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FrancisUrquhart said:

Kate Andrews, of the Institute of Economic Affairs, says experience in other countries has shown "a sugar tax is incredibly regressive".

She tells the BBC: "It's disproportionately going to affect the people at the bottom, people who are poor on low incomes."

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.

My son is studying Mary Queen of Scots and the murder of Lord Darnley at the moment. Certainly sets the mood with absurd quantities of sex, conspiracy and brutality. Bothwell ended up chained to a post in a dungeon until he went mad and died. Rizzio , possibly the queens lover and possibly father of James, was stabbed 50 odd times in front of the queen when she was 7 months pregnant with a view to inducing a miscarriage. Darnley was strangled in the garden whilst trying to escape his house which was in the process of being blown up. The list of suspects included the Queen who was already bonking Bothwell and married him 3 months later. Elizabeth had more spies and nobles in her pocket than you could shake a stick at.

Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

That's why I'm determined to Remain. My children and grandchildren (those old enough to have an opinion) are solidly for Remain.

So even if I wasn't for Remain anyway I owe it to them to vote Remain. It's their future.

And in their future the chances are they will change their views and then wish that Leave had won.

As we get older clearly we get more sensible.

No, like, apparently, some here, they'll look back to the equivalent of a "sunny" time of their youth. In my case I was young and strong, the world was my hamster and 33% of the world map was coloured red.
Except that it wasn't that good in many respects.

I am afraid you are in denial. All the polling evidence is that as people get older they get less and less enamored of the EU. Well, the sensible ones anyway.

I'm not in denial. The EU has many problems, but becoming part of a Free Tade Area consisting of the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands isn't the best alternative.

dr_spyn said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.

My son is studying Mary Queen of Scots and the murder of Lord Darnley at the moment. Certainly sets the mood with absurd quantities of sex, conspiracy and brutality. Bothwell ended up chained to a post in a dungeon until he went mad and died. Rizzio , possibly the queens lover and possibly father of James, was stabbed 50 odd times in front of the queen when she was 7 months pregnant with a view to inducing a miscarriage. Darnley was strangled in the garden whilst

Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

In 1603, James becomes Elizabeth's successor - but she had killed his mother. Dr Freud would have had a field day.

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

That's why I'm determined to Remain. My children and grandchildren (those old enough to have an opinion) are solidly for Remain.

So even if I wasn't for Remain anyway I owe it to them to vote Remain. It's their future.

And in their future the chances are they will change their views and then wish that Leave had won.

As we get older clearly we get more sensible.

No, like, apparently, some here, they'll look back to the equivalent of a "sunny" time of their youth. In my case I was young and strong, the world was my hamster and 33% of the world map was coloured red.
Except that it wasn't that good in many respects.

I am afraid you are in denial. All the polling evidence is that as people get older they get less and less enamored of the EU. Well, the sensible ones anyway.

I'm not in denial. The EU has many problems, but becoming part of a Free Tade Area consisting of the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands isn't the best alternative.

Straw man attack. No one has ever suggested that. The only reason you have to resort to such idiotic comments is that you have no reasoned or logical response to make. It is a typical Europhile response and exposes the paucity of your arguments

dr_spyn said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.

My son is studying Mary Queen of Scots and the murder of Lord Darnley at the moment. Certainly sets the mood with absurd quantities of sex, conspiracy and brutality. Bothwell ended up chained to a post in a dungeon until he went mad and died. Rizzio , possibly the queens lover and possibly father of James, was stabbed 50 odd times in front of the queen when she was 7 months pregnant with a view to inducing a miscarriage. Darnley was strangled in the garden whilst trying to escape his house which was in the process of being blown up. The list of suspects included the Queen who was already bonking Bothwell and married him 3 months later. Elizabeth had more spies and nobles in her pocket than you could shake a stick at.

Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

In 1603, James becomes Elizabeth's successor - but she had killed his mother. Dr Freud would have had a field day.

OldKingCole said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.


Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

Scottish history is far more brutal than English history. As is Italian history.

When was the last burning at the stake in Scotland?

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evsame.

First, let me be pedantic and say the name of my icon is named Jon, not John. I love the show but the books are better as I let my imagination soar. The only thing that could possibly beat it is if the Wheel of Time could be made into a show. Imagine, a story that would last 14 years on TV.

