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  • theakes said:

    If Truss runs I wonder if her Young Lib Dem past will be brought up, believe in the early 90's she was part of a conference motion to abolish the monarchy or something akin!!!

    I don't think she'd be a strong candidate - reminds me a bit of Leadsom, who had a big ConHome and broader Tory fan club, but was only credible as long as you didn't spend five minutes listening to her. I think Sunak would crush her if it came to that.

    However, I don't think the Lib Dem past is an issue for her at all. The answer is very simple - people explore their political identity a bit as youngsters, and can say she thought about it and matured. In the real world, strong supporters of Party X have often supported Party Y at some point - and it's not like she was in the BNP - it's the Lib Dems a quarter of a century ago.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,747
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This is totally ludicrous.

    How can they possibly not know the answer to this question?

    If the answer is that he wasn’t at the party, they should be able to say so immediately.

    If the answer is that he was, then this is even more of a sham than we thought.

    #OneRuleForThem

    https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1468578451506536460
    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/1468575983351607300

    Dear god. This reminds me of Bill Clinton’s ‘it depends what your definition of the word “is” is’

    When you’ve reached those levels of absurd, shambolic semi-denial, you’re done

    I guess their only hope now is to brazen it out. Just keep lying and hope bad Covid news overtakes. Anyone who admits to being at the parties will now be toast. This also applies to political journalists, of course. A dangerous scandalette for many
    Except Bill Clinton wasn't done. He would have won a third term in office, if term limits hadn't prevented him.

    Come to think of it, if any contemporary-ish politician reminds me of Boris (even a bit - he is unique) , it must be Clinton. A political triangulator, interesting approach to personal conduct, always in trouble, seat of the pants operator, but a hokey personality that people instinctively like.
  • IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‘Johnson is not up to the job because he was never up to it and he never will be.’

    ✍️ Alex Massie

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-eating-reality

    You mean I can get an article published in the Speccie pointing out that Boris is a useless solipsistic twat.

    Nothing in his career suggested a man capable of making a success of one of the country’s most demanding jobs. What was foreseeable was in fact foreseen.

    What does Johnson actually want to do as Prime Minister? Your guess will have to be better than mine because I haven’t a clue.

    This is a government that does not even possess the courage — the moral courage — to own its decisions. It is a profoundly unserious administration of a sort that has no equivalent in living memory. There have been bad or failing governments, of course, but this one is bad and fails in a different way. When everything can be a joke nothing really matters; when everything is a performance who worries about actual reality? What is the point of any of it? This is a government without a purpose, without a vision, and without any keen interest in having any of these notionally useful things.
    It's tedious to repeat but by that analysis BJ really is Trumpian, except that DT and his coterie had the boorish, arrogant ego to own and stand by his decisions. Unfortunately for BJ the UK doesn't have a violently divided US style electorate, yet.
  • Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Stocky said:

    Is BJO still BoJo's only fan

    He has HYUFD.

    Until Boris is replaced at which point whoever is the new leader he gets a software upgrade to become their biggest fan.

    I'll laugh so hard if its Truss.
    He's going to explode if it's Truss.

    if Johnson does resign (I think not but let's play) who puts their hat in the ring?

    Sunak definitely. Truss probably. Hunt, Gove and Javid possibly.

    Say all five do. Which two get through the MP ballots?

    I'm not sure but I'd go with Sunak and Hunt. That could make for a very close membership vote.
    Is Raab acting PM in between!?
    Why should HYUFD explode if it is Ms Truss? Does he object to being taught punctuation?
    She's a former Lib Dem and republican.

    I'm rejoining the party to vote for her.
    Swap the Redwall patriots for Liberal republicans like TSE, the biggest winner from that would be Starmer!
    How dare you question my patriotism when you enabled to put a border down the Irish Sea.
    Which Lord Frost is working to remove
    Which Lord Frost put there in the first place.
    Because its infinitely better than what May and Robbins had put in place.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    DougSeal said:

    Have they announced a Press Conference or a Commons statement yet? Or are they introducing Plan B via Twitter?

    Latest tweet seems to be they're cooling down. Given ut seems this rush all came from Boris rather than due process, hopefully the mockery his dead cat got at PMQs has steered the tolley back from the edge a bit.
  • One of the parties to celebrate the exit of Cummings! They should have owned up to that one, the country would forgive that.....
  • Mr. Urquhart, but what about Plan B From Outer Space?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is BJO still BoJo's only fan

    He has HYUFD.

