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@davieclegg: So has IDS finally found a conscience or is this really about Europe?0
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LOL...Putting Boris in charge of reforming the labyrinthian benefits system...you would be safer putting him charge of a double decker bus of attractive single ladies heading for a weekend away.Wanderer said:So, here is a vacancy for Boris
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Not convinced by the Tory claims their internal battle will be civil? For shame.old_labour said:Good news for Leave if Duncan Smith dishes the dirt on Cameron and Osborne.
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He's supported many other cuts before now and this one was on the point of being abandoned.kle4 said:
Most things are. I've no reason to doubt his sincerity on not liking these specific cuts at this specific time, but it is surely the case that without the fact he is in essence already in open opposition to the PM on an extremely major issue presumably had an impact on determining whether it was an issue worth grumbling about or resigning over.Wanderer said:
This is about the referendumkle4 said:
Well sure, but it's an obvious criticism because it has already been made for years, it's just that suddenly IDS agrees. We all have lines we won't cross I guess.tlg86 said:
I think the point IDS makes is that it is hard to justify these cuts when he's reducing taxes for the better off. That, I would have thought, is quite an obvious criticism to make.kle4 said:IDS: I am unable to watch passively whilst certain politics are enacted in order to meet the fiscal self imposed restraints that I believe are more and more perceived as distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest.
Well, if Tory cabinet ministers don't care about cutting to erase the deficit (despite saying the PM should be proud of the work on deficit reduction), I think that's a pretty clear sign it won't be erased by 2020. Ending on the 'all in this together' line straight out of the opposition playbook feels like a twist of the knife too, but that's probably unavoidable in a resignation letter.0 -
Following Rod's link - In response, the Canadian health ministry has cautioned against overstating Canada’s role in the opioid crisis in the United States, where drug overdoses have surpassed motor vehicles and firearms as the No. 1 cause of accidental death. - I had no idea - I wonder what the stats are for this country.0
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IDS turns it up to 11.
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Small world eh? Made me proud to be a Tory.tlg86 said:
I was there too, and I agree he was very passionate about it.Mortimer said:
I do.tlg86 said:
by Union do you mean Oxford Union?Mortimer said:Proud of IDS.
Heard him talk about social justice at the Union about 10 years ago. He was passionate; clearly cared more about it than leadership or Winning at any cost.
Osborne is done for. Cameron's position is looking iffy too.
Otherwise I would have said 'the other place Union', or 'Hull Union'
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IDS-£4bn of planned cuts to Personal Independence Payments, expected to affect 640,000 people.
Mr Duncan Smith said the cuts were "not defensible" within a Budget that "benefits higher earning taxpayers".0 -
Well, quite...
@Alison_McGovern: If the Sec of State for Work & Pensions didn't agree the cuts to help for people with disabilities, how did they get in the red book?0 -
Of course, there's always the IDS for next leader bandwagon. After all, he has experience of the job and knows what's needed.0
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I feel desperately sorry for IDS because he genuinely believes in welfare reform and always said this would be his last job in government.
If the conservatives lose their reputation for economic confidence, then they are in real trouble.
I have repeatedly emailed No 10 over the years about their inability to foresee these blunders. They have nobody on the bridge looking out for these icebergs, they just keep sailing into them.
I'm so angry with the lot of them right now and that includes those ill-disciplined back benchers who are constantly on the air-waves.0 -
Call me a cynic, but my first thought is that it's the latter. I'd have to read his resignation letter and see what he says in interviews before I'm sure, though.Scott_P said:@davieclegg: So has IDS finally found a conscience or is this really about Europe?
It's a shame. IDS was doing reasonably well in that position. He'd been in it long enough ...0 -
Alanbrooke /Scott P
Let us see. Over a year since he left office and you pair of Tories are still frightened of Salmond.
Took the SNP from no-where to dominate Scottish politics, the SNP into a majority Government in a PR system and then Scotland to the brink of independence.
