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He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
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Quite right. They look like a bunch of spivs and the government press office haven't even started yet!DavidL said:
No its not. The destruction of IDS will weaken Leave. He was stronger as a cabinet minister.TheScreamingEagles said:This thread is going to make me look like Nostradamus
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/21/meet-the-man-who-could-win-the-referendum-for-leave/0 -
Might it be the final solution to the IDS problem?DavidL said:
No its not. The destruction of IDS will weaken Leave. He was stronger as a cabinet minister.TheScreamingEagles said:This thread is going to make me look like Nostradamus
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/21/meet-the-man-who-could-win-the-referendum-for-leave/0 -
Tories - standing up for the strong against the weak since 1912.0
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Osborne thought he was being clever, and has completely foxtrotted up.Alistair said:
Given the immediate briefing that it was all the DWPs idea as soon as opposition to the pip cuts was voiced it could be a bit of both.rcs1000 said:
The way it works is that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury discusses/negotiates/imposes [delete as appropriate] each department's spending plans ahead of the budget. Therefore, one of two things happened: 1. Cameron and Osborne decided to f*ck IDS or 2. this is really all about the EU.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
Cameron won't be chillaxing tonight.0 -
i thought some PB Tories thought the budget was a masterstroke 48hrs ago.
Presumably Scott and Richard still supportive?0 -
Maybe some in Labour might start to believe that a change of leader gives them a real chance in 2020.0
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Maybe. I wouldn't be surprised if there's loads of times a cabinet minister grudgingly accepts the spending plans, and just waits to see if the public outcry is enough, and the wider political situation suitable enough, to start pushing back against something they didn't want but didn't want to quit over straight away.Alistair said:
Given the immediate briefing that it was all the DWPs idea as soon as opposition to the pip cuts was voiced it could be a bit of both.rcs1000 said:
The way it works is that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury discusses/negotiates/imposes [delete as appropriate] each department's spending plans ahead of the budget. Therefore, one of two things happened: 1. Cameron and Osborne decided to f*ck IDS or 2. this is really all about the EU.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
With his already being in opposition on the EU, and the outrage pretty high including among Tories, it was a good one to suddenly object to publicly and take a stand.0 -
I didn't see the budget (or comment on it). I was at Cheltenhambigjohnowls said:i thought some PB Tories thought the budget was a masterstroke 48hrs ago.
Presumably Scott and Richard still supportive?0 -
More likely there will be plenty arguing the budget, in actuality, is fine, but the presentation of its narrative has gone to hell. In fairness, the omnishambles budget probably wasn't as bad as the narrative made it seem.bigjohnowls said:i thought some PB Tories thought the budget was a masterstroke 48hrs ago.
Presumably Scott and Richard still supportive?0 -
It never ceases to amaze me how some Tories are in awe of Osborne despite his obvious inadequacies. The guy just can't learn from mistakes. The damage to him and Cameron is main story here no matter how bloodthirsty their revenge is.DavidL said:
Watch and learn.NorfolkTilIDie said:
I'm not sure the architect of Omnishambles budget and Omnishambles budget 2.0 is a great political operator.DavidL said:IDS is going to be so trashed for this. His position is absurd and he has taken on the 2 most effective political operators in UK politics since Mandelson and Blair were in their pomp. The one smart thing he has done is resign too late for tomorrow but the Sundays, they are going to be special.
Of course the government is going to be damaged. That is presumably why he has done it. But IDS, oh boy....0 -
But it's ante diem quintum decimum Kalendas Aprilis today!Sunil_Prasannan said:Beware the IDS of March
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Wow ..... did he really say that? ..... Talk about lighting the blue touch paper!RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
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My reading of the letter is that IDS is in favour of rationalising benefits including the PIP reductions, but not while also handing bungs to 40p taxpayers.
But yes it's really about the EUref and establishing a new right-wing leadership.0 -
The cuts to PIPs are not in the budget. In fact all that is in the budget is £1bn extra for PIPs. The changes in support for the disabled were announced before the budget and are the DWPs plan to implement the cuts in overall spending that the Treasury had requested.Alistair said:
Given the immediate briefing that it was all the DWPs idea as soon as opposition to the pip cuts was voiced it could be a bit of both.rcs1000 said:
The way it works is that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury discusses/negotiates/imposes [delete as appropriate] each department's spending plans ahead of the budget. Therefore, one of two things happened: 1. Cameron and Osborne decided to f*ck IDS or 2. this is really all about the EU.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
So what IDS is really saying is I can no longer support my own plan because there were some very modest tax cuts in the budget along with the cuts in spending. I mean, really? The guy claims to be a right winger?
