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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135
    Farooq said:

    I've been thinking more about the politicians who wind me up to an inexplicable level:
    Patel
    Blackford
    Hoyle
    Nandy

    I dislike each of them far more than I should. What do they have in common? I can't think of anything.

    None of them speak in a Home Counties accent. You're a snob. Sorry.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    GIN1138 said:

    The Good Lord cashing in before (or just after) the Johnson's are history? ;)
    What the Good Lord giveth, the Good Lord taketh away.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407

    She's a disgraced national security risk.
    Ridiculous.- national security risk - you're far worse, and I'm a little worse. She's no risk at all.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,306
    Farooq said:

    There's really not much vanishing going on. You can make a point about ME not being articulate in why I hate her and dismiss it as irrational, but other people are putting pretty solid reasons on the table.
    How about, you’re a racist but you cannot possibly accept that, hence your confusion?

    She’s a small, smirking, not-posh Asian woman with right wing beliefs. She fails you, racially. She should be Left
  • Farooq said:

    I've been thinking more about the politicians who wind me up to an inexplicable level:
    Patel
    Blackford
    Hoyle
    Nandy

    I dislike each of them far more than I should. What do they have in common? I can't think of anything.

    It's an interesting list, none of those annoy me. The politicians I really get triggered by are:
    JRM - precision engineered to trigger me
    Osborne - unbearably smug sneering face
    Leadsome - reminds me of my grandma's horrible right wing friends
    Corbyn - pedantic and unimaginative (although fair play to him in 2017, that exit poll means I can't hate him completely).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,411

    None of them speak in a Home Counties accent. You're a snob. Sorry.
    Patel sounds OK in the constituency. Apart from among the privately-educated farmers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,637
    Nadine is "helping" again
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,837

    On staying in cabinet, you can throw that argument at Starmer, who seemed quite at home in Corbyn's shadow cabinet.
    I suspect that quite a few conservative MP's were hoping to keep Johnson until the catastrophic local elections in May as the right time to knife him. New leader installed in time for the conference. Reset the direction, 18 months to bed in, with some judicious tax cuts bribes to electorate and bingo...
    Sadly the oaf is not even capable of lasting this long.
    A difference. Starmer isn't a candidate for Tory leader. Whataboutery cuts no ice with MPs or Tory members weighing up the options.

    Timing is everything. It is too late for a significant government figure suddenly to find their Damascus road experience. Several million voters got there before him. If you didn't twig with the Savile slur after everything else, you don't get it.



  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,153

    It is to me

    Lots of memories of first class trips to London and of course a lifetime love of all things trains
    Never been first class on a train. Something to look forward to!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    I used to find Ed Balls unaccountably irritating. And had a much stronger reaction to Corbyn to most politicians, to the point I felt my stance required me to vote Tory in 2017.

    Some people seemed to find Cox's bombast very irritating.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,124
    Sebastian Payne is also a Nandy fan.

    Michael Gove vs Lisa Nandy on the levelling up white paper is a serious tour de force. Labour finally found the right person to attempt its fightback in the red wall.

    https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/status/1488890095679811588?s=21

    As she says,

    "They've given more to Covid fraudsters (£4.3bn) than they've given to the North of England"
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Seems there is lot of silliness on trans rights on these boards just as there is from self indulgent commentators in the Times and the Observer. Tom Harwood on GB news has far more sensible views on trans rights and has pointed out that prisoners are already assessed on an individual basis.

    Germany seems a lot better on trans rights and there is no controversy in their gvt about it.

    I don't think people like Rosie Duffield and cyclefree understand the equality act and if they do they want to repeal parts of it.
    So it's lots of people on "these boards", Times, Observer, cyclefree and Rosie Duffield vs tom fucking harwood, and "Gary." Christ, imagine having the audacity to want to repeal part of an Act of Parliament, and failing to see the stunningly obvious point that "prisoners are already assessed on an individual basis."
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,153

    Having spent 3 days in London I can understand the problem. The lack of people travelling about in the middle is marked. I had seen some pictures but couldn't believe it until I saw it.

    The drop in revenue must be brutal.
    The tube is pretty busy at weekends. It's during weekday rush hour that it's incredibly quiet.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,314

    Sebastian Payne is also a Nandy fan.