Not bad and certainly not over-rated.0 -
Good job this calmly argued European referendum is not causing any internal problems for the Conservatives.0
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The Tories continue to eat themselves. Osborne is done for now, surely.0
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Exactly how ? Did he know that it will be in the budget or not ?bigjohnowls said:IDS-£4bn of planned cuts to Personal Independence Payments, expected to affect 640,000 people.
Mr Duncan Smith said the cuts were "not defensible" within a Budget that "benefits higher earning taxpayers".0 -
Latest Tory cuts in benefts for people living with disabilities are a "compromise too far" says IDS as he resigns. Incredible0
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He would have known the details for his own department; he wouldn't have known the overall details of the Budget until the morning cabinet on the day it was delivered.surbiton said:
Exactly how ? Did he know that it will be in the budget or not ?bigjohnowls said:IDS-£4bn of planned cuts to Personal Independence Payments, expected to affect 640,000 people.
Mr Duncan Smith said the cuts were "not defensible" within a Budget that "benefits higher earning taxpayers".0 -
Perhaps he intended the cuts to be matched by other matters of retrenchment.bigjohnowls said:IDS-£4bn of planned cuts to Personal Independence Payments, expected to affect 640,000 people.
Mr Duncan Smith said the cuts were "not defensible" within a Budget that "benefits higher earning taxpayers".
IDS always struck me as genuine in his desire to refocus the welfare state, but also totally incompetent at implementing reform.0 -
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Wasn't it being briefed that the disability cuts were his idea? In the swirl of a Tory civil war it is hard to know what is fact and what is fiction.kle4 said:I thought the disability stuff was going to be reversed anyway? In which case he could have remained, so to speak, I presume, but with the flare up over the EU probably not a bad time to clear off or be cleared out in any case even if things were to be reversed.
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And the leadership.Wanderer said:
This is about the referendumkle4 said:
Well sure, but it's an obvious criticism because it has already been made for years, it's just that suddenly IDS agrees. We all have lines we won't cross I guess.tlg86 said:
I think the point IDS makes is that it is hard to justify these cuts when he's reducing taxes for the better off. That, I would have thought, is quite an obvious criticism to make.kle4 said:IDS: I am unable to watch passively whilst certain politics are enacted in order to meet the fiscal self imposed restraints that I believe are more and more perceived as distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest.
Well, if Tory cabinet ministers don't care about cutting to erase the deficit (despite saying the PM should be proud of the work on deficit reduction), I think that's a pretty clear sign it won't be erased by 2020. Ending on the 'all in this together' line straight out of the opposition playbook feels like a twist of the knife too, but that's probably unavoidable in a resignation letter.0 -
If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...0
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Yes, he knows he's not needed.Wanderer said:Of course, there's always the IDS for next leader bandwagon. After all, he has experience of the job and knows what's needed.
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Yes, I went to the Union regularly during the first 18 months of my time there and they had some really interesting speakers of which IDS was certainly one. But they had problems attracting speakers after the stuff with Nick Griffin and some holocaust denier being invited to a free speech debate which was a shame.Mortimer said:
Small world eh? Made me proud to be a Tory.tlg86 said:
I was there too, and I agree he was very passionate about it.Mortimer said:
I do.tlg86 said:
by Union do you mean Oxford Union?Mortimer said:Proud of IDS.
Heard him talk about social justice at the Union about 10 years ago. He was passionate; clearly cared more about it than leadership or Winning at any cost.
Osborne is done for. Cameron's position is looking iffy too.
Otherwise I would have said 'the other place Union', or 'Hull Union'
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That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.0 -
I just don't buy it. I don't generally subscribe to conspiracy theories but it really wouldn't surprise me if they've deliberately made IDS's position untenable by giving him some really bad cuts to implement.LadyBucket said:They have nobody on the bridge looking out for these icebergs, they just keep sailing into them.