    Until Boris is replaced at which point whoever is the new leader he gets a software upgrade to become their biggest fan.

    I'll laugh so hard if its Truss.
    Boris will stay through to the general election in my view.

    If he went and Truss was is the last 2 I would vote for whoever her opponent is.

    However I would still stay in the party if she ended up leader, provided she kept her past republicanism quiet as she has done so far. If not I would vote RefUK

    .
    Is it essential to be a monarchist to be either a conservative or Conservative?
    To be a UK Tory and certainly to be UK Tory leader absolutely, otherwise the Tory party ceases to exist.

    In which case Tories can explore other options until the party returns to true Toryism once again
    Toryism - someone who upholds the supremacy of social order as it has evolved in the English culture throughout history

    And yet you vote for Boris and support a party which from just todays news

    Decided to hold a party on the day 500+ people died of covid after implementing rules the previous day that banned such parties
    was shown to prioiritise the extradition of dogs rather than Afghans who were in danger because they had worked for us
    seemingly plan to implement a plan b lockdown without any ideas
    Oh and removed Northern Ireland from being part of the UK's customs union because it was the easy option for Boris.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Plan B the rapper and Plan B the crypto modelling guy are going to get some nasty shocks in their twitter mentions when the government announce the move to stricter restrictions.....

    That was another cracking film - Ill Manors.

    Can't find it anywhere to watch, that said.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Mr. Urquhart, but what about Plan B From Outer Space?

    Did Covid come from outer space - oh deadly space germs explain a lot (and shifts the blame away from China).
  • theakes said:

    If Truss runs I wonder if her Young Lib Dem past will be brought up, believe in the early 90's she was part of a conference motion to abolish the monarchy or something akin!!!

    I don't think she'd be a strong candidate - reminds me a bit of Leadsom, who had a big ConHome and broader Tory fan club, but was only credible as long as you didn't spend five minutes listening to her. I think Sunak would crush her if it came to that.

    However, I don't think the Lib Dem past is an issue for her at all. The answer is very simple - people explore their political identity a bit as youngsters, and can say she thought about it and matured. In the real world, strong supporters of Party X have often supported Party Y at some point - and it's not like she was in the BNP - it's the Lib Dems a quarter of a century ago.
    Why would you compare her to Leadsom?

    Leadsom had never been in the Cabinet before she ran against May.

    Truss holds one of the Great Offices of State, has long been a leading Cabinet member and is as far as I'm aware now the longest-serving continuous member of the Cabinet dating back to Cameron's premiership.

    And after nearly a decade in the Cabinet the worst thing people can criticise Truss for it seems is how she spoke about cheese in her very first Conference speech nearly a decade ago.

    Truss is eminently qualified. 👍
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Public Accounts Committee hearing with Dept for Education Perm Sec Susan Acland-Hood begins with questions about ... the Christmas bash at DfE in 2021!

    https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/81b5b10c-4dbc-4118-a69b-f97251c808ce

    🚨 Acland-Hood says she has spoken to the Cabinet Secretary and the party WILL BE INCLUDED IN HIS INVESTIGATION INTO THE 18 DECEMBER DOWNING STREET PARTY.
    https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1468584366339239948
  • Plan B the rapper and Plan B the crypto modelling guy are going to get some nasty shocks in their twitter mentions when the government announce the move to stricter restrictions.....

    There's a rather good restaurant in Siracusa called Piano B that might welcome a few more customers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Yes, Number 10 can't or won't say if the senior official who has been asked to investigate the party was actually at the party
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1468584552872488963
    https://twitter.com/BBCVickiYoung/status/1468572054786134019
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    Agree with @Flatlander FPT - I thought Johnson did ok listening over the radio. Not so good for him are the callers in who are absolutely incandescent.

    Going to watch on TV now to see if there is a Nixon/Kennedy effect.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    IanB2 said:

    Laura K: "What is surprising is that PM was still trying to say that he didn't really know what was going on.....after seven days".

    "Boris Johnson is in a very very very uncomfortable position, despite having apologised, and I think there are very few Conservatives prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, frankly"

    Hm.

    What follows, I wonder.
    If we get polls showing the voters have turned - and they stay that way - perhaps he'll have to go. I'm taking this prospect seriously for the first time.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Attendee of the party says they were asked to go by both political and civil service staff -even tho briefing earlier this week claimed it'd been arranged by civil servants...
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1468585042607759362
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    BREAKING: Downing Street unable to deny that the man appointed to investigate the party may have attended it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,917
    edited December 2021
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is BJO still BoJo's only fan

    He has HYUFD.

