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I still think Johnson will survive – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,161
edited January 2022 in General
imageI still think Johnson will survive – politicalbetting.com

At the start of the week I suggested that Starmer was a good bet to become the next PM. My reasoning was Johnson would last to the general election when the easier seat target that Labour will have would give the LAB leader a chance of becoming PM though probably not with a majority of MPs.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited January 2022
    At first I was afraid, I was petrified
    Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side
    But then I spent so many nights thinking how you did me wrong
    And I grew strong

    Like the electorate will

    *smugly contemplates bojo to go in 2022 at 4/1 position*
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,051
    Second... The new Telegraph revelations pile the pressure on, but will they make it easier for Johnson to cast this as a civil service problem as he was absent for this new party?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    No, I think he'll be given an exit route in May and the new leader installed in September for the conference set piece.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited January 2022
    For Boris to go, first there actually needs to probably be a photo of his partying in the lockdown. Second, there needs to be a consistent set of polling showing a Sunak led Tory party at least clearly ahead of Starmer Labour.

    At the moment neither apply. Even if there is a VONC of Tory MPs I think Boris wins it as I said it this morning about 55% to 45%
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    Called this weeks ago, that culture of office drinking egged on by Boris as the chaps and chapettes were working bloody hard.

    Boozers closed, no matter, we will stay late in the office and drink instead.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Something about

    The Prime Minister Boris
    Johnson Portrait

    sounds a bit dirty to me.

    I probably need to get out more
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    The Telegraph piling on, you know Boris is toast.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Nobody wants to be a new Con leader in time to experience a shellacking in May's elections.

    So Boris Johnson is here to stay for the short term.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    bondegezou said:

    Second... The new Telegraph revelations pile the pressure on, but will they make it easier for Johnson to cast this as a civil service problem as he was absent for this new party?

    Yep. We are being set up for a report that says it was a cross whitehall culture of lads drinking etc etc and Johnson was unaware and it was down to senior civil service to police and they didn't and so a few heads will roll.

    Pass the sick bucket.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Plus The Times are reporting Gray is going to clear him.

    Announce the end of plan B next week and everyone will think how awesome Boris Johnson is, just in time for the focus to shift from Covid/Omicron to the cost of living crisis and the tax increases.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    But memes like this might end Boris Johnson, but I think Boris Johnson is the new Gordon Brown, will limp until the electorate have their say.


  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Renewed calls for Prime Minister to resign after reports Number 10 staff partied on eve of Prince Philip's funeral

    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-renewed-calls-for-pm-to-resign-after-reports-number-10-staff-partied-on-eve-of-prince-philips-funeral-12515403 https://twitter.com/ZoraSuleman/status/1481759159632773124/photo/1
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Am seriously pissed - and NOT in the standard PB sense!

    Because the Powers-That-Be throttled the previous thread, just after I posted (what IMHO is) a really funny joke!!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Called this weeks ago, that culture of office drinking egged on by Boris as the chaps and chapettes were working bloody hard.

    Boozers closed, no matter, we will stay late in the office and drink instead.

    Yep. Speaks to a toxic work culture.
    Doubtless those who also worked bloody hard but fancied seeing their families, watching the telly or having an early night, didn't get any advancement.
    Worst kind of corporate bonding bollocks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    FPT
    IanB2 said:

    Newsnight breaking: Sutton Coldfield Tory Association - unanimous vote of no confidence in the clown

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    Unflushable.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    How Tory prime ministers fell
    Margaret Thatcher: Europe
    David Cameron: Europe
    Theresa May: Europe
    Boris Johnson: A suitcase of wine

    https://twitter.com/GraemeDemianyk/status/1481758916073635848


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    Boris having a young family, all these parties going on downstairs must have been very annoying.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Plus The Times are reporting Gray is going to clear him.

    Announce the end of plan B next week and everyone will think how awesome Boris Johnson is, just in time for the focus to shift from Covid/Omicron to the cost of living crisis and the tax increases.