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Scott_P said:
If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
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Did anyone have IDS as next one out of the cabinet?
I missed this one.0 -
God that's good.Theuniondivvie said:Beware the IDS of March.
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I feel this thread needs some SeanT style over-reaction.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.
This is the End. The absolute end for the snivelling morale coward Cameron and his lick spittle toady number two Osborne. Their Europhillic obsession has destroyed the Tory party for a generation and seven score more.
Their lasting legacy will be a Corbyn led Britain.
The cretins, the fools.0 -
And so the smearing begins in earnest.Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
It's like the good old days under Blair and Brown.0 -
You just have to love Scott already on here trying to protect the top two of the Tory party - lol0
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Err, yes, that's how it worksMarkHopkins said:So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
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If Leave wins IDS will presumably be back in the cabinet by Christmas. If so, the words in his resignation letter may come back to haunt him.0
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Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy!tlg86 said:
God that's good.Theuniondivvie said:Beware the IDS of March.
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The idea that this is all going to be peaced out after the referendum died tonight (if it wasn't already dead).AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.0 -
This is a proper gamechanger. The Gove bet looks better and better.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.0 -
@annemcelvoy: A simmering row between George and IDS boils over. Not just Europe. Each thinks the other totally incompetent.0
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Err, this is the Labour line...Tykejohnno said:You just have to love Scott already on here trying to protect the top two of the Tory party - lol
@ChukaUmunna: IDS resigning has everything to do with the EU and nothing to do with welfare - why wait this long after causing misery to so many to resign0 -
I love politics. Budget was morally reprehensible. By Thursday morning Tory MPs were telling the media the disability cuts weren't on. Thursday afternoon the Treasury put it about that IDS did it. Thursday night Morgan says the budget document is a consultation. Friday morning and "oh no it isnt" say the Treasury. And now IDS jumps blaming the Treasury.
This is all about Osborne. His budget was all about his succession, as with Brown his own Hubris made him think his lies were truth until the IFS laughed at his numbers. Now he's off to blame others for his indefensible attack on the disabled and they're not taking the blame like they're supposed to.
IDS will pin this firmly on oik, it's all him, he's a tyrant disconnected from real people. You can't trust these RemaIN people they're all scum.
What odds on President Trump, PM Johnson and President Le Pen?0 -
Haha. Very true.SouthamObserver said:If Leave wins IDS will presumably be back in the cabinet by Christmas. If so, the words in his resignation letter may come back to haunt him.
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You had me until the second last paragraph, but that was ridiculous.Alistair said:
I feel this thread needs some SeanT style over-reaction.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.
This is the End. The absolute end for the snivelling morale coward Cameron and his lick spittle toady number two Osborne. Their Europhillic obsession has destroyed the Tory party for a generation and seven score more.
Their lasting legacy will be a Corbyn led Britain.
The cretins, the fools.
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£4bn is a large some of money. Surely it was mentioned in the morning Cabinet meeting, at the very least. In any case, I cannot believe the Secretary of the Work and Pensions did not know about it beforehand.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?0 -
Needs more swears.Alistair said:
I feel this thread needs some SeanT style over-reaction.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.
This is the End. The absolute end for the snivelling morale coward Cameron and his lick spittle toady number two Osborne. Their Europhillic obsession has destroyed the Tory party for a generation and seven score more.
Their lasting legacy will be a Corbyn led Britain.
The cretins, the fools.0 -
And unusually, they are both right.Scott_P said:@annemcelvoy: A simmering row between George and IDS boils over. Not just Europe. Each thinks the other totally incompetent.
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@FraserNelson: Why Iain Duncan Smith resigned - my blog: https://t.co/9J0mR3ECVV0
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You beat me to it...foxinsoxuk said:
And unusually, they are both right.Scott_P said:@annemcelvoy: A simmering row between George and IDS boils over. Not just Europe. Each thinks the other totally incompetent.
