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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Today should have been a day for Jeremy Corbyn to shine and embarrass Cameron and the Government. He failed

"Behind every statistic is a human being. Perhaps sometimes in Gov we forget that." New DWP Secretary Stephen Crabb writes Osborne's epitaph

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    FPT: Mr. Indigo, it's like Hannibal and the Alps.

    "We will either find a way, or make one."

    The Establishment will feel smug and confident and then they'll soil their undergarments when Hannibal actually turns up and starts battering them. [NB the Establishment will eventually triumph, but it might be badly treated in the meantime].

    Mr. Eek, I'm not flabbergasted. Turkey being dodgy or the EU being incompetent and profligate is pretty much par for the course.

    FPT2: Mr. Eagles, Corbyn is like an anti-matter version of Grand Admiral Thrawn, Tywin Lannister and Hannibal rolled into one.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Mike's tweet is brilliant!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,863
    edited March 2016
    Corbyn's doing just fine. He's just following advice to not make waves, as when he tries to things go badly. Right?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump: try having a baby in Mexico and claiming you're a citizen. They'll laugh at you in your face...

    Trump: UK may leave EU. They're having a lot of problems...
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016
    Trump: could take 100 years to recover from 4 or 5 new (DEM) SCOTUS justices. I'm going to submit a list of 10 of my own justices, I would appoint...
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Lord Ashcroft✔‎@LordAshcroft

    In the House of Commons today facing Cameron the Opposition Leader with an open goal didn't just miss the net he missed the ball...

    Isn’t his Lordship a Cameroon lackey? :lol:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. StClare, Chairman Corbyn brings peace to his enemies, and discord to his friends.

    And some thought Ed Miliband was the best sleeper agent the Conservatives ever had.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Excellent from Mr Smithson on Corbyn & IDS
  • Apologies for the potty mouthed tweet in the thread header. But it needed to be said
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    There is a difference in the ease with which their parties' rules allow for the leader to be deposed.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Lord Ashcroft✔‎@LordAshcroft

    In the House of Commons today facing Cameron the Opposition Leader with an open goal didn't just miss the net he missed the ball...

    Jezza didn't miss the ball .... he was playing a different game in a different stadium with the same result - Jezza blew it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    Had IDS led the Tories in 2005 would he have done much worse than Michael Howard?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    tlg86 said:

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    Had IDS led the Tories in 2005 would he have done much worse than Michael Howard?
    Yes
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Wanderer said:

    tlg86 said:

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    Had IDS led the Tories in 2005 would he have done much worse than Michael Howard?
    Yes
    You're thinking what I'm thinking.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    kle4 said:

    Corbyn's doing just fine. He's just following advice to not make waves, as when he tries to things go badly. Right?

    Someone probably told him not to attack Osborne and let the Tories do the job instead.
    He probably followed it too literally.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited March 2016

    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!
    Lol, I posted he needed a shave at least four times over the weekend!

    Check my Saturday posts :-)
  • Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!
    I think I'm going to do a thread offering some fashion advice to Stephen Crabb.

    Remember I did a thread offering some fashion advice to Corbyn, he didn't listen and got into terrible trouble over it.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Speedy said:

    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.
    Iirc the "why not X" mentality is what got IDS elected in the first place.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Speedy said:

    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.
    Yes, but I read up on him and watched a few videos.

    He talks normal, communicates well and has an interesting backstory.

    If he has a shave, impresses in his new post and dries out a bit on the EU and immigration he could go far.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    If he's going to get respectable Tory ladies to vote for him to be leader, he's going to need a shave!
    I think I'm going to do a thread offering some fashion advice to Stephen Crabb.

    Remember I did a thread offering some fashion advice to Corbyn, he didn't listen and got into terrible trouble over it.
    It is amusing to see that Jeremy Corbyn appears to have taken David Cameron's mum's advice on sartorial matters. Anthem-singing: tbd.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.

    In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.

    The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.

    In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.

    The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...
    Well, there's the old adage that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Speedy said:

    Glad I got on Stephen Crabb at 33/1.

    Hilarious that less than 90 minutes after poo-pooing him at less than 50/1 IDS resigns and the next day Crabb takes his job, and everyone starts talking about him as a potential leader.

    New minister X as next Tory leader is pretty much a PB standard.
    Yes, but I read up on him and watched a few videos.