    Michael Gove vs Lisa Nandy on the levelling up white paper is a serious tour de force. Labour finally found the right person to attempt its fightback in the red wall.

    https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/status/1488890095679811588?s=21

    As she says,

    "They've given more to Covid fraudsters (£4.3bn) than they've given to the North of England"

    Someone selling something above market price is a fraudster?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW Michael Ashcroft's biography of Carrie Johnson is published on Mar 22
    It will "offer the electorate the chance to assess exactly what role she plays in Boris Johnson’s unpredictable administration and why that matters", the publisher says
    More in Chopper's Politics Newsletter
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1488927363752677385

    I imagine Ashcroft biographies are by Ashcroft, in the same way Ashcroft polls are. Ghosted by Dom.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,965
    MaxPB said:

    They think she's a race traitor. There's really not more to it than that.
    Huh? No it really is the hangin' and floggin', oh and dropping her 'g's.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,837
    edited February 2022

    I am with you on most, except Hoyle. Think he is doing a good job. I think smugness is the commonality with the other three. Smug with little to be smug about.
    Patel and Blackford have in common that listening to them speak is an exercise in pure duration. Neither ever have anything of interest to say, even when it is important. Specialists in empty words and redundant sounds.

    Though none of this is true of Nandy or Hoyle.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    DUP NI Agriculture Minister Edwin Poots orders his officials to stop all Irish sea border checks from midnight tonight

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-60236169
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Oh you can sign me up for the Leadsom Irrational Hate Club too.
    JRM and Corbyn, I think I dislike both of them the "right" amount. Osborne.... uh, I like him more than I should. He was a bit of an Alan B'Stard figure. A rogue, but a fun one.
    Leadsom and Patel, it's really easy: nobody likes a liar. One bit.
  • Pretty amusing how the PB Putinist Peanut Gallery is eager to talk about anything, everything EXCEPT their Big Dog?

    Talk about ruff!

    BTW, can anyone remember Neville Chamberlain's "National" government HoC majority on May Day 1940?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,637
    IshmaelZ said:

    I imagine Ashcroft biographies are by Ashcroft, in the same way Ashcroft polls are. Ghosted by Dom.

    written by Isobel Oakeshott in fact
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,960
    RobD said:

    Someone selling something above market price is a fraudster?
    When it is known not to work? Yes, I would say so.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,314
    ClippP said:

    When it is known not to work? Yes, I would say so.
    But that isn't the case for the £4.3bn figure quoted, as the report describes in detail.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    President Biden sends more US troops to Poland and Romania

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60234377
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    Andy_JS said:

    The tube is pretty busy at weekends. It's during weekday rush hour that it's incredibly quiet.
    Pretty easy to see insane crowding every morning.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    It's an interesting list, none of those annoy me. The politicians I really get triggered by are:
    JRM - precision engineered to trigger me
    Osborne - unbearably smug sneering face
    Leadsome - reminds me of my grandma's horrible right wing friends
    Corbyn - pedantic and unimaginative (although fair play to him in 2017, that exit poll means I can't hate him completely).
    I have a soft spot for Angela, purely because she facilitates a tortured PB-style pun:

    Angela Leadsom to believe she was leadership material (etc etc)

    In every other respect, I dislike her hugely.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,436
    algarkirk said:

    A difference. Starmer isn't a candidate for Tory leader. Whataboutery cuts no ice with MPs or Tory members weighing up the options.

    Timing is everything. It is too late for a significant government figure suddenly to find their Damascus road experience. Several million voters got there before him. If you didn't twig with the Savile slur after everything else, you don't get it.



    Yes - I think he possibly has missed the boat, but I was trying to suggest why. I don't think potential leaders wanted to take over now (or in a couple of months) but would rather it was in say August, leading into conference. Whatever. Sometimes the 'best' time is not ideal, but its when you have to do it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leadsom and Patel, it's really easy: nobody likes a liar. One bit.
    Angela Leadsom to believe the rampant falsehoods she was spouting.

    Anyway, you get the picture.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    RobD said:

    Someone selling something above market price is a fraudster?
    Yes, if they are colluding with the buyer's agent to ensure the buyer overpays.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,436
    Andy_JS said:

    Never been first class on a train. Something to look forward to!
    Years ago a fellow PhD student used to regularly travel 1st class from Norwich to London at weekends. Apparently it was 5 quid extra, and he rated it worth it, even on his lowly PhD stipend.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,121
    ClippP said:

    When it is known not to work? Yes, I would say so.
    It's a terrible comment to make. We needed that PPE. We paid the going price for it. The idea that £4.3 billion was given to fraudsters is a far worse lie than anything about Johnson's parties.