When was the last time these two were both right about something? The impact that meteor would have on the dinosaurs?0 -
My friend in the CDU always held him in very high regard.HYUFD said:
RIP he led the FDP to a record high in 2009 before their later collapse and was an able Foreign Minister and the first openly gay leader of a German party. He died of CancerSpeedy said:Germany's Nick Clegg has died:
https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/710857108686835712
I bit early though to write the obituary for the english version of a useless liberal leader who messed up.
(As an aside, the FDP is nothing like the LibDems - except in poll shares. The FDP is business friendly, libertarian party.)0 -
Iain Duncan Smith's cabinet career under David Cameron is over. David Cameron doesn't forgive in the first place and he will still be seething about this on his deathbed.SouthamObserver said:If Leave wins IDS will presumably be back in the cabinet by Christmas. If so, the words in his resignation letter may come back to haunt him.
Iain Duncan Smith will know that. So if he retains cabinet ambitions, he's going to be joining the plotters.0 -
If that has come from you, you're a very clever so and so.
Wasn't IDS one of the original Major's bastards? Bloody heckers like, IDS is a bigger bastard than I could have ever have imagined.
The Tories relationship to Europe is akin to crystal meth. They are addicted to it, and it sends them completely bonkers.Theuniondivvie said:Beware the IDS of March.
(ht @Kennyf1283)0 -
Yes indeed. This is already getting messy - just on here we've seen the conspiracy theory that the cuts were proposed to force IDS out on one end, to that he doesn't care, he must have known, it's just about Europe.surbiton said:
£4bn is a large some of money. Surely it was mentioned in the morning Cabinet meeting, at the very least. In any case, I cannot believe the Secretary of the Work and Pensions did not know about it beforehand.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
Will it be a bloodletting that lasts for years? Hard to say of course, but unless it's a massive win for Leave or a massive win for Remain (with Tory voters a lot less split than seems the case) it's hard to see how one side will be overwhelming enough to win it quickly.0 -
This resignation has EU referendum written all over it. Osborne and Cameron have been kippered, so to speak.surbiton said:
£4bn is a large some of money. Surely it was mentioned in the morning Cabinet meeting, at the very least. In any case, I cannot believe the Secretary of the Work and Pensions did not know about it beforehand.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
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The benefit of having an ex leader in a position to be able to resign is that he knows when to cause the most damage.Tissue_Price said:
This is a proper gamechanger. The Gove bet looks better and better.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.
If this has been done right, and is about the leadership, there will be another resignation tomorrow.
May, if she feels up for the fight? Gove?0 -
I shall have a very disturbed night.RochdalePioneers said:I love politics. Budget was morally reprehensible. By Thursday morning Tory MPs were telling the media the disability cuts weren't on. Thursday afternoon the Treasury put it about that IDS did it. Thursday night Morgan says the budget document is a consultation. Friday morning and "oh no it isnt" say the Treasury. And now IDS jumps blaming the Treasury.
This is all about Osborne. His budget was all about his succession, as with Brown his own Hubris made him think his lies were truth until the IFS laughed at his numbers. Now he's off to blame others for his indefensible attack on the disabled and they're not taking the blame like they're supposed to.
IDS will pin this firmly on oik, it's all him, he's a tyrant disconnected from real people. You can't trust these RemaIN people they're all scum.