    He talks normal, communicates well and has an interesting backstory.

    If he has a shave, impresses in his new post and dries out a bit on the EU and immigration he could go far.
    He seems to be very well regarded by fellow Tory MPs, but of course it's early days. The DWP is a hell of a tough gig.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048
    FPT

    Omnium said:

    chestnut said:

    There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.

    There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)

    There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.

    IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.
    Where is the fraud?
    5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).

    If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    I've met Republicans who would be turned off by that. Well, turned off politically, er, you know what I mean.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.

    In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.

    The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...
    Well, there's the old adage that oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them.
    It's a old adage that in 2010 was a load of Jezza.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Is there a link to Corbyn's response? I'd like to see it. I saw a few bits of him rambling but I'd like to see the whole thing.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    Polygamous Mormon guys thinking... "Man, just one like that would be enough...."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567
    Omnium said:

    FPT

    Omnium said:

    chestnut said:

    There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.

    There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)

    There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.

    IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.
    Where is the fraud?
    5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).

    If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.
    How do you know?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    RodCrosby said:

    Trump: try having a baby in Mexico and claiming you're a citizen. They'll laugh at you in your face...

    Trump: UK may leave EU. They're having a lot of problems...

    Trump is in a far stronger position than Cruz over SCOTUS. Being completely powerless in reality can occasionally be politically useful. Trump's dream scenario is for Obama to actually APPOINT someone !
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited March 2016

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    snipped for space.

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    Polygamous Mormon guys thinking... "Man, just one like that would be enough...."
    There must be a picture out there of Hillary in the bath tub – but who wants to see that? :lol:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,938
    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    When it comes to November, this kind of ineptness could be Hillary's undoing amongst her supposed firewall of African-American voters. CNN did an interesting compilation of all the favourable references to Donald Trump in hip-hop music over the years. His name is synonymous with success and bling.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Pulpstar said:

    Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.

    I agree. So much so, that I sent my agreement back into the pastto 4:03PM today, when I said:

    It's Cruz v 50% as far as anyone is concerned. Shame there isn't a market (?)

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932
    I think this might be a contender for worst miss ever:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiVq5-u7MH0
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Pulpstar said:

    Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.

    I agree. So much so, that I sent my agreement back into the pastto 4:03PM today, when I said:

    It's Cruz v 50% as far as anyone is concerned. Shame there isn't a market (?)

    Kasich could end up helping Trump here :D
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Somewhat surprised that Remain has not drifted on Betfair over the last 3 days. Not saying it should necessarily.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Ted Cruz vs 50% in Utah tbh.

    I agree. So much so, that I sent my agreement back into the pastto 4:03PM today, when I said:

    It's Cruz v 50% as far as anyone is concerned. Shame there isn't a market (?)

    Kasich could end up helping Trump here :D
    Yes, or, put it another way, Rubio dropping out actually hindered Trump. But it's eyes on the prize, I guess.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Omnium said:

    FPT

    Omnium said:

    chestnut said:

    There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.

    There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)

    There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.

    IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.
    Where is the fraud?
    5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).

    If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.
    http://www.papworthtrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/UK Disability facts and figures report 2014.pdf

    Looking through that it's very clear why there are 12! million disabled in the UK.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932
    There seems to be a four year cycle:

    2008 - Osborne's 'rabbit stuck in the headlights' response to recession allows Brown to remain Labour leader.

    2012 - Osborne's 'omnishambles' Budget allows EdM to remain Labour leader.

    2016 - Osborne's 'ultrashambles' Budget allows Corbyn to remain Labour leader.

    Perhaps Osborne really is a 'master strategist' :smile:
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited March 2016
    Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on or set the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    Roger said:

    Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.

    They are Roger
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Incidentally, I do not understand why the stop Trump brigade are focussing on squeezing every delegate out of Utah, when a defeat for Trump in Arizona would be far more damaging.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    There seems to be a four year cycle:

    2008 - Osborne's 'rabbit stuck in the headlights' response to recession allows Brown to remain Labour leader.

    2012 - Osborne's 'omnishambles' Budget allows EdM to remain Labour leader.

    2016 - Osborne's 'ultrashambles' Budget allows Corbyn to remain Labour leader.

    Perhaps Osborne really is a 'master strategist' :smile:

    All we glean from that is he hands his opponents sticks with which to beat themselves. He's just lucky Labour hasn't elected someone who knows how to dish out the beating
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of us ;)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062

    Roger said:

    Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.

