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Could Reform’s Tice surprise us on Thursday? – politicalbetting.com

I’ve just come across a BBC News report on Thursday’s Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election which has the remarkable claim by ReformUK that the party has knocked on 90% of doors in the seat. I find this hard to believe because it is a massive task and for any party to achieve that level of penetration in a Westminster by-election.

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JBriskin3

First like the party that will win this by-election (I have no idea which party)

eek

First - which Tice almost certainly won't be.

Edit Second - which equally Tice won't be.

JBriskin3

eek said:

First - which Tice almost certainly won't be.

Edit Second - which equally Tice won't be.

At least you saved your deposit

maaarsh

Do we know if Starmer is appointng a new shadow home secretary, or just sending out a search party to see if this Thomas-Symonds character he's mentioned actually exists?

IshmaelZ

maaarsh said:

Do we know if Starmer is appointng a new shadow home secretary, or just sending out a search party to see if this Thomas-Symonds character he's mentioned actually exists?

TimS

If Tice does well what will the (no doubt still victorious) Tories take as a lesson from the result:

- We need to be even tougher on asylum seekers
- We need to stop mask mandates and avoid any talk of lockdowns
- We should cut taxes?

All 3 of those are conceivable reasons for a voter in Bexley to put a cross in the Reform box - the first because its antecedents include UKIP and the Brexit Party, the second because of its actual policy platform, or the 3rd by some wider interpretation of a vote for a Thatcherite/Poujadist businessman in a Southern seat.

kjh

I don't believe that header is true (I would believe it of any of the main parties), but even if true do they have the ability to GOTV. It is one thing getting the data another to use it effectively. Was it Peterborough where they seemed not to know what to do or how to do it?

HYUFD

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

JBriskin3

Is Galloways Worker's Party entering the race - they've caused some havoc in the past.

TOPPING

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

kjh

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

If the LDs aren't campaigning they might struggle to get that. If Reform are campaigning heavily they might do better than that and I assume mainly at the cost of the Conservatives. Still expect Conservatives to win though.

TheScreamingEagles

No.

Mexicanpete

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

Surely it is not about if Tice wins, but can he embarrass Johnson enough to let Labour in? Unlikely granted, but this is his function. He is to Johnson what Gorgeous George is to Starmer.

state_go_away

for a bit of fun had a bet on old bexley and sidcup by election in the Ladbrokes minnows sections and the uber minnows section

put a £10 on Greens to beat Lib dems and Reform at 11/4
and another £10 on Heritage to beat UKIP, ED and official mostor raving looney at 9/2

JBriskin3

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

Scores on the doors! Not much managing expectations in that one.

ThomasNashe

While Reform UK’s Richard Tice
Is not associated with any form of vice,
That still doesn’t mean to say he’s nice.
In fact there are many who’d prefer to be infested by lice.

HYUFD

JBriskin3 said:

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

Scores on the doors! Not much managing expectations in that one.

Given the Conservatives got 64% in Old Bexley and Sidcup in 2019 and Labour got 23% it would still be a swing to Labour even if a solid Tory hold

JBriskin3

HYUFD said:

JBriskin3 said:

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

Scores on the doors! Not much managing expectations in that one.

Given the Conservatives got 64% in Old Bexley and Sidcup in 2019 and Labour got 23% it would still be a swing to Labour even if a solid Tory hold

Just checked the betfair odds before I chose to respond.

The market agrees with you-

Con Win 1.1
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

NickPalmer

TimS said:

If Tice does well what will the (no doubt still victorious) Tories take as a lesson from the result:

- We need to be even tougher on asylum seekers
- We need to stop mask mandates and avoid any talk of lockdowns
- We should cut taxes?

All 3 of those are conceivable reasons for a voter in Bexley to put a cross in the Reform box - the first because its antecedents include UKIP and the Brexit Party, the second because of its actual policy platform, or the 3rd by some wider interpretation of a vote for a Thatcherite/Poujadist businessman in a Southern seat.

"Save our boilers!"