What odds on President Trump, PM Johnson and President Le Pen?0 -
Bet GO is longing for a mere Omnishambles budget0
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#GoodjobtheGOPispayingfortheosbornebetslip0
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In practical terms you need funding to do that and the IDS resignation makes an Osborne u-turn now inevitable, though as a Leave backer it is not completely surprising and will give him more freedom to campaign against the EUCasino_Royale said:
I support a basic safety net, but otherwise the solution is to help disabled people into work and support them with a strong family and local community net, the Big Society, not the state.HYUFD said:
Well that is your personal view but these benefits are focused on helping the disabled complete everyday tasks independently and it would be political suicide to end them with the vast majority of voters backing the benefitsCasino_Royale said:
Not this one. Nor did I oppose the tax credit cuts.HYUFD said:Casino_Royale said:
I don't agree with all of his views, but he isn't afraid to put himself out on a limb, and go against the grain, and he definitely has the X-factor.Danny565 said:
Johnny Mercer is one of the Tory MPs leading the charge against the "Wheelchair Tax".Casino_Royale said:
I just bet on a spread of Tory longshots:Pulpstar said:Useless Osborne U-turns again. I'd set light to the betslip right now if it wasn't a digital one.
Dominic Raab 33/1
Penny Mordaunt 50/1
Andrea Leadsom 33/1
Johnny Mercer 100/1
Great guys, all of them.
I think Osborne and Boris are awful value right now.
He is leadership material.
Even 59% of Tory voters opposed the disability benefit cuts in the post Budget yougov and just 13% of voters as a whole, there will be a rebellion by Tory backbenchers and as with tax credits Osborne will have to u-turn
We spend too much money on social support and benefits in this country and, as DavidL said the other day, it distorts the economy.0 -
So the government infighting has now spilled into the public.0
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I have little doubt but this is Europe that is driving IDS. Osborne using the OBR for the remain case in the budget speech probably infuriated IDS and being an outer would not want Osborne to continue in no 11 post 23rd June. He has been party to all the previous cuts and to make a clear political statement in his resignation speech is his way of finishing Osborne's leadership bid. I do believe Osborne will be moved post 23rd June and that he will not become PM but nor will Boris. At least it is not long to the summer holidays after the referendum and the Autumn should provide a new dawn with a new cabinet and nearly 4 years to the next election. I am pleased the referendum is going to be soon and demonstrates why David Cameron was right not to wait till late 2017.SouthamObserver said:The Tories continue to eat themselves. Osborne is done for now, surely.
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Perhaps he was sick of Osborne threatening people their career was over if they didn't support Remain.JosiasJessop said:
Call me a cynic, but my first thought is that it's the latter. I'd have to read his resignation letter and see what he says in interviews before I'm sure, though.Scott_P said:@davieclegg: So has IDS finally found a conscience or is this really about Europe?
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Haven't we have leaks that IDS was very close to jumping overboard on a number of previous occasions after having bust up with Osborne.0
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Unexpected, but making perfect sense in retrospect. The most annoying sort of development for a political punter. See also: Corbyn's election.0
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It's taken less than a year after the GE for open hostilities to break out in the Tory party. Is this a record?kle4 said:
Yes indeed. This is already getting messy - just on here we've seen the conspiracy theory that the cuts were proposed to force IDS out on one end, to that he doesn't care, he must have known, it's just about Europe.surbiton said:
£4bn is a large some of money. Surely it was mentioned in the morning Cabinet meeting, at the very least. In any case, I cannot believe the Secretary of the Work and Pensions did not know about it beforehand.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
Will it be a bloodletting that lasts for years? Hard to say of course, but unless it's a massive win for Leave or a massive win for Remain (with Tory voters a lot less split than seems the case) it's hard to see how one side will be overwhelming enough to win it quickly.
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Summary - IDS is a noble hero, Osborne ruined everything IDS wanted to help the nation and is a cock to boot, this was the last straw.Scott_P said:@FraserNelson: Why Iain Duncan Smith resigned - my blog: https://t.co/9J0mR3ECVV
I've no idea of the history, but from the tone I think I know which side Nelson will be on in any IDS vs Osborne battle.0 -
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Wow IDS saying cuts are no longer required but are just Political rather than in the economic interests of the nation.0
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No, it was all @Kennyf1283 on Twitter.tyson said:If that has come from you, you're a very clever so and so.
Wasn't IDS one of the original Major's bastards? Bloody heckers like, IDS is a bigger bastard than I could have ever have imagined.
