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  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited December 2021
    Gas futures up at £3.50/therm.

    ~12p/kWh

    April’s energy price cap rise is gonna hurt
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,149

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Three of the four great offices of State - the Prime Minister, the Home Office and the Chancellor of the Exchequor - are occupied by people of below average height (for their sex).

    Given politics tends to be dominated by the tall, this is really quite extraordinary.

    I'm surprised that the Foreign Secretary isn't below average too?
    He is below average, but I don't see what that's got to do with his height.
    He??? Is Liz Truss identifying as male?

    No doubt we can expect a header about it.....
    I'm an idiot. I thought Raab was still FS. Apologies
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Alistair said:

    We're jist a picture of Sunak at his holiday home away from a total implosion.

    We aren't as there is no lockdown and no ban on foreign travel, just negative tests required before and after to avoid isolation
    Im sure pub, hotel, restaurant and venue owners share your level headed appreciation for what is allowed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    edited December 2021
    Anecdata here of London millenials getting clobbered by it ( @MaxPB , @Correcthorsebattery) ties in with @Malmesbury data.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400

    @dixiedean Sending you my very best wishes mate. Hope you feel better soon.

    Thanks mate. I really don't get this prevent infections or support the economy binary.
    Makes no sense to me.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Philip is going off the deep end with this anti COVID stuff

    I'm not anti-Covid.

    I'm anti-restrictions. I'm quite fine to live with Covid, since we have vaccines rolled out. I got my third jab this morning.
    I'm positive now and self-isolating. I am not going to go on the bus and give it to people.
    And do you think that magically means the people on the bus are never going to get it from anyone else? That's it, Covid is over because you stayed at home?

    Its my view you shouldn't have to self-isolate. The virus is going to spread either way. Trying to contain its spread is doing more harm than it spreading.

    If all you've got is like the common cold, then you should treat it no differently to how you'd have acted in the past with the common cold.
    Thank you Doctor.
    The point is well made though. We have had tens of thousands of deaths per year from "flu and pneumonia".

    Asian tourists aside I don't remember people not getting the bus or anyone wearing masks previously.
    Maybe if they had done, fewer people would have died?
    Maybe so. But no one was crying out for fewer deaths so we must assume that was a price people were willing to pay.
    Or that we had imperfect knowledge.

    I hate masks as much as anyone, but I think we do have to consider the possibility that the Asians were onto something with the idea that basic consideration for others implies you should wear one if you think you might be infectious, eg on public transport, and that now that we know it's potentially a life saving intervention, we should follow suit.
    You could catch the flu from someone who had it? This was not commonly known?

    We knew it hence the flu jab and no one decided you wear a mask.
    No; I meant it wasn't generally known that you could substantially reduce the risk of transmitting it by wearing a mask.
    Seriously?
    OK, "known" is the wrong word. What I'm shooting for is something like "before the pandemic, people with flu-like symptoms didn't actively consider whether it would be courteous to wear a mask on public transport, to prevent others from catching whatever it was they already had. The reason for this was that it wasn't in our cultural awareness to do so. Now, it very much is, because of Covid, and maybe that should transfer across to ordinary (non-life-threatening) flu and colds, as a continuing matter of courtesy to those who aren't sick, from those who might be infectious".

    I don't necessarily agree with this, and obviously our mutual friend Mr Thompson has transformed into William Wallace on this issue, but I think it's worth considering - honestly, it's hard to construct an argument against it that doesn't sound unutterably selfish.
    My take on this is that we do not, as a rule, want to promote the kind of society that bullies people over what they choose to wear. And I certainly reject the notion that the whole population should be made to shuffle around in masks forevermore, just in case they are asymptomatic carriers of this, that or the other respiratory illness.

    What we should, however, do is end the culture of presenteeism and discourage people from leaving home if they are obviously unwell with these sorts of illnesses - or, if they do really need to go out, e.g. for essential groceries or medical appointments, then that would be the appropriate kind of occasion for mask use.

    Preferably a medical grade mask though, if they can afford it, rather than a stupid piece of blue paper or something made out of a recycled pillowcase.
  • Just had an email from our energy company. Elect KWh price going up again in Jan. Going up a lot ≈ 10p a Kwh.

    I thought there was a cap now until April?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1471509748604309523

    Very encouraging but let's all isolate and keep safe if we catch it

    The Omanflu variant.
    I’d better stay well away from Omanis then.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Late afternoon all :)

    The Christmas spirit starting to move in with an early finish as most local councils have already closed for Christmas - that one's for you @NerysHughes

    Amongst the blizzard of nonsense, the most interesting information seems to be the extent to which previous infection increases immunity. If I read @MaxPB's comments earlier, the people with most protection are those with three doses AND infection.

    Those with just three doses and no infection rank fourth.

    My only thought is for how long does immunity through infection last? Am I seriously to believe if you had Covid in April 2020 you are still enjoying a degree of immunity? Even those who had Delta early this year - are they still somehow enjoying some immunity?

    The corollary of this would seem to be the Government's actions last spring in preventing further transmission via restrictions (successful at the time of course) have been slightly counter productive because most people were able to avoid the virus completely and, through vaccination, millions have continued to escape the virus. That leaves a bigger potential pool especially those who have had one dose or no dose.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    17 windows smashed in a vaccine centre in St Asaph

    A 58 year old male has been arrested

    I just cannot start to understand the mentality of these people

    There's a joke in there somewhere about Bill Gates and unintended side effects.

    Seriously though, that's shocking. Hope it doesn't disrupt the vaccinations too much.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    maaarsh said:

    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.

