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Chris_A said:

It's handy how the junior doctors are preparing the country for life in the future as when Hunt gets his shiny new rotas there will be so many holes in the A&E and ITU ones that it'll be like the strikes all over again.

I don't think you've ever answered this question:

NHS doctors think they should be paid free-market wages, as they appear to be in Australia*. How are they accounting for the value they have received in the form of subsidisied tuition when they consider what they should be paid?

* Based solely on comments on pb.com

Moses_ said:

Pulpstar said:

Crabb blames ... atheism !

"Stephen Crabb, the new work and pensions secretary, has previously suggested Britain’s increasingly secular society risks “pushing more young Muslims into the arms of Isis”.
Belgium holds minute's silence for Brussels attack victims
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Crabb, then Welsh secretary, used a speech to claim that a “hard-edged” secularism in Britain was partly to blame for “aiding and abetting” extremism"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/23/cameron-tells-christians-help-muslims-tackle-extremism

Isn't that a paradox though. They have a massive amount of freedom here in comparison to that which would be available had they been living in other societies elsewhere. Yet despite that available freedom and acceptance by the host they still seek in many ways to overturn this and a very few even wish to destroy this freedom using violence.

Angry, violent young people are not always the brightest buttons. See also members of the hard left using Twitter to denounce capitalism.

RobD said:

Plato_Says said:

Hmm

ISIS smuggler says more than 4,000 covert gunmen have been smuggled into western nations amongst refugees | Mirror https://t.co/j0FHMvemhP

Not so stupid of Dave to only accept those from the camps in/near Syria.

This is what should always have been done of course yet Cameron was regularly castigated for it. However the internal situation also has to be resolved allowing people to return.

If the amount of money now being wasted controlling this flow of migrants had been put into the camps the border would look like Sharm el Sheik. As it is we have what we now have and Europe is effectively changed forever as many of these will never return. To be fair looking at the pictures who could blame them there is little left standing to return too.

DaemonBarber said:

I have no words...
http://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/712757366597545984

Sad day indeed

O/T:

Just saw this on Sky News:

"Dog breaks record for fastest time travelling on a ball"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/viral-video/12201023/Dog-breaks-record-for-fastest-time-travelling-on-a-ball.html

Jeremy Bowen
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malcolmg said:

DaemonBarber said:

I have no words...
http://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/712757366597545984

Sad day indeed

Curiously, in that parallel universe The National has the exact same cover saying what a wonderful thing it would have been if we had voted No.

Charles said:

Secularism is not the same as atheism

But there is pretty good evidence that a secular society and the decline of mainstream churches has led to a demand from people to satisfy their spiritual longings. We see this manifested in the upswing in interest in paganism, astrology, homeopathy, Gaiaism, etc.

It's pretty logical that it would lead to an interest or openness to more virulent forms of Islam.

pretty logical, or a massive assumption without any evidence? As someone else was mentioning earlier, these young men often have a history of petty violence and criminality, and would otherwise be engaged in street gangs, most likely.

there's always this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cross_and_the_Switchblade

i suppose

Moses_ said:

RobD said:

malcolmg said:

DaemonBarber said:

I have no words...
http://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/712757366597545984

Sad day indeed

It is indeed a parallel universe. Full of the most sumptuous turnips

Interesting name for a newspaper though "The Nat Onal" must have some local connection I guess?

Can someone tell me what kind of budget surplus they were reporting in this parallel universe?

RobD said:

Moses_ said:

Discussion on here last night re the difference in security that could be achieved if in Europe or out. Well I guess if anyone would know then he would.....I think I'll believe him rather than anyone else.


The former head of MI6 yesterday demolished the security case for staying in the EU – saying Britain could be safer out.

Sir Richard Dearlove said Brexit would make it easier to deport terrorists and control our borders.
He added that Europe could not turn its back on Britain if it left the EU because our intelligence services 'give much more' than they get in return. In any event, Washington was a more important counter-terror ally, he said.

