CON ahead in the betting on the eve of North Shropshire – politicalbetting.com
Based on almost all the the by-election betting in the past year the betting markets have not been good prediction tools. These arewise words from Paul of the Poiticalgambler blog
North Shropshire is now all about the Labour vote, not the LD or Tory vote. The LD vote probably around 35%, the Tory vote around 40%.
If Labour's vote is 15% or more the Tories should hold on, if the Labour vote is under 10% the LDs should win due to large Labour tactical voting for the LDs. If it is 10-15% it will be neck and neck
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Either South Africa is so different that what happens there can't read across to here, or we may be OK.
Excess death in the Omicron epicentre below the South Africa average!
Indeed. Excellent thread. No doubt it will be summarily dismissed by the pompous colonial attitudes on PB.
Happy for SA if it's impact is lower than thought and they get through it relatively well compared to what it could have been that's great news.
Hope the same applies for us but we are a much different country and as Covid has shown some countries suffer more than others.
IMO the mistake that is being made is making the assumption that what happens in another country will happen here. There is no guarantee of that whatsoever with Covid.
Ultimately let's wait and see, fingers crossed and all that.
Again though – and this is routinely misunderstood for some reason – the South African studies are comparing SA (Omicron) with SA (Delta/Wuhan), they are not comparing SA (Omicron) with some far-flung foreign land with entirely different demographics.
And the real figures will be a lot more than that...
Wow... That's 78k people infected from a few days ago. So actual number infected today, could easily be after one doubling of that (potentially more), plus we probably still aren't catching all cases with testing.
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
North Shropshire is now all about the Labour vote, not the LD or Tory vote. The LD vote probably around 35%, the Tory vote around 40%.
If Labour's vote is 15% or more the Tories should hold on, if the Labour vote is under 10% the LDs should win due to large Labour tactical voting for the LDs. If it is 10-15% it will be neck and neck
I may be proven wrong, but it was a silly seat for Labour to tacitly shy away from. Although I suppose, events..
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Yep fair enough I suppose my theory is garbage.
It's not garbage, it's just half the story. True what you said but there are many on the right of the spectrum - more extreme conservatives - who equally cheerlead restrictions. It is the liberals in the middle who are feeling the pinch from both sides, especially as you progress along the liberal spectrum towards libertarianism.
Just got boosted, and a proper vaccine this time not that Oxford rubbish. A very well run operation in SE14. Let's hope that what with a recent Covid infection and three doses of the vaccine I should be okay. Incidentally, I am a libertarian socialist remainer and am kind of agnostic on further measures - let's be led by the best available scientific evidence. Right now that evidence says Omicron is definitely more contagious and very probably less virulent - put those together and it looks like we may not need to put any more measures in place but we should be ready to act if necessary. And I certainly won't take any lessons in "freedom" from Tory MPs voting through the "strip brown people of their passports" bill.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 34m Is it possible that there is something about Omicron which makes it target millennials? Sounds too good to be true but worth investigating.
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Yep fair enough I suppose my theory is garbage.
All the best hypotheses are falsifiable. According to Popper*, you just advanced science
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 34m Is it possible that there is something about Omicron which makes it target millennials? Sounds too good to be true but worth investigating.
The fact they go to bars and nightclubs perhaps...and this thing spreads like crazy in such environments.
Christopher Snowdon @cjsnowdon · 34m Is it possible that there is something about Omicron which makes it target millennials? Sounds too good to be true but worth investigating.
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Yep fair enough I suppose my theory is garbage.
All the best hypotheses are falsifiable. According to Popper*, you just advanced science
The big event today is Macron's 2 hours-long taped interview that will be in prime-time on the biggest TV channel. Other candidates are furious and denounce what they see as unfairly occupying tv space (obviously they will not get the same opportunity). Maronists counter that the president is not yet a candidate and will just discuss his accomplishments as president without campaigning... The discussions regarding a potential left-wing primary are getting nowhere. Thus some are pushing for other candidates to come in the race such as Christiane Taubira (former Justice Minister under Hollande, famous for giving her name to the gay-marriage law and treated as an icon by the left-wing press as a woman from french Guyana). Opinion Way included her in theit poll and she got 2%.
78,610 cases......I presume 100k will be breeched by end of the week.
The usual suspects will be ramping up the pressure to cancel Christmas.