DavidL said:

dr_spyn said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.

My son is studying Mary Queen of Scots and the murder of Lord Darnley at the moment. Certainly sets the mood with absurd quantities of sex, conspiracy and brutality. Bothwell ended up chained to a post in a dungeon until he went mad and died. Rizzio , possibly the queens lover and possibly father of James, was stabbed 50 odd times in front of the queen when she was 7 months pregnant with a view to inducing a miscarriage. Darnley was strangled in the garden whilst trying to escape his house which was in the process of being blown up. The list of suspects included the Queen who was already bonking Bothwell and married him 3 months later. Elizabeth had more spies and nobles in her pocket than you could shake a stick at.

Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

In 1603, James becomes Elizabeth's successor - but she had killed his mother. Dr Freud would have had a field day.

Yep. No wonder he kept his head down for most of his reign. At least it was on his shoulders.

OldKingCole said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.


Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

Scottish history is far more brutal than English history. As is Italian history.

When was the last burning at the stake in Scotland?

Casino_Royale said:

Pulpstar said:

Cheltenham Diary ladies day

A nice day out with my folks to Prestbury Park

As for the betting....

Yanworth -20
No more heroes -20
Roi des francs -5/-5
Rock the kasbah -10/-10
Our Thomas -2/-2

I would have so backed Rock the Kasbah.

dr_spyn said:

Sean_F said:

dr_spyn said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.

My son is studying Mary Queen of Scots and the murder of Lord Darnley at the moment. Certainly sets the mood with absurd quantities of sex, conspiracy and brutality. Bothwell ended up chained to a post in a dungeon until he went mad and died. Rizzio , possibly the queens lover and possibly father of James, was stabbed 50 odd times in front of the queen when she was 7 months pregnant with a view to inducing a miscarriage. Darnley was strangled in the garden whilst

Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

In 1603, James becomes Elizabeth's successor - but she had killed his mother. Dr Freud would have had a field day.

James seems to have been relatively unconcerned about the death of his mother.

Just been looking up on the deaths of some of the other Scottish Kings. Burst cannon, assassination, killed in battle.

Casino_Royale said:

OldKingCole said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

Sean_F said:

DavidL said:

MikeK said:

DavidL said:

Casino_Royale said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

Winter is coming for the pensioners though, from Project Fear.

Look out for pensions, saga holidays, werthers originals, bus passes and phone calls from your grandchildren all being under existential threat if we Leave.

One can only hope the older generation are made of strong stuff.

So looking forward to GOT coming back.

Me too. Enough of this faux gasping at a mediocre budget. Bring on Game of Thrones and let the Winds of Winter rage.

Oh, and good evening to all.

Evening. Is your icon John Snow really going to be alive and a player? I vaguely recall muttering I would not read the next book if he wasn't. Too few Starks left.

Winter is coming has entered the language in a way that is truly remarkable. Mind you half of the Godfather script did the same.

I believe Melisandre will revive Jon by means of necrophilia.

Interesting.


Makes GOT seem a bit tame in places. And most the actors were young enough to think the EU is a good idea. Bothwell was only 21 when he died. Mary came south to seek refuge from Elizabeth (proving her stupidity beyond doubt)!when she was 24.

Our history is more exciting than most of its teachers want to let on.

Scottish history is far more brutal than English history. As is Italian history.

When was the last burning at the stake in Scotland?

Not enough burnings, beheadings and cruxifications these days, if you ask me.

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

That's why I'm determined to Remain. My children and grandchildren (those old enough to have an opinion) are solidly for Remain.

So even if I wasn't for Remain anyway I owe it to them to vote Remain. It's their future.

And in their future the chances are they will change their views and then wish that Leave had won.

As we get older clearly we get more sensible.

No, like, apparently, some here, they'll look back to the equivalent of a "sunny" time of their youth. In my case I was young and strong, the world was my hamster and 33% of the world map was coloured red.
Except that it wasn't that good in many respects.

I am afraid you are in denial. All the polling evidence is that as people get older they get less and less enamored of the EU. Well, the sensible ones anyway.

