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edited March 2016 in General

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Perhaps more than anybody Osborne’s career is very much tied up with REMAIN winning the referendum in three months time and who could blame him for using the platform of the budget to help the cause.

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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    edited March 2016
    First?

    Derailing the thread immediately: the Shaw report into the financing of the railways was released today. In a surprise to no-one, it does not recommend privatising Network Rail. From a very quick parse, it seems utterly no-sh*t-sherlock.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/508139/shaw-report-summary-of-recommendations.pdf

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/508336/shaw-report-the-future-shape-and-financing-of-network-rail.pdf
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited March 2016
    "A budget for the referendum and Osborne’s career ambitions"

    Oh no it isn't...! :lol:
  • Huzzah for Osborne taking my advice
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Osborne has to be careful, if things are too good people might be OK in taking more of a risk, if things are too bad people will also be taking more of a risk.

    In other news:

    https://twitter.com/politico/status/710131237189500929

    That's endorsement No.3 from governors for Trump.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    bigjohnowls
    4:43PM
    Morris_Dancer said:
    Mr. Owls, are you warming to Osborne? :p

    I am rooting for him to replace Cameron
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Owls, if you could, would you spend £3 to acquire a vote?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Has Nicola decried the Tax on Irn Bru as a cultural assault on the Scots yet? :lol:
  • Has Nicola decried the Tax on Irn Bru as a cultural assault on the Scots yet? :lol:

    Grounds for a second referendum if not outright secession sans referendum
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249
    I think the idea that the budget was addressed at those who might vote remain is a bit silly and of no substance but there is no doubt at all that Osborne was quite clear what he considered to be in the national interest and the economic interest of the UK.

    Fair enough in my view, he is entitled to his opinion. I think in the very short term there is little doubt that a Leave vote would increase uncertainty, reduce investment and cut growth, potentially down to zero or below. In the longer term I think that so long as the UK remains in the EEA growth is likely to be marginally better but you pays your money and you make your choice on that one.

    The irony of Osborne blaming his almost inevitable failure to eliminate the deficit by 2020 on a Leave vote is somewhat unlikely to be explicit in any speech made by him as Chancellor. If we vote Leave this may well prove to have been his last budget.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    Has Nicola decried the Tax on Irn Bru as a cultural assault on the Scots yet? :lol:

    Grounds for a second referendum if not outright secession sans referendum
    Not true only the battered Mars Bar tax would prove sufficient grounds for a twice in a generation vote.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    Mr. Owls, if you could, would you spend £3 to acquire a vote?

    Indeed.

    Spoilt for choice between Gove and George!!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Republican Senators have entered tail spin territory
    https://twitter.com/SenToomey/status/710127298779942912?s=09
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Owls, not tempted by Nicky Morgan?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    It's official, no more GOP debates:

    https://twitter.com/keltonwells/status/710144062737616896

    No more live commentary, on the plus side more sleep.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Galyle force storm in Mumbai, 11 Englishmen injured
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Is Cruz creeping back into contention in MO?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    Is Cruz creeping back into contention in MO?

    With 100% in, Trump won by 1600 votes.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    I love this Mike: "who could blame him for using the platform of the budget to help the cause".

    Hehe
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    JeremyCorbyn4PM ‏@JeremyCorbyn4PM 4m4 minutes ago
    "It's 12 homes for every press release...we need a vast increase in press releases..."
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Is Cruz creeping back into contention in MO?

    With 100% in, Trump won by 1600 votes.
    What were the CDs? I'm seeing 30:10, among various figures.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    edited March 2016

    Mr. Owls, not tempted by Nicky Morgan?

    No prefer her predecessor. Good luck with the new book BTW
  • GaiusGaius Posts: 227

    Mr. Owls, not tempted by Nicky Morgan?

    Surely no one is tempted by Nicky Morgan.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    JeremyCorbyn4PM ‏@JeremyCorbyn4PM 4m4 minutes ago
    "It's 12 homes for every press release...we need a vast increase in press releases..."

    lol
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    BJO ...and how many did Labour build annually during their 13 years in power..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628

    Has Nicola decried the Tax on Irn Bru as a cultural assault on the Scots yet? :lol:

    Of more interest is how she responds to the massive North Sea tax cut. It should lower the oil price at which fields become viable, but the SNP budgeting was predicated on massive tax revenue from the O&G industry.

    Worth topping up on the Tories to beat Labour in the Scotland election bet I think.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited March 2016
    Alistair said:

    Republican Senators have entered tail spin territory
    http://twitter.com/SenToomey/status/710127298779942912?s=09

    Does this mean that the Republican Senate caucus expect to win the White House (and, for that matter, keep their majority in the Senate)?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628

    JeremyCorbyn4PM ‏@JeremyCorbyn4PM 4m4 minutes ago
    "It's 12 homes for every press release...we need a vast increase in press releases..."