Well, what do you think?
No further restrictions needed? Everything going fine?
what would you do Chris?
I would do what the scientific advisers no doubt advised, and take measures to try to prevent the NHS from collapsing and many people dying without any medical care.
BNO Newsroom @BNODesk · 23m Denmark, which has the highest number of confirmed Omicron cases, reports 8,773 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record
One point which hasn't had enough attention (although it was raised today on WATO) is that the massive number of cases which we are going to get over the next three weeks is itself going to impact not only on the NHS in terms of treatments, but also on the delivery of booster jabs, simply because of staff being off sick or isolating. Of course we are also going to be seeing big disruptions of other services for the same reason.
Lockdowns and other mitigation methods are frankly pretty irrelevant by this point; economic and other activity is going to be hugely disrupted whatever the government does, even if the hospitalisation figures turn out to be manageable.
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Yep fair enough I suppose my theory is garbage.
It's not garbage, it's just half the story. True what you said but there are many on the right of the spectrum - more extreme conservatives - who equally cheerlead restrictions. It is the liberals in the middle who are feeling the pinch from both sides, especially as you progress along the liberal spectrum towards libertarianism.
‘Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told Dr Alina Chan says there is also a risk that Covid-19 is an engineered virus By Sarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR 15 December 2021 • 12:46pm
A laboratory leak is now the more likely origin of Covid, MPs have heard, because after two years of searching an animal host has never been found.’
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
And as mentioned on the other thread there's no doubt cases are skyrocketing but we just ran out of LFT tests this week ffs that surely also indicates larger amounts of testing.
‘Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told Dr Alina Chan says there is also a risk that Covid-19 is an engineered virus By Sarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR 15 December 2021 • 12:46pm
A laboratory leak is now the more likely origin of Covid, MPs have heard, because after two years of searching an animal host has never been found.’
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Yep fair enough I suppose my theory is garbage.
All the best hypotheses are falsifiable. According to Popper*, you just advanced science
North Shropshire is now all about the Labour vote, not the LD or Tory vote. The LD vote probably around 35%, the Tory vote around 40%.
If Labour's vote is 15% or more the Tories should hold on, if the Labour vote is under 10% the LDs should win due to large Labour tactical voting for the LDs. If it is 10-15% it will be neck and neck
78,610 cases......I presume 100k will be breeched by end of the week.
The usual suspects will be ramping up the pressure to cancel Christmas.
Well, what do you think?
No further restrictions needed? Everything going fine?
what would you do Chris?
I would do what the scientific advisers no doubt advised, and take measures to try to prevent the NHS from collapsing and many people dying without any medical care.
Sounds very reasonable. What exactly is that plan.
Got a sick feeling in my stomach. Covid special at 5pm.
It won't be more restrictions - we've only just had the vote, and anything further has to come to the house. It may be a pep talk - get your booster, think about your own risks etc.
The way omicron is infecting, its not long to wait to find out whether we are in the shit or not. I'm expecting a jump in hospitalisation for sure, but nothing like Jan 2021, and ultimately boosters to all willing by Jan 10th.
Spoke to three people on work calls this week so far who say “yeah I have covid right now, feel alright. Scratchy throat. Will have some time off next week anyway”.
I dare say none will be doing PCRs after their positive flow tests. One guy reckoned 21/25 at a party he went to have tested positive.
Which raises an interesting question: when will omnicron peak in London?
And as mentioned on the other thread there's no doubt cases are skyrocketing but we just ran out of LFT tests this week ffs that surely also indicates larger amounts of testing.
You don't believe the growth rate is real?
If you did, would it concern you at all? Could you put it together with a way in which the hospitals could possibly cope with this?
That London curve will give us a good gauge on hospitalisations in 7-10 days.
Exactly: if the number of people in hospital with Covid in London doesn't start moving sharply up, we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
However...
Even if it does, I'm not sure how it's avoidable. If we're going to experience Omicron it's probably better to have a short and sharp snap that 6 months of lockdown.
Spoke to three people on work calls this week so far who say “yeah I have covid right now, feel alright. Scratchy throat. Will have some time off next week anyway”.
I dare say none will be doing PCRs after their positive flow tests. One guy reckoned 21/25 at a party he went to have tested positive.
Which raises an interesting question: when will omnicron peak in London?
Omicron seems to love a good party....more than the workers at #10.