    Until Boris is replaced at which point whoever is the new leader he gets a software upgrade to become their biggest fan.

    I'll laugh so hard if its Truss.
    Boris will stay through to the general election in my view.

    If he went and Truss was is the last 2 I would vote for whoever her opponent is.

    However I would still stay in the party if she ended up leader, provided she kept her past republicanism quiet as she has done so far. If not I would vote RefUK

    .
    Is it essential to be a monarchist to be either a conservative or Conservative?
    To be a UK Tory and certainly to be UK Tory leader absolutely, otherwise the Tory party ceases to exist.

    In which case Tories can explore other options until the party returns to true Toryism once again
    Toryism - someone who upholds the supremacy of social order as it has evolved in the English culture throughout history

    And yet you vote for Boris and support a party which from just todays news

    Decided to hold a party on the day 500+ people died of covid after implementing rules the previous day that banned such parties
    was shown to prioiritise the extradition of dogs rather than Afghans who were in danger because they had worked for us
    seemingly plan to implement a plan b lockdown without any ideas
    Oh and removed Northern Ireland from being part of the UK's customs union because it was the easy option for Boris.
    The key point of being a Tory from its foundation is preservation of the monarchy and Church of England and landed estates. Nothing else encompasses the core principles of Toryism beyond those 3 aims. There are broader centre right conservative or free market principles the party has adopted as today's Conservative Party and in opposition to the socialism of Labour but they are not Toryism. Indeed the Union emerged after the Tory party too.

    However Boris was not at this party in question, it was Biden who led the Afghanistan withdrawal and it was the EU who demanded the Irish Sea border as the only means of GB getting a post Brexit trade deal with them that left the CU and SM

  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    edited December 2021
    maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Get your booster.

    Chise DNAPetri dishMicrobeSyringe
    @sailorrooscout
    Fantastic news. Initial lab studies show a third dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine neutralizes Omicron. A booster with the current version of the vaccine RAISES antibodies 25-FOLD providing a similar level as observed after two doses against the original virus and other variants!

    Considering the study last night showing Omicron was 41 times less covered by 2 doses compared to original variant, which equates to 6.5x less covered than delta, a 25x increase could easily suggest 3 doses vs Omicron is considerably better protection than 2 doses vs Delta was.
    https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1468557152461676546

    Wow, great news – Pfizer says three doses is just as good against omicron as two doses were against the OG Covid (ie, extremely good). https://pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-provide-update-omicron-variant

    So confirmation we're really not in bad shape with over a 3rd of the population covering most of the vulnerable now better protected than ever. What possible reason could their be for a sudden rush to restrictions...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    theakes said:

    If Truss runs I wonder if her Young Lib Dem past will be brought up, believe in the early 90's she was part of a conference motion to abolish the monarchy or something akin!!!

    I don't think she'd be a strong candidate - reminds me a bit of Leadsom, who had a big ConHome and broader Tory fan club, but was only credible as long as you didn't spend five minutes listening to her. I think Sunak would crush her if it came to that.

    However, I don't think the Lib Dem past is an issue for her at all. The answer is very simple - people explore their political identity a bit as youngsters, and can say she thought about it and matured. In the real world, strong supporters of Party X have often supported Party Y at some point - and it's not like she was in the BNP - it's the Lib Dems a quarter of a century ago.
    Why would you compare her to Leadsom?

    Leadsom had never been in the Cabinet before she ran against May.

    Truss holds one of the Great Offices of State, has long been a leading Cabinet member and is as far as I'm aware now the longest-serving continuous member of the Cabinet dating back to Cameron's premiership.

    And after nearly a decade in the Cabinet the worst thing people can criticise Truss for it seems is how she spoke about cheese in her very first Conference speech nearly a decade ago.

    Truss is eminently qualified. 👍
    Not much of an ad. Messrs Johnson, Raab and Grayling held one of the Great Offices. (I know, but I think Transport is very important!)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    Eabhal said:

    Agree with @Flatlander FPT - I thought Johnson did ok listening over the radio. Not so good for him are the callers in who are absolutely incandescent.

    Going to watch on TV now to see if there is a Nixon/Kennedy effect.

    There is, primarily because of Boris' ludicrous hair.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

  • Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    Scott_xP said:

    ‘Johnson is not up to the job because he was never up to it and he never will be.’

