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One man died so he could be reborn, to deliver a budget to save all our sins.TheScreamingEagles said:Next time someone asks me to explain the difference between the Tories ruthlessness and Labour when it comes to leader/potential leaders, this past week is the perfect example.
An unpopular chancellor on course to be party leader/PM that we all know that will go down badly with the voters,
Labour elected him as leader via a coronation
The Tories knobbled him before he could even stand.0 -
Cameron and Osborne seemed to want to, but will they be allowed to, or will they even be around to do so?JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:
LD overtake UKIP break point imminent?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dem surge
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
Would certainty be a morale booster for the yellow peril.
Looks like an unwinding of the LD to Tory switchers who helped win the election for the Tories at GE.
Tories need to be careful and stay in the centre ground.0 -
Not quite right. Gordon Brown was a campaign asset in the 2005 GE. He was also a campaign asset in ScotRef.TheScreamingEagles said:Next time someone asks me to explain the difference between the Tories ruthlessness and Labour when it comes to leader/potential leaders, this past week is the perfect example.
An unpopular chancellor on course to be party leader/PM that we all know that will go down badly with the voters,
Labour elected him as leader via a coronation
The Tories knobbled him before he could even stand.
Arguably, especially considering what followed, he was an asset in 2010.
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quick catch Lucy from REMAIN on DP. Pop corn or triumph?0
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The best bitPlato_Says said:Robert Shrimley
This is literally the best story ever: Microsoft's AI twitter bot turned racist after 15 hours on twitter https://t.co/5RKIchXmUWThe tech company introduced "Tay" this week — a bot that responds to users' queries and emulates the casual, jokey speech patterns of a stereotypical millennial.
The aim was to "experiment with and conduct research on conversational understanding," with Tay able to learn from "her" conversations and get progressively "smarter."
But Tay proved a smash hit with racists, trolls, and online troublemakers — who persuaded Tay to blithely use racial slurs, defend white supremacist propaganda, and even outright call for genocide.In one highly publicised tweet, which has since been deleted, Tay said: "bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got." In another, responding to a question, she said "ricky gervais learned totalitarianism from adolf hitler, the inventor of atheism."
From an engineering point of view, if the goal was to pass a Twitter Turing-test and pass for human, it sounds like it succeeded admirably.
I think its cool "i do indeed" in response to "Do you support genocide?" is the highlight.0 -
That was a fab episode.
Its like the episode out of the Good Wife all over again (which was based upon a real incident at Google, where their image matching algorithms displayed African American's as a result to the search Monkey)FrancisUrquhart said:
The best bitPlato_Says said:Robert Shrimley
This is literally the best story ever: Microsoft's AI twitter bot turned racist after 15 hours on twitter https://t.co/5RKIchXmUWThe tech company introduced "Tay" this week — a bot that responds to users' queries and emulates the casual, jokey speech patterns of a stereotypical millennial.
The aim was to "experiment with and conduct research on conversational understanding," with Tay able to learn from "her" conversations and get progressively "smarter."
But Tay proved a smash hit with racists, trolls, and online troublemakers — who persuaded Tay to blithely use racial slurs, defend white supremacist propaganda, and even outright call for genocide.In one highly publicised tweet, which has since been deleted, Tay said: "bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got." In another, responding to a question, she said "ricky gervais learned totalitarianism from adolf hitler, the inventor of atheism."
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The danger for the government is that the NHS dispute retoxifies the party, especially among the quacks and especially if Hunt wins.TheScreamingEagles said:
It will also feed into the narrative that the Tories are the best/unafraid of making touch decisionsPulpstar said:The strikes including emergency cover will get the public into a "they're both as bad as each other" mood, which is good enough for the Gov't. Hunt's not backing down on this, as much as quite alot of people would like him to.
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Mr. Jonathan, that does raise an interesting campaigner: was Brown better at campaigning than governing?
[Or less bad, as you like].0 -
There is no published EU ref VI in the Monitor data tables but the figures are given in a different poll published yesterday on whether people want to hear the Queens views on Brexit
Before weighting Leave 337 voters Remain 560 voters
After weighting Leave 357 voters Remain 528 voters
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From an engineering point of view, if the goal was to pass a Twitter Turing-test and pass for human, it sounds like it succeeded admirably.Wanderer said:
The best bitPlato_Says said:Robert Shrimley
This is literally the best story ever: Microsoft's AI twitter bot turned racist after 15 hours on twitter https://t.co/5RKIchXmUWThe tech company introduced "Tay" this week — a bot that responds to users' queries and emulates the casual, jokey speech patterns of a stereotypical millennial.
The aim was to "experiment with and conduct research on conversational understanding," with Tay able to learn from "her" conversations and get progressively "smarter."
But Tay proved a smash hit with racists, trolls, and online troublemakers — who persuaded Tay to blithely use racial slurs, defend white supremacist propaganda, and even outright call for genocide.In one highly publicised tweet, which has since been deleted, Tay said: "bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got." In another, responding to a question, she said "ricky gervais learned totalitarianism from adolf hitler, the inventor of atheism."
I think its cool "i do indeed" in response to "Do you support genocide?" is the highlight.