    That's a spoof account, surely?
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Typical Eurinals, taking the piss..
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249
    isam said:

    Galyle force storm in Mumbai, 11 Englishmen injured

    Ouch, ouch, ouch. He is still going. What a player.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628
    isam said:

    Galyle force storm in Mumbai, 11 Englishmen injured

    Not looking good is it? Gayle 97 from 43 balls!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited March 2016
    Wanderer said:

    Alistair said:

    Republican Senators have entered tail spin territory
    http://twitter.com/SenToomey/status/710127298779942912?s=09

    Does this mean that the Republican Senate caucus expect to win the White House (and, for that matter, keep their majority in the Senate)?
    Rock

    Hard Place

    Senators are worried about being primaried and losing a purity contest against a frothing Tea Partier.

    Senators are worried about energising Democratic voters who see the only way of getting a SCOTUS nomination is to vote out their Republican senator.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    RodCrosby said:

    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Is Cruz creeping back into contention in MO?

    With 100% in, Trump won by 1600 votes.
    What were the CDs? I'm seeing 30:10, among various figures.
    GreenPapers behind, give Cruz 3 CDs (15 delegates) so presumably it's 2 or 3 now Trump's won overall, depending where those votes are.
  • GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    Speedy said:

    It's official, no more GOP debates:

    https://twitter.com/keltonwells/status/710144062737616896

    No more live commentary, on the plus side more sleep.

    Hardly surprising when Trump has already said he wouldn't turn up.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Coke Zero never tasted as good.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016
    Been out all afternoon...do we know yet how has Squeaky Osborne screwed us this time?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Mr. Owls, if you could, would you spend £3 to acquire a vote?

    Indeed.

    Spoilt for choice between Gove and George!!
    I completely agree, though likely with different motives completely.
  • GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    Coke Zero never tasted as good.

    In my experience most overweight people already drink sugar free. Why waste calories on full sugar drinks. I reckon thin people are the full sugar drinks people.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Coke Zero never tasted as good.

    In my experience most overweight people already drink sugar free. Why waste calories on full sugar drinks. I reckon thin people are the full sugar drinks people.
    This was Paris Hilton's theory.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Owls, thanks :)

    Mr. Gaius, shade ungallant.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    Galyle force storm in Mumbai, 11 Englishmen injured

    Not looking good is it? Gayle 97 from 43 balls!
    Can't we distract him with some pretty ladies?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    Pretty funny.

    Presumably Putin and ISIS are shitting themselves at Trumps hair
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628
    edited March 2016
    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

    Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

    I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

    From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628

    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    Galyle force storm in Mumbai, 11 Englishmen injured

    Not looking good is it? Gayle 97 from 43 balls!
    Can't we distract him with some pretty ladies?
    Too late for that strategy this time! A fine innings, unfortunately it was against England.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    Galyle force storm in Mumbai, 11 Englishmen injured

    Not looking good is it? Gayle 97 from 43 balls!
    Can't we distract him with some pretty ladies?
    Too late for that strategy this time! A fine innings, unfortunately it was against England.
    We should have played Sarah Taylor behind the wicket, he would have been totally distracted with trying to chat her up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    I doubt this budget will move many voters to Remain in and of itself.

    It might help reinforce a narrative for Remain of more sweeties in future if you don't rock the UK budget by voting Leave, but that was the baseline story anyway.

    The big move is on small business. It will be interesting to see if that shifts sentiment at all.

    I suspect very little.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It looks like a holding pattern budget to me. Some straws in the wind about future directions in some areas, but apart from noting that the government is adrift of its targets, not that much to get excited about.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048
    Sandpit said:

    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides.

    Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

    I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.
    Donald Trump portrays himself as the strong-man :)

    I'd back most little old ladies in a fight with him. I think I might back Hillary versus many professional boxers.

    If this gets Hillary to be somewhat less diplomatic, and actually make some statements that stray from the nothingness of what she's currently saying then Trump will have done the American people a great service.

    Obama is clearly a thoughtful man. Has he dared to air these thoughts - no. Hillary is going down the same path.

    If you're going to be the most powerful person on the planet you may as well try to use that power.

    I'm backing (betwise) Trump mainly because I'm damned sure he'll use his powers as much as possible. He is a complete fool, but he has enough sense to have worked out what Presidents can (and perhaps should) do.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    'Imminent' terrorist attack on Paris is foiled as police arrest three men and a woman in dawn raid
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    As much as I am from the centre of Labour, I am pleased that Corbyn and John Mcdonnell are actually opposing the government strongly criticising the shortcomings when necessary.

    Ed Miliband was so placid giving the government a free ride.

