boss" knows this is over.

  • After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    One of Maggie’s biggest assets was Denis.

    Johnson’s very public failure to be monogamous is his Achilles’ heel.
    Would he chuck his wife and young children out on the streets in order to say his premiership?

    I leave that question as an exercise for the reader.
  • Car-crash interview by Nadine Dorries this morning. If she's the best Downing Street can put up it's over.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    I've loved it when PBers over the years have made extraordinary efforts to get more attention for the site. Special mention on this must go to Martin Coxall who in 2010 got himself arrested by knocking over an old lady just to get into the papers.

    Long enough ago that the Daily Mail report had to explain what Twitter was! How venerable we are...

    He appears to be Head of Marketing for the Bitcoin Association now.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,958
    I think we are fast approaching the point where responsible media outlets should turn down / not bid for interviews with the Secretary of State for Media Sport, Nadine Dorries. https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1489871675609030656
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,738

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    One of Maggie’s biggest assets was Denis.

    Johnson’s very public failure to be monogamous is his Achilles’ heel.
    Would he chuck his wife and young children out on the streets in order to say his premiership?

    I leave that question as an exercise for the reader.
    I get the feeling that some people are deliberately orchestrating a campaign to force him to try precisely that (to try and create a vacuum to fill, or to discredit him in the public eye, I am not sure). Or at least to get him out of No 10 if he remains loyal.

    The Graun had a piece last night - not so much an attack on her but a more detached assessment of the anti-Mrs Johnson campaigning. The ending in particular is pro-Mrs Johnson.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/04/carrie-boris-johnson-pm-wife-downing-street
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340
    Scott_xP said:

    I think we are fast approaching the point where responsible media outlets should turn down / not bid for interviews with the Secretary of State for Media Sport, Nadine Dorries. https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1489871675609030656

    Really? I would have thought the sheer comedy value would be making them up their offers.
  • Car-crash interview by Nadine Dorries this morning. If she's the best Downing Street can put up it's over.

    For those who missed it, here’s some of Nadine Dorries on #BBCBreakfast just now:

    https://twitter.com/KeejayOV3/status/1489871498051473409?s=20&t=JkqotxgahgT8ijimr6dowQ
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    moonshine said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I just watched the Starmer speech, and (after a very slow start) I must confess he was excellent.

    There's a moment about a minute in when he drops out of 'speech' mode and moves to a more conversational tone that was absolutely spot on.

    You know what, he's no Obama or Blair. But he's also no Milliband or Corbyn. For the first time in a decade, I saw a potential Labour Prime Minister.

    And... If he'd memorized the speech, rather than reading it, he could have managed a 9/10 rather than a 6/10.
    Agreed, that speech changed my opinion of him. And I suspect Johnson realised what he’d just witnessed, which was what rattled him into the ill fated Savile jibe.
    Not actually noticed that much on the day, I think it’s a speech that will be remembered, and quoted, for years to come: ‘honesty and decency matters’ will resonate when we look back with a shudder at the memory of the Johnson premiership. Hopefully, whatever party is in power, we will never again elect such a moral degenerate.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,520
    MrEd said:

    Thanks, Cookie - and glad to see MrEd giving a like - perhaps we can welcome you and BigG back after all?

    I’m back Nick. PB.com is like a drug but fortunately not like fentanyl …
    Excellent!
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Carnyx said:

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    One of Maggie’s biggest assets was Denis.

    Johnson’s very public failure to be monogamous is his Achilles’ heel.
    Would he chuck his wife and young children out on the streets in order to say his premiership?

    I leave that question as an exercise for the reader.
    I get the feeling that some people are deliberately orchestrating a campaign to force him to try precisely that (to try and create a vacuum to fill, or to discredit him in the public eye, I am not sure). Or at least to get him out of No 10 if he remains loyal.

    The Graun had a piece last night - not so much an attack on her but a more detached assessment of the anti-Mrs Johnson campaigning. The ending in particular is pro-Mrs Johnson.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/04/carrie-boris-johnson-pm-wife-downing-street
    A quote from, erm, Anna Soubry. Not that likely to convince her critics!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,738
    Applicant said:

    Carnyx said:

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    One of Maggie’s biggest assets was Denis.

    Johnson’s very public failure to be monogamous is his Achilles’ heel.
    Would he chuck his wife and young children out on the streets in order to say his premiership?

    I leave that question as an exercise for the reader.
    I get the feeling that some people are deliberately orchestrating a campaign to force him to try precisely that (to try and create a vacuum to fill, or to discredit him in the public eye, I am not sure). Or at least to get him out of No 10 if he remains loyal.