The former spy chief also dismissed suggestions that Brexit would harm our relationship with the US and likened the EU's various intelligence bodies to the 'leakiest ships of state' and colanders riddled with holes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3506991/UK-safer-Europe-says-former-MI6-chief-Sir-Richard-Dearlove-suggests-Brexit-make-easier-deport-terrorists.html#ixzz43njdKZ6l

I think Five Eyes is much more important to us than any cooperation in Europe. To suggest it would be damaged by Brexit is absurd, it was in existence long before we were in the EU.

Hitler was still in Berlin when Five Eyes started......

Charles said:

Chris_A said:

It's handy how the junior doctors are preparing the country for life in the future as when Hunt gets his shiny new rotas there will be so many holes in the A&E and ITU ones that it'll be like the strikes all over again.

I don't think you've ever answered this question:

NHS doctors think they should be paid free-market wages, as they appear to be in Australia*. How are they accounting for the value they have received in the form of subsidisied tuition when they consider what they should be paid?

* Based solely on comments on pb.com

The free market is the free market, surely. Why should doctors have to do that more than anyone else who has received subsidised tuition?

AndyJS said:

https://twitter.com/johnkeypm/status/712904396535758848

A giant waste of $20m.

RobD said:

malcolmg said:

DaemonBarber said:

I have no words...
http://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/712757366597545984

Sad day indeed

It is indeed a parallel universe. Full of the most sumptuous turnips

One doesn’t need to believe that the case for independence is just about the economics to wish for the economic implications to be understood. None of this analysis suggests that Scotland couldn’t be independent, it merely highlights the likely price that we would have to pay.

What the GERS numbers show us is that the likely price we would have paid for independence had there been a Yes vote would have been of the order of £9bn a year; that’s about £1,700 a year for every man, woman and child in Scotland.

http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.id/2016/03/the-price-of-independence.html

NickPalmer said:

The NZ referendum is a very good example of the way that it can turn into an apparently easy way to kick an unpopular government. Remain here needs to be careful that the referendum doesn't turn into a vote of confidence in David Cameron.

It might be a bit late for that, isn't that exactly what is happening?

dugarbandier said:

Charles said:

Secularism is not the same as atheism

But there is pretty good evidence that a secular society and the decline of mainstream churches has led to a demand from people to satisfy their spiritual longings. We see this manifested in the upswing in interest in paganism, astrology, homeopathy, Gaiaism, etc.

It's pretty logical that it would lead to an interest or openness to more virulent forms of Islam.

pretty logical, or a massive assumption without any evidence? As someone else was mentioning earlier, these young men often have a history of petty violence and criminality, and would otherwise be engaged in street gangs, most likely.

there's always this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cross_and_the_Switchblade

i suppose

There's clear evidence that secularism has gone hand in hand with the rise of other expressions of spiritual needs.

It's an assumption that the more extreme forms of Islam would be attractive to a sub-group of people seeking meaning in their lives.

We've also seen this in Christianity, with the growth of traditional liturgy and the strength of the more evangelical forms of Anglicianism and Protestantism.

Tykejohnno said:

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/712765917885829121

None with an AK47 so no problem

RobD said:

AndyJS said:

https://twitter.com/johnkeypm/status/712904396535758848

A giant waste of $20m.

A very good chance that it will be flying very high at the final of the T20 in a couple of weeks time. They have the completely unfair advantage of being able to bat and bowl. In their last match I don't think they conceded a boundary in the last 5 overs.

NickPalmer said:

The NZ referendum is a very good example of the way that it can turn into an apparently easy way to kick an unpopular government. Remain here needs to be careful that the referendum doesn't turn into a vote of confidence in David Cameron.

Perhaps, though the NZ referendum might also have shown the new designs were bloody awful, or that most Kiwis don't really care. I suspect the latter may also be true of EUref.

asjohnstone said:

rottenborough said:

Pong said:

rottenborough said:

Pong said:

Tissue_Price said:

Bit of a debacle on the Lottery tonight. The winning numbers were 7 - 14 - 21 - 35 - 41 - 42 (Bonus 43) and the prize breakdown that produced was:

       	     # Winners	  Prize      Prize fund
Match 6	            0	     £0     £24,887,143
Match 5 + Bonus	    6   £10,016         £60,096
Match 5	        4,082       £15         £61,230
Match 4	        7,879       £51        £401,829
Match 3	      114,232       £25      £2,855,800

Imagine matching 5 numbers and winning £15!