    They are Roger
    There are well known strategies for getting attention. Take a leaf out of Kim Kardashian's playbook
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,932
    Charles said:

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of us ;)
    Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.

    They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Mike Smithson ‎@MSmithsonPB
    I can only think of one party leader in modern times who was more inept than Corbyn - Iain Duncan Smith
    5:39 PM - 21 Mar 2016

    Yes Mike, IDS was a poor leader for a major party, probably any party. However he has over the passing years, grown as a man. Something I doubt that Corbyn will ever do.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.

    They are Roger
    There are well known strategies for getting attention. Take a leaf out of Kim Kardashian's playbook
    That takes some cheek Roger, I'm not one of Kims knockers.
  • pinkrosepinkrose Posts: 189
    Omnium said:

    FPT

    Omnium said:

    chestnut said:

    There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.

    There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)

    There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.

    IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.
    Where is the fraud?
    5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).

    If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.

    Where is your evidence that they aren't disabled or aren't sick?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.

    They are Roger
    There are well known strategies for getting attention. Take a leaf out of Kim Kardashian's playbook
    Corbyn should try to get people fixated on the projection of his arse? To be honest it couldn't be any less effective than his current approach.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790
    Roger said:

    Too much confusion between style and content. Corbyn's problem is nothing to do with style it's that he never seems to lead on or set the stories of the day. It makes him and Labour look irrelevant.

    Corbyn's problem is that he is really, really bad at politics. It's not something that he has ever done. He has never had to learn how to argue a case or to change minds. He has spent 35 years in a far left comfort zone, surrounded by people who think just as he does. Now he is out of that comfort zone he simply does not know what to do.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    Incidentally, I do not understand why the stop Trump brigade are focussing on squeezing every delegate out of Utah, when a defeat for Trump in Arizona would be far more damaging.

    Because Trump is too far ahead to catch in Arizona.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Hmm

    It's not a Never Trump strategy Cruz needs to run in Utah. It's a Never Kasich one.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Incidentally, I do not understand why the stop Trump brigade are focussing on squeezing every delegate out of Utah, when a defeat for Trump in Arizona would be far more damaging.

    Utah appears to be in Cruz's hands, but his supporters can't help feeling that somehow The Donald might perform a conjuring trick and turn Cruz support into dust.

    Arizona is firmly in Trump's hands.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486



    Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.

    They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.



    Only tiny offshoots of the Church practice polygamy since over 100 years ago but I get you wanted the punchline.

    Also, if you think young Mormon women aren't hot.... I pity you
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    MikeK said:



    Arizona is firmly in Trump's hands.

    Should hope so. I have 71 pence riding on that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    TSE stealing my links....whatever next...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    edited March 2016
    I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.

    By a Tory MP.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited March 2016

    Charles said:

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of us ;)
    Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.

    They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.

    I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)
  • TSE stealing my links....whatever next...

    Sorry, I meant to hat tip you in the tweet. I'll fix that now
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    It sounds like Trump doesn't just want to build a wall along the Mexican border, but basically just wall in the whole of the US.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Omnium said:

    FPT

    Omnium said:

    chestnut said:

    There are over five million recipients of non contributory disabled benefits such as Attendance Allowance, Personal Independence Payments or Disability Living Allowance.

    There are 2.5m recipients of Employment and Support Allowance. (sickness benefit)

    There are individual constituencies in the UK where the disability claimant rate is one in six working age adults, and regions or nations where it is one in ten.

    IDS should have been cutting all this crap. I quite like the man, but if he can happily preside over such widespread fraud then I've no interest in his views.
    Where is the fraud?
    5 million people aren't disabled, 2.5 million aren't sick (or at least not sufficiently that the state should be helping them).

    If there are 5 million 'disabled' then most 'disabled' people are fraudsters.
    Don't be a silly boy. According to 'ealth and Safety if you trip and twist your ankle you're disabled, at least temporarily. That statistics in the modern age, for you.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Corbyn's response was pathetic as ever, but I don't really get why lefties should be in despair over that. At the end of the day, cuts have had to be abandoned by the Tories, and they're gradually being boxed into a position where further welfare cuts are impossible and they have to start actually cutting into rich pensioners' perks instead.