    I guess people like you would have preferred us not to get the PPE, so you could then scream and shout about the government's failure to get it?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,314
    IshmaelZ said:

    Yes, if they are colluding with the buyer's agent to ensure the buyer overpays.
    Who needed to collude? The demand during those months in 2020 was through the roof, people could charge what they wanted because there was such desperation to get hold of it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    kle4 said:

    I used to find Ed Balls unaccountably irritating. And had a much stronger reaction to Corbyn to most politicians, to the point I felt my stance required me to vote Tory in 2017.

    Some people seemed to find Cox's bombast very irritating.

    The Ludicrous Cox, to use his full name.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    Sebastian Payne is also a Nandy fan.

    Michael Gove vs Lisa Nandy on the levelling up white paper is a serious tour de force. Labour finally found the right person to attempt its fightback in the red wall.

    https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/status/1488890095679811588?s=21

    As she says,

    "They've given more to Covid fraudsters (£4.3bn) than they've given to the North of England"

    That's a good line. I'd actually go more precise and say they cancelled HS2 for the North East to bung their fraudster mates £4.3bn or something like that. Link that wasted money to something really tangible.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,637
    Couple of days ago the line was “the plot against Boris has been defeated”. Tonight the line is “Look! They’re coordinating! It’s a plot against Boris!”.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1488933504452755456
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    HYUFD said:

    DUP NI Agriculture Minister Edwin Poots orders his officials to stop all Irish sea border checks from midnight tonight

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-60236169

    Isn't he about to lose his seat because the DUP won't reselect him? What a turnaround he has had since winning a leadership contest.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    Scott_xP said:

    written by Isobel Oakeshott in fact
    I wonder what they might reveal just because it made them smile?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,965
    RobD said:

    Who needed to collude? The demand during those months in 2020 was through the roof, people could charge what they wanted because there was such desperation to get hold of it.
    You are still not allowed to sell unfit for purpose products at over inflated prices, which is one of the charges.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,095
    Here's my setup...


  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Pulpstar said:

    Here's my setup...


    Decent - but that's your work battlestation though?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    edited February 2022
    Thuggish and incompetent politicians with a polished veneer that enables them to get away with it annoy me.

    Boris
    JRM

    Egotistical halo polishers that cannot see the negative consequences of their actions and treat people badly in the process of doing their great work are not far behind.

    Some on the hard left really qualify here.

    Not Corbyn who whilst rarely saw the whole picture himself and was blinded by his halo ego, personally appeared to treat people well. His problem was that he was naive, closed minded and needed be tougher on those closest to him that let him down. Annoying, but in a different way.
  • kle4 said:

    I used to find Ed Balls unaccountably irritating. And had a much stronger reaction to Corbyn to most politicians, to the point I felt my stance required me to vote Tory in 2017.

    Some people seemed to find Cox's bombast very irritating.

    It is often the case that people you loathe from a distance turn out to be completely different when you meet them. The loathing disappears and you suddenly appreciate that this is a human being of warmth, wit and charm. You realise how wrong you have been all along and gladly acknowledge it.

    I shared your dislike of Ed Balls from a distance, however irrational it may have been. Then one day I got to meet him and found to my astonishment that the real person was even more loathsome, charmless and lacking in human warmth than I had ever previously imagined.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,436
    rcs1000 said:

    That wasn't the problem, it was that she said 'well, if they're later discovered to be innocent they can be pardoned then'.

    Which is fine, except by that time the person would be dead/
    But with a pardon...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    JBriskin3 said:

    Decent - but that's your work battlestation though?
    A corner retreat.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,586
    edited February 2022
    kle4 said:

    Isn't he about to lose his seat because the DUP won't reselect him? What a turnaround he has had since winning a leadership contest.
    The entire DUP (and indeed the TUV) will be be behind his decision to stop Irish sea border checks tonight though
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    edited February 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    That wasn't the problem, it was that she said 'well, if they're later discovered to be innocent they can be pardoned then'.

    Which is fine, except by that time the person would be dead/
    Look, you cannot make am omlette of punishment without a few fatal miscarriages of justice.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,811

    It's a terrible comment to make. We needed that PPE. We paid the going price for it. The idea that £4.3 billion was given to fraudsters is a far worse lie than anything about Johnson's parties.