    Tories seem to be in a bit of a grumpy mood today.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    BBC PARLIAMENT
    BBC PARLIAMENT

    1966 General Election

    To mark the 50th anniversary, BBC Parliament gives viewers a chance to experience the 1966 General Election through this archive broadcast of the BBC’s original live election results coverage from Thursday 31 March 1966.

    Cliff Michelmore hosts the BBC’s 1966 General Election programme, with analysis of the results by election experts David Butler and Robert McKenzie, political commentary from the BBC’s parliamentary correspondent Ian Trethowan, and interviews by Robin Day.

    The election battle is between Prime Minister Harold Wilson’s Labour Party, which was attempting to improve on the parliamentary majority of just one seat it held at the time the election was called, and the Conservatives under the eight-month-old leadership of Edward Heath, with hopes of overturning Labour’s narrow majority.

    Live coverage of declarations and reaction to the results comes from across the country, including reports from Frank Bough in Wolverhampton, Magnus Magnusson in Glasgow, Raymond Baxter in Billericay, Michael Parkinson in Birmingham and Alan Wicker with the crowds watching the BBC’s coverage on a big screen in Trafalgar Square.

    In addition, Michael Aspel presents regular news summaries, Robert Robinson provides a review of the newspapers, and among the studio guests giving their response to the election campaign and results are the editor of the Spectator magazine Nigel Lawson and the US political commentator Theodore H White.

    Pictured: Harold Wilson

    Monday 28 March

    8.20-12 midnight

    BBC PARLIAMENT
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    Osborne's future depends on more than the EU Ref surely. The downgrades to economic forecasts today and the continued unbroken series of revisions upwards to the deficit numbers will do for him if the economy really does continue to drift worse.

    Only Jeremy Hunt gets more opprobrium on my facebook feed than Osborne!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    SMukesh said:

    As much as I am from the centre of Labour, I am pleased that Corbyn and John Mcdonnell are actually opposing the government strongly criticising the shortcomings when necessary.

    Ed Miliband was so placid giving the government a free ride.

    Tories seem to be in a bit of a grumpy mood today.

    Too right.

    Most Labour MPs including mine are too comfortable with going along with Tory Lite policies.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    marke09 said:

    BBC PARLIAMENT
    BBC PARLIAMENT

    1966 General Election

    To mark the 50th anniversary, BBC Parliament gives viewers a chance to experience the 1966 General Election through this archive broadcast of the BBC’s original live election results coverage from Thursday 31 March 1966.

    Cliff Michelmore hosts the BBC’s 1966 General Election programme, with analysis of the results by election experts David Butler and Robert McKenzie, political commentary from the BBC’s parliamentary correspondent Ian Trethowan, and interviews by Robin Day.

    The election battle is between Prime Minister Harold Wilson’s Labour Party, which was attempting to improve on the parliamentary majority of just one seat it held at the time the election was called, and the Conservatives under the eight-month-old leadership of Edward Heath, with hopes of overturning Labour’s narrow majority.

    Live coverage of declarations and reaction to the results comes from across the country, including reports from Frank Bough in Wolverhampton, Magnus Magnusson in Glasgow, Raymond Baxter in Billericay, Michael Parkinson in Birmingham and Alan Wicker with the crowds watching the BBC’s coverage on a big screen in Trafalgar Square.

    In addition, Michael Aspel presents regular news summaries, Robert Robinson provides a review of the newspapers, and among the studio guests giving their response to the election campaign and results are the editor of the Spectator magazine Nigel Lawson and the US political commentator Theodore H White.

    Pictured: Harold Wilson

    Monday 28 March

    8.20-12 midnight

    BBC PARLIAMENT

    Glory days
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249

    It looks like a holding pattern budget to me. Some straws in the wind about future directions in some areas, but apart from noting that the government is adrift of its targets, not that much to get excited about.

    I agree. He has taken some remedial steps to address the drift but mostly he has let the damage lie.

    People accuse Osborne of being a very political Chancellor and in many ways he is but what I find surprising is that in both the last Parliament and the present one he is very relaxed about putting so much of the pain to the end of a Parliament and near the election. Most Chancellors try to get the unpleasant stuff out of the way early and cram some goodies towards the end but in the Coalition we even had the absurd position of him coming to the country with a tough budget that he then moderated quite considerably after he won. This is a second relatively pain free budget but the targets for later in the Parliament look heroic.

    My view, for what it is worth, is that whilst he clearly has a weakness for the political gesture he also genuinely tries to do his best. The reason the tougher years of cuts were postponed the last time was that he thought the economy was not strong enough to bear it. I think we have seen the same pattern in both the last 2 budgets. I think he is genuinely worried about the storm clouds he has described and he is taking his foot off the break again in response.

    So far, in macroeconomic terms at least, he has called this right.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048

    It looks like a holding pattern budget to me. Some straws in the wind about future directions in some areas, but apart from noting that the government is adrift of its targets, not that much to get excited about.

