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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.
    Don't forget Crabb:

    http://capx.co/meet-stephen-crabb-the-next-tory-leader/

    Last time i looked BF didn't even have him on the board.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2016
    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Threatening people via the internet? Duly noted, Tyson.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited March 2016
    Danny565 said:

    Zac provides London Labour with their next campaign poster:

    https://twitter.com/ZacGoldsmith/status/710054732526718977

    Someone needs to create an Odd Osborne Twitter account like the Odd Miliband one. He looks so awkward when interacting with other people.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz 3m3 minutes ago

    Ted Cruz Retweeted Mitt Romney

    Thank you, Governor!

    Ted Cruz added,
    Mitt Romney @MittRomney
    This week, in the Utah nominating caucus, I will vote for Senator Ted Cruz. https://www.facebook.com/mittromney/posts/10153370698696121
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Ted Cruz has become part of the GOP establishment.

    Game over. Trump has won.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567
    Pulpstar said:

    Mitt Romney has just chucked his lot 100% behind Ted Cruz.

    But only in Utah? Just wants a contested conv. Maybe he dreams of a recall to the front line?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.
    Don't forget Crabb:

    http://capx.co/meet-stephen-crabb-the-next-tory-leader/

    Last time i looked BF didn't even have him on the board.
    He is way too short.

    He also has the handicap of being solid for Remain.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    Pulpstar said:

    Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz 3m3 minutes ago

    Ted Cruz Retweeted Mitt Romney

    Thank you, Governor!

    Ted Cruz added,
    Mitt Romney @MittRomney
    This week, in the Utah nominating caucus, I will vote for Senator Ted Cruz. https://www.facebook.com/mittromney/posts/10153370698696121

    Shit. That's a serious kiss of death.

    Romney must secretly back Trump.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,567

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.
    Don't forget Crabb:

    http://capx.co/meet-stephen-crabb-the-next-tory-leader/

    Last time i looked BF didn't even have him on the board.
    He is way too short.

    He also has the handicap of being solid for Remain.
    Short? Where?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Well, that didn't take long
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    Speedy said:

    Germany's Nick Clegg has died:

    https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/710857108686835712

    I bit early though to write the obituary for the english version of a useless liberal leader who messed up.

    RIP he led the FDP to a record high in 2009 before their later collapse and was an able Foreign Minister and the first openly gay leader of a German party. He died of Cancer
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Pulpstar said:

    Mitt Romney has just chucked his lot 100% behind Ted Cruz.

    But only in Utah? Just wants a contested conv. Maybe he dreams of a recall to the front line?
    No. Anything other than a Cruz or (far more likely) Trump betslip is for the bin at this point.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    edited March 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz 3m3 minutes ago

    Ted Cruz Retweeted Mitt Romney

    Thank you, Governor!

    Ted Cruz added,
    Mitt Romney @MittRomney
    This week, in the Utah nominating caucus, I will vote for Senator Ted Cruz. https://www.facebook.com/mittromney/posts/10153370698696121

    Shit. That's a serious kiss of death.

    Romney must secretly back Trump.
    Not in Utah.


    "This week, in the Utah nominating caucus, I will vote for Senator Ted Cruz.

    Today, there is a contest between Trumpism and Republicanism. Through the calculated statements of its leader, Trumpism has become associated with racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, vulgarity and, most recently, threats and violence. I am repulsed by each and every one of these.

    The only path that remains to nominate a Republican rather than Mr. Trump is to have an open convention. At this stage, the only way we can reach an open convention is for Senator Cruz to be successful in as many of the remaining nominating elections as possible.

    I like Governor John Kasich. I have campaigned with him. He has a solid record as governor. I would have voted for him in Ohio. But a vote for Governor Kasich in future contests makes it extremely likely that Trumpism would prevail.

    I will vote for Senator Cruz and I encourage others to do so as well, so that we can have an open convention and nominate a Republican."