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Only if the rats chewed a hole in the hull.OldKingCole said:IDS.......Rats and sinking ships come to mind.
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IDS4PIP
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Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 34s34 seconds ago
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What's IDS got to lose?DavidL said:
Watch and learn.NorfolkTilIDie said:
I'm not sure the architect of Omnishambles budget and Omnishambles budget 2.0 is a great political operator.DavidL said:IDS is going to be so trashed for this. His position is absurd and he has taken on the 2 most effective political operators in UK politics since Mandelson and Blair were in their pomp. The one smart thing he has done is resign too late for tomorrow but the Sundays, they are going to be special.
Of course the government is going to be damaged. That is presumably why he has done it. But IDS, oh boy....0 -
50p cut didn't save money. It just looked that way because people got their bonuses delayed because they knew change was happening.tlg86 said:
I consider myself to be right-wing and I want effective taxes. So I supported the cut to the 50p rate of tax because I genuinely believe that it would raise more money.Wanderer said:
I don't see that.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Not presentation - its a practical matter of whether they are being spent to protect the nation from a recession or they're to boost Osborne's standing with Tory base before leadership election.surbiton said:
So he had no problem with the cuts - just the presentation ?tlg86 said:
Because he wouldn't have known what else Osborne was planning. It's one thing making really horrible choices when you're told it's the only way. But to watch the Chancellor give away loads of money to the well off voters might have tipped him over the edge.Scott_P said:@ianbirrell: If IDS really believed the disability benefit cuts were indefensible, why did he only resign after the budget when others protested?
That is indeed the question
IDS is a Tory and a right-wing Tory to boot. He's in favour of lower taxes and lower public spending. That's fundamental stuff for him. Whatever else the Tory right wants, it wants low taxes.
Bottom line is that I believe that we do need to get rid of the deficit and Osborne's give away budget completely undermines any arguments about making public spending cuts.0 -
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So Duncan-Smith is calling David Freud a crook, right? Freud and the DWP civil servants.
What private interests are set to benefit from the latest anti-welfare "reforms"?
IDS didn't want the flak. The kleptocratic deal is so close to the edge and IDS would have been the first to be sacrificed, as a sop to prevent the cameras getting better focused on the scale of the corruption.
I don't believe IDS's move is part of a plan. It's going to be interesting to see what he does next, in the Commons or in the EU referendum "debate".
What price on Cameron to leave as PM before the referendum? Seriously.0 -
So in your view right winger means "lower tax for the rich funded by cuts to the disabled"? My view of right winger is fiscal conservative that genuinely believes that getting rid of deficit actually matters and isn't just an aspiration that can be discarded to help win the EU referendum.DavidL said:
The cuts to PIPs are not in the budget. In fact all that is in the budget is £1bn extra for PIPs. The changes in support for the disabled were announced before the budget and are the DWPs plan to implement the cuts in overall spending that the Treasury had requested.Alistair said:
Given the immediate briefing that it was all the DWPs idea as soon as opposition to the pip cuts was voiced it could be a bit of both.rcs1000 said:
The way it works is that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury discusses/negotiates/imposes [delete as appropriate] each department's spending plans ahead of the budget. Therefore, one of two things happened: 1. Cameron and Osborne decided to f*ck IDS or 2. this is really all about the EU.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
So what IDS is really saying is I can no longer support my own plan because there were some very modest tax cuts in the budget along with the cuts in spending. I mean, really? The guy claims to be a right winger?0 -
A few posters here, likely reckoned that the Treasury cat wearing a blue rosette could win for the Tories in 2020 but that doesn't seem to be the case tonight.SouthamObserver said:Maybe some in Labour might start to believe that a change of leader gives them a real chance in 2020.
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D'Ancona's next column will be fun (given he reports direct from the "inner sanctum" LOOOOOL!0
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This is a very sensitive period for the government, the PM and Chancellor are pushing policies that are unpopular with their party (Remain in EU) and unpopular with the country (budget).
There was a lot of infighting already over the EU and then the Budget came and added fuel to the fight.