    Fall in Gauteng so steep that for the whole country cases only barely rose. Good chance they will be falling on a national total level tomorrow.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    maaarsh said:

    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.

    It fits with my theory that there are many people with Omicron that are not being detected, for various reasons, but including being asymptomatic or thinking it is a cold. If so Omicron could help accelerate the end of the pandemic. Fingers crossed!
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.

    Fall in Gauteng so steep that for the whole country cases only barely rose. Good chance they will be falling on a national total level tomorrow.
    Further confirming this point, nationwide positivity rate down on yesterday 30.9% vs 32.2%
  • pingping Posts: 3,805

    Just had an email from our energy company. Elect KWh price going up again in Jan. Going up a lot ≈ 10p a Kwh.

    I thought there was a cap now until April?

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2021/12/martin-lewis--even-the-cheapest-deals-are-more-than-double-than-/
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Pro_Rata said:

    First signs of the rate of change of growth decelerating in London (in that 14/12 Vs 7/12 isn't, yet, a bigger jump than 13/12 Vs 6/12)

    Growth rates for all London with the addition of more 13/12 cases stand at:

    All London: 138% week on week growth (13/12 Vs 6/12)
    Zone 1: 222% week on week growth (more than trebling).

    Omicron Vs Delta status in UK:

    Omicron exclusive strain: Nowhere
    Omicron major strain: Inner London
    Omicron soon to become major strain: Outer London
    Omicron switchover possibly underway: Central Scotland, West Essex, Manchester city
    Delta remains dominant: elsewhere

    See if I can spot anything else in @Malmesbury blue chart.

    No, not going to call Omicron switchover definite anywhere beyond London yet.

    Broxbourne, Epping, Central Belt and Manchester staying on watchlist.

    The Islands I'm not going to call due to the tyranny of all numbers - they swing from one extreme of the R chart to another like SeanT on a Friday night.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited December 2021
    Inflation is an absolute killer for any government poll ratings. Things like energy bills and petrol prices are things that everybody notices.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    edited December 2021
    AlistairM said:

    maaarsh said:

    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.

    It fits with my theory that there are many people with Omicron that are not being detected, for various reasons, but including being asymptomatic or thinking it is a cold. If so Omicron could help accelerate the end of the pandemic. Fingers crossed!
    Of course, we've had the same idea with previous variants and it has turned out to be nonsense.

    It does seem a lot more plausible this time, although presumably the ONS will pick this up if it is true?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    South African hospital bed occupied rose from 7,300 yesterday to 7,600 today.

    With cases hitting national peak more or less now, can expect that to continue to rise for about a week.

    For comparison, RSA has ~120k hospital beds, so a very similar scale comparison to UK.

    Looks a long shot for covid to occupy more than 10% of hospital beds, vs the nearly 30% we had in the UK last Jan.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    AlistairM said:

    maaarsh said:

    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.

    It fits with my theory that there are many people with Omicron that are not being detected, for various reasons, but including being asymptomatic or thinking it is a cold. If so Omicron could help accelerate the end of the pandemic. Fingers crossed!
    Of course, we've had the same idea with previous variants and it has turned out to be nonsense.

    It does seem a lot more plausible this time, although presumably the ONS will pick this up if it is true?
    ONS data lag is roughly the same size as the time taken for an Omicron wave to go from 0 to peak, so it's going to be too late to make any difference.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Alistair said:

    We're jist a picture of Sunak at his holiday home away from a total implosion.

    Or finding out he travelled there on the family private jet…….!! Would be very amusing.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    Inflation is an absolute killer for any government poll ratings. Things like energy bills and petrol prices are things that everybody notices.

    Will be nice to get a pay rise though.

    My benchmark of what a good job earns was set as a child, and now, so now I feel much better off and more senior than I really am.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    maaarsh said:

    AlistairM said:

    maaarsh said:

    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.

    It fits with my theory that there are many people with Omicron that are not being detected, for various reasons, but including being asymptomatic or thinking it is a cold. If so Omicron could help accelerate the end of the pandemic. Fingers crossed!
    Of course, we've had the same idea with previous variants and it has turned out to be nonsense.

    It does seem a lot more plausible this time, although presumably the ONS will pick this up if it is true?
    ONS data lag is roughly the same size as the time taken for an Omicron wave to go from 0 to peak, so it's going to be too late to make any difference.
    Yes, I understand it won't help to make decisions, but it will eventually come out one way or another.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    ping said:

    North Shropshire

    Betfair

    Con 2/2.02
    Ld 1.97/2.02
    Lab 210/390

    I really thought the Lib Dems would be 1.33 now.

    I should hammer them but the price is putting me off which I know is daft.
    Nobody should be hammering anything. It's a 50/50 chance and nobody know which side is the value.
    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874

    Inflation is an absolute killer for any government poll ratings. Things like energy bills and petrol prices are things that everybody notices.

    Oddly enough, petrol price at my local Tesco's has fallen 4p in the past week.

    Presumably, softer oil prices suggesting the great post-pandemic boom has run its course and we're back to the new economic normal.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    First signs of the rate of change of growth decelerating in London (in that 14/12 Vs 7/12 isn't, yet, a bigger jump than 13/12 Vs 6/12)

    Growth rates for all London with the addition of more 13/12 cases stand at:

    All London: 138% week on week growth (13/12 Vs 6/12)
    Zone 1: 222% week on week growth (more than trebling).

    Omicron Vs Delta status in UK:

    Omicron exclusive strain: Nowhere
    Omicron major strain: Inner London
    Omicron soon to become major strain: Outer London
    Omicron switchover possibly underway: Central Scotland, West Essex, Manchester city
    Delta remains dominant: elsewhere

    See if I can spot anything else in @Malmesbury blue chart.