‘Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told Dr Alina Chan says there is also a risk that Covid-19 is an engineered virus By Sarah Knapton, SCIENCE EDITOR 15 December 2021 • 12:46pm
A laboratory leak is now the more likely origin of Covid, MPs have heard, because after two years of searching an animal host has never been found.’
That London curve will give us a good gauge on hospitalisations in 7-10 days.
Exactly: if the number of people in hospital with Covid in London doesn't start moving sharply up, we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
However...
Even if it does, I'm not sure how it's avoidable. If we're going to experience Omicron it's probably better to have a short and sharp snap that 6 months of lockdown.
How many deaths do you estimate this "short and sharp snap" would involve?
Or do you think it's better regardless of how many people would die?
North Shropshire is now all about the Labour vote, not the LD or Tory vote. The LD vote probably around 35%, the Tory vote around 40%.
If Labour's vote is 15% or more the Tories should hold on, if the Labour vote is under 10% the LDs should win due to large Labour tactical voting for the LDs. If it is 10-15% it will be neck and neck
I am one who liked this post Aitch, because it is spot on.
You didn’t actually say what you think would happen though. Is your mind the same place as mine - why would Labour vote be anywhere close 10% when they can walk around all week with a big grin they gave boris a bloody nose?
The big event today is Macron's 2 hours-long taped interview that will be in prime-time on the biggest TV channel. Other candidates are furious and denounce what they see as unfairly occupying tv space (obviously they will not get the same opportunity). Maronists counter that the president is not yet a candidate and will just discuss his accomplishments as president without campaigning... The discussions regarding a potential left-wing primary are getting nowhere. Thus some are pushing for other candidates to come in the race such as Christiane Taubira (former Justice Minister under Hollande, famous for giving her name to the gay-marriage law and treated as an icon by the left-wing press as a woman from french Guyana). Opinion Way included her in theit poll and she got 2%.
I think the French Presidential election could be surprisingly entertaining.
From a "good for Britain" point of view, it's not clear that any of the leading candidates are great. Macron loves a contrived crisis. Pecresse accused the EU of being soft on Britain. Le Pen is ultimately statist. And Zemmour thinks that the D Day landings were an Anglo Saxon invasion of France.
Got a sick feeling in my stomach. Covid special at 5pm.
One man's press conference is another Prime Minister's election broadcast the day before North Shropshire votes.
That he is doing it this way does rather confirm that last week's gifting a free broadcast to Keir Starmer was not intended. And also that the Commons Speaker can whistle for it.
That London curve will give us a good gauge on hospitalisations in 7-10 days.
Exactly: if the number of people in hospital with Covid in London doesn't start moving sharply up, we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
However...
It's already moving up -> 21% growth vs last week. The admissions numbers (although not up to date) also showing a lot of growth (169 for 13th vs 111 for 6th Dec).
That London curve will give us a good gauge on hospitalisations in 7-10 days.
Exactly: if the number of people in hospital with Covid in London doesn't start moving sharply up, we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
However...
Even if it does, I'm not sure how it's avoidable. If we're going to experience Omicron it's probably better to have a short and sharp snap that 6 months of lockdown.
Avoidable or not, it would be extremely unpleasant if it were to hammer us over Christmas.
And if it does hit the UK hard, crushing hospital capacity, then we will see de facto lockdowns anyway, irrespective of government diktat.
Spoke to three people on work calls this week so far who say “yeah I have covid right now, feel alright. Scratchy throat. Will have some time off next week anyway”.
You do understand that even without vaccination 99% survive COVID-19? You do realise how meaningless "spoke to three people and they were OK" is?
Spoke to three people on work calls this week so far who say “yeah I have covid right now, feel alright. Scratchy throat. Will have some time off next week anyway”.
I dare say none will be doing PCRs after their positive flow tests. One guy reckoned 21/25 at a party he went to have tested positive.
Which raises an interesting question: when will omnicron peak in London?
Gauteng has peaked already. We'll clearly fall at xmas when people stop bothering with so many tests and then it'll be interesting to see if it can kick back up to the old heights after that.
That London curve will give us a good gauge on hospitalisations in 7-10 days.
Exactly: if the number of people in hospital with Covid in London doesn't start moving sharply up, we can all breathe a sigh of relief.
However...
