I bet a bloke down the pub 9.3k he'd lead by mid Nov!
You were saying a few weeks ago that Boris's opponents were always generally predicting a day of judgment/comeuppance for him, but it never actually arrived.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
We are 11 years into a Tory government, there are bound to be a few putting Labour ahead.
Kinnock and Ed Miliband led in plenty of polls midterm, often by a large margin.
The end result though of most current polls, including this one, is the same, a hung parliament and Labour would need SNP confidence and supply for a majority and to get legislation through. Even if the Tories are ahead on seats, or Labour is ahead on seats as with this poll
I hope you have learned your lesson about relying on polls taken the day after a significant political event, at least.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
We are 11 years into a Tory government, there are bound to be a few putting Labour ahead.
Kinnock and Ed Miliband led in plenty of polls midterm, often by a large margin.
The end result though of most current polls, including this one, is the same, a hung parliament and Labour would need SNP confidence and supply for a majority and to get legislation through. Even if the Tories are ahead on seats, or Labour is ahead on seats as with this poll
You are incredibly blind, because you are not stupid as far as I can tell, to be so complacent
This is a crisis engulfing the conservative party that is only going to get worse while the architect of this crisis still leads the party and country
He should acknowledge his error and resign before the red wall mps arrange for it
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Like Ed Miliband?
It will be interesting to see if these midterm polls continue like they did under Ed, and how realistic they are?
This is a completely different scenario. The coalition was going to continue with those leaders for 5 years as agreed. This is no coalition - Boris is not protected by any agreements.
Its not the electorate he needs to fear. Its the Conservative party whose track record in removing faulty leaders with speed is second to none.
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Like Ed Miliband?
It will be interesting to see if these midterm polls continue like they did under Ed, and how realistic they are?
This is a completely different scenario. The coalition was going to continue with those leaders for 5 years as agreed. This is no coalition - Boris is not protected by any agreements.
Its not the electorate he needs to fear. Its the Conservative party whose track record in removing faulty leaders with speed is second to none.
I hope you are right. Not for the sake of the Tory party - I really don't give two hoots about them (nor any other party for that matter) but because I am not sure the country can survive another 3 years of Johnson in charge.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
We are 11 years into a Tory government, there are bound to be a few putting Labour ahead.
Kinnock and Ed Miliband led in plenty of polls midterm, often by a large margin.
The end result though of most current polls, including this one, is the same, a hung parliament and Labour would need SNP confidence and supply for a majority and to get legislation through. Even if the Tories are ahead on seats, or Labour is ahead on seats as with this poll
You are incredibly blind, because you are not stupid as far as I can tell, to be so complacent
This is a crisis engulfing the conservative party that is only going to get worse while the architect of this crisis still leads the party and country
He should acknowledge his error and resign before the red wall mps arrange for it
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
If that doesn't see the letters going in then what will
Boris has 'Ratnered' the brand
For goodness sake you don't remove your most electorally successful leader since Thatcher because of one bad poll.
If Labour get a 10 point+ lead they hold consistently for 6 months then maybe, not now
One bad poll, and you consider yourself an expert on polling
Since Paterson error the polls have only been going one way and there is no sign this is going to pass anytime soon
The sleaze is unacceptable, and for any decent conservative now they need to ensure they condemn it 100% and seek to install a leader of integrity to take the action to clear out the spives from the HOC
Looking at the previous thread, where on Earth are people getting the number of 6 kids dead with covid in six months? There were 7 dead in England and Wales last week alone. This may be okay, but we should use the accurate numbers rather than someone saying they vaguely remembered a figure from somewhere or other and having everyone use it as the solid data from which to make the call.
There seems to be 98 under 20 deaths in England in total:
Given that only about 10% of total covid deaths have happened in the last six months then the number kids dying from it in that period might well be in single figures.
Of those seven in the most recent week, one was a baby (under 1 year old), one was pre-school age (1-4 years old), two were in the 10-14 age category, and three were teens in the 15-19 group.
That’s in the most recent ONS week (commencing 22nd October).
The Telegraph deliberately published misleading bollocks. For the six months up to February. I mean, I was pissed off when the NHS England CEO used an August to August comparison to mislead on the hospitalisation figures, but at least that was since Delta started.
The vast majority of covid cases in children in England have happened since the date they chose. And then they excluded anyone with the slightest medical condition. I mean, my dyslexic daughter would be out on those grounds (dyslexia is a pre-existing condition). As mentioned, David Beckham at his height wouldn’t make the grade as “healthy.” Neither would Paula Radcliffe.
Not to mention all those thousands of kids hospitalised. Half of whom even did make the “absolutely no hint of anything” category.
(Edit: and given the graph shows 71 deaths under 20 in England and Wales - all since February - it should be fairly clear that most of those 98 have happened since the Telegraph’s selected dates)
NHS England gives a total of 75 deaths in the 0-19 group of which 34 have been in the last six months:
To which can be added some for non-hospital deaths and a few more for Wales and some subtracted for those aged 19 (or even more if 17s and 18s aren't included).
So the Telegraph is certainly wrong and using out of date data.
On the other hand your '7 in the last week' also gives the wrong impression - there were 5 NHS deaths in w/e 29/10/21 but only a single one in the week before that and also in the week after that.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
We are 11 years into a Tory government, there are bound to be a few putting Labour ahead.
Kinnock and Ed Miliband led in plenty of polls midterm, often by a large margin.