    I guess people like you would have preferred us not to get the PPE, so you could then scream and shout about the government's failure to get it?
    The £4.3 billion to fraudsters is about the write off for BBL by Sunak.

    The write down for price gouged PPE is a separate issue. I don't see why there has not been a thorough audit of the decision process for those contracts to see who profited. It seems the Tories are no longer interested in value for taxpayers money
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,811
    rcs1000 said:

    That wasn't the problem, it was that she said 'well, if they're later discovered to be innocent they can be pardoned then'.

    Which is fine, except by that time the person would be dead/
    Well she does believe in reincarnation!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,531

    Seems there is lot of silliness on trans rights on these boards just as there is from self indulgent commentators in the Times and the Observer. Tom Harwood on GB news has far more sensible views on trans rights and has pointed out that prisoners are already assessed on an individual basis.

    Germany seems a lot better on trans rights and there is no controversy in their gvt about it.

    I don't think people like Rosie Duffield and cyclefree understand the equality act and if they do they want to repeal parts of it.
    The debate on this in the UK is very heated cf other countries. Not completely sure why. The proposal in the HoC committee report on gender recognition is self-Id with controls for certain areas. The objective is to help transgender people without compromising the rights or safety of women. I think the case for it is strong.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited February 2022
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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,436

    It is often the case that people you loathe from a distance turn out to be completely different when you meet them. The loathing disappears and you suddenly appreciate that this is a human being of warmth, wit and charm. You realise how wrong you have been all along and gladly acknowledge it.

    I shared your dislike of Ed Balls from a distance, however irrational it may have been. Then one day I got to meet him and found to my astonishment that the real person was even more loathsome, charmless and lacking in human warmth than I had ever previously imagined.
    I detested Balls when he was Brown's attack dog, but find him much warmer now he's out of politics. Not met him in person though, so he may be very different.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,436
    Foxy said:

    The £4.3 billion to fraudsters is about the write off for BBL by Sunak.

    The write down for price gouged PPE is a separate issue. I don't see why there has not been a thorough audit of the decision process for those contracts to see who profited. It seems the Tories are no longer interested in value for taxpayers money
    One hopes it is addressed in the inquiry(ies). But it probably will be glossed over. I think its both fair to say that we were desperate for PPE at the time and messed up some of the procurement. The former doesn't really excuse the latter and we should be making strenuous efforts to get our money back where possible.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    How is it that the SNP get to arse about with regards to Scotland? My Scotland is much the same as theirs.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    One hopes it is addressed in the inquiry(ies). But it probably will be glossed over. I think its both fair to say that we were desperate for PPE at the time and messed up some of the procurement. The former doesn't really excuse the latter and we should be making strenuous efforts to get our money back where possible.
    I fully expect the inquiry to be limited to "why didn't we lock down harder and sooner?"
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    edited February 2022
    Jonathan said:

    Thuggish and incompetent politicians with a polished veneer that enables them to get away with it annoy me.

    Boris
    JRM

    Egotistical halo polishers that cannot see the negative consequences of their actions and treat people badly in the process of doing their great work are not far behind.

    Some on the hard left really qualify here.

    Not Corbyn who whilst rarely saw the whole picture himself and was blinded by his halo ego, personally appeared to treat people well. His problem was that he was naive, closed minded and needed be tougher on those closest to him that let him down. Annoying, but in a different way.

    Yes, as a Corbyn fan I think that's fair. He had also drunk the "polite argument will always win" Kool-Aid to an extent which was suicidal in a leading politician, which as you say prevented him from cracking down on loony supporters, and also gave free rein to irreconcilable opponents. His more ruthless supporters would cheerfully have long since deselected many of the MPs who by 2019 were openly hostile to Labour because he was leading the party, but he was just as stubborn in his refusal to encourage deselections as he was in his political views. It was an odd combination of personal rigidity and tolerance of others.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Andy_JS said:

    Never been first class on a train. Something to look forward to!
    Andy_JS said:

    Never been first class on a train. Something to look forward to!
    Doesn't cost hugely extra if you book in advance, and if you are on the ECML services from Kings X the main intercity services give or at least gave you tea, coffee, meals etc. ad lib - but DYOR as this (a) depends on the covid situation and (b) depends how long/where/when you are travelling. Mrs C used to make a regular work journey to NE England - went early for breakfast on the train before hopping off for the local at Newcastle.
  • The Wrath of Khan.