    Looks like Mitt is leaving the door open for a draft at the convention.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.
    Don't forget Crabb:

    http://capx.co/meet-stephen-crabb-the-next-tory-leader/

    Last time i looked BF didn't even have him on the board.
    He is way too short.

    He also has the handicap of being solid for Remain.
    Short? Where?
    BF have him at around 28 (very small money available) and oddschecker shows odds available for him for next tory leader varying from 25/1 to 33/1.

    Seriously, I wouldn't back him short of 50/1. Possibly not below 100/1.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Never underestimate the ability of the wallydom to offend gratuitously. Fortunately it's normally a rare commodity on PB and even those we disagree with are able to empathize at moments of personal loss. It's part of what makes PB so special in such forums.

    Chin up old chap and cherish the great memories you have.

    Jack.

  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited March 2016

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.
    Don't forget Crabb:

    http://capx.co/meet-stephen-crabb-the-next-tory-leader/

    Last time i looked BF didn't even have him on the board.
    Crabb is right at the bottom of the Betfair Next Con Leader list of runners and riders.
    Currently at 28.0

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    I didn't see this when you posted it, tyson.

    My deepest sympathies.

    I am truly sorry for your loss.

    Best wishes, Casino.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Watford- I still cannot for the life of me comprehend how you thought it was OK to try and score points with me when I disclosed something as personal as I did in a moment of weakness. Either you are sick, vile, unpleasant, disgusting, perverted, inadequate, pathetic, stupid, psychotic,..or probably more than likely a combination of these. And the same with your sidekick Mortimer.
    watford30 said:

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Threatening people via the internet? Duly noted, Tyson.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Ted Cruz ‏@tedcruz 3m3 minutes ago

    Ted Cruz Retweeted Mitt Romney

    Thank you, Governor!

    Ted Cruz added,
    Mitt Romney @MittRomney
    This week, in the Utah nominating caucus, I will vote for Senator Ted Cruz. https://www.facebook.com/mittromney/posts/10153370698696121

    It's worse, he says do not vote for Kasich or you get Trump:

    https://twitter.com/davegarlandusa/status/710918383965876224

    Say bye bye to Kasich's hopes in getting the establishment vote.

    So the good news is that Trump won't face a 2 front war, the bad news is that he still has to face Ted Cruz in some western states.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,070
    Evening all :)

    Well, the London Mayoral contest seems to have flickered into life this week. Here in East Ham, Mrs Stodge and I have been in receipt of two mailshots from Goldsmith and a mailshot and a newspaper from Khan. Fairly predictable stuff to be honest from both sides with each saying the other would be a disaster for London.

    All I saw of the Budget was ten minutes of Corbyn's response in my lunch hour on Tuesday and to be honest it wasn't too bad. Yes, no one was listening very much on the Labour benches but it's the toughest part of the LOTO role in the Commons and Corbyn did fairly well and made a couple of decent quips among the rhetoric.

    A superb piece in last night's Standard by Anthony Hilton:

    http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/anthony-hilton-the-economy-can-only-pick-up-if-we-become-a-smarter-workforce-a3205771.html

    Once again, for all the euphoria over unemployment or more accurately employment, the facts on productivity paint a much more troubling picture. It's easier for organisations to hire people who can be quickly hired and fired than to invest in capital spending or to improve business processes.

    In past "booms", the lack of capacity, especially in London and the South, fuelled wage inflation as companies competed for workers. In the new environment, there is a seemingly inexhaustible supply of workers willing to earn not very much and do the menial tasks. The problem with that is it disincentivises investment in technology and other areas which encourage people to work smarter rather than harder.

    We are, to quote Hilton, "running faster and faster to stand still".
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Many thanks Casino- that is really appreciated.

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    I didn't see this when you posted it, tyson.

    My deepest sympathies.

    I am truly sorry for your loss.

    Best wishes, Casino.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    edited March 2016
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Some pillock on PB has just stated we have more traffic road deaths than religious nutter assassinations of innocent people in the UK..So that's alright then..WTF..