JBriskin3

I might have a nibble on the saving the deposit at 6/4 but betfair doesn't have that market and I don't like to get involved with more than one bookmaker as it just causes confusion to me.

Selebian

Farooq said:

state_go_away said:

for a bit of fun had a bet on old bexley and sidcup by election in the Ladbrokes minnows sections and the uber minnows section

put a £10 on Greens to beat Lib dems and Reform at 11/4
and another £10 on Heritage to beat UKIP, ED and official mostor raving looney at 9/2

UKIP still exists?

Political parties never really die, do they?

Somewhere, someone is probably planning to stand in a council seat on a Change UK* ticket!

*Well, that one really did die, I guess. Although arguably it never really lived.

Theuniondivvie

TOPPING said:

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

🎶 Wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers 🎶

MoonRabbit

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

But it’s is interesting how quickly political landscapes transform. Reform do sound like they can build from here into a sharp outfit and persuasive siphon of lots and lots of voters away from the Conservatives? Glossy brochure, canvassing apps, strong confident persuasive leader, most of all very concise punchy right wing populist policies. Don’t you think HYUFD?

For example, why should someone who reads the telegraph or Mail where Tice is clearly getting these policies from, stick with confused and rootless Boris?

maaarsh

Selebian said:

Farooq said:

state_go_away said:

for a bit of fun had a bet on old bexley and sidcup by election in the Ladbrokes minnows sections and the uber minnows section

put a £10 on Greens to beat Lib dems and Reform at 11/4
and another £10 on Heritage to beat UKIP, ED and official mostor raving looney at 9/2

UKIP still exists?

Political parties never really die, do they?

Somewhere, someone is probably planning to stand in a council seat on a Change UK* ticket!

*Well, that one really did die, I guess. Although arguably it never really lived.

Truly, what is dead may never die.

MoonRabbit

NickPalmer said:

TimS said:

If Tice does well what will the (no doubt still victorious) Tories take as a lesson from the result:

- We need to be even tougher on asylum seekers
- We need to stop mask mandates and avoid any talk of lockdowns
- We should cut taxes?

All 3 of those are conceivable reasons for a voter in Bexley to put a cross in the Reform box - the first because its antecedents include UKIP and the Brexit Party, the second because of its actual policy platform, or the 3rd by some wider interpretation of a vote for a Thatcherite/Poujadist businessman in a Southern seat.

"Save our boilers!"

People don’t like change. Someone should set up a party simply saying no more change.
Oh. Silly me. Looks likes Tice has.

Selebian

Theuniondivvie said:

TOPPING said:

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

🎶 Wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers 🎶

When I saw the video, it took me a while to work out the lyrics (partly due to them all singing out of time as well as out of tune). Briefly thought the line was "wearing a mask is like trying to keep a ferret in your trousers". Didn't really see the parallel to be honest.

TheScreamingEagles

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

MattW

maaarsh said:

Selebian said:

Farooq said:

state_go_away said:

for a bit of fun had a bet on old bexley and sidcup by election in the Ladbrokes minnows sections and the uber minnows section

put a £10 on Greens to beat Lib dems and Reform at 11/4
and another £10 on Heritage to beat UKIP, ED and official mostor raving looney at 9/2

UKIP still exists?

Political parties never really die, do they?

Somewhere, someone is probably planning to stand in a council seat on a Change UK* ticket!

*Well, that one really did die, I guess. Although arguably it never really lived.

Truly, what is dead may never die.

Change UK?

Carnyx

Selebian said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TOPPING said:

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

🎶 Wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers 🎶

When I saw the video, it took me a while to work out the lyrics (partly due to them all singing out of time as well as out of tune). Briefly thought the line was "wearing a mask is like trying to keep a ferret in your trousers". Didn't really see the parallel to be honest.

I thoiught that was the point, to keep it in?

Scott_xP

Labour source says Nick Thomas-Symonds out as Shadow Home Sec, Emily Thornberry in.
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1465318041072324614

maaarsh

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

I just hope the old one is found safe and sound.

