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  • Anyone heard anything about the Chelsea v Liverpool game? Other than the 3 Covid cases earlier, has it been postponed?

    Was looking at placing a bet and the markets been completely suspended with that bookie, still seems to be open at other ones though.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 18,903



    I am actually starting a new job on Tuesday and it is very depressing havign to start it WFH with a laptop gettign sent etc . You dont start many new jobs in a career and was looking forward to bursting into a new office with new faces and introducing myself and getting to know new people. I am sorry but i find your posts (as a leader ) rather depressing on this subject and fear what society will become (more introverted ,cut-off from others issues and experiences and less fun)

    Fair enough, I've said enough about how I see it, and will try to rein it in. Good luck with the new job - I hope it's fun despite everything!
  • stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Certainly was unseasonably mild in London today - has been the last couple of days.

    I see my observations on WFH once again show me in the minority - I can only speak from my own experience and from those colleagues with whom I have spoken. We are all happy to be rid of the commute - we have started meeting once a month as a group in person.

    I can believe younger people miss the socialising of office life but the hybrid model doesn't remove it - going into the office 2-3 days as a pattern still allows for social interaction as do regular planned team meetings both virtual and in-person. It's a new way of working just as computers themselves changed how people worked (and before that the telephone).

    Adaptation is an integral part of the human experience - it's part of evolution. Circumstances change, environments change and we change and adapt to them.

    Now we are out of lockdown, I find I have huge problems motivating myself working from home. It was great when it was the most interesting thing I had to do and it kept me amused for 8 hours in the day. Now, not so much.

    It helps that my office is only 4 miles away and I could walk there if I felt like it (or run, if there were showers, which there aren't).

    What I would like is one day a week WFH, you can get all your household chores done in between working and then have the weekend free.
  • Scott_xP said:

    REST IN PEACE: Betty White, a legendary TV actress known for her iconic roles in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and "The Golden Girls," has died, according to multiple reports. She was 99. https://bit.ly/3pIp29T https://twitter.com/fox5dc/status/1477001597293060102/photo/1

    RIP.

    Like the Queen and Prince Philip she's another one who seemed like she both had been and would be around forever.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 21,096

    Scott_xP said:

    REST IN PEACE: Betty White, a legendary TV actress known for her iconic roles in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and "The Golden Girls," has died, according to multiple reports. She was 99. https://bit.ly/3pIp29T https://twitter.com/fox5dc/status/1477001597293060102/photo/1

    RIP.

    Like the Queen and Prince Philip she's another one who seemed like she both had been and would be around forever.
    Er, London Bridge isn't down yet is it?
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
    "Fuck lockdown".

    I like it. This is our cri de coeur for 2022!


  • Before it gets too blurry..

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 69,894
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    REST IN PEACE: Betty White, a legendary TV actress known for her iconic roles in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and "The Golden Girls," has died, according to multiple reports. She was 99. https://bit.ly/3pIp29T https://twitter.com/fox5dc/status/1477001597293060102/photo/1

    RIP.

    Like the Queen and Prince Philip she's another one who seemed like she both had been and would be around forever.
    Er, London Bridge isn't down yet is it?
    Hope not, we're getting a BH for her Plat Jubilee in June which we would miss out on..
  • Right. I have ranted enough for one year. Glad to see the back of 2021 frankly. I'm off to drink and to eat snacky new year type of things.

    Happy New Year everyone!

    Here's hoping 2022 is distinctly better.

  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
    "Fuck lockdown".

    I like it. This is our cri de coeur for 2022!


    Fuck Business Boris!
  • Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    REST IN PEACE: Betty White, a legendary TV actress known for her iconic roles in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and "The Golden Girls," has died, according to multiple reports. She was 99. https://bit.ly/3pIp29T https://twitter.com/fox5dc/status/1477001597293060102/photo/1

    RIP.

    Like the Queen and Prince Philip she's another one who seemed like she both had been and would be around forever.
    Er, London Bridge isn't down yet is it?
    Hope not, we're getting a BH for her Plat Jubilee in June which we would miss out on..
    I presume we would get a memorial weekend instead.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 39,709
    I feel that finishing the bottle of Blueberry Shine that I brought back from Kentucky and opened for the family at Xmas, is in order….
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 19,670

    Anyone heard anything about the Chelsea v Liverpool game? Other than the 3 Covid cases earlier, has it been postponed?

    Was looking at placing a bet and the markets been completely suspended with that bookie, still seems to be open at other ones though.

    Not sure 3 cases is enough for a postponement. Or anywhere near.
    But it is certainly something a killing could be made on with proper, inside info. So more likely that.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,120

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
    It amazing and somewhat depressing how many people are/have been blithe about lockdown when they don't live alone, haven't had their 20s smashed to pieces, don't have three toddlers and live on the 18th floor of a tower block, have their wages protected by their university while they work from their second home in Devon etc etc.

    Meanwhile, a guy in a mask lugs produce and fine wines to their door from his Waitrose van.
    I think a lockdown is ok if you have a seriously dangerous plague, like the omicrom plus Wuhan feb 2020 scenario mentioned earlier.

    But many 'experts' have come to see it as a convenient tool of behaviour management, and a method of managing the pressure on the NHS. I am thinking about the casualness in which iSage just recommend a 'circuit breaker'. It has an implied normality to it, like calling for a road closure or something.

    Lockdown has to come completely off the agenda.
  • dixiedean said:

    Anyone heard anything about the Chelsea v Liverpool game? Other than the 3 Covid cases earlier, has it been postponed?

    Was looking at placing a bet and the markets been completely suspended with that bookie, still seems to be open at other ones though.

    Not sure 3 cases is enough for a postponement. Or anywhere near.
    But it is certainly something a killing could be made on with proper, inside info. So more likely that.
    Yeah the markets reopened now and managed to get my bet on. I'm guessing they're going to suspend it if there's any rumours etc of key players getting infected.
  • Anyone heard anything about the Chelsea v Liverpool game? Other than the 3 Covid cases earlier, has it been postponed?

    Was looking at placing a bet and the markets been completely suspended with that bookie, still seems to be open at other ones though.

    Looks doubtful tonight but the premier league are very unpredictable on cancellations
  • I'm drinking strong red wine. Reading the scraps coming out of politicalbetting. And listening to Fantastic Negrito.

    I'd recommend all of that

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KhU75RkbYQ
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 69,894

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    REST IN PEACE: Betty White, a legendary TV actress known for her iconic roles in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and "The Golden Girls," has died, according to multiple reports. She was 99. https://bit.ly/3pIp29T https://twitter.com/fox5dc/status/1477001597293060102/photo/1

    RIP.

    Like the Queen and Prince Philip she's another one who seemed like she both had been and would be around forever.
    Er, London Bridge isn't down yet is it?
    Hope not, we're getting a BH for her Plat Jubilee in June which we would miss out on..
    I presume we would get a memorial weekend instead.
    Yes but we'll get that in a future year as well as this year's plat jubilee ;)
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,382
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
    Across my friend group, I would say there is a correlation between pro-Lockdown and size of garden.