The Tories relationship to Europe is akin to crystal meth. They are addicted to it, and it sends them completely bonkers.Theuniondivvie said:Beware the IDS of March.
(ht @Kennyf1283)
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I mean, it's a good job the tories have a healthy poll lead over Labout to act as a cushion while this blood-letting is ongoing.0
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Possibly. But this is the first time in peacetime since 1931 that they have had no opposition of any sort to think about. If they want to continue fighting and politicking they have to do it to themselves.watford30 said:
It's taken less than a year after the GE for open hostilities to break out in the Tory party. Is this a record?kle4 said:
Yes indeed. This is already getting messy - just on here we've seen the conspiracy theory that the cuts were proposed to force IDS out on one end, to that he doesn't care, he must have known, it's just about Europe.surbiton said:
£4bn is a large some of money. Surely it was mentioned in the morning Cabinet meeting, at the very least. In any case, I cannot believe the Secretary of the Work and Pensions did not know about it beforehand.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?
Will it be a bloodletting that lasts for years? Hard to say of course, but unless it's a massive win for Leave or a massive win for Remain (with Tory voters a lot less split than seems the case) it's hard to see how one side will be overwhelming enough to win it quickly.0 -
Anyone care to name the price tonight on George Osborne as next party leader?0
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May will have designs on the Remain nomination, which look better and better now. She won't be resigning. Gove is a unity candidate, representing both Cameroonism and Euroscepticism. So he won't be resigning either. Villiers or Whittingdale might go, but neither have huge star quality.Mortimer said:
The benefit of having an ex leader in a position to be able to resign is that he knows when to cause the most damage.Tissue_Price said:
This is a proper gamechanger. The Gove bet looks better and better.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.
If this has been done right, and is about the leadership, there will be another resignation tomorrow.
May, if she feels up for the fight? Gove?0 -
It is unfortunate that the hashtag IDSquits can be read two ways.0
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Last matched @ 5.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone care to name the price tonight on George Osborne as next party leader?
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The mods on the Guardian are going to be busy tonight if they allow comments about the resignation.0
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Yes. That said, it does depend on how much detail Osborne lets the cabinet in on.MarkHopkins said:Scott_P said:If IDS had really found his conscience (as opposed to wanting to cause maximum trouble for Cameron/Osborne) he would have resigned before he signed off the budget...
So Osborne has to get permission from all the other ministers for this budget, does he?0 -
I bet you're brilliant at Cluedo.AlastairMeeks said:
Iain Duncan Smith's cabinet career under David Cameron is over. David Cameron doesn't forgive in the first place and he will still be seething about this on his deathbed.SouthamObserver said:If Leave wins IDS will presumably be back in the cabinet by Christmas. If so, the words in his resignation letter may come back to haunt him.
Iain Duncan Smith will know that. So if he retains cabinet ambitions, he's going to be joining the plotters.0 -
Oh, better make that 6.Alistair said:
Last matched @ 5.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone care to name the price tonight on George Osborne as next party leader?
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Chris Grayling perhaps?Tissue_Price said:
May will have designs on the Remain nomination, which look better and better now. She won't be resigning. Gove is a unity candidate, representing both Cameroonism and Euroscepticism. So he won't be resigning either. Villiers or Whittingdale might go, but neither have huge star quality.Mortimer said:
The benefit of having an ex leader in a position to be able to resign is that he knows when to cause the most damage.Tissue_Price said:
This is a proper gamechanger. The Gove bet looks better and better.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.
If this has been done right, and is about the leadership, there will be another resignation tomorrow.
May, if she feels up for the fight? Gove?0 -
So who is going to replace IDS?