Burgessian

kjh said:

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

If the LDs aren't campaigning they might struggle to get that. If Reform are campaigning heavily they might do better than that and I assume mainly at the cost of the Conservatives. Still expect Conservatives to win though.

I'd be surprised if Conservatives got as much as 55% (HYUFD's forecast). They'd be deservedly very pleased if they did. Think it will be south of 50% but a probable win as Labour will have a definite ceiling in a constituency like OB&S. Tories are always far more vulnerable when LibDems emerge as the challengers (eg, North Shropshire, which I think they likely lose.)

eek

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

May as well post this https://order-order.com/2014/11/24/lady-nugees-walled-garden/

TimS

kjh said:

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

If the LDs aren't campaigning they might struggle to get that. If Reform are campaigning heavily they might do better than that and I assume mainly at the cost of the Conservatives. Still expect Conservatives to win though.

I had an email from London Lib Dems today. Half hearted mention of some leafletting in Bexley. They really aren't bothering with this one. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lost deposit, especially if Labour pick up remain voters.

Nigel_Foremain

Apparently Angela Rayner says she wants Labour to be seen as fit for government, though she seems to lack self awareness because surely that would put her out of a job?

kinabalu

6/4 sounds good value on Tice beating 5%. I find him a bit of an airhead myself but I can imagine him giving good doorstep. So many of these 'populist right' characters give off a rather acrid aroma (as I imagine it) but Tice not so much. He's more 'man who'd charm you out of your pension lump sum', which is just what you want for a fringe party candidate in a by-election.

maaarsh

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

May as well post this https://order-order.com/2014/11/24/lady-nugees-walled-garden/

and this

https://twitter.com/meggiefoster/status/1260495050431254538

IshmaelZ

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

I bet she asks the Speaker to call her that. Titled posho party.

Anabobazina

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

Why call her by her husband's name?

Bizarre.

Anabobazina

IshmaelZ said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

I bet she asks the Speaker to call her that. Titled posho party.

How much do you wanna bet?

Anabobazina

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

May as well post this https://order-order.com/2014/11/24/lady-nugees-walled-garden/

Zzzzzzzzz.

JBriskin3

#LabourReshuffle

Nigel_Foremain

eek said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

May as well post this https://order-order.com/2014/11/24/lady-nugees-walled-garden/

Being a hypocrite when it comes to making money has never been a disbarment for Labour high office and neither should it be. I think the Tories will be worried by this appointment. She actually has gravitas. A few more appointments like this and Labour starts to look more serious. Mrs Balls perhaps?

TOPPING

kinabalu said:

6/4 sounds good value on Tice beating 5%. I find him a bit of an airhead myself but I can imagine him giving good doorstep. So many of these 'populist right' characters give off a rather acrid aroma (as I imagine it) but Tice not so much. He's more 'man who'd charm you out of your pension lump sum', which is just what you want for a fringe party candidate in a by-election.

He went to Uppingham. Which I accept is a far cry from Haileybury but not a bad place, all things considered.

Nigel_Foremain

Farooq said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Apparently Angela Rayner says she wants Labour to be seen as fit for government, though she seems to lack self awareness because surely that would put her out of a job?

Higher net popularity than Boris, though

and a similar level of unsuitability for high office.

HYUFD

Scott_xP said:

Labour source says Nick Thomas-Symonds out as Shadow Home Sec, Emily Thornberry in.
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1465318041072324614

Suggests Cooper may replace Nandy at Shadow Foreign Sec or Green at Education then if Thornberry is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Reeves presumably staying as Shadow Chancellor

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

England flags on standby.

TimS

NickPalmer said:

TimS said:

If Tice does well what will the (no doubt still victorious) Tories take as a lesson from the result:

- We need to be even tougher on asylum seekers
- We need to stop mask mandates and avoid any talk of lockdowns
- We should cut taxes?

All 3 of those are conceivable reasons for a voter in Bexley to put a cross in the Reform box - the first because its antecedents include UKIP and the Brexit Party, the second because of its actual policy platform, or the 3rd by some wider interpretation of a vote for a Thatcherite/Poujadist businessman in a Southern seat.