    No, not going to call Omicron switchover definite anywhere beyond London yet.

    Broxbourne, Epping, Central Belt and Manchester staying on watchlist.

    The Islands I'm not going to call due to the tyranny of all numbers - they swing from one extreme of the R chart to another like SeanT on a Friday night.
    Ms S says crossover in Scotland tomorrow, BTW.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19789123.nicola-sturgeon-update-today---first-minister-day-unscheduled-announcement/
  • Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Philip is going off the deep end with this anti COVID stuff

    I'm not anti-Covid.

    I'm anti-restrictions. I'm quite fine to live with Covid, since we have vaccines rolled out. I got my third jab this morning.
    I'm positive now and self-isolating. I am not going to go on the bus and give it to people.
    And do you think that magically means the people on the bus are never going to get it from anyone else? That's it, Covid is over because you stayed at home?

    Its my view you shouldn't have to self-isolate. The virus is going to spread either way. Trying to contain its spread is doing more harm than it spreading.

    If all you've got is like the common cold, then you should treat it no differently to how you'd have acted in the past with the common cold.
    Thank you Doctor.
    The point is well made though. We have had tens of thousands of deaths per year from "flu and pneumonia".

    Asian tourists aside I don't remember people not getting the bus or anyone wearing masks previously.
    Maybe if they had done, fewer people would have died?
    Maybe so. But no one was crying out for fewer deaths so we must assume that was a price people were willing to pay.
    Or that we had imperfect knowledge.

    I hate masks as much as anyone, but I think we do have to consider the possibility that the Asians were onto something with the idea that basic consideration for others implies you should wear one if you think you might be infectious, eg on public transport, and that now that we know it's potentially a life saving intervention, we should follow suit.
    You could catch the flu from someone who had it? This was not commonly known?

    We knew it hence the flu jab and no one decided you wear a mask.
    No; I meant it wasn't generally known that you could substantially reduce the risk of transmitting it by wearing a mask.
    Seriously?
    OK, "known" is the wrong word. What I'm shooting for is something like "before the pandemic, people with flu-like symptoms didn't actively consider whether it would be courteous to wear a mask on public transport, to prevent others from catching whatever it was they already had. The reason for this was that it wasn't in our cultural awareness to do so. Now, it very much is, because of Covid, and maybe that should transfer across to ordinary (non-life-threatening) flu and colds, as a continuing matter of courtesy to those who aren't sick, from those who might be infectious".

    I don't necessarily agree with this, and obviously our mutual friend Mr Thompson has transformed into William Wallace on this issue, but I think it's worth considering - honestly, it's hard to construct an argument against it that doesn't sound unutterably selfish.
    Was William Wallace known for spreading viruses on buses?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    North Koreans have been banned from showing any sign of happiness for 11 days in order to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the death of Kim Jong-il.

    The restrictions include an explicit ban on laughter and alcohol during the 11-day period of mourning. On the exact anniversary of Kim Jong-il’s death, December 17, North Koreans will even be banned from going grocery shopping.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/16/north-korea-bans-laughing-11-days-mourning-10th-anniversary/
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    IanB2 said:

    ping said:

    North Shropshire

    Betfair

    Con 2/2.02
    Ld 1.97/2.02
    Lab 210/390

    I really thought the Lib Dems would be 1.33 now.

    I should hammer them but the price is putting me off which I know is daft.
    Nobody should be hammering anything. It's a 50/50 chance and nobody know which side is the value.
    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.
    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Endillion said:

    TOPPING said:

    Philip is going off the deep end with this anti COVID stuff

    I'm not anti-Covid.

    I'm anti-restrictions. I'm quite fine to live with Covid, since we have vaccines rolled out. I got my third jab this morning.
    I'm positive now and self-isolating. I am not going to go on the bus and give it to people.
    And do you think that magically means the people on the bus are never going to get it from anyone else? That's it, Covid is over because you stayed at home?

    Its my view you shouldn't have to self-isolate. The virus is going to spread either way. Trying to contain its spread is doing more harm than it spreading.

    If all you've got is like the common cold, then you should treat it no differently to how you'd have acted in the past with the common cold.
    Thank you Doctor.
    The point is well made though. We have had tens of thousands of deaths per year from "flu and pneumonia".

    Asian tourists aside I don't remember people not getting the bus or anyone wearing masks previously.
    Maybe if they had done, fewer people would have died?
    Maybe so. But no one was crying out for fewer deaths so we must assume that was a price people were willing to pay.
    Or that we had imperfect knowledge.

    I hate masks as much as anyone, but I think we do have to consider the possibility that the Asians were onto something with the idea that basic consideration for others implies you should wear one if you think you might be infectious, eg on public transport, and that now that we know it's potentially a life saving intervention, we should follow suit.
    You could catch the flu from someone who had it? This was not commonly known?

    We knew it hence the flu jab and no one decided you wear a mask.
    No; I meant it wasn't generally known that you could substantially reduce the risk of transmitting it by wearing a mask.
    Seriously?
    OK, "known" is the wrong word. What I'm shooting for is something like "before the pandemic, people with flu-like symptoms didn't actively consider whether it would be courteous to wear a mask on public transport, to prevent others from catching whatever it was they already had. The reason for this was that it wasn't in our cultural awareness to do so. Now, it very much is, because of Covid, and maybe that should transfer across to ordinary (non-life-threatening) flu and colds, as a continuing matter of courtesy to those who aren't sick, from those who might be infectious".