That's crazy.

lucky 7 x table

I guess matching 5 of 1,2,3,4,5,6 might result in a similarly distorted payout.

Interestingly and rather obviously to PB types, the odds of winning are still around 45 million to one, whatever your six number sequence.

So, a better strategy is to pick the most unpopular sequence of six numbers.

The whole proposition carries a -EV except in rare occasions of extended role overs, the best strategy is not to play at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo

Note that the learning strategy - making the computer play against itself is the same technique as used in AlphaGo. (The film was made in 1983)

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Trident may be Jezza's downfall ...

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/defence/news/73109/len-mccluskey-blasts-jeremy-corbyn-over-trident

Charles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Charles said:

Chris_A said:

It's handy how the junior doctors are preparing the country for life in the future as when Hunt gets his shiny new rotas there will be so many holes in the A&E and ITU ones that it'll be like the strikes all over again.

I don't think you've ever answered this question:

NHS doctors think they should be paid free-market wages, as they appear to be in Australia*. How are they accounting for the value they have received in the form of subsidisied tuition when they consider what they should be paid?

* Based solely on comments on pb.com

The free market is the free market, surely. Why should doctors have to do that more than anyone else who has received subsidised tuition?

Of course they are at liberty to move as individuals.

But the union leadership, to claim they are underpaid while not taking into account the subsidized tuition is disingenuous to say the least.

Personally, I'd prefer a structure with tuition funded through government loans that are written off over, say, 10 years, working for the NHS. And if you want to move to Australia or the US to maximise your personal income, fine, but you have to pay back the investment that the UK taxpayer made in you

Sounds reasonable.

The escalation announced yesterday looks to me like a major error.

malcolmg said:

RobD said:

Plato_Says said:

Hmm

ISIS smuggler says more than 4,000 covert gunmen have been smuggled into western nations amongst refugees | Mirror https://t.co/j0FHMvemhP

Not so stupid of Dave to only accept those from the camps in/near Syria.

He obviously knew they were coming in by the lorryload already and so we were beating our quotas.

Come on, you have to admit taking from the camps directly was the most sensible course of action. Helping those most in need.

It's counter intuitive

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Charles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Charles said:

Chris_A said:

It's handy how the junior doctors are preparing the country for life in the future as when Hunt gets his shiny new rotas there will be so many holes in the A&E and ITU ones that it'll be like the strikes all over again.

I don't think you've ever answered this question:

NHS doctors think they should be paid free-market wages, as they appear to be in Australia*. How are they accounting for the value they have received in the form of subsidisied tuition when they consider what they should be paid?

* Based solely on comments on pb.com

The free market is the free market, surely. Why should doctors have to do that more than anyone else who has received subsidised tuition?

Of course they are at liberty to move as individuals.

But the union leadership, to claim they are underpaid while not taking into account the subsidized tuition is disingenuous to say the least.

Personally, I'd prefer a structure with tuition funded through government loans that are written off over, say, 10 years, working for the NHS. And if you want to move to Australia or the US to maximise your personal income, fine, but you have to pay back the investment that the UK taxpayer made in you

Same principle that's made in most industries. I used to have to sign agreements not to push off for 2 or 3 years at least after training investment was made. Fair enough both signatories gained from the agreement.

Charles said:

There's clear evidence that secularism has gone hand in hand with the rise of other expressions of spiritual needs.

It's an assumption that the more extreme forms of Islam would be attractive to a sub-group of people seeking meaning in their lives.

We've also seen this in Christianity, with the growth of traditional liturgy and the strength of the more evangelical forms of Anglicianism and Protestantism.

1st point not in dispute.

question is whether jihadis are actually seeking spiritual meaning, or something else.