"Save our boilers!"

There's actually a whole catalogue of selectively crowd pleasing policies where a true poujadist party could make hay with a certain part of the middle aged male vote. Cut the extortionate fuel duty, no more annoying speed bumps, get rid of road-narrowing cycle lanes (and the bus lanes while they're at it), ditch those mad health and safety rules, bring anything you want to the tip, liberalise those pesky building regs etc.

CarlottaVance

Thats an oooooold photo of Mr Tice:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58781447

Nigel_Foremain

MoonRabbit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

Ha ha. She’s proper rubbish. Matron from the carry on films. 🤣

That's what I love about PB. The sophisticated political insight.

HYUFD

Farooq said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Apparently Angela Rayner says she wants Labour to be seen as fit for government, though she seems to lack self awareness because surely that would put her out of a job?

Higher net popularity than Boris, though

Preferred PM

Johnson 48%
Rayner 18%

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1448227495115907074?s=20

kinabalu

TimS said:

If Tice does well what will the (no doubt still victorious) Tories take as a lesson from the result:

- We need to be even tougher on asylum seekers
- We need to stop mask mandates and avoid any talk of lockdowns
- We should cut taxes?

All 3 of those are conceivable reasons for a voter in Bexley to put a cross in the Reform box - the first because its antecedents include UKIP and the Brexit Party, the second because of its actual policy platform, or the 3rd by some wider interpretation of a vote for a Thatcherite/Poujadist businessman in a Southern seat.

On point 2, I don't know if people have had the chance to watch the song released today "Wearing a Mask is like Trying to Keep a Fart in your Trousers". Tice doesn't feature but Piers Corbyn totally does.

Gardenwalker

Not sure about the return of Thornberry (not that she actually went away). She’s marmite.

Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now.

Mexicanpete

HYUFD said:

Farooq said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Apparently Angela Rayner says she wants Labour to be seen as fit for government, though she seems to lack self awareness because surely that would put her out of a job?

Higher net popularity than Boris, though

Preferred PM

Johnson 48%
Rayner 18%

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1448227495115907074?s=20

Farooq said net.

TimS

kinabalu said:

6/4 sounds good value on Tice beating 5%. I find him a bit of an airhead myself but I can imagine him giving good doorstep. So many of these 'populist right' characters give off a rather acrid aroma (as I imagine it) but Tice not so much. He's more 'man who'd charm you out of your pension lump sum', which is just what you want for a fringe party candidate in a by-election.

Yes, he has a rather '80s aura. Very Howard's Way.

BlancheLivermore

Why does I'm A Celebrity "news" make it anywhere near the BBC?

kinabalu

Theuniondivvie said:

TOPPING said:

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

🎶 Wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers 🎶

Ah good, somebody HAS seen it.

Christmas number 1 is the aim, I think.

SandyRentool

Scott_xP said:

Labour source says Nick Thomas-Symonds out as Shadow Home Sec, Emily Thornberry in.
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1465318041072324614

Time to put the flags out.

MoonRabbit

Nigel_Foremain said:

MoonRabbit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

Ha ha. She’s proper rubbish. Matron from the carry on films. 🤣

That's what I love about PB. The sophisticated political insight.

Over the weekend I was getting worried we might get a Labour government. Looks like Starmer has put that worry to death today 🙂

Nigel_Foremain

HYUFD said:

Farooq said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

Apparently Angela Rayner says she wants Labour to be seen as fit for government, though she seems to lack self awareness because surely that would put her out of a job?

Higher net popularity than Boris, though

Preferred PM

Johnson 48%
Rayner 18%

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1448227495115907074?s=20

I think Rayner as a possible PM is about the only thing that might be able to persuade me to vote for Johnson's Popular Front of Peppa Pigland

TOPPING

On topic. Well one of them.

Just started listening to Purple Rain from Live in RIo. 11mins 35 secs.

Fantastic.

Theuniondivvie

CarlottaVance said:

Thats an oooooold photo of Mr Tice:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58781447

That's a photo of oooooold Mr Tice.