    UPDATE: Cressida Dick "put on notice" by Sadiq Khan in meeting over "sickening" officers' messages.

    Source says Dick must show she can improve culture or "the Mayor will have to consider whether she is the right person to lead".

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1488940324361748486
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Omnium said:

    How is it that the SNP get to arse about with regards to Scotland? My Scotland is much the same as theirs.

    I'm not sure of your point - but one of the key factors of SNP types "arsing Scotland" is the media not holding them to account.
  • eek said:

    A lot of that is the fault of the banks who processed the loans and did no work at all to check who got what. 1 obvious starting point that could be done is refusing to refund loans made to companies that were created after Covid appeared

    This is another example of where the blame lies 100% with the bank giving the same director multiple loans

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59761294
    But the government giving the banks a 100% guarantee on the loans didn't give the banks any incentive to do otherwise.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Andy_JS said:
    Nice! Alphabetisation by first name is a little gouche though.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,811
    kinabalu said:

    The debate on this in the UK is very heated cf other countries. Not completely sure why. The proposal in the HoC committee report on gender recognition is self-Id with controls for certain areas. The objective is to help transgender people without compromising the rights or safety of women. I think the case for it is strong.
    Yes, reading the Women and Equalities Committee report, it is clear that people with a GRC can legitimately be excluded from single sex spaces after Self ID. (Reference 255)

    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5802/cmselect/cmwomeq/977/report.html

    Though it would need to be reasonable and proportionate, and suggests that the guidance should include case studies to illustrate when this might be.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,883

    But the government giving the banks a 100% guarantee on the loans didn't give the banks any incentive to do otherwise.
    Especially when the prevailing mood of the time was "we need that money out yesterday".
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,031
    edited February 2022
    Cicero said:


    Athens to Rome late on a winter afternoon: harsh golden horizontal sun on the gulfs of Corinth and Patras and the Antirrio bridge, then over the Ionian islands and up the instep of Italy with the Puglian coast to the right before crossing Basilicata and rounding Vesuvius at dusk. Spectacular enough to watch the whole flight without opening a book once.

    Yes, or Milan-Athens as well, the views over the Croatian Adriatic are stunning, Equally the landing into Ljubljana on a clear day is absolutely spectacular (but pretty scary in bad weather)

    Love a good scoot along the Adriatic. The approach into BCN is usually great too, over the Med but parallel with the coastline. You can pick out the well-known streets, Torre Agbar, Sagrada etc. really nicely. Once did a go-around ("bit of traffic on the runway there" said the ice-cool pilot) and did a lovely air tour of the Eixample for a second crack.

    I flew Ljubljana - Heathrow one time on 5 November, on a night of League Cup action. Fireworks going off below us, great cruise along the Thames, and saw three or four matches from the air, including Brentford missing a penalty.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    JBriskin3 said:

    I'm not sure of your point - but one of the key factors of SNP types "arsing Scotland" is the media not holding them to account.
    The dominantly Unionist-owned media such as the Scotsman?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    JBriskin3 said:

    I'm not sure of your point - but one of the key factors of SNP types "arsing Scotland" is the media not holding them to account.
    Scotland is mine... well not really. My family have a greater claim, looking back it's pretty hard to disenage us from the soil.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    Yes, as a Corbyn fan I think that's fair. He had also drunk the "polite argument will always win" Kool-Aid to an extent which was suicidal in a leading politician, which as you say prevented him from cracking down on loony supporters, and also gave free rein to irreconcilable opponents. His more ruthless supporters would cheerfully have long since deselected many of the MPs who by 2019 were openly hostile to Labour because he was leading the party, but he was just as stubborn in his refusal to encourage deselections as he was in his political views. It was an odd combination of personal rigidity and tolerance of others.
    Absolutely. Oh and plus as well as the "polite argument will always win" misconception he was a vile anti-semite.

    But yes nice guy all round.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,153
    JBriskin3 said:

    Nice! Alphabetisation by first name is a little gouche though.
    I wouldn't have done that if it was my spreadsheet.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Carnyx said:

    The dominantly Unionist-owned media such as the Scotsman?
    Err, the Scotsman's influence pales into insignificance compared to SBBC and STV.
  • The Wrath of Khan.

    UPDATE: Cressida Dick "put on notice" by Sadiq Khan in meeting over "sickening" officers' messages.

    Source says Dick must show she can improve culture or "the Mayor will have to consider whether she is the right person to lead".