The Twitter Turning-Test is that where the bar is set incredibly low, where you only need to be convinced the person at the other end is a total and utter moron and who can only speak in 140 character bursts?0 -
Indeed.DecrepitJohnL said:
The danger for the government is that the NHS dispute retoxifies the party, especially among the quacks.TheScreamingEagles said:
It will also feed into the narrative that the Tories are the best/unafraid of making touch decisionsPulpstar said:The strikes including emergency cover will get the public into a "they're both as bad as each other" mood, which is good enough for the Gov't. Hunt's not backing down on this, as much as quite alot of people would like him to.
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'That is, in effect, the state losing sovereignty over its territory and the people in it.'
Yes, that is of course exactly why Islamists are pushing for it. They want to create states within states, and then...0 -
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service.0 -
Being associated with cuts for the disabled is not sticking to the central ground. That was the choice of Osborne no one pushed him there. He created his rules, his targets and his choice of what to cut or tax. He drove the party off the main road.kle4 said:
Cameron and Osborne seemed to want to, but will they be allowed to, or will they even be around to do so?JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:
LD overtake UKIP break point imminent?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dem surge
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
Would certainty be a morale booster for the yellow peril.
Looks like an unwinding of the LD to Tory switchers who helped win the election for the Tories at GE.
Tories need to be careful and stay in the centre ground.
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This twitter bot thing...you have to feel sorry, some poor sods who probably resemble the cast of the Big Bang Theory are in a few hours going to be standing in front of a swearing big boss man ripping them a new one.0
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From an engineering point of view, if the goal was to pass a Twitter Turing-test and pass for human, it sounds like it succeeded admirably.FrancisUrquhart said:Wanderer said:
The best bitPlato_Says said:Robert Shrimley
This is literally the best story ever: Microsoft's AI twitter bot turned racist after 15 hours on twitter https://t.co/5RKIchXmUWThe tech company introduced "Tay" this week — a bot that responds to users' queries and emulates the casual, jokey speech patterns of a stereotypical millennial.
The aim was to "experiment with and conduct research on conversational understanding," with Tay able to learn from "her" conversations and get progressively "smarter."
But Tay proved a smash hit with racists, trolls, and online troublemakers — who persuaded Tay to blithely use racial slurs, defend white supremacist propaganda, and even outright call for genocide.In one highly publicised tweet, which has since been deleted, Tay said: "bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got." In another, responding to a question, she said "ricky gervais learned totalitarianism from adolf hitler, the inventor of atheism."
I think its cool "i do indeed" in response to "Do you support genocide?" is the highlight.
The Twitter Turning-Test is that where the bar is set incredibly low, where you only need to be convinced the person at the other end is a total any utter moron and who can only speak in 140 character bursts?
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Not really, the Tories are only down one on the election result.JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:
LD overtake UKIP break point imminent?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dem surge
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
Would certainty be a morale booster for the yellow peril.
Looks like an unwinding of the LD to Tory switchers who helped win the election for the Tories at GE.
Tories need to be careful and stay in the centre ground.0 -
From an engineering point of view, if the goal was to pass a Twitter Turing-test and pass for human, it sounds like it succeeded admirably.Wanderer said:
The best bitPlato_Says said:Robert Shrimley
This is literally the best story ever: Microsoft's AI twitter bot turned racist after 15 hours on twitter https://t.co/5RKIchXmUWThe tech company introduced "Tay" this week — a bot that responds to users' queries and emulates the casual, jokey speech patterns of a stereotypical millennial.
The aim was to "experiment with and conduct research on conversational understanding," with Tay able to learn from "her" conversations and get progressively "smarter."
But Tay proved a smash hit with racists, trolls, and online troublemakers — who persuaded Tay to blithely use racial slurs, defend white supremacist propaganda, and even outright call for genocide.In one highly publicised tweet, which has since been deleted, Tay said: "bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got." In another, responding to a question, she said "ricky gervais learned totalitarianism from adolf hitler, the inventor of atheism."
I think its cool "i do indeed" in response to "Do you support genocide?" is the highlight.
I think it's quite sad that they've shut it down. "Wrong kind of sentience" I guess.0 -
That might be fair. Certainly applies to Cameron. He's good at getting power, but has no idea what to do with it.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Jonathan, that does raise an interesting campaigner: was Brown better at campaigning than governing?
[Or less bad, as you like].0 -
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.0 -
And BBT is now on Netflix! I've the boxset, but Netflix is so much easier to watch.FrancisUrquhart said:
This twitter bot thing...you have to feel sorry, some poor sods who probably resemble the cast of the Big Bang Theory are in a few hours going to be standing in front of a swearing big boss man ripping them a new one.
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Me too.MaxPB said:
I would only vote for Boris if it was a choice between him and Osborne. Though I find it unlikely Osborne will make the final two, or even stand at this point.Casino_Royale said:
Has he though? I thought he was going to impose it but it was still yet to be imposed?Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
I'm not voting for Boris.0 -
It's almost identical to Ipsos MORI's eve of poll numbers.MaxPB said:
Not really, the Tories are only down one on the election result.JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:
LD overtake UKIP break point imminent?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dem surge
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
Would certainty be a morale booster for the yellow peril.