(and as you said yourself, secularism is not the same as athiesm, the US being highly secular, at least in theory, though very religious)

malcolmg said:

Pulpstar said:

Crabb blames ... atheism !

"Stephen Crabb, the new work and pensions secretary, has previously suggested Britain’s increasingly secular society risks “pushing more young Muslims into the arms of Isis”.
Belgium holds minute's silence for Brussels attack victims
Read more

Crabb, then Welsh secretary, used a speech to claim that a “hard-edged” secularism in Britain was partly to blame for “aiding and abetting” extremism"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/23/cameron-tells-christians-help-muslims-tackle-extremism

Another Tory nutjob promoted well above his level of competence. Where do they find these clowns and how do they ever reach the top.

It must be that politicians from other parties wear even bigger clown shoes....

You know, like those that would happily have led their people over an economic cliff in the cause of "indepenence". And then don't have it in them to say "uh, sorry folks".

richardDodd said:

I love it when some dumbf2ck living in the heart of ISIS activity tells us that the ones who actually have to go and do the dirty dangerous stuff are completely useless..Must be tough dodging the bombs and bullets up in boggy Ayrshire

Too much spaghetti Doddery. That is rich coming from a jumped up emigrant nomark who is living outside the UK. Go press your nuclear button you sad sack of merde. I can sleep safe at night knowing we have heroes like you protecting us.

New Zealand were the first nation to support our Falklands position and loaned us a boat, according to @Chrisg0000 passim

Casino_Royale said:

Good news on the NZ flag - the flag New Zealanders formed their nation under, fought and died for and nods to the nation's British roots.

Not sure why it was necessary as the silver fern was an official emblem anyway.

Plato_Says said:

Fraser Nelson
An independent Scotland would have worst deficit (and, ergo, crisis) in the developed world: https://t.co/C1IGqpmGqd https://t.co/Ipo7mRJXEf

What bollocks , why are the unionists so upset given they are supposed to have won the vote. They spend all their time rubbishing Scotland yet the mess is all down to Westminster's incompetence and mishandling of the Scottish economy. Stupid people are taken in by clowns like this who spout imaginary scenarios and the sheeple baa enthusiastically.
Just so you know Scotland is NOR independent , it does not run its own affairs and it is the UK that makes the mess this clown points to.

Plato_Says said:

New Zealand were the first nation to support our Falklands position and loaned us a boat, according to @Chrisg0000 passim

Casino_Royale said:

Good news on the NZ flag - the flag New Zealanders formed their nation under, fought and died for and nods to the nation's British roots.

Not sure why it was necessary as the silver fern was an official emblem anyway.

Island nations stick together.

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Of course they lied about oil revenues, lied about "once in a generation", why would anyone be surprised they lied about 'progressive' taxation...

Ms Sturgeon’s decision to abandon her policy of restoring the 50p tax band in Scotland, originally promised in 2014, is a sign that the First Minister’s social democratic principles are as perishable as Labour’s. The 50p rate is essentially a tax on the Edinburgh financial “community” since bankers are the largest group earning more than £150,000. Now the SNP has again nailed its colours to their dubious mast.

I wonder what the SNP MP Mhairi Black, whose maiden speech to the Commons was all about social equity, really thinks of all this. She has to follow the party line. But what does she tell her Paisley constituents? “Eh, the rich don’t like paying taxes, so we’re not going to try”.

http://m.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14379525.Iain_Macwhirter__Shame_on_the_SNP_for_choosing_to_park_its_conscience/

logical_song said:

Charles said:

Pulpstar said:

Crabb blames ... atheism !

"Stephen Crabb, the new work and pensions secretary, has previously suggested Britain’s increasingly secular society risks “pushing more young Muslims into the arms of Isis”.
Belgium holds minute's silence for Brussels attack victims
Read more

Crabb, then Welsh secretary, used a speech to claim that a “hard-edged” secularism in Britain was partly to blame for “aiding and abetting” extremism"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/23/cameron-tells-christians-help-muslims-tackle-extremism

Secularism is not the same as atheism

But there is pretty good evidence that a secular society and the decline of mainstream churches has led to a demand from people to satisfy their spiritual longings. We see this manifested in the upswing in interest in paganism, astrology, homeopathy, Gaiaism, etc.