    ✍️ Alex Massie

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-eating-reality

    Err, havent they spent the last decade trying to get him the job?
    Tory MPs too. They knew he'd be a terrible PM but they went for him because of voter appeal. And I don't see why this should change now. Unless the polls show their GE19 voters want him gone, I don't expect him to go.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572

    MattW said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mr. Z, Napoleon wasn't short. It's a triumph of British cartoonery that that's one of the most obvious things people 'know' about him.

    1.6 m whereas sunak is 1.7
    The guesstimates for Napoleon put him at 1.68, IIRC
    Looked up Nelson.

    It said 52m.
    At that height, you'd have to look up.
    He was doubly useful at sea; If they lost a mast they could use him as one - and if they chopped him up, they could probably get a few useful spars as well. ;)

    Oh, and great position for snipers.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited December 2021

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.

    My only comment on the leaflet is that is too good a photo of Boris - there are way worse ones in the public domain.
  • eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Boris had childcare in on christmas day. No idea why you'd do that unless you were planning on getting seriously shitfaced.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Boris had childcare in on christmas day. No idea why you'd do that unless you were planning on getting seriously shitfaced.
    Depends on the kids, perhaps? And the parents.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    MattW said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mr. Z, Napoleon wasn't short. It's a triumph of British cartoonery that that's one of the most obvious things people 'know' about him.

    1.6 m whereas sunak is 1.7
    The guesstimates for Napoleon put him at 1.68, IIRC
    Looked up Nelson.

    It said 52m.
    At that height, you'd have to look up.
    He was doubly useful at sea; If they lost a mast they could use him as one - and if they chopped him up, they could probably get a few useful spars as well. ;)

    Oh, and great position for snipers.
    On the last point, I think it's something he would agree about from personal experience.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    All very well, except Boris wasn't at the party in question.
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Agree with @Flatlander FPT - I thought Johnson did ok listening over the radio. Not so good for him are the callers in who are absolutely incandescent.

    Going to watch on TV now to see if there is a Nixon/Kennedy effect.

    There is, primarily because of Boris' ludicrous hair.
    :smile:

    I shall have to watch later. I think it is down to Starmer's voice, and not seeing Boris's body language.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Quincel said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Boris had childcare in on christmas day. No idea why you'd do that unless you were planning on getting seriously shitfaced.
    Depends on the kids, perhaps? And the parents.
    He used for the one household rule to invite Wilfred's godparent to look after young Wilfred. I know he has many kids but he just has the one with Carrie for the moment.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    I have sympathy with the view that this goes too far beyond what can be proven, but if I were defending this leaflet to the regulator I'd argue that the primary message wasn't literal about a specific day or action but simply that Johnson wasn't taking Covid rules seriously last Christmas. You may suggest that's bullshitting a bit, but I think it's defensible enough vs Woolas' statement (which pretty directly stated his opponent had taken illegal donations, there wasn't any ambiguity really).
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    I think the photoshopping is low quality enough (on purpose?) that it's clearly not meant to be real, and hence presumably ok?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Get your booster.

    Chise DNAPetri dishMicrobeSyringe
    @sailorrooscout
    Fantastic news. Initial lab studies show a third dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine neutralizes Omicron. A booster with the current version of the vaccine RAISES antibodies 25-FOLD providing a similar level as observed after two doses against the original virus and other variants!

    Considering the study last night showing Omicron was 41 times less covered by 2 doses compared to original variant, which equates to 6.5x less covered than delta, a 25x increase could easily suggest 3 doses vs Omicron is considerably better protection than 2 doses vs Delta was.
    https://twitter.com/s8mb/status/1468557152461676546

    Wow, great news – Pfizer says three doses is just as good against omicron as two doses were against the OG Covid (ie, extremely good). https://pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-provide-update-omicron-variant

    So confirmation we're really not in bad shape with over a 3rd of the population covering most of the vulnerable now better protected than ever. What possible reason could their be for a sudden rush to restrictions...
    Because sufficient people want them. Populism, remember, not science . And Johnson needs a diversion.
  • eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Trying to drag Carrie into everything just belittles the "sources" claims. Just doesn't pass the sniff test that there were "always parties in the flat" and nobody found out for twelve months.

    Having a staff Christmas piss-up is so easily believable because its plausible. Constant parties that were kept a secret for a year just aren't.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    The LibDems would like nothing more than for Boris to sue and all the facts to come out in court...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.