The end result though of most current polls, including this one, is the same, a hung parliament and Labour would need SNP confidence and supply for a majority and to get legislation through. Even if the Tories are ahead on seats, or Labour is ahead on seats as with this poll
You are incredibly blind, because you are not stupid as far as I can tell, to be so complacent
This is a crisis engulfing the conservative party that is only going to get worse while the architect of this crisis still leads the party and country
He should acknowledge his error and resign before the red wall mps arrange for it
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
We are 11 years into a Tory government, there are bound to be a few putting Labour ahead.
Kinnock and Ed Miliband led in plenty of polls midterm, often by a large margin.
The end result though of most current polls, including this one, is the same, a hung parliament and Labour would need SNP confidence and supply for a majority and to get legislation through. Even if the Tories are ahead on seats, or Labour is ahead on seats as with this poll
You are incredibly blind, because you are not stupid as far as I can tell, to be so complacent
This is a crisis engulfing the conservative party that is only going to get worse while the architect of this crisis still leads the party and country
He should acknowledge his error and resign before the red wall mps arrange for it
The difference being I am not sure Starmer is crap. Well, he is probably going to be crap by my measure as I am not a leftie. But that does not mean he is not competent and would quite possibly make a good PM. So whilst I couldn't vote for him because of his general philosophy and politics, I would not fear his victory in the way I think I would probably fear Johnson continuing as PM. I think there will be a large number of people on both sides of the Brexit debate who feel the same way.
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
Isn’t that relevant or important. I think it’s a four years wasted because of political dogma.
And it’s also politics before a lack of humanity.
Yes it featured in the 1800 news on Radio 4 that 2/3 were accepted as asylum seekers either on first application or appeal.
It was also commented that overall numbers are down, it is just that the percentage arriving by dingy has shot up. Presumably the numbers arriving by lorry or air are markedly down.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Though that does of course mean Starmer would then have to call indyref2, so it would then become Labour's problem
If those figures were replicated at a GE, Labour + Lib Dems would be close enough, even on the new boundaries, to exclude the SNP and dare them to vote with the Tories.
The difference being I am not sure Starmer is crap. Well, he is probably going to be crap by my measure as I am not a leftie. But that does not mean he is not competent and would quite possibly make a good PM. So whilst I couldn't vote for him because of his general philosophy and politics, I would not fear his victory in the way I think I would probably fear Johnson continuing as PM. I think there will be a large number of people on both sides of the Brexit debate who feel the same way.
I’m not saying he is crap. The comparison I’m making is between the reaction to mid term polls in the 2015 electoral cycle and the reaction to this weeks polls.
They are dying because of Brexit. I am not the one that voted for it.
They are not dying because of Brexit
They are dying because they want to come to our country and France is not only encouraging them, but actually putting their lives in danger
You disgust me in your utter loss of balance when everything is brexit in your hatred of it
It’s probably more complicated than this argument. You might be making a political/nationalistic point scoring contest out of problem that is really strong mcmafia type gangs being problem. International gangs. Because when they bundled all the boats together on the news I was thinking, very similar boats, how do they get hold of them. That’s a lot of people paying a lot of money and a lot of boats? If the boat belongs in France to someone who accidentally looked the other way and it was gone, and they a bit richerdoes it go back to them and come back again do you know?
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
Isn’t that relevant or important. I think it’s a four years wasted because of political dogma.
And it’s also politics before a lack of humanity.
I do not think you will find anyone on this forum who accuses me of not watching the news, but as you have raised it please provide the link to the BBC report. I
I have noted you have included the BBC report
However, you accuse @Philip_Thompson of being a bot which if you had followed his posts over the years he most certainly is not
Maybe you do not agree with him, but I would suggest as a new poster a little bit of self awareness would be good
The difference being I am not sure Starmer is crap. Well, he is probably going to be crap by my measure as I am not a leftie. But that does not mean he is not competent and would quite possibly make a good PM. So whilst I couldn't vote for him because of his general philosophy and politics, I would not fear his victory in the way I think I would probably fear Johnson continuing as PM. I think there will be a large number of people on both sides of the Brexit debate who feel the same way.
I’m not saying he is crap. The comparison I’m making is between the reaction to mid term polls in the 2015 electoral cycle and the reaction to this weeks polls.
I think there is a fundamental difference. Cameron was not viewed as a figure of scorn and idiocy. He had lots of opponents and lots of people who tried to make him out to be a toff and an idiot but his general demeanor and particularly his ability to treat situations with the right amount of seriousness - just like any competent politician - made it somewhat harder for those attacks to stick. All of Johnson's weaknesses are of his own making and every time he does or says anything he simply reinforces the idea that he is an utter clown.
Tis going to be a weird election when the Tories become the party of the north
If their red wall MPs want to save their seats they will need to disassociate themselves from this toxic hell. That means removing the clown presiding over this corruption.
Looking at the previous thread, where on Earth are people getting the number of 6 kids dead with covid in six months? There were 7 dead in England and Wales last week alone. This may be okay, but we should use the accurate numbers rather than someone saying they vaguely remembered a figure from somewhere or other and having everyone use it as the solid data from which to make the call.
There seems to be 98 under 20 deaths in England in total:
Given that only about 10% of total covid deaths have happened in the last six months then the number kids dying from it in that period might well be in single figures.
Of those seven in the most recent week, one was a baby (under 1 year old), one was pre-school age (1-4 years old), two were in the 10-14 age category, and three were teens in the 15-19 group.
That’s in the most recent ONS week (commencing 22nd October).