    The Graun had a piece last night - not so much an attack on her but a more detached assessment of the anti-Mrs Johnson campaigning. The ending in particular is pro-Mrs Johnson.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/04/carrie-boris-johnson-pm-wife-downing-street
    A quote from, erm, Anna Soubry. Not that likely to convince her critics!
    I did notice ...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,577

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    Cummings war on Carrie is quite distasteful. She does rather lay herself open to the Carrie Antoinette jibe by her actions, and has done rather well for a political groupie.

    It wouldn't matter much if Boris wasn't as easily influenced, as changeable or had a single political principle of his own.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,648

    MrEd said:

    Thanks, Cookie - and glad to see MrEd giving a like - perhaps we can welcome you and BigG back after all?

    I’m back Nick. PB.com is like a drug but fortunately not like fentanyl …
    Excellent!
    Good to have you back @MrEd - I agree with next to nothing you say but you argue your points well and challenge my preconceptions frequently.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340
    Foxy said:

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    Cummings war on Carrie is quite distasteful. She does rather lay herself open to the Carrie Antoinette jibe by her actions, and has done rather well for a political groupie.

    It wouldn't matter much if Boris wasn't as easily influenced, as changeable or had a single political principle of his own.
    I think it would be better actually if he had a principle of staying single.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,520
    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.
  • Heathener said:

    Roger said:

    Eabhal said:

    In 'other media" news, Starmer's speech on the Sue Gray report now has a startling 1.5 million views (politicsJOE). It's described as "extraordinary oratory" in the title.

    As I've said before, I think 90% of public opinion for people my age is derived from BBC News app push notifications. They have been plentiful during this farce.

    I just checked PoliticsJoe and I came across an interview with a very nice ex colleague of Johnson's. She hates him but she's a very entertaining interviewee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjQUIzo2Ze4
    Wow that's worth watching.

    An absolutely devastating interview. I recommend every single contributor to this site, your family and friends, watch it.
    Just watched it. Agree 100%.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    ydoethur said:

    I am very much looking forward to this and hope to be able to make it. I have been a part of this site since the very earliest days and a regular contributor both below and (later) above the line. Although in recent times I have returned to lurking for fairly obvious reasons.

    Congratulations to Mike and Robert on the anniversary and thanks to everyone who helps make this site what it is.

    And thank you to everyone who has posted kind words about me in recent months.

    You are a legend in all ways sir, and following your career from not too far away has been interesting.
    He doesn't need to worry about posting upsetting his bosses anymore either.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,577
    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Doethur, I suspect not. He's an entertaining clown and will be well-remunerated, I would expect.

    It's not what he deserves, of course, but such is life.

    Possibly, but I don't think he'll manage it in the UK. He may have to go to the country of his birth to make money, like his fellow right wing liar and shill David Irving.

    And good riddance if he does.
    Does the bumbling oaf, scruffy schoolboy act work in America? So far as I can see it doesn't even work in the UK outside England, and looking a bit over exposed even here.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,737

    Car-crash interview by Nadine Dorries this morning. If she's the best Downing Street can put up it's over.

    For those who missed it, here’s some of Nadine Dorries on #BBCBreakfast just now:

    https://twitter.com/KeejayOV3/status/1489871498051473409?s=20&t=JkqotxgahgT8ijimr6dowQ
    OMFG

    He (and she) need to be put out their misery, just embarrassing now
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,742
    Foxy said:

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    Cummings war on Carrie is quite distasteful. She does rather lay herself open to the Carrie Antoinette jibe by her actions, and has done rather well for a political groupie.

    It wouldn't matter much if Boris wasn't as easily influenced, as changeable or had a single political principle of his own.
    Rats fighting in a sack is quite distasteful, and it seems a bit futile to try to apportion blame.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Foxy said:

    After the crushing Tory general election victory that December, the PM's chief adviser Dominic Cummings was approached by a colleague for a congratulatory chat. But Cummings, convinced that Carrie had a dangerous hold over his boss, was downbeat.

    'This is a disaster,' he said. 'Watch Carrie go to work on [Boris] now. I give it six months before we're out of a job.'

    In fact, Cummings lasted 11 months, but throughout that time Johnson grew increasingly exasperated with Carrie's meddling.

    Today, the police are investigating Partygate, in which she seems to have been a player. This comes after Wallpapergate, in which she was instrumental.