    Correlation is not coruscation, and all that, but I do find it gauging when friends with guardians big enough to have a tennis court in there garden tell me lockdown is not that bad and WFH is great.
  • Just landed in New York. Taxiing to a stand.
    A new future awaits.

    Happy New Year PB!

    Good luck. I envy you in the latter years of my life.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 785
    edited December 2021
    Happy New Year everyone, hope each and every one of you has a wonderful New Year.

    It’s been a rough ride these past few years, and no doubt there’ll be a lot more disagreement over the next 12 months, and beyond, about how best we go forward.

    I think it’s important to remember that no matter how much we disagree with each other, really when it boils down to it we all want the world to be better. We may disagree stridently and vehemently as to how that will be achieved. And that is good, that has always happened, that’s humans.

    But the vast majority of us just want the best for ourselves and our families. (Edit - and everyone else!) Fundamentally, I think, we’re all good people. We might be snarky and short-tempered. Bolshy and snarky. Sarcastic and withering. Whatever. None of it really matters.

    Happy New Year! 😀😀😀
  • RobDRobD Posts: 57,209

    Just landed in New York. Taxiing to a stand.
    A new future awaits.

    Happy New Year PB!

    Good luck with the move. And enjoy the bureaucracy when it comes to visas etc!
  • I posted this earlier. I'd really like to know who likes this music. It's Fantastic Negrito live. I love it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KhU75RkbYQ
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 29,329

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
    It amazing and somewhat depressing how many people are/have been blithe about lockdown when they don't live alone, haven't had their 20s smashed to pieces, don't have three toddlers and live on the 18th floor of a tower block, have their wages protected by their university while they work from their second home in Devon etc etc.

    Meanwhile, a guy in a mask lugs produce and fine wines to their door from his Waitrose van.
    I'm unconvinced that's absolutely true.

    But if you're really worried about the former group of people, then there's something simple you can do to help them out without your concerns over lockdown:

    Pay more taxes.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    REST IN PEACE: Betty White, a legendary TV actress known for her iconic roles in "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" and "The Golden Girls," has died, according to multiple reports. She was 99. https://bit.ly/3pIp29T https://twitter.com/fox5dc/status/1477001597293060102/photo/1

    RIP.

    Like the Queen and Prince Philip she's another one who seemed like she both had been and would be around forever.
    Er, London Bridge isn't down yet is it?
    Hope not, we're getting a BH for her Plat Jubilee in June which we would miss out on..
    I presume we would get a memorial weekend instead.
    Yes but we'll get that in a future year as well as this year's plat jubilee ;)
    I'm hoping to be in Canada for it, hope they will be celebrating too
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    RobD said:

    Just landed in New York. Taxiing to a stand.
    A new future awaits.

    Happy New Year PB!

    Good luck with the move. And enjoy the bureaucracy when it comes to visas etc!
    Show Green Cards the red card?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 2,151

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
    It amazing and somewhat depressing how many people are/have been blithe about lockdown when they don't live alone, haven't had their 20s smashed to pieces, don't have three toddlers and live on the 18th floor of a tower block, have their wages protected by their university while they work from their second home in Devon etc etc.

    Meanwhile, a guy in a mask lugs produce and fine wines to their door from his Waitrose van.
    I'm unconvinced that's absolutely true.

    But if you're really worried about the former group of people, then there's something simple you can do to help them out without your concerns over lockdown:

    Pay more taxes.
    Not sure that's going to help poverty stricken delivery drivers. If the NI hike is anything to go by, the proceeds of any future tax rises will effectively be funnelled straight into the bank accounts of rich old people.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 19,670
    When should I start drinking as a run up to dry January?*

    * Any time before I go to bed isn't January.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 13,454
    edited December 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Questionable decision of the day: Germany closes 3 of its 6 nuclear power stations from tonight.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-powers-down-3-nuclear-plants/#:~:text=Germany's remaining three nuclear plants,," the environment ministry said.

    (Donated to PB)

    Those plants are old, were maintenance nightmares, and had appalling uptime levels (like sub 50% for the newer two, and something in the 20s for the one dating back to the 70s). Gundremmingen C in particular was a very old BWR model that RWE had long been begging for permission to close.

    The timing on the other two, though, is poor. Although the electrical generation for both is modest, I would have (if possible) delayed decomissioning for a year or two, if only to make sure that Hamburg LNG was built and operational.
    To me it would make sense to extend it for a few months until Nordstream 2 is resolved.
    I'm reminded of the Churchill quote: "Safety and certainty in oil lie in variety and variety alone."

    The same is true of natural gas. Every country - with a coastline - should have LNG import facilities.

    With this, the threat of reducing energy supplies is massively reduced.

    It reminds me of the 1970s: OPEC flexed their muscles, the price of oil went through the roof, and the world decided they didn't want to be utterly dependent on a few countries in the Middle East. Alaska and the North Sea were all developed in response to OPEC's price hike.

    This time it's the Russians flexing their muscles with the gas price.

    Two things will come out of this.

    Firstly, energy companies will enter into long term supply agreements with a variety of providers. A number of the UK guys got fat, lazy and rich by selling electricity at a long term fixed prices, while buying energy spot. They then all went spectacularly bust.

    Secondly, a metric shit tonne of LNG projects are going to be greenlighted. When I was running energy money, I would get gas companies in every week with plans for new LNG facilities. And you knew that 99% of them would never get funded: sure they had fields with gas, but who was going to fund the construction of LNG trains in Mozambique/Nigeria/PNG/etc without guaranteed long term sales contracts. Well... I think we know the answer to that now. I think there are a hundred energy companies across Europe who will be prepared to enter into multi-year guaranteed price contracts.

    I wonder if we will keep a field or two onstream? Or start a new one?

    Or not :smile:
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,120
    Happy New Year to all on here.

    As an aside, I found on Facebook this morning a video from one of those conspiracy theorists. Now, bear with me because apparently there is going to be a "global currency reset" on January 1st 2022. This is linked to storms in California, CNN turning on Joe Biden, the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, flooding in Malaysia and the Iraq National Bank closing for four days.

    After about five minutes of this undiluted bollocks, I'd had enough.

    It occurs to me those who swallow this unadulterated nonsense do so because, and I imagine the pandemic has intensified this, they are trying to make sense of the world. I get that - I consider myself a fairly rational person (my posts may not represent compelling evidence I grant you) and I appreciate there is almost a primal sense to try to understand what is going on and to make sense of it all but linking completely unrelated events into some vast global conspiracy - I think not.

    Those who get lured into the nonsense that is QAnon and similar are just trying to make sense of a chaotic world and are looking for some balancing order - the trouble is, there isn't any or rather the attempts to make order out of chaos become chaotic themselves.