The Telegraph deliberately published misleading bollocks. For the six months up to February. I mean, I was pissed off when the NHS England CEO used an August to August comparison to mislead on the hospitalisation figures, but at least that was since Delta started.
The vast majority of covid cases in children in England have happened since the date they chose. And then they excluded anyone with the slightest medical condition. I mean, my dyslexic daughter would be out on those grounds (dyslexia is a pre-existing condition). As mentioned, David Beckham at his height wouldn’t make the grade as “healthy.” Neither would Paula Radcliffe.
Not to mention all those thousands of kids hospitalised. Half of whom even did make the “absolutely no hint of anything” category.
(Edit: and given the graph shows 71 deaths under 20 in England and Wales - all since February - it should be fairly clear that most of those 98 have happened since the Telegraph’s selected dates)
NHS England gives a total of 75 deaths in the 0-19 group of which 34 have been in the last six months:
To which can be added some for non-hospital deaths and a few more for Wales and some subtracted for those aged 19 (or even more if 17s and 18s aren't included).
So the Telegraph is certainly wrong and using out of date data.
On the other hand your '7 in the last week' also gives the wrong impression - there were 5 NHS deaths in w/e 29/10/21 but only a single one in the week before that and also in the week after that.
From memory 34 in six months would be comparable to the number who die on the roads in the same time period.
I wonder if we will now see a domino effect across the EU, as Holland falls first. Several countries are in a worse state
Latvia went into lockdown a while ago.
It did?!
Thanks
It is surprisingly hard to get basic facts on this stuff. Worldwide lockdowns. The Resilience Indices are all too opaque
There needs to be -perhaps there is - a map or a website where you can just click and it just says "X country has these restrictions: masks, curfew, vaxports to this extent, and now the 4th lockdown blahblah"
I was thinking about the Baltics for my October trip
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
We are 11 years into a Tory government, there are bound to be a few putting Labour ahead.
Kinnock and Ed Miliband led in plenty of polls midterm, often by a large margin.
The end result though of most current polls, including this one, is the same, a hung parliament and Labour would need SNP confidence and supply for a majority and to get legislation through. Even if the Tories are ahead on seats, or Labour is ahead on seats as with this poll
You are incredibly blind, because you are not stupid as far as I can tell, to be so complacent
This is a crisis engulfing the conservative party that is only going to get worse while the architect of this crisis still leads the party and country
He should acknowledge his error and resign before the red wall mps arrange for it
Looking at the previous thread, where on Earth are people getting the number of 6 kids dead with covid in six months? There were 7 dead in England and Wales last week alone. This may be okay, but we should use the accurate numbers rather than someone saying they vaguely remembered a figure from somewhere or other and having everyone use it as the solid data from which to make the call.
There seems to be 98 under 20 deaths in England in total:
Given that only about 10% of total covid deaths have happened in the last six months then the number kids dying from it in that period might well be in single figures.
Of those seven in the most recent week, one was a baby (under 1 year old), one was pre-school age (1-4 years old), two were in the 10-14 age category, and three were teens in the 15-19 group.
That’s in the most recent ONS week (commencing 22nd October).
The Telegraph deliberately published misleading bollocks. For the six months up to February. I mean, I was pissed off when the NHS England CEO used an August to August comparison to mislead on the hospitalisation figures, but at least that was since Delta started.
The vast majority of covid cases in children in England have happened since the date they chose. And then they excluded anyone with the slightest medical condition. I mean, my dyslexic daughter would be out on those grounds (dyslexia is a pre-existing condition). As mentioned, David Beckham at his height wouldn’t make the grade as “healthy.” Neither would Paula Radcliffe.
Not to mention all those thousands of kids hospitalised. Half of whom even did make the “absolutely no hint of anything” category.
(Edit: and given the graph shows 71 deaths under 20 in England and Wales - all since February - it should be fairly clear that most of those 98 have happened since the Telegraph’s selected dates)
NHS England gives a total of 75 deaths in the 0-19 group of which 34 have been in the last six months:
To which can be added some for non-hospital deaths and a few more for Wales and some subtracted for those aged 19 (or even more if 17s and 18s aren't included).
So the Telegraph is certainly wrong and using out of date data.
On the other hand your '7 in the last week' also gives the wrong impression - there were 5 NHS deaths in w/e 29/10/21 but only a single one in the week before that and also in the week after that.
Which is why I included the entire graph!
That the most recent week had the largest spike was useful to show how one week could be taken. If I wanted to mislead, why would I have included the entire graph that showed the drop the week before?
The Telegraph were: - Ignoring most of the deaths to start with by choosing a date prior to most of them occurring - Filtering out a whole bunch and claiming they were "not healthy children" - Ignoring the effects of the hospitalisation of thousands of children.
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
Isn’t that relevant or important. I think it’s a four years wasted because of political dogma.
And it’s also politics before a lack of humanity.
Yes it featured in the 1800 news on Radio 4 that 2/3 were accepted as asylum seekers either on first application or appeal.
It was also commented that overall numbers are down, it is just that the percentage arriving by dingy has shot up. Presumably the numbers arriving by lorry or air are markedly down.
Don’t know. Can’t agree with you. If it’s powerful people smugglers you don’t know how much they get away with to call it up or down. That’s the whole point. Of smuggling. If you were rubbish at catching them you would say it’s gone down because you havn’t captured any?
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Though that does of course mean Starmer would then have to call indyref2, so it would then become Labour's problem
If those figures were replicated at a GE, Labour + Lib Dems would be close enough, even on the new boundaries, to exclude the SNP and dare them to vote with the Tories.