Looks like an unwinding of the LD to Tory switchers who helped win the election for the Tories at GE.
Tories need to be careful and stay in the centre ground.0 -
From an engineering point of view, if the goal was to pass a Twitter Turing-test and pass for human, it sounds like it succeeded admirably.Pulpstar said:Wanderer said:
The best bitPlato_Says said:Robert Shrimley
This is literally the best story ever: Microsoft's AI twitter bot turned racist after 15 hours on twitter https://t.co/5RKIchXmUWThe tech company introduced "Tay" this week — a bot that responds to users' queries and emulates the casual, jokey speech patterns of a stereotypical millennial.
The aim was to "experiment with and conduct research on conversational understanding," with Tay able to learn from "her" conversations and get progressively "smarter."
But Tay proved a smash hit with racists, trolls, and online troublemakers — who persuaded Tay to blithely use racial slurs, defend white supremacist propaganda, and even outright call for genocide.In one highly publicised tweet, which has since been deleted, Tay said: "bush did 9/11 and Hitler would have done a better job than the monkey we have now. donald trump is the only hope we've got." In another, responding to a question, she said "ricky gervais learned totalitarianism from adolf hitler, the inventor of atheism."
I think its cool "i do indeed" in response to "Do you support genocide?" is the highlight.
I think it's quite sad that they've shut it down. "Wrong kind of sentience" I guess.
I hear the Met Police are currently conducting an investigation and would like to speak with a certain Mr Tay from Seattle as part of this...0 -
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I was referring to their initial acts after the election, which were widely interpreted as attempting to continue occupation of the centre ground.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Being associated with cuts for the disabled is not sticking to the central ground. That was the choice of Osborne no one pushed him there. He created his rules, his targets and his choice of what to cut or tax. He drove the party off the main road.kle4 said:
Cameron and Osborne seemed to want to, but will they be allowed to, or will they even be around to do so?JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:
LD overtake UKIP break point imminent?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dem surge
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
Would certainty be a morale booster for the yellow peril.
Looks like an unwinding of the LD to Tory switchers who helped win the election for the Tories at GE.
Tories need to be careful and stay in the centre ground.
I would also say that a single choice which is not centrish does not undermine an overall centrish message. And in any case the perception of being in the centre is what is aimed for, not the reality. That perception may well have been hit, but does not mean they have intentionally tried to alter that perception and thus their pitch. More likely they though no one would cause too much fuss, as people complain about cuts being ideological and right win every year.0 -
On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.0 -
If you think the Health Service can continue without major changes to improve working practices, efficiency and outcomes, that is fine.MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS. I would like a quality service(s) free at the point of delivery. I don't happen to think the NHS is in any fit state to deliver that goal or provide value for money.0 -
After Lucy REMAIN we now have a real horror show on BBC DP about UKIP for all those kippers hiding behind their sofas.0
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Johan Cruyff has died aged 68 - Sky0
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Does that include the presenters? If not you can add another 2 for REMAIN then...TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.0 -
Lesson to learn kids...Smoking it is f##king bad for you and will more than likely kill you !!!TheScreamingEagles said:Johan Cruyff has died
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYtzf7YD8oY0 -
philiph said:MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS./blockquote>
Unfortunately , all too typical of the Conservative attitude to the NHS and the majority of the public know it which is why their support for the junior doctors has increased since the dispute started .0 -
'Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?'
Dissembling. Technically, Parliament could regain full sovereignty just by repealing the 1973 act. But while that act is in force, it has transferred its sovereignty overseas and is a subordinate body.0 -
Syrian government forces have entered the ancient town of Palmyra0
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MarkSenior said:
Nothing like taking something out of context, is there.philiph said:MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS.
** Inserted rest of paragraph to give the context back as the snip by Mark Senior was mendacious and misleading**
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS. I would like a quality service(s) free at the point of delivery. I don't happen to think the NHS is in any fit state to deliver that goal or provide value for money./blockquote>
Unfortunately , all too typical of the Conservative attitude to the NHS and the majority of the public know it which is why their support for the junior doctors has increased since the dispute started .0 -
Full of what? Careful....I am going to say full of sweetness and light and total and utter honesty.Morris_Dancer said:F1: Ecclestone agrees with drivers:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35889156
He's full of it.0 -
Looks like things are going well for Assad, less so for Al Baghdadi.FrancisUrquhart said:Syrian government forces have entered the ancient town of Palmyra
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There are lots of different policy decisions Osborne has made that people can latch onto as a reason to dislike him.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Being associated with cuts for the disabled is not sticking to the central ground. That was the choice of Osborne no one pushed him there. He created his rules, his targets and his choice of what to cut or tax. He drove the party off the main road.kle4 said:
Cameron and Osborne seemed to want to, but will they be allowed to, or will they even be around to do so?JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:
LD overtake UKIP break point imminent?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dem surge
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
Would certainty be a morale booster for the yellow peril.
Looks like an unwinding of the LD to Tory switchers who helped win the election for the Tories at GE.
