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"Behind every statistic is a human being. Perhaps sometimes in Gov we forget that." New DWP Secretary Stephen Crabb writes Osborne's epitaph
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FPT: Mr. Indigo, it's like Hannibal and the Alps.
"We will either find a way, or make one."
The Establishment will feel smug and confident and then they'll soil their undergarments when Hannibal actually turns up and starts battering them. [NB the Establishment will eventually triumph, but it might be badly treated in the meantime].
Mr. Eek, I'm not flabbergasted. Turkey being dodgy or the EU being incompetent and profligate is pretty much par for the course.
FPT2: Mr. Eagles, Corbyn is like an anti-matter version of Grand Admiral Thrawn, Tywin Lannister and Hannibal rolled into one.
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Mike's tweet is brilliant!0
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Corbyn's doing just fine. He's just following advice to not make waves, as when he tries to things go badly. Right?0
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Trump: try having a baby in Mexico and claiming you're a citizen. They'll laugh at you in your face...
Trump: UK may leave EU. They're having a lot of problems...0 -
Trump: could take 100 years to recover from 4 or 5 new (DEM) SCOTUS justices. I'm going to submit a list of 10 of my own justices, I would appoint...0
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Lord Ashcroft✔@LordAshcroft
In the House of Commons today facing Cameron the Opposition Leader with an open goal didn't just miss the net he missed the ball...
Isn’t his Lordship a Cameroon lackey?
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Mr. StClare, Chairman Corbyn brings peace to his enemies, and discord to his friends.
And some thought Ed Miliband was the best sleeper agent the Conservatives ever had.0 -
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.0 -
Excellent from Mr Smithson on Corbyn & IDS0
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Apologies for the potty mouthed tweet in the thread header. But it needed to be said0
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There is a difference in the ease with which their parties' rules allow for the leader to be deposed.rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.0 -
Jezza didn't miss the ball .... he was playing a different game in a different stadium with the same result - Jezza blew it.SimonStClare said:Lord Ashcroft✔@LordAshcroft
In the House of Commons today facing Cameron the Opposition Leader with an open goal didn't just miss the net he missed the ball...0 -
Had IDS led the Tories in 2005 would he have done much worse than Michael Howard?rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.0 -
Yestlg86 said:
Had IDS led the Tories in 2005 would he have done much worse than Michael Howard?rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.0 -
Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.0 -
New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.0 -
You're thinking what I'm thinking.Wanderer said:
Yestlg86 said:
Had IDS led the Tories in 2005 would he have done much worse than Michael Howard?rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.0 -
If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.0 -
Lol, I posted he needed a shave at least four times over the weekend!Richard_Nabavi said:
If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.
Check my Saturday posts :-)0 -
I think I'm going to do a thread offering some fashion advice to Stephen Crabb.Richard_Nabavi said:
If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.
Remember I did a thread offering some fashion advice to Corbyn, he didn't listen and got into terrible trouble over it.0 -
The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.0 -
Iirc the "why not X" mentality is what got IDS elected in the first place.Speedy said:
New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.0 -
Yes, but I read up on him and watched a few videos.Speedy said:
New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.
He talks normal, communicates well and has an interesting backstory.
If he has a shave, impresses in his new post and dries out a bit on the EU and immigration he could go far.0 -
It is amusing to see that Jeremy Corbyn appears to have taken David Cameron's mum's advice on sartorial matters. Anthem-singing: tbd.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think I'm going to do a thread offering some fashion advice to Stephen Crabb.Richard_Nabavi said:
If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.
Remember I did a thread offering some fashion advice to Corbyn, he didn't listen and got into terrible trouble over it.0 -
And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.
In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.
The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...0 -
Well, there's the old adage that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them.JosiasJessop said:
And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.
In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.
The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...0 -
He seems to be very well regarded by fellow Tory MPs, but of course it's early days. The DWP is a hell of a tough gig.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, but I read up on him and watched a few videos.Speedy said:
New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.Casino_Royale said:Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.
Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.
He talks normal, communicates well and has an interesting backstory.
If he has a shave, impresses in his new post and dries out a bit on the EU and immigration he could go far.0 -
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.0 -
FPT
5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).rottenborough said:
Where is the fraud?Omnium said:
IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.chestnut said:There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.
There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)
There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.
If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.0 -
I've met Republicans who would be turned off by that. Well, turned off politically, er, you know what I mean.Casino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.0 -
Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.0
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It's a old adage that in 2010 was a load of Jezza.rottenborough said:
Well, there's the old adage that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them.JosiasJessop said:
And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.
In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.
The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...0 -
Is there a link to Corbyn's response? I'd like to see it. I saw a few bits of him rambling but I'd like to see the whole thing.