    How do they know?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Scott_xP said:

    How Tory prime ministers fell
    Margaret Thatcher: Europe
    David Cameron: Europe
    Theresa May: Europe
    Boris Johnson: A suitcase of wine

    https://twitter.com/GraemeDemianyk/status/1481758916073635848


    European wine?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    Chercher l’absence de la femme!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,513
    rottenborough said:

    bondegezou said:

    Second... The new Telegraph revelations pile the pressure on, but will they make it easier for Johnson to cast this as a civil service problem as he was absent for this new party?

    Yep. We are being set up for a report that says it was a cross whitehall culture of lads drinking etc etc and Johnson was unaware and it was down to senior civil service to police and they didn't and so a few heads will roll.

    Pass the sick bucket.
    I am 100% sure this would not have been the culture with Mrs May in Number 10.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
    You reckon they really kept tabs on who was connected after all this time? No doubt the entire office was invited to it, like the BYOB party.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    I hear there is a pill for that these days. Given he has had two kids in 2 years, he definitely isnt firing blanks.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Never mind getting rid of Johnson, the entire government needs to go. Just the most stark example imaginable of a government believing itself to be immune from the rules it applied to others. The call now must be not merely for Johnson's resignation but for a general election.
    https://twitter.com/dhothersall/status/1481746058699055104
    https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1481741337951195136
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    Passing thought I had the other day, his unwanted bastard rate is off the scale high. I mean, in the contexts I've had sex in the past n decades, it's almost always been reasonably predictable in advance to at least one party that sex would occur and that contraception was desirable. With Boris, not so much
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
    Unfortunately they were all too pissed to remember.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    I hear there is a pill for that these days. Given he has had two kids in 2 years, he definitely isnt firing blanks.
    I know, but that might be with the blue pill.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited January 2022
    BBC’s write up of the telegraph story;

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59989946
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    RobD said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
    You reckon they really kept tabs on who was connected after all this time? No doubt the entire office was invited to it, like the BYOB party.
    Actually the zoom quiz yes. They were working in small teams at the time for covid reasons and were in these small teams for the quiz and only a small number were in the offices at the time, most connected from home. Hence why it was run on zoom.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    It's like a really weird new collective noun.

    A glaring of cats
    A shrewdness of apes
    A murder of crows
    A suitcase of wine.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Viagra (et al) solves most of these

    I think your first theory is better. He's Not Getting Any. For an alpha male used to a constant supply of *poontang*, that will be quite the challenge. Plus, it is well known that fathers of new-borns suffer a pretty calamitous drop in testosterone levels (probably an evolutionary device to make them stay home and look after the baby instead of hunting for new mapatasi); in younger men the testosterone levels bounce back fairly quickly, but with a man in his late 50s?

    A drop in testosterone means a drop in almost everything a prime minister needs: decisiveness, ruthlessness, strategic thinking, basic energy

    Add in Long Covid: et voila
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Farooq said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    I hear there is a pill for that these days. Given he has had two kids in 2 years, he definitely isnt firing blanks.
    All that really proves is that someone isn't firing blanks.
    Nah, we saw the picture of his son, no way he got that hair without being the spawn of Boris.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    Labour trying to move argument on to Sue Gray is not independent judging by QT.

    Which is true. Her boss is the one she investigates

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Viagra (et al) solves most of these

    I think your first theory is better. He's Not Getting Any. For an alpha male used to a constant supply of *poontang*, that will be quite the challenge. Plus, it is well known that fathers of new-borns suffer a pretty calamitous drop in testosterone levels (probably an evolutionary device to make them stay home and look after the baby instead of hunting for new mapatasi); in younger men the testosterone levels bounce back fairly quickly, but with a man in his late 50s?

    A drop in testosterone means a drop in almost everything a prime minister needs: decisiveness, ruthlessness, strategic thinking, basic energy

    Add in Long Covid: et voila
    Well it wasn't my theory it was ***** *******'s theory.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    edited January 2022
    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Viagra (et al) solves most of these

    I think your first theory is better. He's Not Getting Any. For an alpha male used to a constant supply of *poontang*, that will be quite the challenge. Plus, it is well known that fathers of new-borns suffer a pretty calamitous drop in testosterone levels (probably an evolutionary device to make them stay home and look after the baby instead of hunting for new mapatasi); in younger men the testosterone levels bounce back fairly quickly, but with a man in his late 50s?