    My only comment on the leaflet is that is too good a photo of Boris - there are way worse ones in the public domain.
    No, it's perfect. Political leaflets which picture their targets too unflatteringly overplay their hand.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    From https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/15/phil-woolas-white-folk-election

    "They falsely suggested that Mr Watkins took this craven stance to the point of refusing to condemn death threats which Mr Woolas claimed had been made against him because he was 'in the pay' of a rich Arab sheikh," she said.

    "They falsely stated he had committed criminal offences by spending more than the law allowed him to on printing election leaflets and by illicitly channelling funds from a foreign donor.

    "Finally they falsely said he had broken his promises to move into the constituency."

    Being blunt attacking Boris is fair game for many reasons 1 of which is that Boris isn't the Tory candidate.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited December 2021
    Quincel said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    I have sympathy with the view that this goes too far beyond what can be proven, but if I were defending this leaflet to the regulator I'd argue that the primary message wasn't literal about a specific day or action but simply that Johnson wasn't taking Covid rules seriously last Christmas. You may suggest that's bullshitting a bit, but I think it's defensible enough vs Woolas' statement (which pretty directly stated his opponent had taken illegal donations, there wasn't any ambiguity really).
    Remember also that there’s this other party that the PM is rumoured to have attended. The LibDems will know that the Tories don’t want that tested in court, therefore they are safe with the leaflet.

    Boris only needs to have attended one party last Xmas for the leaflet to be fine. The picture doesn’t say that he broke the law or that the party he went to was against the regulations in force at the time.
  • eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Boris became one of the Borrowers? Or he attended a party of giants?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Downing Street unable to deny that the man appointed to investigate the party may have attended it.

    BREAKING: Detective Superintendent Rosemary West admits she may have "helped out with the patios at some point"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
    Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusation?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
    In Westminster they’ll already know what parties the PM went to. Not least because Dom is busy reminding them.
  • IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
    In Westminster they’ll already know what parties the PM went to. Not least because Dom is busy reminding them.
    And some of them were there....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    I’m not sure that “yes, there was a party, everyone in number ten knew or could have quickly discovered there was a party, and we have been misleading the press and public for a week for transparently political purposes” is quite the rebuttal Downing Street clearly think it is.
    https://twitter.com/skynewsniall/status/1468590347093790731
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1468586369480118272
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    All very well, except Boris wasn't at the party in question.
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Agree with @Flatlander FPT - I thought Johnson did ok listening over the radio. Not so good for him are the callers in who are absolutely incandescent.

    Going to watch on TV now to see if there is a Nixon/Kennedy effect.

    There is, primarily because of Boris' ludicrous hair.
    :smile:

    I shall have to watch later. I think it is down to Starmer's voice, and not seeing Boris's body language.
    Slumped.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
    So many of Bojo's problems spiral back to his wife. Perhaps that explains his "buyer's remorse"

    This is not a personal thing. She seems perfectly pleasant to me, albeit a bit air-headed, maybe

    But: cherchez la femme
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
    Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusation?
    There’s a lot of misconception about burden of proof in defamation. First up the claimant has to prove that the offending item was prima facie defamatory. Then, if the defendant offers truth as a defence then the burden passes to them to prove that. It’s a bit more complex than that but you get the drift.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    All very well, except Boris wasn't at the party in question.

    Which of the many parties in question..?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited December 2021

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
    Mr Carmichael MP got in hot water over that [edit] sort of thing in an election, too, though in a different way.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/09/alistair-carmichael-lib-dem-election-court-throws-out-attempt-to-unseat-mp
  • IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
    In Westminster they’ll already know what parties the PM went to. Not least because Dom is busy reminding them.
    Why would Dom even know? He was already persona non grata by then.
  • 131 additional confirmed cases of the #Omicron variant of COVID-19 have been reported across the UK.
    The total number of confirmed COVID-19 Omicron cases in the UK is 568.
  • If BJ stays can Ross?


  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792

    131 additional confirmed cases of the #Omicron variant of COVID-19 have been reported across the UK.
    The total number of confirmed COVID-19 Omicron cases in the UK is 568.