Tories need to be careful and stay in the centre ground.
But his real problem is that he will advocate and do absolutely anything to anyone that he feels is most politically expedient to that present moment in time, and not necessarily consult on it first.
It means no one trusts him, and his motives and objectives can't be relied upon, and one is generally only left with the sense that he's only out to win and would sell his own mother to further his career.
Works for a time. But eventually you get found out.0 -
Well to be fair to Bernie he has said as much (though for different reasons) for about a year or so. Mercedes domination is just becoming boring. Part of the reason ratings are down is because I don't want to watch two Mercedes cars just go around the circuit and get an easy one/two barring any technical difficulties.Morris_Dancer said:F1: Ecclestone agrees with drivers:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35889156
He's full of it.0 -
I'm not watching but in what sense are those words a lie or stupid? Our Parliament (or, rather, the Queen in Parliament) is sovereign and could vote to leave the EU any time. At the last election voters could have given UKIP a majority to achieve just that.TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.0 -
I want someone we elected in charge of the health service. Ultimately who it is is a matter for the PM.MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.0 -
I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’0 -
Good grief.Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’0 -
Come back Ed Miliband....all is forgiven.....0
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MarkSenior said:
Unfortunately it is all too typical of the LibDem attitude to the truth to deliberately misrepresent their opponents.philiph said:MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS./blockquote>
Unfortunately , all too typical of the Conservative attitude to the NHS and the majority of the public know it which is why their support for the junior doctors has increased since the dispute started .
What @philiph was saying was that the function is more important than the form: what matters is high quality, taxpayer funded, health care provision on a universal basis and in a cost effective manner. The precise legal mechanism doesn't matter nearly as much0 -
National - Bloomberg
Clinton 48 .. Sanders 49
Pennsylvania - Franklin and Marshall
Trump 33 .. Kasich 30 .. Cruz 20
Clinton 53 .. Sanders 28
Clinton 46 .. Trump 33
Clinton 45 .. Cruz 350 -
#justicefortay
I think I know the real reason Tay was pulled it wasn't all the racist stuff...it was asked PS4, Xbox One or Wii U...and it replied PS4, Xbox has no games.0 -
"The day the betslip died"Casino_Royale said:
There are lots of different policy decisions Osborne has made that people can latch onto as a reason to dislike him.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Being associated with cuts for the disabled is not sticking to the central ground. That was the choice of Osborne no one pushed him there. He created his rules, his targets and his choice of what to cut or tax. He drove the party off the main road.kle4 said:
Cameron and Osborne seemed to want to, but will they be allowed to, or will they even be around to do so?JonathanD said:Casino_Royale said:
LD overtake UKIP break point imminent?TheScreamingEagles said:Lib Dem surge
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
Would certainty be a morale booster for the yellow peril.
Looks like an unwinding of the LD to Tory switchers who helped win the election for the Tories at GE.
Tories need to be careful and stay in the centre ground.
But his real problem is that he will advocate and do absolutely anything to anyone that he feels is most politically expedient to that present moment in time, and not necessarily consult on it first.
It means no one trusts him, and his motives and objectives can't be relied upon, and one is generally only left with the sense that he's only out to win and would sell his own mother to further his career.
Works for a time. But eventually you get found out.0 -
That's literally a WTF moment. It's like Labour don't want to be taken seriously. We've got a government wobbling over Europe, having to take huge u-turns in their budget, a £4.3bn blackhole that both the IFS and the government's own watchdog say needs to be filled and the leadership are talking to kebab shop owners about falafels.Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’0 -
That's lanslide territory for the DemsJackW said:National - Bloomberg
Clinton 48 .. Sanders 49
Pennsylvania - Franklin and Marshal
Trump 33 .. Kasich 30 .. Cruz 20
Clinton 53 .. Sanders 28
Clinton 46 .. Trump 33
Clinton 45 .. Cruz 350 -
I've never met a teetotaller in a kebab shop myself. Just standing upright is the mark of a prime customer.
Seriously, who'd eat one sober??!
Good grief.Jonathan said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
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That's literally a WTF moment. It's like Labour don't want to be taken seriously. We've got a government wobbling over Europe, having to take huge u-turns in their budget, a £4.3bn blackhole that both the IFS and the government's own watchdog say needs to be filled and the leadership are talking to kebab shop owners about falafels.MaxPB said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
Just imagine how bonkers he will be in power...sexist train carriages are the last thing we would have to worry about.
Prime Minister, ISIS have just stuck again. We think there are over 30 people dead....Sure sure...but how is the drafting of the "all kebabs must be served with salad policy" coming along?0 -
Plato_Says said:
I've never met a teetotaller in a kebab shop myself. Just standing upright is the mark of a prime customer.
Seriously, who'd eat one sober??!