    Not going somewhere because you worry about being killed by terrorists is fundamentally dumb. Which is the point he was making.
    LOL having lived in UIlster through the 70s I rejected the hermit life and just went to the pub.
    I will always remember the incredible mental disjunct of walking out of a Belfast nightclub in the mid 80s (a club which was very entertaining, full of hot girls, slightly punchy men, overpriced shite lager, stupid disco music) into a street full of laconic and Geordie British army soldiers, heavily armed with submachine guns, deploying to avert a perceived terror threat.

    It was like stepping in a second from a British Britain into a surreal, civil war Lebanon.

    I hope and pray it never returns. It was interesting but also deeply sad and pointless.
    before we got married Mrs B visited my family's house for the first time in the early 1980s. We lived about 500 yards from Army GCHQ in Lisburn. She awoke on her first morning to the sound of a helicopter going over the house and rifle fire ( practice range ) and wondered what the hell shed just walked in to, We didn't notice anything.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National - MorningConsult :

    Clinton 49 .. Sanders 40
    Trump 43 .. Cruz 27 .. Kasich 14
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Threats, eh? People have been banned on here for less.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    Planned changes to disability benefits will be "kicked into the long grass", according to a government source.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35847611
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    TOPPING said:

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Was it Rod Crosby who made the funny joke about Jews not being able to buy Trump?
    No, you muppet.

    It was Trump, who told them to their faces...

    “You're not gonna support me because I don't want your money. You want to control your politicians.”
    http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/.premium-1.709220
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,390
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Some pillock on PB has just stated we have more traffic road deaths than religious nutter assassinations of innocent people in the UK..So that's alright then..WTF..

    Not going somewhere because you worry about being killed by terrorists is fundamentally dumb. Which is the point he was making.
    LOL having lived in UIlster through the 70s I rejected the hermit life and just went to the pub.
    I will always remember the incredible mental disjunct of walking out of a Belfast nightclub in the mid 80s (a club which was very entertaining, full of hot girls, slightly punchy men, overpriced shite lager, stupid disco music) into a street full of laconic and Geordie British army soldiers, heavily armed with submachine guns, deploying to avert a perceived terror threat.

    It was like stepping in a second from a British Britain into a surreal, civil war Lebanon.

    I hope and pray it never returns. It was interesting but also deeply sad and pointless.
    Was it the gayish one in the Europa? I managed to get crashingly drunk there at around about the same time.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    I can understand how we get caught on different political divides. Belief and ideology can lead us into different domains. But, I cannot figure out what makes people genuinely unpleasant.
    GeoffM said:

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Threats, eh? People have been banned on here for less.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tyson said:

    Many thanks Casino- that is really appreciated.

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    I didn't see this when you posted it, tyson.

    My deepest sympathies.

    I am truly sorry for your loss.

    Best wishes, Casino.
    I too am deeply sympathetic to your loss.

    The last year I have lost a lot of friends, family and co-workers. One of my dearest school friends, a couple of medical school friends, two of our nurses, the suicide of a colleague and two uncles. It has been a pretty crap year for premature deaths. Nothing compares to the loss of a parent though. Enjoy them while you can, they are not around forever, even when they have been part of your life forever. I have another funeral next week.

    Best wishes tyson, and remember the good times.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    surbiton said:

    Roger said:

    I wonder if anyone sees the Tories as a single party anymore?

    We've waited years for them to commit hara-kiri and amazingly it isn't an anti-climax

    Yes I do. So long as the referendum result is respected then an open and honest debate now won't be the end of the world.

    The best way to have the result respected is for the result to be irreversible and incontrovertible. So vote Leave to amputate this cancerous sore from our body politic.
    Does that also mean the Leavers will accept Remaining forever if that is the result ?
    No it doesn't, I'm saying precisely the opposite. Leavers won't accept Remain as an answer ultimately, just like the SNP won't accept No as an answer. However once we've left Remain isn't an option anymore. So Leave is the only permanent answer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Roger said:

    EPG said:

    Is it just me or have the PB Labour started to appear after a long blue desert?