    It's a budget on the edge of an abyss. They've always been that way recently. GO deserves some credit for dancing us so nimbly along the edge. I suspect lesser chancellors would have us merely hanging on by our fingernails by now. Moving firmly away, as I hope that we will, needs a lot of time and an agreement to do nothing really stupid (so no Gordo).
  • GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    Sandpit said:

    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

    Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

    I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

    From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.
    No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

    The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

    As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

    Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

    go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

    As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

    Trump is going to win by a landslide.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2016
    Ignorant BBC/Guardian (from the BBC Budget 2016 Live webpage)
    In The Guardian, Gaby Hinsliff asks readers to forget the announcements on sugary drinks, or small business, and says the bit of the budget that mattered most was "the doom-laden stuff at the beginning about how the world economy may be about to go horribly wrong". She says the Chancellor is "unlikely to survive" a second recession in his job and he "sounded like a man outlining his legacy".
    The Chancellor is extremely unlikely to survive a second recession in his job, considering there hasn't even been a first recession in his job yet.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    It's deja vu all over again
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited March 2016
    Phew = another Budget survived.

    I see Lisa will be ditching EET pensions before 2020 if I had to guess.. for new money anyway.
    Imagine bolting on employer contributions won't be too hard in due course either....so as not to mess up auto enrolment

    Impressed to see our bowlers managed to impersonate Dernbach today.

    Wide.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,417
    edited March 2016

    Coke Zero never tasted as good.

    Diet Irn Bru!

    http://www.papajohns.co.uk/images/Drinks/irn-bru-sugar-free.jpg
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2016
    Apparently some Tory MPs are angry about the big cuts to disability benefits.

    Hopefully the 2015 intake (Heidi Allen et al) will put the kibosh on it again.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    It looks like a holding pattern budget to me. Some straws in the wind about future directions in some areas, but apart from noting that the government is adrift of its targets, not that much to get excited about.

    Which is why the sugar-encrusted dead cat was flung onto the table.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249

    Ignorant BBC/Guardian (from the BBC Budget 2016 Live webpage)

    In The Guardian, Gaby Hinsliff asks readers to forget the announcements on sugary drinks, or small business, and says the bit of the budget that mattered most was "the doom-laden stuff at the beginning about how the world economy may be about to go horribly wrong". She says the Chancellor is "unlikely to survive" a second recession in his job and he "sounded like a man outlining his legacy".
    The Chancellor is extremely unlikely to survive a second recession in his job, considering there hasn't even been a first recession in his job yet.

    Its just embarrassing isn't it? They should rely more on Laura Kuenssberg who has been an excellent addition to the BBC team.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    edited March 2016
    Re sugar levy. Does anyone think there will be a differential price for Diet Coke and full sugar Coke. Cant see it myself. I reckon both will increase in price therefore having no impact.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    marke09 said:

    BBC PARLIAMENT
    BBC PARLIAMENT

    1966 General Election

    To mark the 50th anniversary, BBC Parliament gives viewers a chance to experience the 1966 General Election through this archive broadcast of the BBC’s original live election results coverage from Thursday 31 March 1966.

    Cliff Michelmore hosts the BBC’s 1966 General Election programme, with analysis of the results by election experts David Butler and Robert McKenzie, political commentary from the BBC’s parliamentary correspondent Ian Trethowan, and interviews by Robin Day.

    The election battle is between Prime Minister Harold Wilson’s Labour Party, which was attempting to improve on the parliamentary majority of just one seat it held at the time the election was called, and the Conservatives under the eight-month-old leadership of Edward Heath, with hopes of overturning Labour’s narrow majority.

    Live coverage of declarations and reaction to the results comes from across the country, including reports from Frank Bough in Wolverhampton, Magnus Magnusson in Glasgow, Raymond Baxter in Billericay, Michael Parkinson in Birmingham and Alan Wicker with the crowds watching the BBC’s coverage on a big screen in Trafalgar Square.

    In addition, Michael Aspel presents regular news summaries, Robert Robinson provides a review of the newspapers, and among the studio guests giving their response to the election campaign and results are the editor of the Spectator magazine Nigel Lawson and the US political commentator Theodore H White.

    Pictured: Harold Wilson

    Monday 28 March

    8.20-12 midnight

    BBC PARLIAMENT

    Great stuff. I am enough of a nerd to really enjoy these programmes so will put this one on record.

    Thanks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172

    Ignorant BBC/Guardian (from the BBC Budget 2016 Live webpage)

    In The Guardian, Gaby Hinsliff asks readers to forget the announcements on sugary drinks, or small business, and says the bit of the budget that mattered most was "the doom-laden stuff at the beginning about how the world economy may be about to go horribly wrong". She says the Chancellor is "unlikely to survive" a second recession in his job and he "sounded like a man outlining his legacy".
    The Chancellor is extremely unlikely to survive a second recession in his job, considering there hasn't even been a first recession in his job yet.