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Polygamous Mormon guys thinking... "Man, just one like that would be enough...."Casino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.0 -
How do you know?Omnium said:FPT
5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).rottenborough said:
Where is the fraud?Omnium said:
IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.chestnut said:There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.
There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)
There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.
If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.0 -
Trump is in a far stronger position than Cruz over SCOTUS. Being completely powerless in reality can occasionally be politically useful. Trump's dream scenario is for Obama to actually APPOINT someone !RodCrosby said:Trump: try having a baby in Mexico and claiming you're a citizen. They'll laugh at you in your face...
Trump: UK may leave EU. They're having a lot of problems...0 -
There must be a picture out there of Hillary in the bath tub – but who wants to see that?MarqueeMark said:
Polygamous Mormon guys thinking... "Man, just one like that would be enough...."Casino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
snipped for space.
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates. 0 -
When it comes to November, this kind of ineptness could be Hillary's undoing amongst her supposed firewall of African-American voters. CNN did an interesting compilation of all the favourable references to Donald Trump in hip-hop music over the years. His name is synonymous with success and bling.Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
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I agree. So much so, that I sent my agreement back into the pastto 4:03PM today, when I said:Pulpstar said:Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.
TheWhiteRabbit said:It's Cruz v 50% as far as anyone is concerned. Shame there isn't a market (?)
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Kasich could end up helping Trump hereTheWhiteRabbit said:
I agree. So much so, that I sent my agreement back into the pastto 4:03PM today, when I said:Pulpstar said:Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.
TheWhiteRabbit said:It's Cruz v 50% as far as anyone is concerned. Shame there isn't a market (?)
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Somewhat surprised that Remain has not drifted on Betfair over the last 3 days. Not saying it should necessarily.0
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Yes, or, put it another way, Rubio dropping out actually hindered Trump. But it's eyes on the prize, I guess.Pulpstar said:
Kasich could end up helping Trump hereTheWhiteRabbit said:
I agree. So much so, that I sent my agreement back into the pastto 4:03PM today, when I said:Pulpstar said:Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.
TheWhiteRabbit said:It's Cruz v 50% as far as anyone is concerned. Shame there isn't a market (?)
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http://www.papworthtrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/UK Disability facts and figures report 2014.pdfOmnium said:FPT
5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).rottenborough said:
Where is the fraud?Omnium said:
IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.chestnut said:There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.
There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)
There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.
If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.
Looking through that it's very clear why there are 12! million disabled in the UK.0 -
There seems to be a four year cycle:
2008 - Osborne's 'rabbit stuck in the headlights' response to recession allows Brown to remain Labour leader.
2012 - Osborne's 'omnishambles' Budget allows EdM to remain Labour leader.
2016 - Osborne's 'ultrashambles' Budget allows Corbyn to remain Labour leader.
Perhaps Osborne really is a 'master strategist'
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Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on or set the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.
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They are RogerRoger said:Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.
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Incidentally, I do not understand why the stop Trump brigade are focussing on squeezing every delegate out of Utah, when a defeat for Trump in Arizona would be far more damaging.0
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All we glean from that is he hands his opponents sticks with which to beat themselves. He's just lucky Labour hasn't elected someone who knows how to dish out the beatinganother_richard said:There seems to be a four year cycle:
2008 - Osborne's 'rabbit stuck in the headlights' response to recession allows Brown to remain Labour leader.
2012 - Osborne's 'omnishambles' Budget allows EdM to remain Labour leader.
2016 - Osborne's 'ultrashambles' Budget allows Corbyn to remain Labour leader.
Perhaps Osborne really is a 'master strategist'0 -
I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of usCasino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.
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There are well known strategies for getting attention. Take a leaf out of Kim Kardashian's playbookAlanbrooke said:
They are RogerRoger said:Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.
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Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.Charles said:
I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of usCasino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.
They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.
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Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
I can only think of one party leader in modern times who was more inept than Corbyn - Iain Duncan Smith
5:39 PM - 21 Mar 2016
Yes Mike, IDS was a poor leader for a major party, probably any party. However he has over the passing years, grown as a man. Something I doubt that Corbyn will ever do.0 -
That takes some cheek Roger, I'm not one of Kims knockers.Roger said:
There are well known strategies for getting attention. Take a leaf out of Kim Kardashian's playbookAlanbrooke said:
They are RogerRoger said:Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.
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Omnium said:
FPT
5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).rottenborough said:
Where is the fraud?Omnium said:
IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.chestnut said:There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.
There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)
There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.
If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.
Where is your evidence that they aren't disabled or aren't sick?0 -
Corbyn should try to get people fixated on the projection of his arse? To be honest it couldn't be any less effective than his current approach.Roger said:
There are well known strategies for getting attention. Take a leaf out of Kim Kardashian's playbookAlanbrooke said:
They are RogerRoger said:Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.