Good grief.Jonathan said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
I love Lebanese food.0 -
6-4 North Carolina, Evens Florida. @ Paddy Power (Dem)TheScreamingEagles said:
That's lanslide territory for the DemsJackW said:National - Bloomberg
Clinton 48 .. Sanders 49
Pennsylvania - Franklin and Marshal
Trump 33 .. Kasich 30 .. Cruz 20
Clinton 53 .. Sanders 28
Clinton 46 .. Trump 33
Clinton 45 .. Cruz 35
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Charles said:
I must have learnt my lesson from you Leavers on here .MarkSenior said:
Unfortunately it is all too typical of the LibDem attitude to the truth to deliberately misrepresent their opponents.philiph said:MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS./blockquote>
Unfortunately , all too typical of the Conservative attitude to the NHS and the majority of the public know it which is why their support for the junior doctors has increased since the dispute started .
What @philiph was saying was that the function is more important than the form: what matters is high quality, taxpayer funded, health care provision on a universal basis and in a cost effective manner. The precise legal mechanism doesn't matter nearly as much0 -
I love Lebanese food.Charles said:Plato_Says said:I've never met a teetotaller in a kebab shop myself. Just standing upright is the mark of a prime customer.
Seriously, who'd eat one sober??!
Good grief.Jonathan said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
Yeah, but you don't go to a kebab shop to get it.0 -
Yeah, but you don't go to a kebab shop to get it.MaxPB said:
I love Lebanese food.Charles said:Plato_Says said:I've never met a teetotaller in a kebab shop myself. Just standing upright is the mark of a prime customer.
Seriously, who'd eat one sober??!
Good grief.Jonathan said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
Jezza does...0 -
Are you seriously saying that our Parliament can pass any law it wants without regard to the rules and laws of the EU?Wanderer said:
I'm not watching but in what sense are those words a lie or stupid? Our Parliament (or, rather, the Queen in Parliament) is sovereign and could vote to leave the EU any time. At the last election voters could have given UKIP a majority to achieve just that.TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.
Stunned.0 -
Don't Greeks call that revolving meat melange Gyro?
I love Lebanese food.Charles said:Plato_Says said:I've never met a teetotaller in a kebab shop myself. Just standing upright is the mark of a prime customer.
Seriously, who'd eat one sober??!
Good grief.Jonathan said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
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It can vote to leave the EU. Any time it likes. You are aware of that aren't you?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Are you seriously saying that our Parliament can pass any law it wants without regard to the rules and laws of the EU?Wanderer said:
I'm not watching but in what sense are those words a lie or stupid? Our Parliament (or, rather, the Queen in Parliament) is sovereign and could vote to leave the EU any time. At the last election voters could have given UKIP a majority to achieve just that.TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.
Stunned.0 -
Yeah, but you don't go to a kebab shop to get it.MaxPB said:
I love Lebanese food.Charles said:Plato_Says said:I've never met a teetotaller in a kebab shop myself. Just standing upright is the mark of a prime customer.
Seriously, who'd eat one sober??!
Good grief.Jonathan said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
He sends the butler to get it0 -
I would LOVE to debate that lady from BSE. She is so clueless. Although she is a Lib Dem so it is somewhat understandable.TCPoliticalBetting said:quick catch Lucy from REMAIN on DP. Pop corn or triumph?
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Yours is the attitude that reagrds all nurses as angels, who do their jobs for love.philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service.0 -
I'm usually a little cautious about pre Labor day general election matchups because one or both of the contenders isn't fully known to the voters. That certainly can't be said of Trump or Clinton. Both the national and swing state polls are dreadful for The Donald.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's lanslide territory for the DemsJackW said:National - Bloomberg
Clinton 48 .. Sanders 49
Pennsylvania - Franklin and Marshal
Trump 33 .. Kasich 30 .. Cruz 20
Clinton 53 .. Sanders 28
Clinton 46 .. Trump 33
Clinton 45 .. Cruz 35
I'd certainly be getting new advice if I were LondonBobski ....
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Yes. But Parliament cannot decide the UK laws on thousands of issues unless it also votes to leave the EU. So you are right, we have to leave the EU first to get full sovereignty.Wanderer said:
It can vote to leave the EU. Any time it likes. You are aware of that aren't you?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Are you seriously saying that our Parliament can pass any law it wants without regard to the rules and laws of the EU?Wanderer said:
I'm not watching but in what sense are those words a lie or stupid? Our Parliament (or, rather, the Queen in Parliament) is sovereign and could vote to leave the EU any time. At the last election voters could have given UKIP a majority to achieve just that.TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.
Stunned.
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O_o
Court News
Britain's biggest supplier of cutting agents for cocaine faces jail. He had so much of the stuff he had to blend it in a cement mixer0 -
You might say that for now at least, Parliament's sovereignty is theoretical, rather than practical.0
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Its an eagles arrangement.Wanderer said:
It can vote to leave the EU. Any time it likes. You are aware of that aren't you?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Are you seriously saying that our Parliament can pass any law it wants without regard to the rules and laws of the EU?Wanderer said:
I'm not watching but in what sense are those words a lie or stupid? Our Parliament (or, rather, the Queen in Parliament) is sovereign and could vote to leave the EU any time. At the last election voters could have given UKIP a majority to achieve just that.TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.
Stunned.