    Balls would disagree:
    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lta21gPm3U1qhy4uu.gif
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172

    Re sugar levy. Does anyone think there will be a differential price for Diet Coke and full sugar Coke. Cant see it myself. I reckon both will increase in price therefore having no impact.

    More money for the treasury?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited March 2016

    Re sugar levy. Does anyone think there will be a differential price for Diet Coke and full sugar Coke. Cant see it myself. I reckon both will increase in price therefore having no impact.

    Soft Drink prices are always on offers of some sort, so they will do it that way as well. But simple answer is no, and lets not forget that the price of a bottle of say 500ml coke has risen significantly over the past couple of years from ~£1 to £1.35+ and I doubt it has any impact on their sales.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    Galyle force storm in Mumbai, 11 Englishmen injured

    Not looking good is it? Gayle 97 from 43 balls!
    Can't we distract him with some pretty ladies?
    Too late for that strategy this time! A fine innings, unfortunately it was against England.
    We should have played Sarah Taylor behind the wicket, he would have been totally distracted with trying to chat her up.
    Ha, England Ladies might have done better against the Windies than the team of men we did put out!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    The BBC really do disgrace themselves on Budget days. They literally just swallow the government spin: there is barely a mention of the £4.2 BILLION in disability benefits cuts in their main story, just as last June they didn't mention the tax credit cuts and instead focussed on the minimum wage increase.
  • marke09 said:

    BBC PARLIAMENT
    BBC PARLIAMENT

    1966 General Election

    To mark the 50th anniversary, BBC Parliament gives viewers a chance to experience the 1966 General Election through this archive broadcast of the BBC’s original live election results coverage from Thursday 31 March 1966.

    Cliff Michelmore hosts the BBC’s 1966 General Election programme, with analysis of the results by election experts David Butler and Robert McKenzie, political commentary from the BBC’s parliamentary correspondent Ian Trethowan, and interviews by Robin Day.

    The election battle is between Prime Minister Harold Wilson’s Labour Party, which was attempting to improve on the parliamentary majority of just one seat it held at the time the election was called, and the Conservatives under the eight-month-old leadership of Edward Heath, with hopes of overturning Labour’s narrow majority.

    Live coverage of declarations and reaction to the results comes from across the country, including reports from Frank Bough in Wolverhampton, Magnus Magnusson in Glasgow, Raymond Baxter in Billericay, Michael Parkinson in Birmingham and Alan Wicker with the crowds watching the BBC’s coverage on a big screen in Trafalgar Square.

    In addition, Michael Aspel presents regular news summaries, Robert Robinson provides a review of the newspapers, and among the studio guests giving their response to the election campaign and results are the editor of the Spectator magazine Nigel Lawson and the US political commentator Theodore H White.

    Pictured: Harold Wilson

    Monday 28 March

    8.20-12 midnight

    BBC PARLIAMENT

    Great stuff. I am enough of a nerd to really enjoy these programmes so will put this one on record.

    Thanks.
    AndyJS of this parish had a load of them on his You Tube channel.

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Gaius said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

    Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

    I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

    From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.
    No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

    The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

    As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

    Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

    go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

    As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

    Trump is going to win by a landslide.

    What has Clinton got to offer?

    i) a warehouse full of skeletons and disasters
    ii) I've wanted to be POTUS all my life...
    iii) I'm familiar with the White House, 'cos I was there when Bill was...
    iv) I'm a woman, and there's never been one, so it must be MEEE...
    v) It should have been MEEE in 2008...

    Anything else?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Osborne's future depends on more than the EU Ref surely. The downgrades to economic forecasts today and the continued unbroken series of revisions upwards to the deficit numbers will do for him if the economy really does continue to drift worse.

    Only Jeremy Hunt gets more opprobrium on my facebook feed than Osborne!

    Facebook and Twitter are not the same as the British electorate.
  • FAO George or Dave

    It's not too late to ditch this stupid, confusing, complex and certain admin disaster that is the Annual Allowance taper which you've got kicking in from 6th April.

    Think back to Labour's legendary crock that was the Anti Forestalling rules you abolished & you've only gone and trumped them.

    Won't affect the masses but it is an horrendous mess for those who will be tripped up in the next few years.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Coke Zero never tasted as good.

    In my experience most overweight people already drink sugar free. Why waste calories on full sugar drinks. I reckon thin people are the full sugar drinks people.
    The fat people probably have diabetes (hence sugar free) while the thin people are still working on it!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    Re sugar levy. Does anyone think there will be a differential price for Diet Coke and full sugar Coke. Cant see it myself. I reckon both will increase in price therefore having no impact.