    Easier to imagine some colossal shadowy elite manipulating events than to accept it's all just random chaos.

    As Basil Exposition and Austin Powers reminded us when trying to resolve the time travelling paradox between the second and third movies, don't bother.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 18,659

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Looking at the discussion about WFH and stuff.

    A colleague was telling me about his daughter last summer; she had gone through her first year of uni all online. She was doing really well and had won a scholarship to a summer school in Aalborg. So she was looking forward to going to Denmark for the summer and then the decision was made that it would be moved online. So she did summer school, as with the whole of the first year, from her bedroom in her parents house in Chester.

    Another thing I saw on linkedin; someone who had spent the first year and a half of her career entirely online. She sent in pictures from her first 'in-person' event and described it as a 'treat''. A 'treat' to be in a room with real people.

    It seems to me that this is at least partially being driven by an element of convenience on the part of employers and universities and driven by irrational fears about COVID on the part of older people. This is the trouble with the continuous waves of fear and panic, they will end up embedding this as the norm sweeping away everything that went before. The reality is that it suits older people who have had their 3-4 years of uni then a decade of partying or whatever.

    Younger people are missing out but the danger is that they don't know what they are missing out on, they get so accustomed to doing everything on screen; that they cannot deal with any other way of doing things.

    Well said. Us older people who realise this need to fight the fuckers that are happy to ruin the lives of the young from their fucking massive gardens
    Yep.

    Looks like we have a massive fight on our hands come next week and rest of 2022 to keep society and above all schools and universities open.

    No lockdown.
    Fuck lockdown, indeed. A new variant would have to be up there with bubonic plague before I will, personally, feel another lockdown is justified


    Family anecdote. A cousin of mine in Somerset is one of these smug Work-from-Homers. Late middle age, big house, massive garden, job easy to do from one of her many spare rooms

    For two years she has been blithe about more lockdowns, she positively enjoys them, and that is in part - if not mainly - because she has her three kids (and their partners) living nearby and so she has all the social life she needs, sees more of them than normal, hooray let's lockdown again

    But, suddenly, and due in various ways to Covid, her kids are all moving far away

    Suddenly lockdown is not so appealing when it is just going to be her and her spouse in a big empty house, and she has become anti-lockdown, because they are "wrong"

    I know we are all motivated by degrees of selfishness, but this personal handbrake turn is quite something to witness
    "Fuck lockdown".

    I like it. This is our cri de coeur for 2022!


    Fuck Business Boris!
    You voted for him you prat!
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,355
    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,120
    On a different subject; I am listening to music by 'at the end of times, nothing'.
    They are a post rock band in the vein of mogwai, sigur ros, explosions in the sky. I'd say that what they are producing is pretty much at the top end of this genre, which I like because it is just athmospheric and there are no lyrics, it is quite good for concentrating whilst WFH'ing, as well as to listen to in its own right.
    But for years they were completely anonymous. They just uploaded stuff and it got tens of thousands of listens and it was impossible to find out who they are. It is apparently a 43 year old guy in a town in Sweden.
    People keep saying that music has gone shit and no good records have come out for the last decade, but I take the view that lots of really good stuff has come out over the last few years. This is an example.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 22,196
    edited December 2021
    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,120


    It amazing and somewhat depressing how many people are/have been blithe about lockdown when they don't live alone, haven't had their 20s smashed to pieces, don't have three toddlers and live on the 18th floor of a tower block, have their wages protected by their university while they work from their second home in Devon etc etc.

    Meanwhile, a guy in a mask lugs produce and fine wines to their door from his Waitrose van.

    Perhaps one of the benefits of the pandemic has been to highlight the continued and growing inequities in our society not that we have the political or cultural will to do anything about them.

    The cost of housing is perhaps one place to start - if all you can afford is a small flat on the 18th floor of a tower block maybe we need to rethink the whole housing question but our imagination seems only to stretch to building more flats or little boxes.

    It never mattered much before - the point of having your little box was it was just a place to sleep and hang your clothes. Life happened outside your four walls and with the pandemic that changed fundamentally.

    Should the psychological consequences of restrictions have carried greater weight within policy making? Probably but the paramount consideration is and was the overall public health and that even trumped the economic health of the nation.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    Alistair said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
    I said IN MY COMMENT that the tweet was needlessly "designed to provoke". I said it was race-baiting. FFS. But the reality is race-baiting enough. It is anti-white racism turned into health policy

    Background reading


    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/new-york-is-using-race-to-determine

    Do more research before commenting, you moron
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    My cat would entirely agree. Fireworks by anybody are always second best to none from his point of view.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 29,329
    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    The best fireworks display I ever went to was one at Alton Towers in around 1992. I *think* it was a staff-and-families only affair, and I got a ticket via a friend who had worked there in the summer. It was a beautiful autumn evening, clear skies, with the castle in the background. We stood by the lake, and the fireworks were coming from the other side. The noise from the explosions were so loud that they felt almost like a physical force. magnificent. It was not just the fireworks; it was the setting and atmosphere.

    Second best was a wedding I went to in Shropshire, where both sets of parents were millionaires. Both families tried to outdo the other, and one had to organise a fireworks display. It ended up being a half-hour professional job.

    I love fireworks.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 29,329
    dixiedean said:

    When should I start drinking as a run up to dry January?*

    * Any time before I go to bed isn't January.

    The one year I tried Dry January, I ended up in hospital with meningitis on February 1st...

    Correlation != causation, but I don't feel like trying it again ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    stodge said:


    It amazing and somewhat depressing how many people are/have been blithe about lockdown when they don't live alone, haven't had their 20s smashed to pieces, don't have three toddlers and live on the 18th floor of a tower block, have their wages protected by their university while they work from their second home in Devon etc etc.

    Meanwhile, a guy in a mask lugs produce and fine wines to their door from his Waitrose van.

    Perhaps one of the benefits of the pandemic has been to highlight the continued and growing inequities in our society not that we have the political or cultural will to do anything about them.

    The cost of housing is perhaps one place to start - if all you can afford is a small flat on the 18th floor of a tower block maybe we need to rethink the whole housing question but our imagination seems only to stretch to building more flats or little boxes.

    It never mattered much before - the point of having your little box was it was just a place to sleep and hang your clothes. Life happened outside your four walls and with the pandemic that changed fundamentally.

    Should the psychological consequences of restrictions have carried greater weight within policy making? Probably but the paramount consideration is and was the overall public health and that even trumped the economic health of the nation.
    One reason that in both April 2020 and January 2021 we locked down far later than would have been optimal virologically was precisely because Johnson and several of his advisers thought it would be impossible for people to cope with lockdown unless it was kept as short as possible.