Is he the one out of that Respect etc mob that wears a wig?

TOPPING

Gardenwalker said:

Not sure about the return of Thornberry (not that she actually went away). She’s marmite.

Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now.

I think she's great in that (albeit ex-) Tory liking Labour politicians they would never in a million years vote for*.

*See entire Lab shadow cabinet.

Theuniondivvie

kinabalu said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TOPPING said:

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

🎶 Wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers 🎶

Ah good, somebody HAS seen it.

Christmas number 1 is the aim, I think.

A Christmas no 2 would indicate that they've followed through.

MoonRabbit

Gardenwalker said:

Not sure about the return of Thornberry (not that she actually went away). She’s marmite.

Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now.

“ Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now. “.

Why? Not if Thornberry says a lot of silly things about policy like she said about nuclear weapons and becomes the story.

SandyRentool

Seriously. Thornberry. Yet another north London hand-wringer.

Could Starmer not find a midlander or northerner who shares the priorities of voters in the seats we need to win? We need to out-Priti Priti on home affairs, and show that we would succeed where she is failing.

A bad appointment.

Selebian

Carnyx said:

Selebian said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TOPPING said:

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

🎶 Wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers 🎶

When I saw the video, it took me a while to work out the lyrics (partly due to them all singing out of time as well as out of tune). Briefly thought the line was "wearing a mask is like trying to keep a ferret in your trousers". Didn't really see the parallel to be honest.

I thoiught that was the point, to keep it in?

Well, there is that. Maybe there are parallels. Uncomfortable, makes social interactions a bit trickier, but ultimately serves a purpose?

Maybe there's a public awareness ad campaign there, like the old FACT ones with the person stealing a car (equivalent to copying a DVD).
"You wouldn't share your ferret. Don't share your Covid. Wear a mask"

MikeSmithson

JBriskin3 said:

HYUFD said:

JBriskin3 said:

HYUFD said:

I doubt he will win but I expect RefUK to beat the LDs for third.

I would expect a result on Thursday something like Conservatives 55% Labour 28% RefUK 10% LDs 5% Others 2%

Scores on the doors! Not much managing expectations in that one.

Given the Conservatives got 64% in Old Bexley and Sidcup in 2019 and Labour got 23% it would still be a swing to Labour even if a solid Tory hold

Just checked the betfair odds before I chose to respond.

The market agrees with you-

Con Win 1.1
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961

Betfair had tighter odds than that on the Tories in Chesham & Amersham

IshmaelZ

TOPPING said:

On topic. Well one of them.

Just started listening to Purple Rain from Live in RIo. 11mins 35 secs.

Fantastic.

I am perplexed. What happens to the guitar when he chucks it in the air at the end of while My Guitar Gently Weeps? is it on strings?

valleyboy

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

I fear for Pritti Patel

JBriskin3

BlancheLivermore said:

Why does I'm A Celebrity "news" make it anywhere near the BBC?

Because the BBC is crap - which wouldn't be a problem in itself - but is also the most regressive tax we have in the UK

Fysics_Teacher

TOPPING said:

Gardenwalker said:

Not sure about the return of Thornberry (not that she actually went away). She’s marmite.

Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now.

I think she's great in that (albeit ex-) Tory liking Labour politicians they would never in a million years vote for*.

*See entire Lab shadow cabinet.

Is there a typo in that? I can’t work out what you are saying.

SandyRentool

BlancheLivermore said:

Why does I'm A Celebrity "news" make it anywhere near the BBC?

Makes a change from banging on about Adele.

MoonRabbit

SandyRentool said:

Seriously. Thornberry. Yet another north London hand-wringer.

Could Starmer not find a midlander or northerner who shares the priorities of voters in the seats we need to win? We need to out-Priti Priti on home affairs, and show that we would succeed where she is failing.

A bad appointment.

This absolutely spot on. In one move alone votes lost where needed in Wales with no useful votes gained in London.
Also silly for Labour to shadow home office with left winger, Nandy should do it being most right winger in cabinet.