It's pretty logical that it would lead to an interest or openness to more virulent forms of Islam.

I don't get how a decline in people's belief in Christianity could push young Muslims into the arms of ISIS. If we all started going to church would that deter them, or if we all became US style evangelicals would that help?

It's not just Christianity - you see this across most religions in the UK.

The argument is that there is a human need (presumably genetic - although I think @SeanT has a theory on this!) for spiritual expression. As society becomes more secular this need is unfulfilled, pushing some into kookieness and others into extreme forms of militant religions.

Charles said:

I'm not sure that anyone with an interest in homeopathy is seeking spiritual meaning either! It's just a sense that there needs to be "something more" than the humdrum day to day.

perhaps homeopathy is more about the erosion of trust in science and science reporting.

perhaps that "choose your own reality" mentality coupled with choose the news of your choice can also be apportioned some of the blame for widepsread mentalism?

foxinsoxuk said:

SouthamObserver said:

Charles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Charles said:

Chris_A said:

It's handy how the junior doctors are preparing the country for life in the future as when Hunt gets his shiny new rotas there will be so many holes in the A&E and ITU ones that it'll be like the strikes all over again.

I don't think you've ever answered this question:

NHS doctors think they should be paid free-market wages, as they appear to be in Australia*. How are they accounting for the value they have received in the form of subsidisied tuition when they consider what they should be paid?

* Based solely on comments on pb.com

The free market is the free market, surely. Why should doctors have to do that more than anyone else who has received subsidised tuition?

Of course they are at liberty to move as individuals.

But the union leadership, to claim they are underpaid while not taking into account the subsidized tuition is disingenuous to say the least.

Personally, I'd prefer a structure with tuition funded through government loans that are written off over, say, 10 years, working for the NHS. And if you want to move to Australia or the US to maximise your personal income, fine, but you have to pay back the investment that the UK taxpayer made in you

Sounds reasonable.

The escalation announced yesterday looks to me like a major error.

Contract imposition is 4 months away. Juniors are applying for those jobs not knowing where they will be or what they will get paid. The rotas and contract terms are not yet published.

The BMA JDC could only escalate or accept. They cannot accept a deal rejected by 98.5% of their membership on a 70% turnout. Escalation it is.

They've been played, then. This is not going to end well for the doctors. As I said yesterday, there are aspects of this dispute that are beginning to resemble the miners' strike.

Test

SquareRoot said:

foxinsoxuk said:

SouthamObserver said:

Charles said:

SouthamObserver said:

Charles said:

Chris_A said:

It's handy how the junior doctors are preparing the country for life in the future as when Hunt gets his shiny new rotas there will be so many holes in the A&E and ITU ones that it'll be like the strikes all over again.

I don't think you've ever answered this question:

NHS doctors think they should be paid free-market wages, as they appear to be in Australia*. How are they accounting for the value they have received in the form of subsidisied tuition when they consider what they should be paid?

* Based solely on comments on pb.com

The free market is the free market, surely. Why should doctors have to do that more than anyone else who has received subsidised tuition?

Of course they are at liberty to move as individuals.

But the union leadership, to claim they are underpaid while not taking into account the subsidized tuition is disingenuous to say the least.

Personally, I'd prefer a structure with tuition funded through government loans that are written off over, say, 10 years, working for the NHS. And if you want to move to Australia or the US to maximise your personal income, fine, but you have to pay back the investment that the UK taxpayer made in you

Sounds reasonable.

The escalation announced yesterday looks to me like a major error.

Contract imposition is 4 months away. Juniors are applying for those jobs not knowing where they will be or what they will get paid. The rotas and contract terms are not yet published.

The BMA JDC could only escalate or accept. They cannot accept a deal rejected by 98.5% of their membership on a 70% turnout. Escalation it is.

Yes the brothers must stick together.. since the Scargill like leadership ,whipping up its members with half truths and sod the general public.