    How does this compare to yesterday?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    So Johnson can announce Plan B in a press conference, where presumably he’d take questions from the press and public, or in the Commons? The timing would be brave after those PMQs
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited December 2021

    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
    In Westminster they’ll already know what parties the PM went to. Not least because Dom is busy reminding them.
    Why would Dom even know? He was already persona non grata by then.
    Not all of his supporters, or moles, left number 10, though, and I think he was still in the process of disengaging from No.10 and his work duties there into December last year, when all this was alleged to have taken place.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    If they only have 2 jobs their antibody resistance to OMICRON YE KINGGE OF GERMES is approximately zero.

    They are fucked. Unless it is incredibly mild. All of them will get it, many will go to hospital
  • MattW said:
    The important thing is they've arrested the leaker before Raab's 11-months statute of limitations kicks in.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited December 2021
    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
    So many of Bojo's problems spiral back to his wife. Perhaps that explains his "buyer's remorse"

    This is not a personal thing. She seems perfectly pleasant to me, albeit a bit air-headed, maybe

    But: cherchez la femme
    No, the story here is quite simple and has nothing to do with his latest wife.

    He’s spent his life getting away with denying things that are true.

    The strategy with the party was - “it was a year ago, they can’t prove anything, just deny the party and say all regulations were complied with”

    Which they’ve been busy parroting all week.

    Except for Dom having got passed the video, it might have worked.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    DougSeal said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
    Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusation?
    There’s a lot of misconception about burden of proof in defamation. First up the claimant has to prove that the offending item was prima facie defamatory. Then, if the defendant offers truth as a defence then the burden passes to them to prove that. It’s a bit more complex than that but you get the drift.
    Nothing to do with defamation in this case though - the question is surely whether the Representation of the People Act has been breached?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    131 additional confirmed cases of the #Omicron variant of COVID-19 have been reported across the UK.
    The total number of confirmed COVID-19 Omicron cases in the UK is 568.

    Increasing but not flying out of control, yet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‘Johnson is not up to the job because he was never up to it and he never will be.’

    ✍️ Alex Massie

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-eating-reality

    You mean I can get an article published in the Speccie pointing out that Boris is a useless solipsistic twat.

    Jeez we've been saying that for two years.

    Where is the news angle?
    The Spectator finally realising.
    News of no great importance, but it's their publication.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Endillion said:

    DougSeal said:

    RobD said:

    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
    Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusation?
    There’s a lot of misconception about burden of proof in defamation. First up the claimant has to prove that the offending item was prima facie defamatory. Then, if the defendant offers truth as a defence then the burden passes to them to prove that. It’s a bit more complex than that but you get the drift.
    Nothing to do with defamation in this case though - the question is surely whether the Representation of the People Act has been breached?
    Yeah, sorry, someone mentioned defamation up thread.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited December 2021
    Leon said:

    If they only have 2 jobs their antibody resistance to OMICRON YE KINGGE OF GERMES is approximately zero.

    They are fucked. Unless it is incredibly mild. All of them will get it, many will go to hospital
    It does look though so far as if it might be mild, or very mild.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    If BJ stays can Ross?


    Maybe he wants more time with his balls? Wouldn't blame him. But I think it's just that 80% of voters in Scotland already thought Mr J is numpty grade or below and only 16& of them thought he was OK. Not a great job to have to preach union and subordination (with possible future abolition of devolution, given Mr J's reported comments) to such a PM.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Downing Street unable to deny that the man appointed to investigate the party may have attended it.

    It should be a very thorough investigation in that case.
  • Over half say Johnson should resign (54%).

    A third of Conservative voters also say this (33%).

    Almost three in five say party attendees should resign (58%). One in five say they should not (22%).

    1,036 UK adults, 8 Dec


    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1468591910348591112
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Leon said:

    If they only have 2 jobs their antibody resistance to OMICRON YE KINGGE OF GERMES is approximately zero.

    They are fucked. Unless it is incredibly mild. All of them will get it, many will go to hospital
    Did you see the report from the hopital in Cape Town ( the 2nd largest in SA) who confirmed that they had zero Covid cases in ICU or in the HDU? Compare that to Italy in late Feb 2020 when Doctors were deciding who to admit and who to leave outside to die.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited December 2021

    Leon said:

    If they only have 2 jobs their antibody resistance to OMICRON YE KINGGE OF GERMES is approximately zero.

    They are fucked. Unless it is incredibly mild. All of them will get it, many will go to hospital
    It does look though so far as if it might be mild, or very mild.
    I fear this might turn out to be similar to the "90% of cases in Wuhan are mild".....the bulk of infections in SA so far have been in the 10-30 year old age group.