    It's like the Muscovites coming out of their homes to discover that Napoleon has retreated
    ...and their city has burnt to the ground.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,736
    edited March 2016

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    surbiton said:

    Roger said:

    I wonder if anyone sees the Tories as a single party anymore?

    We've waited years for them to commit hara-kiri and amazingly it isn't an anti-climax

    Yes I do. So long as the referendum result is respected then an open and honest debate now won't be the end of the world.

    The best way to have the result respected is for the result to be irreversible and incontrovertible. So vote Leave to amputate this cancerous sore from our body politic.
    Does that also mean the Leavers will accept Remaining forever if that is the result ?
    No it doesn't, I'm saying precisely the opposite. Leavers won't accept Remain as an answer ultimately, just like the SNP won't accept No as an answer. However once we've left Remain isn't an option anymore. So Leave is the only permanent answer.
    Re-joining is not only possible, it is probable - though may be decades away. In the meantime if we Leave then I will agitate for as close a relationship as possible.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alexmassie: George Osborne is the most over-rated politician in Britain. https://t.co/w1GzRzjiP8 https://t.co/sg9ab9dldh
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    edited March 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @alexmassie: George Osborne is the most over-rated politician in Britain. https://t.co/w1GzRzjiP8 https://t.co/sg9ab9dldh

    that's a little unfair to Alex Salmond.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
    I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.
  • Some pillock on PB has just stated we have more traffic road deaths than religious nutter assassinations of innocent people in the UK..So that's alright then..WTF..

    This particular argument is quite often used ..... by the politically correct lefties.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    Well the Romney endorsement will certainly push Cruz over 50 in Utah, and will give the customary 7% of the establishment vote to Cruz in other states.

    But it also means that now Trump will win every state in the N.East with ease, since Romney's warning not to vote for Kasich will play to Trump's hands in those states.
    Trump will reach safe ground after April 19th.

    Arizona and Wisconsin are the only 2 states that are essentially competitive from now till then.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    that's a little unfair to Alex Salmond.

    Alex Salmond is only rated by Alex Salmond
  • tyson said:

    I can understand how we get caught on different political divides. Belief and ideology can lead us into different domains. But, I cannot figure out what makes people genuinely unpleasant.

    GeoffM said:

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Threats, eh? People have been banned on here for less.
    Tyson, I feel your pain. It can happen on here.
    A few years ago I posted on here about the cancer treatment that a friend of mine had received.
    One very well known poster (thankfully no longer on here), and one of his acolytes were very quick to pick on the fact that my friend had not been able to make one appointment, and therefore that it was all the patients fault.
    Sorry for your loss mate.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    tyson said:

    I can understand how we get caught on different political divides. Belief and ideology can lead us into different domains. But, I cannot figure out what makes people genuinely unpleasant.

    GeoffM said:

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    Threats, eh? People have been banned on here for less.
    Whilst everyone is surely sympathetic to you and your family for your loss I am sure that even some of those directly affected by her death would have been horrified and offended by the way you used it to make a cheap political point.
    Anyway, enough.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    surbiton said:

    Roger said:

    I wonder if anyone sees the Tories as a single party anymore?

    We've waited years for them to commit hara-kiri and amazingly it isn't an anti-climax

    Yes I do. So long as the referendum result is respected then an open and honest debate now won't be the end of the world.

    The best way to have the result respected is for the result to be irreversible and incontrovertible. So vote Leave to amputate this cancerous sore from our body politic.
    Does that also mean the Leavers will accept Remaining forever if that is the result ?
    No it doesn't, I'm saying precisely the opposite. Leavers won't accept Remain as an answer ultimately, just like the SNP won't accept No as an answer. However once we've left Remain isn't an option anymore. So Leave is the only permanent answer.
    Re-joining is not only possible, it is probable - though may be decades away. In the meantime if we Leave then I will agitate for as close a relationship as possible.