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Corbyn's problem is that he is really, really bad at politics. It's not something that he has ever done. He has never had to learn how to argue a case or to change minds. He has spent 35 years in a far left comfort zone, surrounded by people who think just as he does. Now he is out of that comfort zone he simply does not know what to do.Roger said:Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on or set the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.
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Because Trump is too far ahead to catch in Arizona.TheWhiteRabbit said:Incidentally, I do not understand why the stop Trump brigade are focussing on squeezing every delegate out of Utah, when a defeat for Trump in Arizona would be far more damaging.
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Hmm
It's not a Never Trump strategy Cruz needs to run in Utah. It's a Never Kasich one.0 -
Utah appears to be in Cruz's hands, but his supporters can't help feeling that somehow The Donald might perform a conjuring trick and turn Cruz support into dust.TheWhiteRabbit said:Incidentally, I do not understand why the stop Trump brigade are focussing on squeezing every delegate out of Utah, when a defeat for Trump in Arizona would be far more damaging.
Arizona is firmly in Trump's hands.0 -
another_richard said:
Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.
They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.
Only tiny offshoots of the Church practice polygamy since over 100 years ago but I get you wanted the punchline.
Also, if you think young Mormon women aren't hot.... I pity you0 -
TSE stealing my links....whatever next...0
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I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.
By a Tory MP.0 -
I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)another_richard said:
Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.Charles said:
I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of usCasino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.
They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.0 -
Sorry, I meant to hat tip you in the tweet. I'll fix that nowFrancisUrquhart said:TSE stealing my links....whatever next...
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It sounds like Trump doesn't just want to build a wall along the Mexican border, but basically just wall in the whole of the US.0
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Don't be a silly boy. According to 'ealth and Safety if you trip and twist your ankle you're disabled, at least temporarily. That statistics in the modern age, for you.Omnium said:FPT
5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).rottenborough said:
Where is the fraud?Omnium said:
IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.chestnut said:There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.
There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)
There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.
If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.0 -
Corbyn's response was pathetic as ever, but I don't really get why lefties should be in despair over that. At the end of the day, cuts have had to be abandoned by the Tories, and they're gradually being boxed into a position where further welfare cuts are impossible and they have to start actually cutting into rich pensioners' perks instead.
And frankly, I do think Corbyn is partly responsible for that -- he has moved the overall political debate to the left and has left the government with no margin for error if any of their own side speak out against government policies. That for me is preferable to Kendall/Umunna/Reeves etc. who would probably be posturing as "tough on welfare" and giving the Tories the political space to push on with cuts.0 -
Is it conceivable that Cruz could nick Missouri?0
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Joking. You really don't have to do that.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry, I meant to hat tip you in the tweet. I'll fix that nowFrancisUrquhart said:TSE stealing my links....whatever next...
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If Corbyn is replaced by a Tory MP is his name Tony ?TheScreamingEagles said:I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.
By a Tory MP.0 -
They will get to be married after death, is the short answerCharles said:
I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)another_richard said:
Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.Charles said:
I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of usCasino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.
They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.0 -
Already done. See above.FrancisUrquhart said:
Joking. You really don't have to do that.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sorry, I meant to hat tip you in the tweet. I'll fix that nowFrancisUrquhart said:TSE stealing my links....whatever next...
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The amazing issue today was that in responding to David Cameron's EU report Corbyn went into a mantra about accepting more migrants into the UK followed by Yvette Cooper, Tim Farron and the SNP. The left are simply out of touch with mainstream opinion on the migration crisis0
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No IDSAlanbrooke said:
If Corbyn is replaced by a Tory MP is his name Tony ?TheScreamingEagles said:I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.
By a Tory MP.0 -
LOLBig_G_NorthWales said:
No IDSAlanbrooke said:
If Corbyn is replaced by a Tory MP is his name Tony ?TheScreamingEagles said:I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.
By a Tory MP.0 -
It's called looking after your own country's interest first, patriotism Francis, something you aren't familiar with. US out of NATO, stop defending Japan, Korea, Israel. Common sense stuff that should have happened when the Cold War ended.FrancisUrquhart said:It sounds like Trump doesn't just want to build a wall along the Mexican border, but basically just wall in the whole of the US.
They went after Andrew Jackson's wife Rachel, like they are with Melania now, lack of class. Actually I think Trump is an even bigger iconoclast than Old Hickory was.0 -
Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.0
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Jeremy Corbyn + a presentable suit - the batshit foreign/defence policies = potential election winner.JosiasJessop said:
And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.rottenborough said:
Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.Richard_Nabavi said:Mike's tweet is brilliant!
Corbyn won't either.
In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.
The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...