    It can still be milder, but its a numbers of game. Too many 50+ year olds not having much protection against, will still result in loads of hospitalizations and deaths even if it is statistically a bit milder than Delta.

    Its really still too early to tell.
  • Over eight in ten (83%) say govt has let the public down over No.10 Xmas party.

    This includes three-quarters of Conservative voters (77%).

    1,036 UK adults, 8 Dec

    Three in ten say they are less likely to follow Covid rules as a result (29%).

    This rises to a third of Labour voters (33%) and those aged 18-34 (33%) who say the same.

    Over half say they are just as likely to follow the rules (54%).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    131 additional confirmed cases of the #Omicron variant of COVID-19 have been reported across the UK.
    The total number of confirmed COVID-19 Omicron cases in the UK is 568.

    Increasing but not flying out of control, yet.
    The curve flattens daily.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    Tested positive. On the day of my planned booster.
    Was awake with a temperature for a couple of hours last night. Sore throat. That's it thus far.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    Leon said:

    If they only have 2 jobs their antibody resistance to OMICRON YE KINGGE OF GERMES is approximately zero.

    They are fucked. Unless it is incredibly mild. All of them will get it, many will go to hospital
    Isn't it too early to say that? There's too many uncertain variables. For instance, whilst antibody response is low, there might be enough B/T-cell response to prevent serious illness.

    It would be rather (By)-ronic if a deactivated virus, like Sinovac, worked 'better' against Omicron than the more complex vaccines. And that's a possibility, if it creates immunity against more than just Covid's spike.
  • IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".

    Ah, that should be easily verified then
    So many of Bojo's problems spiral back to his wife. Perhaps that explains his "buyer's remorse"

    This is not a personal thing. She seems perfectly pleasant to me, albeit a bit air-headed, maybe

    But: cherchez la femme
    No, the story here is quite simple and has nothing to do with his latest wife.

    He’s spent his life getting away with denying things that are true.

    The strategy with the party was - “it was a year ago, they can’t prove anything, just deny the party and say all regulations were complied with”

    Which they’ve been busy parroting all week.

    Except for Dom having got passed the video, it might have worked.
    Minor correction- Boris doesn't always get away with lying; see his brief career at The Times, or his time as Higher Ed spokesman under Howard.

    Where BoJo excels is in failing upwards- getting sacked or dumped and still snagging a better gig or girl.

    He can't do that this time, can he?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    dixiedean said:

    Tested positive. On the day of my planned booster.
    Was awake with a temperature for a couple of hours last night. Sore throat. That's it thus far.

    Hope you feel better soon. Keep an eye on your ox sat if you have a monitor.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Choose your opinion


    On the one hand:

    "Omicron Symptoms ‘Far Milder,’ South Africa Hospital Group CEO Says - Bloomberg"




    https://twitter.com/DoomedRambo/status/1468591040840060944?s=20

    Yay. But on the other


    "The other thing I keep reading is that #Omicron is “mild” — that’s misinformation. It’s mild*er* for *vaccinated* persons. The number of hospitalizations in South Africa (where only 25% of the population is fully vaxed) is rising and the case fatality rate remains ~3%"

    https://twitter.com/DataDrivenMD/status/1467666453591560194?s=20

    Oh
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    The next Supreme Court case, which could well end with a ruling which obliges states to fund what are effectively Christian fundamentalist madrassas.
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/carson-makin-supreme-court-religious-liberty-public-education.html
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    There's nerves in the civil service this afternoon that all the blame for the No 10 Xmas party will be pointed at officials - that's what the Simon Case review could find - even though I understand political advisors were invited (and were due to feature in Xmas 'awards')
    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1468594003948060676
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited December 2021
    Just had a look and I can't find my oximeter, which I bought at the start of the pandemic. There are now loads on Amazon, should one be worried about the quality of those, or is the tech even for cheap Chinese knock-offs good enough?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248

    Leon said:

    If they only have 2 jobs their antibody resistance to OMICRON YE KINGGE OF GERMES is approximately zero.

    They are fucked. Unless it is incredibly mild. All of them will get it, many will go to hospital
    It does look though so far as if it might be mild, or very mild.
    I fear this might turn out to be similar to the "90% of cases in Wuhan are mild".....the bulk of infections in SA so far have been in the 10-30 year old age group.

    It can still be milder, but its a numbers of game. Too many 50+ year olds not having much protection against, will still result in loads of hospitalizations and deaths even if it is statistically a bit milder than Delta.