    No way is it probable. We wouldn't want it, they wouldn't want a hokey cokey either. Why would we rejoin? It'd be like Canada joining the USA now.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
    I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.
    T can remember back in the 1980s when the Thatcher government were pushing Neglect sorry Care in The Community for mentally ill people . I used to catch a bus to work and at the same time a number of mentally ill were picked up daily at the same stop to take them to Roffey hospital . Roffey was closed but several months later these people still turned up every day to wait for a coach that never came .
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Jeepers Fox- if I'd known all around you were falling by the wayside, I'd have thought twice about you being around last year for that Broxtowe get together.

    Seriously though Fox, thanks for your sympathies.

    tyson said:

    Many thanks Casino- that is really appreciated.

    tyson said:

    Love the pun, but that said, Rod Crosby gave me the most human of responses the other night when I had a bit of a pbCOM meltdown responding to some of the really vile, horrible creatures that inhabit these parts.

    Not mentioning any names of course, but Watford, or Mortimer- I wouldn't like to be either of them- I have a long memory......... It's not wise to hide behind the anonymity here thinking you can troll people in grief.



    JackW said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sky News: "explosions have been heard in Molenbeek".

    Dynamite the whole friggin' place.
    You seem to have a short fuse ....
    I didn't see this when you posted it, tyson.

    My deepest sympathies.

    I am truly sorry for your loss.

    Best wishes, Casino.
    I too am deeply sympathetic to your loss.

    The last year I have lost a lot of friends, family and co-workers. One of my dearest school friends, a couple of medical school friends, two of our nurses, the suicide of a colleague and two uncles. It has been a pretty crap year for premature deaths. Nothing compares to the loss of a parent though. Enjoy them while you can, they are not around forever, even when they have been part of your life forever. I have another funeral next week.

    Best wishes tyson, and remember the good times.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    surbiton said:

    Roger said:

    I wonder if anyone sees the Tories as a single party anymore?

    We've waited years for them to commit hara-kiri and amazingly it isn't an anti-climax

    Yes I do. So long as the referendum result is respected then an open and honest debate now won't be the end of the world.

    The best way to have the result respected is for the result to be irreversible and incontrovertible. So vote Leave to amputate this cancerous sore from our body politic.
    Does that also mean the Leavers will accept Remaining forever if that is the result ?
    No it doesn't, I'm saying precisely the opposite. Leavers won't accept Remain as an answer ultimately, just like the SNP won't accept No as an answer. However once we've left Remain isn't an option anymore. So Leave is the only permanent answer.
    Re-joining is not only possible, it is probable - though may be decades away. In the meantime if we Leave then I will agitate for as close a relationship as possible.

    LEAVE will hopefully be the first step in the complete collapse of the EU.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    "Wheelchair Tax" - another emotive lefty phrase which totally misleads. Cheap politics, cheap journalism.

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
    I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.
    T can remember back in the 1980s when the Thatcher government were pushing Neglect sorry Care in The Community for mentally ill people . I used to catch a bus to work and at the same time a number of mentally ill were picked up daily at the same stop to take them to Roffey hospital . Roffey was closed but several months later these people still turned up every day to wait for a coach that never came .
    Are you sure you weren't one of them?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: Iain Duncan Smith resigns
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
    I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.
    T can remember back in the 1980s when the Thatcher government were pushing Neglect sorry Care in The Community for mentally ill people . I used to catch a bus to work and at the same time a number of mentally ill were picked up daily at the same stop to take them to Roffey hospital . Roffey was closed but several months later these people still turned up every day to wait for a coach that never came .
    Are you sure you weren't one of them?
    That's uncalled for.
  • Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: Iain Duncan Smith resigns

    He is being blamed for the PIP fiasco and was time to go
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    edited March 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: Iain Duncan Smith resigns

    I feel an incoming premonition about the potential reactions...
    perdix said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    "Wheelchair Tax" - another emotive lefty phrase which totally misleads. Cheap politics, cheap journalism.

    If you say so - effective politics though, at least in making something seem worse than it is, as the Bedroom tax proved.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: Iain Duncan Smith resigns

    Sounds like there has been a bit ding dong. The quiet man turning up the volume and all that.