You can check out any time you like,
You can never leave.0 -
Number Cruncher
Ipsos MORI/Evening Standard:
CON 36 (-3)
LAB 34 (+1)
LIB 10 (+4)
UKIP 11 (-1)
GRN 3 (=)
19th-22nd Mar
N=1,023
Tabs https://t.co/86aI33Rye6
Satisfaction with George Osborne as Chancellor:
Satisfied: 27%
Dissatisfied: 60%
(via Ipsos Mori)0 -
Breaking: Adam Johnson to be hanged from the neck until death.0
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But until it does, it is bound by EU edicts.Wanderer said:
It can vote to leave the EU. Any time it likes. You are aware of that aren't you?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Are you seriously saying that our Parliament can pass any law it wants without regard to the rules and laws of the EU?Wanderer said:
I'm not watching but in what sense are those words a lie or stupid? Our Parliament (or, rather, the Queen in Parliament) is sovereign and could vote to leave the EU any time. At the last election voters could have given UKIP a majority to achieve just that.TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.
Stunned.0 -
Shish kebab is basically a lamb salad; doner could be anything and probably is.Plato_Says said:
I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’0 -
The judge is absolutely laying into Adam Johnson.0
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Judge is certainly not pulling any punchesPulpstar said:Breaking: Adam Johnson to be hanged from the neck until death.
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MarkSenior said:
Interesting.Charles said:
I must have learnt my lesson from you Leavers on here .MarkSenior said:
Unfortunately it is all too typical of the LibDem attitude to the truth to deliberately misrepresent their opponents.philiph said:MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS./blockquote>
Unfortunately , all too typical of the Conservative attitude to the NHS and the majority of the public know it which is why their support for the junior doctors has increased since the dispute started .
What @philiph was saying was that the function is more important than the form: what matters is high quality, taxpayer funded, health care provision on a universal basis and in a cost effective manner. The precise legal mechanism doesn't matter nearly as much
Your response to being called out is to smear your opponents.
Old school. Kudos for that.0 -
But that magical pivot to centre hasn't happened yet. Trump is a genius with his pivoting and centering. He has all the centerism position he has the best centre position. His centre position is not small.JackW said:
I'm usually a little cautious about pre Labor day general election matchups because one or both of the contenders isn't fully known to the voters. That certainly can't be said of Trump or Clinton. Both the national and swing state polls are dreadful for The Donald.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's lanslide territory for the DemsJackW said:National - Bloomberg
Clinton 48 .. Sanders 49
Pennsylvania - Franklin and Marshal
Trump 33 .. Kasich 30 .. Cruz 20
Clinton 53 .. Sanders 28
Clinton 46 .. Trump 33
Clinton 45 .. Cruz 35
I'd certainly be getting new advice if I were LondonBobski ....
People saying Trump is going to be President are currently operating a faith based position way in excess of those who thought NotTrump was going to win the nomination.
Barring events of course.0 -
One nurse I've "met" over the past few months would give Genghis Khan a run for his money. Her (death)bed manner chilled the bones. Certainly no bed blockers there .... and that was private !! ..OldKingCole said:
Yours is the attitude that reagrds all nurses as angels, who do their jobs for love.philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service. .. It amused Mrs JackW no end. 0 -
I admire your honesty. I guess you support the Tories? I wish the Tories would remove the facade of the NHS being important to them - it obviously ain't. Like you, the Tories don't really give a monkeys about the NHS but haven't got the guts to say it out...philiph said:
If you think the Health Service can continue without major changes to improve working practices, efficiency and outcomes, that is fine.MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS. I would like a quality service(s) free at the point of delivery. I don't happen to think the NHS is in any fit state to deliver that goal or provide value for money.0 -
Worth a look at the table. Ryan Bourne @MrRBourne
I think the EU is a social democratic project. The referendum voting intentions seem to back this up. https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/712986292737413121 …0 -
Cat A offence. It's at least five years then I think.OldKingCole said:
Judge is certainly not pulling any punchesPulpstar said:Breaking: Adam Johnson to be hanged from the neck until death.
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That's literally a WTF moment. It's like Labour don't want to be taken seriously. We've got a government wobbling over Europe, having to take huge u-turns in their budget, a £4.3bn blackhole that both the IFS and the government's own watchdog say needs to be filled and the leadership are talking to kebab shop owners about falafels.MaxPB said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
Also it's bollocks - there's very little of nutritional value in the heap of tasteless iceberg lettuce you get in a kebab.0 -
Is that before or after his castrationPulpstar said:Breaking: Adam Johnson to be hanged from the neck until death.
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Also it's bollocks - there's very little of nutritional value in the heap of tasteless iceberg lettuce you get in a kebab.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's literally a WTF moment. It's like Labour don't want to be taken seriously. We've got a government wobbling over Europe, having to take huge u-turns in their budget, a £4.3bn blackhole that both the IFS and the government's own watchdog say needs to be filled and the leadership are talking to kebab shop owners about falafels.MaxPB said:Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
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Seriously? Just stop.DecrepitJohnL said:
Shish kebab is basically a lamb salad; doner could be anything and probably is.