Now it's not just a fight over the EU, but a fight to get rid of and replace the Chancellor.0 -
No. What he said is that he can just about accept cuts to pay down debt for national interest. But not to pay for upper income tax cuts.DavidL said:
The cuts to PIPs are not in the budget. In fact all that is in the budget is £1bn extra for PIPs. The changes in support for the disabled were announced before the budget and are the DWPs plan to implement the cuts in overall spending that the Treasury had requested.Alistair said:
Given the immediate briefing that it was all the DWPs idea as soon as opposition to the pip cuts was voiced it could be a bit of both.rcs1000 said:
The way it works is that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury discusses/negotiates/imposes [delete as appropriate] each department's spending plans ahead of the budget. Therefore, one of two things happened: 1. Cameron and Osborne decided to f*ck IDS or 2. this is really all about the EU.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
So what IDS is really saying is I can no longer support my own plan because there were some very modest tax cuts in the budget along with the cuts in spending. I mean, really? The guy claims to be a right winger?0 -
He will humiliate her and her preposterous ambition to be POTUS.peter_from_putney said:
Wow ..... did he really say that? ..... Talk about lighting the blue touch paper!RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708
And deservedly so.0 -
I would describe that as a Blairite approach (which is not an insult in my book, btw - if it is triggering for you I can only apologise).tlg86 said:
I consider myself to be right-wing and I want effective taxes. So I supported the cut to the 50p rate of tax because I genuinely believe that it would raise more money.Wanderer said:
I don't see that.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Not presentation - its a practical matter of whether they are being spent to protect the nation from a recession or they're to boost Osborne's standing with Tory base before leadership election.surbiton said:
So he had no problem with the cuts - just the presentation ?tlg86 said:
Because he wouldn't have known what else Osborne was planning. It's one thing making really horrible choices when you're told it's the only way. But to watch the Chancellor give away loads of money to the well off voters might have tipped him over the edge.Scott_P said:@ianbirrell: If IDS really believed the disability benefit cuts were indefensible, why did he only resign after the budget when others protested?
That is indeed the question
IDS is a Tory and a right-wing Tory to boot. He's in favour of lower taxes and lower public spending. That's fundamental stuff for him. Whatever else the Tory right wants, it wants low taxes.
Bottom line is that I believe that we do need to get rid of the deficit and Osborne's give away budget completely undermines any arguments about making public spending cuts.0 -
Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak 60m60 minutes ago
Last and absolute zinger of last line in IDS letter urges PM to look again at balance of cuts and ask 'if we are all in this together'0 -
Events, dear boy, events.
A kick in the balls of both Cameron and Osborne handling of the government.
Who'd have thunk it, that old IDS had the balls for this shows that change is in the air.0 -
Safe to say IDS had given Osborne and Cameron the PIP! 0
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The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
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So, how could Labour possibly screw this up..?
@bbclaurak: Corbyn says govt in 'disarray' and calls on Osborne to resign0 -
We have the govt of Osborne, with him walking over the rest of the cabinet, grabbing all announcements and not acting in a collegiate manner.NorfolkTilIDie said:
It never ceases to amaze me how some Tories are in awe of Osborne despite his obvious inadequacies. The guy just can't learn from mistakes. The damage to him and Cameron is main story here no matter how bloodthirsty their revenge is.DavidL said:
Watch and learn.NorfolkTilIDie said:
I'm not sure the architect of Omnishambles budget and Omnishambles budget 2.0 is a great political operator.DavidL said:IDS is going to be so trashed for this. His position is absurd and he has taken on the 2 most effective political operators in UK politics since Mandelson and Blair were in their pomp. The one smart thing he has done is resign too late for tomorrow but the Sundays, they are going to be special.
Of course the government is going to be damaged. That is presumably why he has done it. But IDS, oh boy....0 -
Going to be a lot of rehashing of Whitewater. Interestingly, Trump knows plenty about property deals himself....peter_from_putney said:
Wow ..... did he really say that? ..... Talk about lighting the blue touch paper!RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
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I'll take Blairite over Brownite/Osbornite any day of the week.Wanderer said:
I would describe that as a Blairite approach (which is not an insult in my book, btw - if it is triggering for you I can only apologise).tlg86 said:
I consider myself to be right-wing and I want effective taxes. So I supported the cut to the 50p rate of tax because I genuinely believe that it would raise more money.Wanderer said:
I don't see that.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Not presentation - its a practical matter of whether they are being spent to protect the nation from a recession or they're to boost Osborne's standing with Tory base before leadership election.surbiton said:
So he had no problem with the cuts - just the presentation ?tlg86 said:
Because he wouldn't have known what else Osborne was planning. It's one thing making really horrible choices when you're told it's the only way. But to watch the Chancellor give away loads of money to the well off voters might have tipped him over the edge.Scott_P said:@ianbirrell: If IDS really believed the disability benefit cuts were indefensible, why did he only resign after the budget when others protested?