Hell, we're seeing that even in the States with Bernie Sanders now (ahead of the Republican contenders in most polling).0 -
This will shake the livers of Mike, TSE and Roger, and many of PB's Remain supporters:
https://twitter.com/FT/status/7119907697757265920 -
Personally, I think the main effect of the last few days' events will be that Project Fear will be massively scaled down -- it would just be too inflammatory to Tory MPs for Cameron to carry on with the campaign strategy he's had so far. Which does help Leave, because Remain have little to fall back on if they're not scaring the bejesus out of everyone.MikeK said:This will shake the livers of Mike, TSE and Roger, and many of PB's Remain supporters:
https://twitter.com/FT/status/7119907697757265920 -
Farron has said that he intends to take positions that piss off the majority but appeal to 20% or so, because that is enough for a Lib Dem revival. (Sorry, don't have a link, but I have a clear memory of him saying that.)Big_G_NorthWales said:The amazing issue today was that in responding to David Cameron's EU report Corbyn went into a mantra about accepting more migrants into the UK followed by Yvette Cooper, Tim Farron and the SNP. The left are simply out of touch with mainstream opinion on the migration crisis
The SNP are agin the Tories, whatever.
For Labour it's more complicated. There is a large number of people - not a majority but a large number - who do want to take in more migrants who they see as refugees unfairly demonised by the right-wing press. They absolutely expect Labour to take that stand. But then there's the problem that Labour aspires to office so tries to win over floating voters with such things as the Controls on Immigration mug. Or rather Ed-Labour did. Clearly Jez-Labour won't.0 -
It will get scaled down because the main protagonists have opened another front without intending to. Now they are fighting two battles at once and political discipline is the more important.Danny565 said:
Personally, I think the main effect of the last few days' events will be that Project Fear will be massively scaled down -- it would just be too inflammatory to Tory MPs for Cameron to carry on with the campaign strategy he's had so far. Which does help Leave, because Remain have little to fall back on if they're not scaring the bejesus out of everyone.MikeK said:This will shake the livers of Mike, TSE and Roger, and many of PB's Remain supporters:
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There can be a combined funeral/marriage ceremony, where celestial sealing with an available male soul is achieved.Charles said:
I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)another_richard said:
Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.Charles said:
I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of usCasino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.
They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.0 -
So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?FrancisUrquhart said:Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.
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No, there isn't. There isn't a specific funeral ordinance in Mormonism, just the dedication of the grave.MonikerDiCanio said:
There can be a combined funeral/marriage ceremony, where celestial sealing with an available male soul is achieved.Charles said:
I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)another_richard said:
Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.Charles said:
I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of usCasino_Royale said:
That's supposed to turn people off Trump?Speedy said:The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:
https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504
They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.
They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.
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Carp!Charles said:
So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?FrancisUrquhart said:Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.
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Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...Charles said:
So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?FrancisUrquhart said:Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.
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This has been a disastrous episode for the Government. They have effectively conceded that they won't be trying to reduce spending from now on. In which case, what is the point of them? What fiscal policies do they stand for? Is there any fiscal programme that 99% of Tory MPs can bring themselves to vote for?Danny565 said:Corbyn's response was pathetic as ever, but I don't really get why lefties should be in despair over that. At the end of the day, cuts have had to be abandoned by the Tories, and they're gradually being boxed into a position where further welfare cuts are impossible and they have to start actually cutting into rich pensioners' perks instead.
And frankly, I do think Corbyn is partly responsible for that -- he has moved the overall political debate to the left and has left the government with no margin for error if any of their own side speak out against government policies. That for me is preferable to Kendall/Umunna/Reeves etc. who would probably be posturing as "tough on welfare" and giving the Tories the political space to push on with cuts.
I'm not really convinced that Corbyn has helped the left cause though. Sure, he has removed the "but the other side would cut too" argument. On the other hand his Labour Party doesn't look like a credible alternative government and so is not really able to cash in on this.0 -
I hardly see people on mobility scooters in London, but they were everywhere when I went to Nuneaton for a day.Pulpstar said:
Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...Charles said:
So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?FrancisUrquhart said:Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.
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@MikeK - Ardent Remainers think Leave will do it. Most firm Leavers think Remain is nailed on.
Of course, as usual, the Leavers are right ;-)0 -
Teenage preggers capital of Britain.old_labour said:
I hardly see people on mobility scooters in London, but they were everywhere when I went to Nuneaton for a day.Pulpstar said:
Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...Charles said:
So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?FrancisUrquhart said:Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.
Not much else to do in Nuneaton tbh.0 -
Lol OKCasino_Royale said:@MikeK - Ardent Remainers think Leave will do it. Most firm Leavers think Remain is nailed on.
Of course, as usual, the Leavers are right ;-) 0 -
Chuck Blazer?Pulpstar said:
Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...Charles said:
So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?FrancisUrquhart said:Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.
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