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1488940324361748486

    Whilst in the right direction, why is it released hours after the Home Secs briefing against her and when the met is investigating a political opponent. Bad timing if at least finally someone taking notice.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,696

    I detested Balls when he was Brown's attack dog, but find him much warmer now he's out of politics. Not met him in person though, so he may be very different.
    Rather like the previous Balls anecdote, I used to think Bill Cash was an old out of touch windbag. Then I had the pleasure of an hour in his commons office being regaled on the historic importance of Brexit, and realised that not only was he an old out of touch windbag, but one able to sustain a monologue without appearing to draw breath for well over 40 minutes.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't have done that if it was my spreadsheet.
    It's pretty cool spreadsheet - Thanks for sourcing.
  • Andy_JS said:

    I wouldn't have done that if it was my spreadsheet.
    The Meekesmeister got round the problem of guessing where the surname starts by ordering by constituency name.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,811

    But the government giving the banks a 100% guarantee on the loans didn't give the banks any incentive to do otherwise.
    It is noticeable that the frauds were mostly in 3 banks though, suggesting that some did diligence better than others.

    Santander limited applications to existing business customers for example, as they didn't think they could check applications otherwise. Seems a fairly minimal basic precaution and didn't cause delay. I got my BBL authorised within a day.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    The Meekesmeister got round the problem of guessing where the surname starts by ordering by constituency name.
    Surely given that it was a "Pork Pie Plot" Alicia Kearns should be a yes or does yes mean definitely has announced.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    JBriskin3 said:

    It's pretty cool spreadsheet - Thanks for sourcing.
    Even considering a desire to keep things close to one's chest, it is remarkably few who are open about having put one in.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TOPPING said:

    Absolutely. Oh and plus as well as the "polite argument will always win" misconception he was a vile anti-semite.

    But yes nice guy all round.
    A splendid example of the "I am an antisemite but I will defend to the death your right to express non-antisemitic views" school of thought, and a true gent.

    The Wrath of Khan.

    UPDATE: Cressida Dick "put on notice" by Sadiq Khan in meeting over "sickening" officers' messages.

    Source says Dick must show she can improve culture or "the Mayor will have to consider whether she is the right person to lead".

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1488940324361748486

    Christ I'm sick of dickless puffbuttocks putting people on notice: Hoyle to mps, mps to Johnson, Khan to Dick. Just actually bloody do something already.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited February 2022
    CNN president Jeff Zucker has resigned from the network after failing to disclose a romantic relationship with a senior executive.

    The relationship was discovered during an investigation into the conduct of fired CNN anchor Chris Cuomo.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    IshmaelZ said:

    A splendid example of the "I am an antisemite but I will defend to the death your right to express non-antisemitic views" school of thought, and a true gent.
    But not it seemed with eg Luciana Berger and others...
  • ajbajb Posts: 152
    Andy_JS said:
    Nice.

    Does anyone remember, last time when the threshold was reached, how many had gone public?
  • The Wrath of Khan.

    UPDATE: Cressida Dick "put on notice" by Sadiq Khan in meeting over "sickening" officers' messages.

    Source says Dick must show she can improve culture or "the Mayor will have to consider whether she is the right person to lead".

    https://twitter.com/singharj/status/1488940324361748486

    Only on notice....
  • Sweden lifting all Covid restrictions 9 February.
    Denmark lifted them last week.
  • TOPPING said:

    Absolutely. Oh and plus as well as the "polite argument will always win" misconception he was a vile anti-semite.

    But yes nice guy all round.
    Corbyn was anti-Israel rather than anti-Jewish. The definition of antisemitism changed to include the former as well as the latter. Some of the old trots in, say, Liverpool, were classically (and casually) antisemitic.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    JBriskin3 said:

    Err, the Scotsman's influence pales into insignificance compared to SBBC and STV.
    BBC Scotland is just a local branch of the BBC, on a PB point of order.

    So the BBC and STV put out pro-SNP propaganda? Remarkable if true.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    edited February 2022
    kle4 said:

    Even considering a desire to keep things close to one's chest, it is remarkably few who are open about having put one in.
    I think the key fact from the spreadsheet at this point is-

    Confirmed + Suspected 74.3% (of 54 letters)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    The debate on this in the UK is very heated cf other countries. Not completely sure why. The proposal in the HoC committee report on gender recognition is self-Id with controls for certain areas. The objective is to help transgender people without compromising the rights or safety of women. I think the case for it is strong.
    Because the English are such shits. Your final sentence sounds so reasonable nobody could possibly object to it, but it cashes out as Ian Huntley considering transitioning a year or two ago, and a bunch of dickless "activists" screeching transphobe at me for having the bad taste to mention the fact.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,316
    ajb said:

    Nice.