Even if it does, I'm not sure how it's avoidable. If we're going to experience Omicron it's probably better to have a short and sharp snap that 6 months of lockdown.
How many deaths do you estimate this "short and sharp snap" would involve?
Or do you think it's better regardless of how many people would die?
Children believe that their parents can always make everything ok and will always look after them. When those children grow up, some believe the same about God, others believe the same about government.
Spoke to three people on work calls this week so far who say “yeah I have covid right now, feel alright. Scratchy throat. Will have some time off next week anyway”.
I dare say none will be doing PCRs after their positive flow tests. One guy reckoned 21/25 at a party he went to have tested positive.
Which raises an interesting question: when will omnicron peak in London?
The big event today is Macron's 2 hours-long taped interview that will be in prime-time on the biggest TV channel. Other candidates are furious and denounce what they see as unfairly occupying tv space (obviously they will not get the same opportunity). Maronists counter that the president is not yet a candidate and will just discuss his accomplishments as president without campaigning... The discussions regarding a potential left-wing primary are getting nowhere. Thus some are pushing for other candidates to come in the race such as Christiane Taubira (former Justice Minister under Hollande, famous for giving her name to the gay-marriage law and treated as an icon by the left-wing press as a woman from french Guyana). Opinion Way included her in theit poll and she got 2%.
I think the French Presidential election could be surprisingly entertaining.
From a "good for Britain" point of view, it's not clear that any of the leading candidates are great. Macron loves a contrived crisis. Pecresse accused the EU of being soft on Britain. Le Pen is ultimately statist. And Zemmour thinks that the D Day landings were an Anglo Saxon invasion of France.
We have a trade deal with the EU now though and France has never been our closest ally anyway, indeed it is probably our least close ally of any G7 nation.
Pecresse is probably closest to Boris ideologically all things being equal, except on the EU where Zemmour is probably closer to him (albeit otherwise a French nationalist). Le Pen had some things in common with Boris in terms of appealing to the Redwall type voter but maybe less so now
What do we reckon Boris will be mumbling at 5pm.....no new restrictions by law, but use common sense, rule of 5, I mean 6, 26, not law, but take it from me, I will be sticking to it, well no I won't, but you should.....
While Witty says here are the numbers, by the way this plan isn't mine...
I'm planning on changing my sleep pattern so I can catch tomorrows thread :popcorn:
Don't bother, it's a Conservative win. Quite possibly with Cons. as low as 40%.
Question to which we don't know the answer is how many people have voted already. I suspect that, given that people aren't that keen on mixing, the postal votes could be quite high.
What do we reckon Boris will be mumbling at 5pm.....no new restrictions by law, but use common sense, rule of 5, I mean 6, 26, not law, but take it from me, I will be sticking to it, well no I won't, but you should.....
While Witty says here are the numbers, by the way this plan isn't mine...
So can we make this a multi-dimensional Left/Right wing, Leave/Remain matrix.
I am a Remainer (as was) and centre right and am on the no more lockdowns fewer restrictions end of the spectrum
*everyone in the room, together and supportively, says: Hello centre-right Remainer...*
Those on the left are more comfortable with lockdowns, want them, even (not want @RP, but would be very happy to accept), while those on the right don't.
No idea where that leaves Brexit views, that said.
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Yep fair enough I suppose my theory is garbage.
All the best hypotheses are falsifiable. According to Popper*, you just advanced science
Very much to @TOPPING 's credit - other people on PB could learn from his/her example.
Happy to be wrong all day every day...
Not for nothing that Popper's classic book is called 'Conjectures and Refutations: The Growth of Scientific Knowledge'.
However, that doesn't mean that scientists can't develop their ideas any way they like, such as on PB, and Feyerabend would approve. So long as they are formally testable.
Though it is VERY frowned on to change the terms of one's hypothesis (e.g. changing the sample population, or one's definitions) after doing the experiment and finding that the data don't support it. Politely called fiddling, or, on PB. moving the goalposts.
North Shropshire is now all about the Labour vote, not the LD or Tory vote. The LD vote probably around 35%, the Tory vote around 40%.
If Labour's vote is 15% or more the Tories should hold on, if the Labour vote is under 10% the LDs should win due to large Labour tactical voting for the LDs. If it is 10-15% it will be neck and neck
I am one who liked this post Aitch, because it is spot on.