    A drop in testosterone means a drop in almost everything a prime minister needs: decisiveness, ruthlessness, strategic thinking, basic energy

    Add in Long Covid: et voila
    Nah. he's just a congenital liar.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Viagra (et al) solves most of these

    I think your first theory is better. He's Not Getting Any. For an alpha male used to a constant supply of *poontang*, that will be quite the challenge. Plus, it is well known that fathers of new-borns suffer a pretty calamitous drop in testosterone levels (probably an evolutionary device to make them stay home and look after the baby instead of hunting for new mapatasi); in younger men the testosterone levels bounce back fairly quickly, but with a man in his late 50s?

    A drop in testosterone means a drop in almost everything a prime minister needs: decisiveness, ruthlessness, strategic thinking, basic energy

    Add in Long Covid: et voila
    It's certainly a more interesting theory than the obvious of "the guy was always an incompetent fuckwit and then he got covid really badly".
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    “What ‘P’ is something that takes place every night in May in Downing Street?” https://twitter.com/mocent0/status/1481762175035351040/photo/1


  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    Maybe Boris is just shite.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Benpointer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Well done for remembering to slip 'apparently' in.
    Hey, I only take viagra to stop myself rolling out of bed.
    I did that.
    Unfortunately I pole vaulted out the window and woke up in a hedge.
    I had a similar experience.

    I woke up with my face in a bush, had gashes on my face, and all I can remember is snatches.

    [Ed - That's enough innuendoes]
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Viagra (et al) solves most of these

    I think your first theory is better. He's Not Getting Any. For an alpha male used to a constant supply of *poontang*, that will be quite the challenge. Plus, it is well known that fathers of new-borns suffer a pretty calamitous drop in testosterone levels (probably an evolutionary device to make them stay home and look after the baby instead of hunting for new mapatasi); in younger men the testosterone levels bounce back fairly quickly, but with a man in his late 50s?

    A drop in testosterone means a drop in almost everything a prime minister needs: decisiveness, ruthlessness, strategic thinking, basic energy

    Add in Long Covid: et voila
    Because he was such a decisive strategic thinker before.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    You might not care...But this is turning into a dreadful chapter for @TheSun It's deputy political editor James Slack caught up in the biggest political scandal of the moment and it's pretending nothing is happening. Utter loss of bottle.
    https://twitter.com/CharlieBeckett/status/1481762476521930753
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    Farooq said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    It's not bedtime if you're chucking Jägerbombs back in the basement. Lightweight.
    Bang the decks man, and slam the chasers, the Queen doesn't bury her husband for another couple of hours.
  • Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nobody wants to be a new Con leader in time to experience a shellacking in May's elections.

    So Boris Johnson is here to stay for the short term.

    Will the Tories do that badly in May's elections? I can see some very bad vote shares in northern metropolitan boroughs (e.g. worst ever vote share in Trafford) but I'm not sure they'll lose many seats and be able to spin a success if they hold their key flagship London councils such as Barnet, Wandsworth and Westminster. Sir NorfolkPassmore's prediction that the Tories will only lose 120 seats overall earlier might well be correct.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    edited January 2022
    FPT

    I must have somehow missed Disposable Coffee Cup Gate. Anyone care to refresh my memory?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    dixiedean said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Benpointer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Well done for remembering to slip 'apparently' in.
    Hey, I only take viagra to stop myself rolling out of bed.
    I did that.
    Unfortunately I pole vaulted out the window and woke up in a hedge.
    I had a similar experience.

    I woke up with my face in a bush, had gashes on my face, and all I can remember is snatches.

    [Ed - That's enough innuendoes]
    And do you really think you'd have been flown out before the doggies?