    I don't necessarily agree with this, and obviously our mutual friend Mr Thompson has transformed into William Wallace on this issue, but I think it's worth considering - honestly, it's hard to construct an argument against it that doesn't sound unutterably selfish.
    Was William Wallace known for spreading viruses on buses?
    He certainly liked to have the freedom to ride around without Westminster interfering.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747

    AlistairM said:

    maaarsh said:

    Latest Johannesberg cases data out.

    Fell 30% yesterday week on week.

    Today is fell 43%.

    Once this thing peaks it drops away very quickly - unsurprising given how quickly it peaks.

    It fits with my theory that there are many people with Omicron that are not being detected, for various reasons, but including being asymptomatic or thinking it is a cold. If so Omicron could help accelerate the end of the pandemic. Fingers crossed!
    Of course, we've had the same idea with previous variants and it has turned out to be nonsense.

    It does seem a lot more plausible this time, although presumably the ONS will pick this up if it is true?
    Michael Levitt reckons that each wave like for like has a reduced severity of about 6 times. Which makes sense, as prior immunity kicks in at a population level. Sounds like Omnicron is going to brush up against the immune systems of almost everybody very quickly, filling in the naive immune systems (for better or worse) and broadening the protection of the rest of us.

    Can you imagine if this is the version that had leaked from the lab though. Now that would've been a cluster.

    Personally I think Leon is wrong to sell his shares, if there's a correction the bounce back could be brutally quick. I have taken his statement seriously because he made me a fortune in March 2020 but having reflected for 24 hrs, if anything I think this is now the beginning of the end of the pandemic.
  • Today's omicron porn has been published.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041833/20211216_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf

    Key highlights is that for 13/14 December Omicron in London was over 70% of cases.
    Doubling rate in almost all regions was under 2 days.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    Today's omicron porn has been published.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041833/20211216_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf

    Key highlights is that for 13/14 December Omicron in London was over 70% of cases.
    Doubling rate in almost all regions was under 2 days.

    Good. If they're not minded to put more restrictions in place pre-xmas, then they might as well not bother as it's going to have peaked by then and we can get back to our lives.
  • stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    ping said:

    North Shropshire

    Betfair

    Con 2/2.02
    Ld 1.97/2.02
    Lab 210/390

    I really thought the Lib Dems would be 1.33 now.

    I should hammer them but the price is putting me off which I know is daft.
    Nobody should be hammering anything. It's a 50/50 chance and nobody know which side is the value.
    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.
    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    I think the lib dems can relax and enjoy their moment tomorrow

    I just cannot see anything but a very good win for them
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited December 2021
    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    ping said:

    North Shropshire

    Betfair

    Con 2/2.02
    Ld 1.97/2.02
    Lab 210/390

    I really thought the Lib Dems would be 1.33 now.

    I should hammer them but the price is putting me off which I know is daft.
    Nobody should be hammering anything. It's a 50/50 chance and nobody know which side is the value.
    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.
    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    In all of those the LibDems were in a clear two-horse contest from the outset.

    The political backdrop has of course been exceptionally favourable - but it hangs on what one might call the Big_G factor - whether all the disgruntled Tories have got it off their chest moaning to canvassers and journalists and once in the polling booth will revert to type.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    OT. "Uncool Britannia. Has the UK lost its Global appeal?"

    They had a poll and something like 97% of Advertising Agencies and ancillary services were 'Remainers'. As a considerable contributor to invisible earnings this article is significant. It's not the Hartlipudlians who are keeping our creaking economy afloat

    https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/uncool-britannia-uk-lost-its-global-appeal/1735874?bulletin=campaign_creativity_bulletin&utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=eNews Bulletin&utm_source=20211216&utm_content=Campaign Creativity Fix (105)::www_campaignlive_co_uk_ar_3&email_hash=
  • IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    ping said:

    North Shropshire

    Betfair

    Con 2/2.02
    Ld 1.97/2.02
    Lab 210/390

    I really thought the Lib Dems would be 1.33 now.

    I should hammer them but the price is putting me off which I know is daft.
    Nobody should be hammering anything. It's a 50/50 chance and nobody know which side is the value.
    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.
    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    In all of those the LibDems were in a clear two-horse contest from the outset.

    The political backdrop has of course been exceptionally favourable - but it hangs on what one might call the Big_G factor - whether all the disgruntled Tories have got it off their chest moaning to canvassers and journalists and once in the polling booth will revert to type.
    As I have said I would vote Lib Dem with the hope the 1922 would do the right thing in response
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Inflation is an absolute killer for any government poll ratings. Things like energy bills and petrol prices are things that everybody notices.

    April is going to be the fulcrum point. Sunak better hope his feet are firmly under the No10 table by then.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited December 2021
    It's all just theatre.. watching the @Telegraph live feed of the latest press conference, no masks, chatting away 15mins pre start.. 1min to go, masks on.. 😁🤦 https://t.co/5b1CtvogLQ

    🚨 | NEW: Robert Peston sits maskless speaking for 15 minutes to fellow hacks before the presser. He only put it on when the press conference began, when he was meant to be filmed

    https://t.co/R3FyA4G3b6

    Oddly @Peston after coughing out loud, then theatrically asked a question about people not sticking to the rules... 😁🤦 You can't make this stuff up 🤡 https://t.co/7czswOmkmJ
  • It's all just theatre.. watching the @Telegraph live feed of the latest press conference, no masks, chatting away 15mins pre start.. 1min to go, masks on.. 😁🤦 https://t.co/5b1CtvogLQ

    🚨 | NEW: Robert Peston sits maskless speaking for 15 minutes to fellow hacks before the presser. He only put it on when the press conference began, when he was meant to be filmed

    https://t.co/R3FyA4G3b6

    Oddly @Peston after coughing out loud, then theatrically asked a question about people not sticking to the rules... 😁🤦 You can't make this stuff up 🤡 https://t.co/7czswOmkmJ
    What is that about one rule for them ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,149
    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    ping said:

    North Shropshire

    Betfair

    Con 2/2.02
    Ld 1.97/2.02
    Lab 210/390

    I really thought the Lib Dems would be 1.33 now.