    Soft Drink prices are always on offers of some sort, so they will do it that way as well. But simple answer is no, and lets not forget that the price of a bottle of say 500ml coke has risen significantly over the past couple of years from ~£1 to £1.35+ and I doubt it has any impact on their sales.
    Agree but for it to work the price of Coke has to be higher than Coke Zero. Cant see a levy will have that affect
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 27m27 minutes ago
    Tory MPs unhappy about 3 elements of budget: sugar tax, disability cuts and (eurosceptics at EU role on) Tampon tax

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 25m25 minutes ago
    Of the three areas, I'm told (but cannot yet verify) that the disability changes (PIP) are causing most consternation
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Re sugar levy. Does anyone think there will be a differential price for Diet Coke and full sugar Coke. Cant see it myself. I reckon both will increase in price therefore having no impact.

    Soft Drink prices are always on offers of some sort, so they will do it that way as well. But simple answer is no, and lets not forget that the price of a bottle of say 500ml coke has risen significantly over the past couple of years from ~£1 to £1.35+ and I doubt it has any impact on their sales.
    Agree but for it to work the price of Coke has to be higher than Coke Zero. Cant see a levy will have that affect
    Or the price of Coke has to be higher than water and other non-sugary drinks not just the sugar free carbonated alternatives.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    RodCrosby said:

    Gaius said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

    Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

    I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

    From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.
    No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

    The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

    As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

    Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

    go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

    As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

    Trump is going to win by a landslide.

    What has Clinton got to offer?

    i) a warehouse full of skeletons and disasters
    ii) I've wanted to be POTUS all my life...
    iii) I'm familiar with the White House, 'cos I was there when Bill was...
    iv) I'm a woman, and there's never been one, so it must be MEEE...
    v) It should have been MEEE in 2008...

    Anything else?
    Not being an utter tool?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    Coke Zero never tasted as good.

    In my experience most overweight people already drink sugar free. Why waste calories on full sugar drinks. I reckon thin people are the full sugar drinks people.
    The fat people probably have diabetes (hence sugar free) while the thin people are still working on it!
    So it aint going to work.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554

    Re sugar levy. Does anyone think there will be a differential price for Diet Coke and full sugar Coke. Cant see it myself. I reckon both will increase in price therefore having no impact.

    Soft Drink prices are always on offers of some sort, so they will do it that way as well. But simple answer is no, and lets not forget that the price of a bottle of say 500ml coke has risen significantly over the past couple of years from ~£1 to £1.35+ and I doubt it has any impact on their sales.
    Agree but for it to work the price of Coke has to be higher than Coke Zero. Cant see a levy will have that affect
    As you say, the big drinks companies won't.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    DavidL said:

    It looks like a holding pattern budget to me. Some straws in the wind about future directions in some areas, but apart from noting that the government is adrift of its targets, not that much to get excited about.

    I agree. He has taken some remedial steps to address the drift but mostly he has let the damage lie.

    People accuse Osborne of being a very political Chancellor and in many ways he is but what I find surprising is that in both the last Parliament and the present one he is very relaxed about putting so much of the pain to the end of a Parliament and near the election. Most Chancellors try to get the unpleasant stuff out of the way early and cram some goodies towards the end but in the Coalition we even had the absurd position of him coming to the country with a tough budget that he then moderated quite considerably after he won. This is a second relatively pain free budget but the targets for later in the Parliament look heroic.

    My view, for what it is worth, is that whilst he clearly has a weakness for the political gesture he also genuinely tries to do his best. The reason the tougher years of cuts were postponed the last time was that he thought the economy was not strong enough to bear it. I think we have seen the same pattern in both the last 2 budgets. I think he is genuinely worried about the storm clouds he has described and he is taking his foot off the break again in response.

    So far, in macroeconomic terms at least, he has called this right.
    He's frontloaded extra borrowing in the penultimate year prior to the election in 2018/19 (up from c.4 billion to c.20 billion) so he can go into the 2020 election declaring a surplus.

    I think he has a tendency now to air what he thinks might be the controversial proposals early, to test the water, following his controversial omnishambles budget in 2012. He did it with the big cuts for this parliament prior to GE2015, the tax credit cuts and the pensions reforms.

    But he also can't resist the occasional gesture and rabbit.

    Much better than Labour but, personally, I'm not a fan as he's a tax complicator (as Robert says) tactically Brownian and he's a weathercock - far too concerned about both politics and his image.

    His reforming instincts only go as far as what he smells on the political winds.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,628
    Danny565 said:

    The BBC really do disgrace themselves on Budget days. They literally just swallow the government spin: there is barely a mention of the £4.2 BILLION in disability benefits cuts in their main story, just as last June they didn't mention the tax credit cuts and instead focussed on the minimum wage increase.