    Check Your Skin Colour.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Scott_xP said:

    You might not care...But this is turning into a dreadful chapter for @TheSun It's deputy political editor James Slack caught up in the biggest political scandal of the moment and it's pretending nothing is happening. Utter loss of bottle.
    https://twitter.com/CharlieBeckett/status/1481762476521930753

    Sounds like "loss of bottle" wasn't the issue.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    Viagra (et al) solves most of these

    I think your first theory is better. He's Not Getting Any. For an alpha male used to a constant supply of *poontang*, that will be quite the challenge. Plus, it is well known that fathers of new-borns suffer a pretty calamitous drop in testosterone levels (probably an evolutionary device to make them stay home and look after the baby instead of hunting for new mapatasi); in younger men the testosterone levels bounce back fairly quickly, but with a man in his late 50s?

    A drop in testosterone means a drop in almost everything a prime minister needs: decisiveness, ruthlessness, strategic thinking, basic energy

    Add in Long Covid: et voila
    You do know that women can be decisiveness, ruthless, strategic, and energetic, with much lower testosterone levels than men, right?
    Sure

    But I am right about testosterone and new fathers


    "Humans are probably the only species on Earth who nurture their young for 20 years or more. For men in particular, the intensive demands of parenting can come as such a shock that a built-in biological mechanism has evolved to help cope with the change. A new study shows that becoming a father leads to a sharp decline in testosterone, suggesting that although high levels of the hormone may help men win a mate, testosterone-fueled traits such as aggression and competition are less useful when it comes to raising children."


    https://www.science.org/content/article/fatherhood-decreases-testosterone

    "Aggression" and "competition" are really quite useful instincts in a PM. Bit of a disaster if you lose them
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Good headline from the Daily Star

    "The narcissist formerly known as Prince"

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1481755787336863744?s=20
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,632
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
    The funeral eve piss up is post departure of Cummings, by some margin.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    What I'd like to know, as someone who is generally supportive (from afar) of the Labour Party, is WHY did a Labour MP accept £420,000 in donations from someone connected with the Chinese Communist government?

    Sounds like a hell of a lot of "research" to me.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    DCMS minister Chris Philp: "I've only heard those reports in the last few minutes. I've not seen any suggestion in those reports that the Prime Minister was at those parties or was aware of them."

    #Newsnight https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1481741337951195136
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Gary_Burton said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nobody wants to be a new Con leader in time to experience a shellacking in May's elections.

    So Boris Johnson is here to stay for the short term.

    Will the Tories do that badly in May's elections? I can see some very bad vote shares in northern metropolitan boroughs (e.g. worst ever vote share in Trafford) but I'm not sure they'll lose many seats and be able to spin a success if they hold their key flagship London councils such as Barnet, Wandsworth and Westminster. Sir NorfolkPassmore's prediction that the Tories will only lose 120 seats overall earlier might well be correct.
    Yeah. Me too. Isn't the ideal set to crucify them.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Anabobazina said:

    FPT

    I must have somehow missed Disposable Coffee Cup Gate. Anyone care to refresh my memory?

    BoZo was drinking coffee from a disposable cup and a SPAD removed it for the photographers
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But memes like this might end Boris Johnson, but I think Boris Johnson is the new Gordon Brown, will limp until the electorate have their say.


    The question is whether the electorate having their say at 'midterms' in May this year will be enough or he limps on until 2024.

    I suggest marginal seat tories start looking at career options.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Anabobazina said:

    FPT

    I must have somehow missed Disposable Coffee Cup Gate. Anyone care to refresh my memory?

    Someone was caught drinking coffee? Scandalous when a suitcase of wine was available.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    rottenborough said:

    Labour trying to move argument on to Sue Gray is not independent judging by QT.

    Which is true. Her boss is the one she investigates

    Sue Gray / Grey Suits.

    Who will wield the knife?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    HYUFD said:

    For Boris to go, first there actually needs to probably be a photo of his partying in the lockdown. Second, there needs to be a consistent set of polling showing a Sunak led Tory party at least clearly ahead of Starmer Labour.

    At the moment neither apply. Even if there is a VONC of Tory MPs I think Boris wins it as I said it this morning about 55% to 45%

    Third And we asked this morning 55 45 based on what. Support has been so muted even from ministers. And in a secret ballot he won’t even have all the verbal supporters turning up. No one does.

    Second. In the real world, after the oxygen of publicity of a winning campaign, new pledges, promise of fresh start, a crown placed on head makes people seem special and different, the ancient fantasy polling you are quoting has long since been shredded. Truth is, in real world, act now new leader bounce times with May vote.