    I wonder what this will mean for Universal Credit? Despite the disastrous IT and Osborne mucking about, the core idea is correct.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: IDS resignation letter https://t.co/0ZpfH6H6Iw

    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: IDS says the disability cuts are not defensible in a Budget which rewards higher earners
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: Iain Duncan Smith resigns

    I feel an incoming premonition about the potential reactions...
    perdix said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    "Wheelchair Tax" - another emotive lefty phrase which totally misleads. Cheap politics, cheap journalism.

    If you say so - effective politics though, at least in making something seem worse than it is, as the Bedroom tax proved.
    Other than unlike the bedroom tax, calling it "wheelchair" tax is deeply offensive to many with disabilities. It is like claiming that all those of with "traveller" heritage live in caravans.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Jump or pushed. IDS out.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    #Fallingapart
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    adios IDS!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
    I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.
    T can remember back in the 1980s when the Thatcher government were pushing Neglect sorry Care in The Community for mentally ill people . I used to catch a bus to work and at the same time a number of mentally ill were picked up daily at the same stop to take them to Roffey hospital . Roffey was closed but several months later these people still turned up every day to wait for a coach that never came .
    As a medical student, I seriously considered several careers including psychiatry. One thing that put me off was what I saw of "care in the community", and I do recognise what you saw.

    It was not wrong to end the wharehousing of the chronically mental ill in the old institutions. What was wrong was the shunting of institutionalised people out into a world where neither the personel nor the physical accommodation to look after them was in place. In the eighties the streets of London had plenty of wanderers from the old institutions, for a few years. They disappeared fairly quickly over the years.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
    I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.
    T can remember back in the 1980s when the Thatcher government were pushing Neglect sorry Care in The Community for mentally ill people . I used to catch a bus to work and at the same time a number of mentally ill were picked up daily at the same stop to take them to Roffey hospital . Roffey was closed but several months later these people still turned up every day to wait for a coach that never came .
    Are you sure you weren't one of them?
    No but from your postings you were
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    If we only had a credible opposition around....

    The Tories are in absolute free fall. But who benefits? Brexit maybe? Not Corbyn or Farron obviously. I dunno.

    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: Iain Duncan Smith resigns

    Well Osborne has to blame somebody...
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: IDS resignation letter https://t.co/0ZpfH6H6Iw

    @chrisshipitv: BREAKING: IDS says the disability cuts are not defensible in a Budget which rewards higher earners

    Leave go for Osborne/Cameron.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Noo Fred Shorely ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited March 2016
    IDS Resigns. As predicted by Surbiton a couple of hours ago here in PB.

    Osborne is a coward and true to form ran away with his tail between his legs. It used to be Fanny boy and Chloe Smith who had to endure the media.

    Now it is all IDS' fault despite the fact that the cuts were in the red book.

    Coward !
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.

    I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:

    Dominic Raab 33/1
    Penny Mordaunt 50/1
    Andrea Leadsom 33/1
    Johnny Mercer 100/1

    Great guys, all of them.

    I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
    Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".
    I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.

    He is leadership material.

    Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
    Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.

    We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.
    Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefits
    I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.
    T can remember back in the 1980s when the Thatcher government were pushing Neglect sorry Care in The Community for mentally ill people . I used to catch a bus to work and at the same time a number of mentally ill were picked up daily at the same stop to take them to Roffey hospital . Roffey was closed but several months later these people still turned up every day to wait for a coach that never came .
    Are you sure you weren't one of them?
    That's uncalled for.
    Not really. Mark Senior has sworn at me on PB a good few times.
    I'll continue to poke him back randomly.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    So "centrist" Cameron and Osborne have gone too far to the Right for IDS.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    IDS: I am unable to watch passively whilst certain politics are enacted in order to meet the fiscal self imposed restraints that I believe are more and more perceived as distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest.

    Well, if Tory cabinet ministers don't care about cutting to erase the deficit (despite saying the PM should be proud of the work on deficit reduction), I think that's a pretty clear sign it won't be erased by 2020. Ending on the 'all in this together' line straight out of the opposition playbook feels like a twist of the knife too, but that's probably unavoidable in a resignation letter.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Noo Fred Shorely ?