    It also follows the scandal over animals from Pen Farthing's charity being rescued from Afghanistan when human lives were at stake. Some who lobbied for this have spoken openly of her involvement.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10478349/LORD-ASHCROFT-Carrie-Johnsons-behaviour-preventing-Prime-Minister-leading-Britain.html

    Cummings war on Carrie is quite distasteful. She does rather lay herself open to the Carrie Antoinette jibe by her actions, and has done rather well for a political groupie.

    It wouldn't matter much if Boris wasn't as easily influenced, as changeable or had a single political principle of his own.
    While she is involved in politics so to a degree fair game many of the comments from Cummings come across as obsessed. It makes him come across as a jilted lover upset Boris picked someone else.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849
    Scott_xP said:

    I think we are fast approaching the point where responsible media outlets should turn down / not bid for interviews with the Secretary of State for Media Sport, Nadine Dorries. https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1489871675609030656

    That interview is one of those where the interviewee says nothing but reveals everything
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,773

    I remember Ave it, and also when Newbies were alerted not to confuse Peter from Putney with Peter the Punter. When was this?
    Thank you OGH for this great site.

    It wasn't just newbies. We've all done it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849
    MrEd said:

    Thanks, Cookie - and glad to see MrEd giving a like - perhaps we can welcome you and BigG back after all?

    I’m back Nick. PB.com is like a drug but fortunately not like fentanyl …
    Great news. This site needs people who are wrong as well as those who are right, and we can't always fall back on HY and Sean ;)

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Telegraph now pretty much writing obituaries to Johnson's time in office.

    Even his "ultimate boss" knows this is over.

    Like Alfred Nobel that shall just spur him on to new and greater things.

    Or at least to get his name associated with the great works of others.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    There's a lot of anti-Carrie stuff on ConHome and below the line in the Mail, mostly from pro-Boris Tories looking for an excuse for the flaws of their hero. The penny doesn't seem to drop that the problem isn't her principles and views but his lack of them.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think we are fast approaching the point where responsible media outlets should turn down / not bid for interviews with the Secretary of State for Media Sport, Nadine Dorries. https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1489871675609030656

    That interview is one of those where the interviewee says nothing but reveals everything
    Absolutely - if Dorris (and JRM) is all he has left, then god help us all
  • eekeek Posts: 28,304

    Car-crash interview by Nadine Dorries this morning. If she's the best Downing Street can put up it's over.

    She is supposedly one of the 20 best politicians in the Parliamentary Tory party - otherwise why is she in cabinet?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,520
    What do we make of these proposals?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/04/sending-threatening-posts-among-offences-in-revised-online-safety-bill

    I was against at first, thinking it would criminalise routine if unpleasant expressions of abusive opinions ("X is a twat"), but the list of specific content - "a threat of serious harm, sending a communication with the intent of causing psychological harm or serious emotional distress, and deliberately sending a false message with the intention of causing harm" - doesn't seem to include that. The "intent to cause serious distress" bit is still a bit liable to interpretation, though.

    Also, apparently FB and Twitter are supposed to stop people posting things like that before they've done so ("Previously, platforms such as Facebook and Twitter had to take such content down if it was flagged to them but now they would be legally required to prevent users from being exposed to them in the first place"). How are they supposed to do that??
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,648

    Car-crash interview by Nadine Dorries this morning. If she's the best Downing Street can put up it's over.

    As somebody said a couple of days ago "when you're down to your last Nadine, you're in big trouble".
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849
    edited February 2022
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Doethur, I suspect not. He's an entertaining clown and will be well-remunerated, I would expect.

    It's not what he deserves, of course, but such is life.

    Possibly, but I don't think he'll manage it in the UK. He may have to go to the country of his birth to make money, like his fellow right wing liar and shill David Irving.

    And good riddance if he does.
    Does the bumbling oaf, scruffy schoolboy act work in America? So far as I can see it doesn't even work in the UK outside England, and looking a bit over exposed even here.
    In retrospect the now almost-forgotten Peppa Pig episode may come to be seen as of greater significance. At the time I saw some pollsters saying that it was being raised in focus groups surprisingly often. It may indeed be the moment when for many voters his amusing-couldn't-give-a-toss shtick turned from asset to liability.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    IanB2 said:

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    There's a lot of anti-Carrie stuff on ConHome and below the line in the Mail, mostly from pro-Boris Tories looking for an excuse for the flaws of their hero. The penny doesn't seem to drop that the problem isn't her principles and views but his lack of them.
    Well, quite. Even if it's true that she has too much influence, whose fault is that?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849

    Heathener said:

    Roger said:

    Eabhal said:

    In 'other media" news, Starmer's speech on the Sue Gray report now has a startling 1.5 million views (politicsJOE). It's described as "extraordinary oratory" in the title.