I'm not in denial. The EU has many problems, but becoming part of a Free Tade Area consisting of the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands isn't the best alternative.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Kate Andrews, of the Institute of Economic Affairs, says experience in other countries has shown "a sugar tax is incredibly regressive".

She tells the BBC: "It's disproportionately going to affect the people at the bottom, people who are poor on low incomes."

NorfolkTilIDie said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

That's why I'm determined to Remain. My children and grandchildren (those old enough to have an opinion) are solidly for Remain.

So even if I wasn't for Remain anyway I owe it to them to vote Remain. It's their future.

And in their future the chances are they will change their views and then wish that Leave had won.

As we get older clearly we get more sensible.

No, like, apparently, some here, they'll look back to the equivalent of a "sunny" time of their youth. In my case I was young and strong, the world was my hamster and 33% of the world map was coloured red.
Except that it wasn't that good in many respects.

I am afraid you are in denial. All the polling evidence is that as people get older they get less and less enamored of the EU. Well, the sensible ones anyway.

I'm not in denial. The EU has many problems, but becoming part of a Free Tade Area consisting of the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands isn't the best alternative.

Which is why we would sign free trade deals with many other countries.

NorfolkTilIDie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Kate Andrews, of the Institute of Economic Affairs, says experience in other countries has shown "a sugar tax is incredibly regressive".

She tells the BBC: "It's disproportionately going to affect the people at the bottom, people who are poor on low incomes."

You could eliminate VAT on healthy foods to make up for it.

Oh yeah, the EU bans us from doing such a sensible thing.

AlastairMeeks said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

AlastairMeeks said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kle4 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

The Chancellor is extremely unlikely to survive a second recession in his job, considering there hasn't even been a first recession in his job yet.

Immaterial, for the same reason people didn't seemingly react that much when official figures showed us going into, out of and then back into recession (before it later updates changed that too) - to most people it felt pretty much the same even if the percentage decimals went one way or another, what mattered was how they felt. Same now - if we continue to feel like crap, he will likely suffer, even if it is his first 'official' fall back into recession.

It's not immaterial to expect economic journalists who are reporting on the budget to know such basic facts like when the last recession was.

You place to much faith in the Wesminster bubble types. The Economist claimed the other week that CETA didn't cover financial services, when its one of the main chapters!!

https://www.cigionline.org/sites/default/files/cigi_paper_no.91_web.pdf

"In sum, CETA provisions found in chapter 15 are likely to have a marginal impact on the Canadian and European financial services sectors, for two reasons. First, these provisions closely follow those of GATS and its annex on financial services,16 of which Canada and the European Union are signatories. Second, although CETA provides the possibility for the free movement of financial services and the individuals who supply them, many regulatory and licensing requirements are likely to remain in place on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean once the agreement comes into force."

Yes, I've read that. It definitely confirms it covers financial services, doesn't it? It says the main reason there won't be more impact is because GATS has already done so much for international trade in financial services between countries. It also says the main barrier to further integration was on Canadian side, who still have failed to align finance regulations between various provinces. That won't apply to UK obviously.

No, it names two reasons why it will have a marginal impact. Don't just pick the one that suits you.

And if you'd already read it and accept that it's going to have marginal impact, don't go promulgating bullshit about it being one of the main chapters.

Gaius said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Gaius said:

Sandpit said:

Gaius said:

This is pretty savage.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.

No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

Trump is going to win by a landslide.

Trump, the man who spends him time insulting every other candidate and believes in imaginary New Jersey Muslims cheering 9/11, is presidential??

Yes.

This is why he leads in delegates at the moment.

NorfolkTilIDie said:

DavidL said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Kate Andrews, of the Institute of Economic Affairs, says experience in other countries has shown "a sugar tax is incredibly regressive".

She tells the BBC: "It's disproportionately going to affect the people at the bottom, people who are poor on low incomes."

You could eliminate VAT on healthy foods to make up for it.

Oh yeah, the EU bans us from doing such a sensible thing.

We don't pay VAT on food, unless it is heated up or in a restaurant.

Not true. Things like cereal bars, rice cakes, mineral water are standard rated.

Gaius said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

RodCrosby said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Gaius said:

Sandpit said:

Gaius said:

This is pretty savage.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.