Labour and LDs plus even Lucas and the Alliance would still be short of a majority though, they would need SNP, Plaid and SDLP support to get anything through parliament
The difference being I am not sure Starmer is crap. Well, he is probably going to be crap by my measure as I am not a leftie. But that does not mean he is not competent and would quite possibly make a good PM. So whilst I couldn't vote for him because of his general philosophy and politics, I would not fear his victory in the way I think I would probably fear Johnson continuing as PM. I think there will be a large number of people on both sides of the Brexit debate who feel the same way.
I’m not saying he is crap. The comparison I’m making is between the reaction to mid term polls in the 2015 electoral cycle and the reaction to this weeks polls.
I think there is a fundamental difference. Cameron was not viewed as a figure of scorn and idiocy. He had lots of opponents and lots of people who tried to make him out to be a toff and an idiot but his general demeanor and particularly his ability to treat situations with the right amount of seriousness - just like any competent politician - made it somewhat harder for those attacks to stick. All of Johnson's weaknesses are of his own making and every time he does or says anything he simply reinforces the idea that he is an utter clown.
That’s not really anything to do with the point I was making, which was people were convinced Cameron was not going to win a majority, whether they viewed him as serious or not, because mid term polls said he wouldn’t.
These polls do not surprise me. The iron entered my soul a couple of days ago (as I said on here) when I read the stuff about the mortgages and expenses STILL HAPPENING
Fuck that shit. I have no problem with MPS being wealthy, no real problem with them having 2nd jobs, but simply screwing over the taxpayer to make millions from the property market? As my kids and members of my family deal with a distorted property market, and all the social ills that brings?
Puke
I am sure Labour are almost as bad, or just as bad, the SNP is possibly worse, but the fact is the Tories are in power and they have been in power 11 years, they've had time to sort it yet they don't, they try to cover it up. Enuff. The image is awful
I begin to think Boris is permanently damaged. Hmm. Tho I don't want to overreact
He needs either a huge diversion to change the narrative entirely, or he/they need to do something AMAZING that earns major plaudits (and also shifts the story)
Proof here that once the opposition start getting poll leads, there’s no way back for the govt
It also all illustrates the power of the press, again. The Mail has targeted the Tories, with multiple stories, daily, for a fortnight now. This is very similar to the treatment it gave Corbyn before the 2019 election, and no Tory paper has turned as significantly since the late '90s.
It's also obviously responding to a sea change among some readers, similar to the late '90s and the sleaze shift among them which it senses too, but it's also very significant independently of that, and in itself.
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
Any country that goes back into lockdown twelve months after vaccines became available has catastrophically failed.
If that happens, he should be gone before Easter. If it doesn't, and it does elsewhere, then it will put British squabbles into some context.
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
Isn’t that relevant or important. I think it’s a four years wasted because of political dogma.
And it’s also politics before a lack of humanity.
Yes it featured in the 1800 news on Radio 4 that 2/3 were accepted as asylum seekers either on first application or appeal.
It was also commented that overall numbers are down, it is just that the percentage arriving by dingy has shot up. Presumably the numbers arriving by lorry or air are markedly down.
Don’t know. Can’t agree with you. If it’s powerful people smugglers you don’t know how much they get away with to call it up or down. That’s the whole point. Of smuggling. If you were rubbish at catching them you would say it’s gone down because you havn’t captured any?
Yes but the number of asylum seekers is known by the Home Office when they file applications.
One simple step would be the banning of dinghies without proof of need, and a two week cooling off period before picking it up, during which the Border Force could investigate. Applied to Libya too.
The difference being I am not sure Starmer is crap. Well, he is probably going to be crap by my measure as I am not a leftie. But that does not mean he is not competent and would quite possibly make a good PM. So whilst I couldn't vote for him because of his general philosophy and politics, I would not fear his victory in the way I think I would probably fear Johnson continuing as PM. I think there will be a large number of people on both sides of the Brexit debate who feel the same way.
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
Its vaccinations in the 40+ which really matter outside of those younger with vulnerabilities.
Which is why the boosters and far more important than the teenage vaccinations.
And given that the UK is only giving one dose to the under 16s that group aren't going to add to the UK's double vaccinated numbers.
Latest @YouGov@thetimes poll. In hindsight #Brexit right 37 (-2); wrong 50 (+2). Fwork 10-11.11. (Ch since 3-4.11). Highest lead for 'wrong' over 'right' since November last year (before conclusion of trade deal) . https://bit.ly/3ncQ7Rz
People felt it now they are allowed to go abroad. Next year will be more so with (touch wood) all the covid travel stuff gone
Or the numbers will go the other way again as the UK gets through winter without lockdown and regrettably Europe does not.
The rest of Europe really have been let down by their leadership. To be in lockdown twelve months after vaccines became available is a disgraceful failure.
Your flags make no sense mister Thompson. St George’s flag flown to show you good people ship, not pirate ship. You can’t be good people and pirate people at the same time.
Sorry for bein presumptuous, you do identify as he? This site don’t do markings
Is Thompson a bot? Is that why they/it choose to be called Thompson? I already sense nobody takes them/he seriously
I wasn't going to say anything, but you yourself come across as a badly written piece of software from someone whose first language is not English, running on an Intel 286 machine in the suburbs of Moscow.
I just saw this. That’s not very nice. I just said a good flag and bad flag is weird. So I thought it was a joke.