    David Herdson and I are spitting tacks, IDS has ruined our weekend threads.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,390

    In the eighties the streets of London had plenty of wanderers from the old institutions, for a few years. They disappeared fairly quickly over the years.

    Good, ol' Darwinism..
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Quite a sign off at the end of the letter...

    "I hope as the government goes forward you can look again, however, at the balance of the cuts you have insisted upon and wonder if enough has been done to ensure 'we are all in this together'."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    Any chance this makes my IDS redux as leader line more likely? Surely not, but still.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2016
    Danny565 said:

    So "centrist" Cameron and Osborne have gone too far to the Right for IDS.

    That's the funniest bit - IDS's spin is quite bonkers.

    What's the real story?

    Perhaps IDS has concluded the SS Cameron is sinking and doesn't want to go down with it.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Proud of IDS.

    Heard him talk about social justice at the Union about 10 years ago. He was passionate; clearly cared more about it than leadership or Winning at any cost.

    Osborne is done for. Cameron's position is looking iffy too.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    IDS falls on his sword. Blue on Blue goes up a notch.

    I cannot say that I am sorry.

    By the way AQ was excellent tonight, with an unusually intelligent panel not talking over each other. I always thought Chuka an empty suit, but he is now growing on me. Catch it tommorow.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    I always thought Chuka an empty suit, but he is now growing on me.

    Have you ever met him in person?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    surbiton said:

    IDS Resigns. As predicted by Surbiton a couple of hours ago here in PB.

    Osborne is a coward and true to form ran away with his tail between his legs. It used to be Fanny boy and Chloe Smith who had to endure the media.

    Now it is all IDS' fault despite the fact that the cuts were in the red book.

    Coward !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqsT4xnKZPg&list=RDgqsT4xnKZPg#t=23
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    kle4 said:

    IDS: I am unable to watch passively whilst certain politics are enacted in order to meet the fiscal self imposed restraints that I believe are more and more perceived as distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest.

    Well, if Tory cabinet ministers don't care about cutting to erase the deficit (despite saying the PM should be proud of the work on deficit reduction), I think that's a pretty clear sign it won't be erased by 2020. Ending on the 'all in this together' line straight out of the opposition playbook feels like a twist of the knife too, but that's probably unavoidable in a resignation letter.

    I think the point IDS makes is that it is hard to justify these cuts when he's reducing taxes for the better off. That, I would have thought, is quite an obvious criticism to make.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    I thought the disability stuff was going to be reversed anyway? In which case he could have remained, so to speak, I presume, but with the flare up over the EU probably not a bad time to clear off or be cleared out in any case even if things were to be reversed.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Mortimer said:

    Proud of IDS.

    Heard him talk about social justice at the Union about 10 years ago. He was passionate; clearly cared more about it than leadership or Winning at any cost.

    Osborne is done for. Cameron's position is looking iffy too.

    by Union do you mean Oxford Union?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    How much are Cameron and Osborne spending on the EU and Overseas Aid - whilst pushing cuts to the disabled?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Do you find Steve Bell actually funny? Always just found him insulting and devoid of humour myself...

    Matt is a cut above.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I always thought Chuka an empty suit, but he is now growing on me.

    Have you ever met him in person?
    No.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    IDS: I am unable to watch passively whilst certain politics are enacted in order to meet the fiscal self imposed restraints that I believe are more and more perceived as distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest.

    Well, if Tory cabinet ministers don't care about cutting to erase the deficit (despite saying the PM should be proud of the work on deficit reduction), I think that's a pretty clear sign it won't be erased by 2020. Ending on the 'all in this together' line straight out of the opposition playbook feels like a twist of the knife too, but that's probably unavoidable in a resignation letter.