No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

Trump is going to win by a landslide.

Trump, the man who spends him time insulting every other candidate and believes in imaginary New Jersey Muslims cheering 9/11, is presidential??

The electorate does not consist of a panel of Harvard wonks.

You don't need to be a Harvard wonk to find Trump a bellicose clown. He'll lose badly among minorities (a third of the electorate), and struggle among white graduates (another third) and there won't be enough uneducated whites to see him through.

Do you REALLY believe that.

Consider this. The average black/hispanic has an IQ of about 85.

They will hear Trump...wall...stopping illegals... and think "thats good for our jobs and wages"

Gaius said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Gaius said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Gaius said:

Sandpit said:

Gaius said:

This is pretty savage.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.

No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

Trump is going to win by a landslide.

Trump, the man who spends him time insulting every other candidate and believes in imaginary New Jersey Muslims cheering 9/11, is presidential??

Yes.

This is why he leads in delegates at the moment.

Only among the unhinged Republican electorate.

The amount of people voting in the republican primaries has gone up dramatically.

Trump is getting out the voters.

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

OldKingCole said:

AndyJS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Basically that ICM has

75 year old plus voting to Leave by 55% to 33%

65-74 year olds voting to Leave by 54% to 36%

Has 18-24 year olds voting to Remain by 58% to 25%

and 25-34 year olds voting to Remain by 60% to 25%

Very risky for Remain to be relying on the All Young Dudes and Dudettes

Exactly what I said a few days ago. Leave must be very happy to be ahead with the people who can be relied upon to turn up at the polling stations.

That's why I'm determined to Remain. My children and grandchildren (those old enough to have an opinion) are solidly for Remain.

So even if I wasn't for Remain anyway I owe it to them to vote Remain. It's their future.

And in their future the chances are they will change their views and then wish that Leave had won.

As we get older clearly we get more sensible.

No, like, apparently, some here, they'll look back to the equivalent of a "sunny" time of their youth. In my case I was young and strong, the world was my hamster and 33% of the world map was coloured red.
Except that it wasn't that good in many respects.

I am afraid you are in denial. All the polling evidence is that as people get older they get less and less enamored of the EU. Well, the sensible ones anyway.

I'm not in denial. The EU has many problems, but becoming part of a Free Tade Area consisting of the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands isn't the best alternative.

Straw man attack. No one has ever suggested that. The only reason you have to resort to such idiotic comments is that you have no reasoned or logical response to make. It is a typical Europhile response and exposes the paucity of your arguments

If one of the reasons for leaving is border control, then EEA/EFTA isn't a good arguement either. Sovereignty-wise we'd be worse of in those, too.

Edited for spelling.

Gaius said:

OldKingCole said:

Gaius said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

RodCrosby said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Gaius said:

Sandpit said:

Gaius said:

This is pretty savage.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.

No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

Trump is going to win by a landslide.

Trump, the man who spends him time insulting every other candidate and believes in imaginary New Jersey Muslims cheering 9/11, is presidential??

The electorate does not consist of a panel of Harvard wonks.

You don't need to be a Harvard wonk to find Trump a bellicose clown. He'll lose badly among minorities (a third of the electorate), and struggle among white graduates (another third) and there won't be enough uneducated whites to see him through.

Do you REALLY believe that.

Consider this. The average black/hispanic has an IQ of about 85.

They will hear Trump...wall...stopping illegals... and think "thats good for our jobs and wages"

You don't REALLY, REALLY believe what you've posted do you?

The average black/hispanic DOES have an IQ of about 85. (Look it up if you don't believe me).

The ones that have jobs will think that the illegals will make it more difficult for them to get jobs and will hold down their wages. Thats what they will hear from Trump.

Therefore a good number WILL vote for him.

Wanderer said:

Gaius said:

OldKingCole said:

Gaius said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

RodCrosby said:

NorfolkTilIDie said:

Gaius said:

Sandpit said:

Gaius said:

This is pretty savage.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.

No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

Trump is going to win by a landslide.

Trump, the man who spends him time insulting every other candidate and believes in imaginary New Jersey Muslims cheering 9/11, is presidential??

The electorate does not consist of a panel of Harvard wonks.