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Though that does of course mean Starmer would then have to call indyref2, so it would then become Labour's problem
If those figures were replicated at a GE, Labour + Lib Dems would be close enough, even on the new boundaries, to exclude the SNP and dare them to vote with the Tories.
Labour and LDs plus even Lucas and the Alliance would still be short of a majority though, they would need SNP, Plaid and SDLP support to get anything through parliament
I think there would be far more tactical voting between Lib Dems and Labour compared with 2017 and 2019 GE too.
I bet a bloke down the pub 9.3k he'd lead by mid Nov!
You were saying a few weeks ago that Boris's opponents were always generally predicting a day of judgment/comeuppance for him, but it never actually arrived.
So here it is.
What, a bad few days of opinion polling?
Perhaps, but he has exhibited the character flaws we always said he had, both to the public and to the parliamentary party. What's impressive is that he has separately enraged both the straight MPs and the crooks. This is a bit different from the wobble in Blair's premiership caused by the fuel blockade which was both temporary, and nothing to do with Blair
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
Exactly.
Especially as everyone knows the politicians will ignore anything they find inconvenient.
Starmer should offer to lead us back into a reformed Single Market (with reformed Free Movement) he kills off YES and thrashes the Tories, gaining the Remainers
Latest @YouGov@thetimes poll. In hindsight #Brexit right 37 (-2); wrong 50 (+2). Fwork 10-11.11. (Ch since 3-4.11). Highest lead for 'wrong' over 'right' since November last year (before conclusion of trade deal) . https://bit.ly/3ncQ7Rz
People felt it now they are allowed to go abroad. Next year will be more so with (touch wood) all the covid travel stuff gone
Or the numbers will go the other way again as the UK gets through winter without lockdown and regrettably Europe does not.
The rest of Europe really have been let down by their leadership. To be in lockdown twelve months after vaccines became available is a disgraceful failure.
Your flags make no sense mister Thompson. St George’s flag flown to show you good people ship, not pirate ship. You can’t be good people and pirate people at the same time.
Sorry for bein presumptuous, you do identify as he? This site don’t do markings
Is Thompson a bot? Is that why they/it choose to be called Thompson? I already sense nobody takes them/he seriously
I wasn't going to say anything, but you yourself come across as a badly written piece of software from someone whose first language is not English, running on an Intel 286 machine in the suburbs of Moscow.
I just saw this. That’s not very nice. I just said a good flag and bad flag is weird. So I thought it was a joke.
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
Starmer should offer to lead us back into a reformed Single Market (with reformed Free Movement) he kills off YES and thrashes the Tories, gaining the Remainers
I'd probably vote for it
That is LD policy already. Your sandals are in the post.
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
With Bozo we won’t find out until 20 December, anyway
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
Exactly.
Especially as everyone knows the politicians will ignore anything they find inconvenient.
Very true. One thing you can virtually guarantee is that, if Boris Johnson ordered another Christmas lockdown, he would do whatever the fuck he wanted regardless. So why shouldn't the rest of us?
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Like Ed Miliband?
It will be interesting to see if these midterm polls continue like they did under Ed, and how realistic they are?
This is a completely different scenario. The coalition was going to continue with those leaders for 5 years as agreed. This is no coalition - Boris is not protected by any agreements.
Its not the electorate he needs to fear. Its the Conservative party whose track record in removing faulty leaders with speed is second to none.
One of the ironies is that, to an extent, what's killing the Conservative ratings isn't particularly BoJo's fault.
He completely botched the initial response to the Paterson scandal, but all the other stuff has been festering in plain sight for a decade. Bozza is unlucky that the music stopped when he was holding the parcel, but Cameron was going on about lobbying before he was PM. And didn't do enough about it while he was.
Which puts Conservative MPs in a challenging position. Some will want to clean up politics. It's the right thing to do and their political survival depends on it. But quite a lot clearly don't, because they like the money. Boris can't convincingly be Mr Clean. Rishi may well be an honourable Head Boy, but as a squollionaire, he can't stop his backbench colleagues making a semi-honest crust.
Besides, the successful Conservative regenerations worked because the problem was the leader. Thatcher went Tonto, replace her with calm Major. Cameron was a remainy loser, replacer him with Mrs Brexit Means Brexit. May was ground down, replace her with the embodiment of ebullience.
Remember those trees in that garden in Newark which were about to be chopped down? And the whole urban garden tarmacked for a pointless tiny carpark?
It looks like the nice guys WON. The trees are probably saved. The garden will be preserved. I feel, weirdly, slightly tearful
Well done those people
"Well the fence is still there but the Newark Library trees are very nearly saved. Last minute offer by the landowner which @NSDCouncil will vote on next week. What an incredible 48hrs! "
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Though that does of course mean Starmer would then have to call indyref2, so it would then become Labour's problem
If those figures were replicated at a GE, Labour + Lib Dems would be close enough, even on the new boundaries, to exclude the SNP and dare them to vote with the Tories.
Labour and LDs plus even Lucas and the Alliance would still be short of a majority though, they would need SNP, Plaid and SDLP support to get anything through parliament
I think there would be far more tactical voting between Lib Dems and Labour compared with 2017 and 2019 GE too.
I can see that. There comes a point when this Conservatorship government becomes so Toxic people will be more motivated to vote against them than for whoever.
Not just that, but also LD and Lab manifestos and leaderships will be much closer aligned than under Corbyn and Swinson.
I note that Yougov poll 5% higher for Green and 5% lower for Lab to Samanta/Comes. Is there something to do with methodology of party promptings?