    I think the point IDS makes is that it is hard to justify these cuts when he's reducing taxes for the better off. That, I would have thought, is quite an obvious criticism to make.
    Well sure, but it's an obvious criticism because it has already been made for years, it's just that suddenly IDS agrees. We all have lines we won't cross I guess.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    So, here is a vacancy for Boris ;)
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    tlg86 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Proud of IDS.

    Heard him talk about social justice at the Union about 10 years ago. He was passionate; clearly cared more about it than leadership or Winning at any cost.

    Osborne is done for. Cameron's position is looking iffy too.

    by Union do you mean Oxford Union?
    I do.

    Otherwise I would have said 'the other place Union', or 'Hull Union'

    :-)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,896
    Mortimer said:

    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Do you find Steve Bell actually funny? Always just found him insulting and devoid of humour myself...

    Matt is a cut above.
    Amen to that. From a Guardian reader.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    I always thought Chuka an empty suit, but he is now growing on me.

    Have you ever met him in person?
    No.
    He does a fantastic job of living up to your initial thoughts.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    IDS: I am unable to watch passively whilst certain politics are enacted in order to meet the fiscal self imposed restraints that I believe are more and more perceived as distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest.

    Well, if Tory cabinet ministers don't care about cutting to erase the deficit (despite saying the PM should be proud of the work on deficit reduction), I think that's a pretty clear sign it won't be erased by 2020. Ending on the 'all in this together' line straight out of the opposition playbook feels like a twist of the knife too, but that's probably unavoidable in a resignation letter.

    I think the point IDS makes is that it is hard to justify these cuts when he's reducing taxes for the better off. That, I would have thought, is quite an obvious criticism to make.
    Well sure, but it's an obvious criticism because it has already been made for years, it's just that suddenly IDS agrees. We all have lines we won't cross I guess.
    This is about the referendum
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @euanmccolm: one louder.
  • Mortimer said:

    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Do you find Steve Bell actually funny? Always just found him insulting and devoid of humour myself...

    Matt is a cut above.
    Amen to that. From a Guardian reader.
    I've been viewing Matt's cartoons for close to 25 years, to this day, I can't tell his political allegiance.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Good news for Leave if Duncan Smith dishes the dirt on Cameron and Osborne.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    Wanderer said:

    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    IDS: I am unable to watch passively whilst certain politics are enacted in order to meet the fiscal self imposed restraints that I believe are more and more perceived as distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest.

    Well, if Tory cabinet ministers don't care about cutting to erase the deficit (despite saying the PM should be proud of the work on deficit reduction), I think that's a pretty clear sign it won't be erased by 2020. Ending on the 'all in this together' line straight out of the opposition playbook feels like a twist of the knife too, but that's probably unavoidable in a resignation letter.

    I think the point IDS makes is that it is hard to justify these cuts when he's reducing taxes for the better off. That, I would have thought, is quite an obvious criticism to make.
    Well sure, but it's an obvious criticism because it has already been made for years, it's just that suddenly IDS agrees. We all have lines we won't cross I guess.
    This is about the referendum
    Most things are. I've no reason to doubt his sincerity on not liking these specific cuts at this specific time, but it is surely the case that without the fact he is in essence already in open opposition to the PM on an extremely major issue presumably had an impact on determining whether it was an issue worth grumbling about or resigning over.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Mortimer said:

    tlg86 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Proud of IDS.

    Heard him talk about social justice at the Union about 10 years ago. He was passionate; clearly cared more about it than leadership or Winning at any cost.

    Osborne is done for. Cameron's position is looking iffy too.

    by Union do you mean Oxford Union?
    I do.

    Otherwise I would have said 'the other place Union', or 'Hull Union'

    :-)
    I was there too, and I agree he was very passionate about it.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Mortimer said:

    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Toms said:

    I look forward to what Steve Bell &/or Matt will make of IDS's resignation.

    Do you find Steve Bell actually funny? Always just found him insulting and devoid of humour myself...

    Matt is a cut above.
    I don't think I ever grew up. As a lefty cynic, I sometimes find Bell's stuff over the top grotesquely amusing. Matt is almost mathematically efficient when he hits the funny bone's sweet spot. I do love that.
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