Frankly I hope it does irreparable damage to the reputation of doctors in general.. its not before time.. their "saintly" status is ludicrous.

Ignorance is bliss, I see.

Are you suggesting that 98.5% of junior doctors are too stupid to understand their own contracts? This is not led by radicals, it is led by people who do not want a major deteriation in their pay and conditions of service. Terms that are increasingly forcing people out. The BMAs conterproposals were cost neutral but Hunt refuses to even discuss them.

Ben
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Andrew Neil demolished her

Good morning, everyone.

Mr. Charles, I think some people have a need for that. Many don't. The problem may be that whereas Christianity has a lot of conservative and liberal positions, the default of Islam appears to be fundamentalism, and it's a shorter hope* from that to extremism than it is from a liberal or conservative position.

It's also probably true that the Muslim majority in the Middle East (which is not renowned for stability and peace) doesn't help things. When Islam (or one of its varieties) is written into the legal code of a country then it's easier for political disputes to also be religious in nature.

The meek response of the West to some things which should be unacceptable is not helpful (when the Jesus and Mo cartoon was featured on Newsnight, most of it was attacking the atheist cartoonist for exercising freedom of expression and there was less than a minute criticising those who wanted Majid Nawaz[sp] deselected as a Lib Dem candidate for supporting that free speech).

*Edited extra bit: hop, not hope.

Charles said:

dugarbandier said:

Charles said:

There's clear evidence that secularism has gone hand in hand with the rise of other expressions of spiritual needs.

It's an assumption that the more extreme forms of Islam would be attractive to a sub-group of people seeking meaning in their lives.

We've also seen this in Christianity, with the growth of traditional liturgy and the strength of the more evangelical forms of Anglicianism and Protestantism.

1st point not in dispute.

question is whether jihadis are actually seeking spiritual meaning, or something else.

(and as you said yourself, secularism is not the same as athiesm, the US being highly secular, at least in theory, though very religious)

I'm not sure that anyone with an interest in homeopathy is seeking spiritual meaning either! It's just a sense that there needs to be "something more" than the humdrum day to day.

- Those who stand for nothing fall for anything

p.s. I'd dispute that the US is highly secular - I'm using it in the technical sense rather than in common parlance

I would put it the other way round. Technically the US is secular in that its constitution insists (to some extent) on the separation of church and state (in contrast with the UK). In common parlance it seems less secular because its has so many vocal Christians.

At all events, secularism itself is eminently worth defending. The devout should appreciate this as much as anyone as a secular society is a bulwark of religious freedom.

foxinsoxuk said:

Ignorance is bliss, I see.

Are you suggesting that 98.5% of junior doctors are too stupid to understand their own contracts? This is not led by radicals, it is led by people who do not want a major deteriation in their pay and conditions of service. Terms that are increasingly forcing people out. The BMAs conterproposals were cost neutral but Hunt refuses to even discuss them.

And Hunt doesn’t seemed to have factored in the substantial increase in costs which seven day working will cause.
That’s not saying I’m against it; I just don’t think it can be doine without involving other staff, and there’ll be a cost to that.

Well, I for one am truly celebrating not Independence Day

And the people of Scotland replied to the false prophet Salmond;

“The Lord may well work in strange and mysterious ways – but making this add up would be a stretch even for Him.

For you are talking keech”

Whereupon the face of the false prophet Salmond turned whiter than a whitened sepulchre newly washed with daz ultra. He gathered together his pensions and departed for a radio studio in London to his third job – as a shock jock.

The irony of which he perceiveth not .

And lo the tribe of the Caledonians did fall upon their ballot papers in great multitudes and the bulk of the people did place their mark against the box marked “No”.

http://notesonnationalism.typepad.com/theblog/2016/03/thought-for-the-not-independence-day-.html

Plato_Says said:

Maomentum
Left: Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam.
Islamic State: Erm, let me pause you there.
Left: WE WILL DECIDE, THANK YOU.

Presumably Mr Cameron your former hero is included in the definition of Left now

Jesus, talk about snowflake generation

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