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
If Johnson locks down this Xmas, the 1922 will do for him. He is done. Finished.
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
Hmm, Mike might be right about no early election, eh? And not just because of the boundary changes.
Starmer made one good call recently - when he attacked the Government as "corrupt". A lot of people thought he was uncharacteristically going OTT there, but it seems to have cut through.
The YouGov vs everyone else on the Green vote remains a puzzle. Perhaps they need to refresh their panel?
I bet a bloke down the pub 9.3k he'd lead by mid Nov!
You were saying a few weeks ago that Boris's opponents were always generally predicting a day of judgment/comeuppance for him, but it never actually arrived.
So here it is.
What, a bad few days of opinion polling?
Perhaps, but he has exhibited the character flaws we always said he had, both to the public and to the parliamentary party. What's impressive is that he has separately enraged both the straight MPs and the crooks. This is a bit different from the wobble in Blair's premiership caused by the fuel blockade which was both temporary, and nothing to do with Blair
It could be all over for him or it could be a stone in the road. Almost every parliament has a backlash against the government at some point, and usually we look back at them and say how silly people were to think it was a turning point. But maybe this is one. I could easily get swept away in it and think it is. It seems like it could be. But they always do
What with the moe changes in indy polls, Sturgeon having a disastrous COP26 & about to step down and the Conservative & Unionist party going from strength to strength, the Union has never been more secure.
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
Sunak wont agree to the spending required. We've printed all the money we can to save the NHS.
Sunak walking would cause the letters to Brady to mean a contest.
Proof here that once the opposition start getting poll leads, there’s no way back for the govt
There is a way back and that requires Boris's Premiership to end
I just do not see anyway back for him after this idiotic week
It requires rather more self-discipline and hard work from him.
I know, I know.
And a proper crackdown on troughing MPs.
He's evidently incapable of the former, and the latter would leave a great many of his MPs unable to continue to live in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Neither is going to happen.
Starmer should offer to lead us back into a reformed Single Market (with reformed Free Movement) he kills off YES and thrashes the Tories, gaining the Remainers
I'd probably vote for it
That is LD policy already. Your sandals are in the post.
How are you going to persuade the European Commission to reform the single market?
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
The piece does not even include the word "work", never mind the rest of it.
I think you mean I said work now? What happens then after the four years wait? They stay and they work just like they hoped when they got in the dingy, I think. Or pay for it. Is the news wrong that after long wait seven out of ten do stay and work?
Sometimes it is said international criminal gangs are making it happen. But no one really says that enough in your opinion? The gangs have money and threat. Lots of people desperate to come here are coming in dingie boats on a sort of scale that’s a successful business. 4 years for processing and then 7 out of ten stay. Meantime where do they live, and how do they eat and live? And do locals embrace them. And how much tax payer money is all this? And it’s bad if the gangs behind it are laughing at us and rolling in it.
I still think I am right. You saying every single one is so complicated it takes 4 years? There are no quick wins?
All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
Exactly.
Especially as everyone knows the politicians will ignore anything they find inconvenient.
There were doctors reporting just yesterday of hospital visitors refusing to wear masks because “he doesn’t, why should I?”
Remember those trees in that garden in Newark which were about to be chopped down? And the whole urban garden tarmacked for a pointless tiny carpark?
It looks like the nice guys WON. The trees are probably saved. The garden will be preserved. I feel, weirdly, slightly tearful
Well done those people
"Well the fence is still there but the Newark Library trees are very nearly saved. Last minute offer by the landowner which @NSDCouncil will vote on next week. What an incredible 48hrs! "
WASHINGTON — Stephen K. Bannon, a onetime aide to former President Donald J. Trump, was indicted by a federal grand jury on Friday on two counts of contempt of Congress, the Justice Department said.
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All shops, bars, restaurants in Holland closing at 8pm
Non essential shops closing at 6pm
No more crowds in sports arenas
Work from home
Social distancing again
The Dutch government will "revisit" this on December 6th. No guarantee that those measures won't be extended
That's a proper lockdown. And it might go on for many weeks....
Jeez
I was walking around London today, and apart from masks on the Tube everything seems pretty normal, as in pre-Covid 19.
It's the same in the North. Except for the lack of integrated public transport.
I note that the double vaxxed rate in the Netherlands is 72% and 74% in Belgium compared to 68% in UK*. In both there must be a lot of antibodies from infection too.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
If there's a lockdown he's had it, but I don't think there will be - partly for that reason. Trying to lock everyone up again would shred what is left of the Government's credibility - as well as being largely ineffectual.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
Sunak wont agree to the spending required. We've printed all the money we can to save the NHS.
Sunak walking would cause the letters to Brady to mean a contest.
I expect Truss to win.
If it is Truss you may as well stick with Boris.
Truss is already on an abysmal -24% rating with the public on whether she would make a good PM with Mori, even worse than Boris on -21% and worse too than Starmer on -16%.
You have a visceral dislike of Boris but on this he is correct
France has a duty of care to these migrants as much as we have, and certainly the two countries should be conducting joint patrols to prevent loss of life at sea
No. Boris just doing words as usual, no action. Truth is he knows he signs seven out of ten up to work here, he just wastes time before doing that. He should send Patel down on beaches to tell them where to start work on Monday, it will save our tax payers money
What is your evidence for your claim 70% are signed up to work here
The BBC said it. Are they a bot too or are you too busy to watch the news?