That is indeed the question
IDS is a Tory and a right-wing Tory to boot. He's in favour of lower taxes and lower public spending. That's fundamental stuff for him. Whatever else the Tory right wants, it wants low taxes.
Bottom line is that I believe that we do need to get rid of the deficit and Osborne's give away budget completely undermines any arguments about making public spending cuts.0 -
Generally cats learn that when they do something that harms them, they shouldn't do exact same thing again!! Not Osborne!!watford30 said:
A few posters here, likely reckoned that the Treasury cat wearing a blue rosette could win for the Tories in 2020 but that doesn't seem to be the case tonight.SouthamObserver said:Maybe some in Labour might start to believe that a change of leader gives them a real chance in 2020.
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Some bod from Conservative Home will be on Sky News at 10.30 PM.0
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I'll say this - if Cameron does indeed last until 2019/2020 and Osborne does indeed succeed him, they truly will deserve the label of genius to overcome all this crap.0
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@hugorifkind: If IDS becomes leader again, the spectacle of him vs Corbyn could be just what the Liberal Democrats need.0
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LOLGIN1138 said:Safe to say IDS had given Osborne and Cameron the PIP!
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Well said. That's been bugging me as well.Chris_A said:
But it's ante diem quintum decimum Kalendas Aprilis today!Sunil_Prasannan said:Beware the IDS of March
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Yawn. Have you seen them recently?HYUFD said:
The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708
Both old and ill...
Trump's Alpha vitality will grind them to dust.0 -
You must be living in cloud cuckoo land. Leave gets stronger when it says "this is a bad government". Cabinet ministers backing Leave look two-faced. Johnson just about manages, but that's because he hasn't got a portfolio.DavidL said:
No its not. The destruction of IDS will weaken Leave. He was stronger as a cabinet minister.TheScreamingEagles said:This thread is going to make me look like Nostradamus
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/21/meet-the-man-who-could-win-the-referendum-for-leave/0 -
The old man is becoming a bit of a laughing stock himself. He also looks unwell.HYUFD said:
The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708-1 -
Who apart from Scott and Nabavi?bigjohnowls said:i thought some PB Tories thought the budget was a masterstroke 48hrs ago.
Presumably Scott and Richard still supportive?0 -
Well from that it looks like he'll play it just right. Call out the chaos, use it as an excuse for to say someone senior should resign, then sit back.Scott_P said:So, how could Labour possibly screw this up..?
@bbclaurak: Corbyn says govt in 'disarray' and calls on Osborne to resign0 -
I thought Trump was older than Clinton.RodCrosby said:
Yawn. Have you seen them recently?HYUFD said:
The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708
Both old and ill...
Trump's Alpha vitality will grind them to dust.
EDIT - over a year older- June 1946 to October 1947.0 -
Right.Scott_P said:
I didn't see the budget (or comment on it). I was at Cheltenhambigjohnowls said:i thought some PB Tories thought the budget was a masterstroke 48hrs ago.
Presumably Scott and Richard still supportive?
Hope you had lots of winners.
I reckon this was my best ever Cheltenham betting wise.0 -
I thought you triangulated elegantlytlg86 said:
I'll take Blairite over Brownite/Osbornite any day of the week.Wanderer said:
I would describe that as a Blairite approach (which is not an insult in my book, btw - if it is triggering for you I can only apologise).tlg86 said:
I consider myself to be right-wing and I want effective taxes. So I supported the cut to the 50p rate of tax because I genuinely believe that it would raise more money.Wanderer said:
I don't see that.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Not presentation - its a practical matter of whether they are being spent to protect the nation from a recession or they're to boost Osborne's standing with Tory base before leadership election.surbiton said:
So he had no problem with the cuts - just the presentation ?tlg86 said:
Because he wouldn't have known what else Osborne was planning. It's one thing making really horrible choices when you're told it's the only way. But to watch the Chancellor give away loads of money to the well off voters might have tipped him over the edge.Scott_P said:@ianbirrell: If IDS really believed the disability benefit cuts were indefensible, why did he only resign after the budget when others protested?