    So I’m not convinced that it needed to carry ‘greater weight.’ Just that only bad options were left and this was the least damaging at the time.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 69,894
    edited December 2021
    Alistair said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
    The Covid "meds" are definitely not outwith consequence with all the teratologic disclaimers on them. Which is ironic really given antivaxxers complaints about the vaccine, fertility and all.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,355
    edited December 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    My cat would entirely agree. Fireworks by anybody are always second best to none from his point of view.
    A few years ago we had a violent torrential typhoonlike bout of weather and my neighbor's cat (that had adopted me) rushed into my house and went limp (catatonic?) state. Holding it, it took some time to call it back.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 19,670
    edited December 2021

    dixiedean said:

    When should I start drinking as a run up to dry January?*

    * Any time before I go to bed isn't January.

    The one year I tried Dry January, I ended up in hospital with meningitis on February 1st...

    Correlation != causation, but I don't feel like trying it again ...
    Thanks for the pep talk...
    Where's the corkscrew?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    When should I start drinking as a run up to dry January?*

    * Any time before I go to bed isn't January.

    The one year I tried Dry January, I ended up in hospital with meningitis on February 1st...

    Correlation != causation, but I don't feel like trying it again ...
    Thanks for the pep talk...
    Where's the corkscrew?
    If you want to avoid meningitis, get and stay pissed?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    Toms said:

    ydoethur said:

    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    My cat would entirely agree. Fireworks by anybody are always second best to none from his point of view.
    A few years ago we had a violent torrential typhoonlike bout of weather and my neighbor's cat (that had adopted me) rushed into my house and went limp (a catatonic state?). Holding it, it took some time to call it back.
    If it was in a catatonic state, surely the correct course was to be gin with a lemon?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 39,709
    Toms said:

    ydoethur said:

    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    My cat would entirely agree. Fireworks by anybody are always second best to none from his point of view.
    A few years ago we had a violent torrential typhoonlike bout of weather and my neighbor's cat (that had adopted me) rushed into my house and went limp (catatonic?) state. Holding it, it took some time to call it back.
    He is risen.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    IanB2 said:

    Toms said:

    ydoethur said:

    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    My cat would entirely agree. Fireworks by anybody are always second best to none from his point of view.
    A few years ago we had a violent torrential typhoonlike bout of weather and my neighbor's cat (that had adopted me) rushed into my house and went limp (catatonic?) state. Holding it, it took some time to call it back.
    He is risen.
    I tell you, Easter gets earlier every year.
  • Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    The best fireworks display I ever went to was one at Alton Towers in around 1992. I *think* it was a staff-and-families only affair, and I got a ticket via a friend who had worked there in the summer. It was a beautiful autumn evening, clear skies, with the castle in the background. We stood by the lake, and the fireworks were coming from the other side. The noise from the explosions were so loud that they felt almost like a physical force. magnificent. It was not just the fireworks; it was the setting and atmosphere.

    Second best was a wedding I went to in Shropshire, where both sets of parents were millionaires. Both families tried to outdo the other, and one had to organise a fireworks display. It ended up being a half-hour professional job.

    I love fireworks.
    They used to do a firework competition over the lake near Brno, called Ignis Brunensis. I went one year, it was brilliant, if a bit poncy.

    The best one I ever went to was in Newcastle. They were celebrating the anniversary of Newcastle NSW, it was the middle of summer, over Exhibition Park I think. It was summer so light until late, they just made it loud. Very loud. The rich folk of Gosforth complained and they never did it again.

    The New Year's Eve fireworks by the Tyne Bridge can be good, both Newcastle and Gateshead slope significantly down to the River so it reverberates. London, in contrast, is relatively flat.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 22,196
    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
    I said IN MY COMMENT that the tweet was needlessly "designed to provoke". I said it was race-baiting. FFS. But the reality is race-baiting enough. It is anti-white racism turned into health policy

    Background reading


    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/new-york-is-using-race-to-determine

    Do more research before commenting, you moron
    And a happy new year to you too. You should unplug from your deranged rightwing outrage machine twitter feed every so often.

    So often you want people to "follow the science" and accept there are significant genetic differences between the races. Here is New York doing exactly what you ask and identified a racial risk factor and suddenly you are predicting race war.

    Odd that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324

    dixiedean said:

    When should I start drinking as a run up to dry January?*

    * Any time before I go to bed isn't January.

    The one year I tried Dry January, I ended up in hospital with meningitis on February 1st...

    Correlation != causation, but I don't feel like trying it again ...
    This is the WORST possible time to do "Dry January"

    If there was ever a winter when pubs, bars, caffs, hotels and restaurants need our custom, this is that winter

    This should be WET January. In fact it is our patriotic, economic, and Britannic duty to be drunk from now until Easter

    This may not be obvious, but I have already begun the task
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 16,431
    edited December 2021
    "The turn of the year is no cause for optimism
    Why do we have such an unerring ability to choose the wrong future?
    Peter Hitchens"

    https://unherd.com/2019/12/the-world-we-lost-will-never-return
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
    I said IN MY COMMENT that the tweet was needlessly "designed to provoke". I said it was race-baiting. FFS. But the reality is race-baiting enough. It is anti-white racism turned into health policy

    Background reading


    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/new-york-is-using-race-to-determine

    Do more research before commenting, you moron
    And a happy new year to you too. You should unplug from your deranged rightwing outrage machine twitter feed every so often.

    So often you want people to "follow the science" and accept there are significant genetic differences between the races. Here is New York doing exactly what you ask and identified a racial risk factor and suddenly you are predicting race war.

    Odd that.
    How are you going to prove there are genetically different races, you deluded leftwing microdicked halfwit?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    When should I start drinking as a run up to dry January?*

    * Any time before I go to bed isn't January.

    The one year I tried Dry January, I ended up in hospital with meningitis on February 1st...

    Correlation != causation, but I don't feel like trying it again ...
    This is the WORST possible time to do "Dry January"

    If there was ever a winter when pubs, bars, caffs, hotels and restaurants need our custom, this is that winter

    This should be WET January. In fact it is our patriotic, economic, and Britannic duty to be drunk from now until Easter

    This may not be obvious, but I have already begun the task
    You’re right, it isn’t obvious. We hadn’t noticed anything out of the ordinary. :smile:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 20,353
    Leon said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
    ...again.

    We all know you're a right-wing nutter. No point in trying to pretend otherwise.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938

    Leon said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
    ...again.

    We all know you're a right-wing nutter. No point in trying to pretend otherwise.
    I think that’s unfair. He’s only right wing when he’s drunk. That’s why he gets progressively more Trumpian as the evening progresses.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 19,670
    Youngest sent home from his bar job at 9 pm.
    Lack of customers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 21,159
    edited December 2021
    The Edinburgh Festival Fireworks has the best backdrop in the Country, with the fireworks being fired from the Castle and the Scottish Chamber Orchestra playing the music live below




    The musical coordination is superb. It is so often done really badly (like at the Battle Proms for example)

    It gets a bit sketchy when they try and do something 'clever' like use real church bells during the 1812, but they don't try that too often...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    I just made PROBABLY the best Goan fish curry in history

    Accompanied by this outstanding Malbec

    https://www.vivino.com/GB/en/ar-flechas-de-los-andes-gran-malbec/w/1136991?year=2015


    Turns out a spicy fish curry with a thumping Malbec just roCKS
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    Scott_xP said:

    The Edinburgh Festival Fireworks has the best backdrop in the Country, with the fireworks being fired from the Castle and the Scottish Chamber Orchestra playing the music live below




    The musical coordination is superb. It is so often done really badly (like at the Battle Proms for example)

    It gets a bit sketchy when they try and do something 'clever' like use real church bells during the 1812, but they don't try that too often...