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
The piece does not even include the word "work", never mind the rest of it.
I think you mean I said work now? What happens then after the four years wait? They stay and they work just like they hoped when they got in the dingy, I think. Or pay for it. Is the news wrong that after long wait seven out of ten do stay and work?
Sometimes it is said international criminal gangs are making it happen. But no one really says that enough in your opinion? The gangs have money and threat. Lots of people desperate to come here are coming in dingie boats on a sort of scale that’s a successful business. 4 years for processing and then 7 out of ten stay. Meantime where do they live, and how do they eat and live? And do locals embrace them. And how much tax payer money is all this? And it’s bad if the gangs behind it are laughing at us and rolling in it.
I still think I am right. You saying every single one is so complicated it takes 4 years? There are no quick wins?
Tell me where I have this all wrong?
I only have one issue with you and that was accusing a long established poster @Philip_Thompson of being a bot
That was out of order and maybe an apology would be nice
Starmer should offer to lead us back into a reformed Single Market (with reformed Free Movement) he kills off YES and thrashes the Tories, gaining the Remainers
I'd probably vote for it
That is LD policy already. Your sandals are in the post.
How are you going to persuade the European Commission to reform the single market?
We don't need to - we just need to implement the existing rules. Free movement is not to allow people to move to the UK to scrounge or beg. You have to have a job, and if you can't prove that within 3 months you can be removed.
As the Belgians have done. Its that simple - "New rules to ban people coming here to claim benefits"
Lab 40 (+5) Con 34 (-4) Lib Dem 10 (=) SNP 5 (=) Green 5 (+1)
Changes with 5-7 Nov
On HY’s night off, too. Perhaps just as well.
Starmer will be PM with SNP support or similar
Though that does of course mean Starmer would then have to call indyref2, so it would then become Labour's problem
If those figures were replicated at a GE, Labour + Lib Dems would be close enough, even on the new boundaries, to exclude the SNP and dare them to vote with the Tories.
Labour and LDs plus even Lucas and the Alliance would still be short of a majority though, they would need SNP, Plaid and SDLP support to get anything through parliament
I think there would be far more tactical voting between Lib Dems and Labour compared with 2017 and 2019 GE too.
I can see that. There comes a point when this Conservatorship government becomes so Toxic people will be more motivated to vote against them than for whoever.
Not just that, but also LD and Lab manifestos and leaderships will be much closer aligned than under Corbyn and Swinson.
I note that Yougov poll 5% higher for Green and 5% lower for Lab to Samanta/Comes. Is there something to do with methodology of party promptings?
Yougov having Greens higher and Labour lower has been a steady pattern for a while. This time last month YG still had Labour on 31%.
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I think we're about to see how far a Con pm can go without the ability to inspire personal affection from his mps.
Indeed this is a huge self inflicted crisis that calls for Boris to fall on his sword
If Labour get a 10 point+ lead they hold consistently for 6 months then maybe, not now
Proper mid term stuff.
It will be interesting to see if these midterm polls continue like they did under Ed, and how realistic they are?
This is a crisis engulfing the conservative party that is only going to get worse while the architect of this crisis still leads the party and country
He should acknowledge his error and resign before the red wall mps arrange for it
Its not the electorate he needs to fear. Its the Conservative party whose track record in removing faulty leaders with speed is second to none.
The figures suggest only about a third of those arriving are not deemed to be refugees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59257107
Isn’t that relevant or important. I think it’s a four years wasted because of political dogma.
And it’s also politics before a lack of humanity.
No rebuttal? No dodgy poll? Reduced to a “when Starmer gets in….” hypothetical!
They think it’s all over…it is now!
https://web.archive.org/web/20130809045139/http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/Open_Europe_EU_and_Westminster_VI_Poll_May_2013.pdf
Brexit is done (sort of) and Boris is tone death and shit. Not really a surprise.
I’d be really angry if I were a Tory MP at the last few weeks debacle
Since Paterson error the polls have only been going one way and there is no sign this is going to pass anytime soon
The sleaze is unacceptable, and for any decent conservative now they need to ensure they condemn it 100% and seek to install a leader of integrity to take the action to clear out the spives from the HOC
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
To which can be added some for non-hospital deaths and a few more for Wales and some subtracted for those aged 19 (or even more if 17s and 18s aren't included).
So the Telegraph is certainly wrong and using out of date data.
On the other hand your '7 in the last week' also gives the wrong impression - there were 5 NHS deaths in w/e 29/10/21 but only a single one in the week before that and also in the week after that.
HYUFDougal: "Oh right yeah"
It was also commented that overall numbers are down, it is just that the percentage arriving by dingy has shot up. Presumably the numbers arriving by lorry or air are markedly down.
That mf is a tone killer.
https://twitter.com/TheNorthernEcho/status/1459246035147051009?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
I have noted you have included the BBC report
However, you accuse @Philip_Thompson of being a bot which if you had followed his posts over the years he most certainly is not
Maybe you do not agree with him, but I would suggest as a new poster a little bit of self awareness would be good
A) Couldn't give a toss about Britney Spears
and
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/archive/prescott-delivers-blueprint-for-integrated-transport-strategy
That the most recent week had the largest spike was useful to show how one week could be taken.
If I wanted to mislead, why would I have included the entire graph that showed the drop the week before?
The Telegraph were:
- Ignoring most of the deaths to start with by choosing a date prior to most of them occurring
- Filtering out a whole bunch and claiming they were "not healthy children"
- Ignoring the effects of the hospitalisation of thousands of children.