    As I've said before, I think 90% of public opinion for people my age is derived from BBC News app push notifications. They have been plentiful during this farce.

    I just checked PoliticsJoe and I came across an interview with a very nice ex colleague of Johnson's. She hates him but she's a very entertaining interviewee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjQUIzo2Ze4
    Wow that's worth watching.

    An absolutely devastating interview. I recommend every single contributor to this site, your family and friends, watch it.
    Just watched it. Agree 100%.
    And another 100%. I read her book years ago, at a time when I was coming across Johnson in RL reasonably frequently. The picture she paints in the book is both credible and horrifying, and her point in the interview at being staggered he has subsequently fooled so many people is the nub of the matter.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,340

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    I'm not hugely impressed with Carrie Johnson.

    But she's a vast improvement on Dominic Cummings. And I think that's what hurts him the most.
  • Mad Nad truly is bonkers. Putting her in cabinet is as crazy as putting lalaland people like Shapps Green or Gavin Williamson in cabinet. And even Liar isn't that stupid.

    No, wait...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849
    eek said:

    Car-crash interview by Nadine Dorries this morning. If she's the best Downing Street can put up it's over.

    She is supposedly one of the 20 best politicians in the Parliamentary Tory party - otherwise why is she in cabinet?
    Er, because he wouldn't want any of them showing him up?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,577
    edited February 2022

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    Yes for all her foibles over interior design and love of socialising, Carrie does bring something useful to the Tories.

    Her concerns over green issues, animal welfare etc and being a couple of decades younger do match a demographic that Tories are usually anathema too. She is rather a prosecco environmentalist, but does match a younger female demographic that the Tories poll extremely badly with. The flexitarian yummy mummy vote is one the Tories need.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,606
    His Nads are on the line.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849

    What do we make of these proposals?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/04/sending-threatening-posts-among-offences-in-revised-online-safety-bill

    I was against at first, thinking it would criminalise routine if unpleasant expressions of abusive opinions ("X is a twat"), but the list of specific content - "a threat of serious harm, sending a communication with the intent of causing psychological harm or serious emotional distress, and deliberately sending a false message with the intention of causing harm" - doesn't seem to include that. The "intent to cause serious distress" bit is still a bit liable to interpretation, though.

    Also, apparently FB and Twitter are supposed to stop people posting things like that before they've done so ("Previously, platforms such as Facebook and Twitter had to take such content down if it was flagged to them but now they would be legally required to prevent users from being exposed to them in the first place"). How are they supposed to do that??

    Sounds like a job for a decent AI, training itself up to spot anything potentially abusive and blocking it before it gets published?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    ydoethur said:

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    I'm not hugely impressed with Carrie Johnson.

    But she's a vast improvement on Dominic Cummings. And I think that's what hurts him the most.
    His pieces are too long for me, but has he explained why people he thinks are so useless were able to outmanuevere and sack him? I believe he attempted to explain why he was there for as long as he was when he says they were obviously so bad, but it wasn't very persuasive.
  • Applicant said:

    IanB2 said:

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    There's a lot of anti-Carrie stuff on ConHome and below the line in the Mail, mostly from pro-Boris Tories looking for an excuse for the flaws of their hero. The penny doesn't seem to drop that the problem isn't her principles and views but his lack of them.
    Well, quite. Even if it's true that she has too much influence, whose fault is that?
    Someone once said that Boris Johnson is most influenced by the last person to have talked to him. Carrie just happens to always be the last person he talks to
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    What do we make of these proposals?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/04/sending-threatening-posts-among-offences-in-revised-online-safety-bill

    I was against at first, thinking it would criminalise routine if unpleasant expressions of abusive opinions ("X is a twat"), but the list of specific content - "a threat of serious harm, sending a communication with the intent of causing psychological harm or serious emotional distress, and deliberately sending a false message with the intention of causing harm" - doesn't seem to include that. The "intent to cause serious distress" bit is still a bit liable to interpretation, though.

    Also, apparently FB and Twitter are supposed to stop people posting things like that before they've done so ("Previously, platforms such as Facebook and Twitter had to take such content down if it was flagged to them but now they would be legally required to prevent users from being exposed to them in the first place"). How are they supposed to do that??

    I get banned off Twitter quite regularly. It's obviously all automatically driven by algorithms as I always get sprung out of Twitter jail after exactly 24 hours.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,648
    IanB2 said:

    MrEd said:

    Thanks, Cookie - and glad to see MrEd giving a like - perhaps we can welcome you and BigG back after all?