Plato_Says said:I've no WTF left
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/jeremy-corbyn-at-the-british-kebab-awards-hands-up-those-kebab-shops-that-dont-sell-falafel/‘Thank you so much for inviting me here this evening. As a vegetarian, I hope I’m still welcome. I’m always very keen when I get to a good kebab shop, to enjoy a good falafel. Hands up those kebab shops that don’t sell falafel… and, how many do?’
A number of kebab-sellers then confirmed that they did indeed sell falafel. Corbyn then moved on to another important matter — healthy eating in the community:
‘Kebab shops bring people together there a place of great discourse and discussion and particularly a place for young people to go to. And henceforth we will know Keith Vaz as the sugar man because of his great campaign to try and do something about the high intake of sugar in our society.
So what I’d like people to do when they take a kebab, is also take a salad with it as that helps to give them the balanced diet that everybody needs.’
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Watching The Donald pivot to the centre will be a sight to transfix politicos, knowing full well any moment he will explode after as much as .... well perhaps .... let's be generous .... at least a few days trying ....Alistair said:
But that magical pivot to centre hasn't happened yet. Trump is a genius with his pivoting and centering. He has all the centerism position he has the best centre position. His centre position is not small.JackW said:
I'm usually a little cautious about pre Labor day general election matchups because one or both of the contenders isn't fully known to the voters. That certainly can't be said of Trump or Clinton. Both the national and swing state polls are dreadful for The Donald.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's lanslide territory for the DemsJackW said:National - Bloomberg
Clinton 48 .. Sanders 49
Pennsylvania - Franklin and Marshal
Trump 33 .. Kasich 30 .. Cruz 20
Clinton 53 .. Sanders 28
Clinton 46 .. Trump 33
Clinton 45 .. Cruz 35
I'd certainly be getting new advice if I were LondonBobski ....
People saying Trump is going to be President are currently operating a faith based position way in excess of those who thought NotTrump was going to win the nomination.
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Very interesting analysis just out from Peter Kellner on the difference between outers and inners.
The inners are younger, urban, better educated, and richer than the outers who are older, provincial, dimmer and poorer.
But the big difference is:
"We listed ten possible causes of our economic problems and asked people to say which two or three they blame most. The top three picked by the “in” voters are completely different from the three picked by “out” voters:
For “in” voters, the top three are: British banks, the Conservative-led government since 2010 and growing inequality.
For “out” voters they are: EU rules and regulations, immigrants willing to work for low wages and the last Labour government. "
If it is narrow victory for Brexit, I don't think the younger, better educated ABC1s will take it lying down. Nor the Scots, Welsh and Irish. There will be all sorts of legal challenges, reinterpretations of what it means etc. Not quite civil war but brutal and effective.
However I still believe that REMAIN will win easily. I think REMAIN will be more professional and effective and have loads more money than the various BREXIT factions. So far I have received two excellently produced leaflets from REMAIN and none from BREXIT. I have also signed up to help the REMAIN campaign with leafletting, telephone canvassing and data entry. So bring it on.0 -
Why do you give a monkeys about it? Surely it's a means to an end?murali_s said:
I admire your honesty. I guess you support the Tories? I wish the Tories would remove the facade of the NHS being important to them - it obviously ain't. Like you, the Tories don't really give a monkeys about the NHS but haven't got the guts to say it out...philiph said:
If you think the Health Service can continue without major changes to improve working practices, efficiency and outcomes, that is fine.MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS. I would like a quality service(s) free at the point of delivery. I don't happen to think the NHS is in any fit state to deliver that goal or provide value for money.0 -
And Parliament doesn't need anyone else's permission to do exactly that (though it has decided to ask the opinion of the British electorate).TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes. But Parliament cannot decide the UK laws on thousands of issues unless it also votes to leave the EU. So you are right, we have to leave the EU first to get full sovereignty.Wanderer said:
It can vote to leave the EU. Any time it likes. You are aware of that aren't you?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Are you seriously saying that our Parliament can pass any law it wants without regard to the rules and laws of the EU?Wanderer said:
I'm not watching but in what sense are those words a lie or stupid? Our Parliament (or, rather, the Queen in Parliament) is sovereign and could vote to leave the EU any time. At the last election voters could have given UKIP a majority to achieve just that.TCPoliticalBetting said:On BBC DP Lucy from REMAIN "our parliament is sovereign".....
Is she just deliberately lying or too stupid to understand?
Meanwhile the BBC idea of balance is to have 3 people on , 2 are for REMAIN and 1 Against. Impartial as ever.
Stunned.
What I would call a non-sovereign parliament is one like the Scottish one which cannot (legally) declare itself separate from the UK. If our Parliament needed the rest of the EU's permission to repeal the 1973 Act then it would not be sovereign (and this wouldn't be a sovereign state). But it doesn't.0 -
Link?Barnesian said:Very interesting analysis just out from Peter Kellner on the difference between outers and inners.
The inners are younger, urban, better educated, and richer than the outers who are older, provincial, dimmer and poorer.
But the big difference is:
"We listed ten possible causes of our economic problems and asked people to say which two or three they blame most. The top three picked by the “in” voters are completely different from the three picked by “out” voters:
For “in” voters, the top three are: British banks, the Conservative-led government since 2010 and growing inequality.