Anabobazina

HYUFD said:

Scott_xP said:

Labour source says Nick Thomas-Symonds out as Shadow Home Sec, Emily Thornberry in.
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1465318041072324614

Suggests Cooper may replace Nandy at Shadow Foreign Sec or Green at Education then if Thornberry is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Reeves presumably staying as Shadow Chancellor

Sir Keir's Angels?

JBriskin3

If Cooper-Balls makes it to the shadow cabinet then can we confirm that the Starmer is a true Blairite and the next GE is Game On.

FrancisUrquhart

Ray Illingworth reveals he is fighting cancer - and wants the right to end his own life

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2021/11/29/exclusive-ray-illingworth-reveals-fighting-cancer-wants-right/

Nigel_Foremain

MoonRabbit said:

Nigel_Foremain said:

MoonRabbit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Lady Nugee is the new Shadow Home Secretary.

Fantastic appointment.

Ha ha. She’s proper rubbish. Matron from the carry on films. 🤣

That's what I love about PB. The sophisticated political insight.

Over the weekend I was getting worried we might get a Labour government. Looks like Starmer has put that worry to death today 🙂

If that is your idea of a witty repost you might be disappointed to know I am a (lapsed) Tory. If you are worried about a Labour government you should be concerned that Starmer might be putting serious people in shadow cabinet positions and making Johnson's government look even more lightweight and ridiculous than it does already. Surprised he hasn't done it before tbh. If he brings in Cooper and other people that don't scare floating voters then Peppa Pig might get the chance for a new full time brand ambassador

Anabobazina

SandyRentool said:

Seriously. Thornberry. Yet another north London hand-wringer.

Could Starmer not find a midlander or northerner who shares the priorities of voters in the seats we need to win? We need to out-Priti Priti on home affairs, and show that we would succeed where she is failing.

A bad appointment.

Out Priti Priti – what, be even more rightwing, thick and incompetent?

Not sure I agree.

state_go_away

state_go_away said:

for a bit of fun had a bet on old bexley and sidcup by election in the Ladbrokes minnows sections and the uber minnows section

put a £10 on Greens to beat Lib dems and Reform at 11/4
and another £10 on Heritage to beat UKIP, ED and official mostor raving looney at 9/2

As does sometimes happen, I place a bet , post on here then see some narrative that makes me think twice - so stepped in for a more serious bet on Reform at 2/1 to beat LD and Greens at £30. Effectively made the green bet earlier a "saver" .

Given what people are posting on here Reform at 2/1 to beat LD and Greens looks value

Mexicanpete

MoonRabbit said:

SandyRentool said:

Seriously. Thornberry. Yet another north London hand-wringer.

Could Starmer not find a midlander or northerner who shares the priorities of voters in the seats we need to win? We need to out-Priti Priti on home affairs, and show that we would succeed where she is failing.

A bad appointment.

This absolutely spot on. In one move alone votes lost where needed in Wales with no useful votes gained in London.
Also silly for Labour to shadow home office with left winger, Nandy should do it being most right winger in cabinet.

I live in Wales and I couldn't tell you who or what Nick Thomas-Symonds looks or sounds like. And now I need never know.

Nigel_Foremain

JBriskin3 said:

If Cooper-Balls makes it to the shadow cabinet then can we confirm that the Starmer is a true Blairite and the next GE is Game On.

It would show that Labour is serious about winning again

Philip_Thompson

The most shocking part of the thread header is that it uses the word penetration in the first paragraph and it wasn't written by @TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart

Nissan backs Sunderland plant as it announces £13billion investment in electric vehicles

"In Europe, Sunderland is the one which will take the lead towards electrification."

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-backs-sunderland-plant-as-it-announces-ps13billion-investment-in-electric-vehicles-3474806

Nigel_Foremain

IshmaelZ said:

TOPPING said:

On topic. Well one of them.

Just started listening to Purple Rain from Live in RIo. 11mins 35 secs.

Fantastic.

I am perplexed. What happens to the guitar when he chucks it in the air at the end of while My Guitar Gently Weeps? is it on strings?

A roady is ready!