If it really does get out of hand here too, and another Christmas lockdown, then Johnson may be picking up his P45 by Easter.
*Worldometer figures for all.
Fuck that shit. I have no problem with MPS being wealthy, no real problem with them having 2nd jobs, but simply screwing over the taxpayer to make millions from the property market? As my kids and members of my family deal with a distorted property market, and all the social ills that brings?
Puke
I am sure Labour are almost as bad, or just as bad, the SNP is possibly worse, but the fact is the Tories are in power and they have been in power 11 years, they've had time to sort it yet they don't, they try to cover it up. Enuff. The image is awful
I begin to think Boris is permanently damaged. Hmm. Tho I don't want to overreact
He needs either a huge diversion to change the narrative entirely, or he/they need to do something AMAZING that earns major plaudits (and also shifts the story)
It's also obviously responding to a sea change among some readers, similar to the late '90s and the sleaze shift among them which it senses too, but it's also very significant independently of that, and in itself.
I just do not see anyway back for him after this idiotic week
If that happens, he should be gone before Easter. If it doesn't, and it does elsewhere, then it will put British squabbles into some context.
One simple step would be the banning of dinghies without proof of need, and a two week cooling off period before picking it up, during which the Border Force could investigate. Applied to Libya too.
Scottish Independence Voting Intention:
NO: 50% (+1)
YES: 44% (-1)
Undecides: 6% (=)
Undecides Excluded:
NO: 53% (+1)
YES: 47% (-1)
Via @PanelbaseMD, On 20-26 October,
Changes w/ 6-10 September.
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1459265138851254284?s=21
Which is why the boosters and far more important than the teenage vaccinations.
And given that the UK is only giving one dose to the under 16s that group aren't going to add to the UK's double vaccinated numbers.
They can, in extremis, force businesses to shut down again, but there's little they can do if private individuals won't cooperate, and there are an awful lot of us out there who aren't going to put up with a load of bullshit rules about which of our friends and family members we can and cannot see again.
The piece does not even include the word "work", never mind the rest of it.
They’ve been in too long. Time to go.
Especially as everyone knows the politicians will ignore anything they find inconvenient.
Tories on the way out, YES ditto
Strange times we live in
Starmer should offer to lead us back into a reformed Single Market (with reformed Free Movement) he kills off YES and thrashes the Tories, gaining the Remainers
I'd probably vote for it
Telegraph. Environment Editor. They've turned Woke!
He completely botched the initial response to the Paterson scandal, but all the other stuff has been festering in plain sight for a decade. Bozza is unlucky that the music stopped when he was holding the parcel, but Cameron was going on about lobbying before he was PM. And didn't do enough about it while he was.
Which puts Conservative MPs in a challenging position. Some will want to clean up politics. It's the right thing to do and their political survival depends on it. But quite a lot clearly don't, because they like the money. Boris can't convincingly be Mr Clean. Rishi may well be an honourable Head Boy, but as a squollionaire, he can't stop his backbench colleagues making a semi-honest crust.
Besides, the successful Conservative regenerations worked because the problem was the leader. Thatcher went Tonto, replace her with calm Major. Cameron was a remainy loser, replacer him with Mrs Brexit Means Brexit. May was ground down, replace her with the embodiment of ebullience.
Right now, the problem isn't just the leader.
Direct action overrules the democratic process.
Extinction Rebellion will be encouraged.
The lesson is that if it is necessary for trees to be removed - and Sycamores are just big weeds - then it has to be done first.
I note that Yougov poll 5% higher for Green and 5% lower for Lab to Samanta/Comes. Is there something to do with methodology of party promptings?
I know, I know.
And a proper crackdown on troughing MPs.
Starmer made one good call recently - when he attacked the Government as "corrupt". A lot of people thought he was uncharacteristically going OTT there, but it seems to have cut through.
The YouGov vs everyone else on the Green vote remains a puzzle. Perhaps they need to refresh their panel?
Even Tory voters think there is a lot of corruption. Johnson hasn't hit the bottom yet.
Sunak walking would cause the letters to Brady to mean a contest.
I expect Truss to win.
Sometimes it is said international criminal gangs are making it happen. But no one really says that enough in your opinion? The gangs have money and threat. Lots of people desperate to come here are coming in dingie boats on a sort of scale that’s a successful business. 4 years for processing and then 7 out of ten stay. Meantime where do they live, and how do they eat and live? And do locals embrace them. And how much tax payer money is all this? And it’s bad if the gangs behind it are laughing at us and rolling in it.
I still think I am right. You saying every single one is so complicated it takes 4 years? There are no quick wins?
Tell me where I have this all wrong?
Former Trump strategist Steve Bannon has been charged with contempt of Congress after refusing to testify about the US Capitol riot on 6 January.
BBC News website
Need to get rid of the lot of them.
Mr. Bannon, 67, had refused last month to comply with subpoenas for information issued by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. The House then voted to hold Mr. Bannon in criminal contempt of Congress after he declined to testify or provide documents sought by the committee, a position taken by a number of former aides to Mr. Trump.
NY Times blog
Truss is already on an abysmal -24% rating with the public on whether she would make a good PM with Mori, even worse than Boris on -21% and worse too than Starmer on -16%.
Sunak however does better than all of them on -9%
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-loses-poll-lead-ipsos-mori-sleaze-scandal-b964945.html
That was out of order and maybe an apology would be nice
As the Belgians have done. Its that simple - "New rules to ban people coming here to claim benefits"