    They must be pretty damn clever to play upside down. I’ve been a professional musician for thirty years and I’ve never even attempted that.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 16,007
    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
    ...again.

    We all know you're a right-wing nutter. No point in trying to pretend otherwise.
    I think that’s unfair. He’s only right wing when he’s drunk. That’s why he gets progressively more Trumpian as the evening progresses.
    You're quite quite wrong

    I more often lapse into pathetic leftwing sentimentality when drunk, and say nice things about the NHS, social welfare, those poor migrants, open the borders! O I miss the EU, give me a hug bruv, etc etc

    It's when I am sober, dry-eyed, and ruthlessly careerist, logical and sensible (ie before about 6pm) that I am more likely to be a hard-arsed rightwinger


    But that piece of Woke Lunacy from NYC is so outstandingly mad it cannot be ignored. Rationing of life-giving medicine by race. Insane. And it seems to be true. Trump is going to win, at a canter, if this continues
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,120
    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
    I said IN MY COMMENT that the tweet was needlessly "designed to provoke". I said it was race-baiting. FFS. But the reality is race-baiting enough. It is anti-white racism turned into health policy

    Background reading


    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/new-york-is-using-race-to-determine

    Do more research before commenting, you moron
    And a happy new year to you too. You should unplug from your deranged rightwing outrage machine twitter feed every so often.

    So often you want people to "follow the science" and accept there are significant genetic differences between the races. Here is New York doing exactly what you ask and identified a racial risk factor and suddenly you are predicting race war.

    Odd that.
    Its not about genetic or any other biological differences though. The policy is justified by reference to 'longstanding health and social inequalities' contributing to an 'increased risk of serious illness or death from COVID 19'. Presumably the reasoning is that you are more likely to be poor, have bad housing, smoke, be unhealthy, have a bad diet etc because of your race and experience of historic racism, and thus more likely to die of COVID.

    It is as Leon says a recruiting sargeant for D Trump or his successor. They can portray their mission to white people as being about tackling racism.


  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 16,007
    edited December 2021

    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    The best fireworks display I ever went to was one at Alton Towers in around 1992. I *think* it was a staff-and-families only affair, and I got a ticket via a friend who had worked there in the summer. It was a beautiful autumn evening, clear skies, with the castle in the background. We stood by the lake, and the fireworks were coming from the other side. The noise from the explosions were so loud that they felt almost like a physical force. magnificent. It was not just the fireworks; it was the setting and atmosphere.

    Second best was a wedding I went to in Shropshire, where both sets of parents were millionaires. Both families tried to outdo the other, and one had to organise a fireworks display. It ended up being a half-hour professional job.

    I love fireworks.
    They used to do a firework competition over the lake near Brno, called Ignis Brunensis. I went one year, it was brilliant, if a bit poncy.

    The best one I ever went to was in Newcastle. They were celebrating the anniversary of Newcastle NSW, it was the middle of summer, over Exhibition Park I think. It was summer so light until late, they just made it loud. Very loud. The rich folk of Gosforth complained and they never did it again.

    The New Year's Eve fireworks by the Tyne Bridge can be good, both Newcastle and Gateshead slope significantly down to the River so it reverberates. London, in contrast, is relatively flat.
    You get good, cheap rifles from Brno still. It's also where Mendel studied his bees or whatever it was he studied. Sweet peas?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    dixiedean said:

    Youngest sent home from his bar job at 9 pm.
    Lack of customers.

    In the Toon?

    That is sad. Camden is also eerily quiet

    Normally at this time on this evening it would be hammering, punchy and loud

    Let this be the last melancholy Christmas/New Year
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 16,431
    dixiedean said:

    Youngest sent home from his bar job at 9 pm.
    Lack of customers.

    Whereabouts, roughly?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
    Which bit of it? The efforts of Fawkes, the inspiration of Percy or the involvement of Salisbury?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
    ...again.

    We all know you're a right-wing nutter. No point in trying to pretend otherwise.
    I think that’s unfair. He’s only right wing when he’s drunk. That’s why he gets progressively more Trumpian as the evening progresses.
    You're quite quite wrong

    I more often lapse into pathetic leftwing sentimentality when drunk, and say nice things about the NHS, social welfare, those poor migrants, open the borders! O I miss the EU, give me a hug bruv, etc etc

    It's when I am sober, dry-eyed, and ruthlessly careerist, logical and sensible (ie before about 6pm) that I am more likely to be a hard-arsed rightwinger


    But that piece of Woke Lunacy from NYC is so outstandingly mad it cannot be ignored. Rationing of life-giving medicine by race. Insane. And it seems to be true. Trump is going to win, at a canter, if this continues
    So you only become Trumpian when you’re so drunk you forget what you’ve said?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 31,444
    dixiedean said:

    Youngest sent home from his bar job at 9 pm.
    Lack of customers.

    I went for after work drinks at the hospital pub with a colleague. Not even double figures of customers. I asked the (Scottish) landlady about her Burns Supper plans, but she thinks she might have to cancel.

    Rough times for the hospitality industry.
  • dixiedean said:

    Have we done this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/31/uk-governments-covid-advisers-enduring-tidal-waves-of-abuse

    This is totally unacceptable. Perhaps, if the government wanted to do something worthwhile to restore its faded popularity in 2022, a crackdown on abuse and threats, which a minority appear to have.grown accustomed to resorting to as their "right", could be one?
    Would have to be without fear or favour, mind, so probably not.

    This might illustrate both sides of the mental health problem, in a vicious circle.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    The best fireworks display I ever went to was one at Alton Towers in around 1992. I *think* it was a staff-and-families only affair, and I got a ticket via a friend who had worked there in the summer. It was a beautiful autumn evening, clear skies, with the castle in the background. We stood by the lake, and the fireworks were coming from the other side. The noise from the explosions were so loud that they felt almost like a physical force. magnificent. It was not just the fireworks; it was the setting and atmosphere.

    Second best was a wedding I went to in Shropshire, where both sets of parents were millionaires. Both families tried to outdo the other, and one had to organise a fireworks display. It ended up being a half-hour professional job.

    I love fireworks.
    They used to do a firework competition over the lake near Brno, called Ignis Brunensis. I went one year, it was brilliant, if a bit poncy.