    Its really still too early to tell.
    In many part of the world, they don't have many older people with other health conditions. Due to a slight intersection with death.

    We do.
  • dixiedean said:

    Tested positive. On the day of my planned booster.
    Was awake with a temperature for a couple of hours last night. Sore throat. That's it thus far.

    Wish you better, Dixie. Hunker down and let us know how you are getting on when you can.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    IanB2 said:

    BREAKING: Downing Street unable to deny that the man appointed to investigate the party may have attended it.

    It should be a very thorough investigation in that case.
    Well they won't be able to fool him, but he may well try to fool us.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213
    Has Johnson ever resigned from any job inc his journalism days?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986

    Leon said:

    If they only have 2 jobs their antibody resistance to OMICRON YE KINGGE OF GERMES is approximately zero.

    They are fucked. Unless it is incredibly mild. All of them will get it, many will go to hospital
    It does look though so far as if it might be mild, or very mild.
    I fear this might turn out to be similar to the "90% of cases in Wuhan are mild".....the bulk of infections in SA so far have been in the 10-30 year old age group.

    It can still be milder, but its a numbers of game. Too many 50+ year olds not having much protection against, will still result in loads of hospitalizations and deaths even if it is statistically a bit milder than Delta.

    Its really still too early to tell.
    To me it looks not dissimilar to Delta. People still catching it, numbers rising rapidly, but prior vaccination or infection doing a good job of reducing severe outcomes.

    The only difference from Delta is potentially speed of spread but that's only a problem if it puts irresistible pressure on the NHS. If it'd a case of either say 3,000 admissions per day over a short sharp 2 month surge (which based on Delta would imply a daily cases of around 250,000+) or 500 admissions per day over a year, and capacity can manage both, then there's an argument that the former might be better for public health long term.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Just had a look and I can't find my oximeter, which I bought at the start of the pandemic. There are now loads on Amazon, should one be worried about the quality of those, or is the tech even for cheap Chinese knock-offs good enough?

    I wonder how many people have bought oximeters.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552
    "Prof. Christina Pagel
    @chrischirp
    I think many elements of plan B could help slow spread. but vaccine passports seem entirely pointless when we have already seen superspreader events of Omicron in fully vaxxed groups."

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1468538711293972481
  • Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
    Mr Carmichael MP got in hot water over that [edit] sort of thing in an election, too, though in a different way.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/09/alistair-carmichael-lib-dem-election-court-throws-out-attempt-to-unseat-mp
    That article has a tag on it saying it's "more than 6 years old" when it's clearly less then 6 years old.
    It's a quirk caused by leap years.

    What it does is count the number of actual days between publication day and today then divides it by 365.

    Now leap years throws that off. As we've had two leap years since publication day it explains why it appears as more than six years old.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Choose your opinion


    On the one hand:

    "Omicron Symptoms ‘Far Milder,’ South Africa Hospital Group CEO Says - Bloomberg"




    https://twitter.com/DoomedRambo/status/1468591040840060944?s=20

    Yay. But on the other


    "The other thing I keep reading is that #Omicron is “mild” — that’s misinformation. It’s mild*er* for *vaccinated* persons. The number of hospitalizations in South Africa (where only 25% of the population is fully vaxed) is rising and the case fatality rate remains ~3%"

    https://twitter.com/DataDrivenMD/status/1467666453591560194?s=20

    Oh

    Overall Covid stats from SA looked a lot better yesterday
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited December 2021
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    new Lib Dem pamphlet being distributed in North Shropshire by-election https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1468586170347098115/photo/1

    Isn't that illegal, if its not true?

    Seems a bit like Phil Woolas in Oldham East and Saddleworth.
    Anything is fair game in an election advert - up to outright lies provided they aren't libel.
    What's the key difference between this and Phil Woolas?
    Phil Woolas did it to a candidate standing in the election.

    All the same, it's at best an unproven extrapolation and at worst an outright lie. The Lib Dems do themselves no favours playing politics like that. No wonder no-one takes them seriously.
    Mr Carmichael MP got in hot water over that [edit] sort of thing in an election, too, though in a different way.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/09/alistair-carmichael-lib-dem-election-court-throws-out-attempt-to-unseat-mp
    That article has a tag on it saying it's "more than 6 years old" when it's clearly less then 6 years old.
    2016 and 2020 were leap years, no? So 6 365-day years and one day?

    Edit: ignore: TSE being very intelligent like me despite a lawyer has resolved it as well.
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