    I’m back Nick. PB.com is like a drug but fortunately not like fentanyl …
    Great news. This site needs people who are wrong as well as those who are right, and we can't always fall back on HY and Sean ;)

    Isn't @Sandpit still shilling for Johnson too?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,606
    Boris’ next big job?

    DG of the BBC?
    Editor of the Telegraph?
    Secretary General of the UN?
    Trumps running mate?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,742
    A photograph of Boris Johnson drinking a beer at a birthday event held for him in No 10 is among the 300 images handed to the Metropolitan Police, it has been reported.
    The prime minister was pictured standing next to Rishi Suank and raising a can of Estrella towards the camera in a photo allegedly taken by the official Downing Street photographer during the first national coronavirus lockdown.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-latest-sunak-savile-rebellion-b2008274.html
  • Good morning

    Switch on and there is Nadine Dorries doing her sycophantic tribute act for Boris and it just grates

    For goodness sake Boris go, and take her with you along with JRM
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,753
    edited February 2022
    How is intent to be gauged in law, though?

    Suppose I'm having DMs with someone who mentions they're scared of buttons (a rare but real phobia). If, three years later, I forget this fear and send them a photo of my snazzy new cardigan, complete with buttons, is that a criminal act?

    What if I do it the very next day, but either in a drunken stupor, or when very tired, or because I thought the button fear comment was not serious?

    Edited extra bit: in this examples there's no intention but my query regards how this can be proven, and upon whom is the burden of proof.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,520
    edited February 2022
    Applicant said:



    I get the feeling that some people are deliberately orchestrating a campaign to force him to try precisely that (to try and create a vacuum to fill, or to discredit him in the public eye, I am not sure). Or at least to get him out of No 10 if he remains loyal.

    The Graun had a piece last night - not so much an attack on her but a more detached assessment of the anti-Mrs Johnson campaigning. The ending in particular is pro-Mrs Johnson.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/04/carrie-boris-johnson-pm-wife-downing-street

    A quote from, erm, Anna Soubry. Not that likely to convince her critics!

    What a sound woman! :)
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Foxy said:

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    Yes for all her foibles over interior design and love of socialising, Carrie does bring something useful to the Tories.

    Her concerns over green issues, animal welfare etc and being a couple of decades younger do match a demographic that Tories are usually anathema too. She is rather a prosecco environmentalist, but does match a younger female demographic that the Tories poll extremely badly with. The flexitarian yummy mummy vote is one the Tories need.
    Except she doesn't help them get that vote, she just alienates voters that they actually had.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,849
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Ashcroft plugging his book on his website which claims to be about polling - naughty. It's quite a character assassination of Carrie, with a toxic mixture of unattributed comments, unproven allegations and mealy-mouthed assertions that he wants all the best for the Johnsons and the party.

    https://mailchi.mp/lordashcroftpolls/new-research-from-lord-ashcroft-polls-449037?e=99cd3aa6df

    tldr - he dislikes Carrie. I approve of her because of the animal welfare/environment angle, and understand that there are Tories who dislike her for the same reason, as well as the usual reservations about PMs' partners having an influence. But if it was someone I disliked, I hope I'd still be against this kind of stuff, which basically just reinforces the ferrets-in-a-sack impression of the tories.

    I'm not hugely impressed with Carrie Johnson.

    But she's a vast improvement on Dominic Cummings. And I think that's what hurts him the most.
    His pieces are too long for me, but has he explained why people he thinks are so useless were able to outmanuevere and sack him? I believe he attempted to explain why he was there for as long as he was when he says they were obviously so bad, but it wasn't very persuasive.
    He's great at diagnosing problems, so-so at identifying workable solutions, and incapable of implementing any of them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Dura_Ace said:

    What do we make of these proposals?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/04/sending-threatening-posts-among-offences-in-revised-online-safety-bill

    I was against at first, thinking it would criminalise routine if unpleasant expressions of abusive opinions ("X is a twat"), but the list of specific content - "a threat of serious harm, sending a communication with the intent of causing psychological harm or serious emotional distress, and deliberately sending a false message with the intention of causing harm" - doesn't seem to include that. The "intent to cause serious distress" bit is still a bit liable to interpretation, though.

    Also, apparently FB and Twitter are supposed to stop people posting things like that before they've done so ("Previously, platforms such as Facebook and Twitter had to take such content down if it was flagged to them but now they would be legally required to prevent users from being exposed to them in the first place"). How are they supposed to do that??

    I get banned off Twitter quite regularly.
    I dont believe this news, what an outrage. :)
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