    And frankly, I do think Corbyn is partly responsible for that -- he has moved the overall political debate to the left and has left the government with no margin for error if any of their own side speak out against government policies. That for me is preferable to Kendall/Umunna/Reeves etc. who would probably be posturing as "tough on welfare" and giving the Tories the political space to push on with cuts.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Is it conceivable that Cruz could nick Missouri?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Wanderer said:

    MikeK said:



    Arizona is firmly in Trump's hands.

    Should hope so. I have 71 pence riding on that.
    You shouldn't be so free with your money. ;)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Wanderer said:

    Is it conceivable that Cruz could nick Missouri?

    No imo.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    TSE stealing my links....whatever next...

    Sorry, I meant to hat tip you in the tweet. I'll fix that now
    Joking. You really don't have to do that.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    edited March 2016

    I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.

    By a Tory MP.

    If Corbyn is replaced by a Tory MP is his name Tony ?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of us ;)
    Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.

    They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.

    I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)
    They will get to be married after death, is the short answer
  • TSE stealing my links....whatever next...

    Sorry, I meant to hat tip you in the tweet. I'll fix that now
    Joking. You really don't have to do that.
    Already done. See above.
  • The amazing issue today was that in responding to David Cameron's EU report Corbyn went into a mantra about accepting more migrants into the UK followed by Yvette Cooper, Tim Farron and the SNP. The left are simply out of touch with mainstream opinion on the migration crisis
  • I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.

    By a Tory MP.

    If Corbyn is replaced by a Tory MP is his name Tony ?
    No IDS
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714

    I've just been told this thread is a disgrace, I'm being far too harsh on Corbyn and that I should delete this thread as it might lead Corbyn being replaced.

    By a Tory MP.

    If Corbyn is replaced by a Tory MP is his name Tony ?
    No IDS
    LOL
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467

    It sounds like Trump doesn't just want to build a wall along the Mexican border, but basically just wall in the whole of the US.

    It's called looking after your own country's interest first, patriotism Francis, something you aren't familiar with. US out of NATO, stop defending Japan, Korea, Israel. Common sense stuff that should have happened when the Cold War ended.

    They went after Andrew Jackson's wife Rachel, like they are with Melania now, lack of class. Actually I think Trump is an even bigger iconoclast than Old Hickory was.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Mike's tweet is brilliant!

    Note that IDS didn't make it to face the electorate in a GE.

    Corbyn won't either.
    And that should worry Conservatives. It's quite possible that Corbyn's successor will be more competent than him whilst still pursuing Corbynite policies.

    In my view, that's what Corbyn's trying to do. He's just the first act, and his job is to make it hard for a more moderate Labour figure to become leader.

    The only question is whether anyone could be brilliant enough to sell Corbynite policies to enough of the electorate to win a GE ...
    Jeremy Corbyn + a presentable suit - the batshit foreign/defence policies = potential election winner.

    Hell, we're seeing that even in the States with Bernie Sanders now (ahead of the Republican contenders in most polling).
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    This will shake the livers of Mike, TSE and Roger, and many of PB's Remain supporters:
    https://twitter.com/FT/status/711990769775726592
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    MikeK said:

    This will shake the livers of Mike, TSE and Roger, and many of PB's Remain supporters:
    https://twitter.com/FT/status/711990769775726592

    Personally, I think the main effect of the last few days' events will be that Project Fear will be massively scaled down -- it would just be too inflammatory to Tory MPs for Cameron to carry on with the campaign strategy he's had so far. Which does help Leave, because Remain have little to fall back on if they're not scaring the bejesus out of everyone.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    The amazing issue today was that in responding to David Cameron's EU report Corbyn went into a mantra about accepting more migrants into the UK followed by Yvette Cooper, Tim Farron and the SNP. The left are simply out of touch with mainstream opinion on the migration crisis

    Farron has said that he intends to take positions that piss off the majority but appeal to 20% or so, because that is enough for a Lib Dem revival. (Sorry, don't have a link, but I have a clear memory of him saying that.)

    The SNP are agin the Tories, whatever.

    For Labour it's more complicated. There is a large number of people - not a majority but a large number - who do want to take in more migrants who they see as refugees unfairly demonised by the right-wing press. They absolutely expect Labour to take that stand. But then there's the problem that Labour aspires to office so tries to win over floating voters with such things as the Controls on Immigration mug. Or rather Ed-Labour did. Clearly Jez-Labour won't.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Danny565 said:


    Jeremy Corbyn + a presentable suit - the batshit foreign/defence policies = potential election winner.