That is indeed the question
IDS is a Tory and a right-wing Tory to boot. He's in favour of lower taxes and lower public spending. That's fundamental stuff for him. Whatever else the Tory right wants, it wants low taxes.
Bottom line is that I believe that we do need to get rid of the deficit and Osborne's give away budget completely undermines any arguments about making public spending cuts.
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Trump has done plenty of work in Jersey City and Las Vegas, whicb are both mob controlled places. I am sure there are skeletons there.MarqueeMark said:
Going to be a lot of rehashing of Whitewater. Interestingly, Trump knows plenty about property deals himself....peter_from_putney said:
Wow ..... did he really say that? ..... Talk about lighting the blue touch paper!RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/7106260921141207080 -
So, those of you who praised the PIP cuts.
Are you now praising the u-turn?0 -
Where have all the Cameron fanboys gone? It has been awfully quiet.0
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I'd vote for Corbyn's Labour over Osborne's Tories... I think...Scott_P said:@hugorifkind: If IDS becomes leader again, the spectacle of him vs Corbyn could be just what the Liberal Democrats need.
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The EU referendum had nothing to do with the budget measures. Sure Osborne took the opportunity to point out that times were hard and that leaving the EU at the moment would be an appalling risk to take in an uncertain world but his budget reflected the non EU risks, what was necessary to keep the economy growing and what was his judgement of what could be done over the next 12 months without putting the economy into recession.tlg86 said:
So in your view right winger means "lower tax for the rich funded by cuts to the disabled"? My view of right winger is fiscal conservative that genuinely believes that getting rid of deficit actually matters and isn't just an aspiration that can be discarded to help win the EU referendum.DavidL said:
The cuts to PIPs are not in the budget. In fact all that is in the budget is £1bn extra for PIPs. The changes in support for the disabled were announced before the budget and are the DWPs plan to implement the cuts in overall spending that the Treasury had requested.Alistair said:
Given the immediate briefing that it was all the DWPs idea as soon as opposition to the pip cuts was voiced it could be a bit of both.rcs1000 said:
The way it works is that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury discusses/negotiates/imposes [delete as appropriate] each department's spending plans ahead of the budget. Therefore, one of two things happened: 1. Cameron and Osborne decided to f*ck IDS or 2. this is really all about the EU.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
So what IDS is really saying is I can no longer support my own plan because there were some very modest tax cuts in the budget along with the cuts in spending. I mean, really? The guy claims to be a right winger?
If the economy falls into recession because too much demand is taken out of it the deficit will rise again along with unemployment. Its seriously tricky but Osborne's judgement on the macroeconomic risks to date has been excellent. He may be wrong this time, who knows, but his record speaks for itself.0 -
He is. Both of them.ydoethur said:
I thought Trump was older than Clinton.RodCrosby said:
Yawn. Have you seen them recently?HYUFD said:
The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708
Both old and ill...
Trump's Alpha vitality will grind them to dust.
But has 10 to 15 years on them in youthfulness and energy...0 -
Clinton is rumoured to be quite ill.ydoethur said:
I thought Trump was older than Clinton.RodCrosby said:
Yawn. Have you seen them recently?HYUFD said:
The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708
Both old and ill...
Trump's Alpha vitality will grind them to dust.0 -
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According to the howls of anguish being reported from the bookies, everybody won at Cheltenham this week and had MIN won the opener, it would have been catastrophic for the layers.bigjohnowls said:
Right.
Hope you had lots of winners.
I reckon this was my best ever Cheltenham betting wise.
Annie Power, Sprinter Sacre, Thistlecrack and Don Cossack would have all been well supported and results like Limani and Vroum Vroum Nag are awful for on course and off course books.
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I wonder where Tim stands on Osborne Vs IDS? 0
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Wow! Just Wow! IDS gone. Osborne in deep, deep trouble.0
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Very sad news to see IDS leave the cabinet.0
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Game On!rottenborough said:Wow! Just Wow! IDS gone. Osborne in deep, deep trouble.