You didn’t actually say what you think would happen though. Is your mind the same place as mine - why would Labour vote be anywhere close 10% when they can walk around all week with a big grin they gave boris a bloody nose?
As some Labour voters there are old school Corbynite socialists for whom the LDs are as bad as the Tories
‘CDC Director Rochelle Walensky says Omicron appears to have a doubling time of two days.‘
Just incredible. The virality of OMICRON THE IRRESISTIBLE.
At the moment Omicron represents about 3% of cases in the USA. But at this pace it will be the dominant American strain by Christmas Day and nearly all cases before New Year.
Question for viro-historians, has humanity ever encountered a bug like this before? Something so blisteringly transmissible? It renders lockdowns near irrelevant, for good or ill
Spoke to three people on work calls this week so far who say “yeah I have covid right now, feel alright. Scratchy throat. Will have some time off next week anyway”.
You do understand that even without vaccination 99% survive COVID-19? You do realise how meaningless "spoke to three people and they were OK" is?
"even without vaccination 99% survive COVID-19"
Is that true? There are a fair number of countries where more than 1% of people have died of Covid, and they certainly didn't get 100% of people infected.
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Heather Hallett will be leading the Covid Public Inquiry.
The usual suspects will be ramping up the pressure to cancel Christmas.
https://comresglobal.com/polls/lockdown-snap-poll-december-2021/
A lower 44% support closing pubs and restaurants, 35% opposed but 2019 Conservative voters are opposed to closing pubs and restaurants by 42% to 39%.
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OMICRON THE DOESN’T-DISAPPOINT
If Labour's vote is 15% or more the Tories should hold on, if the Labour vote is under 10% the LDs should win due to large Labour tactical voting for the LDs. If it is 10-15% it will be neck and neck
@Anabobazina
@TimS
@FrankBooth
@Stocky
@williamglenn
@Gardenwalker
Did you see many rightwingers in that lot?
Also, the most dovish areas – big cities – are leftwing and (at least until very recently) buzzing. Which rather gives the lie to the left/right theory.
Edit: pretty sure that is the second highest total vaccinations given out, only surpassed by a single day of the original campaign.
I think 300k infected today is plausible.
London wide Week on week (incomplete 13/12 Vs 6/12) - 105% increase (vs 88% seen yesterday)
(fingers crossed for a week or so)
No further restrictions needed? Everything going fine?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1471150766698213385
What do you say?
Reality is - it's now too late to do anything about this all we can do is hope that it's as mild as some people claim it is.
You could add Cookie, Black Rook and Darkage to your list - plus others I'm sure.
Incidentally, I am a libertarian socialist remainer and am kind of agnostic on further measures - let's be led by the best available scientific evidence. Right now that evidence says Omicron is definitely more contagious and very probably less virulent - put those together and it looks like we may not need to put any more measures in place but we should be ready to act if necessary. And I certainly won't take any lessons in "freedom" from Tory MPs voting through the "strip brown people of their passports" bill.
@cjsnowdon
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Is it possible that there is something about Omicron which makes it target millennials? Sounds too good to be true but worth investigating.
A matter of time before someone says "casedemic".
(Yep, I'm wildly paraphrasing/over simplifying here, don't jump on me, philosophers)
incomplete 13/12: 6272 cases
6/12: 2289 cases
Week on week growth: 174% growth (was 138% yesterday).
Harris interactive (fieldwork 10 to 13 December - changes from last week)
Macron 24 (+1)
Pecresse 17 (+3)
Le Pen 16 (-2)
Zemmour 15 (+1)
Melenchon 11 (=)
Jadot 7 (=)
Hidalgo 4 (-1)
All others 6 (-2)
2nd round Macron 51(-2) / Pecresse 49(+2)
other scenarios tested: Macron 56/Le Pen 44 and Macron 62/Zemmour 38
OpinionWay (fieldwork 8-9/12, changes from mid-november)
Macron 25 (+1)
Pecresse 17 (+6)
Le Pen 16 (-4)
Zemmour 12 (=)
Melenchon 8 (-1)
Jadot 8 (=)
Hidalgo 5 (-1)
All others 9 (-1)
No 2nd round question.
The big event today is Macron's 2 hours-long taped interview that will be in prime-time on the biggest TV channel. Other candidates are furious and denounce what they see as unfairly occupying tv space (obviously they will not get the same opportunity). Maronists counter that the president is not yet a candidate and will just discuss his accomplishments as president without campaigning...