    The Chancellor said that there was an extra billion for the disabled, and that spending on the disabled had never been higher. I'm genuinely interested as to what these cuts are?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    While George announces his sugar tax gimmick the Germans announce an additional €264 billion on infrastructure improvements.

    Puts it all in perpective.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/infrastrukturpaket-der-bundesregierung-bis-2030-14128647.html
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    Freggles said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Gaius said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

    Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

    I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

    From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.
    No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

    The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

    As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

    Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

    go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

    As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

    Trump is going to win by a landslide.

    What has Clinton got to offer?

    i) a warehouse full of skeletons and disasters
    ii) I've wanted to be POTUS all my life...
    iii) I'm familiar with the White House, 'cos I was there when Bill was...
    iv) I'm a woman, and there's never been one, so it must be MEEE...
    v) It should have been MEEE in 2008...

    Anything else?
    Not being an utter tool?
    Basic understanding of policy topics?? The ability to not believe random paranoia stories??
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262
    DavidL said:

    Ignorant BBC/Guardian (from the BBC Budget 2016 Live webpage)

    In The Guardian, Gaby Hinsliff asks readers to forget the announcements on sugary drinks, or small business, and says the bit of the budget that mattered most was "the doom-laden stuff at the beginning about how the world economy may be about to go horribly wrong". She says the Chancellor is "unlikely to survive" a second recession in his job and he "sounded like a man outlining his legacy".
    The Chancellor is extremely unlikely to survive a second recession in his job, considering there hasn't even been a first recession in his job yet.
    Its just embarrassing isn't it? They should rely more on Laura Kuenssberg who has been an excellent addition to the BBC team.

    I must say, I find her rather smoking.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Sandpit said:

    Danny565 said:

    The BBC really do disgrace themselves on Budget days. They literally just swallow the government spin: there is barely a mention of the £4.2 BILLION in disability benefits cuts in their main story, just as last June they didn't mention the tax credit cuts and instead focussed on the minimum wage increase.

    The Chancellor said that there was an extra billion for the disabled, and that spending on the disabled had never been higher. I'm genuinely interested as to what these cuts are?
    Personal Independence Payments, they have revised the guidelines effectively limiting the expenditure on equipment and aids, so I understand.

    More people getting older, dying later, and therefore being more likely to become disabled is not George's doing, but the NHS.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768

    Re sugar levy. Does anyone think there will be a differential price for Diet Coke and full sugar Coke. Cant see it myself. I reckon both will increase in price therefore having no impact.

    Soft Drink prices are always on offers of some sort, so they will do it that way as well. But simple answer is no, and lets not forget that the price of a bottle of say 500ml coke has risen significantly over the past couple of years from ~£1 to £1.35+ and I doubt it has any impact on their sales.
    Agree but for it to work the price of Coke has to be higher than Coke Zero. Cant see a levy will have that affect
    When me and TSE go out for lunch not a calorie to be seen in the drinks we have. Thousands of Calories in the HandMade Burgers but hey you only live once and no fat tax on Burgers!!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    Osborne's future depends on more than the EU Ref surely. The downgrades to economic forecasts today and the continued unbroken series of revisions upwards to the deficit numbers will do for him if the economy really does continue to drift worse.

    Only Jeremy Hunt gets more opprobrium on my facebook feed than Osborne!

    I ignore all the shite on my Facebook feed.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Sandpit said:

    Danny565 said:

    The BBC really do disgrace themselves on Budget days. They literally just swallow the government spin: there is barely a mention of the £4.2 BILLION in disability benefits cuts in their main story, just as last June they didn't mention the tax credit cuts and instead focussed on the minimum wage increase.

    The Chancellor said that there was an extra billion for the disabled, and that spending on the disabled had never been higher. I'm genuinely interested as to what these cuts are?
    Again, this is another example of the media being mindless enough to just swallow his spin at face value. Just like a year ago when (for a couple of days) he got the media to focus on an increase in the minimum wage, and ignore the fact that tax credits would be cut by much more than the increased wage.

    Personal Independence Payments are being cut by £4.2bn in total.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172

    While George announces his sugar tax gimmick the Germans announce an additional €264 billion on infrastructure improvements.

    Puts it all in perpective.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/infrastrukturpaket-der-bundesregierung-bis-2030-14128647.html

    What's the UK's infrastructure budget for the next 15 years. Has to be pretty big, what with HS2.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Coke Zero never tasted as good.

    In my experience most overweight people already drink sugar free. Why waste calories on full sugar drinks. I reckon thin people are the full sugar drinks people.
    The fat people probably have diabetes (hence sugar free) while the thin people are still working on it!
    So it aint going to work.
    I don't think so. It seems to only be pop rather than other products. It would have to be eye-wateringly high to make an impact.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    you only live once and no fat tax on Burgers!!

    yet, citizen
  • GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    RodCrosby said:

    Gaius said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gaius said:

    This is pretty savage.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

    Trump is going to destroy Clinton.