BlancheLivermore

Good news for fans of Thornberry's return, Dan Hodges agrees with you -

@DPJHodges
16m
I actually think Emily Thornberry to Shadow Home Affairs is a good move. Whatever White Van baggage she might carry, she's a scrapper. And Labour need that in that brief.

eek

FrancisUrquhart said:

Nissan backs Sunderland plant as it announces £13billion investment in electric vehicles

"In Europe, Sunderland is the one which will take the lead towards electrification."

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-backs-sunderland-plant-as-it-announces-ps13billion-investment-in-electric-vehicles-3474806

Nissan doesn't really have any other European factories and Nissan's relationship with Renault isn't what it was.

TOPPING

Fysics_Teacher said:

TOPPING said:

Gardenwalker said:

Not sure about the return of Thornberry (not that she actually went away). She’s marmite.

Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now.

I think she's great in that (albeit ex-) Tory liking Labour politicians they would never in a million years vote for*.

*See entire Lab shadow cabinet.

Is there a typo in that? I can’t work out what you are saying.

Plenty of Tories on here say what a great politician and how big fans they are of XYZ Lab politician, and how they should be made leader of the Party but it's not going to translate into a vote for that politician and Party.

DavidL

FrancisUrquhart said:

Nissan backs Sunderland plant as it announces £13billion investment in electric vehicles

"In Europe, Sunderland is the one which will take the lead towards electrification."

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-backs-sunderland-plant-as-it-announces-ps13billion-investment-in-electric-vehicles-3474806

Wow, that is seriously good news for UK plc.

MoonRabbit

Mexicanpete said:

MoonRabbit said:

SandyRentool said:

Seriously. Thornberry. Yet another north London hand-wringer.

Could Starmer not find a midlander or northerner who shares the priorities of voters in the seats we need to win? We need to out-Priti Priti on home affairs, and show that we would succeed where she is failing.

A bad appointment.

This absolutely spot on. In one move alone votes lost where needed in Wales with no useful votes gained in London.
Also silly for Labour to shadow home office with left winger, Nandy should do it being most right winger in cabinet.

I live in Wales and I couldn't tell you who or what Nick Thomas-Symonds looks or sounds like. And now I need never know.

To be honest I thought he was okay. It’s lazy on here to save he was completely rubbish. He dressed smart. He spoke sensibly and clearly. On the news a lot last week. Wasn’t horribly opportunist about the issues in the channel like Nandy was over the weekend. He looked like a safe pair of hands for government.

Philip_Thompson

FrancisUrquhart said:

Nissan backs Sunderland plant as it announces £13billion investment in electric vehicles

"In Europe, Sunderland is the one which will take the lead towards electrification."

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-backs-sunderland-plant-as-it-announces-ps13billion-investment-in-electric-vehicles-3474806

That is fantastic news.

And people said the voters in Sunderland were stupid to vote for Brexit because it'd be the death of Nissan there.

Philip_Thompson

TOPPING said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

TOPPING said:

Gardenwalker said:

Not sure about the return of Thornberry (not that she actually went away). She’s marmite.

Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now.

I think she's great in that (albeit ex-) Tory liking Labour politicians they would never in a million years vote for*.

*See entire Lab shadow cabinet.

Is there a typo in that? I can’t work out what you are saying.

Plenty of Tories on here say what a great politician and how big fans they are of XYZ Lab politician, and how they should be made leader of the Party but it's not going to translate into a vote for that politician and Party.

As HYUFD is never shy of telling us, there's a fair few Tories [or ex-Tories] on this site who voted for Blair.

FrancisUrquhart

eek said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Nissan backs Sunderland plant as it announces £13billion investment in electric vehicles

"In Europe, Sunderland is the one which will take the lead towards electrification."

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-backs-sunderland-plant-as-it-announces-ps13billion-investment-in-electric-vehicles-3474806

Nissan doesn't really have any other European factories and Nissan's relationship with Renault isn't what it was.

Quite understandable, who wants to work with the French if you don't have to....all those union rules, short working week, long holidays, constant strike action. Even the French don't want to, that's 500k of them live in London.