    The best one I ever went to was in Newcastle. They were celebrating the anniversary of Newcastle NSW, it was the middle of summer, over Exhibition Park I think. It was summer so light until late, they just made it loud. Very loud. The rich folk of Gosforth complained and they never did it again.

    The New Year's Eve fireworks by the Tyne Bridge can be good, both Newcastle and Gateshead slope significantly down to the River so it reverberates. London, in contrast, is relatively flat.
    You get good, cheap rifles from Brno still. It's also where Mendel studied his bees or whatever it was he studied. Sweet peas?
    It's quite a pleasant city (as are most Czech cities to be honest, although a Czech friend once warned me off Ostrava as a "shithole" ). It was a good base to explore the battlefield of Austerlitz.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    darkage said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
    I said IN MY COMMENT that the tweet was needlessly "designed to provoke". I said it was race-baiting. FFS. But the reality is race-baiting enough. It is anti-white racism turned into health policy

    Background reading


    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/new-york-is-using-race-to-determine

    Do more research before commenting, you moron
    And a happy new year to you too. You should unplug from your deranged rightwing outrage machine twitter feed every so often.

    So often you want people to "follow the science" and accept there are significant genetic differences between the races. Here is New York doing exactly what you ask and identified a racial risk factor and suddenly you are predicting race war.

    Odd that.
    Its not about genetic or any other biological differences though. The policy is justified by reference to 'longstanding health and social inequalities' contributing to an 'increased risk of serious illness or death from COVID 19'. Presumably the reasoning is that you are more likely to be poor, have bad housing, smoke, be unhealthy, have a bad diet etc because of your race and experience of historic racism, and thus more likely to die of COVID.

    It is as Leon says a recruiting sargeant for D Trump or his successor. They can portray their mission to white people as being about tackling racism.


    It is also because black/Hispanic people are more likely to be obese and unvaxxed because whatever. So a white New Yorker who stayed thin and got the vaccine, like a good citizen, is now to be deprioritized for life-giving medicine because they did the right thing

    I am still trying to get my head around it, as it is so mad. I thought it was bollocks at first, but - unlike idiot PB lefties - I did some research. It appears to be true. Fuck me the American Left REALLY wants to lose
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 39,709
    edited December 2021
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
    ...again.

    We all know you're a right-wing nutter. No point in trying to pretend otherwise.
    I think that’s unfair. He’s only right wing when he’s drunk. That’s why he gets progressively more Trumpian as the evening progresses.
    You're quite quite wrong

    I more often lapse into pathetic leftwing sentimentality when drunk, and say nice things about the NHS, social welfare, those poor migrants, open the borders! O I miss the EU, give me a hug bruv, etc etc

    It's when I am sober, dry-eyed, and ruthlessly careerist, logical and sensible (ie before about 6pm) that I am more likely to be a hard-arsed rightwinger


    But that piece of Woke Lunacy from NYC is so outstandingly mad it cannot be ignored. Rationing of life-giving medicine by race. Insane. And it seems to be true. Trump is going to win, at a canter, if this continues
    You need a new watch, as well.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
    ...again.

    We all know you're a right-wing nutter. No point in trying to pretend otherwise.
    I think that’s unfair. He’s only right wing when he’s drunk. That’s why he gets progressively more Trumpian as the evening progresses.
    You're quite quite wrong

    I more often lapse into pathetic leftwing sentimentality when drunk, and say nice things about the NHS, social welfare, those poor migrants, open the borders! O I miss the EU, give me a hug bruv, etc etc

    It's when I am sober, dry-eyed, and ruthlessly careerist, logical and sensible (ie before about 6pm) that I am more likely to be a hard-arsed rightwinger


    But that piece of Woke Lunacy from NYC is so outstandingly mad it cannot be ignored. Rationing of life-giving medicine by race. Insane. And it seems to be true. Trump is going to win, at a canter, if this continues
    So you only become Trumpian when you’re so drunk you forget what you’ve said?
    Isn't that the definition of a Trumpian?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 16,007
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
    Which bit of it? The efforts of Fawkes, the inspiration of Percy or the involvement of Salisbury?
    Well, there's three separate conspiracy theories right there. My point is 1. I am not a conspiracy theorist (except for not falling for the NASA moon landing hoaxes obv) 2. I think on balance Epstein was murdered 3. It gives a free pass to people who want to murder people like Epstein if those suggesting that that is what they have done have to get over a "conspiracy theory" hurdle. The princes in the Tower were either murdered, or not. Why should one case vs the other be hampered by a silly label?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    It appears to be real

    http://www.mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf

    You know what? A combination of an inflation-ravaged American economy plus a Woke anti-white racist ideology in DC is the perfect petri dish to breed Trump 2.0

    Fuck, if I was a white American, looking at that (presuming it is true), I'd likely vote for Trump
    ...again.

    We all know you're a right-wing nutter. No point in trying to pretend otherwise.
    I think that’s unfair. He’s only right wing when he’s drunk. That’s why he gets progressively more Trumpian as the evening progresses.
    You're quite quite wrong

    I more often lapse into pathetic leftwing sentimentality when drunk, and say nice things about the NHS, social welfare, those poor migrants, open the borders! O I miss the EU, give me a hug bruv, etc etc

    It's when I am sober, dry-eyed, and ruthlessly careerist, logical and sensible (ie before about 6pm) that I am more likely to be a hard-arsed rightwinger


    But that piece of Woke Lunacy from NYC is so outstandingly mad it cannot be ignored. Rationing of life-giving medicine by race. Insane. And it seems to be true. Trump is going to win, at a canter, if this continues
    So you only become Trumpian when you’re so drunk you forget what you’ve said?
    Isn't that the definition of a Trumpian?
    Alarmingly, although all of them are extremely pissed, a large proportion appear to be sober.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 20,353
    Can someone remind me: Christina Pagel, is she on the physicus non grata list for the PB anti-lockdowners?

    Her thread is interesting if sombre. Safe to ignore or somehing to ponder?

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1476616293822390280?s=20
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    edited December 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
    Which bit of it? The efforts of Fawkes, the inspiration of Percy or the involvement of Salisbury?
    Well, there's three separate conspiracy theories right there. My point is 1. I am not a conspiracy theorist (except for not falling for the NASA moon landing hoaxes obv) 2. I think on balance Epstein was murdered 3. It gives a free pass to people who want to murder people like Epstein if those suggesting that that is what they have done have to get over a "conspiracy theory" hurdle. The princes in the Tower were either murdered, or not. Why should one case vs the other be hampered by a silly label?
    The difficulty here is that for Epstein to have been murdered the camera footage has to have been faked. Otherwise, it’s difficult to explain how access to actually kill him was achieved. Therefore, a conspiracy is needed to explain it.

    The fact that the two overworked guards who cocked up and failed to follow procedure have now in effect been given a slap on the wrist will lend weight to the idea that there is something fishy going on.