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And a good 60 years on them in mental maturity!!RodCrosby said:
He is. Both of them.ydoethur said:
I thought Trump was older than Clinton.RodCrosby said:
Yawn. Have you seen them recently?HYUFD said:
The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708
Both old and ill...
Trump's Alpha vitality will grind them to dust.
But has 10 to 15 years on them in youthfulness and energy...0 -
John McDonnell MP @johnmcdonnellMP 18s18 seconds ago
Ian Duncan Smith has done the honourable thing but Osbourne was the architect of this disgraceful attack on disabled people and must go.
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Well the tables have turned, so Corbyn might as well enjoy it.kle4 said:
Well from that it looks like he'll play it just right. Call out the chaos, use it as an excuse for to say someone senior should resign, then sit back.Scott_P said:So, how could Labour possibly screw this up..?
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IDS4PM - you know it's right!0
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I like how it says this has 'exposed' Osborne - granted, maybe this time it will be the end for him, but every single budget and financial statement that's probably the same wording that Labour use.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/710954142072758272
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Sprinter Sacre was probably fine for the bookies, there'll have been some yuuuuge punts on Un De Sceaux.stodge said:
According to the howls of anguish being reported from the bookies, everybody won at Cheltenham this week and had MIN won the opener, it would have been catastrophic for the layers.bigjohnowls said:
Right.
Hope you had lots of winners.
I reckon this was my best ever Cheltenham betting wise.
Annie Power, Sprinter Sacre, Thistlecrack and Don Cossack would have all been well supported and results like Limani and Vroum Vroum Nag are awful for on course and off course books.
Cue Card was well supported in the Gold Cup according to Laddies tweets.
Annie Power was drifting like a barge...
Thistlecrack, yes an obvious one that.
My three winners were SS, AP and Thistlecrack. Sprinter Sacre was biggest bet by far
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Wonder no more!GIN1138 said:I wonder where Tim stands on Osborne Vs IDS?
@BenChu_ Osbornes targets have been political stunts since 2010, everyone knows that.IDS is Referendum driven.
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A quick side question - who was the last former Party leader to subsequently resign from Cabinet ?
I can't think of a Party leader who, after leadership, served in a Cabinet and then resigned.
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What larks, PIP!GIN1138 said:Safe to say IDS had given Osborne and Cameron the PIP!
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In the week leading into the budget, the main bad pr was over the changes to disability payments. Osborne ignored it. He then twisted the OBR words to be anti LEAVE. Stupid, stupid man.0
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You'll get dizzy with all this spinning.DavidL said:
The cuts to PIPs are not in the budget. In fact all that is in the budget is £1bn extra for PIPs. The changes in support for the disabled were announced before the budget and are the DWPs plan to implement the cuts in overall spending that the Treasury had requested.Alistair said:
Given the immediate briefing that it was all the DWPs idea as soon as opposition to the pip cuts was voiced it could be a bit of both.rcs1000 said:
The way it works is that the Chief Secretary to the Treasury discusses/negotiates/imposes [delete as appropriate] each department's spending plans ahead of the budget. Therefore, one of two things happened: 1. Cameron and Osborne decided to f*ck IDS or 2. this is really all about the EU.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
So what IDS is really saying is I can no longer support my own plan because there were some very modest tax cuts in the budget along with the cuts in spending. I mean, really? The guy claims to be a right winger?0 -
Smart thing for Cameron to do would be to cut himself off from Osborne's failures. But he will likely drag down his own reputation further by siding with him.0
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Wonder no more!GIN1138 said:I wonder where Tim stands on Osborne Vs IDS?
@BenChu_ Osbornes targets have been political stunts since 2010, everyone knows that.IDS is Referendum driven.
— GOsborneGenius (@GOsborneGenius) March 18, 2016
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Still, not as bad as spelling incorrectly the name of their leader...bigjohnowls said:John McDonnell MP @johnmcdonnellMP 18s18 seconds ago
Ian Duncan Smith has done the honourable thing but Osbourne was the architect of this disgraceful attack on disabled people and must go.
Apparently Lab shadow doesnt even know GO's surname FFS
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Agreed. And soon perhaps Cameron too. Seriously, what price on Cameron leaving office before the referendum?rottenborough said:Wow! Just Wow! IDS gone. Osborne in deep, deep trouble.