    I should hammer them but the price is putting me off which I know is daft.
    Nobody should be hammering anything. It's a 50/50 chance and nobody know which side is the value.
    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.
    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    In all of those the LibDems were in a clear two-horse contest from the outset.

    The political backdrop has of course been exceptionally favourable - but it hangs on what one might call the Big_G factor - whether all the disgruntled Tories have got it off their chest moaning to canvassers and journalists and once in the polling booth will revert to type.
    And as I have said before, it may also depend on how many voted postally before the Borishambles.
  • rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    A true giant among pygmies, eh?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:


    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.

    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    In all of those the LibDems were in a clear two-horse contest from the outset.

    The political backdrop has of course been exceptionally favourable - but it hangs on what one might call the Big_G factor - whether all the disgruntled Tories have got it off their chest moaning to canvassers and journalists and once in the polling booth will revert to type.
    You say that but in both Hodge Hill and Brent East the LDs started from third. Both seats were held by the party in Government and in neither did the Conservative vote fall that much - 2% in Brent East and 2.7% in Hodge Hill.

    Brent East was won with a 28.9% swing and Hodge Hill lost despite a 26.7% swing.

    The key to North Shropshire will be the degree to which the LDs can squeeze the Labour vote. Labour got 22% in 2019 - getting that down to 5% would be crucial in getting over the Conservative mountain of a majority.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    The Christmas spirit starting to move in with an early finish as most local councils have already closed for Christmas - that one's for you @NerysHughes

    Amongst the blizzard of nonsense, the most interesting information seems to be the extent to which previous infection increases immunity. If I read @MaxPB's comments earlier, the people with most protection are those with three doses AND infection.

    Those with just three doses and no infection rank fourth.

    My only thought is for how long does immunity through infection last? Am I seriously to believe if you had Covid in April 2020 you are still enjoying a degree of immunity? Even those who had Delta early this year - are they still somehow enjoying some immunity?

    The corollary of this would seem to be the Government's actions last spring in preventing further transmission via restrictions (successful at the time of course) have been slightly counter productive because most people were able to avoid the virus completely and, through vaccination, millions have continued to escape the virus. That leaves a bigger potential pool especially those who have had one dose or no dose.

    Yeah, I was surprised last night that he rated prior infection so highly, it's why I thought people would find it interesting here. He didn't mention any timeframe, but did say the model was specific to an Alpha or Delta infection and severe symptoms for Omicron.

    I don't think so on the latter point of preventing transmission early on, it would simply have toppled healthcare services and left us all in a really bad place with people dying simply because the NHS wouldn't have been able to cope with everyone needing treatment at the same time. I still fully believe that the March 2020 first lockdown was necessary.

    On the group of people with one dose or no dose with no infection, yes, that's the big risk factor IMO, the two dose people will be fairly easy to convince to get a third one which will give them good enough immunity. We've both said it, there's just a real lack of urgency around getting people into the next step of vaccines, either their first or second dose. There's a lot of easy to capture people who have had just a single dose that could be convinced to get their second and a few harder to reach people who have had no vaccines that could be convinced by someone who speaks their own language or whatever to get jabbed. I don't think saying they can't go to football matches or nightclubs will convince a 78 year old Bangladeshi woman in Tower Hamlets that getting the vaccine is a good idea.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    edited December 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    Isn't it also a major aberration to the norm that in politics, tallest wins?

    Although as Boris appointed three of them, it may be the height equivalent of Boris playing the "If you want to look thin, hang around fat people" idea...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited December 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    "Mr Sunak is 5' 7"?

    What scale are you using?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:


    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.

    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    In all of those the LibDems were in a clear two-horse contest from the outset.

    The political backdrop has of course been exceptionally favourable - but it hangs on what one might call the Big_G factor - whether all the disgruntled Tories have got it off their chest moaning to canvassers and journalists and once in the polling booth will revert to type.
    You say that but in both Hodge Hill and Brent East the LDs started from third. Both seats were held by the party in Government and in neither did the Conservative vote fall that much - 2% in Brent East and 2.7% in Hodge Hill.

    Brent East was won with a 28.9% swing and Hodge Hill lost despite a 26.7% swing.

    The key to North Shropshire will be the degree to which the LDs can squeeze the Labour vote. Labour got 22% in 2019 - getting that down to 5% would be crucial in getting over the Conservative mountain of a majority.
    And if they do, then SKS will have to resign!
  • IshmaelZ said:

    North Koreans have been banned from showing any sign of happiness for 11 days in order to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the death of Kim Jong-il.

    The restrictions include an explicit ban on laughter and alcohol during the 11-day period of mourning. On the exact anniversary of Kim Jong-il’s death, December 17, North Koreans will even be banned from going grocery shopping.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/16/north-korea-bans-laughing-11-days-mourning-10th-anniversary/

    If you live in North Korea it is probably quite easy to avoid showing happiness at any time.

    As for grocery shopping, is there anything in the shops to buy?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    .
    Northstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    A true giant among pygmies, eh?
    In the cabinet of shortarses, the biggest arse is king…
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Even the Trump's are getting in on NFTs now....

    https://twitter.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/1471468919810670603?s=20

    What the fuck is going on with that apostrophe.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213

    IshmaelZ said:

    North Koreans have been banned from showing any sign of happiness for 11 days in order to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the death of Kim Jong-il.