    Does anyone remember, last time when the threshold was reached, how many had gone public?
    No, but if wiki is to be believed either the trickle became a flood, or most had kept schtum. Keep any eye out for a paragon of leadership.

    By 11 December, the public count was still at twenty-six letters from MPs. That day, however, Owen Paterson publicly sent his letter and it later became clear that forty-eight letters had been submitted

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Conservative_Party_leadership_election#12_December_confidence_vote

    Even so, that was a lot more publicly known for May - because it was about something more cared about, policy.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Corbyn was anti-Israel rather than anti-Jewish. The definition of antisemitism changed to include the former as well as the latter. Some of the old trots in, say, Liverpool, were classically (and casually) antisemitic.
    I'm afraid that's just not true. "I'm an anti-zionist" has been code for "I'm an anti-semite" for decades.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Corbyn was anti-Israel rather than anti-Jewish. The definition of antisemitism changed to include the former as well as the latter. Some of the old trots in, say, Liverpool, were classically (and casually) antisemitic.
    No, boringly untrue. He disseminated drawings which were Wannsee conference level antisemitic.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,811
    IshmaelZ said:

    Because the English are such shits. Your final sentence sounds so reasonable nobody could possibly object to it, but it cashes out as Ian Huntley considering transitioning a year or two ago, and a bunch of dickless "activists" screeching transphobe at me for having the bad taste to mention the fact.
    Though as the proposal makes clear a GRC does not prevent exclusion from single sex spaces under the equality act. See my reference below.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647

    Corbyn was anti-Israel rather than anti-Jewish. The definition of antisemitism changed to include the former as well as the latter. Some of the old trots in, say, Liverpool, were classically (and casually) antisemitic.
    He was absolutely anti-Israel (itself a Jewish state) but allowed himself to become both for example the mural which showed to me that for all his some of my best friends are Jews schtick, he would enthusiastically endorse "classical" anti-semitic tropes. Plus the present but not involved thing.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    JBriskin3 said:

    It's pretty cool spreadsheet - Thanks for sourcing.
    Why can't I resort it by col D?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Carnyx said:

    BBC Scotland is just a local branch of the BBC, on a PB point of order.

    So the BBC and STV put out pro-SNP propaganda? Remarkable if true.
    I would say the BBC and STV have a pro-SNP Type bias, yes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,153
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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,153

    Sweden lifting all Covid restrictions 9 February.
    Denmark lifted them last week.

    It'll be interesting to see if Norway, Iceland and Finland do the same.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited February 2022
    The way I always saw Jezza issues with Jews / Israel is that a) he is very dense and b) he has this very simple world view, oppressers vs oppressed. Oppressors are the rich, the powerful and oppressed bad behaviour can be excused away because of not as bad as the opposers long history. From this a) Israel bad / Hamas can be excused and b) falls for the rich powerful Jews trope and does see it as wider anti-Jewish / antisemitism.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    edited February 2022
    I hesitate to comment on the trans thing but as posited to @Cyclefree earlier (I think she had gone out to tend her garden by then) it could also be that we are transitioning (geddit) from our hitherto widespread views of what a "woman" is.

    Sounds bonkers, right. Until one looks at the way social norms have evolved over the years. As ever with societal change of this type there will be an overshoot before we settle down into something that is "advanced" (as in changed) from the status quo ante but is not as "extreme" as, say, the Huntley example.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,153
    edited February 2022

    Yes, as a Corbyn fan I think that's fair. He had also drunk the "polite argument will always win" Kool-Aid to an extent which was suicidal in a leading politician, which as you say prevented him from cracking down on loony supporters, and also gave free rein to irreconcilable opponents. His more ruthless supporters would cheerfully have long since deselected many of the MPs who by 2019 were openly hostile to Labour because he was leading the party, but he was just as stubborn in his refusal to encourage deselections as he was in his political views. It was an odd combination of personal rigidity and tolerance of others.
    John Major used polite argument and won the 1992 general election. Something to look back fondly on, even if one disagreed with his policies.
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