For “out” voters they are: EU rules and regulations, immigrants willing to work for low wages and the last Labour government. "
If it is narrow victory for Brexit, I don't think the younger, better educated ABC1s will take it lying down. Nor the Scots, Welsh and Irish. There will be all sorts of legal challenges, reinterpretations of what it means etc. Not quite civil war but brutal and effective.
However I still believe that REMAIN will win easily. I think REMAIN will be more professional and effective and have loads more money than the various BREXIT factions. So far I have received two excellently produced leaflets from REMAIN and none from BREXIT. I have also signed up to help the REMAIN campaign with leafletting, telephone canvassing and data entry. So bring it on.0 -
@TCPoliticalbetting - honestly, who wants to be associated with the Guardian readers?0
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lol, I wouldn't have listed any of those causesBarnesian said:Very interesting analysis just out from Peter Kellner on the difference between outers and inners.
The inners are younger, urban, better educated, and richer than the outers who are older, provincial, dimmer and poorer.
But the big difference is:
"We listed ten possible causes of our economic problems and asked people to say which two or three they blame most. The top three picked by the “in” voters are completely different from the three picked by “out” voters:
For “in” voters, the top three are: British banks, the Conservative-led government since 2010 and growing inequality.
For “out” voters they are: EU rules and regulations, immigrants willing to work for low wages and the last Labour government. "
If it is narrow victory for Brexit, I don't think the younger, better educated ABC1s will take it lying down. Nor the Scots, Welsh and Irish. There will be all sorts of legal challenges, reinterpretations of what it means etc. Not quite civil war but brutal and effective.
However I still believe that REMAIN will win easily. I think REMAIN will be more professional and effective and have loads more money than the various BREXIT factions. So far I have received two excellently produced leaflets from REMAIN and none from BREXIT. I have also signed up to help the REMAIN campaign with leafletting, telephone canvassing and data entry. So bring it on.0 -
What is a "Guardian reader" ? Hardly anyone (no one) buys it anymore but many read it online.TCPoliticalBetting said:Worth a look at the table. Ryan Bourne @MrRBourne
I think the EU is a social democratic project. The referendum voting intentions seem to back this up. https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/712986292737413121 …0 -
I don't care about an organisation set up for the needs of 60 years ago. If you read my comment I do care about delivery of health care, not who deliver it.murali_s said:
I admire your honesty. I guess you support the Tories? I wish the Tories would remove the facade of the NHS being important to them - it obviously ain't. Like you, the Tories don't really give a monkeys about the NHS but haven't got the guts to say it out...philiph said:
If you think the Health Service can continue without major changes to improve working practices, efficiency and outcomes, that is fine.MarkSenior said:
Well you want Hunt in charge of the NHS , a man with an ethos that is not compatible with a Health Service .philiph said:
Just as well not to let those who don't have the right outlook for the job get in the way of those that do. I assume they would be the more mercenary, who would leave for greener pastures anyway.OldKingCole said:
We haven’t seen how many are going to sign up in June/July though. Empty junior posts in August because those who “should” have filled them have gone elsewhere will bring problems.Pulpstar said:
Hunt's got the contract through. It wasn't pretty how he did it, but he hasn't buckled like a Bojo certainly would in that position.Casino_Royale said:
Hmm. Hunt seems to have caused all the problems with Health that Gove did with Education without any of the success.Plato_Says said:Sam Coates
There is unconfirmed talk of Jeremy Hunt to Commons Leader post referendum to help with Tory reunification - Tory source
Also he's an EU welcher.
Why would we want them without an ethos that is compatible with a Health Service.
I actually don't give a monkeys about the NHS. I would like a quality service(s) free at the point of delivery. I don't happen to think the NHS is in any fit state to deliver that goal or provide value for money.
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Yes we all remember Barnesian's models and supposedly unbiased polling analyses from May 2015.
And the hilariously wrong results.
In polling analysis, Chestnut destroyed him, and everybody else.0 -
He's objective then.Barnesian said:Very interesting analysis just out from Peter Kellner on the difference between outers and inners.
The inners are younger, urban, better educated, and richer than the outers who are older, provincial, dimmer and poorer.
But the big difference is:
"We listed ten possible causes of our economic problems and asked people to say which two or three they blame most. The top three picked by the “in” voters are completely different from the three picked by “out” voters:
For “in” voters, the top three are: British banks, the Conservative-led government since 2010 and growing inequality.
For “out” voters they are: EU rules and regulations, immigrants willing to work for low wages and the last Labour government. "
If it is narrow victory for Brexit, I don't think the younger, better educated ABC1s will take it lying down. Nor the Scots, Welsh and Irish. There will be all sorts of legal challenges, reinterpretations of what it means etc. Not quite civil war but brutal and effective.
However I still believe that REMAIN will win easily. I think REMAIN will be more professional and effective and have loads more money than the various BREXIT factions. So far I have received two excellently produced leaflets from REMAIN and none from BREXIT. I have also signed up to help the REMAIN campaign with leafletting, telephone canvassing and data entry. So bring it on.
For plenty of urbane Leftists the EU is just as important a totem for them as it for Leavers who are desperate to leave it.0 -
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