Is that my quota for French bashing used up?

Taz

Philip_Thompson said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Nissan backs Sunderland plant as it announces £13billion investment in electric vehicles

"In Europe, Sunderland is the one which will take the lead towards electrification."

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business/nissan-backs-sunderland-plant-as-it-announces-ps13billion-investment-in-electric-vehicles-3474806

That is fantastic news.

And people said the voters in Sunderland were stupid to vote for Brexit because it'd be the death of Nissan there.

Worse than that people were actively wanting Nissan to pull out of Sunderland to teach people here a lesson. FBPE types on Twitter and the like.

I wonder if they have any jobs. I’m tiring of trains

Anabobazina

JBriskin3 said:

If Cooper-Balls makes it to the shadow cabinet then can we confirm that the Starmer is a true Blairite and the next GE is Game On.

Fair point, but I note that you are another one who insists on calling a professional woman by her husband's name. Why? Did you refer to Ed Balls as Ed Cooper?

MattW

Mexicanpete said:

MoonRabbit said:

SandyRentool said:

Seriously. Thornberry. Yet another north London hand-wringer.

Could Starmer not find a midlander or northerner who shares the priorities of voters in the seats we need to win? We need to out-Priti Priti on home affairs, and show that we would succeed where she is failing.

A bad appointment.

This absolutely spot on. In one move alone votes lost where needed in Wales with no useful votes gained in London.
Also silly for Labour to shadow home office with left winger, Nandy should do it being most right winger in cabinet.

I live in Wales and I couldn't tell you who or what Nick Thomas-Symonds looks or sounds like. And now I need never know.

Nadia Whittome for Shadow Home Sec.

Er ...

SandyRentool

Anabobazina said:

SandyRentool said:

Seriously. Thornberry. Yet another north London hand-wringer.

Could Starmer not find a midlander or northerner who shares the priorities of voters in the seats we need to win? We need to out-Priti Priti on home affairs, and show that we would succeed where she is failing.

A bad appointment.

Out Priti Priti – what, be even more rightwing, thick and incompetent?

Not sure I agree.

More police.

Arrest the criminals - and get them locked up.

Make people feel safe in their homes and in the street.

Sort out the boats in the Channel.

All stuff that Priti is failing on.


Not blaming society for the criminal behaviours of a bunch of scrotes and making out that they are somehow the victims.

BlancheLivermore

Theuniondivvie said:

kinabalu said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TOPPING said:

I can promise you that the more the govt talks about new restrictions the more I am going to look to see where RefUK is standing.

🎶 Wearing a mask is like trying to keep a fart in your trousers 🎶

Ah good, somebody HAS seen it.

Christmas number 1 is the aim, I think.

A Christmas no 2 would indicate that they've followed through.

@mrnickharvey
I’ve fixed the sound on that Piers Corbyn video.
https://twitter.com/mrnickharvey/status/1465285032956805124

Mexicanpete

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Philip_Thompson said:

TOPPING said:

Fysics_Teacher said:

TOPPING said:

Gardenwalker said:

Not sure about the return of Thornberry (not that she actually went away). She’s marmite.

Still, we can expect a bit more pressure on Patel now.

I think she's great in that (albeit ex-) Tory liking Labour politicians they would never in a million years vote for*.

*See entire Lab shadow cabinet.

Is there a typo in that? I can’t work out what you are saying.

Plenty of Tories on here say what a great politician and how big fans they are of XYZ Lab politician, and how they should be made leader of the Party but it's not going to translate into a vote for that politician and Party.

As HYUFD is never shy of telling us, there's a fair few Tories [or ex-Tories] on this site who voted for Blair.

Quisling!

IshmaelZ

Nigel_Foremain said:

IshmaelZ said:

TOPPING said:

On topic. Well one of them.

Just started listening to Purple Rain from Live in RIo. 11mins 35 secs.

Fantastic.

I am perplexed. What happens to the guitar when he chucks it in the air at the end of while My Guitar Gently Weeps? is it on strings?

A roady is ready!

TY