    The restrictions include an explicit ban on laughter and alcohol during the 11-day period of mourning. On the exact anniversary of Kim Jong-il’s death, December 17, North Koreans will even be banned from going grocery shopping.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/16/north-korea-bans-laughing-11-days-mourning-10th-anniversary/

    If you live in North Korea it is probably quite easy to avoid showing happiness at any time.

    As for grocery shopping, is there anything in the shops to buy?
    Did you get released yet from your hotel prison?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    "Mr Sunak is 5' 7"?

    What scale are you using?
    5'6" I am reading

    Also, Johnson allegedly appoints tall mps to the treasury as part of the War against Sunak

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10053193/Is-Boris-Johnson-unleashing-Big-Beasts-make-5ft-6in-Rishi-Sunak-feel-small.html
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    maaarsh said:

    Today's omicron porn has been published.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041833/20211216_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf

    Key highlights is that for 13/14 December Omicron in London was over 70% of cases.
    Doubling rate in almost all regions was under 2 days.

    Good. If they're not minded to put more restrictions in place pre-xmas, then they might as well not bother as it's going to have peaked by then and we can get back to our lives.
    If there's not a dramatic volte face over restrictions come the previously trailed review date on Saturday 18th, then that has to be it until after Christmas: not enough time to clamp down, on top of which I suspect that the Government realises that most people won't pay attention to instructions not to see their families for a second festive season on the bounce in any event.

    The enormous tsunami of cases that will likely be precipitated by a week-and-a-bit of relatively light touch regulation, followed by all those Christmas dinners, may well mean that the virus ends up being so widespread as well as transmissible that lockdown is useless against it.

    It may end up being a case simply of crossing our fingers and hoping that Omicron doesn't put too many people in hospital at the same time, because there'll be little of value that can be done to slow its progress.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    TOPPING said:

    Even the Trump's are getting in on NFTs now....

    https://twitter.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/1471468919810670603?s=20

    What the fuck is going on with that apostrophe.
    Not to mention that question mark.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:


    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.

    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    In all of those the LibDems were in a clear two-horse contest from the outset.

    The political backdrop has of course been exceptionally favourable - but it hangs on what one might call the Big_G factor - whether all the disgruntled Tories have got it off their chest moaning to canvassers and journalists and once in the polling booth will revert to type.
    You say that but in both Hodge Hill and Brent East the LDs started from third. Both seats were held by the party in Government and in neither did the Conservative vote fall that much - 2% in Brent East and 2.7% in Hodge Hill.

    Brent East was won with a 28.9% swing and Hodge Hill lost despite a 26.7% swing.

    The key to North Shropshire will be the degree to which the LDs can squeeze the Labour vote. Labour got 22% in 2019 - getting that down to 5% would be crucial in getting over the Conservative mountain of a majority.
    And if they do, then SKS will have to resign!
    Yes! I demanded Blair's head after Oaten won Winchester in 1997 too.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,145

    maaarsh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Three of the four great offices of State - the Prime Minister, the Home Office and the Chancellor of the Exchequor - are occupied by people of below average height (for their sex).

    Given politics tends to be dominated by the tall, this is really quite extraordinary.

    I'm sure having a short male prime minister has nothing to do with it.

    But I'm in favour anyway - tall people are far more likely to be over promoted and cock things up, even if this particular set of short stacks are all useless too.
    Napoleon was reputed to be a smaller man. He also appears to have been fairly adept at politics and war...
    He didn't notice it because Nelson was only 5'4".


  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    pigeon said:

    maaarsh said:

    Today's omicron porn has been published.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041833/20211216_OS_Daily_Omicron_Overview.pdf

    Key highlights is that for 13/14 December Omicron in London was over 70% of cases.
    Doubling rate in almost all regions was under 2 days.

    Good. If they're not minded to put more restrictions in place pre-xmas, then they might as well not bother as it's going to have peaked by then and we can get back to our lives.
    If there's not a dramatic volte face over restrictions come the previously trailed review date on Saturday 18th, then that has to be it until after Christmas: not enough time to clamp down, on top of which I suspect that the Government realises that most people won't pay attention to instructions not to see their families for a second festive season on the bounce in any event.

    The enormous tsunami of cases that will likely be precipitated by a week-and-a-bit of relatively light touch regulation, followed by all those Christmas dinners, may well mean that the virus ends up being so widespread as well as transmissible that lockdown is useless against it.

    It may end up being a case simply of crossing our fingers and hoping that Omicron doesn't put too many people in hospital at the same time, because there'll be little of value that can be done to slow its progress.
    Yep, think we're there already, I'm just hoping we don't get token damaging measures to pad the defense folder for the inquiry.
  • Nations league

    Italy Germany England and Hungary in group A
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    How's turnout looking in NS - any reports?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,145
    TimS said:


    Up to 8cm of snow lying across the South Midlands and into the SE. 18cm in parts of central Wales.

    At least they'll all not remember.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    "Mr Sunak is 5' 7"?

    What scale are you using?
    5'6" I am reading

    Also, Johnson allegedly appoints tall mps to the treasury as part of the War against Sunak

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10053193/Is-Boris-Johnson-unleashing-Big-Beasts-make-5ft-6in-Rishi-Sunak-feel-small.html
    Utterledley bizzare post mk2.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Raab only 5'9 apparently. How tall is Javid ?

    We are governed by dwarves !
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    How's turnout looking in NS - any reports?

    Absolubtely shit I reckon
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    "Mr Sunak is 5' 7"?