    It's going to be a nasty, nasty campaign on both sides. There will be plenty more ads like that one.

    Trump will go very hard on Hillary and portray her as utterly corrupt. Hillary will play on the fears of Trump the man as being unfit and dangerous.

    I'd have thought that by November most Americans would wish they had a choice of someone else.

    From a purely betting perspective there has to be some value in Trump to win - unless he gets stitched up at the Convention.
    No, I don't think that will happen because you don't understand the psychology.

    The numerous scandals around the Clintons have been around for years with no result.

    As such Trump will merely allude to Clinton as being ill, and shrill anti-male. Trump appears presidental.

    Clinton can do one of two things, go easy on Trump in which case he wins by default, or

    go hard on Trump in which case he wins as she appears (mentally) ill, shrill and anti-male.

    As Clinton has never shown any ability at politics guess which one she will choose.

    Trump is going to win by a landslide.

    What has Clinton got to offer?

    i) a warehouse full of skeletons and disasters
    ii) I've wanted to be POTUS all my life...
    iii) I'm familiar with the White House, 'cos I was there when Bill was...
    iv) I'm a woman, and there's never been one, so it must be MEEE...
    v) It should have been MEEE in 2008...

    Anything else?
    Exactly, "vote for me I've got a vagina" immediately disregards half the voters.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Freggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    Danny565 said:

    The BBC really do disgrace themselves on Budget days. They literally just swallow the government spin: there is barely a mention of the £4.2 BILLION in disability benefits cuts in their main story, just as last June they didn't mention the tax credit cuts and instead focussed on the minimum wage increase.

    The Chancellor said that there was an extra billion for the disabled, and that spending on the disabled had never been higher. I'm genuinely interested as to what these cuts are?
    Personal Independence Payments, they have revised the guidelines effectively limiting the expenditure on equipment and aids, so I understand.
    And the irony (since the Tories are supposedly the party against unemployment) is that this will make it harder for certain people to work. One of the main points of PIP is to help people pay for things which their conditions might require for them to get anywhere (for example, adaptations to cars, etc.)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,714
    RobD said:

    While George announces his sugar tax gimmick the Germans announce an additional €264 billion on infrastructure improvements.

    Puts it all in perpective.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/infrastrukturpaket-der-bundesregierung-bis-2030-14128647.html

    What's the UK's infrastructure budget for the next 15 years. Has to be pretty big, what with HS2.
    IThat;s not Germany's budget, It;s the increase on the existing one.

    In the UK we annoince the same projects over again.

    Difference is the Germans will invest . it's one of the reasons their productivity is better.

    Meanwhile George postures on Happy Meals
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,768
    Danny565 said:

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 27m27 minutes ago
    Tory MPs unhappy about 3 elements of budget: sugar tax, disability cuts and (eurosceptics at EU role on) Tampon tax

    Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes 25m25 minutes ago
    Of the three areas, I'm told (but cannot yet verify) that the disability changes (PIP) are causing most consternation

    It really is disgraceful to fund Corporation Tax cuts etc on the back of some poor bugger who cannot use the toilet without an aid.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,262

    marke09 said:

    BBC PARLIAMENT
    BBC PARLIAMENT

    1966 General Election

    To mark the 50th anniversary, BBC Parliament gives viewers a chance to experience the 1966 General Election through this archive broadcast of the BBC’s original live election results coverage from Thursday 31 March 1966.

    Cliff Michelmore hosts the BBC’s 1966 General Election programme, with analysis of the results by election experts David Butler and Robert McKenzie, political commentary from the BBC’s parliamentary correspondent Ian Trethowan, and interviews by Robin Day.

    The election battle is between Prime Minister Harold Wilson’s Labour Party, which was attempting to improve on the parliamentary majority of just one seat it held at the time the election was called, and the Conservatives under the eight-month-old leadership of Edward Heath, with hopes of overturning Labour’s narrow majority.

    Live coverage of declarations and reaction to the results comes from across the country, including reports from Frank Bough in Wolverhampton, Magnus Magnusson in Glasgow, Raymond Baxter in Billericay, Michael Parkinson in Birmingham and Alan Wicker with the crowds watching the BBC’s coverage on a big screen in Trafalgar Square.

    In addition, Michael Aspel presents regular news summaries, Robert Robinson provides a review of the newspapers, and among the studio guests giving their response to the election campaign and results are the editor of the Spectator magazine Nigel Lawson and the US political commentator Theodore H White.

    Pictured: Harold Wilson

    Monday 28 March

    8.20-12 midnight

    BBC PARLIAMENT

    Great stuff. I am enough of a nerd to really enjoy these programmes so will put this one on record.

    Thanks.
    AndyJS of this parish had a load of them on his You Tube channel.

    Ah, thank you. Do you have a linky?
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