    Princes in the Tower is a bad counter example because a conspiracy theory is needed to explain how they were *not* murdered on Richard’s orders in July/August 1483 - either by their secret survival, or by somebody else gaining access to them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324

    IshmaelZ said:

    Toms said:

    2012 London fireworks: 2nd best to no one.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yLRK2M8YQ

    The best fireworks display I ever went to was one at Alton Towers in around 1992. I *think* it was a staff-and-families only affair, and I got a ticket via a friend who had worked there in the summer. It was a beautiful autumn evening, clear skies, with the castle in the background. We stood by the lake, and the fireworks were coming from the other side. The noise from the explosions were so loud that they felt almost like a physical force. magnificent. It was not just the fireworks; it was the setting and atmosphere.

    Second best was a wedding I went to in Shropshire, where both sets of parents were millionaires. Both families tried to outdo the other, and one had to organise a fireworks display. It ended up being a half-hour professional job.

    I love fireworks.
    They used to do a firework competition over the lake near Brno, called Ignis Brunensis. I went one year, it was brilliant, if a bit poncy.

    The best one I ever went to was in Newcastle. They were celebrating the anniversary of Newcastle NSW, it was the middle of summer, over Exhibition Park I think. It was summer so light until late, they just made it loud. Very loud. The rich folk of Gosforth complained and they never did it again.

    The New Year's Eve fireworks by the Tyne Bridge can be good, both Newcastle and Gateshead slope significantly down to the River so it reverberates. London, in contrast, is relatively flat.
    You get good, cheap rifles from Brno still. It's also where Mendel studied his bees or whatever it was he studied. Sweet peas?
    It's quite a pleasant city (as are most Czech cities to be honest, although a Czech friend once warned me off Ostrava as a "shithole" ). It was a good base to explore the battlefield of Austerlitz.
    Olomouc is an undiscovered GEM

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olomouc



    It has a genuinely world class art gallery (Cranach, Van Dyck, Brueghel, etc etc) hidden in an aristo estate just out of town/. Poignantly, many of the best paintings come from the collection of Charles 1 of England, sold by Cromwell. They should be in London

    https://www.zamek-kromeriz.cz/en/tours/chateau-gallery/

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 19,670
    @leon, @AndyJS

    Reply to you both together for convenience.
    It's in the rural NE. And it is the golf club. So not the youngest clientele imaginable.
    They had all ticket sold out 60 booked for dinner. That was down to 20 from cancellations, but the chef's got Rona. So that was off.
    However, there is only one other place to drink in the village so they thought they'd open anyway.
    Many fewer than a normal Friday night apparently...
    Desperate times as Foxy observes.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 2,151
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Youngest sent home from his bar job at 9 pm.
    Lack of customers.

    I went for after work drinks at the hospital pub with a colleague. Not even double figures of customers. I asked the (Scottish) landlady about her Burns Supper plans, but she thinks she might have to cancel.

    Rough times for the hospitality industry.
    One gains the impression that it may be very patchy. I know it's just one more anecdote, but I was going through town with a group from my running club about 7pm last night and went past one of the local restaurants, which has big plate glass windows so one can see the whole interior from the street. It was full. And the duty manager at our favourite place also suggested they'd been busy over Christmas when we went there for lunch earlier in the week.

    Perhaps things simply haven't been so bad in little towns like ours as they have been in the cities? I don't know.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 7,442

    Can someone remind me: Christina Pagel, is she on the physicus non grata list for the PB anti-lockdowners?

    Her thread is interesting if sombre. Safe to ignore or somehing to ponder?

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1476616293822390280?s=20

    Would have more weight if she hadn't called for lockdown and restrictions continually for the last 20 months. She has also wanted face masks in schools. She is not a teacher trying to teach kids.
    Her followers are for the most part sychophantic to a high degree. A psychologist would wonder if she gets off on the adulation.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 2,120
    edited December 2021
    Leon said:

    darkage said:

    Alistair said:

    Leon said:

    Alistair said:

    rpjs said:

    Leon said:

    This tweet is phrased to provoke, but it does not really need to. The underlying evidence is startling and insane enough


    In NYC they are rationing certain Covid medicines, and doing it by race, and discriminating against whites


    "NY State Department of Health warns they don't have enough Paxlovid or Monoclonal Antibody Treatment and white people need not apply. http://mssnyenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/122821_Notification_107774.pdf"

    Fucking madness. How to start a race war and get Trump elected. Aced it


    https://twitter.com/karol/status/1476735058824339457?s=20

    I call shenanigans on that until positively confirmed by a reliable source. And if it is true I would expect Kathy Hochul to stop it immediately.
    The screen shot they've put in the tweet says that being african american or Latino is an identified risk factor.

    It doesn't say white people should not apply. It is classic race baiting presentation beloved of race baiting shit stirrers that Leon "falls for" every time.
    I said IN MY COMMENT that the tweet was needlessly "designed to provoke". I said it was race-baiting. FFS. But the reality is race-baiting enough. It is anti-white racism turned into health policy

    Background reading


    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/new-york-is-using-race-to-determine

    Do more research before commenting, you moron
    And a happy new year to you too. You should unplug from your deranged rightwing outrage machine twitter feed every so often.

    So often you want people to "follow the science" and accept there are significant genetic differences between the races. Here is New York doing exactly what you ask and identified a racial risk factor and suddenly you are predicting race war.

    Odd that.
    Its not about genetic or any other biological differences though. The policy is justified by reference to 'longstanding health and social inequalities' contributing to an 'increased risk of serious illness or death from COVID 19'. Presumably the reasoning is that you are more likely to be poor, have bad housing, smoke, be unhealthy, have a bad diet etc because of your race and experience of historic racism, and thus more likely to die of COVID.

    It is as Leon says a recruiting sargeant for D Trump or his successor. They can portray their mission to white people as being about tackling racism.


    It is also because black/Hispanic people are more likely to be obese and unvaxxed because whatever. So a white New Yorker who stayed thin and got the vaccine, like a good citizen, is now to be deprioritized for life-giving medicine because they did the right thing

    I am still trying to get my head around it, as it is so mad. I thought it was bollocks at first, but - unlike idiot PB lefties - I did some research. It appears to be true. Fuck me the American Left REALLY wants to lose
    Many educated people never let go of their reflexive sense that the left are essentially good and right, and continually give them the benefit of the doubt.
    But the reality is that they make mistakes, and this appears to be a pretty bad one.

  • Busy in this pub NW London.

    Happy New Year to all PB participants 👍
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938

    Can someone remind me: Christina Pagel, is she on the physicus non grata list for the PB anti-lockdowners?

    Her thread is interesting if sombre. Safe to ignore or somehing to ponder?

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1476616293822390280?s=20

    She has always called for longer and harder lockdowns on the basis of her mathematical models showing huge numbers of fatalities if we don’t.