The discussions regarding a potential left-wing primary are getting nowhere. Thus some are pushing for other candidates to come in the race such as Christiane Taubira (former Justice Minister under Hollande, famous for giving her name to the gay-marriage law and treated as an icon by the left-wing press as a woman from french Guyana). Opinion Way included her in theit poll and she got 2%.
@BNODesk
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Denmark, which has the highest number of confirmed Omicron cases, reports 8,773 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record
Lockdowns and other mitigation methods are frankly pretty irrelevant by this point; economic and other activity is going to be hugely disrupted whatever the government does, even if the hospitalisation figures turn out to be manageable.
However...
https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/38028217-Snap-Poll-14th-December_14.12-Final-Tables.xlsx
‘Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid', MPs told
Dr Alina Chan says there is also a risk that Covid-19 is an engineered virus
By
Sarah Knapton,
SCIENCE EDITOR
15 December 2021 • 12:46pm
A laboratory leak is now the more likely origin of Covid, MPs have heard, because after two years of searching an animal host has never been found.’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-origin-covid-mps-told/
Obviously its pointless stat in terms of raw numbers, but does give indication of doubling rate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10306211/DR-ANGELIQUE-COETZEE-alerted-wider-world-Omicron-believe-Britain-overreacting.html
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-south-africas-healthcare-workers-struggle-under-pressure-of-third-wave-12363905
I've got yet another free 5 quid Paddy Power voucher from the Daily Star; only this time I can bet on any sport.
England to win the Ashes anyone?
Most cases in London with swabs taken on 11 December were caused by Omicron.
https://twitter.com/theosanderson/status/1471152011747987460
The way omicron is infecting, its not long to wait to find out whether we are in the shit or not. I'm expecting a jump in hospitalisation for sure, but nothing like Jan 2021, and ultimately boosters to all willing by Jan 10th.
I dare say none will be doing PCRs after their positive flow tests. One guy reckoned 21/25 at a party he went to have tested positive.
Which raises an interesting question: when will omnicron peak in London?
If you did, would it concern you at all? Could you put it together with a way in which the hospitals could possibly cope with this?
So again it all depends on the extent of Labour tactical voting for the LDs
Or do you think it's better regardless of how many people would die?
You didn’t actually say what you think would happen though. Is your mind the same place as mine - why would Labour vote be anywhere close 10% when they can walk around all week with a big grin they gave boris a bloody nose?
From a "good for Britain" point of view, it's not clear that any of the leading candidates are great. Macron loves a contrived crisis. Pecresse accused the EU of being soft on Britain. Le Pen is ultimately statist. And Zemmour thinks that the D Day landings were an Anglo Saxon invasion of France.
That he is doing it this way does rather confirm that last week's gifting a free broadcast to Keir Starmer was not intended. And also that the Commons Speaker can whistle for it.
The admissions numbers (although not up to date) also showing a lot of growth (169 for 13th vs 111 for 6th Dec).
And if it does hit the UK hard, crushing hospital capacity, then we will see de facto lockdowns anyway, irrespective of government diktat.
Pecresse is probably closest to Boris ideologically all things being equal, except on the EU where Zemmour is probably closer to him (albeit otherwise a French nationalist). Le Pen had some things in common with Boris in terms of appealing to the Redwall type voter but maybe less so now
While Witty says here are the numbers, by the way this plan isn't mine...
However, that doesn't mean that scientists can't develop their ideas any way they like, such as on PB, and Feyerabend would approve. So long as they are formally testable.
Though it is VERY frowned on to change the terms of one's hypothesis (e.g. changing the sample population, or one's definitions) after doing the experiment and finding that the data don't support it. Politely called fiddling, or, on PB. moving the goalposts.
Just incredible. The virality of OMICRON THE IRRESISTIBLE.
At the moment Omicron represents about 3% of cases in the USA. But at this pace it will be the dominant American strain by Christmas Day and nearly all cases before New Year.
Question for viro-historians, has humanity ever encountered a bug like this before? Something so blisteringly transmissible? It renders lockdowns near irrelevant, for good or ill
Is that true? There are a fair number of countries where more than 1% of people have died of Covid, and they certainly didn't get 100% of people infected.