    First. It really doesn’t need a photo now. There’s already enough damage for enough letters, he’s just conned everyone into waiting for the report, buying himself a bit of time like mister mcawber thinking something might turn up.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited January 2022
    This latest allegation on the parties is the first from last year, so it's becoming more likely that there are others leaking in co-ordination with Cummings.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    Time to bid goodnight as PB turns into a certain sort of rather unseemly Gentleman's Club.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    MaxPB said:

    Farooq said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Leon said:

    FPT for TSE


    That's quite a plausible theory

    I have a few friends in their fifties who have high libidos but their post menopausal wives are no longer, ah, putting out. They aren't used to womanising (they have forgotten how to seduce or flirt) and whoring is too weird, strange or immoral for them

    Their decline is absolutely obvious. Lack of sex has turned them into sad mumbling hobos, a bit like Boris right now

    The other thing, Boris Johnson is 57, he might start developing 'performance issues', apparently that messes with a man's mind.
    I hear there is a pill for that these days. Given he has had two kids in 2 years, he definitely isnt firing blanks.
    All that really proves is that someone isn't firing blanks.
    Nah, we saw the picture of his son, no way he got that hair without being the spawn of Boris.
    Perhaps not. For maybe, as all babies with a face resemble the PM's hero, Winston, all hairy babies look like Boris?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited January 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Gary_Burton said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nobody wants to be a new Con leader in time to experience a shellacking in May's elections.

    So Boris Johnson is here to stay for the short term.

    Will the Tories do that badly in May's elections? I can see some very bad vote shares in northern metropolitan boroughs (e.g. worst ever vote share in Trafford) but I'm not sure they'll lose many seats and be able to spin a success if they hold their key flagship London councils such as Barnet, Wandsworth and Westminster. Sir NorfolkPassmore's prediction that the Tories will only lose 120 seats overall earlier might well be correct.
    Yeah. Me too. Isn't the ideal set to crucify them.
    Lots of opposition Tory groups will return depleted in numbers. Which is actually a bad thing for democracy, but won’t hit the headlines.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Not a glorious day for Britain to be honest.

    In hindsight what Sir Keir should have asked as his last question in PMQs yesterday was for the PM to confirm he was not aware of any more events.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    dixiedean said:

    Anabobazina said:

    FPT

    I must have somehow missed Disposable Coffee Cup Gate. Anyone care to refresh my memory?

    Someone was caught drinking coffee? Scandalous when a suitcase of wine was available.
    I should have known. Indeed I’m embarrassed even to have asked.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    Scott_xP said:

    Anabobazina said:

    FPT

    I must have somehow missed Disposable Coffee Cup Gate. Anyone care to refresh my memory?

    BoZo was drinking coffee from a disposable cup and a SPAD removed it for the photographers
    Right.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    Foxy said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
    The funeral eve piss up is post departure of Cummings, by some margin.
    As i have pointed out a number of times you don't have to be a genius to have a pretty good guess where some of the tip offs came from simply by looking at the two journaliats who get the major scoops.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    edited January 2022


    Live from Downing St.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But memes like this might end Boris Johnson, but I think Boris Johnson is the new Gordon Brown, will limp until the electorate have their say.


    The question is whether the electorate having their say at 'midterms' in May this year will be enough or he limps on until 2024.

    I suggest marginal seat tories start looking at career options.
    One of the planted questions yesterday began,
    "I recently visited a job centre in my constituency." ISTR.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    It is now almost certain that Putin will attempt to occupy at least parts of Ukraine very soon
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    TimS said:

    Not a glorious day for Britain to be honest.

    In hindsight what Sir Keir should have asked as his last question in PMQs yesterday was for the PM to confirm he was not aware of any more events.

    Well, e's going be denying all knowledge of these April 16 parties - "I was at Chequers".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Foxy said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
    The funeral eve piss up is post departure of Cummings, by some margin.
    As i have pointed out a number of times you don't have to be a genius to have a pretty good guess where some of the tip offs came from simply by looking at the two journaliats who get the major scoops.
    Go on?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Cyclefree said:

    pigeon said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    If my staff behaved this badly it would look bad on me and I'd be looking for a new job.