    The snag is the only one of her models that we can compare to real world data - the one on the effects of removing restrictions last July - was wrong by the small matter of 130%.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 31,444
    pigeon said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Youngest sent home from his bar job at 9 pm.
    Lack of customers.

    I went for after work drinks at the hospital pub with a colleague. Not even double figures of customers. I asked the (Scottish) landlady about her Burns Supper plans, but she thinks she might have to cancel.

    Rough times for the hospitality industry.
    One gains the impression that it may be very patchy. I know it's just one more anecdote, but I was going through town with a group from my running club about 7pm last night and went past one of the local restaurants, which has big plate glass windows so one can see the whole interior from the street. It was full. And the duty manager at our favourite place also suggested they'd been busy over Christmas when we went there for lunch earlier in the week.

    Perhaps things simply haven't been so bad in little towns like ours as they have been in the cities? I don't know.
    Just patchy everywhere I think. Mrs Foxy has been down on the Island visiting family, and had booked for 25 persons on the 27th at a popular dining pub. On the night they were the only party.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 16,007
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
    Which bit of it? The efforts of Fawkes, the inspiration of Percy or the involvement of Salisbury?
    Well, there's three separate conspiracy theories right there. My point is 1. I am not a conspiracy theorist (except for not falling for the NASA moon landing hoaxes obv) 2. I think on balance Epstein was murdered 3. It gives a free pass to people who want to murder people like Epstein if those suggesting that that is what they have done have to get over a "conspiracy theory" hurdle. The princes in the Tower were either murdered, or not. Why should one case vs the other be hampered by a silly label?
    The difficulty here is that for Epstein to have been murdered the camera footage has to have been faked. Otherwise, it’s difficult to explain how access to actually kill him was achieved. Therefore, a conspiracy is needed to explain it.

    The fact that the two overworked guards who cocked up and failed to follow procedure have now in effect been given a slap on the wrist will lend weight to the idea that there is something fishy going on.

    Princes in the Tower is a bad counter example because a conspiracy theory is needed to explain how they were *not* murdered on Richard’s orders in July/August 1483 - either by their secret survival, or by somebody else gaining access to them.
    OK you got me there. Any theory which requires camera footage to be faked in 2017 can be laughed out of court, the technology doesn't exist. Dunno how you'd even start.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938

    Can someone remind me: Christina Pagel, is she on the physicus non grata list for the PB anti-lockdowners?

    Her thread is interesting if sombre. Safe to ignore or somehing to ponder?

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1476616293822390280?s=20

    Would have more weight if she hadn't called for lockdown and restrictions continually for the last 20 months. She has also wanted face masks in schools. She is not a teacher trying to teach kids.
    Her followers are for the most part sychophantic to a high degree. A psychologist would wonder if she gets off on the adulation.
    Not just psychologists:

    https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2504
  • LeonLeon Posts: 19,324
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
    Which bit of it? The efforts of Fawkes, the inspiration of Percy or the involvement of Salisbury?
    Well, there's three separate conspiracy theories right there. My point is 1. I am not a conspiracy theorist (except for not falling for the NASA moon landing hoaxes obv) 2. I think on balance Epstein was murdered 3. It gives a free pass to people who want to murder people like Epstein if those suggesting that that is what they have done have to get over a "conspiracy theory" hurdle. The princes in the Tower were either murdered, or not. Why should one case vs the other be hampered by a silly label?
    Ditto "lab leak"

    The phrase "conspiracy theory" is now wielded by anyone who is frightened of a perfectly plausible theory which upsets their political beliefs. It is exactly the phrase used in the original Daszak letter to the Lancet which tried - successfully, for a year - to squash any discussion - literally any debate - about the idea the virus might have come from the Wuhan labs. For at least a year Facebook and Twitter deleted any debate that mentioned this possible explanation. Quite astonishing. And we still think we have Free Speech? We do not

    FWIW I have pondered the Epstein case quite hard, and looked at all the evidence (in an amateur way) and my conclusions are this, in order of likelihood


    1, He committed suicide, but he was intensely pressured to do so (threats to family? friends?) and he was told there would be a couple of hours when he was able: guards "asleep", cameras "turned off", suicide watch "suspended" (it was meant to be 24/7)

    2. He was murdered (as you believe, and fair enough)

    and at a long long distance

    3. The supposed version we are meant to believe: he killed himself without any intervention from the authorities and it is all just coincidence that the guards went into a coma as he did it


    3 is about as likely as the Wet Market
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 20,353
    How have the Germans managed to get their cases to come down so rapidly in the past month?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 44,685
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
    Which bit of it? The efforts of Fawkes, the inspiration of Percy or the involvement of Salisbury?
    Well, there's three separate conspiracy theories right there. My point is 1. I am not a conspiracy theorist (except for not falling for the NASA moon landing hoaxes obv) 2. I think on balance Epstein was murdered 3. It gives a free pass to people who want to murder people like Epstein if those suggesting that that is what they have done have to get over a "conspiracy theory" hurdle. The princes in the Tower were either murdered, or not. Why should one case vs the other be hampered by a silly label?
    Would you like to guess approximately how many conspiracy theorists identify themselves thus?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 47,938
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Conspiracy theorists are actually going to go mad:

    Jeffrey Epstein: Charges dropped against prison guards who falsified records
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59839724

    Are believers in the Gunpowder Plot conspiracy theorists?
    Which bit of it? The efforts of Fawkes, the inspiration of Percy or the involvement of Salisbury?
    Well, there's three separate conspiracy theories right there. My point is 1. I am not a conspiracy theorist (except for not falling for the NASA moon landing hoaxes obv) 2. I think on balance Epstein was murdered 3. It gives a free pass to people who want to murder people like Epstein if those suggesting that that is what they have done have to get over a "conspiracy theory" hurdle. The princes in the Tower were either murdered, or not. Why should one case vs the other be hampered by a silly label?
    The difficulty here is that for Epstein to have been murdered the camera footage has to have been faked. Otherwise, it’s difficult to explain how access to actually kill him was achieved. Therefore, a conspiracy is needed to explain it.

    The fact that the two overworked guards who cocked up and failed to follow procedure have now in effect been given a slap on the wrist will lend weight to the idea that there is something fishy going on.

    Princes in the Tower is a bad counter example because a conspiracy theory is needed to explain how they were *not* murdered on Richard’s orders in July/August 1483 - either by their secret survival, or by somebody else gaining access to them.
    OK you got me there. Any theory which requires camera footage to be faked in 2017 can be laughed out of court, the technology doesn't exist. Dunno how you'd even start.
    You’re missing the point. The point is that faking the camera footage of an empty corridor requires a conspiracy. On the part of the camera operators, guards, technicians…

    And such conspiracies are explained by ‘conspiracy theories.’

    Doesn’t mean it’s impossible it happened. It’s just somewhat less likely than the obvious - that Epstein strangled himself and an awful lot of time was wasted and confusion caused by the guards trying to cover up that they were asleep on duty.
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