    That's what I keep trying to say but you have expressed it much more clearly.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    Danny565 said:

    MikeK said:

    This will shake the livers of Mike, TSE and Roger, and many of PB's Remain supporters:
    https://twitter.com/FT/status/711990769775726592

    Personally, I think the main effect of the last few days' events will be that Project Fear will be massively scaled down -- it would just be too inflammatory to Tory MPs for Cameron to carry on with the campaign strategy he's had so far. Which does help Leave, because Remain have little to fall back on if they're not scaring the bejesus out of everyone.
    It will get scaled down because the main protagonists have opened another front without intending to. Now they are fighting two battles at once and political discipline is the more important.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited March 2016
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of us ;)
    Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.

    They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.

    I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)
    There can be a combined funeral/marriage ceremony, where celestial sealing with an available male soul is achieved.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.

    So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    edited March 2016

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Speedy said:

    The NeverTrump's continue to prove how inept they are:

    https://twitter.com/mckaycoppins/status/711991597639061504

    They already burned $150 million supporting Jeb, $65 million supporting Rubio and 50 million attacking Trump for zero results, and are thinking of pitching Rick Perry and Tom Coburn as successful 3rd party candidates.

    That's supposed to turn people off Trump?
    I believe that Mormons don't think the same way as the rest of us ;)
    Mormons prefer quantity rather than quality when it comes to wives.

    They wont mind that Trump is multiple married but they wont like he's also multiple divorced.

    I always wondered, what happens to unmarried/divorced Mormon women? AIUI, married Mormon women get to join their husband on his planet after his death... is there a special plant for the Meliana Trumps of the world (assuming she gets divorced at some point)
    There can be a combined funeral/marriage ceremony, where celestial sealing with an available male soul is achieved.
    No, there isn't. There isn't a specific funeral ordinance in Mormonism, just the dedication of the grave.
    And you need an individual's name to seal them
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Charles said:

    Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.

    So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?
    Carp! :smiley:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Charles said:

    Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.

    So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?
    Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Danny565 said:

    Corbyn's response was pathetic as ever, but I don't really get why lefties should be in despair over that. At the end of the day, cuts have had to be abandoned by the Tories, and they're gradually being boxed into a position where further welfare cuts are impossible and they have to start actually cutting into rich pensioners' perks instead.

    And frankly, I do think Corbyn is partly responsible for that -- he has moved the overall political debate to the left and has left the government with no margin for error if any of their own side speak out against government policies. That for me is preferable to Kendall/Umunna/Reeves etc. who would probably be posturing as "tough on welfare" and giving the Tories the political space to push on with cuts.

    This has been a disastrous episode for the Government. They have effectively conceded that they won't be trying to reduce spending from now on. In which case, what is the point of them? What fiscal policies do they stand for? Is there any fiscal programme that 99% of Tory MPs can bring themselves to vote for?

    I'm not really convinced that Corbyn has helped the left cause though. Sure, he has removed the "but the other side would cut too" argument. On the other hand his Labour Party doesn't look like a credible alternative government and so is not really able to cash in on this.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Pulpstar said:

    Charles said:

    Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.

    So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?
    Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...
    I hardly see people on mobility scooters in London, but they were everywhere when I went to Nuneaton for a day.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    @MikeK - Ardent Remainers think Leave will do it. Most firm Leavers think Remain is nailed on.

    Of course, as usual, the Leavers are right ;-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Pulpstar said:

    Charles said:

    Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.

    So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?
    Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...
    I hardly see people on mobility scooters in London, but they were everywhere when I went to Nuneaton for a day.
    Teenage preggers capital of Britain.

    Not much else to do in Nuneaton tbh.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    @MikeK - Ardent Remainers think Leave will do it. Most firm Leavers think Remain is nailed on.

    Of course, as usual, the Leavers are right ;-)

    Lol OK :)
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Pulpstar said:

    Charles said:

    Point on "disabled"...It includes things like mental health conditions, learning difficulties etc. Not just tiny Tim on his crutch.

    So all those kids with dyslexia (AKA "thick rich kids") and ADHD ("normal kids with crap parents")?
    Add the fatties on mobility scooters to that lot...
    Chuck Blazer?
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