    What does it say about Boris Johnson that he employs people like this and never sacks them?

    Yes. I know directors who have been sacked for fostering a ludicrous party team atmosphere where everyone dicks about bringing the company into disrepute.
    An inquiry into lockdown parties in Downing Street, which could determine the fate of Boris Johnson, is expected to lay bare a “farcical” culture of drinking and impromptu socialising, with little oversight from senior officials, the Guardian understands.

    Whitehall sources said the investigation, overseen by the senior civil servant Sue Gray, was also likely to unearth other drinks events across government buildings as special advisers and officials were encouraged to “come clean” about breaches of lockdown rules.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/13/no-10-party-inquiry-will-reveal-farcical-culture-say-whitehall-sources
    That strongly suggests that there were parties at other government departments and therefore other Ministers potentially in the frame.

    Perhaps Ms Grey is asking the two questions I have been posting on here since yesterday -

    1. During lockdowns did they ever attend any social events or "work parties" or meetings at which alcoholic drinks were served at all at No 10 and, if so, how many and when?
    2. During lockdowns did they ever have any social events or "work parties" or meetings at which alcoholic drinks were served at their own departments and, if so, how many and when?
    3. Is this all a complete waste of time, given that the Government is clearly regarded as exempt from all the Covid shit it piled on (and continues to pile on) absolutely everyone else?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    Anabobazina said:

    dixiedean said:

    Anabobazina said:

    FPT

    I must have somehow missed Disposable Coffee Cup Gate. Anyone care to refresh my memory?

    Someone was caught drinking coffee? Scandalous when a suitcase of wine was available.
    I should have known. Indeed I’m embarrassed even to have asked.
    Did anyone see Boris Johnson holding a big pink penis in public?

    I have a video of it somewhere.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    “Have any of you changed your mind about voting Conservative?”

    Tonight’s audience give their views on the latest party revelations, and reveal how many are turning away from the Tories.

    Join us at 10.35pm on @BBCOne or watch live on the iPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone #bbcqt https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1481749136697401344/video/1
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Benpointer said:

    Good headline from the Daily Star

    "The narcissist formerly known as Prince"

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1481755787336863744?s=20

    Does this mean that he will replace the name "Andrew" with some weird, vaguely Old English symbol?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Anyway, I've thought about it, and my sense is that the politics of this...are bad. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/conservatives/2022/01/the-conservatives-cant-afford-to-look-this-ridiculous
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    rottenborough said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Foxy said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rottenborough said:

    Chris AddisonBlue heart
    @mrchrisaddison
    ·
    14m
    Anyway, whoever's leaking it all, please continue but could you stop doing it at bedtime? Thanks.

    They must have a good idea who is. The video from the zoom quiz it couldn't have been hard to narrow down who shot it.
    The funeral eve piss up is post departure of Cummings, by some margin.
    As i have pointed out a number of times you don't have to be a genius to have a pretty good guess where some of the tip offs came from simply by looking at the two journaliats who get the major scoops.
    Go on?
    The husband of Paul Brand works in the cabinet office.....given how regular these #10 events were I can't imagine it has never been mentioned.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    Northern_Al said:

    Time to bid goodnight as PB turns into a certain sort of rather unseemly Gentleman's Club.

    But wait. We are just about to post the big pink penis video 🤗
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    WhisperingOracle said:

    This latest allegation on the parties is the first from last year, so it's becoming more likely that there are others leaking in co-ordination with Cummings.

    I've just clocked that today's parties are April 2021 not 2020. Different Year, different lockdown.

    The Covid Years are all blurring into one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    MoonRabbit said:

    HYUFD said:

    For Boris to go, first there actually needs to probably be a photo of his partying in the lockdown. Second, there needs to be a consistent set of polling showing a Sunak led Tory party at least clearly ahead of Starmer Labour.

    At the moment neither apply. Even if there is a VONC of Tory MPs I think Boris wins it as I said it this morning about 55% to 45%

    Third And we asked this morning 55 45 based on what. Support has been so muted even from ministers. And in a secret ballot he won’t even have all the verbal supporters turning up. No one does.