You don't need to be a Harvard wonk to find Trump a bellicose clown. He'll lose badly among minorities (a third of the electorate), and struggle among white graduates (another third) and there won't be enough uneducated whites to see him through.

Do you REALLY believe that.

Consider this. The average black/hispanic has an IQ of about 85.

They will hear Trump...wall...stopping illegals... and think "thats good for our jobs and wages"

You don't REALLY, REALLY believe what you've posted do you?

The average black/hispanic DOES have an IQ of about 85. (Look it up if you don't believe me).

The ones that have jobs will think that the illegals will make it more difficult for them to get jobs and will hold down their wages. Thats what they will hear from Trump.

Therefore a good number WILL vote for him.

You're a racist troll.

RodCrosby said:

RodCrosby said:

Trump warns of riots if he doesn't get the gig...
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-gop-convention-riots-173311030.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw

Seems there will be riots, come what may.
http://www.infowars.com/top-black-lives-matter-activist-we-will-incite-riots-everywhere-if-trump-wins/

felix said:

rogerh said:

The changes in personal allowance are crafted to help the struggling middle classes.I calculate that the increase in the allowance from £11,000 to £11500 will give £100 to the standard rate tax payer and £200 to a 40% tax payer.That benefit is dwarfed by raising the level that 40% is paid by £2615 yielding a further £523.So its £100 gain for hard working people and for better off tax payers.One thing you can say about the Tories they look after their own well.

Since 2010 the personal allowance has gone from £6500 to £11000 - that is a fantastic increase for the lower paid - way better than anything Labour offered. The higher rate allowance was frozen for much of that period. You're cherry-picking and on the outrage bus. Heard it all before many times since 2010 - change the record.

notme said:

Sandpit said:

Philip_Thompson said:

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

kle4 said:

another_richard said:

Osborne's borrowing prediction:

2015/16 £72.2bn
2016/17 £55.5bn -£16.7bn
2017/18 £38.8bn -£16.7bn
2018/19 £21.4bn -£17.4bn
2019/20 £10.4bn surplus -£31.8bn

Does anyone really believe there's going to be such a huge improvement in the public finances during an election year ???

Not even slightly. It seems for all his planning, all the admittedly difficult choices he's had to make, ultimately if he succeeds in his primary goal or succeeds Cameron will come down entirely to being very very lucky, if it happens.

To make these targets growth here needs to be comfortably better than the new OBR figures. That will only happen if growth elsewhere exceeds expectations. That looks unlikely at the moment.

Right - so despite all his supposed skill at the job, he comes down to the exact same excuses as any other chancellor he no doubt opposed; blame the world economy when you do poorly, while trying to claim the credit when the world economy, and you, do better.

Except we're doing better than the world, so deserve credit where credit's due.

He has not done a bad job to be fair, he's managed to reduce quite a lot of govt spending without causing a recession, in the face of poor economic performance of most of our near neighbours and key trading partners.

He can reasonably be criticised from the right, but to suggest that the alternatives of Brown/Darling/Miliband/Corbyn would have done anything like as good a job is preposterous. If Brown had won the 2010 election we would most likely had a rerun of 1976 with the IMF dictating the Budget a couple of years later rather than the Chancellor.

Brown had a good history from 1997 to 2001 of really turning the screws on public spending. But it always felt like Labour had decided they were going to lose the General Election in 2010, and their last eighteen months in office became nothing more than a scorched earth policy. Screw up as much as possible for the incoming government, squander and spend with total abandonment, writes lots of cheques, abandon any form of fiscal restraint.

felix said:

rogerh said:

The changes in personal allowance are crafted to help the struggling middle classes.I calculate that the increase in the allowance from £11,000 to £11500 will give £100 to the standard rate tax payer and £200 to a 40% tax payer.That benefit is dwarfed by raising the level that 40% is paid by £2615 yielding a further £523.So its £100 gain for hard working people and for better off tax payers.One thing you can say about the Tories they look after their own well.

Since 2010 the personal allowance has gone from £6500 to £11000 - that is a fantastic increase for the lower paid - way better than anything Labour offered. The higher rate allowance was frozen for much of that period. You're cherry-picking and on the outrage bus. Heard it all before many times since 2010 - change the record.