In his resignation letter, IDS points the finger at David Freud. More on Freud's background. Freud's moniker when he was a City banker who "worked with" the government was "the Fraud squad". He's also CEO of the Portland Trust, which stresses the "role of economics" in the West Bank and Gaza, and was founded by British Zionist Ronald Cohen. Cohen's big thing is "social finance. Ker-ching!
It pains me, but I must give credit to IDS where it is due. He's acted late, but he's acted right.0 -
Neville Chamberlain I thinkstodge said:A quick side question - who was the last former Party leader to subsequently resign from Cabinet ?
I can't think of a Party leader who, after leadership, served in a Cabinet and then resigned.
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I'd like to see TSE's comment on IDS's resignation tonight. Where is he, surely not partying the evening away when his beloved party is crumbling?
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Other side to this is that any loyalty IDS would have had to govt must have been destroyed by the way Cameron slapped about Leave ministers on EU issues.0
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Cameron will stay now, I predict.GIN1138 said:
Game On!rottenborough said:Wow! Just Wow! IDS gone. Osborne in deep, deep trouble.
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When's the IDS Special Thread coming?0
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Clearly you are blind as you are stupid.MikeK said:I'd like to see TSE's comment on IDS's resignation tonight. Where is he, surely not partying the evening away when his beloved party is crumbling?
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Cameron and Osborne need to do the honourable thing and resign before they cause any more damage to the party. If Labour get their act together the majority could be lost.0
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Till 2019. This lot should have blown over by then.rottenborough said:
Cameron will stay now, I predict.GIN1138 said:
Game On!rottenborough said:Wow! Just Wow! IDS gone. Osborne in deep, deep trouble.
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@benedictbrogan: Devastating critique of IDS and his resignation reasoning from Charles Moore. Suggests IDS case not credible https://t.co/3EA9t1E2nZ0
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And Osborne goes?rottenborough said:
Cameron will stay now, I predict.GIN1138 said:
Game On!rottenborough said:Wow! Just Wow! IDS gone. Osborne in deep, deep trouble.
Has any Chancellor bungled so many budgets and survived? This weeks obvious 'giveaway' before the Referendum stinks more than a rotten Brie.0 -
O/T:
"Triple killer Joanne Dennehy was under the supervision of probation workers when she murdered three men, the BBC can reveal.
Dennehy, 33, from Peterborough, is serving life for the murders of three men in 2013.
A report highlights "deficiencies" by the probation service, but says there is "no evidence that these contributed directly" to the deaths."
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Shouting means nothing there are rumours on the internet Trump himself is ill and has four years to live at bestRodCrosby said:
He is. Both of them.ydoethur said:
I thought Trump was older than Clinton.RodCrosby said:
Yawn. Have you seen them recently?HYUFD said:
The Clintons are the most ruthless brand in western politics, they will give as good as they getRodCrosby said:
He's going to flatten Clinton - assuming she doesn't crack up, physically, mentally, or legally before a single vote is cast...murali_s said:
No he's not - he's a right-wing (if rather comedic) bigot and loon.RodCrosby said:
Guy's a genius.Wanderer said:
That's what I like about Trump. He's so nuanced.RodCrosby said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710626092114120708
Both old and ill...
Trump's Alpha vitality will grind them to dust.
But has 10 to 15 years on them in youthfulness and energy...0 -
David's just written one, I'm going to format it/etc and it should be up shortly.GIN1138 said:When's the IDS Special Thread coming?
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Cheltenham is ludicrously good value for punters these days. It used to be seen as a great opportunity to win some cash; now it's a willy-waving "acquisition" exercise. And when the favs all win, it's bloody.stodge said:
According to the howls of anguish being reported from the bookies, everybody won at Cheltenham this week and had MIN won the opener, it would have been catastrophic for the layers.bigjohnowls said:
Right.
Hope you had lots of winners.
I reckon this was my best ever Cheltenham betting wise.
Annie Power, Sprinter Sacre, Thistlecrack and Don Cossack would have all been well supported and results like Limani and Vroum Vroum Nag are awful for on course and off course books.0 -
If Dave wins the euref, he's going to castrate the right.
That man holds grudges.0 -
I'm not sure... The game ultimately is to get Cameron. Take out Osborne and Cameron is as good as finished...rottenborough said:
Cameron will stay now, I predict.GIN1138 said:
Game On!rottenborough said:Wow! Just Wow! IDS gone. Osborne in deep, deep trouble.
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