    What scale are you using?
    5'6" I am reading

    Also, Johnson allegedly appoints tall mps to the treasury as part of the War against Sunak

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10053193/Is-Boris-Johnson-unleashing-Big-Beasts-make-5ft-6in-Rishi-Sunak-feel-small.html
    Utterledley bizzare post mk2.
    Sorry, should have said Roman Catholic Johnson and Hindu Sunak cos of how relevant that is
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Carnyx said:

    TOPPING said:

    Even the Trump's are getting in on NFTs now....

    https://twitter.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/1471468919810670603?s=20

    What the fuck is going on with that apostrophe.
    Not to mention that question mark.
    Interesting you mention that. I read somewhere by someone literary that question marks are redundant because it is implied by the sentence and hence to use them is clumsy and crass.

    I'm glad you noticed that I didn't use one because I try not to use them at all now.

    I hope also you note a concomitant improvement in the literary flair and verve of my posts.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    "Mr Sunak is 5' 7"?

    What scale are you using?
    5'6" I am reading

    Also, Johnson allegedly appoints tall mps to the treasury as part of the War against Sunak

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10053193/Is-Boris-Johnson-unleashing-Big-Beasts-make-5ft-6in-Rishi-Sunak-feel-small.html
    Utterledley bizzare post mk2.
    Sorry, should have said Roman Catholic Johnson and Hindu Sunak cos of how relevant that is
    Well there's little about region that matters.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,296
    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    Johnson picking a cabinet to make himself look tall?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    Man Utd down to 7 first team players

    And their last 5 million fans in London
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    edited December 2021
    No DCL, Richarlison, Townsend, Digne and probably no Coleman v Chelsea tonight.
    Benitez should have ensured the rest got COVID.
    Instead of dicking about playing football games.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    IshmaelZ said:

    North Koreans have been banned from showing any sign of happiness for 11 days in order to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the death of Kim Jong-il.

    The restrictions include an explicit ban on laughter and alcohol during the 11-day period of mourning. On the exact anniversary of Kim Jong-il’s death, December 17, North Koreans will even be banned from going grocery shopping.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/16/north-korea-bans-laughing-11-days-mourning-10th-anniversary/

    If you live in North Korea it is probably quite easy to avoid showing happiness at any time.

    As for grocery shopping, is there anything in the shops to buy?
    Actually, showing happiness is generally a requirement.
  • rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    Johnson picking a cabinet to make himself look tall?
    Ha ha, that is so plausible.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Family dropping like flies, sister now got a faint line on her LFT, Xmas dinner now planned for the 26th. No symptoms yet.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    JUST IN: Senior Tories think they have lost North Shropshire.

    Hopes of a strongish Labour showing splitting the anti-Tory votes have evaporated, sources say.

    Usual caveats of expectation management etc but those I've spoken to sound like someone has pissed on their chips.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1471542007961198598
  • dixiedean said:

    No DCL, Richarlison, Townsend, Digne and probably no Coleman v Chelsea tonight.
    Benitez should have ensured the rest got COVID.
    Instead of dicking about playing football games.

    No Van Dijk tonight due to Covid-19 according to well placed sources.

    Time to bet on the barcodes winning tonight.
  • rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    Johnson picking a cabinet to make himself look tall?
    It is certainly a cabinet full of tall stories if not tall ministers.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Scott_xP said:
    As @Mexicanpete pointed out below - if the Tories think things are bad now wait until April / May when everyone sees their next payslip with the NI deduction, a reduced pay increase due to the Employer NI increase and their new gas / electricity bills.

    Oh and a hefty council tax increase.
  • rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    "Mr Sunak is 5' 7"?

    What scale are you using?
    OO.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As someone pointed out earlier, I messed up with who the Foreign Secretary is.

    It turns out all four holders of the Great Offices of State are below the average height for their sexes.

    Both Ms Truss and Ms Patel are 5'3, against an average of 5ft 4.7in.

    While Mr Sunak is 5'7, and Mr Johnson is 5'9, both shorter than the average of 5'10.

    I do believe this is a first.

    Johnson picking a cabinet to make himself look tall?
    Well we already know there’s a reason why the stupid ones are there.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    I know somebody has linked to this before, but I reckon this is pretty sharp campaigning from Labour - Sunak in a hammock enjoying California......

    https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1471479648055930883

    And for those complaining it's trivial etc.- yes, absolutely it is, almost from the Dom playbook. But Sunak lives by the photoshoot, so I reckon it's fair game. Truss next.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:
    As @Mexicanpete pointed out below - if the Tories think things are bad now wait until April / May when everyone sees their next payslip with the NI deduction, a reduced pay increase due to the Employer NI increase and their new gas / electricity bills.

    Oh and a hefty council tax increase.
    Let's not forget any variable rate mortgages also.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    dixiedean said:

    No DCL, Richarlison, Townsend, Digne and probably no Coleman v Chelsea tonight.
    Benitez should have ensured the rest got COVID.
    Instead of dicking about playing football games.

    No Van Dijk tonight due to Covid-19 according to well placed sources.

    Time to bet on the barcodes winning tonight.
    As @Gallowgate can confirm we need the points (however we get them).
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    Scott_xP said:
    Tories seemed to have settled around 32% but that was before Sunak was found to be living it up on a Californian beach while interest rates went up for only the third time in ten years.

    Is anyone in government interested in their day job?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    TOPPING said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:
    As @Mexicanpete pointed out below - if the Tories think things are bad now wait until April / May when everyone sees their next payslip with the NI deduction, a reduced pay increase due to the Employer NI increase and their new gas / electricity bills.