    Second. In the real world, after the oxygen of publicity of a winning campaign, new pledges, promise of fresh start, a crown placed on head makes people seem special and different, the ancient fantasy polling you are quoting has long since been shredded. Truth is, in real world, act now new leader bounce times with May vote.

    First. It really doesn’t need a photo now. There’s already enough damage for enough letters, he’s just conned everyone into waiting for the report, buying himself a bit of time like mister mcawber thinking something might turn up.
    Brown and May got a brief poll bounce, even Kim Campbell did in Canada in 1993, for all the good it did them at election time
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,991
    edited January 2022
    Benpointer said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    This latest allegation on the parties is the first from last year, so it's becoming more likely that there are others leaking in co-ordination with Cummings.

    I've just clocked that today's parties are April 2021 not 2020. Different Year, different lockdown.

    The Covid Years are all blurring into one.
    Sounds like probably the same for lots of those working in #10....18 month freshers week.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,632
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    What I'd like to know, as someone who is generally supportive (from afar) of the Labour Party, is WHY did a Labour MP accept £420,000 in donations from someone connected with the Chinese Communist government?

    Sounds like a hell of a lot of "research" to me.

    It wasn't just Labour, it seems Christine Lee was very friendly with both May and Cameron, and also donated to Ed Davey.

    Money buys access in our political system. I am sure she isn't the only foreign agent buying access either.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    Foxy said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    What I'd like to know, as someone who is generally supportive (from afar) of the Labour Party, is WHY did a Labour MP accept £420,000 in donations from someone connected with the Chinese Communist government?

    Sounds like a hell of a lot of "research" to me.

    It wasn't just Labour, it seems Christine Lee was very friendly with both May and Cameron, and also donated to Ed Davey.

    Money buys access in our political system. I am sure she isn't the only foreign agent buying access either.
    Is there any political system where money doesn't buy access?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    “Johnson’s allies are increasingly confident that he can survive the report, which is due to be published at the end of next week” - ⁦the impeccably connected ⁦@Steven_Swinford⁩ reports https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1481765161061031950/photo/1

    I know they are following The Thick of It scripts, but this is Julius Nicolson's report into Steve Fleming now...
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Gallowgate said:

    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    It is now almost certain that Putin will attempt to occupy at least parts of Ukraine very soon

    No particular reputational downside if this doesn't happen, this is why people making confident predictions should have to lay bets.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Benpointer said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    This latest allegation on the parties is the first from last year, so it's becoming more likely that there are others leaking in co-ordination with Cummings.

    I've just clocked that today's parties are April 2021 not 2020. Different Year, different lockdown.

    The Covid Years are all blurring into one.
    Don't you find the same in your own life?

    I struggle to place various events between January 2020 and January 2022

    Some nice things happened but generally it is a blur of shock, horror and misery, and I sense my mind is already trying to dump all the memories in some mental bin

    And why not. If the plague is about to end I will be happy to forget two years of my life, if that is the price required
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    solarflare said:

    It's like a really weird new collective noun.

    A glaring of cats
    A shrewdness of apes
    A murder of crows
    A suitcase of wine.

    A BYOB Party of Tories.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    Well we're all rooting for him.....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    On eve of Friday April 16 2021, Britain was in period of public mourning. Union flags on Govt buildings hung at half mast to mark passing of Prince Philip. Country was in step 2 of strict lockdown. Indoor mixing wasn’t allowed ⁦@Telegraph⁩ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59989946
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706

    Jonathan Walker
    @jonwalker121
    I understand that the chairman and officers of Sutton Coldfield Conservative association tonight unanimously (10-0) passed a motion calling for Boris Johnson to stand down. This is a large association in a safe Tory seat - and they backed Boris in the leadership contest

    Jonathan Walker
    @jonwalker121
    ·
    1h
    Replying to
    @jonwalker121
    The meeting took place in a local curry house, the Bashundora. Local MP Andrew Mitchell was there but didn't take part in the vote. I'm told he advised them to wait for the Sue Gray report etc
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