My money is on Priti Patel (if there was such a market)0 -
I bet that waste of space Osborne's wishing he hadn't screwed up yet another budget now!0
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Yes, biggest part of the whole thing for me. If IDS thinks that, there must be others in the cabinet who do too, and plenty more of the parliamentary party and members who do too - sticking to the deficit targets, or at least making an appearance at trying too, is central to Cameron and Osborne and their presentation of economic competence.bigjohnowls said:Wow IDS saying cuts are no longer required but are just Political rather than in the economic interests of the nation.
IDS seems to be saying that's bollocks, what we've done on deficit reduction is enough, so it's time to stop.
We're all Corbynites now.0 -
Things can change and crises can pass but right now I wouldn't take anything south of 50/1.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone care to name the price tonight on George Osborne as next party leader?
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SeanT once described me as expert in stating the blindingly obvious. He meant it as an insult but it was a compliment.nigel4england said:
I bet you're brilliant at Cluedo.AlastairMeeks said:
Iain Duncan Smith's cabinet career under David Cameron is over. David Cameron doesn't forgive in the first place and he will still be seething about this on his deathbed.SouthamObserver said:If Leave wins IDS will presumably be back in the cabinet by Christmas. If so, the words in his resignation letter may come back to haunt him.
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The quickest way to get rid of Cameron is for Leave to win in June. IDS will hold nothing back on that front now. But I'm not sure that's necessarily good for Leave!AlastairMeeks said:
Iain Duncan Smith's cabinet career under David Cameron is over. David Cameron doesn't forgive in the first place and he will still be seething about this on his deathbed.SouthamObserver said:If Leave wins IDS will presumably be back in the cabinet by Christmas. If so, the words in his resignation letter may come back to haunt him.
Iain Duncan Smith will know that. So if he retains cabinet ambitions, he's going to be joining the plotters.
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IDS resignation letter cuts are "distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest"0
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Sure Nelson's giving the IDS side, but this budget should have been the safest one in living memory with the EU referendum coming up, instead there was a highly controversial change to PIP made for no obvious immediate reason. Cock up, conspiracy, whatever it doesn't really matter, the question is why do the Treasury or Osborne keep doing these things which detract from the overall successful economic and fiscal policy?kle4 said:
Summary - IDS is a noble hero, Osborne ruined everything IDS wanted to help the nation and is a cock to boot, this was the last straw.Scott_P said:@FraserNelson: Why Iain Duncan Smith resigned - my blog: https://t.co/9J0mR3ECVV
I've no idea of the history, but from the tone I think I know which side Nelson will be on in any IDS vs Osborne battle.0 -
Javid to flip flop?Tissue_Price said:
May will have designs on the Remain nomination, which look better and better now. She won't be resigning. Gove is a unity candidate, representing both Cameroonism and Euroscepticism. So he won't be resigning either. Villiers or Whittingdale might go, but neither have huge star quality.Mortimer said:
The benefit of having an ex leader in a position to be able to resign is that he knows when to cause the most damage.Tissue_Price said:
This is a proper gamechanger. The Gove bet looks better and better.AlastairMeeks said:That's a spectacularly effective knifing.
The Conservatives are going to be at each other's throats for years.
If this has been done right, and is about the leadership, there will be another resignation tomorrow.
May, if she feels up for the fight? Gove?0 -
Time for Osborne to be shuffled out of the Treasury?
A bad few days for team blue.0 -
Or Javid perhaps? Liz Truss might be a possibility too, Cameron is said to like her for some unfathomable reason.TheScreamingEagles said:So who is going to replace IDS?
My money is on Priti Patel (if there was such a market)
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I can't tell you how comfortable I feel with the large red number I have against his name.david_herdson said:
Things can change and crises can pass but right now I wouldn't take anything south of 50/1.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone care to name the price tonight on George Osborne as next party leader?
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Too many people want to knife him now.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone care to name the price tonight on George Osborne as next party leader?
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Sorted that for you.bigjohnowls said:IDS resignation letter "distinctly political rather than in the national economic interest"
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Oh very good.Theuniondivvie said:Beware the IDS of March.
(ht @Kennyf1283)0