    Oh and a hefty council tax increase.
    Let's not forget any variable rate mortgages also.
    I suspect it will take a fair few base rate increases for it to really impact variable rates to the point people notice.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    IanB2 said:


    The chatter in LibDem circles seems to have turned positive the last day or two - based on feedback from local voters - but the mountain is so big that everyone remains nervous.

    26.4% swing needed by the LDs to take the seat so not out of the question. Slightly more than achieved at C&A and between Orpington and Hodge Hill (2004).

    Not as great as Brent East, Newbury or Christchurch (which saw a 35.4% swing).
    In all of those the LibDems were in a clear two-horse contest from the outset.

    The political backdrop has of course been exceptionally favourable - but it hangs on what one might call the Big_G factor - whether all the disgruntled Tories have got it off their chest moaning to canvassers and journalists and once in the polling booth will revert to type.
    You say that but in both Hodge Hill and Brent East the LDs started from third. Both seats were held by the party in Government and in neither did the Conservative vote fall that much - 2% in Brent East and 2.7% in Hodge Hill.

    Brent East was won with a 28.9% swing and Hodge Hill lost despite a 26.7% swing.

    The key to North Shropshire will be the degree to which the LDs can squeeze the Labour vote. Labour got 22% in 2019 - getting that down to 5% would be crucial in getting over the Conservative mountain of a majority.
    And if they do, then SKS will have to resign!
    Yes! I demanded Blair's head after Oaten won Winchester in 1997 too.
    Lol.

    The parallel, of course, is that Brent East contributed to the downfall of IDS.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Count for the North Shropshire by-election will take place in Shrewsbury Sports Village, five miles outside the seat. Declaration anticipated to be between 2-5am.
    https://twitter.com/bnhwalker/status/1471471698734206986
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited December 2021
    eek said:

    dixiedean said:

    No DCL, Richarlison, Townsend, Digne and probably no Coleman v Chelsea tonight.
    Benitez should have ensured the rest got COVID.
    Instead of dicking about playing football games.

    No Van Dijk tonight due to Covid-19 according to well placed sources.

    Time to bet on the barcodes winning tonight.
    As @Gallowgate can confirm we need the points (however we get them).
    Apparently it is running wild in the Liverpool squad and we've got a 99% double jabbed first team squad and staff.
  • Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Tories seemed to have settled around 32% but that was before Sunak was found to be living it up on a Californian beach while interest rates went up for only the third time in ten years.

    Is anyone in government interested in their day job?
    He was doing his day job discussing IT investment into the UK

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    MaxPB said:

    Family dropping like flies, sister now got a faint line on her LFT, Xmas dinner now planned for the 26th. No symptoms yet.

    That's a like for the last sentence. Not the rest.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Tories seemed to have settled around 32% but that was before Sunak was found to be living it up on a Californian beach while interest rates went up for only the third time in ten years.

    Is anyone in government interested in their day job?
    He was doing his day job discussing IT investment into the UK

    Isn't that a different department?
  • UK public don’t want ‘perennial fights of a permanent Brexit’ with EU – report
    Report by the European Council on Foreign Relations says that more people see bloc as a key partner than the US

    Polling for the report found people were evenly split on who was most to blame for the current dire state of relations between the UK and EU, with 39% blaming Britain and 38% saying they considered the bloc responsible.

    The ECFR survey found only 6% of respondents favoured a UK foreign policy that prioritised Britain’s military strength, while 40% said they would like foreign policy to focus primarily on strengthening the domestic economy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/16/uk-public-dont-want-perennial-fights-of-a-permanent-brexit-with-eu-report
  • Scott_xP said:

    Count for the North Shropshire by-election will take place in Shrewsbury Sports Village, five miles outside the seat. Declaration anticipated to be between 2-5am.
    https://twitter.com/bnhwalker/status/1471471698734206986

    The lib dems will walk it
  • Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Tories seemed to have settled around 32% but that was before Sunak was found to be living it up on a Californian beach while interest rates went up for only the third time in ten years.

    Is anyone in government interested in their day job?
    He was doing his day job discussing IT investment into the UK

    He's a pound shop Nero, fiddling whilst hospitality burns.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400

    dixiedean said:

    No DCL, Richarlison, Townsend, Digne and probably no Coleman v Chelsea tonight.
    Benitez should have ensured the rest got COVID.
    Instead of dicking about playing football games.

    No Van Dijk tonight due to Covid-19 according to well placed sources.

    Time to bet on the barcodes winning tonight.
    The entire squad could be dead. And they'd probably be able to raise a decent enough side just from the crowd.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    Selebian said:

    17 windows smashed in a vaccine centre in St Asaph

    A 58 year old male has been arrested

    I just cannot start to understand the mentality of these people

    There's a joke in there somewhere about Bill Gates and unintended side effects.

    Seriously though, that's shocking. Hope it doesn't disrupt the vaccinations too much.
    I must admit I did wonder if St Asaph was the patron saint of glaziers... ;)
  • Scott_xP said:

    JUST IN: Senior Tories think they have lost North Shropshire.

    Hopes of a strongish Labour showing splitting the anti-Tory votes have evaporated, sources say.

    Usual caveats of expectation management etc but those I've spoken to sound like someone has pissed on their chips.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1471542007961198598

    We can only hope.....
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    No DCL, Richarlison, Townsend, Digne and probably no Coleman v Chelsea tonight.
    Benitez should have ensured the rest got COVID.
    Instead of dicking about playing football games.

    No Van Dijk tonight due to Covid-19 according to well placed sources.

    Time to bet on the barcodes winning tonight.
    The entire squad could be dead. And they'd probably be able to raise a decent enough side just from the crowd.
    Against Newcastle - the first 14 people through the turnstile should be good enough.
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